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The Killing of a Health Insurance CEO · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: We're talking about some shit this week.
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  Speaker 3: I know this was the feel good story of the year, Adam.
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  Speaker 3: This was like solely Sulenberger for twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: That's where we're at now as a culture that this
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  Speaker 4: is now the everybody like, hoorah, come on one for
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  Speaker 4: the little guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. People had strong feelings about this on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the argument, but I feel like more on one side.
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  Speaker 4: Mostly the one side, there's fewer people who are like, well,
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  Speaker 4: well they think.
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  Speaker 3: About the CEOs.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they're just trying to enjoy their both the
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  Speaker 4: gang puck cater lunches. I don't know, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 4: hard for me because I've worked in television now for
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  Speaker 4: enough years where I've met a lot of these billionaire
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  Speaker 4: lizard brain fucks and they're just awful you can't.
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  Speaker 3: There's they're completely disposable human beings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you're I should mention we're talking.
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  Speaker 4: About the United Healthcare CEO.
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  Speaker 1: United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
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  Speaker 3: When it's really got us all united, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I think what people got to understand is different about
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  Speaker 1: this guy is it's an insurance company. They kind of
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  Speaker 1: specialize in letting people die for profit.
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  Speaker 3: This is kind of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's going to come back to bite
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  Speaker 1: you at some point, Like, it doesn't need to be
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  Speaker 1: that way.
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  Speaker 3: It's an extreme way.
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  Speaker 4: It would be great if it came back to bite
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  Speaker 4: him legislatively, although I don't that doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 4: any danger of happening.
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  Speaker 3: Never.
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  Speaker 4: It could come back to bite you legislatively or ballistically
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  Speaker 4: is the other way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would prefer legislatively. It would be
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  Speaker 1: better if people weren't being sent into debt because they
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  Speaker 1: get sick. That's fucking insane.
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  Speaker 4: And no one here is outright endorsing any kind of violence.
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  Speaker 3: Not outright, no, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, I'm not trying to get a fucking stun grenade
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  Speaker 1: thrown through my window. I'm not fucking telling people no
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  Speaker 1: don't take any fucking advice for me.
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  Speaker 4: No, and especially not me because I only know about
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  Speaker 4: thirty percent of what Adam knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean unless you want to know about the
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  Speaker 1: CIA and Jonestown.
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  Speaker 4: Or where Elvis really was. Yeah, the spoiler alert it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a coffin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that you can listen to me on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: don't take your violence directions for me, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they're already hitting us with a low grade
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  Speaker 4: amount of havana syndrome Adams. So the worst they really do,
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  Speaker 4: I think for this podcast is turn up the radio
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  Speaker 4: waves ten to twenty percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like I could handle that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have enough fillings in my teeth for it to
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  Speaker 1: be a big issue.
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  Speaker 3: I drink enough celsius.
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  Speaker 4: I got to figure the preservatives in that is going
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  Speaker 4: to stop any kind of government nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: So I am glad we waited to record this when
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  Speaker 1: we did, Otherwise this would just be completely irrelevant.
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  Speaker 3: A useless time capsule.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a whole bunch of mystery around who
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  Speaker 1: did this and what the motive was. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: was keeping not I don't want to say hope, but
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  Speaker 1: I was keeping the option open that may maybe this
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  Speaker 1: was someone just wanted to murder this guy for personal reasons.
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  Speaker 3: He tucked to my wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was like, just make it look like
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  Speaker 1: a discrunt old patient or consumer or the.
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  Speaker 3: VP of United Healthcare, since he's got some better ideas,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: But they did find the shooter this morning as we
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  Speaker 1: record this. Twenty six year old Luis gi Menngioni.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no word yet from his father. Pizza Lasagna.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a fake name.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my other son. I am afraid Dose Spagett think
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  Speaker 3: he is such a good boy.
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  Speaker 1: And there have been details trickling out about Luigi, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about him in a little bit, but it
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  Speaker 1: seems like he's the guy.
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  Speaker 3: At this point. It would be rather weird.
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  Speaker 4: It would be like someone was doing the best United
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  Speaker 4: Healthcare murderer alternative reality game Halloween costume, where they're like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna cause play this guy and see if the
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  Speaker 4: cops will catch a fake version of him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they found a manifesto about the health care industry
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  Speaker 1: on him.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like at that point it's like, well then
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  Speaker 4: you're dead the rights. But you're dead the rights anyway,
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  Speaker 4: and you might as well have the manifesto. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you've got to get your bars off. Although are they
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  Speaker 4: going to publish it? That's a question. This guy's gotten
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  Speaker 4: mir ors though, he's got that shit hosted on fucking
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  Speaker 4: rapid Gators somewhere in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: Someone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think someone's gonna find it. There's no way
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  Speaker 1: he didn't put it online for people to find. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you never know.
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  Speaker 4: I just one of these days you're going to be
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  Speaker 4: on their list of favorite podcasters at him. I can
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  Speaker 4: feel it.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be fine. I appreciate the listens, no matter where
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  Speaker 1: they come from.
