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Building Real Legacy · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Chatting With The Experts where
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  I speak with fantastic women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  Our title today is Reclaiming My Time: Legacy is Built Daily.
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  My guest says, "What do I have to leave as a legacy?" She says
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  this question should guide every decision and action of everyday life.
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  And so we're gonna explore how you can live in such a way as
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  to spend your time wisely and to invest it in legacy building.
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  My guest will join me in a minute, and she says she helps women reconnect with
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  the power that's already within them so that they can stop being overlooked
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  and start living with confidence, with clarity, and with presence.
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  She helps high-achieving women to rise boldly to their next level of
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  leadership, not by changing who they are, but by fully owning who they are.
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  And with that, I welcome Thelma Young to Chatting With The Experts
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  so that we can talk more about this.
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  Welcome, Thelma.
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  Hello, Paula
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  Oh my gosh.
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  What you're talking about is what we need to hear.
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  In fact, I had a conversation with a young man today about building legacy, and
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  only for us to meet to talk about that.
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  We talked about earlier offline that there is no coincidences
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  with God, so this is it.
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  Let's talk about this.
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  Let's talk about it.
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  All right.
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  First of all, thank you so much for having me on as a guest.
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  I really appreciate it, and like you said, there are no coincidences.
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  This was ordained long before either one of us knew each
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  other, so I appreciate that.
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  Absolutely.
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  I'd like to talk about time.
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  The Greeks have two words for time, chronos and kairos.
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  Sometimes the English language is just a little too vague, but if we look at
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  the Greek, chronos and kairos time.
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  Today, I have lived 22,215 days.
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  I'll let you mathematicians figure out what that means.
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  But that's chronos time.
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  Everybody gets the same amount of time when we think about chronos.
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  I think about the Broadway play, Rent, where they said, "565,600 minutes."
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  In five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred minutes.
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  How do you measure a year in the life?
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  We all get the same number of minutes.
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  We all get the same number of hours and the same number of days.
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  But kairos time, unlike chronos time, is not measured by the hours and the minutes.
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  Kairos time is the times that are those moments that you'll never forget.
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  I'll never forget the birth of my first child, my second child, my third child,
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  my fourth one, and I'll never forget waiting to hear them cry, and the moment
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  they cried was a kairos moment for me.
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  When I said, "I do" to my husband, that was a kairos moment for me.
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  Graduation days.
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  Unfortunately, the funerals that we all have to attend sometimes,
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  those are kairos moments.
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  Those are the moments that will live with us forever.
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  We may not count all 22,215 days.
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  Some of them just pass without any thought, but those kairos
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  moments, the moment I met you is a kairos moment for me.
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  I will never forget it.
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  Having this podcast interview is another kairos moment.
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  I won't ever forget it.
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  And in order to build legacy, we don't just need to count the chronos moments.
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  We need to hold dear to the kairos moments and be intentional about how they pass.
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  Wow.
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  Couldn't have said it better.
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  You could not have articulated that in a better way.
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  So what I'm hearing from you is that looking at time as a
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  return of an investment, like a ROI, and spending it wisely.
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  You know, when we talk about investments, we think about money.
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  Yes.
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  But time, the difference between time and money is that we never get it back.
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  Money we can invest, and when we invest it, we intend to get it
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  back, but time we can't get back.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  And I'm an accountant by trade, so looking at money is something
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  that I do on a daily basis.
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  But if you think about, ROI on your time, I like to use the acronym REAL.
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  Mm.
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  That is the real legacy in life.
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  And the R is for relationships invested wisely.
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  You know, there's a movement now where, people are being encouraged if someone
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  has ever hurt you to never be involved with that person again, boundary
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  them, especially your close family.
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  "Oh, my family's toxic.
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  My mom is toxic.
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  My dad is toxic." And if you sit back and you really think about
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  it, mom was toxic, but maybe the fact that she brought you here.
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  Is her kairos moment.
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  And maybe she did the best that she could.
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  And I'm in no way saying to be around people who continue to hurt you, but
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  what I'm saying is forgive and move on.
