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Brett Keane | Full Debate | @MattPowellOFFICIAL VS Atheist Jones | @brettkeane Moderates · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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All right, 10 9 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keen from God TV
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radio. I hope you're all having a
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blessed day out there. We've got mr.
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Jones, 1972, and net power with us.
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We've got a concept Here, an email that Matt Hal gave, he
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says he wants to do 10-minute openings.
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Eight-minute. Rebuttals 30-minute open
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discussion. Five minute, closing statements,
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and perhaps a Q&A. How do you feel about that mr.
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Jones. Absolutely fine your call it
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that? Yeah.
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All right. If you would like to, you can
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start. If you want to, you have 10
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minutes to do your opening. Right time?
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Can I see a screen? I think I recorded a 10-minute
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about seven minute opening statement yesterday.
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So let's see how this goes. I got a sec.
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Whoop. Matt, is it okay if we wait
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until he shares and then start this time?
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Sure. No problem.
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Alrighty. Thoughts.
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Again. We go share screen video, file.
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Okay, we go. All right, let's see what we got
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here. This isn't going to be some
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nasty stuff, is it? No, it's just me talking and a
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couple of photos and I have credited photos on internet.
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The first one, I think that my knowledge.
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Yeah, it was everything ready. Well, it's Sharon on the screen,
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you're given a wonderful smile. All right?
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All right. Okay.
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Hey, that's my buddy. Aaron Ron the background over
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here. Hey, Shin is extremely limited.
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I don't know. I've never claimed to be.
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I don't know why it's jumping about to it.
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There we go, expert on the subject nor have I claimed to
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have studied the subject to any. I don't like it sparse in, I'm
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awfully. Sorry.
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Why is it falls you? I have no idea perhaps it's
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because you're running your video and run that.
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At the same time. It can be tough.
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I will try and fix it if not. Let's of a sort of the bash at
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this. Now, I gotta warn you both $5
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for textbooks or tears. I got to have standard in light
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of this step. It's not going to work, is it?
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I don't think. Bling Revelation.
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I must put my hands on. Put my trust in the hands of the
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experts. It's not the rabbit is it?
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Yeah, it looks like it's having a rough time there.
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You have an idea of what it is that you were wanting to talk
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about their mr. Jones.
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Yep. I'm still got me a bit of a
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script written down. I have nothing to my computer's
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Frozen. I don't believe this, I don't
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know. So I'll stop sharing and then
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I'll just stand. What the heck?
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Oh boy. No, in the beginning.
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Well, we're still here for you there.
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Mr. Jones. We do love you.
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Thank you funky. Another screens.
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Don't block. Okay, he's going to have to
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probably refresh and get that going.
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So how's your day been, how's the family?
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It's been good man. Too blessed to be stressed been
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pretty busy. I didn't have a lot of time to
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prepare for this discussion, so hopefully it goes.
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Well, I pretty much have a, an idea of what he's going to try
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to argue. He wanted to do like a
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discussion. He actually wanted a initially
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wanted to debate. On the subject of did dinosaurs
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for himself to death monkeys, surfing from Africa, South
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America, 34 million years ago. And so, I'm looking forward to
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it. Looking forward to what he has
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to say. But I've been well man, how
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about you? I just don't understand what the
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problem with you surfing monkeys.
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That seems to make logical sense of the monkey can surf and
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seaweed 4,000 miles of the ocean with sharks in the water and
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everything. But absolutely, yeah, that's
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funny that. Yeah, that is what that what
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that is. What one of them said was that
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that the monkeys actually served on seaweed across the ocean.
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So I thought that was pretty interesting but I guess I guess
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we'll see what mr. Jones has to say.
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Say that was what he wanted a challenge me on.
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So looking forward to it. Well, he may have to go through
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a whole reloading of his computer and all that, why?
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Wait a minute, oh, There he is. Hey, your arms come back.
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Let me share this video. If Logan am I audible signal?
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You sound great? Loud and clear.
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All right, so we give them the time again or how, how do we
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handle this? It's up to you guys.
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I miss you. That's my nose.
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Age of evolution is extremely Limited.
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Mr. Jones, never claimed to be an expert on the subject nor
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have I cleanse. Come on baby.
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Come on. So are you trying to make a
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promise? Not to use profanity.
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I can't promise that. All because of this damn thing
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academics. My advice would probably be to
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like, download the video and play it a fling Revelation.
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I must put my hands on. Put Mr. Jones, my nearest in the
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hands of the experts. Matthew Jones?
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Can you hear us, right? Am I started called evil?
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And now let's let's try it in if possible.
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It's okay, take your time, no problem.
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I don't believe this. Oh yeah.
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Come on. Ladies and Gentlemen, please be
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patient with this. We're doing the best we can.
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Oh yes, oh yes. All right.
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Am I audible to everyone? Yes, we can hear you good good
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good right after we may want me to stay and some awfully Sorry,
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video for one thing to another isn't playing.
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So my opening statement. Now, I am the first to admit
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that my knowledge of evolution is extremely limited.
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I have never claimed to be an expert on the subject, not a
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bike. And to have studied the subject
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to any academic standard in light of this startling
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Revelation, I must put my trust in the hands of the experts and
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list evidence that has convinced me that evolution is true and
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scientifically accurate. I say this with absolute
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confidence, Isaiah found no evidence to explain how life
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evolved other than the theory of evolution.
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My first piece of evidence is Transitional fossils and
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probably the best and most famous disease of these is the
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Optics. I did awesome slides but I'm not
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going to risk putting slides up a genus of bird-like dinosaurs
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that were between 150 and 125 million years ago in the early
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tie thorny and stage in The Lakes Jurassic Period,
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paleontologists view Archaeopteryx, as a
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transitional, fossil between dinosaurs and modern Birds.
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I did have a slide but again, I'm not going to list it.
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Hey, I think we know the actual text and modern birds are
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related. Well feathers, for instance
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Wings before cooler, which is a wishbone and reduce Which is
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fingers are all characteristics of modern Birds.
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Again, I did have an image and in conclusion, there are enough
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similarities between a key objects of modern Birds, to
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convince paleontologists that they are indeed related.
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Another example of a transitional species is
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pakicetus. We do know through fossil
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records at pakicetus once walked on land but how is it related to
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modern day? Whales pakicetus was discovered
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in Pakistan, lived, During the eocene period, approximately 15
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million years ago. And although it primarily
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primarily lives this life on land, it is leat as a whale
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relative through its unique inner ear shape.
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Only whales have such an unfair advantage and hands to region of
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the are cold and auditory bulla and pakicetus have this to this
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image Etc. I did have an image and it shows
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the evolution of pakicetus to whale and a bit more detail.
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And I've always accredited the source of agency As well.
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Also as before, that is enough evidence to convince
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paleontologist that pakicetus is indeed the answer ancestor of
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modern day whales. Now onto why I wanted to have
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this discussion with Martin and thank you, Matt for accepting,
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no answer. Why I really wanted this debate,
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stroke discussion might Powell's claims that Evolution teaches
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that dinosaurs fair to themselves into Extinction.
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It is my opinion that this is simply not the case.
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And I will show evidence. Well I can't you ever deserve a
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minute and one of these sightings isn't one of his
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citations is a woman in addressing game that we don't
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know the name of and simply saying that dinosaur flatulence
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cause an ice age and that's why they died out now.
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Does this woman have a name? But Sharon qualifications.
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I honestly don't know. But going on camera and simply
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saying, dinosaurs, gasps themselves to death is not good
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enough for me. I could make a video right now.
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I couldn't Josh, you guys right now and say a unicorn has just
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flown past my window. It doesn't make it true.
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Another citation that my good friend.
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Liam uphold uses is a clip from a news program that reads an
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article from Fox News. Now The Three Bridges scientist
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in question, you and Gene is BET, dr.
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Graham ruxin from st. Andrews University in call
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researcher David Wilkinson from Liverpool.