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  Speaker 4: The heck of a credit like you may have seen
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  Speaker 4: Adam on the cracks dot com and the Christopher Dorner manifesto.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about this shooting, how it unfolded, the
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  Speaker 1: online reaction again. United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, fifty years old,
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed by a previously unknown assailant on the
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  Speaker 1: morning of December fourth, twenty twenty four. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: is Jay Z's birthday. If I'm not mistaken, Happy birthday, Hove.
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  Speaker 3: Throw your rocketfelly diamonds up.
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  Speaker 1: He shoot or arrived outside the hotel about ten minutes
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  Speaker 1: before Thompson arrived. Do we feel like he maybe got
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  Speaker 1: tipped off by someone?
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  Speaker 3: He must have known something.
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  Speaker 1: I know he could have been stalking this guy. But
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  Speaker 1: how long had this conference been going? Was it was
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  Speaker 1: this like day one?
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  Speaker 4: Because I feel like you're either there for three hours
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  Speaker 4: like staking it out, or you know when the thing
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  Speaker 4: is wrapping up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely knew when to be there because he
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  Speaker 1: showed up like ten minutes early, and there's footage of
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  Speaker 1: him just walking around hitting the Starbucks as one.
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  Speaker 4: No, no wonder that, like women on Twitter have such a
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  Speaker 4: crush on this guy. He's got the good looks, he's
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  Speaker 4: antique corporates, He's very punctual. He is he's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: is where he says he's gonna be when he says
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be there.
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  Speaker 3: That's nice.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine being on the verge of assassinating someone essentially, and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I could go for an energy bar, though,
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  Speaker 1: let me dip into the Starbucks the blood sugar up.
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  Speaker 4: I guess like every well, at a certain point, you
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  Speaker 4: got to be like I'm exposing myself to like all
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  Speaker 4: this risk. Every single corporate store you walk into is
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  Speaker 4: another level of assumption. Of risk because of all the
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  Speaker 4: cameras and surveillance and shit in there. But you're like, well,
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  Speaker 4: what am I going to fucking do this shit while
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  Speaker 4: I'm lightheaded? No, you get a granola bar.
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  Speaker 1: How about the I'm sure you've seen the video of
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  Speaker 1: the shooting. How about that person that was just standing there?
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  Speaker 1: That would be oh yeah, intense, yes, kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of like the guy work in the camera when Bud
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  Speaker 4: Dwyer shot himself in the head.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever seen the Bud Dwier documentary?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't reached that level of depression yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's sad that dude got set up like he was
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  Speaker 1: not guilty of the things they accused him of that
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  Speaker 1: made him kill himself. But anyway, when Thompson arrived, he
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  Speaker 1: walked toward the hotel entrance. Mangioni approaches from behind, fire
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  Speaker 1: or at least three shots.
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  Speaker 4: We're not used to using his full name yet, so
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  Speaker 4: I immediately pictured Chuck Mangioni from King of the Hill with
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  Speaker 4: like opening up his like fucking flugel horn case and
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  Speaker 4: pulling out the gun.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, what.
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  Speaker 1: If they're related?
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  Speaker 4: Mister Mangoni and his soft jazz stylings would like to.
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  Speaker 4: That's how you know you're soft is when you need
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  Speaker 4: a softer version of the softest genre of music. Condemned
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  Speaker 4: in the strongest possible terms the actions of my nephew Luigi.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's possible his brother Mario is a good egg.
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  Speaker 4: I would have expected this from his cousin Walla Uigi
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  Speaker 4: MANGIONI Okay, I'm done. I'm done. I'm really done.
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  Speaker 1: So the video of him shooting that gun, it looked weird.
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  Speaker 1: There was all sorts of speculation about what kind of
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  Speaker 1: gun it was, and one interesting theory was that it
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  Speaker 1: was a veterinary gun.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds like some real like no Country for old men. Shit,
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  Speaker 3: This is like, oh, this is like what Barry would use.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it's a gun that's capable of firing nine
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  Speaker 1: millimeter bullets but also doing it without making a loud noise,
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  Speaker 1: because you got.
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  Speaker 3: To kill your horse, but you can't wake up your chickens.
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  Speaker 3: I guess. I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It was pointed out that no one really intervened after
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  Speaker 1: he shot this guy, like there was no one who
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna fucking play hero right now and
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  Speaker 1: tackle this dude. And they think it might be because
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  Speaker 1: no one really heard it the way you would normally
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  Speaker 1: hear someone getting shot three times.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it was like it wasn't like a gun shoddy noise.
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  Speaker 4: There was like three loud clacks.
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  Speaker 3: Of some kind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now imagine you're that person standing there. You
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  Speaker 1: just hear like you're like, hey, what was that? Holy shit?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah was that a laser?
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  Speaker 1: On the video, it looks like the gun jams and
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  Speaker 1: he very fucking calmly clears that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a guy who practiced on a pumpkin,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the ruins of whatever life he came
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  Speaker 4: from to do this. It's gonna be very interesting to
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  Speaker 4: hear the story of like whatever this guy's ant or
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  Speaker 4: whoever the fuck was going through, you know, that that
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  Speaker 4: motivated him to do this, or if it was him
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  Speaker 4: himself or Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I am really interested to hear all of that. I
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  Speaker 1: was sure this was gonna at least be a military guy.