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  Because if you don't invest in the relationships, even if you aren't present
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  with that person, that forgiveness is an investment in that relationship
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  because you're not carrying that around.
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  And then when you have your children, you are able to pour into them clean love
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  because you're not carrying toxic things.
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  So when I look at the R and the relationship investment, pour into your
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  children, check up on your siblings, hug your husband, kiss your husband or your
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  spouse, those that are close to you.
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  Keep up with good friends, because that is real legacy.
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  These are the people that are gonna remember the times that you were
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  kind, that you made them smile, that you cried with them, those
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  kairos moments we talked about.
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  And the E is for being an example live your life daily like you would want to
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  have someone in your life like that.
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  Making those micro decisions every day, that will impact your legacy.
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  If someone cuts you off driving, and Lord knows I am the worst driving
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  patient person on Earth, but instead of holding onto that, be the example.
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  Let that go.
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  Maybe they're trying to get to the hospital and they're
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  just not focused right now.
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  Good thing I'm a defensive type driver.
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  Instead of carrying that around with you.
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  And then the A, authenticity.
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  Be your authentic self, because there's nothing worse than being
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  the imitation of someone else.
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  When you have a perfectly good self to be, authenticity will leave a
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  legacy with people, and they'll say, "You know that Thelma, one thing
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  about her is she is a real person.
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  She is not a copy of anyone.
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  She was her real self, and she told you about what she liked and what she
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  didn't like." We don't have to pretend to be anybody other than ourselves.
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  Pass that on.
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  And then the L is a legacy that compounds.
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  I am blessed enough to be a grandmother, and when I spend time with my
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  grandchildren, I see the compound legacy.
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  I can see their parents in them, those are my children, and then I
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  can see myself in them, in some of the things they like to do, some of
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  the, the ways that they imitate us.
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  That is compound legacy and if you're blessed enough to see it, it is wonderful.
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  I still get to work with my grandchildren in church.
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  I teach their class and some of them attend, you know, my class with me, and
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  I love watching them learn about, you know, the Bible stories and the things
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  that are important to us as a family.
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  I'm a woman of faith.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so I get excited when I see them learning things that I learned as a
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  child, and that I taught my children.
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  You know, the way that we value family.
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  My husband and I are very intentional about our marriage and our family.
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  And to see the cousins all care for each other and wanna be with each other is
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  just compound legacy, and that's the L.
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  R, relationships.
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  E, be an example daily.
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  A, be your authentic self and pass that down.
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  And then L, watch the legacy compound.
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  That's deep.
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  That's deep.
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  That's really deep.
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  I love it.
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  L- legacy compound, you know.
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  I had a guest on recently who talked about compound interest.
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  Mm. And now where we're talking about investment and compound,
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  that, it brings me back.
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  And of course you're an accountant, so.
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  the rule of 72 and, knowing that when we sow into something, and this
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  time it's sowing into lives, into our children if we have children, but into
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  family, because most of us have family.
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  Yeah.
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  It trickles down.
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  It's an investment.
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  It's not just for us, it's for the generations that come.
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  And you can't go wrong.
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  No.
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  And you talked about, you know, it's a legacy that builds, because you see it.
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  As you said, when you look at your grandchildren, you see what
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  you built into their parents.
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  And you see yourself, and your husband in your case.
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  Yes.
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  Ah.
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  That must make you feel proud.
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  It does.
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  Like I said, we were intentional.
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  But, through the years, I've been able to work with a lot of women and,
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  unfortunately, in this world, women don't always get the attention and recognition
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  for their brilliance that they deserve.
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  And so when I work with women, it just builds my heart and my legacy
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  to see them step up into their own.
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  You know, I have developed a 3D life leadership system, and over the years
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  I've deployed it, in small groups or individual coaching with women,
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  and it just brings me so much joy to see them step into their own.
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  It starts with knowing who you are.
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  Who were you designed to be?
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  Each one of us was created with care, and if we learn why, there's
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  a reason why I like to read, there's a reason why I like to journal.
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  That's part of who I am, and knowing that is important to me.