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John Moores University. Did write a paper on dinosaur
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emissions in quotation marks. But nowhere in that paper, does
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it claim that dinosaurs are this caused?
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The extinction of the dinosaurs? I was going to read a summary of
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that paper, but I won't do it. But in the summary it doesn't
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mention dinosaur extinction. Another citation that Matt uses
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is a kid's cartoon. No, I can't find the original
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clip but I did manage to find a video.
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Several seconds longer than the clip that Matt uses in those
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Mystics missing s, it implies that that cartoon is part of a
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longer video. I want the fat segments is just
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part of one part of that video. It lists many different reasons
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of why the dinosaurs died out and fighting dinosaurs is.
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Apparently number 63 are screenshotted at Gamma can't use
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it. And do to do, 'and on the image
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that I was going to show. I've credited Nick, the T-Rex
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sneak. The T-Rex is YouTube channel on
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this channel. It Cause lots of reasons why the
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dinosaurs died out. One example or one video shows a
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dinosaur on a trapeze crazy so it's clear that none of these
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sort of gold theories should be taken.
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Seriously now onto the final reason why I wanted this
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discussion to happen and surfing monkeys think.
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One of our favorite topics fossilized teeth of the UK UK Le
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Pittacus monkey were found in Peru.
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The teeth from a newly discovered species belonging to
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an extinct family of African primates.
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It's known as per repetitive. Just fossils, discovered earlier
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at the same site in Peru offered.
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The first proof that South America monkeys evolved from
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African primates. So how did they get from Africa
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to South America? The theory is, is that they got
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their own floating masses of land.
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Not rafts logs, or lumps of seaweed and because I'm dying.
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I do agree with Matt. The idea sounds implausible and
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a bit Daft, so they got to save Get in my opinion on enormous
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landmasses. I was going to show a video of
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the Panama Canal. Were an enormous landmass is
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floating down with trees and vegetation and the trees are
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still up right now with millions of years ago.
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The seas are a lot lower continents are a bit closer
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together and with favorable, currents and winds.
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There's no doubt in my mind that they couldn't have made that
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journey across the Atlantic. And as you can see, did you do
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for team us right now? Because in light of what I just
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said and I think that it seems plausible that ancient Monk Is
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made the journey from Africa to South America.
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This concludes my opening statement And I can't even pee.
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All right, man. Are you able to did you hear
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what he was saying? Yep.
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Loud and clear. You ready for your opening?
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Sounds, good to me. All right, mr.
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Jones, if you could be, so kind, would you be able to mute your
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mic that way? We don't hear the papers moving
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around the mic. Well, I just want to say thanks
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to mr. Jones for entertaining, sending
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an invitation for discussion on this matter.
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Definitely looking forward to seeing how it's going to pan
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out. So the Bible says, prove all
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things hold fast to that which is good.
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So the Bible commands us to hold fast to the things that are good
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and true, and right, and to prove all things.
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And so in order for something to be science, it has to be
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demonstratable testable and provable.
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Let's just talk a minute about this whole dinosaur spreading
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themselves to that. That theory, right?
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I don't believe this Theory. I don't really know of anybody
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who does other than some people online that are obviously a
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little out there. But people are actually
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promoting this today. That dinosaurs actually tooted
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warm the planet and then they died from global warming.
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So because people have decided to believe this because people
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have decided to teach stuff like this.
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Therefore, I'm going to point it out and it point out why it's
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absurd. I don't believe that Dinosaurs
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part of themselves to death, but some evolutionists are out
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there, proclaiming that dinosaurs.
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And of course. This one guy says, well now that
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you've misrepresented us, we believe they tooted.
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He said, and it warm the planet that sounds even more crazy.
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Okay, so let's check out some of these people that actually claim
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this right climate change and part of their way to extension.
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I think, what's important here is actually that this once and
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for all proves that the Creation Museum in Kentucky is wrong
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because if If dinosaurs were actually farting that much Adam
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and Eve would not have been that close to them hanging out, so I
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just want to. So these people are claiming
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that the creationists are wrong that because dinosaurs past so
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much gas, that warm the environment, and they died from
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the global warming and mr. Jones, and his video series
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called me. A bunch of names made a bunch of
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ad hominem and I appreciate none of the ad hominem is coming to
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this debate and we'll try to keep it that way, but it just
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amazes me that this guy points this out and he takes such issue
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with me over this claim. Dinosaurs farted themselves to
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death? Why are people taking issue with
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me over it? I'm actually combating that
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fiery. Telling people that it is
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ridiculous and saying that certain people are teaching this
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and of course, people are saying, well, you're lying.
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Matt. Nobody says that Dinosaurs part
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of themselves to death. This people all over the place
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saying that I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the
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supposed Theory. And of course, there's a
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scientific paper about how climate change, how the
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dinosaurs sauropods and particular warmed the
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environment. And Then died from the global
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warming. It doesn't say that in the
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paper, the paper itself says that certain Extinction of
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certain megafauna was contributed to methane levels
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being too low. So in the paper, the paper
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itself does mention Extinction. Now, let's talk a little bit
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about what actually made the dinosaurs go extinct according
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to Evolution and that was the asteroid strike in the Yucatan
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Peninsula south of the goal of Gulf of Mexico the chicxulub
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asteroid. Here's the problem with that.
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This asteroid that You spoke of in your videos, mr.
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Jones struck two thousand miles away from heart of the Kill
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Zone. The heart of where all these
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dinosaurs are found catastrophically buried in
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sediment. By the way is 2,000 miles from
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the Yucatan Peninsula. So the chicxulub asteroid, I
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believe that there was an asteroid that struck the
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peninsula but it was a Miss. It's 3,000 miles away.
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You're going to tell me that asteroid that struck two
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thousand miles away from a bunch of dinosaurs is what caused
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their death. Give me a break, but this is
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stuff that you're saying in your videos.
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Now I want to go ahead and just answer a couple of these
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misrepresentations that you brought up in the beginning.
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You said well I don't know much about Evolution but what I I do
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know is that there are transitional fossils.
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Hold on a second. Stephen Gould himself said that
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there are no missing links. The whole chain is missing.
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So, Stephen Jay Gould, who is a professional in theory?
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You say, I trusted professionals.
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That's what the professional say.
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There are no missing links. The whole chain is missing.
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There are no missing links, that's why they're defined as
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the missing links because they are missing.
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And if we are supposedly able to find transitional fossils, we
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should find more transitional fossils than the actual kinds of
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fossils that we find that the species we should see a clear,
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projected clear, speciation from Australopithecus, afarensis,
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Lucy all the way up to Cro-Magnon, man, and peeking
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man. And then all of a sudden you've
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got humans at the end of this line.
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You know, and here's the thing, even if we Grant it, even if I
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grant that, there are homologous structures, that there are
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transitional fossils. Homologous structures are no
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problem for creationism. I have no problem saying that.
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There are certain things that could appear as a transition
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because we build in homologous patterns and God himself of were
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made in the image of God. He probably would have done the
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same thing built Creation in homologous patterns, that's why
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we share DNA with certain animals.
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It doesn't mean we descended from those animals.
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Mol it means that we are all made up of the same material DNA
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stuff. That is vital for life.
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So in the center of the United States, I'm going to kind of go
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for the jugular here, we find the dinosaur Peninsula.
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Now, in the dinosaur, Peninsula contains thousands and thousands
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of dinosaur. Graveyards.
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Now Within These dinosaur, graveyards are thousands of
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dinosaurs. And in particular, we find a
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million square miles of dinosaurs that were
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catastrophically, varied. Let me ask You a question,
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folks? What would cause a million
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square miles of land to get buried catastrophically?
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And for dinosaurs to be buried in Annex fixated position.
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The only way to explain that is Noah's flood.
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These dinosaurs died, Annex fixated positions.
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They were choking on mud as the water was coming in and burying
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them and sediments, they next, they Arts.
