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EP163 - The Jackal · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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The Goal. Hello everybody, and welcome to Planet Bruce. I'm your host
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Alex and I'm Lenko. Nice to media. What movie are we doing today,
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dude, we're doing in nineteen ninety seven, The Jackals. It's a
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jackal. It's a jackal, It's jack wh Do you remember that I remember
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really really liking this movie when I was a kid. I was right,
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I was right to like. It's the kind of movie that makes you feel
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kind of smart for watching it as a kid, you're watching an adult.
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But watching it as an adult, it's like, oh my god, the
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technology is so silly, not just so silly, but also it's weird that
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this I gotta say, this was Bruce. So many wigs, not just
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wigs, but wigs. Dude, I couldn't wait for wig reveal, Bruce.
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It was my favorite part of the movie. This movie, guys,
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kind of amazing, kind of is amazing. It really is kind of Sure,
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sure you don't like Richard Richard, there's some generable scared onsetto but also,
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what did you think of Richard Garr's accent? It was awful? It
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was awful. It was awful. Accent. My accent is better. My
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accent is hands down my accent. Like when I'm trying to do it Irish
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accent, I'm not good. I won't see that I'm good. It's not
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real and people can tell that I'm doing a little bit of a thing.
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Yeah, but but you know, and I can do it better than that.
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But but but I was better than Richard Garret, than Richard Gere and
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the Jackal couldn't quite get to grips with the Northern Irish accent. And listening
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to the Blind Vibe podcast, what I did the impressionally you really it's funny
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because also this is it seems like a caricature. Even at that point,
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you know, it's like where her lackey charms, WHI aren't blocky charms getting
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me out of prison after I've been part of the IRA and a terrorist group
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in America for some reason. Oh man, the IRA stuff was cool.
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He's cool, he's bad ass. Yeah he was, And I'm glad they
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kind of side. The movie sides with him a little bit. The movie
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a little bit sides with him. Okay, so we got to talk.
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Can you can you please because this movie is gonna be hard to talk about,
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can you please give a boner show style synopsis so that we can talk
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about the details because so many things happen. It's one of those many things
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happened movies. Yeah, totally. It goes in. It goes in pretty
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intensely right from the beginning, having like German people and like it's a multi
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multi ethnic, multi national cast like Russians. Russians are the enemy with they
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try to do like international intrigue with Russia, but like now they're trying to
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clean up the like crime in Russia. That's where it starts. Anyway,
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It's sorry, that was outrageous. Okay. It looks like like why is
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the FBI there? They're only for like federal problems. Yeah, it makes
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not the CIA and imprisoned Ira. A fighter is freed to help stop a
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brutal, seemingly faceless quote unquote assassin from completing his next job. That's them.
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Can I ask you a question, dude, because that synopsis doesn't mention
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Bruce Willis. Can I ask you a question, dude, who's the make
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character? Because it's because it could be both of them, and I think
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it's a little bit more Bruce Willis. It is. We get like intimate
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moments with Bruce Willis whenever we only get intimate moments between Richard Gere and a
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lot of other people. Yeah, but like also the those are supposed to
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be the real intimate moments because you can only get intimate moments when there's women
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around and you're in love with them or trying to save well, he's got
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to save the women. Yeah, of course Valentine all his women. Yeah,
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totally, he is failing all of his women, and these wigs are
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all failing Bruce Willis. But but it's interesting because the movie is not good.
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It's just not good a good movie. But it's such an interesting movie
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because it has so much potential to be intriguing in the way that it wants
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to be. But it's so flat. It's like everybody's so undimensional and like
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they're leaning so hard on the gravitas of all of these actors, Bruce Willis,
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Sidney Pottier, like these are all like, hey, wasn't just cast
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as an end credit even though he could have totally phoned this into Yeah,
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like he really delivers. He's so good in the movie. This, he's
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got this like, like you watch him, he does the crazy eyes,
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dude, he does the Bruce crazy. He well he's just got yeah,
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you know, and it's just like he walks into a room and you're like,
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oh, okay, that guy is is like a lead totally, you
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know. Yeah, because also he was like a main character, yeah,
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totally. And also Jack Black a secondary lead in this seriod. His arm
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blow man, jabe, He's come on, dude, what are we doing?
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What are we doing? He plays this kind of guy, and he's
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a little bit of al with Bruce thinks he can play some games. It's
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interesting that Jack Black went into every audition serving that and everyone was like,
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yeah, that's exactly what we need, we need exactly. So he like
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defined an archetype almost like a whole generation about but molded like definitely morphed out
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of that. He stopped being a little bit too stopping this too much.
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Yeah, well, like I mean this that guy is like he played like
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such a quintessential dick in in like like certain kinds of movies, but it
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never defined him totally. I mean we always used to think he was fulishing
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more hub So who who I would more in real life think is a dick
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than Jack Black and a heroin addicts as well? Well, yeah, don't
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cut that out. I mean, I definitely shore show my disgust. I'm
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gonna just be more honest with my reaction and then we don't need to cut
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things because I mean really, I mean, dude, you would laugh at
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it if you were not I feed, I would still groan. I would
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just more obviously laugh. But but yeah, like this movie is it's kind
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of amazing, dude, Like it is kind I was really excited to talk
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to you about it. Like I didn't always love my experience of watching it,
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but I was committed to the end. Yeah, Like the thing the
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ultimately the problem with the movie is that parts of it are really boring.
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Yeah, there are a long, long parts and that's what I mean about
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the like filmmaking of it. It's just like kind of flat, but there's
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okay, but there's so many good parts. Though, can we talk?
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Can we talk about it? And like, can you guide us through this
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movie? I mean it's gonna be hard, Like right at the beginning,
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it's Valentina and Sidney pot it makes her so unattractive, but it's just absolutely
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gorgeous and as have latex like like pain, yeah totally. Yeah, and
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you know, for some reason the FBI is in Russia murdering people. The
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FBI is in Russia murdering people, and like it's like everyone's a gas that
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rightfully so a gas that Americans are there for no reason trying to arrest the
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guy. And like the movie starts off with all of this like communist stuff.
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It kind of like takes us through like a history of the Cold War
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in like plateaus and then like and then like the movie isn't really about communism.
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It just has Russians in it. Yeah, and they're friends with the
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Americans. Yeah, they're friends with the Americans. What the actual plot is
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is that there's it's a joint operation between the np FBI and the Moscow equivalent
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of that to shut down on Azabrajan mafia leader Terek marud Right. And then
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in retaliation to that incident, they hire the Jackal who's played by Bruce Willis.