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  So I like to take assessments, you know, those, the free ones, not
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  the ones you have to pay for, but sometimes you do have to pay for them.
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  But there's plenty of them out there, and if, anybody would like that,
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  they can just email me and I can send them a group of free assessments.
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  So, you know, personality assessments and who are you leaning
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  towards in your natural state?
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  What do you naturally like to do?
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  They're all free, so, that's a good start.
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  And then your destined presence.
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  It's like, what am I supposed to do?
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  You know?
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  Well, who am I supposed to be?
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  Where am I supposed to go?
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  You know, we make tiny micro decisions every day that impact
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  our legacy and use our time.
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  So let's do it informed.
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  Let's know what we're destined to do.
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  Let's know that we are in the place that we need to be, and if not, we will pivot.
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  Yeah.
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  No harm, no foul.
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  Everything you learn is valuable.
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  Take it with you, but pivot, and don't be afraid of that.
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  And then determine, that's the third D, determined delivery.
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  Stand up.
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  Stand up straight.
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  Speak clearly.
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  Speak confidently.
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  You deserve the space that you take up.
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  Don't hide.
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  Don't get in the shadows.
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  I call myself a shine strategist.
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  Everybody has light within them.
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  They just need to learn how to turn it on and shine.
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  So I just love helping women learn to do that.
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  I love that framework, the three D leadership system.
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  Designed identity, destined presence, and determined, I wrote
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  it down, determined delivery.
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  Yes.
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  Oh.
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  Yes.
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  Did you come up with that?
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  I did.
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  Oh, I love it.
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  The three D. And it's so relevant to where we are right now in this world, you know?
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  Oh my gosh, yes.
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  Design, who are you?
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  The destined presence.
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  Who you're supposed to be?
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  Did I get that right?
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  Yes, who you're supposed to be.
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  Your image and your impact.
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  Your image and your impact.
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  Yes.
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  And I love the, you give the, us, I'm gonna include myself because I'm a woman.
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  You're given permission to pivot because sometimes where you're going and you
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  realize, "Okay, I need to branch.
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  I need, there's a diversion somewhere." Not saying, "Well, I'm supposed to
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  go down this way and this is the only way," because sometimes things change.
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  There's a bump in the way, in the road.
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  There's construction, so you've got to…
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  Yes.
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  You have to make that detour, a little detour.
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  There's a detour.
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  I love it.
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  You know?
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  I love it.
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  Yeah, making the detour is okay.
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  I love it.
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  As a matter of fact, I can tell, I always, ever since I was a little girl,
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  I wanted to be on the Supreme Court.
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  Oh, I loved a good debate.
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  I loved standing up for what's right.
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  And so as a little girl, I decided I was going to be the first
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  Black woman on the Supreme Court.
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  Oh, I love it.
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  I'm very proud that Ketanji is, but it was gonna be me.
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  Yeah.
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  But things changed.
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  Went in the Army.
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  I met my husband, started a family.
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  Pivot, you know?
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  So I did that and I like to think I did it well.
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  And so I did something in my 50s.
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  I applied and went to law school.
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  I didn't know that.
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  You didn't tell me that before we went live.
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  I did.
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  I went to law school, but I got sick.
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  Oh.
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  And anyone that's ever been to law school knows they are very unforgiving
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  when it comes to missing time.
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  And so I had to miss some days, and my grades suffered for it because
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  you're deducted and, you know, and it's very hard and, that sort of thing.
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  And so I was dismissed from law school.
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  Oh, no.
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  Yep.
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  And I have never been dismissed from anything academic.
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  And so I said, "Okay, this has happened." I'm praying.
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  I'm wondering what is going on.
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  I got in.
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  It was such a struggle.
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  I've been working so hard, and I am not starting over in this thing.
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  So that was one of the biggest pivots of my life.
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  So I came home, I packed up my books, I took them to the school, I donated
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  them to anyone who needed them.
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  I came home and that, after that weekend, I applied to go to graduate
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  school and I got an MBA two years later.
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  Okay.
