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LOST The Candidate · Sass N Sips

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, welcome to today's episode of Sass and Sips.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Lisa and I am sipping on red wine, but today it's Cabernet Sauvignon.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because not fancy.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm also still talking with like this stupid list.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: I hate the way it feels I hate the way it sounds, even as I hear it coming out of my mouth when I hear it in the editing.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's bothering me.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm sorry for who else it bothers.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm your co-host, Agnes, and I'm still drinking tea.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: A little mint tea.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: I suck.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Today's episode is season six, episode 14, The Candidate.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Give me the hot takes.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: So at the end, I was just like, okay, so that happened.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: And Lisa, I'm like, Lisa's gonna call me a cold-hearted ice princess.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm like, okay, that happened.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I forgot to warn you.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I because I'm like, this and and this is why I would not leave my kid.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because now what?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I was just my thoughts on leaving your kid was just proven right.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: So like okay, that happened.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, she was stuck, and he has zero relationship with the kid.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but I know it's his kid, I know.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: But no, no, but now they have no now.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: The kid has no one.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she has no because she has her grandparents.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Her grandma.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right, but you know what?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: The age difference.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, come on.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: She's gonna grow up without her parents.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: As opposed to not having her father, now she doesn't have either one of them.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: She got the dog.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I would not.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Lisa, would you leave your kids behind to go back and get your husband as a mother?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Let's move on.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: Let's move on.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Translation, I proved my point.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, and and to be fair, I hope he wouldn't either.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: But these are kids that we've spent, you know, up to 17 years with.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you might just intentionally, you might just sit and leave that.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm just saying that, you know, to put it all out there, he he lost her, then he found her, and and then it's like if they even get off this island to go home to somebody he's never even met, even though it is his biological kid.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: That might be his thought process.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: But she's three.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: My first initial thought, I think she should never have left.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: But since she did, if he sh I think if he would have gone and left her, he would have had from age three to the rest of their lives to build a relationship.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now she has no one.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: So she goes from three to the rest of her life, not having any parents.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying I disagree.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would say, which one's which one's worse?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't I some I I don't think anyone should have left.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just my person.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, okay, I knew that was gonna happen.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: You just proved my point as to why you should never get on that plane to be no good comes out of it.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine if I was actually into the show?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: All right, it would have been insane.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: But um that being said, it was touching that they went together.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like Titanic style.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: So who and yeah, very couple Said Jen, yes, and son, and did Frank die because the door pushed him back?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: Was Frank the pilot, right?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think he did.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: He came out and there was water trickling, and then the blue and the like the water, like the the water just pushed the door, and he's like I feel like it like blew back on him.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think didn't him and and Hurley get K'd out?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was just just Hurley.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley got out K'd out.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: I just saw Sawyer and Jack on the beach.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: But I like Frank.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think he should have said if he didn't make it, I think he should have.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Who's next to go?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's my only hot take.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: On the island, Jack wakes up from his nap in the Outrigger so that he didn't have to paddle, and they get to Hydra Island.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Said's like, hey, it's a little nap.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was just taking a nap.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was just, oh, you know, I'm a little tired now.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna just take a nap while we paddle.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Further inland, we see the other survivors, Sawyer, Hurley, Kate, Claire, etc., they're being led to the cages.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer's like, uh-uh.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Again.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like Ben here done that.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, thank you.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: But Timu Goonie is back and he's trying to get them in the cage.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Whidmore grabs Kate and is like, I'll kill her.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer tries to call his buff, but Whidmore reminds him of the numbers in the cake in the caves.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he reminds him of the numbers of the candidates, or the candidates' names, rather.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Kate is like, no, no, no, he's not gonna do it, but Sawyer gives up because he knows better.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: He says, even though you don't believe it, um, this is for your own good.