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By the way, I'm reading the South Wikipedia, like you do not
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get that from the movie. That made it makes the movie makes so much
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more sense when you know, like the kind of paper on paper, what's
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happening. But because the movie itself is so muddled, like you know,
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me, I think the problem because who directed this. It's a guy named
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Michael Katon Jones's who directed. He's a Scottish director. That was a terrible
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Scottish accent. Uh. Doc Hollywood is probably the closest thing. That's with
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Michael Fox. Ohar in that City by the sea you might have you might
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know what that is. That's with de Niro and Francis mcdormand's. Oh yeah,
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yeah, yeah, the like drama den Ero. Yeah, the set.
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He directed the second Basic Instinct movie, So basically movies exactly like this.
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Yeah. Well yeah, so the the plot was just like it was
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very convoluted, like who was at what time on whose team. It was
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a lot of different conflicts too. Yeah, like it brought in the IRA
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It had like the Irish British thing in the background because this guy that was
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still going on the war was still going on at this time. Yeah wait,
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yeah it was. The treaty was signed in ninety eight, Okay,
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okay, the Good Friday and like I think that or the peace Agreement,
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and like the fact that they included that was interesting, but like why not
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get an Irish guy? Maybe it was too political at the time. I
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don't know who what Irish guy, would you get it's color many? Yeah,
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I've got a car. How did you guess it's it's loosely based on
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the Day of the Jackal, which is like based on the same I think
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the same novel was this, How did you guess? I think they're just
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trying to update it in a way that kind of made it seem like,
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what are the politics of this? Like where the details don't actually make sense
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and they don't line up because of the fact that it's different policy, and
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now they don't line up even more because we're so far removed totally. I
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felt like it's like it's like, wait, what's happening? What's this supposed
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to be? Because at this point this is very contemporary and for us,
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it's like it's for us. Yeah, for us, it's like this doesn't
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hold up. Maybe, yeah, it just kind of doesn't hold up.
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Yeah, so you know what it means? Yeah, totally. So what
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happens like the Bruce Wait, so who gets the call? Who gets the
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call to kill the CIA director or the FBI director? Bruce Willis? But
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no, who's the guy who like the Russian guy who comes he oh,
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he's the guy who's brother gets killed? That guy's brother gets killed, so
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he hires the jackal Bruce Willis to write assassinate the director of the FBI.
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Well he's unidentified, quote unquote, and Bruce Willis, because it's gonna bring
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so much heat on him, he asks for seventy million dollars, which,
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yeah, it was reasonable, a reasonable ask for like that, because and
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the guy laughs at his request and he's like whatever, yeah, sure,
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Muddy has no object. But we're all the ark's here. I mean,
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what what was this? I don't know what it was supposed to be,
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right, because he's like this because he is he kills a guy in cold
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blood. He's like, I love that man like a brother. He does
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the Christmas Watkins speech, will actually leak of time. Well that's that's also
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just directly ripped out of untouchable diploma. Yeah, when the when the Russian
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guy is like, oh I killed this guy, he was like my brother,
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but I just killed right, Yeah he was so so there was like,
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yeah, I love that kind of framing though, it's like, no,
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that was somebody I love. I loved him, yeah totally. And
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then later on he meets with Bruce Willis, and Bruce Willis is watching a
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hyena on screen, and I guess that's supposed to be, Like He's like,
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it's supposed to be like hunting, I go hunting, hunting, hunting.
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I'm going hunting some chick, some chick. It sounds like a slur.
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It sounds like he's saying it sounds like a slur. And then we
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get introduced to like City Potier Proper with Valentina aka Burnt Face Man, and
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she's like explaining everything about like the like Russian like mafia stuff. Can I
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say, like just because she's kind of later on becomes a pseudo replacement love
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interests or temporary stand in love interest for Richard Gear, Yeah, totally.
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And like they forced this like plot that they fell in love, which is
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actually so unbelievable. It's so unbelievable in the movie, but like it's like
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like in the movie unbelievable. Yeah, it doesn't really pay off in any
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real way other than the fact that they use die Yeah totally. And then
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Bruce Willis goes on a multitude of adventures to like get different passports and wear
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different wigs and yeah, and pays this hot lady to give him like new
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passports and he gives her five hundred dollars instead of the three h Yeah,
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totally, and she's like, oh thanks. She was so sexual she was
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so attracted to the extra money. Totally totally. That was the direction.
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It's like, now be sexually attracted to the extra money you just got.
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Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And then like Bruce Billis goes to a like a
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bang and it's like, yeah, this other guy, this other guy.
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He kind of did a little bit wacky different impressions Bruce in this, but
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as as this character, I always felt like he was still his character.
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He totally was. He like he was like really dead eyed, he was
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really committed to this, Like it's amazing, Bruce, amazing actually, like
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he he played dead eyed and then all of some played that gay dude,
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Oh my god, and it was just like like attracted to that guy,
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made out with him with such passion and it was started. It was just
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like dead eyed Bruce again. He did that. He was actually like in
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the movie Spectacular, he was actually amazing. Like when he's talking to Siri
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and and building the gun on the Dark Web, he's telling jut GBT on
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the Dark Web out how to build a gun, how to make a gun.
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Yeah, and it's like cost will be two hundred thousand American dollars.
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But who is there they three D print to get Yeah, they were three
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D print Again, it's got some is being delivered delivered on the dark web.
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And Sidy Potier being quietly both disappointed in everything and like glaring. He
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just glared through this entire movie. And like, I mean, of course,
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dude, like who basically just pioneered all of black cinema, Like,
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of course you're gonna glare. Of course you're gonna be a guy who's gravitas
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and serious throughout your just entire career. I mean that's the things like you
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have to be. Yeah, totally. And also Jacob fat j K.
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Simmons was, oh my god, dude, like not jacked the best Deny
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mole run in this movie because I don't know that he had a name.
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He was a main character and he showed up throughout the whole movie. But
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yeah, again would dude, this movie has so many but like okay,
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like he he kind of like he looked old here, Yeah he looked older
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than he does now. Yeah, weirdly act dude. Now he's like he
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just like seventy in the seventies. Yeah, how old was he? Here?
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Was he his thirties forties? I think because I think he's older than
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thought the man, because I was just like, oh, he's younger than
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thought that. He's five years younger than that. But thought that looked looked
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like so bvy when he was this kind of age too. He's four like
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in his forties. Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes sense, that
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makes sense. But like and then and then Bruce is like doing like he's
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shirtless in the scene washing the car. I love trying the van. Yeah,
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timing the like how much he can change the color of the card a
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couple of seconds. And dude, all of the massive attack and massive attacks
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style music in this movie very much. Yeah, the new metal music,
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dude, dude, I loved it so much. It was it's not new,
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it was the it was the kind of what the new metal kids listened
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to when they were trying to make out with girls. Oh totally yeahs honestly,
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can I can I just say City Potier looks really good? Yeah,
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Like, he looks look looks incredible. He looks really good. Wait,
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how old is City Potier at this point? Because like he looks dude,
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was born in nineteen twenty seven, dude, so he was like, how
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old was he during this point? I don't know, dude, he must
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have been close to his seventies. Yeah, and still looked really good.