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  Speaker 4: With how professional it was, you know, it had had
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  Speaker 4: some Dorner vibes.
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  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned Barry. It seemed like kind of a
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  Speaker 1: Barry Yeah shooting where he's using this weird ass gun.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently they think he maybe three D printed the gun
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  Speaker 1: and that it was just a gun with a silencer,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not a veterinary gun. Maybe he three D printed
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  Speaker 1: a veterinary gun. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he just did it for the pussy and didn't
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  Speaker 4: realize that he's going to be in prison with a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of dudes. You can conjugal visits if you're an assassin.
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  Speaker 4: That seems like something they would cut out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know do they even Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they still allow those. That has to be a thing.
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  Speaker 1: I know we cracked down on prisoners having any fun
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  Speaker 1: or semblance of joy in their lives in this country,
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  Speaker 1: so who knows.
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  Speaker 4: Look, we're not going to take away the slave labor,
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  Speaker 4: but that means we can't take away the pussy either.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, it's a delicate ecosystem exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So, after he shoots Thompson, he runs across the street,
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  Speaker 1: gets on an e bike, very environmentally conscious of him,
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  Speaker 1: and then disappears into Central Park. And that's where the
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  Speaker 1: trail went cold.
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  Speaker 4: At first, it's punctual. He's into biking, good looking all. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: he's an excellent planner.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly, Yeah, he's a catch. Oh and we have to
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  Speaker 1: mention the bullets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this was really cool writing something on shell casings.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's a really just a strong move in general.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote, den I defend the pose on three
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  Speaker 1: different shell casings, one word each. I'm assuming to give.
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  Speaker 4: You shot yourself three times in the head, and then
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  Speaker 4: they said fuck you Brenda.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is probably a play on delay denied defend
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  Speaker 1: why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can
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  Speaker 1: do about it a twenty ten expose of the insurance industry.
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  Speaker 1: Thompson's wife said he'd been getting threats, but she said
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't sure exactly over what, but something about denied coverage.
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  Speaker 4: There's got to be such a large degree of like
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  Speaker 4: what I can only describe as background radiation for like
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  Speaker 4: public hate. When you're in that position that you're like
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  Speaker 4: you probably tune out a certain amount of death threats
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  Speaker 4: is just like baseline.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, ah, those are always coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, every comedian I know with more than thirty
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  Speaker 4: thousand followers is fielding death threats all day.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's got to kind of come with the territory.
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  Speaker 1: When again, you are in charge of a company that
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  Speaker 1: sometimes lets people die over technicalities and things of the
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  Speaker 1: like that will elicit some death threats for sure, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes some shootings. Apparently, it turns out people are pretty
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  Speaker 1: upset about the state of health insurance in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Even with Obamacare, which fixed everything exactly, even with the
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  Speaker 1: premium being covered or people who can't forward it, there's
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  Speaker 1: still deductibles, co pays, co insurance, all of that shit
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  Speaker 1: that you still have to come up off. If you
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  Speaker 1: get sick.
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  Speaker 3: You got to come up with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, it's not surprising that people have gotten
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  Speaker 4: to this point. I'm almost like one of these things,
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  Speaker 4: like car accidents. I'm surprised with the way people text
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  Speaker 4: and drive, how fucking like, you know, distracted and checked
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  Speaker 4: out and on drugs.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody that I've ever.
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  Speaker 4: Met is all the time that there's not a fucking
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  Speaker 4: car accident every second of every day. The horrible, horrible
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  Speaker 4: horrors of corporate America being as they are, you'd think
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  Speaker 4: that like these people would be bleeding in the streets
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  Speaker 4: every Thursday. So it's kind of crazy that it like
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  Speaker 4: is a huge I don't know, at least it feels
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  Speaker 4: that way to me, that it's like so kind rare
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  Speaker 4: that someone actually does take this.
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  Speaker 3: Into their own hands. But I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of hard to blame someone for feeling that
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  Speaker 4: electoral politics has failed them at this point. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when we said we were going to fix this with
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  Speaker 4: Obamacare in two thousand and eight, and that was supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be like a big first step, and it didn't
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  Speaker 4: happen till halfway through twenty ten, and then it was
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  Speaker 4: kind of lame, and then we.
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  Speaker 3: Fucked it up for like a decade and a half.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, well, what do you think, Yeah, you think
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  Speaker 4: we're going to write another letter to Elizabeth Warren.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We talked about this on the you Don't Even
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  Speaker 1: Like This Show podcast this week also, but very briefly,
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  Speaker 1: and Jeff mentioned he's been saying for a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years now that he's surprised there's not like been a
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  Speaker 1: punisher type of person out there who just yeah, went
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  Speaker 1: after CEOs or health insurance people.
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  Speaker 3: I see it as a growing demographic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be surprised if this doesn't continue, because,
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  Speaker 1: especially given the reaction he got online, that's gonna spark
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  Speaker 1: the interest of a lot of people who are looking
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  Speaker 1: for exactly that sort of attention. And we do got
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  Speaker 1: all these guns. There's so many.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, we just have them lying around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we gonna do with them all?