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then says to his men, we gotta get that fence live, he's coming.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: On the beach, Said is explaining to Jack that Widmore attacked the group with mortars and Locke saved your life.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: He says the rest of the group has scattered into the jungle, so now it's just them three.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fake Lock arrives and announces that the others have been put in cages by Widmore and that they're going to rescue them.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Jack wants to know why he would capture them, and Fake Lock sarcastically replies that he would ask, but he doesn't think Widmore will talk to him.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: He says they're gonna break them out and then run for the plane and leave the island before Widmore knows what's up.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Jack says that he's not leaving the island.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Fake Lock hopes Jack will change his mind, but in the meantime, he needs Jack to help his help get his friends to trust him.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Fake Lock then reminds Jack that he can trust him because he could kill Jack and his friends at any time without any hesitation, but instead he has saved their lives.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: At the cages, Sawyer and Kate pace, and Kate says that Widmore wouldn't have killed her.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer explains to her about the numbers and the names and that Kate's name was crossed out.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Woodmore doesn't need her.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Jen is telling Son about seeing the pictures of their daughter, and Son gives him back his wedding ring that she had been saving.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, the lights go out and the smoke monster appears.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: It kills Whidmore's team, and even though Seamus, you know, doughboy, Timu Goonie, is thrown into the bars of the cage, Kate can't reach the keys, even though she could have just yanked him by the arm to pull him closer.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Chip.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was the kit, that was the son of Kate and Allie.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: So every time every time he's on the show, every time he sh whatever he pops up, I just call him Chip.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Chip.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Frank is trying to kick the cage door, but then Jack comes to save the day because he grabs the keys and frees them.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Kate's like, but what are you doing at the cages?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Jack points to the smoke and says, I'm with him.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: On the way back to the plane, Kate asks Jack whether he's coming with them now, and Jack says he'll help them, but he's not joining them because he is not meant to go.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Saeed then arrives and says they need to go because Loc is waiting.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Loc is at the plane, unfazed by all the guards, supposedly.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: The guards shoot at him, uh, but he's bulletproof, and he just one by one takes out all of the guards.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: He also steals a guy's watch.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I guess time time is very important on an island when you're a dead guy.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: He goes into the plane and he's examining the wiring that's leading to a pack of C4 explosives.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: When the rest of the survivors get there, they see the dead guys, and Locke comes out of the plane and says, I killed them, but Widmore knew I was gonna kill them because you know.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: He also says that Whidmore is the one who wanted them all together in the confined space so that he can kill them, and he shows them the C4.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Ooh, look what I found.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Locke says the new plan is to leave via the sub because they can't be sure the plane doesn't have any more booby traps.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hurley tries to remind everyone that Richard said that Fakelock is not meant to lead the island, but Sawyer cuts him off, pointing out that Richard's not here.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer then thanks Locke for twice saving them and says he was wrong about him.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Locke says the sub will be heavily defended and that they need everyone.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Jack's like, again, I'll help, but I'm not going.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Claire tries to apologize to Locke, but he's like, it's okay, I understand.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then Sawyer tells Jack, I don't actually trust him, but I just want to make sure he doesn't get on the sub.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: They arrive at the dock, there's no sign of anyone.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer lays out their plan that Loc and Jack will watch their backs and be the last to get on the dock.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer's son, Frank, Jin, and Hurley go first.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: No resistance.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: They get on the sub and easily overpower the crew.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer orders the captain to fire it up and Kate, Kate Kate, Claire, and Saeed follow on to the dock.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Locke gives Jack one of the backpacks and they follow.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: On the dock, Locke is Locke asks Jack to reconsider his decision not to leave, explaining that whoever told Jack to stay had no idea what he was talking about.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Jack is like John Locke told me I needed to stay.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then pushes Locke off the dock.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Kate Kate looks around, is like, uh, what just happened, and is shot in the shoulder by Whidmore's team who have a rind that arrived at the tree line.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Jack carries Kate onto the sub, Said follows, leaving Claire and Locke in a firefight.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Locke shoots three of Whidmore's guys, and Sawyer goes above to find to find Claire and Locke shooting.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Locke runs toward the sub, but Sawyer closes the hatch, leaving Locke and Claire outside.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: He uses the intercon to tell Frank to get the captain to dive.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Claire sees the sub leave, and as she runs to it, Loc is like, trust me, you don't want to be on that sub.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Kate is laying there injured, and she is kind of upset that they left Claire behind, and Jack asks Jen for his pack so that he could treat Kate's wound.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Only to find that there's not first aid, there's C4.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's on a timer.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: The timer has less than four minutes on it, and Jack realizes what's going on and tells him that uh you guys did exactly what Locke wanted.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Jack demands that they surface and tells Sawyer that Locke intended all along to be left behind at the dock.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Frank is like, well, it'll take five minutes to get to the surface.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: The timer nears three minutes and twenty seconds.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Said explains how to disarm it, but is not sure it will work.