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He looks great, and he he also gave such an amazing performance he gave
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he gave the best performance in the movie. And then after this we get
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boxing. Uh, he looked really good boxing Richard Gear in the in the
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prison Oh man. Okay, So, like I didn't buy Richard Gear as
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a tough guy. That's kind of what I was confused about, because like,
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which it's cool because he's very Irish tough guy. He's kind of like
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lean and like, you know, like he's got he you know, he
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looks like a guy that could have gone on a hunger strike, you know
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what I mean. Like and like I feel like he is I don't know,
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I think he did pretty good in this movie. But he like he
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has the sort of Van dam quality of like not being the main character in
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his own movie sort of thing. But also he's like kind of coming off
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being like there is this level of it's like an inflection point for his career,
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right because like he's got like his like big, like, oh,
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he's so handsome in the nineties and pretty women and and then the Gerbils and
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then the Gerbils. Yeah exactly, Man, did everyone hear that rumor?
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That's like a rumor that everyone heard just stuck with him forever, like that
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he put Gerbils up his ass? Yeah, and like if it's if if
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anybody, if a young girl listeners don't know about it, I'm continuing the
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legacy of Richard gear My putting Gerbils in your ass? Man did did that?
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He never shook? That is that way he stopped acting. Dude,
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is he and stuff? He is in stuff? He was never consistent,
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right, It felt like he was never consistent. That's just the feeling I
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have about him. I don't feel like I know him well enough. I
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liked him in this movie, but like not enough, Like he's sort of
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always a not enough kind of guy. For me. It was just the
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the accent really through me, because like I listened to people who speak Irish
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English all the time, like Irish accented English, and so like, you
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know, even though I can't do an amazing one myself, but better than
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Richard gears I think I'm just like No, you don'tn't sound irish. No,
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he doesn't. And the thing is, dude, I'll admit something to
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you. I love Richard Gear. I think Richard Gear is actually an amazing
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actor really, but you're right, he's very inconsistent. There is a level
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of like not star quality enough, not weird character actor enough, but like
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somehow you got famous and you wrote that way of being very handsome for a
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really long time, and like really like because you were gray for so long,
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older ladies would always go see you because you were to them somebody who
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who Yeah. Yeah, it's like, you know, like a good looking
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daddy exact exactly. But like I mean, you know, I'm looking at
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the filmography now, like Days of Heaven is great, Breathless is great,
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pretty Woman is great. An officer and a gentleman is good, primal fear.
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I really liked the one American Jigglow is really good. Was he in
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that movie Desperate Measures? I know that was what? No, no,
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no, that was what's his name? Hugh Grant? Okay, because you're
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talking about the one where what's his name? It's like something about cloning or
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whatever kids something like that, But but it's with it's with Hugh Granted and
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Jean Gene Hackman. I think, oh yeah, and I think, yeah,
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I think you're is really good Richard Gear Jean hack he gives this is
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yeah totally, totally, yeah, totally. He kissed the sister on percent
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this Weirdly enough though, this scene where they bring him out to the yard
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to explain what's happening. You could kind of pull this off in the nineties
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where it's like unrealistically bringing in what's it called, like government officials into like
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a weirdly compromised prison or whatever. But like this felt weirdly realistic. I
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was like, yeah, I could buy this that they like kind of had
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a meeting with this guy in a yard. Yeah, yeah, it was
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fine. It nineties worked, like I don't know, if they do it
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this way now, they probably wouldn't make this movie now, can you like
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a movie like this? Also, watching it was such a weirdly nostalgic experience
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because like there's thriller, Yeah, yeah, nineties thriller feel nothing feels like
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nothing will ever feel like that again, ever again, because everything is too
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David insured now, everything is too wide and too slow to like build in
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this way here it's all like mediums and then like a wide once in a
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while. Yeah, it was really it also had to feel I will say
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I really did, like when when he goes, oh I knew who I
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have seen the jackal before? Oh? Did I not mentioned that tricks through
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a guy. Yeah, he kind of like you know, follows his lucky
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charms and and they they he wants to like sort of he's always leveraging,
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trying to like how about to be released? How so want my friend is
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about it to be safe and so want Like he has all these demands and
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it's like, whoa dude, you don't matter that much. Yeah, totally,
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And I love. The reason I love I think Sidney Pattier worked so
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well in this movie is that he was just like no, because because Richard
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here earns his like respect and trust. Totally, that's what made it worth
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the relationship between that. I don't think it's any accident that he's a black
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American in this role and that and that Richard gear is an irishman, you
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know, because like I feel like maybe they could have found some like common
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sort of ground in like struggle, and so I think that was like sort
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of shown throughout the movie with like Richard with with Sidney Potier kind of glaring
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at Richard gear in a way as to say like I trust you more now,
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Yeah, totally. And then we get brush cut, Bruce with a
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mustache, Bruce wearing wearing the cool glasses talk talking to our good friend Jabeles
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being like, you know, I think this this is actually worth maybe fifty,
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and then Bruce pauses too long. She's like, uh, forty forty,
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that's what I meant forty. Nobody, No, I didn't say who
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said fifty. Doesn't have doesn't have the confidence of his like of his own
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skill and totally, which like makes him such a like it kind of builds
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the character really nice because it like, dude, Jack, he's barely the
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Law of Jack totally. He's barely in the movie, but has so yeah,
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he leaves a mark he because he's so yeah. Yeah. It's like,
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how do you try a stamp? He's got a stamp in it,
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stamp on it. Yeah. He Jack Black is like really really himself,
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good at being himself. Yeah, And so it version confidence to the self
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and it feels really there's a comfort to the arc type. So like it
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became the law of Jack Black, his movies and even his you know that,
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like what it like, Yeah, because we first we first only knew
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him from small roles. Yeah, totally like this, Yeah, absolutely,
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Like in Cable Guy, Yeah yeah, maybe I'll take my maybe, yeah,
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maybe I'll take my Camel guy to see the Jackal. But I actually
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really love when when Richard gear goes to nicely cook this guy in the next
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scene where he's like, there was such gentle confidence cooking. Yeah, there
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was so much they loved each other, so so much and so intently in
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front of this guy, and he was just like, well, I guess
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I'm just gonna like he kind of does like a weird side, a resign
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side, because you can tell that they've had a previous agreement that he's not
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going to ask too much about her past and this is clearly from her past
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much of her past. He like he but she says that he's like he
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loves we have an agreement. She keeps kind of like like ashamed loving him.