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  Speaker 3: We got like eight guns for every guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when guns will be made illegal. When fucking
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  Speaker 1: corporate America starts getting it, then there will be action
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  Speaker 1: on guns.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know, a bunch of a bunch of kids
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  Speaker 3: in Sandy Hook.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, well, you know the Hunters, eight white guys
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  Speaker 4: with a net worth equal to that of Rhode Islands. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I mean because these guns, I mean it gets the
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  Speaker 4: twenty first century.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then they'll just move to like lobby
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  Speaker 1: to loosen gun laws in other countries so they can
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  Speaker 1: just sell them a little more freely there. So yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: the online reaction to this, it was a lot of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: jokes about pre existing conditions, which you're gonna have to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: see that coming, and on the other side of that,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people being highly offended that people were
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: making those jokes. I said also on you don't even
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: like this show episode. I'm not really a go on
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: social media and joke about someone dying or almost dying,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: but I get it when people do.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you have no other outlets for catharsis available to you.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: You know, you see one of the people fucking you
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: over get their fucking head exploded, It's like, well, well
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: can I never celebrate?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean people do celebrate death and murder,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like whenever you know, a serial killer dies. When Jeffrey
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Dahmer got beat to death in prison, there were jokes
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: about that. No one was mad. This guy kind of
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: put up more numbers than Jeffrey Dahmer, just in a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: different way.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Well, lot's so much like I don't know's it picked
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: better targets. I think we can all on that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Definitely a process killer as opposed to a product killer.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: There. Yeah, this guy, I.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Hope he's I hope he's I hope he's like, damn
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: made it all the way. Where did they catch him?
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: In Texas? Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Like d made it all the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: way to Pennsylvania.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Not bad, Luigi.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, caught in a McDonald's. Someone recognized his face.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe he wouldn't be sick if he would eat
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: some real food at him.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: So maybe it's his fault. Yeah, not taking care of himself.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: It's a great point. According to the BBC, they did
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a kind of deep dive into all of the online response.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: This was the one issue, seemingly in twenty twenty four
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that was able to unite the left in the right,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they said, it just covered the entire political spectrum in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: terms of people who were like, fucking had it coming.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, it's the feel good story of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the year.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And that makes sense because the way insurance companies kill people,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really discriminate. I mean it does in that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: if you're rich, it doesn't matter, like none of this
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: is gonna matter. You can just pay for your health
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: care and you don't give a shit. But everyone else,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the level of rich you have
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to be to where medical debt couldn't ruin your life,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: but you got to be pretty fucking rich beyond that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: If you get the wrong illness, no matter how much
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: money you got, the way health insurance works right now,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you're going to give most of that to the fucking doctors.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize I don't have like Illuminati writers' killed
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: health insurance at the moment, But when I had it,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't even I didn't realize how bad, just regular
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: like my parents' Kaiser health insurance that I had till
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I was twenty six. Was was like, oh, I didn't
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: realize that that is even pretty shitty until I had
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: like the good stuff, and then knowing there's a level
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: of care above that, It's like, you know, this guy,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: his family's like, oh, and it's a shame he was
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: he was a little too far away from the elysium pod.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: If we could have gotten them into the tank full
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: of a chlorophilic goo, we could have three D printed
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: him another liver and skin cells for this whole thing
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: would have been fine. But it's like there's like it
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: used to be like, Okay, there's two Americas.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Now now it's there's like four. It's like more.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: It's like Mormon Heaven and most of us are just
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: in the bottom shit pile, you know, crawing over each other.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I've worked for health insurance companies before I write, Before
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I quit to start writing and doing comedy full time,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I was working in health insurance for more than ten years.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that's what you were doing during that era. Yeah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: during the era of all your Milwaukee concert stories.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I did that for more than ten
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: years and a lot of it was in claims processing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And these motherfuckers are as evil as advertised.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: It's not called medical coding and chilling.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's the thing. Remember when Obamacare was being
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: pushed and they were talking about death panels, and yes,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be this panel of people who review your
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: case and decide if you live or die. That already exists.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Every insurance company I've worked for has it's called the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: medical review panel. And they just if there's a high
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: dollar claim that comes in, they fucking scour that claim
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and look for reasons to not pay it. And it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was especially easy when pre existing conditions were a thing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: You would get health insurance and say you had diabetes.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people know exactly how pre existing
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: conditions work. You would have basically you could get insurance,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but that particular need would be excluded from your coverage.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So you could get health insurance, you just couldn't use
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it for your.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Diabet like a driver's license you can't use in Florida
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: or Arkansas.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an insane bargain that people would have
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to make. Or you could go into what was called
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the high risk.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Pool, any public pool likely to be pissed.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Which meant, yeah, we'll give you insurance, but it's gonna
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be like fifteen hundred dollars a month. And this was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in like early two.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Thousands, yeah, two and six dollars.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean Obamacare at least has removed that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: aspect from health insurance, which is good. But now they
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: just get around it with prior authorization and shit like
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that and denying claims that way. That's an insurance company's job,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and every one of them has a team of nurses
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: who are looking at your claims to decide if there's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a reason they cannot pay them. One of the examples
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that stands out to me from when I worked in insurance,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this guy had a heart attack in Jamaica, and obviously
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he's not cognizant to make his own decisions and whatnot.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So he has this heart attack in Jamaica, wakes up
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in Florida. Turns out the care he needed wasn't really
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: available in Jamaica, so they airlifted him to Florida. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this health insurance company I worked for thought so hard
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to not pay that helicopter bill because he didn't get
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it authorized. And it's like, how is this man supposed
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to get this authorized. He's actively having a heart attack.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: He's not fucking John Mellencamp, who, like Jeane, smoked his
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: way through a heart attack once and they would just