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  Graduated with a 4.0.
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  You talk about a pivot.
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  I could have just wallowed in it and felt sorry for myself, 'cause
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  that was a huge dream that I had.
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  But it wasn't right.
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  it just didn't work out.
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  So I pivoted, and I am still just living kairos moments day by day.
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  I will never forget the dean telling me, "Yeah, we're going to have to dismiss
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  you," and how I felt in that moment.
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  But we've all been dismissed from rooms.
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  Oh, yes.
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  We've all had that happen.
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  Just pivot, regroup, and do the next thing.
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  And you know what, Thelma?
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  That experience, and you're talking about it like that, I know has helped
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  and is going to help other women.
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  Because sometimes women need to know that your detour is not the end.
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  Your detour is so that you can sometimes along that way appreciate
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  the scenery as you go past- Yes
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  along the detour.
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  And then you get to the next scene and you're like, "All right." So that
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  MBA, I'm sure there were people there you met, and the things that you do
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  now because you have an MBA, you're able to look at life differently.
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  You're able to approach things in business things and, you know, where you
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  work differently just because of that.
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  And even the law school, that incomplete dream, that experience
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  in itself has enabled you possibly to even come up with this framework,
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  this 3D life leadership system, where you can tell women now that… you
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  know, who you are does not change.
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  Circumstances may change, but who you are doesn't change.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  The detour is not a death sentence, just like you said.
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  Thank you.
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  And I love how you said, "Enjoy the scenery."
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  I love that.
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  I'm gonna have to borrow that.
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  You can.
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  I'm gonna give you credit for it now.
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  Please do.
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  I may not remember when I'm using it, but I'm gonna give… I love that.
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  Enjoy the scenery on the detour.
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  And I did, and I got a wonderful education.
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  I met some beautiful people that I would not have met, when I was in law school.
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  And now I know an entire graduating class of lawyers.
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  That's right
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  … if I ever need one.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I also know how the law works.
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  Hey, look at that.
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  So that takes a fear of that away.
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  I know how to go find case law and look at the briefs and find the holding of
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  the judges and all those sorts of things because I learnt it while I was there.
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  And like I said, I now know an entire graduating class of
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  attorneys if I ever need one.
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  If you ever need one.
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  I know them personally.
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  And along the way to my MBA, I met some wonderful people and,
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  you know, some lifelong friends.
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  So you use it all.
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  It all becomes a part of who you are.
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  It all becomes a part of your legacy.
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  You can reclaim everything that you think you've lost.
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  You can reclaim it.
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  When Maxine said that in the Senate, when Congresswoman Maxine said that in
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  the hearing, forgive me, when she said, "I'm reclaiming my time. I'm reclaiming
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  my time," that stuck with me because we might look at it as a loss, but it's not.
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  You just reclaim it and turn it to your good.
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  Make it good.
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  Tell everybody about the experience.
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  You know, you're gonna encourage somebody else someday, and your family needs
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  to see you be able to handle failure.
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  Talk about that
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  Yeah.
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  We don't like to let people see us get dismissed or have to pivot or be wrong.
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  That's a gift.
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  When you can admit those things and when you can plow through it and keep climbing
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  and keep going, that is a witness.
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  That is allowing someone to know, "Oh my gosh, I can do the same
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  thing and not be a failure."
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  Yeah.
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  It's one thing to fail, but you are not a failure.
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  Take that coat off and put another one on because that does, that's not you.
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  That is not who you are.
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  Absolutely.
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  You are still the same person.
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  Same person, just having another opportunity to try…
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  Yeah
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  … something else in a different way.
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  And reclaim it.
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  Okay, so that was two years of my life in law school, but I didn't lose it.
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  It's still with me.
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  Yes.
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  It's still part of who I am.
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  And I'm still okay.
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  And that's the main thing.
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  You are still okay, and I love the fact that you said that, your friends or
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  you're acquainted with a lot of lawyers now, a graduated class of lawyers.
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  Yes.
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  You understand now how the law works.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Something you would not have had an opportunity to have if you
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  hadn't gone to law school, even though you didn't complete it,
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  but at least you know about it.