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer's about to pull the wires, but Jack stops him.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, listen, we can't die.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: So as long as we don't do anything, we're fine, and it's if we do something, we can kill each other, but he can't kill us.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jack asks Sawyer why Locke would use a timer and not just throw the bomb into the sub.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he says they'll have to be they'll be okay, and they just have to trust him.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer says, uh, sorry, and pulls the wires out.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: The timer stops at one minute and thirty-one seconds.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing happens at first, and then the timer's like racing down to zero.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Said says, listen carefully, there's a desmond in the well, and you have to get him.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then, when they want to know why you're telling him this, it's like you've never seen TV before.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Said says, because it's going to be you, Jack picks up the C4, runs down the passageway, and the bomb explodes in his hand.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Why didn't he shut the door behind him?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was going to- I thought I thought that's what he was going to do.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Throw it in, shut the door.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: But no.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like even Charlie knew better.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I guess they wouldn't they couldn't have that emotional ending.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: It would have been harder to kill people.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: If they were safe.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Water begins to flood the sub.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Frank gets hit with a bulkhead hatch.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Jack finds Kate underwater, passes her to Hurley, saying, Take her out.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: He gives him an emergency air cylinder.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hurley's like, uh, what about Saeed?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Jack is like, um, there is no Saeed, now go.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sun is pinned against the side of a chamber by a cabinet.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Jin, Sawyer, and Jack struggle to move the heavy cabinet, but when they do, Sun is still trapped by a bar.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: A metal bar falls and strikes Sawyer on the head, knocking him out.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: So now they lost some manpower.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Jack grabs him, but he still wants to help Jin free Sun.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Jin refuses the last emergency air and insists that he leave and save Sawyer.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Jack has one last look at Jin and Sun and swims out.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Jin continues to free her despite her pleas for him to go, but to no avail.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: He says he won't leave her, and he holds her hand.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: They embrace as water floods the sub.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: The sub sinks, and you see their hands drift apart.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Nagmus is like, and yes so.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: I knew you were gonna say that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Jack swims to the beach with Sawyer.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's nighttime again.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Did you notice it?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was weird, right?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like middle of the day tonight.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was like eight minutes from when they got on.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Until yes.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Until they and then the sun completely went down.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I understand that like there was some time after where they were down there, but my god, it couldn't have been hours.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, it wasn't.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, that's time to move differently on the island.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently so.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean if if the t if the island can move time and space, I don't see how why we still have the sun to change its its timing.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hurley and Kate go down the beach to meet them, and Kate asks about Jin and Sun, but Jack just shakes his head.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hurley and Kate cry while while Jack walks away to the sea and cries himself.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Locke, who is still at the pier, tells Claire that the sub has sunk.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Claire is shocked that they're all dead, but Locke says not all of them.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then takes his pack and his rifle and Claire's like, but where are you going?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: To finish what I started.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: In the flash sideways.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Just out of surgery, Locke is waking up from anesthesia with his surgeon creepily standing at his side.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like just staring at him.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Surgeons don't usually stand there and wait for you to wake up.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, they don't.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're lucky you see them doing the rounds.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: John recognizes Jack, who refreshes his memory about how they met after the flight from Sydney.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: He tells John about being hit by a car and that while he was operating, he found out that John might be a candidate for a new surgical treatment to repair his pre-existing paralysis.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Locks says no.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then Helen walks in and thanks Jack for saving him.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Next we see Jack enter a dental lab where oh look who's the only dentist we know?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, Lisa.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: You tell me.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Bernard Nadler is there working.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: He asks to see John Locke's patient file, explaining that he's a surgeon and he believes Locke was a client, and he's trying to find out more about the injury that caused the paralysis.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Nadler looks at Jack like and Bernard is like, um, oh, because Jack starts telling him about being on the flight and how it's weird, and and Bernard is like, yeah, you were sitting seated right across from me.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: You were flirting with my wife.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like pretty weird, huh?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: We were all on the same flight.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you're his dentist.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are the odds that you would be on any flight with your dentist?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Bernard says, look, I can't breach patient confidentiality, but here's the name who was also brought in with John Locke three years ago.