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She's like, I don't actually love him, but I do love him
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in my way. What I will say though, what's interesting in terms of
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and this is where the acting really takes hold more than the any of the
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writing, but like it seemed like like the kind of love that she have
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for this dude is trauma bond love. No, totally totally, but but
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it's weird that they wrote into the script that, oh, women like her
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or whatever they say wherever she's from. I don't know what strife she's from.
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She was also some kind of like international terrorist, which was apparently just
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a job but at some time in the nineties, but like, you know,
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not that they had a cause or anything. They were just like free
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agents, but like like she was a part of something. I don't I
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forget what it was, and and she's like she like they kind of go
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out of their way to say, oh, well he doesn't ask about my
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past, and I love him in my own way, but I am even
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these women are are are like are so devoted to their cause that they hate
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their oppressor as much as they love their lover. So like they kind of
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weirdly exoticize her too. Yeah, they totally do. Yeah, you know,
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like it's like they kind of make it like she's got this mystical quality.
28:55
It's like not just that like I don't know, I got married,
28:57
dude, Like what you want. Yeah, totally not like I have my
29:00
own life and I can't wait for some like person that I used to us
29:03
to have like some deep bond. Totally dying. But then but then we
29:07
get the next scene where where Volentina is like, my face is burn nobody
29:14
would fuck me with this face, except she's she's so hot. It's so
29:18
ridiculous, like it almost it is like putting the prosthetic on like that to
29:23
look like you have an affliction that like other people actually do have. Yeah,
29:27
that's why people hate fat suits. It's because it characteracterizes it like this.
29:33
It's this kind of thing. It's like it's a different thing to be
29:36
like trying the tooth. It's not because it's always about the fatness. Yeah,
29:40
exactly, it's not incidental. Yeah, it's not like, oh,
29:42
like we're it's a flashback and they were fat before, or it's a flash
29:47
forward and we have to put them in that so that it's they've aged and
29:49
they've gotten a little beef here or whatever. It's like, no, this
29:52
is the focus of what we're making. Yeah, exactly, totally totally.
29:56
But but so so she's hot and burnt face, man, And then they're
30:00
talking and like this is really the crux of the entirety of their relationship.
30:07
Yeah, they're bonding in this more bonding in this way. Oh, we're
30:10
both sort of misunderstood. We both don't have our lovers because of our our
30:17
pasts or whatever, and we have causes that we're deeply embedded in. Yeah,
30:21
totally totally. But then Bruce goes to the gay bar. Oh man,
30:25
oh man, this scene is actually like very erotic, very and like
30:30
not and I knew that it like in a very adult way to very erotic.
30:34
No, no, totally like it felt it felt very chargished. It
30:38
felt charged totally, and I was like, man, why isn't this the
30:42
movie? This isn't interesting? Was it was interesting? It was interesting?
30:45
It was interesting also kind of because of how pulpy the movie was, Yeah,
30:51
and how late nineties b totally and how aggressive Bruce Willis was to this
30:56
guy. I mean in a way that this guy was very excited about totally.
31:00
What's his there, Dylan, what's his name? The guy? He's
31:03
so he's like, oh man, I get your number. He's like,
31:07
I'm not going to suck you tonight, but I'll come back and fuck you
31:10
some other jobs like you promised. He's like, of course I do.
31:14
That's kind of like how it's secretly talked about, but like it's like I'm
31:18
just in the middle of a divorce right now. Oh man, does she
31:21
know? She knows? She does now. She I loved it. I
31:23
think his name is Douglas. Douglas. It was I do. It was
31:26
a D name. Had to put the D had to get in that he
31:29
got got to get the D from. I'm guaranteeing you the Jackal did have
31:33
sex with this dude. It was just to do a power movement on him.
31:37
It was like it was like very interesting and tantalizing. It was like
31:41
tantalizing in a way that none of the other sexual relationship or like no emotional
31:47
relationships were in the movie. Yeah, totally. But I think they were
31:51
trying to make it CD though. I think they were trying. I think
31:55
they were going for see it doesn't come off that way to me, but
31:57
I think they were going for CD maybe, but because it was a little
32:00
bit secret, it was, but it's but the way it would have had
32:05
to be at the time, So maybe they're trying to be accurate. Maybe
32:09
Hey, can I get a computer? Can I go online. Man.
32:14
Really the kiss was also pretty good. It wasn't like you could tell they
32:16
cheated it a little bit. No, dude, he seemed like he like
32:20
he just kissed them. He kissed the sister for sure, but like I
32:23
wasn't sure if he like, like, because there was one moment where he
32:28
pulls away really quickly, and I'm like, you could have lingered on that,
32:31
Bruce, You could have you could have gotten past yourself to linger on
32:36
that. I think he went past himself quite a bit. And this,
32:37
you know, like I mean, he did it in a way where it
32:40
was like I just wanted the most convincing any of the any of the guys
32:49
we've covered, could kiss her. Yeah, nobody in terms of nobody could
32:52
be gay. Nobody, None of them could be No, Bruce, they
32:55
would all make a joke out of it. This was real. This was
32:58
yeah, committed hardcore. This was real in a way that it was like
33:02
very it caught your attention. It was like whoa, because it's actually kind
33:07
of interesting because we don't know anything about the character. He could be gay,
33:09
That's what I say. He probably did have sex with that dude.
33:13
And and was like, well, and I murdered him, and then we
33:20
get to the other best part of the movie where he's like, you know,
33:22
I did a lot of work. I think I'm worth more than this.
33:25
I loved, I loved at that being but well that's good. We'll
33:35
test it out. Let's see. And then when they go through the this
33:37
was the first scene I ever saw out of this movie. Oh, where
33:40
they're kind of like weirdly in a field and it looks weird for some reason.
33:45
It looks like TV for some reason. It looks very cropped for four
33:50
for three aspect ratio. Oh yeah, and that's how I saw it.
33:52
Dude. Bruce looks the best in this scene with this black shirt, the
33:59
crew cut, I disagree. I liked. I liked bleached hair. There's
34:05
a variety of bleached hair bruises. I liked white Bruce White. You mean
34:10
keenergy and Barby's keenergy. Bruce, it was my favorite Bruce. Yeah.
34:15
My favorite was I think still the crop topic. That was a close second.
34:21
Mustache because the mustache look real. The mustache did look real. This
34:24
bruise, oh dude, it's so iconic, that psychotic. Yeah, totally.