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: look for shit like that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Did that guy end up getting it authorized?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like that carried on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, Like it carried on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: For months and months, and it was like fifteen thousand dollars,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: which to that company would have been fucking nothing to pay.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: To that guy. And now he's an indentured servant for
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the rest of his life.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean had a heart attack. I'm assuming
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: he was older, like probably maybe not even working anymore.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Like he doesn't need a fucking fifteen thousand dollars helicopter
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: bill on his hands. But that's what these fucking insurance companies.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do health insurance, not so much helicopter insurance.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Sorry I did.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this on the You Don't Even Like This
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Show episode, But there was another instance where that same
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: team and nurses, this guy took an ambulance to the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: hospital and one of these nurses wanted to get medical
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: records to see if it was possible that a friend
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: or family member could have driven them to the hospital
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: instead of them taking an ambulance.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And it's like medical records of you having a friend,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: We need proof you don't have friends that could have
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: driven you. Well, yeah, what do I show you my
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: wark hammered four K figurines? What the fuck do you
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: want for me? So it's like when they it's like
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: when they want me to prove my income when I
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: had no income, It's like, uh, do I pull out.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: My pocket and a fly comes out?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: What do you?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: What do I need? How do I show this to you?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I get it. It shouldn't surprise anyone that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: people are this mad about health insurance and healthcare in
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: this country. There was a whole Denzel Washington movie about
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it in the early two thousands called John Q.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: And he doesn't and he doesn't get behind the fucking
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: He doesn't get behind something unless it's got some juice.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: All right, that's a leading man.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, goddamn right. So that's gonna make people mad. Putting
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a dollar value on human lives. And it's a form
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of violence in and of itself. It's happening from behind
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a desk and by way of paperwork and shit. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that's still pretty violent to just let someone die be
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: because they didn't request the right authorization, didn't go to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the right doctor, any number of things that medical claims
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: get denied for all the time, all the time.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And we have a really strange system which necessitates this
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: enterprise in the first place, where I'm like somewhat sympathetic
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: to the points in general of someone going, well, X
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: person didn't do something, why person would just do it instead?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: But it's more about like why why are we doing
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: X thing when we could be doing why thing? Like
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: it really it really makes no sense to have like
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a private system of healthcare.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Like we have.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: No there is no meaningful alteration or debate around addressing it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know this is it's kind of like, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: it's like why are people in hamas well?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Did anything else work? Ever? Yeah?
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Are we literally down to like some dark Knight returns
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: You can't kill an idea?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Shit? Perhaps?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean people are gonna get fucking desperate
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and shit like this is gonna happens.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm repeating the same point over and
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: over again. But I mean it's just probably the same
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: circuitoust maddening conversation that would lead someone to leave their
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: hometown and go kill a healthcare ceo. You know it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you just find yourself talking in circles about your ever
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: shrinking wallet in life.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Manngioni, after he committed this shooting, gets on
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a bus. It seems from the port authority. Seems like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: he went straight to Altuna because he they said he
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: arrived in Altuna on a Greyhound bus. He took a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: cab to the port authority in New York.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And that sounds like a song from Nebraska. He arrived
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in a tune on a great out bus.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah it does. And yeah, yeah, I'm wearing a Steve
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Earl shirt right now. If anyone's going to write a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: song about this dude, it'll.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Be uh the guy called the copper Well, yeah, you.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Wrote Copperhead Road, but also uh, John Walker's Blues, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was a song about that American Taliban kid.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: And I was just going to say it's gonna be
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: called Copperhead showed. But is this guy's that he's chowed?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah. For a while there they thought the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: gun he used was purchased in Connecticut, and nope, just
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: someone else happened to buy a similar gun in Connecticut.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Around the same time. They got lots of surveillance video
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of this guy, but it was also pretty clear that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he at least somewhat understood the surveillance state and how
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: it works. He did a mostly good job of keeping
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: his face covered, which.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they said he only lowered his mask for what reason.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the way we got a picture of his whole
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: face is he was flirting with a girl at the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: front counter of the hostel he.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Checked into perspect.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She apparently said she wanted to see his smile, so
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he took masked down And I feel like that's kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: of how he got caught.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know, death by Riz.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: His dad before he went to go kill and was like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: damn it, son, I can't stop you from trying to
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: avenge what they did to mom. But don't go chasing
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: pussy and get yourself in trouble now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I won't, Dad, I'll just kill him and come right back.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So I read an interview with a former bodyguard of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Ryan Thompson and he said it was kind of baffling
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that there was no security around this guy, which when
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I read that, that was another thing that made me
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: for a second think like, man, maybe someone killed him
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: for something else, and it's just trying to make it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: look like it's an angry consumer, but clearly that's what
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: got him killed.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna try to paint this guy's
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: motives like, Yeah, this guy's a huge fan of Kinzer, right,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Know, it's weird. No one knows what he's mad fucking bozo.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from Philip Klein, that former bodyguard,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: speaking to CNN. It was baffling, to be honest with you.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: You know, you get at somebody in the number one
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: healthcare organization in the United States of America who is
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a corporate executive, a high ranking one as a matter
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of fact, and he has no protection around him. That
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is just baffling. End quote.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Oh he's highly ranked, alright, but high ranking. Sorry.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was for the gathering of English professors next week.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe his prior authorization for security got turned down, you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Know, maybe he had a pre existing condition of being
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: a cocky dumbfuck. We didn't think he was going to
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: get god.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And the other speculation is that maybe it was just
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: a personal choice and he didn't like having security follow
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: him around, which should have gotten used to it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Bud. I actually like being dead Chiller. It's like more
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: more of an open concept.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: What did you think about the backpack when they found
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the backpack in Central Park and it was just stuffed
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: with monopoly money?