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Their next bag. This is a T-Rex fossil of a
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T-Rex that died under 50 feet of sediment and it had suffocated
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to death. There is no other way to explain
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these fossils than the flood of Noah.
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Now, people can try to argue against the flood of Noah.
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They can try to save that. It's not a fact, there's nothing
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more than a fairytale. I heard one guy say, oh, this is
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so crazy. You think that the Earth could
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be flooded? Look, we live in, what's known
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as the water Planet? Hello 71% of the earth is
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currently covered by water. So to say, oh it's so
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superstitious to think that there could have been a global
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flood, that's just absolutely false.
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So I just want to point that out.
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And one of the reasons that we know that these dinosaurs were
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buried in the recent past is because they contain soft
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materials inside the bones. In fact There are 16 types of
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bio organic materials that should have degraded if detox.
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I'm Evolution were true. 16 types, histones blood cells,
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blood vessels hemoglobin in the blood cells.
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You're going to try to say that Iron Cross linking could
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preserve this for 65 million years, that's absolutely false.
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Absolutely false on absolutely every level we know that
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dinosaurs lived recently because of bio organic material that
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would have biodegraded over the Deep time of millions of years.
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I'm not saying all this to come off as some arrogant person or
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something. I know that I speak in a way
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that is just very straightforward and to the
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point. But I would rather offend people
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with the truth than Comfort them with some butter to over
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message. Okay.
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This is the truth. We find over 16 types of bio,
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organic materials skin, pigments blood cells, blood vessels.
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We even find histones inside of dinosaur bones.
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You can't tell me that this lasted for 65 million years
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evidence doesn't lie. And buy organic material will
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always degrade over time. I'm we find plant life inside of
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dinosaurs contained perfectly preserved inside of dinosaur.
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Stomachs even again, is this stuff going to last for 65
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million years? You have to ask yourself that.
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Now, the column that he was appealing to and is open
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statement is known as the geologic column and they say
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that we all evolved from a sponge and that over time over
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generations and variations of change in allele frequencies
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that we all the sudden became human.
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So you go from the goo to you. Due to you and so forth.
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Well, the problem with that is that this geologic column, if
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you have to look closely at the Rock layers, you can tell they
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were all laid down in one event. It's not that there was slow
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long periods of time as these layers were getting laid down
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and the reason that we know that is because these bent Rock
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layers, Brett, how much time do I have left?
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We have a few more minutes. Cool.
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So if you look at the pictures here that I have up on my
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screen, these are bent Rock. Now, what happens if you try to
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bend hard rock, it will break according to Evolution these
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mountains, slowly formed via slope and gradual plate
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tectonics shifts. Well, if that were the case,
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these rocks would be better with not be bent, they would be
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crumbled. Rock you cannot bend Hard Rock
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yet. We find perfectly bent hard,
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rock all across the world in these mountain, in these
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mountain ranges. This is just great evidence that
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these were all laid down and then plate tectonics, push them
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up and then they lithified together all those layers in one
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event. In another reason that we know
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that you can see beautiful photos here of these bent Rock
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layers, we have trees connecting all the layers.
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You can't tell me that these layers were slowly laid down
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over millions of years and they have Paleozoic Mesozoic can
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argue zoek ages, mr. Powell.
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This is all absolutely falsified.
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Absolutely false. In this would wipe out the whole
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idea that we evolved from a sponge as well via transitional
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fossils that they can't even name.
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One, you refer to Archaeopteryx Archaeopteryx and what's the
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other one? There's Archaeopteryx.
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There's also there's also one that they refer to for land to
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land to sea animals. Look, you should be finding
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hundreds of thousands, you to be finding millions of transitional
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fossils. Lucy.
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I believe was a fossil that was found scatter of a bunch of
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different fragments scattered. Over a 200 mile area are two
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mile area and hit. They put it together, they can
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even solve what it was but they just concluded.
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This must be the ancestor of all humans.
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Absolutely false Back on track here.
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You know, we find these polystrate fossils, we find
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whales on mountains, look, this wipes away, the geologic column
26:15
The will is perfectly preserved on top of this California
26:18
mountain here. For example, we find clams in
26:21
the closed position on top of Mount, Everest, 29,000 feet
26:24
above sea elevation. Look, this is absolute proof
26:28
that these things were buried catastrophically because the
26:30
clams were closed and pushed up through the mountain through
26:33
catastrophically tectonic movements that had to be
26:37
catastrophism, identical amounts of c14 and all these coal seams,
26:41
c14 only bass 50,000 years the half-life of 5730 years.
26:45
And if it was truly this Decay rate that they say and truly the
26:50
ages that they say, there would be no c14 and these bottom
26:53
layers. But yet, they all registered to
26:55
statistically the same amount of C-4 team, we find C 14 in
27:00
dinosaur bones as well as, you know, just collagen hemoglobin
27:04
in the blood blood cells, anybody who believes that those
27:07
things would last for 65 million years, you'd have to be golub
27:09
all folks. And I'll end with this point
27:13
when the across to the Earth was broken up like an eggshell and
27:17
subduction of Rapid plate tectonics was going on.
27:21
We would predict that certain of the crust of the Earth would be
27:23
subducted into the mantle and of course would cause catastrophic
27:27
plate tectonics and create the mountains that we see today, but
27:30
one of the things that I'd like mr.
27:32
Jones here to notice, is that we find Cold, slabs of rock that
27:35
sink 500 miles down into Earth's hot, molten mantle that have not
27:40
heated up yet, If slow and gradual plate tectonics was what
27:43
caused those rocks to get there? They would have been uniform
27:45
with the temperature on the ground.
27:46
This is 5,000 degree, molten rock yet.
27:48
There's 10 Mile, thick pieces of cold, rock down in the mantle of
27:52
the Earth. You can't tell me that slow and
27:57
gradual geologic, change, and uniformitarianism is the answer
28:00
naturalism never did any good for science.
28:02
Catastrophism is what best explains.
28:05
Geology catastrophism is what best explains the past.
28:09
And so, the present is not the key to the past, my friends, the
28:12
key to the past, the key to the present is actually the past.
28:16
And so, with that being said, I think I should close out but of
28:21
course, they'll say, well, let's give our side mat.
28:23
What? Out our side.
28:24
Okay, here's your side. Here's how you date rocks.
28:27
You determine the age of the fossils.
28:30
The rocks by. Look at this World Book
28:32
Encyclopedia this is the age of the Rocks.
28:34
May be determined by the fossils found in them, but you determine
28:37
the age of the fossils by finding out the age of which the
28:40
rocks in which they lie. So you date the fossils by the
28:42
Rocks, rocks by the fossils, circular arguments absolutely
28:46
indefensible. Surfing monkeys.
28:48
What's your evidence that these monkey surfed across?
28:51
Their, you found a fossilized tooth fossils mean Burial.
28:56
And how are monkeys going to survive in nine hundred, mile
28:58
Journey back when the continents were closer.
29:00
Even that still 900 miles with no, freshwater sharks in the
29:04
water, currents, that somehow took them across when currents.
29:07
Take you up or down, It's an indefensible position and I
29:12
think that that should be pointed out and made very
29:15
abundantly, clear. God bless.
29:18
All right. Ladies and gentlemen, the next
29:20
section that we're going to be working on here is 30-minute
29:24
open discussion. What where we going to do cross
29:28
or not cross-examination, but Rebels, um, rebuttals so
29:32
eight-minute rebuttals. Okay.
29:34
I was looking at how you had it categorized that 10-minute
29:37
openings eight-minute rebuttals 30-minute open.
29:40
Russian, or do you want to go straight to rebuttals?
29:45
Let's do rebuttals. I'm right, I'm going to see the
29:47
way. Rebuttal sounds good.
29:52
Okay, Evolution teaches and teaching die.
29:57
No fats. No, I didn't learn that, it's
30:00
cool. My children didn't learn that at
30:02
school. I don't know any school.