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: The name he writes down is Anthony Cooper.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: So Jack goes to the Sun Palms nursing home to see Anthony Cooper.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: The nurse is like, uh, are you family?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like But Helen arrives and after some prodding by Jack, asks that he let it go, clarifying that John doesn't want the operation and that it should be enough that he saved John's life.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Jack says it's not enough.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: God complex.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And Helen lets him go see Anthony Cooper, who is in a vegetative state.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Helen reveals that he is John's father.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Back at the hospital, Jack, who is again at Locke's bedside.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Stalker.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Locke is still groggy from the surgery, and he's murmuring push the button and other phrases that we've heard before.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Claire arrives and Jack sees her and she says to Jack that the lawyer told her that her father especially wanted her to have this music box.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: She shows it to Jack, who says he doesn't know the meaning of it, and he didn't even know about her.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Claire asks how their father died.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Jack tells her he was found dead in an alley by a bar and in Sydney, and that's what he was doing.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then Claire reveals she was also on that flight.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: They open the music box and catch a falling star, please.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: He offers to let Claire come and stay at his apartment so she doesn't have to stay at the hotel.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he says she's like, Oh, you're a stranger, and he's like, Nope, we're family.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: If that was you, would you have stayed like at his place instead of the hotel?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, if I was clear at this moment in my life, why the fuck not?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: If that was me, no.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just no, Claire, at this point, fuck it.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Why the hell not?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: At this point, like I was held at gunpoint and the woman ended up helping me with like with my preterm labor.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why the hell not?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: This random guy said, Let me help you.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then the it's not random.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she knows that they're related.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: As far as not like you said, I mean they don't know each other, but like first you have the random chick held up at gunpoint, ends up helping her.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Then she had the random guy at the law, like she's like, Here, go see my lawyer friend.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like fucking heiress now.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: So fuck it, why not?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: In real life.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Falls to the wall.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think depending on how financially um off-putting a hotel would be for me, I might take him up on it.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, well, I know where you work, I know your name.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Technically, we're related.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I might take you up on it, but like if if if paying for a hotel wouldn't like cost me food for the next week, I might just be like, nah, I'm staying in a fucking hotel and ordering room service.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: I guess like right now, Lisa and Agnes are like, yeah, no.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: But the Claire, you're like, yeah, yeah, I can see.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: In the hall, Jack, Jack and Locke are in the hall.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying goodbye, and Locke thanks him.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Jack says that he went to see his father to understand why he doesn't want the surgery, and Locke is like, What the fuck did you go see my father?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't, but he should have.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Locke tells Jack about the accident that paralyzed him and put his father in a vegetative state.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was a plane crash.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: He had just qualified for his pilot's license and begs his father to be his first passenger.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Although his father was frightened of flying, Locke convinced him to come, telling his father he could trust him.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: He says he doesn't know what went wrong, but that he knows it was his fault.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Jack reminds him of their previous conversation at the airport where Loc helped him realize that his father was gone, and Jack is like, your father is gone now too.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Locke is like, A is not gone, but that punishing himself won't bring him back.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: He says, What happened, happened.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And Locke says, and and tells Loc that he can let it go.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not the pop calling the kettle.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: Black, I can say it, black.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I hate that expression, but alright.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because them at the time everything was cast iron and they were black.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But why would you be calling something black unless it was a bad thing?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's like it's like look in the mirror.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: The pot and the kettles were all cast iron.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but like have you never looked at a lot of our things like Yes.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And and and more times than not, when the insert whatever noun or whatever is in the phrase, the black, the dark is always a bad thing.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: But in this time, it just happened to be everything was cast iron, and they were both black.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: The pot and the kettle were actually black.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, like you call me black, but you're black too.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: We're both black, we're both black cast iron, as opposed to porcelain, which is white.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, never mind.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good night.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: I I'd like it to just be as simple as cast iron, but I feel like it's not.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's the basin calling the picture white.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna change it up.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the rice calling the cracker white.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Did you see that TikTok?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: It was some some video real.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know who's where it's on.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: And this chick, this lady is oh, it was God.