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I mean again, the guy rules, he was playing to
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the he was like every moment where he had an
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: opportunity to make this fun for us, he did. He
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: wrote some fun stuff on the bullet casings left behind
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the bullshit clue full of a disrespectful prop.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's just it's great.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: It reminds me a lot of Colton Harris Moore, the
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: barefoot bandit that took his own mugshot when he used
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: to go rob like rich families in Santa Barbara and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: steel airplanes and shit.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he definitely put on a show. Also, speaking
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of Santa Barbara, this guy's last employment was in Santa Monica. Apparently.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Oh no shit, I might have bumped into him at
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the what's them all out there? I don't know the grove.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I hate Santa Monica.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: No, not the grove, the.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Groves in the Fairfax, but that they have one out there,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: maybe not.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: The Third Street Promenade is in.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the fucking third Street Promenade.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I lived in Santa Monica when I first moved
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to LA, but it's because my office was in Santa
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Monica and all I had ever heard about LA was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: how fucking crazy the traffic was. So I was like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to live by my office and pay
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a little more and not drive. And turned out to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: be a good decision because I didn't have a commute
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to fucking wear me out when I first got to La.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: La commute it'll kill you, but let's save that for
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: our local Gripes podcast. That's the next conspiracy put. The
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: show is all the Las anyway.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the monopoly money, that was a fun touch.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: That was love that interesting. Had a Tommy Hill figure
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: jacket in there also. I don't know if that was
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a message or just fashion choice.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Might have just been planning to change jackets.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he appreciates Tommy Hill Figure's stance on Axel Rose,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: which is that Tommy Hill figure punched Axel Rose in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the fucking face once. That is one of my favorite
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: stories of all time.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: That doesn't rule Yeah on what grounds? I mean, I'm
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: sure they were justified, but.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Axel Rose did something shitty toward Tommy hill Figure's girlfriend
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like moved her drink or something, or like knocked her
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: drink over, and it turned into an argument and Tommy
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: hill Figer fucking punched him in the face.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude, imagine.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Getting beat up by Tommy hill Figure.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: That guy's been stocked in them all since I was five.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: All Right, you gotta fight for that kind of placement.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: A lot of brands have come and gone. You remember
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Lucky Jeans, I don't. Do you remember Anchor Blue? Yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: nobody does.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So this shooting has health insurance companies and their leadership
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: types a little nervous about, you know, also getting targeted.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It's obviously not going to be this guy because he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: had to stop at that McDonald's in Altoona and just
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: sit there and eat. That is bold. Why not eat
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: at home or in your car or something.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe he's I don't know how, like not,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know how planning on? Does this seem like
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: you could get away with it? Like this guy was like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I'll try to get away with it, but I'm not
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: gonna go crazy, like I know, yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna skip my egg McMuffin.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Over at a certain point, I guess I would probably
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: feel like I'm a dead man. My legs are tired.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I'm tired of being in this fucking car. I eat
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: this fucking McMuffin.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, could be. But now all of these insurance companies
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: are removing all of their leadership information from their websites.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: United Health Group, for example, remove the our leader's page
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: from their site. I mean, they got to update it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: If nothing else.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: This is I got to say, this is just smart,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: This is just good good webmastering.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Really, I mean, it was dumb to have your leadership
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: information out there in the first place.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you think about it, Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Do gun companies do that? I bet they don't.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And was it And the person who that was for,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I guess like some fucking boring, fundamental investor who's going
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: on their website, Like, let me see if I know
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: anyone that you know Bermann Stearns back from Yale's on
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the team or what like, that person will just fucking
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: know this shit anyway, you know, the clued into that world.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could just make a call and get that information.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. All of this information is public.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: If you're a corporation. Your leadership information is out there,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: but it is still smart of them to go in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and remove it from their website. At least make it
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: a challenge to find.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of these guys, you know what, they've
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: been googling all days? How do I get my house
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: off Google Earth's the money is no object? How do
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: I get my house off Google Earth?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that is possible.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I opened a YouTube video that seemed to suggest that
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: there was a cottage industry for doing it, but I don't.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I did not.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I can't give you any more info than that. It's
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: curious watch this space.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You should at least be able to request a flyover
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to change what it looks like. Throw big tarp over
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: your house or something.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: If you can cover the cost to the camera. It's like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: let me give me, let me do another. They let
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: you redo your passport photo. I mean, let me what's
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: the difference or your Google street view? Sometimes your Google
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: street view it makes you look like a real fucking
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: white trash piece of shit, even though you're a respectable family.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: We don't usually have cars on the lawn. That was
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: like a one day thing.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I do love that when there's just shit happening in
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a Google street View image.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a couple getting divorced. A guy washes
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: his civic so yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: A bunch of other companies have done similar things. Anthem,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: which is currently known as Elevants, redirected their senior leadership
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: page back to the company homepage. CVS Health, which owns Etna,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: no longer includes pictures of their leadership team, but again,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that information's already out there. There was also a Midwest
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: focused insurer called Medica that is also based in Minnetonka,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Minnesota shout out to the movie Purple Rain, just like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: United Healthcare, and they have temporarily closed their headquarters until
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at least December thirteenth. You know, those employees are like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: fuck yes, holy shit, work from home rest of the month.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Probably, Oh, they're on a zoom call right now, going