34:30
I feel like you could put that Bruce on a poster and it would
34:31
be Pantheon Bruce for some yeh, crew cut Bruce, because he's kind of
34:37
known for a crew cut, even though he's never been known much for hair.
34:40
I mean, he has been known for having iconic baulding. Oh,
34:45
by the way, the reason he gets Chip Douglass, Chip Douglass, not
34:51
not actually Douglass, was that he sneaks his gun into his garage and that's
34:57
what he used for. So he pretended to be ga, built a relationship
35:00
with this dude and then put this giant gun in the garage and then murder
35:05
psychotic. It's crazy. Wait, just to put the gun in the garage.
35:09
Yeah, that was the only reason he's He went on several dates with
35:14
this guy. Yeah, a man he encountered in Douglass. Yeah, he
35:22
uses Douglas's garage to store his machine gun. Wow. Very weird, very
35:29
strange. Yeah, but like so many moments that when you kind of break
35:32
it down what's happening in the movie, you're like a little bit like,
35:36
oh, this is what this movie's about. I know, it's so bizarre.
35:39
And then when he shoots the gun and the tree falls over due,
35:43
I was like, this is awesome. And he's like, it's it's about
35:47
three meters off. Dude nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety eight was obsessed with
35:53
these kinds of like power guns. Yeah, you know, like the like
35:57
very large gun. I think they were trying to like market to children.
36:00
I think that's yeah, totally. And then he points it at JB,
36:05
and JB runs and he's like, nah, don't worry, pull pull your
36:10
psychotically out and don't worry. I'm going to shoot it out. And because
36:15
to prove to him that he got the tech wrong, that's why he did
36:20
that. Because he was going to pay him the money. He seemed like
36:23
a guy who was like, well, if he did good work, I
36:25
would have just paid him and left. So he wanted that it was exactly
36:31
three millimeters or whatever. Yeah, and he was he was he's such a
36:35
good marksman. He was able to compensate for it. And that's why he
36:37
killed him and didn't get it adjusted. Yea. So he shot his arm
36:42
off to prove to him that he got it wrong, and then killed and
36:45
killed him. Yeah, he killed him, but like toyed with him at
36:49
first, his arm get him blown off. It was amazing. It's so
36:53
amazing. Uh, but be interesting. Interesting part of this movie. Jabls
37:04
made a lasting impact. It's just very b movie. The plot, it's
37:08
very like the now that we're talking about it, I'm like, oh,
37:13
man, like all the things that happened. Yeah, and blonde for not
37:17
not bleach blonde, but blonde Bruce getting He's like, oh, I'm gonna
37:22
go fishing. And then later it's like, bright, it's what it's not
37:27
bleach blonde, it's platinum blonde. That's what he is. Platinum blonde Bruce
37:31
is. You're right, it is probably one of the best bruss Bruce.
37:37
But what what part are we in? We're at Maybe you should take over
37:42
the really plotting, because like it's such a confusing, weird movie. I
37:49
mean, they're on boats, they're on boats, they go to boats,
37:52
they go to boats, and and like there there's a bunch of convoluted stuff
37:59
that happens in this part where they're trying to identify the jackal. They're trying
38:04
to see how much information about them the jackal has, and the jackal seemingly
38:07
starts snowing everything, and this is where their plan really starts kind of unfurnished,
38:13
right, Yeah, all dude, this scene is incredible. Yeah,
38:15
the scene where the jackal mixed with a very niceties silty head and lowering the
38:25
sunglasses Bruce in slow motion. But then later post productions log, oh yeah,
38:30
totally, they forgot to do something. And Bruce is the thing that
38:35
sells Bruce in this is he's just confident the entire time. Oh, he's
38:38
amazing, dude. He does such a good job and like some of the
38:42
like subtle micro expressions he does, and like the face acting, the like
38:45
the like I'm a psycho face acting where he's like, I'm kind of dad
38:51
eyed. Like it's weird because he has that sort of deadpan delivery that he
38:54
sometimes does in some of his movies, but it, like, really it
38:59
was very intentional and you could tell he was very aware of the choices he
39:01
was. Yeah, it's funny because I feel like a lot of people then
39:07
mistook Bruce's dead pan for like dead eyed yeah, and then started casting him
39:13
dead eyed yeah totally, which we'll get you in. He's he's he's really
39:17
good at this movie. Yeah, he is. He's just a genuinely really
39:22
you know what, he's a He's like a Harrison Ford to me, he
39:28
is like like he's like a workman totally. Like you can kind of put
39:31
him in anything, and he could do a like a lot with the roles
39:36
that he's given. But like, yeah, he's he's he's iconic. He
39:45
is iconic, and like, you know what, as as a lead that
39:49
used to be kind of just like a handsome boy lead to try and like
39:54
work out a little bit like what you can do is a tough thing to
40:00
do, especially in the nineties. Yeah, because in the nineties you were
40:02
kind of limited in a different way than you are now. And now it's
40:07
good because like a focus on representation can like really like rope in really interesting
40:13
talent from different places. But then you're sort of limited by the fact that
40:17
like you now have to have like oh, like people have star power and
40:22
it's like but then it was like, well, we'll just get Richard Geared
40:24
to play an Irish guy. And it's like what And then it's like bull
40:30
Americans don't know what acts people's ound like and they kind of don't, that's
40:32
right, So it's like you can just kind of slyly get away with this.
40:37
But dude, this scene where they're on the docks and they have this
40:40
shootout where where they first recognize each other. It's kind of amazing, it
40:45
really does, and it's a good action kind of cheats this idea that they
40:50
have a relationship because like you when they're rested and it's written in that,
40:54
he was like, oh, I need Yeah, but it's nice to be
41:00
able to have like just a clean moment of like connection. Very interesting.