30:04
That teaches down or fats as part of why the dinosaurs died
30:10
out? I can always find stuff like
30:11
that on YouTube. It's not in any schools that
30:14
I've ever seen before. I only colleges are many
30:16
universities. I never said.
30:19
That you believe that dinosaurs fight themselves to death.
30:22
I said, that's what you said. Evolution teaches.
30:26
I did mention the paper and it doesn't mention dinosaur
30:29
extinction at all. I mention Meteorites.
30:37
Yeah a massive meteorite if you remember the Chernobyl disaster
30:41
back in the 80s that covered thousands and thousands of
30:44
miles. So in my mind an asteroid
30:48
hitting the planet will affect something.
30:50
Thousands of miles away, it will kick up a lot of dust pickup a
30:53
lot of iridium and it will block out the school and that's where
30:56
that's the asteroid Theory which was on the same page.
31:00
As I think that you courted Dinosaur Peninsula.
31:07
As I understand it. That's a creationist invention,
31:12
asphyxiated dinosaurs. Yes.
31:14
That could be one of the one of the things while the dance
31:17
halls. Dominates is a few or several
31:21
massive, volcanic eruptions or obviously a meeting by hitting
31:26
the earth and the and that was asphyxiated.
31:34
If it blocks out the some kicks up a Dost.
31:36
The dust comes down chops, all the dinosaurs and upload that so
31:40
they could have died. Well, the honest answer is, we
31:42
just don't know. Science doesn't get as many
31:45
families. Unfortunately, we got about
31:53
three or four minutes in and I'm hearing a lot of evolution
31:55
bashing. I'm not hearing a lot of God did
31:59
this and here's the proof and here's the evidence that God did
32:03
it. I'm just hearing a lot of
32:04
evolution bashing you mentioned, Lucy Australopithecus afarensis
32:09
know about a million years before that was added.
32:12
The I considered the earliest human of the earliest human
32:18
ancestor. Least human ancestors.
32:20
Wells are mountains before when the Thule Sonic plates,
32:26
collided, and obviously, the Earth is flat.
32:30
Well, could have died on the thing.
32:34
One second, one second. Somebody's got their Mike open
32:38
and it's causing Echoes. We gotta do fix that.
32:41
So we can hear what's being said, clearly, go ahead so many,
32:46
there's no Black Rhinos, for me. We're good now.
32:49
It sounds like there's everything.
32:50
Okay, okay, Wellsville mountains, clams on mountains
32:54
before the mountains formed, they could have died sank to the
32:56
bottom, when they, when they got buried on the statements from
32:59
Rock, and when they Place collided, and the mountains that
33:03
would have pushed the fossils up to the top of the mountain.
33:06
These fossils dating? Yes, radiometric, dating that, I
33:10
don't know much about it. Sometimes fossils are dated
33:13
within the rocks that the founding, but sometimes Elsword
33:16
it fossils completely. On the role using radiometric
33:19
dating. You seem to have a problem with
33:21
circular reasoning and God said he did everything in six days.
33:26
Where does it say this? It says in the Bible is the
33:29
Bible the word of God. Yes, it is again that seems like
33:33
circular reason to me and that's That's I think that's the end of
33:37
my rebuilt. Thank you.
33:40
All right, old man and Matt thanks for thanks for accepting
33:45
or thanks for agreeing to do this.
33:47
Sure thing. Yeah.
33:49
So actually I'm going to just answer your stuff real quick and
33:51
then I'm actually just going to continue this.
33:53
So let's see, schools don't say this.
33:57
Yeah, I never said in this debate that school Earnest
33:59
discussion at schools are out there teaching that to people,
34:01
never said that about the dinosaurs farting themselves to
34:06
death. Let's see that this asteroid you
34:10
said that this asteroid would kick up a lot of dust and that's
34:12
how they got buried was Dustin and maybe some vulcanism
34:16
included. Well, I'm sorry.
34:17
They're Read with sea life, their braids with Crustaceans,
34:20
they're buried with fish. They're buried in mud, a
34:23
sedimentary rock so they were buried in the mud that killed
34:29
them. The mud that was washed up and
34:31
let me ask you a question, folks, what would cause a wave
34:35
to Encompass the entire United States or at least half of the
34:39
United States? What kind of catastrophic events
34:43
would be able to do that and bury those dinosaurs with sea
34:46
life with crustacean? So, that's what you're leaving
34:48
out. Yes, you're taking certain
34:51
things that are accurate. Account is, was it?
34:53
Volcanism? Absolutely.
34:54
There is widespread volcanism during the flood.
34:57
So, of course, we would expect some of that to play into there,
35:00
as well, but the fact that you find sea life in there is kind
35:03
of the Dead Giveaway that it wasn't just some, asteroids,
35:06
striking up a little bit of dust.
35:08
And that, that's how they went extinct, though, they were
35:11
buried with sea creatures. They were buried in the center
35:14
of the United States and they were buried in the heart of a
35:18
Kill Zone via choking on. Mud choking on the mud that
35:25
Barry that buried them. And so, like I said, the expects
35:28
you to positions along with the sea life and Crustaceans that
35:32
are buried with them and fish, it's dead giveaway.
35:35
And then also you mentioned radiometric dating.
35:39
I mean, that was one of the last things that you mentioned
35:41
radiometric, Isotopes can be created in a lab and the next
35:44
day they date as millions of years old.
35:47
So it's radiometric dating. True.
35:49
Absolutely. Not.
35:50
Radiometric dating is 100% false In fact in 1980 Mount st.
35:54
Helens erupted and it created. Igneous lava, that flowed down
35:58
the side of the mountain and when it hits lithified, some
36:01
scientists took in ten years after it had lithified, they
36:05
sense The Rock samples, five different Rock samples to five
36:09
different Laboratories known as the geographic, Laboratories,
36:11
all of our best and the ages that they came back with were
36:15
astounding. The first rock came back is 340
36:18
thousand years old. Now keep in mind, this is Rock
36:21
that's less than 10 years old. It was radiometrically dated the
36:24
second sample came back as 350,000 years old, one sample
36:28
came back as 900,000 years old one sample actually came back as
36:31
7 million years old. Remember this is the the method
36:36
that mr. Jones here, just referenced as
36:38
being reliable method to date the crust of the earth.
36:41
Absolutely false. That last sample came back and
36:43
that study as 2.8 million years old.
36:45
No rock of known age has ever been dated accurately.
36:48
So if we can't rely on radiometric, dating to tell us
36:51
the actual dates of rocks of known age, rocks that have
36:55
lithified in the recent past that we've seen, how can we
36:58
trust him for rocks of unknown age?
37:00
Okay, and then number two, you're assuming that when the
37:03
Rocks solidified, that there was no daughter elements present in
37:05
the Rock. You're assuming that there was
37:07
no contamination, you're consuming that the rate of Decay
37:10
has always been the same as it was in the past as it was in the
37:13
present. So, you're assuming all of these
37:16
things I'm sorry. Science is not based on
37:18
assumptions. Science is based on facts
37:21
statistics that which we've demonstrated to be true.
37:24
So I could not honestly even consider radiometric dating
37:27
because there are so many false assumptions that go into it,
37:30
that completely falsify it, like I said, you can create new
37:33
radiometric Isotopes in And the next day they date.
37:35
As millions of years old, brand new isotopes.
37:41
So if we re sure my screen one more time, guys, I'm just going
37:45
to continue this. So that answer is pretty much
37:47
all the falsehoods that you just spoke in, and this is Miss
37:51
information. I feel like I have to deal with
37:53
this because this is misinformation that constantly
37:56
gets brought up, you didn't address that.
37:57
Monkeys are freshwater animals, they could not drink salt.
38:01
Water would have killed them even pz Myers when he responded
38:04
to me on this matter. He said look, he said these
38:08
monkeys must have been so thirsty.
38:09
Getting off. The raft at Sal at South
38:12
America, it must have been thirsty and hungry.