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Louie gue Ge.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of what I like to call the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Golden Age of terrorism in the United States, which is
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: when we had all these active terror groups like the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Weather Underground or whatever they were called. But their whole
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: thing was like blowing up buildings after hours when there
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: was no one inside, just to like make a point.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: As opposed to killing people.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Kind of like what the IRA would do.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like imagine being one of those employees and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: walk up in your workplace is just rubble. You're like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this's what hey off? Hell yeah?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And get this.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: When we come back at the new building, we all
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: get new chairs.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yea, God, I hated those chairs.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Merry Christmas to those employees getting to work
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: from home until thirteenth. I bet they like that because,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: especially an area like that, the commute this time of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: year treacherous, treacherous. So I love this. This This is
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: American as fuck. The jacket this guy was wearing in
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: these pictures has been identified and is just flying off
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the shelves because here's what happened. Internet sleuths. There are
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: some good ones out there who actually do a decent
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: job of tracking down and identifying people. They were very
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: hesitant to take on this case or help the police
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: in any way. Here is a quote from Savannah Sparks
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: one point three million followers. We're pretty apathetic towards that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And she also, when asked if she thought others in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: her community were gonna help, said absolutely the fuck not.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Damn love to see it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: There is also that dnesh guy two million followers on
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: TikTok his quote, I don't have to encourage violence. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: don't have to condone violence by any means. But I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: also don't have to help end.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Quote fair point.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very fair. And the ones who have tried
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to help are getting called snitches by their peers, like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: TikTok user tizzy is that who tweet?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: No, this was this, this, This is some of the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: strange people that kind of came out of the woodwork
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: that are you know, oh, I have something to contribute
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: that could help to find this person. You know, like
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: we see on social media when stuff happens now is
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: this guy comes out and he's like, I'm pretty sure
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I know which bike he used, A ticky road it
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: to Central Park. It's pretty much impossible that could be
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: any other bike. I know this because I happened to
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: continuously scrape city bike data every minute and people were
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: like what, And I guess he's just some data nerd.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And I think he was, like I had a wholesome
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: a a visualization experiment in mind, is what he said.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Like he was just going to show that people take
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: the bike more often during the summertime or some shit
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: But he just was had all this data.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: And then it was like, oh, fucker, I can use
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: this in like the crime of the Year or the
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: decade or whatever the fuck. So, I don't know, we
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: get to get some weird characters that come out of
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the wood work with this stuff. We never we never
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: would have heard about city Bike guy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it turns out he's super duper wrong. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think was he Yeah? I think City Bike themselves came
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: out and we're like, nope, not us.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Well, damn love it. He's not even good at scraping
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: city bike data. He's got spreadsheet after spreadsheet of useless data.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry I put that in the doc.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Then the Internet slups did manage to figure out one thing,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: which is the jacket that Manngioni was wearing in that photo.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Speculation is it's a Levi's shirt aligned two pocket hooded
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: trucker jacket. Macy's retail price two hundred and twenty five dollars.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It would be so funny if it was Macy's that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: actually started that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get one of their employees to post like, yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I think I identified the jacket and it's on sale.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: It goes great with these jeans.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: This is gonna be This is some hype beast lingo,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: so forgive me, but this is gonna be the first
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: general release Levi's jacket to ever flip for a profit
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: on stock X.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Like I could see that shit you can just buy
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: at the mall.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: That like foot Locker doesn't generally resell on the aftermarket
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: at all. But this is going to be like a
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: hot commodity. Like, dude, I got the serial killer Levi's
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: bro I should buy one right now before they fucking
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: sell out.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Frankly, Yeah, this is my whole deal.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: At the time the article will link to about it
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: was written, they had sold seven hundred of them in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours, which love it. I imagine that's a lot.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I doubt they're cranking out seven hundred of any one
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: jacket in forty eight hours. Usually.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: This is our generation's version of Beatle haircuts. This is
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the closest we're going to get. This is Kanye West
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: shutter shades.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: It's stuff. It's only for assassins now.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it is a cool jacket.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's good.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I like work where you know i'd wear it he
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: was obviously doing a lot of cross country driving. You
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: need a truck or jacket when you're on the run
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: from the law.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: And that would have been where the episode ended. But again,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: as we mentioned, he was caught this morning. Probably right now,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the guy they caught is being held on gun charges
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in Altoona, but the NYPD is on their way.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Yeahow I saw some some more lay breaking news. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: think this is more interesting than the city bike thing.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: The header photo on this guy's Twitter is the X
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: ray of a back with like three spikes in it,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: three pins or something. And his good Reads account includes
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: the books Crooked Outwitting the Back Pain Industry and Back
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Mechanic by doctor Stewart McGill. So he probably had the
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: fucking pretty, by the way, horrible fucking situation to.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Be doing cross country driving. This guy really hated that CEO.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a back problem and he was like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going from wherever he's from, the new or fuck.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: On a greyhound bus.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: No less, I've done a greyhound from LA to Portland
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: and that's brutal. It's and I was with a perfectly
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: fine twenty two year old back.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I took a greyhound from it would have been Peoria,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Illinois to Madison, Wisconsin, which normally three to four hour drive,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: thirteen hours because of stops. I wanted to die?