41:04
Yeah, And but like some of the procedural stuff in this it really did
41:08
make it drag, Like all the conversations that they had about the stuff that
41:14
was happening was a little bit like, you know, after the whole shootout,
41:16
he has to talk to Sidney Potier again on the dock and then like
41:21
they're just like and they just kind of over explain and explain and explain while
41:24
at the same time not really explaining anything. But it really gives way to
41:30
some amazing Sydney Potier rowits because it this seed in particular when he's like sort
41:34
of like really telling Richard Gear It's it's kind of amazing, Yeah, but
41:37
that's the big Also, the big problem with the movie is that like it
41:40
kind of repeats over and over again. It's like action scene they get there
41:46
he's gone like, oh, he this is some new information a little bit
41:53
and then it's like, I guess you're just hunting this guy hunting and going
41:58
hunting. Oh dude. That scene when Bruce Willis slowly opens up that that
42:04
that that container that has that's connected to a grenade charge and he has to
42:10
cut the Yeah, and like he inside there's like documents, some kind of
42:20
like falsified documents that he's going to be able to get out of the country
42:22
with. Yeah, he's getting like he has like these hookups that help him
42:27
and how is he doing all of the things he was doing. It just
42:30
like seemed like he was talking to the dark web the whole time. Yeah,
42:32
that's the thing is that like when you make somebody, when you're not
42:36
seeing somebody do something, everything just seems like magic and they just seem like
42:40
they're getting away with things. That's why people like Michael Mann who like focus
42:46
in on how procedural stuff like how things are done, That's what makes those
42:51
characters so compelling, because they're doing the thing and you're seeing them in action,
42:54
whereas like This relies too heavily on their personalities and it's like it's it's
43:00
not enough written in to them to be like any more than just kind of
43:05
paper thin characters. And the acting is doing most of the work, and
43:12
the acting was phenomenal, dude, the acting was really good actually. But
43:15
so they find out from that scene because Bruce Willis knew where they were,
43:22
that Richard gears like, you have a mole because he knew all this information.
43:27
So they find out that the mole is the Russian guy, one of
43:30
the Russian guys who was like like, I mean, if you have pock
43:32
marks, dude, you have to be a bad guy in like that.
43:36
That's just like why this guy was cast. And yeah, I don't know
43:42
like it or no, I don't know, not, I don't know not.
43:45
I don't know. They just had a random recording some of this.
43:52
Like I was like they had a record logic. Yeah, he was city
43:57
Potier taps all all of the people's owns that are working in this organization for
44:01
the from the MVD and the FBI so that you can find the mole that's
44:08
been giving the Jackal information. But then when they catch the mole, he's
44:13
like, yep, that's me. See you later, guys, and then
44:15
walks out. It was like I was so confused by that. I was
44:19
confused because I was like, what is not gonna be shocked? Is he
44:22
like, well, it does that shock? They were gonna say, so
44:24
they send it, Well, they send him away. He's gonna get arrested.
44:28
Yeah, but he just kind of walks out of the room. It's
44:30
not even like I know, but like, because he's not American, he
44:34
needs to be Oh he has a diplomatic community. That's right, Yeah,
44:37
you're right, that's true. He does. He actually declaratively stands up and
44:42
says, while I have to diplomatic community, and I'm the old see you
44:45
guys later. Well you can sane whoa no wonder. This movie was like
44:52
panned critically. Then we got Platinum Bleach Bruce, we got Ken Bruce Man.
45:00
He's so good. He's so good in this movie. Okay, all
45:04
of the Isabella stuff was really annoying. All of the like the secret wife,
45:09
the like the wife, the like ex wife woman Richard Gear. Yeah,
45:15
yeah, you know what. I liked her coming back. That was
45:19
kind of cool. It was cool because she but then he like robs her
45:23
of a hero moment kind of yeah, the movie robs her of it,
45:28
not him. He does. Yeah, it would have been cool as like
45:32
like a tight if the first of all, the movie's too long, just
45:37
two hours long, Yeah, it's too long. If the movie ended in
45:42
that way, cut a half hour out of it and made it less like
45:47
convoluted, the movie would be like a fucking spectacle, truly, when I
45:52
agree with that scene when they went Richard Gear and the city Plantier at an
45:58
airplane hanger for some reason, and like they realize that that they've been fucked,
46:04
like they realized just how much information the Jackal has because they have this
46:07
like little book, and then the city of Pantier's reaction like angry Eye's reaction
46:15
of like son of a bitch, Like he's just so like like he's irritated
46:22
and angry at himself totally for having missed something, but also in the most
46:27
the most grounded way, because before like after totally it would be like if
46:34
somebody else played this role, that's a more modern actor, it would have
46:37
been like like a seething anger. Yeah, but this was very like preserved.
46:43
It was like I'm so upset with myself that it was so stupid.
46:46
It was so stupid. Exactly, there's a frustration Yeah, totally totally.
46:51
That's really that's really human and really really well, Like it just illustrates the
46:57
floor because acting is really evolved into something really weird and different. And that's
47:02
why I'm like, I really like that social media has taken over so much
47:06
because now we can have a rue that kind of performance and people won't see
47:10
it as unrealistic because people know people like that. And like, once you're
47:15
exposed to so many types of like different kinds of reactions to different kinds of
47:21
things, it opens up the world in such a way that in yeah,
47:25
totally, that's why David David Lynch has always had that. That's why he's
47:30
had like clashes of acting styles with different people where you're like, oh,
47:35
don't feel like it fits, but when you have people now behaving the way
47:38
they do, it totally does fit. Dude, Dude, this scene where
47:43
like they get shot up, the house gets shot up, it was really
47:47
cool. Yeah, totally totally where what's her name Valentina is in the house
47:53
and he man Bruce Willis is vicious, like I want you to tell him
48:00
that he can't protect protect his women. Was such a it's like a weirdly
48:06
territorial very hyper masculine move. I'm glad that he did it though because of
48:10
the fact he is so masculine in this movie. Though well, yeah,
48:15
I think that's the idea. I see if there's a kind of like there's
48:17
a very kind of like scary top energy like where it's like you you don't
48:22
know if you want to be like ravaged or or like yeah, it's like
48:25
it's kind of like a like I don't know if I want to fight you
48:29
or fuck you. It's a van dem said at all, but but it's
48:34
it's very much that and and like there, but there's like a hiddenness to
48:37
him. They talk a little bit about people hiding in the shadows who are
48:42
kind of cowardly, and they make his they have the undercurrent of the homosexuality
48:46
in it, which it could be, but also like he he is,
48:52
Richard Gear was the effeminate one. He's not an action hero. He's not
48:57
an action star, right, but he's not. But he's portraying a kind
49:00
of like a kind of valor in this that's masculine in a way, totally
49:06
totally, but like the way he is is very much he's got a love,
49:14
a love for somebody that he can't have an unrequited, unrequited, unrequited
49:21
love. He can't really leave anywhere. He's in prison, so he's like
49:27
like trapped, whereas Bruce is completely free and also completely like you know,
49:32
very confident in everything. Like there's like a privilege to like because he just
49:37
does whatever the hell he wants. So there's a kind of like entitlement with
49:42
which he like there's a almost like a hubrists that he has totally totally.