38:14
Even pz Myers knew that they are not saltwater animals.
38:17
They are freshwater animals. It was salt water back, 34
38:20
million years ago so you have to justify them.
38:22
Surviving over, I believe, 50 days without any water with
38:27
sharks in the water and you got on video and said, surfing
38:31
monkeys surfing dinosaurs Matt it's perfectly plausible.
38:36
My friend. Sometimes II don't know quite
38:43
how to deal with stuff like this.
38:45
These theories that are out there, but I do my best to bring
38:50
my opposition. You know, there's one guy who
38:53
said that they were after Don seaweed that sounds even more
38:55
crazy and I know that's not your position.
38:57
But let's get back on track here.
38:58
Let's talk about some actual legitimate science.
39:01
Now according to your model takes 10,000 years to get a
39:04
fossil to form yet we find fossilized ripples of water.
39:07
Now keep in mind, surface area, smooth out, very Quickly is a
39:11
surface area of water. Ripples going to sit there in
39:13
the ground for 10,000 years waiting to be fossilized?
39:17
Really let that sink in. We find Wasa, fossilized
39:20
raindrops. We find fossilized tracks again,
39:24
these surface areas had to be buried.
39:26
So quickly and protected. So quickly in order to be
39:29
preserved and if I'm incorrect on this, I am compelled by
39:33
reason to change my position. See, that's the difference
39:36
between me and evolution. If I'm wrong, I can change.
39:38
If something with evolution is wrong, it's protected by law and
39:41
cannot be thought outside of within the classroom, if you do
39:45
think outside of it, you will get mines.
39:48
You will get ridiculed, you'll lose your funding.
39:50
People say you're in this for the money, Matt, false.
39:52
If I wanted to be popular, I could come out as an atheist
39:54
tomorrow. You know, one of these
39:56
non-believers and declare their I don't think there is a God.
39:59
I lack belief in God and make a bunch of money.
40:02
Bunch of people support me. Now here's how your model and
40:06
I'm not sure if you're aware of this explains, these tracks that
40:09
are fossilized. They actually expect us to
40:11
believe in the evolution timeline that these dinosaurs
40:15
Dove down into the water and that their Footprints didn't get
40:18
smoothed out by the water. Sometimes I just feel like I
40:25
don't even know what to say. Look, it's like me going back to
40:29
my childhood lake Lake Superior and looking for tracks that I
40:34
had made when I was five, they're not going to be there.
40:36
They would have smoothed out but they expect you to believe in
40:38
this textbook here that those tracks did not gets moved out by
40:41
the water but they did. He just slowly sat there and
40:43
fossilized false your model also says that rodents cross out the
40:47
linic the reason I'm pointing these things out.
40:50
Is because we we are comparing two models here were created.
40:54
Were comparing the creation model to the evolution model.
40:57
You have to prove why creationist false.
40:59
That's what science does is we falsify certain theories?
41:02
We're in this to falsify things. I'm not here to prove creation
41:06
to you, although I could very easily whether you accept it or
41:08
not, you said you're not presenting any proof of
41:10
creation, okay, here's some proof right now.
41:12
The fact that time space and matter is here right now is
41:15
proof that God exists. The fact that you and I are able
41:17
to have this conversation is proof that God exists.
41:20
The fact that matter and energy is around us, is proof that God
41:22
exists or it's proof that nothing cause damage, nothing
41:26
cause nothing to explode or expand, as you guys like to say,
41:30
which is just a hermeneutical game to make it sound a little
41:31
better and then expanded into everything that we have today.
41:36
Either nothing cause the explosion, the beginning or
41:39
somebody created everything in the beginning.
41:42
If there is no God, that means nothing would have had to cause
41:44
nothing to explode. Look, evolution is defined as
41:49
change in allele frequencies over time.
41:52
The sent with inherent modification.
41:54
Look these modifications that were seeing even today are
41:57
deleterious, mutation is even deleterious by the very
42:00
definition of what it even is. So this is information that we
42:04
need to make sure to give Clear examples of and we didn't make
42:08
sure to leave no rock or stone unturned.
42:11
How much time do I have left? Are we pretty much at the end
42:12
here? Mr. Jones, do you feel that you
42:17
have anything to say about what he has said and if you want to
42:21
also come back with whatever he says, it's okay X.
42:26
Okay, so are we doing a 30-minute open discussion?
42:29
At this point, it's up to you guys.
42:33
Really what would you like to have happen here?
42:37
I'm easy. The way I will work around
42:40
anything, I guess let's just go into the open discussion.
42:44
Thunder, I just like to ask. It's not.
42:49
So Evolution doesn't disprove creation, evolution.
42:54
Is like you said, it's descent with inherent genetic
42:57
modification, it really couldn't give a monkey's what creation
43:01
does or if creation exists and I'm still here in a lot of
43:05
evolution bashing, but I'm not hearing any well, I heard your
43:10
version of what of God's your God's existence and that's
43:16
time-space of matter. But couldn't any God of created
43:20
that, or is it just your God? So are you conceding that
43:24
there's a, there's a possibility for God right there.
43:27
Now, I did Once in a discussion with Brett cane, but then I've
43:30
read up on, read up on everything and I still maintain
43:35
that. The Big Bang Theory is the best
43:37
explanation of how the universe. Yeah, but they're new to put.
43:40
Are you saying that it's possible that God created the
43:42
universe? No, I'm asking you.
43:46
Now, I'm asking. I'm asking you.
43:49
I'm saying that just because right, so you debunk evolution.
43:53
Does that prove creation? Well, it proves that we didn't
43:56
get here via mutations. Not just the creation.
44:00
That's what else do you think previously appeared of I am at?
44:03
Absolutely? Because either we appeared via
44:04
magic just out of nowhere poof or we were created.
44:09
If we did not evolve, we were created.
44:11
I mean why isn't it acknowledged right there?
44:14
Well, why isn't the, why isn't there another option?
44:17
Why is it always create another option?
44:19
Even either nothing created the universe or something, created
44:21
the universe. Give another option.
44:24
There is no other God created the devil.
44:27
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's that's what I'm
44:30
saying. I'm saying,
44:58
okay, well, an explosion out of chaos would be defined as this.
45:01
And Stephen Hawking said, and I quote that if the expansion rate
45:04
would have changed by one part out of one hundred thousand
45:06
million million. After the big bang just one
45:08
second after nothing would exist.
45:11
So one out of one hundred thousand million million chances
45:13
is pretty chaotic right now. It is what scientists can be
45:17
wrong. Science.
45:18
Science is a self-correcting process So are you admitting
45:23
now? That is that it is an explosion
45:25
out of chaos, that produced order.
45:27
No, I'm saying this in Rapid expansion out.
45:30
So the Big Bang Theory is rapid expansion from an intensely hot
45:35
dense singularity. So what caused the explosion?
45:41
We don't know. That's the simple answer is, we
45:43
don't know, okay? But what do you think is more
45:45
likely than intelligent design or nothing?
45:48
Causing it to explode? Well, we don't know.
45:51
So we can't we can't say is nothing cause something to
45:55
explored, because we simply don't know what happened, just
45:58
before the big moment just before the Big Bang, we simply
46:01
go to know. So do you believe that
46:02
everything existed all the planets Stars galaxies and
46:06
oceans as energy inside the big bang and infinitely tet.
46:10
Infinitesimally small Dot No, because the Big Bang Theory
46:15
doesn't teach that I've heard you say, I'm, I've heard you say
46:17
on video that, you know, all the water you and of all and averred
46:22
can often say that, you know, all this water and all the
46:25
animals and all the things and all the rest of it were
46:27
condensed into this tiny little dot.
46:30
It's simply not true. The Big Bang Theory.
46:32
It doesn't teach that it was a hot dense, Singularity, that
46:35
rapidly expanded. We didn't even a flight for the
46:38
first 300 thousand years. We didn't even have any stairs
46:41
for millions of years after that.