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  I do.
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  I do.
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  … it was a good failure.
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  As one of my guests said, "FAIL is an acronym for First Attempt In Learning."
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  Ah, I love it.
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  I love it.
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  First attempt.
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  I've held onto that since you told me that.
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  First Attempt In Learning.
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  FAIL.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  I just, when I think about reclaiming my time, you know,
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  my childhood was a little bumpy.
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  Some things I wish didn't happen, and maybe another time we'll talk about that.
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  But when I was blessed to have children, I was able to reclaim whatever time I
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  thought I lost as a child, and see it through their eyes, and live it with them.
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  So I got to be silly.
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  I got to roll around on the floor and play with babies and I got to go to
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  the school events, and I got to go to the playground with my children.
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  You know, all those things that maybe I don't quite remember in my
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  childhood, or the yucky parts, you know?
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  But I got to redo it with my children.
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  I got to reclaim that time and turn the chronos into kairos.
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  And certainly now with my grandchildren-
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  Oh
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  … We are having the time of our lives.
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  Look.
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  I have no responsibility for them.
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  I can sugar 'em up.
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  I can bring 'em back home dirty, tired.
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  I hear that.
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  Late.
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  I mean, I don't have to get them up for school the next day.
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  I have heard that as some of the pluses of grandparenthood.
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  And I saw it with my parents.
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  The things that they never allowed us to do.
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  Yeah.
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  I was shocked.
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  Like, "Huh? Mom?" She's like, " I was young then.
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  Now let the children be." I'm like, "Let the children be?
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  You didn't let us be." She said, "That was you."
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  Wow.
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  My children do the same thing.
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  They're like, "Who are you?"
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  I know.
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  I know.
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  They're like, "Oh, it's okay." I'm like, "Oh, they'll be fine."
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  And I guess in some ways, that is the legacy.
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  That is the wisdom that has come along with aging, or with maturity
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  or with being seasoned now.
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  You've learned that- Yeah … some things really didn't matter.
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  No.
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  Not as much as I thought they did.
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  Oh.
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  And we have a ball.
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  We do.
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  Family is everything.
• 25:11
  Yeah.
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  I agree.
• 25:12
  I agree.
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  I love family.
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  I love, love, love family.
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  I really do.
• 25:19
  Oh,
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  I do.
• 25:19
  I say it all the time.
• 25:21
  So let's end with this.
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  You mentioned that generational wealth is legacy.
• 25:27
  Can you expand on that before we close out here?
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  Sure.
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  It's not about property and money, passing on generational wealth.
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  Certainly, that's a good thing.
• 25:39
  Mm-hmm.
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  It's not a bad thing.
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  But I think more importantly, it is passing on generational kairos time.
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  I love that.
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  When we gather at a funeral, and after, you know, at the repass or- Mm … when
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  we're all talking, you know, after all the funerals have happened, I rarely
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  hear anybody talking about how much money went into the grave with the person.
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  Oh.
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  Or what the inheritance is going to be.
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  I'm sure some families are more concerned with that, but none
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  of the ones I've been around.
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  We start talking about, "Oh, do you remember when Aunt So-and-So let us do
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  so-and-so? You remember when Mama just let us stay up all night and eat popcorn
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  and lay out on a blanket and watch movies all night long, and called it our
• 26:35
  move-a-thon, movie-a-thon, or whatever?"
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  Or, "You remember how Mama used to curl our hair?" Or, "Do you remember how Daddy
• 26:43
  used to take us fishing?" Um, "Do you remember how Daddy used to drive on the
• 26:48
  long road trips?" I don't hear anybody at those times talking about, "Well, how
• 26:56
  much money did they leave in the bank?
• 26:58
  How much property do we have?"
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  Certainly, you have to deal with the estate.
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  I'm not being unrealistic.
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  But that's not what brings the smiles during those times.
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  That's not what brings hope, and that is certainly not what
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  puts joy into those moments.
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  It is all kairos.
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  It is all kairos legacy.