49:49
But yeah, oh man, the way that J. J. Simmons gets
49:53
smoked in the head, Yeah, totally, and then Valentina gets like shot
49:59
up, you got shot the liver. With that kind of injury, he
50:01
wants to survive another twenty minutes, five minutes if you don't hold it,
50:07
and so like he kind of like it's it's he's got that kind of like
50:09
dextra quality. Yeah, or he's Harry's code. He's got his Harry's code,
50:15
Debra's code. He's talking, he says to him, because he's really
50:22
good at it. I can't get that deep, Like my my voice is
50:27
high. I can't I can't do that. But yeah, like there's a
50:32
kind of because Valentino is such a like a strong and kind of badass character
50:40
in this movie. I feel like it's there, it's almost okay, uh,
50:49
like it's I don't know, like, no, what I want to
50:53
say is this, I feel like every woman character in this movie is done
51:00
a disservice by this movie. Yeah, of course. I mean it's a
51:02
nineties action movie, yeah, for sure, Like and it's definitely something we've
51:06
come to expect for movies like this. But I think that, like it's
51:08
weird though, because you can tell that the movie is actively leaning into some
51:15
of these tropes of like having Valentina be pretty. Like there's a writing difference.
51:21
It's not quite like eighties demsel In Distriss, you know. Yeah,
51:24
it's there's a kind of attempt at a badass or whatever for sure, for
51:29
sure, but like she's robbed of that in this scene where she's there to
51:35
die. I mean that's the thing so that she can be his like like
51:37
a lost chance at love. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of
51:44
weird because like it doesn't they also set her up before we even see him.
51:49
She gets more screen time because she is the inciting event of the of
51:52
the movie. That's what shoots a guy that's what's interesting about the arc that
51:57
she has though too like, but she is kind of geared to die,
52:00
Richard geared to die. She's definitely Richard geared to die. Yeah, but
52:06
the weird sadistic drying the heart on the on the cheek, yeah for sure,
52:09
in blood. Yeah. And then she dies in Richard Gear's arms.
52:15
I didn't think she was gonna die. I was like, whoa, whoa.
52:19
When when they were still there, I realized that she was gonna die
52:22
because why didn't they take and something that I and I noticed when they were
52:24
taking your car off in the girdie, like, they were running to the
52:28
and we were both like, where are they running? She's dead, they're
52:31
running. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, wait, I want you
52:37
to see it. Yeah. They also she was also terrible at being Oh
52:45
my god, her accent was carocious. What's this actress's name? Something cool?
52:51
I think, oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. It's so
52:55
funny, dude, them running away like that, it was so funny.
53:00
Yeah. And then he has a heartfelt talk with Isabella, after which I'm
53:02
like, like, I don't know what, who is she? What?
53:07
They like? I just I didn't think that she was earned at the end.
53:13
Just the fact that they talk about the fact that she has an undying
53:15
love doesn't make it like, doesn't mean we got enough screen time, doesn't
53:19
mean we got enough character development. It doesn't mean we have enough anything to
53:22
go off of this character. Yeah, for sure, Like the thing is
53:30
I mean I think we can wrap up no or anything. Yeah, is
53:34
there anything else? He wanted to like, Man, Yeah, I don't
53:36
know. I just I really enjoyed were there were parts of this movie that
53:40
I just thought were so funny. Yeah, Like I was gonna say,
53:45
like to me, like I really enjoyed watching the movie, Like I was
53:50
like actually intrigued me too, but also like I realized how zany it was.
53:54
It felt like the Hudson Hawk thing all over again, except without it
53:59
being some ch a parody. Yeah, Like it was like if it was
54:01
just if it didn't take itself as seriously and made it kind of leaned into
54:07
the wackiness, I think it would have been better. Dude, that scene
54:10
when Bruce Willis calls the calls Douglas and he's like right away he's got the
54:19
way, Hey, how's it? God, Like he's got kind of like
54:21
a like a casualness and a lightness to him, and also that same intensity
54:24
that we saw from before, where I'm like, whoa dude, these are
54:28
like active choices. Yeah, such a good job. Yeah, I mean
54:31
we can, we can. We can wrap up for sure, Like I
54:34
do want to keep talking about some of the points, like the guy gets
54:37
marked and like you know, like there's some like cool character moments like this
54:42
moment where he like where Douglas noticeably feels the vibe being a shift. Yeah,
54:47
this is actually an incredible scene because he feels not only does he feel
54:52
the vibe is off, but Bruce's back in the dead eyed mode. Yeah.
54:58
And and but he's still s saying words that the fake Bruce would it
55:02
would be saying yeah, where he's like here have some Korean Yeah yeah.
55:07
And it's like when we first like more what we were going out and he's
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now we're gonna stay here a little bit longer. There's something like very there's
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a menace to it, and it's because we saw him gain the familiarity,
55:22
but we also there was also the dramatic irony of us knowing that something that
55:24
he does that he's just figuring out. So like there's very much. They
55:29
played with that with us where we were like, oh my god, what's
55:30
what's gonna happen? Right? And he of course gets destroyed, which I
55:35
was like, whoa what I What I like about covering movies like this is
55:39
that there there they become pantheon in the culture in a particular kind of way
55:49
where it's like, ah, this is something that kind of ruined, ruined
55:52
a lot of careers, and it's so bad. It was such a bad
55:57
movie, you know what I mean. But then in retrospect you watch it
56:00
and it's like, like, this is like a hyper competently made It's very
56:02
competently. It's just like it's the writing is the worst part. The focus
56:09
of certain things is not great. Well. So one writing plot point that
56:15
I got to mention here at the end is when he Richard gear realizes because
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he's watching an interview with Larry King, with the first Lady of the United
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States, that it's actually going to be a public thing. And yeah,
56:30
he can't quote unquote can't help his women. All he like he puts together
56:37
into its exactly assumes and into it's it's actually the target. It hasn't been
56:43
somebody ahead of the FBI. It's actually actually the first First Lady who is
56:46
very much a Hillary Clinton, Oh definitely, and like she is kind of
56:52
like trying to open like she's doing a charitable cause. So she's opening a
56:54
cancer ward. And like they've literally got like it's cartoonish. They've got like
57:00
kids out and like cancer outfits. It's really like kind of interesting. Yeah,
57:05
and like cop Bruce Bruce Stress as a cop, dude, it's amazing.
57:08
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's very much growing into it. Yeah.
57:14
Yeah, he's starting to do that a lot more. Yea. Yeah.
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But also what's what's I will say. I actually like City Potier and and
57:29
Richard Gear really sold that ending, like really in the most uncheesy way.