46:43
No, we obviously know that stars.
46:45
The planets come from staff, so, Stellar Evolution.
46:48
Hadn't taken place. Yet.
46:50
Stellar Evolution not for a few million years.
46:54
Not after that, not for a few million years after the big
46:56
bang. If you give it enough time,
46:58
you'll go from an explosion from an infinitely dense Hat, Point
47:01
to all of time, space and matter not in its present form.
47:06
But over millions of years, these rocks would evolve and
47:10
create themselves, right? Just again, sort of, so you're
47:15
saying that everything in the universe existed via a DOT of
47:18
energy before it was matter. Exploded and created matter.
47:25
Thanks funded. We didn't seem enough created
47:28
matter. Yeah, we didn't seem enough, you
47:30
moxa for. I think millions of years.
47:33
I can't remember the exact timeline, but it created
47:38
electrons right at the start of big bang, they started.
47:42
Is Amanda was around instead of creating atoms atoms and stuff
47:46
and that created matter. And then it went well created
47:50
forming matter and then that's, that's generally how it did it,
47:54
okay? So then millions and millions of
47:56
years later after the two million years of rainfall and we
47:59
have the primordial soup come into play.
48:01
I heard you seen a video that it was likely that lightning struck
48:05
Earth, and that was where the first single-celled organism
48:08
emerged. It's not that your position.
48:10
One of the things, So don't you, what happens?
48:15
What would happen if lightning was to strike one of us right
48:17
now, isn't that deleterious by definition?
48:19
Wouldn't that destroy anything? That's living in the premises?
48:22
Or anything that could possibly live in the future?
48:25
Yeah, well, it's wait. Yes, it will bolt.
48:28
So, how is that? How is that evidence of
48:31
abiogenesis? How is lightning striking mud.
48:34
Something that is deleterious by the very definition, going to
48:38
somehow assemble a cell. Well, do you know do you not
48:42
think that? I'm sorry, Brett will sign.
48:48
Science is a self-correcting process.
48:50
Yes it says have you ever noticed that after after a
48:55
lightning storm that suddenly yet your plants grow and an
48:59
exponential rate? I've noticed this in my garden
49:03
lightning strikes, the ground and then you know the plant step
49:06
straighten out of nowhere. That's what I really do.
49:11
We have any examples of Life coming from non-life in
49:13
specifically, lightning hits the air.
49:16
No, no, no. That's that's the, that's
49:18
another theory all together. Either the, the theory that I
49:21
happen to trust is the 21st, which somehow, I don't the way
49:27
it works. I also don't know work, but the
49:29
avenir first and went into DNA and it started forming my very,
49:35
very primitive life. Single-celled organisms.
49:37
If you like, that's the thing that I am too, I am to trust and
49:41
that is actually the theory that most people adhere to, but
49:44
here's the problem, check this out.
49:45
Vertical out, it says the first healthy organic molecules may
49:48
have formed within tiny droplets and all scientists agree pretty
49:52
much for the most part that the creation of life and water
49:55
according to this article, but check this out.
49:57
How does DNA get destroyed? Just Google it.
49:58
Sometime it says, DNA is vulnerable this taken from a
50:01
scientific paper says DNA is vulnerable.
50:04
It breaks down in sunlight and in water what was the RNA world
50:07
like sunlight and water? The very thing that destroys DNA
50:10
you think could assemble DNA via RNA processes No, no, that is
50:18
the claim not less. Well, I'll have to read up on
50:21
that because there's this is a abiogenesis and not so you're
50:24
saying that you believe in this RNA process but you don't even
50:27
know what the RNA process is this is this RNA just something
50:30
on a process. Well, I've just said that, I
50:32
don't understand the folio the variegated DNA.
50:36
You're here to your here, defending it and saying that
50:38
it's illogical irrational and I'm pointing out.
50:40
We're still not Evolution though, they say abiogenesis,
50:43
it's not revolutionary but it's defined as chemical evolution.
50:46
So it is evolution as part of the evolutionary process.
50:48
It's not kind of the theory of evolution.
50:51
Hey biogenesis is not part of the theory of evolution.
50:54
It is defined as chemical Evolution.
50:56
Anybody can look it up it's not this part of the theory of
50:58
evolution. Well that's okay then let's talk
51:00
about the theory of evolution descent with modification.
51:03
When do you see an animal changing from a different from
51:05
one kind of animal into another Define kind.
51:10
IE able to reproduce. When do you see a certain family
51:15
or kind of animal merging life on this planet is able to
51:18
reproduce or better yet? How about since you brought up
51:22
the whole surfing monkeys thing, and how it's so plausible?
51:25
Why don't you address? The fact that these are salt,
51:29
this is salt water that they're floating across.
51:31
How do they survive for weeks and weeks without any water?
51:35
Well, I explained in the video and I explained on the ultimate
51:39
statement that there was lots of vegetation on this.
51:44
I'm in almost one mustard before another planet.
51:47
But what did you think is food? Meditation is food?
51:50
We're talking about water, what did?
51:52
Yes, you can get water from food.
51:55
So okay. So now your concerns Walter
51:58
letís consider lettuce is 90% water.
52:01
Bananas contain water fruit contains water it correct but
52:05
where is your? We can say water we're going to
52:07
take them North or South. Is he going to take the 900
52:09
miles across the ocean? Well I'm not saying the very
52:13
first monkeys jumped on the jumped on a raft and then served
52:16
a crime that saying that it was a rap.
52:18
You're arguing that it was a vegetation floating Mass, the
52:21
floor too much. I'm not saying but one group of
52:23
monkeys jumped on a raft and very first journey, carted them
52:27
all the way across the Atlantic Ocean.
52:28
I'm not saying that I'm saying there could have been many many
52:32
land masses but snapped off and one of them.
52:34
One at a tent could have made it across.
52:37
I'm not saying they all survived.
52:41
So what okay, but what did they do?
52:43
What did they drink? What there was no fresh water.
52:46
You're saying that somehow there was they stored fruit with them
52:50
you know he's no I didn't say that.
52:55
I said what I said was that these?
52:58
Because again we simply don't know but this is the best theory
53:04
as it were. That seems to fit the facts.
53:06
We found fossilized teeth in Peru.
53:09
We know that they originated from Repentance AIDS in Africa.
53:14
So, how did they make the journey from Africa to South
53:16
America? Now, the best theory is that
53:19
they got there from a land mass, that snaps off from Africa and
53:22
got all the way to South America.
53:24
I'm not saying the first one did it?
53:26
Not saying the second one did it, but what I'm saying is that
53:29
masses of vegetation can snap off and sustain one or two
53:33
monkeys? If you will got I don't I'm not
53:36
going to argue that vegetation mats cannot be snapped off a
53:39
certain places in carry certain pieces of vegetation. ation and
53:42
so forth biological organisms across certain areas, of course,
53:45
we've observed that but 900 miles 900 miles, really let that
53:50
sink in ladies and gentlemen, you know, you're actually
53:53
advocating that for 900 miles, they rafted across on a
53:58
vegetation mat. And let me ask you this, you
54:00
never, you never actually addressed really any of my
54:03
arguments about fossilization about, I dressed every single
54:06
one of yours, but you never got bashed in evolution dinosaur.
54:09
The Dinosaur Press preserved tissues.
54:13
How do you think that these tissues were preserved?
54:15
You think that, they really died out 65 million years ago?
54:18
Maurice Watson, a devout Christian.
54:21
I am stoned with that. Say that again.
54:25
Mary Schweitzer devout Christian discovered, the remains of blood
54:29
cells in dinosaur, fossils later, discovered, soft tissue
54:32
demented, T-Rex. The specimen was pregnant.
54:35
When she went apparently the next day, poor bugger.
54:39
Can I just ask back King before you before you start?
54:42
Brett. Yeah, so I thought you was going
54:47
to remain neutral. I am But I guess in the sides up
54:52
here, I can see in the side chat here.