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was a white person eating a cracker, like cannibalism.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a funny one.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all right.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Jack says it's not that easy to let go.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: We know Jack.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that he doesn't know how to let go either, and he hopes that Locke could go first.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I want you to do something that's really difficult because I think that it's good and you should do it.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: But also, I don't do it and it's hard, but like you should do it, and you should do it first.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's some very persuasive argument, I must say.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe if he had just said it like that, it might have been better.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: At least we've gotten the left.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're like, it was if it was one of us, we're like, it's a really bad idea.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then we're like, I'm in.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: What's the dress code?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Locke laughs like a little nervously and then is like, um, goodbye.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: As he wheels away, Jack calls after him.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can help you, John.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: I wish you believed me.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Locke pauses for a moment, like if somehow that's familiar, and then leaves.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of callbacks in this episode.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of callbacks the season.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's a season of callbacks.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I appreciate it.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a good way to end the series.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, right?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's really it's really brilliant because when especially when you're ending something that has had so many elements, then you do callbacks so that the people who are still watching are not like, what the hell was that?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't remember what that was about.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's frustrating.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm just I was just thinking about how even the beginning of the season feels like forever ago with the temple.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it was for feels like it was two seasons ago.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, that was like three episodes.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um so season six and season one is different, whereas each episode there's a lot going on.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: You mean more now or more in season two?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Both of them.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Both season one and season six both have each episode have a lot going on.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't feel like it's disconnected.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you know what I mean?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Season one was just like, what the fuck?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: Season six is a lot going on, but it's it's there's some continuity with it.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: But also, like, I guess maybe because there was so much that they they didn't want to leave everything, but that's why a lot of season one where you're like, ugh, and I'm like, it's a lot, but there's a lot of foundation because I feel like even though in this season we're getting a lot more in each episode in terms of callbacks, like we've gotten some throughout the years, and so like I feel like season one laid the groundwork for every little thread that that could be pulled, and they teased at it here and there, but now it's like really trying to kind of you make it sound like they had a plan.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're gonna throw it all out there, and whatever six six we could just pull from it.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: So no matter what we do, it's gonna work.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there was a lot of that too.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: As we threw everything out there, yeah, yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: I definitely think there was a lot of that too, but okay.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: They were um they weren't shrewd going on in our writer's room, and they're like, Yeah, that works too.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's like defamation.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: How many of you have?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've been saying this for the last six seasons.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: If they're going to if I was gonna be sued, listen, what do I have?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: I have uh what you want my purebred cat?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: My Siamese cat?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't got shit.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: I got debt.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: You want the debt?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: You can have the debt.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do trivia.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Trivia, yeah, trivia, yeah, trivia, yeah.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: In an interview a week after this episode, the producers claimed Jin had to make a quick decision regarding regarding his future.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is a quote.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: In last week's episode, why didn't Sun tell Jin to leave her so he could raise their daughter?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Damon Lindelof replied, That's a great question.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: And our only answer for it is that Sun only had about 30 seconds to process the fact that she was going to die.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Sun and Jin never had a relationship with their daughter.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sun had a relationship with her, but Jin did not.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: She was just a picture on a phone to him.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: In that moment, she did not tell Jin to leave her side.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Partially in that moment, maybe there was a part of her that wanted him to stay with her.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're not really willing to say why characters don't say certain things in certain moments.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: All we can say is she did not say that.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: We did not want that scene to be about their daughter, we wanted it to be about them reuniting.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sacrifice a child for the love story, I guess.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: In the season two finale, Michael is charged by the others to bring four survivors to them Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: In this episode, those are the four characters who survive survive the sub blast.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Also in the season two finale, another group of survivors make the plan with Jad to sail around the island on the Elizabeth to prepare for the ambush.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: The three characters on the sailboat were Sun, Jin, and Said.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the characters that died in the sub in this episode.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Coincidence?