57:38
So City Potier like it's responsible for saving the First Lady. Therefore, like
57:45
his career is set. Yeah, there's no way he's going to lose his
57:47
job. He even says. He even says that he's like if I if
57:52
I save the First Lady, there's nothing they can do. You can fuck
57:54
up all the time, you can Rudy Giuliania, Dude, he can recoacta
57:59
l totally. What I really love about it is the like overt and covert
58:05
way of him being like, hey, I'm gonna go get a coffee and
58:08
I'm gonna go right over there where you aren't like and then and I'm gonna
58:14
be there about thirty minutes. How does that sound? Yeah? And like
58:17
that kind of overtness overt covertness is really interesting because they sell it. It's
58:25
so corny and it's so cheesy. I miss watching with thought. She said,
58:30
what are you gonna do? You're gonna make him a fugitive note Yeah,
58:37
totally totally. But like he also like plugging the cell phones into things
58:40
so that they have like a tele telekinetic connection. He was like like launching
58:47
the gun from far remotely from a car. It was so stupid. And
58:52
then like he says the first lady, Yeah, and then they have this
58:53
like the chase scene actually through the through the subway was pretty cool. Yeah,
58:59
and all the subway special effects, like it was like special effects e
59:01
but like it was really looked. It looked really good. Yeah, like
59:06
it was some like was it kind of like some backdrop stuff that was like
59:08
I don't know, actually she didn't know. How did they do it?
59:10
At that time? It looked great. Yeah, it looks really good and
59:17
yeah, so so they Yeah, so they have that like that kind of
59:24
shootout. This part kind of annoyed me where he like captures a woman hostage
59:30
and once again we have that you can't save your women sort of trope and
59:32
he's like, come on deck him, come on check exactly. Yeah,
59:38
and yeah they kind of yeah, yeah, they kind of fight, uh
59:45
and like shoot each other and Isabella comes and shoots him out of nowhere,
59:51
and then Richard years got a flesh wound and he then takes over the gun.
59:57
Yeah, literally uses around. Yeah, but also like it so that
1:00:01
he can later cook her husband. Yea. But yeah, like the Yeah,
1:00:07
it sucks because of the fact that, like there's so much potential in
1:00:12
this movie, and in fact, the whole movie is just kind of rides
1:00:15
on potential totally, and and it's the strength, it's the excitement of this
1:00:21
movie. Yeah, but it's but it's it's a failure ultimately. It is
1:00:23
ultimately, like Bruce did an amazing job in this. I would give this
1:00:27
eight bruces easily. I could give it fucking ten. I would I would
1:00:34
give seven point five. Yeah, yeah, totally. So dude, how
1:00:40
many Daniel days would you give it. Oh Daniel Kim, Oh my god,
1:00:45
dude. I was like, whoa is that Daniel Kim? Yeah?
1:00:47
I was like, how many Daniel days? Dude? I mean I would
1:00:51
give it. I would, I would give it, like like, I
1:01:00
mean, honestly, he Isn't it so strange how Daniel Dick Kim just looks
1:01:06
like a good doctor Jos But totally he looks does look like he looks Google
1:01:12
docs. He looks so much like him, it's so weird. Yeah.
1:01:17
Anyway, it's it's it's a it's a really it's a really interesting failure.
1:01:22
It's a really compelling and well put together movie. I like think, but
1:01:27
I don't think it's well directed. I think and it's competently directed, but
1:01:30
it's it's well written. Sorry sorry, it's well it's it's yeah, it's
1:01:37
well put together. It's well put toge it's well put together. It's just
1:01:38
like it's it's a casual bruise change. Yeah, it's a Bruce Yeah is
1:01:44
going to be your Master of Disguise. Totally totally. But the movie I
1:01:50
would give like a six point nine. I enjoyed it quite a bit,
1:01:54
but it's like, ultimately it's like not a good six point nine is a
1:01:58
good grade though, because it levels out the enjoyment. Yeah, the enjoyment
1:02:01
is what I'm giving because otherwise I would just kind of give it a six
1:02:05
really like it was, maybe give it a five maybe. Yeah, it's
1:02:08
like a very weirdly middle of the road in so many ways, but in
1:02:15
other ways it's like kind of interesting. Man, people get pushed so much
1:02:19
and so violently pushed. Do you know what this movie actually reminds me of.
1:02:22
I don't know if you've ever seen this movie. There's a movie called
1:02:24
The Osterman Weekend, which often yeah, which is what's his name, Sam
1:02:30
sam Peck and Pause, one of Sam Pecama's last movie, and it's just
1:02:35
like kind of hallucinatory. It's very dream like, and this movie has a
1:02:38
similar kind of dream vibe where it's like things are happening, and you should
1:02:43
know what's happening, but you really kind of are just letting the movie happen.
1:02:50
Yeah, you're, you're and you're also letting the movie talk so much
1:02:53
at you, which was a little bit. I think if they cut some
1:02:58
of the expositions, they didn't need a lot of Man, that's just like
1:03:00
it would have made it better and it would have weirdly make it made it
1:03:04
make more sense. Yeah, it's the same thing with dude. Oppenheimer was
1:03:07
so like, dude, just cut the dialogue, chill with people talking.
1:03:15
Yeah, I feel like he doesn't know. He doesn't. He feels like
1:03:17
a guy goes like yeah, where It's like, but if they're not talking,
1:03:22
how is anybody even known? It's like, yeah, but dude,
1:03:24
like you are like such a visual guy, what do you need people talking?
1:03:29
For me? Like he's he's the most visually talkie director I've ever like.
1:03:34
Where it's like a guy who is such brilliant visuals to have such like
1:03:39
tame, boring dialogue is so odd to me. Yeah, I don't like,
1:03:45
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't
1:03:46
know. I think you're I think I think you're onto something. Dude.
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I'll see you next week. Dude. But I love Bruce, dude,
1:04:28
Yeah, yeah, love Bruce. It's such a good job. Yeah he
1:04:30
did. I mean, I think I would give it an eight too.
1:04:33
What a bruises Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. He did a really
1:04:38
good job in the movie, a very like, wonderfully subtle performance that included
1:04:44
a lot of micro express like you were saying. The micro expressions really sell
1:04:49
him having like an internal life, but then at the at the other side
1:04:55
of it, like being able to act like you're pretending to be something else.
1:05:00
Is a very interesting style of acting. I've brought this up before.
1:05:04
Juliet Moore is really good at it, and brilliantly performed by Charlie from Girls
1:05:12
in Oh yeahs possessor. Yeah totally, he he is. He was fantastic
1:05:19
at doing that too. Pretending to be yeah and then making mistakes at being
1:05:26
someone else is also an interesting, really really interesting yeah, as being yourself.
1:05:31
Yeah, yeah, what a good movie that was. I mean is
1:05:35
wrong, becaus is a good movie. Infinity Pool was was how I felt
1:05:39
about Okay, what what Kays felt about this one? I'm excited to see
1:05:43
a creation. Oh Infinity Pool. Yeah yeah, it's well watch it.
1:05:49
I would love to talk to you about that movie. Okay, yeah,
1:05:51
see next week. See you next week.