54:55
Matt is correct. Chemical Revolution, refers to
54:58
changes in things that need not be capable of reproduction is
55:01
going to remain neutral why? I thought I wasn't supposed to
55:04
speak up and voice but I'm just typing over here.
55:09
I incorrect it is defined as chemical Evolution.
55:11
I mean you can say what evolution is not part of the
55:14
theory of evolution. Yes, but it is a theory with in
55:19
evolutionary theory. If you will know, it is because
55:21
it is defined as because it is defined as well.
55:24
Then you're just not educated on this topic because anybody can
55:26
go to Google and look up chemical evolution in the first
55:29
thing that pops up is the synthesis of original life.
55:32
The synthesis of the first single-celled organisms the
55:35
synthesis. Stay outside charm.
55:48
Just saying you remain neutral, as you said you would be all
55:51
right. Well, I apologize have fed up.
55:53
Thank you. I will not do it again.
55:55
Thank you, mr. Jones, you mentioned Mary
55:57
Schweitzer, right? And I don't know if you know
56:00
this but when they were actually Excavating these bones, the
56:03
stench of death was still there in the hell Creek formation.
56:06
They said they reported that they could still smell the
56:08
scent, the stench of death and Within These dinosaur bones
56:13
contain blood hemoglobin in the cells as Well, as men's all that
56:19
salt and stretchy material. So how could this stuff lasts
56:21
for 65 million years if your model is correct?
56:25
Well, I don't know. I'm not like I said I'm not
56:28
trained in. I said it right to the top of
56:30
the thing that man knowledge of evolution isn't isn't.
56:33
So isn't up to scratch at all but this is Barry Switzer.
56:40
Okay, Fred read up on Mary Schweitzer and she said she
56:42
discovered remains of blood cells in dinosaur fossils,
56:46
later, discovered, Sauce. Soft tissue remains in T-Rex.
56:49
Now, I don't know how long, I don't know how soft tissue
56:57
survive didn't T-Rex items, that don't know.
56:59
But you think it's plausible to believe that it survived for 65
57:03
million years with differentiate differentiating temperatures in
57:06
the ground, and sitting there, within the hell Creek formation,
57:14
It is a lot of any other evidence and yeah, you'd have to
57:17
defend that blood cells lasted in the ground and you're
57:21
defending this right now for 65 million years with proteins, and
57:27
also dinosaurs that have grass inside of their stomachs.
57:30
We've even found dinosaur feces mr.
57:33
Jones with some, with fecal matter that somehow, lasted, 65
57:39
million years. And we found out that these
57:40
dinosaurs ate grass. Which again was a prediction
57:43
that we made on our model but it was failed on the evolution of
57:46
side. Let me ask you this.
57:48
I don't want to ask all the questions here.
57:49
Okay final what's that? How did it fail?
57:54
What because Evolution taught that grass, actually evolved via
57:58
55 million years ago but dinosaurs died out, 65 million
58:02
years ago. So dinosaurs Never Saw Grass
58:05
because they didn't find grass in the fossil record.
58:07
But we actually analyze coprolites dinosaur dung and
58:10
found that they actually E8 grass pulls out, scientists,
58:15
yeah, but they all kind of species of grass that existed
58:17
when dinosaurs existed I'm sorry, they found a species of
58:23
grass or one particular kind of grass that existed were
58:28
dinosaurs existed. Yeah.
58:29
But the point that I was making and anybody can Google this is
58:32
that, no grass existed during the time of the dinosaurs that
58:35
grasp just have lost yet. I'll just set the walls.
58:39
They found something. I can't really hear what you're
58:43
saying. It's kind of mumbling on the
58:45
mic. I think it's your mic, I don't
58:47
think it's you nice. Well, anyways, I think I should,
58:51
I think what we should do Brett, how much, how many more minutes
58:53
do we have? Hello.
59:00
Bret. You there.
59:02
Rut. So let's let's talk about
59:11
Evolution then because you said that Evolution you know
59:16
basically needs change over time.
59:17
Well I believe in change over time but I'm not an evolutionist
59:21
and so you could Define me as an evolutionist just because I
59:24
believe in change over time. But these changes over
59:26
Generations over these populations are deleterious by
59:30
definition. What part of the mutation
59:33
through selection mechanism, that is required to drive.
59:35
Evolution is is verifiable ably scientific and that we can
59:40
observe today. You mean beneficial mutations?
59:48
I'm talking about a mutation a group of mutations that would
59:51
drive a fish to a fisherman. Like Evolution teaches.
59:55
No, it doesn't take sot. So You actually do some people
1:00:00
familiar generation variations that we descended for all the
1:00:04
millions of years still eukaryotes.
1:00:07
So just because they're eukaryotes, means that we're
1:00:09
related. Correct.
1:00:10
I'll try it. So you don't miss this eukaryote
1:00:13
as well, right? So that yeast is a eukaryote as
1:00:17
well. Yes.
1:00:18
So that means, we're related to yeast.
1:00:20
According to you, that means, we're related to pine trees and
1:00:22
elephants because they're eukaryotic organisms.
1:00:24
Well, you could argue that squids and pens are related
1:00:28
because they Squirt ink. You could argue that the clouds
1:00:32
because they have water inside of them.
1:00:33
And watermelon has water inside of it is sounds somehow
1:00:37
watermelon and clouds are related, ladies and gentlemen.
1:00:39
Because they have, what is a pain in your opening statement?
1:00:42
You literally said dinosaurs and birds both have a very, very
1:00:47
similar Wishbone, therefore they're related, I'm sorry, that
1:00:51
is nice of and eukaryotes. Say that again.
1:00:56
Is a pain. A eukaryote.
1:01:00
Is a what a eukaryote a pen. You mentioned squids and
1:01:03
Friends. A pain is not a eukaryote.
1:01:05
I'm just pointing out and neither is an IQ but I'm just
1:01:08
saying that just because certain things have similar
1:01:10
characteristics doesn't mean that they come from common
1:01:13
descent. That's not it's just common
1:01:15
ancestor from common ancestry, common descent.
1:01:19
That they shared a common ancestor, because they have, why
1:01:22
not? Yeah, why not because, well, for
1:01:26
one we only see animals producing within their families.
1:01:30
And then number two, if we look at the genetic makeup of certain
1:01:35
animals, for example, the Y chromosome of a human versus the
1:01:38
Y. Chromosome of the chimp, we have
1:01:40
a somewhat similar Y chromosome. Well, evolutionists have
1:01:44
concluded that based on the Y chromosome analysis that somehow
1:01:49
we are. Are we descended from chimps?
1:01:51
Because we have a similar Y chromosome will.
1:01:53
Look, we have more in common with a gorilla's, Y chromosome
1:01:56
than a chimps. Y chromosome.
1:01:58
So, does that mean we descended from gorillas?
1:01:59
No, it means that we share certain DNA barcodes with
1:02:02
certain of the creation that surround us because we're all
1:02:04
coated with the same code for Life via DNA.
1:02:07
So, of course, we would expect her to be similarities.
1:02:10
We'd expect for certain organisms like ourselves to be
1:02:12
eukaryotes. So what big deal.
1:02:14
It doesn't prove that we are related to pine trees or
1:02:18
Elephants or year. it's so stupid on you to show how that
1:02:24
how we are related just because we're eukaryotes Let me ask you.
1:02:30
This is a red squirrel, an iguana gray squirrel.
1:02:33
Same kind I'm sorry you're coming in and out so much.
1:02:38
Can you can you is the best acquittal and the grey squirrel?
1:02:41
The same kind? I would say.
1:02:44
So why can't the integrate because when populations
1:02:50
reproduce, What happens is when these certain kinds reproduce
1:02:53
reductive traits come into play. For example, you might have a
1:02:58
set of parents that will actually produce offspring that
1:03:01
are inter fertile. It's it's not an example of
1:03:04
evolution, my friend. This is, this is a productive
1:03:07
process where they can no longer reproduce something that we
1:03:10
would predict in the creation model.