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is the first episode since the season four premiere, the beginning of the end, that all surviving main crash survivors from pilot part one who have returned or remained on the island have been together in the same place at the same time.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Question.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: What happened to Miles?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was he killed during the attack?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Miles, I think, if I remember correctly, I think is with Richard.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I don't I don't know for sure though.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he was killed.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: I saw him and then he wasn't there anymore, and I kind of forgot.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you this.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: We haven't seen what happened to him yet.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's still alive.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I lost him.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say that.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: I said we haven't seen what happened to him yet.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: So some of their, you know, one of the big things that they do is like the irony, the juxtaposition.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: In the main timeline, Anthony Cooper is a con man.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: In the sideways, he is now catatonic.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: In the original timeline, a plane crashed caused Locke to regain use of his legs, but in the flash sideways, it c a plane crash caused the loss.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And in the original timeline, Anthony Cooper is responsible for Locke's condition, but in the flash sideways, Locke is responsible for Anthony Cooper's condition.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: In the original timeline, Locke accidentally kills Boone when he ins when he insists he get aboard a plane.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: In the flash sideways, s sideways.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: In the flash sideways, Locke accidentally causes his father to go brain dead in his own plane.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the callbacks in this episode, I mean, aside from the cages.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: The cages have their own little recurring role, cages.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of I wish you had believed me, let it go, push the button.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got a lot of phrases, and then there's that whole dichotomy with Jack and Locke, where now it's Jack telling Locke, I wish you had believed me.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: On the island, Locke wants to kill Jack because he is a candidate.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: In the flash sidewise, Jack wants to save Locke because he is a candidate.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sawyer's group originally leaves Saeed out of their plan to get off the island, and then it's Said who sacrifices himself to save the very group that was planning to abandon him.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: When Saeed tells Jack about Desmond and says it's going to be you, what do you think he meant?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, first I just thought he said he said that because he's gonna be you to get Desmond.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently he knows something.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever Whidmore has in store for Desmond, I guess it's gonna be for Jack, maybe.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe he was being maybe it's the prophesies that he's next.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's death to die.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: In the music box that Christian left for Claire, Catch a Falling Star plays on it, and we've heard that before.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what she used to sing to Aaron on the island.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the man in black, as Locke, uses manipulation on the Lossies the same way that Ben used on Locke to ensure that Locke blew up the sub.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Alex explained it as he makes you think it's your idea, but it's his.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: And Locke replied, I will have to keep that in mind.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he did, and then he's like, and I'll use it to my own advantage.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Another little callback is at the vending machine, Jack gets an Apollo bar.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't tell what bar that was.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't say that.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a candy bar that like you see in the we've seen it in the hatch.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: We saw Kate get one when she was little.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: So is that the TV version uh is like the TV version of Hershey's bar?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: And every and every university and that takes place in New York is Hudson University.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Where the criminals get their degrees.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: But that is the end of this episode.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have anything else before we move on?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I do not.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: The next episode is called Across the Sea.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Somewhere beyond the sea.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Somewhere waiting for me.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Another song from Lost Season One.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: See?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: I paid attention.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: I paid attention.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was six sheets to the wind during season one.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're gonna have to wrap up this sickness so that we can get you drinking again.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fun even when I'm sober.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say you weren't.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just said we gotta get you drinking again.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, next but next week.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta find AIPA acceptable alcohol.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: There isn't any.
• 38:45
  unknown: No.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: Text us stuff.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Text us what you think Agnes should drink.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Text us that.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: And no brown liquor, please.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do brown.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, she doesn't do red wine or brown liquor.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: So don't text that.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Don't drink and drive.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: And undo do Stella Rosie.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's the only red one I drink.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Please don't do that.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: No drinking driving.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, drinking and driving.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: And until next time, I'm Lisa.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Agnes.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: And we're out of here.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: See you.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.