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Was this before or after you blew up the Chicken
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Man in Philly the night before? I think my I'm
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: not trying to big dick you out it, but I
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: think mine was thirty hours.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: That's pretty good Kanye song, pretty bad greyhound bus ride?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That is too much. Yeah, you mentioned this guy's good
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Reads page. The Guardian went out and found a bunch
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: of his writings on good Reads. For one thing, he
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: left a glowing review of Ted Kazinski's in Industrial Society
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and Its Future, called it a book clearly written by
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a mathematics prodigy. Here's the thing, it's not the first
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: time I've heard Ted Kazinski knows how to write.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's my favorite, Drew Michael joke. What do
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: you do when you read.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Ted Kazinsky's manifesto and you find out it's really good?
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: You have to be the guy at the party who's
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: like a unibomber head.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we review this book for the pod?
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Adam, Yes, we fucking should. I know a lot of
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: what's in it. I haven't sat down and read it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: I will absolutely read it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right, web, that's an assignment everybody.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: That would be a good, uh, that'd be a good
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: little spin off show for the show Conspiracy Book Club.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm into it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: You got that one book, the band CIA book. That's
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: that you can't even get on eBay. You've got to
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: memorialize that shit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the de lies
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: to bind us or something.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I did a couple episodes about one CIA book,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the one that the government tried to censor. They did
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: get it censored.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: In Yeah, that's the one I was talking about.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so yeah, he leaves this glowing review of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Ted Kazinski's book, but that is not the most interesting
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: part of his review. I'm sorry this is gonna be
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit long, but so is the review. Here
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: are a few quotes up. First, he was a violent
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: individual rightly imprisoned who maimed innocent people. While these actions
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: tend to be characterized as those of a crazy ludite, however,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: political revolutionary. And then he's got another quote. These companies
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: don't care about you, or your kids or your grandkids.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: a buck, so why should we have any qualms about
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: burning them down to survive? And last quote, we're animals
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: just like everything else on this planet, except we've forgotten
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the law of the jungle and bend over for our
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: fight to the death for their survival. Violence never solved
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: anything is a statement uttered by cowards and predators. Damn.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: So, I guess we'll never know why he did it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: That's crazy, no clues.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Probably Bernie Sanders bro So.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's our episode that is as up to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: date as the news about this gets for right now.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be completely fucking different by the time
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: this goes up in the morning, But who knows. We'll see.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: In the meantime. What do we have to plug before
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: we get out of here? My solo podcast is actually
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: back in broad daylight. I have an episode up on
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: YouTube right now about how a twenty two hundred dollars
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Christian d Or handbag led to martial law in South Korea.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It is pretty fucking fascinating. Check that out at Adam
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Toddbrown dot substack dot com. You can get it on
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: YouTube a Adam Todd Brown Comedy or wherever podcasts are
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: at if you would rather watch with your list and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: eyes aka your ears connor what do you got to plug?
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: I want to plug Adams Podcast because Adams Podcast is
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: for conspiracy theories, but like pitchfork dot.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Com used to be for music.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: If you want to know what the next big conspiracy
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: theories are going to be before they hit the streets
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: and QAnon starts fucking mucking them up, you get it
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: straight from the source and you go to the Adam
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Todd Brown and broad Daylight podcast. As for me, you
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: can listen to my comedy variety podcast, Mean Boys, which
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: features topical games, monologue, jokes, sketches and other fun bits
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: for your comedy enjoyment. I have comedy specials you can
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: watch on my YouTube channel conomer Spad and on YouTube.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Jokes about fucking is the main ones. Check that out.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Got a bunch of comedy albums on Spotify. And this
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: might not be out by the time this drops, but
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I'm releasing a fake cassette that has a USB drive
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: inside of it with all of my albums on there
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: so you can get those, and like thirty minutes of
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: jokes that I won't put on the internets that are
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: exclusive to the cassettes.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: That is really fucking cool.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks Dog, and let's get the fuck.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Out of here. Connors say goodbye.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Goodbye everybody, goodbye everybody.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: We love you.