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  It's all those moments that took your breath away that people talk about.
• 27:24
  Yeah.
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  And that is why you have more than 30 years of executive leadership experiences.
• 27:35
  We didn't talk about you being a coach and, an ordained minister
• 27:40
  as well as a US Army veteran.
• 27:45
  Yes.
• 27:46
  Yes.
• 27:47
  And those are all part of the things that we see being
• 27:50
  wrapped up in this conversation.
• 27:52
  Yeah.
• 27:52
  The generational wealth, you say at funerals we don't talk about
• 27:57
  the money and the inheritance, we talk about the memories.
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  I got you.
• 28:01
  That's part of the wisdom that you've brought today.
• 28:05
  Yes.
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  So invest in those.
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  Leave a lot of memories.
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  Leave a lot of memories.
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  That is generational wealth.
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  Tell the stories.
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  Help them remember who they are and where they come from.
• 28:24
  Yeah.
• 28:25
  I took an Ancestry DNA test so that I could learn what part
• 28:30
  of Africa did my family touch.
• 28:33
  Yeah.
• 28:33
  And I was so proud to learn You know, I was so proud to learn that I have a spot-
• 28:41
  Mm-hmm
• 28:41
  on the other side of the world
• 28:43
  … where my maternal people originate.
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  It made me feel just concrete, solidified.
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  it just did something for me.
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  Tell those stories.
• 28:53
  Leave those stories.
• 28:54
  That's wealth.
• 28:56
  That's wealth.
• 28:57
  And you know, what I'll leave with you, Thelma?
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  Record all of that, because I think those are the memories to… I hear my
• 29:06
  children saying that, "I wish we had more verbal records from our grandparents and
• 29:13
  great-grandparents," 'cause those are the things sometimes they wanna hold onto
• 29:17
  and listen to so that they can see where.
• 29:21
  They know where they came from, but just to hear it sometimes
• 29:25
  over and over, that seals it.
• 29:28
  It does.
• 29:29
  Thank you so much.
• 29:31
  Absolutely.
• 29:33
  So for those listening to this or viewing this on YouTube, if they'd
• 29:37
  like to get in touch with you, Thelma, how can they find you?
• 29:42
  They can find me, send an email, thelma@coachthelmayoung.com.
• 29:49
  Okay.
• 29:49
  That's thelma@coachthelmayoung.com, and I will certainly reply back and send those
• 29:58
  resources that I talked about earlier.
• 30:00
  And, at that time, I'll give you all my other contact information
• 30:05
  and links at that time.
• 30:07
  But I am on Facebook, Instagram, Thelma Hall Young, and YouTube and LinkedIn,
• 30:15
  Thelma Young, Coach Thelma Young.
• 30:18
  I'll drop all of that in the chat and we…
• 30:20
  yeah
• 30:20
  … definitely put that on our website.
• 30:23
  Thank you.
• 30:24
  Sure.
• 30:25
  Sure.
• 30:25
  And for those of you listening to this or viewing this on our YouTube channel,
• 30:30
  if you'd like to get in touch with me, please reach out to me on my website,
• 30:34
  which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
• 30:37
  I am also on LinkedIn, and my business page there is Chatting With the Experts.
• 30:44
  You can reach out to me on Instagram.
• 30:46
  My handle there is @chat_experts_podcast.
• 30:51
  And please subscribe to my YouTube channel, where you will see this episode.
• 30:58
  Yay.
• 30:58
  And connect with Thelma Young there, and listen to all the other inspiring
• 31:04
  women, women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and then the diaspora who
• 31:09
  have so much expertise to share with you.
• 31:13
  Stories, not stories, but really the expertise that will encourage,
• 31:18
  educate and empower you in ways way beyond that you can imagine.
• 31:24
  And now we're gonna open up the floor to those who have joined us so that they
• 31:28
  have a chance to speak with Thelma Young.
• 31:31
  Thank you so much, Thelma, for being…
• 31:34
  Thank you.
• 31:34
  Such an amazing person and sharing with us the legacy that stays with us.
• 31:39
  Thank you.