1:03:12
Both of the same kind, And and in the Bible, it says the
1:03:16
animals of the same kind will bring forth after their kind,
1:03:19
but you just don't you just said the red squirrels and quit and
1:03:22
gray. Squirrels are the same kind of
1:03:24
animal. Yes.
1:03:26
But everything, but certain kinds will actually Bibles wrong
1:03:29
thinking a long time. Explaining there are certain
1:03:31
kinds that gets to a point where they can no longer interbreed
1:03:34
because they have Diversified. And because entropy has occurred
1:03:37
to those organism, it is it is reductive.
1:03:40
So what you're claiming is proof of evolution or even Possible.
1:03:44
This is how we drive Evolution and speciation.
1:03:46
Well, number one, they're still part of the same family or
1:03:49
genus. And then number two, these
1:03:52
organisms, these organisms are reductive when they can no
1:03:58
longer the inter fertile, that's reductive by definition, that's
1:04:02
part of the Fall, that's part of sin, that's part of mutations,
1:04:04
entering in and making it. So certain creatures can no
1:04:08
longer interbreed it goes perfectly with our model.
1:04:11
The burden of proof would be on you to explain how you go from.
1:04:13
From the gue to you or even from ape to man via mutations.
1:04:22
Well I'm still not an answer because it does.
1:04:25
The bible say, that means we bring forth and I think your
1:04:28
question, excuse me. I don't know, personally, I
1:04:35
don't know how we got from, just the theory of evolution teaches
1:04:39
that we was all eukaryotes and eukaryotes produce any you carry
1:04:43
web explain to you why that's wrong.
1:04:45
Just because we are eukaryotes and pine trees are eukaryotes,
1:04:48
doesn't mean that we share a common ancestor with pine trees.
1:04:50
It means that we're all made up of the same genetic of similar
1:04:53
genetic material. That is code for life because we
1:04:56
all live on one planet. The way that these genes are
1:04:59
expressed are very different in the way that the Certain bar
1:05:02
codes of DNA and us are expressed are very different
1:05:05
than that of a pine tree just because we have you that we are
1:05:10
eukaryotes doesn't mean that we descended from a common ancestor
1:05:14
with a pine tree. It means like that.
1:05:18
I mean, you look at the differences versus the
1:05:20
similarities and the differences while outweigh the similarities.
1:05:24
Why? No, why?
1:05:26
Why are we not this see staff from eukaryote.
1:05:31
I've made some notes. It's well, I mean I understand
1:05:36
what you're trying to say, mr. Jones, and I'm not trying to be
1:05:39
down in you look. You could literally argue that
1:05:44
me and another animal, let's say a cat have a common ancestor,
1:05:48
just because we both have eyes. That is literally the argument
1:05:51
that you're presenting in this discuss.
1:05:52
What isn't you're saying that? Because okay, because we're
1:05:55
eukaryotes, because we have a certain type of cell.
1:05:58
Therefore, and then we share this certain type of cell with
1:06:01
another creature. Therefore, we came from a common
1:06:04
ancestor related. Yes, yes.
1:06:06
So would you make the same argument about having eyes or
1:06:10
five toes or Let's say family size.
1:06:15
I mean where do you draw the line on this?
1:06:17
Well, it depends which paper it's nothing more than
1:06:19
propaganda. Well, it depends which taxonomic
1:06:22
category you want to come from because the domain which is
1:06:26
which is the top of the tree is you carrier, which is
1:06:28
eukaryotes. And then it goes to an email
1:06:30
earlier. And then the phylum class, the
1:06:33
order, the family, the genus or species, but that's at the top
1:06:36
of the tree, there is the main and you and I still like to get
1:06:42
an answer to this question because he said something about
1:06:45
mutations But you said that the same kind of animal.
1:06:50
Why can't red squirrels and grey squirrels.
1:06:53
We produce only explain it to you twice but I'll explain it to
1:06:57
you again. They are inter fertile because
1:06:59
of the Fall because of reductive Evolution.
1:07:02
See we are devolving. You believe we are evolving,
1:07:05
were becoming better, but this proves that these kinds of
1:07:08
animals. They're actually becoming
1:07:09
reductive in a sense they can't reproduce anymore, that means,
1:07:13
but that is not Evolution. That is D evolution by
1:07:16
definition. Evolution doesn't mean it's a
1:07:20
Evolution means to set with inherit genetic modification,
1:07:23
but those modifications need to be able to make it, so they can
1:07:26
survive in a new environment. Now, keep this in mind.
1:07:31
I believe that microevolution is true.
1:07:34
Yes, we adapt to our environments.
1:07:35
We will make changes but that is because of heterozygosity that's
1:07:38
been built into us. And when these red and gray
1:07:42
squirrels they can no longer be in her fertile.
1:07:44
That's just an example of heterozygosity going from
1:07:47
heterozygosity to homozygosity, where they can no longer
1:07:50
reproduce. It doesn't mean that we all
1:07:53
descended from a common ancestor.
1:07:55
It means that things are becoming worse over time, and we
1:07:58
are becoming less and less fertilizer.
1:08:00
Population. I mean we've even looked at
1:08:03
sperm cells and male humans and from generation to generation
1:08:06
were losing sperm cells. Were losing the ability to
1:08:09
reproduce from generation to generation.
1:08:11
Entropy is occurring. We have 100 to 200 more
1:08:14
mutations that our parents had mr.
1:08:16
Jones. What that means is that we are
1:08:18
more mutant than them, we die from mutations.
1:08:21
These mutations are defined as neutral but they cannot be
1:08:23
weeded out by natural selection. So if mutations building up in
1:08:27
populations over time, continues over these Generations, we will
1:08:31
go extinct and that's why evolution is false.
1:08:34
It is not true. It is falsified at the
1:08:36
fundamental of what a mutation even is the very thing that
1:08:40
supposed to drive Evolution the very thing, the very model that
1:08:44
you're proposing. Proposes that mutations, are
1:08:47
what caused us to evolve from literal fish to land dwelling
1:08:53
animals. All the way up from To see all
1:08:56
the way up to mankind. What was this?
1:08:58
It are we done evolving. I don't want to take a time.
1:09:01
I'm going to turn it back over to you.
1:09:05
You once said that rocks conceived, do you still believe
1:09:11
that? Or Evolution TV that the Rocks
1:09:15
conceived. What?
1:09:16
Actually we know that Evolution teaches that because it is like
1:09:20
I said earlier it's defined as chemical Evolution and then
1:09:23
number two I can actually show you a paper that actually
1:09:27
explains this. So I'm going to go to the paper
1:09:30
right now actually. Paper that explains.
1:09:35
How we descended that we wouldn't even be here.
1:09:39
The title of the paper is that you owe your life to a rock mr.
1:09:43
Jones. And of course, this is one of
1:09:45
the things that you brought up in your videos as a supposed lie
1:09:47
that Matt Powell and Kent hovind spew but it is common knowledge.
1:09:52
I'm going to look it up here. The title of the paper is you
1:09:55
owe your life to a rock. Here it is.
1:10:02
This is the title of paper. You owe your life to a ride
1:10:12
sorry about that. You owe your life to a rock.
1:10:17
We get this back over here. Sorry about that, okay.
1:10:26
Let's see you owe your life to Iraq.
1:10:30
Erosion of metal-rich, granite long ago, set the stage for
1:10:34
multicellular organisms. Check this out.
1:10:37
This is this is literally what your theory is saying.
1:10:40
So thank goodness for granted, this is how the article starts
1:10:42
out. Thank goodness for granted.
1:10:45
You know what I would say? I would thank God for life, not
1:10:48
rock. Thank God, that were alive.
1:10:51
Thank goodness for granted, if not for the formation in some
1:10:55
subsequent erosion of large quantities of metal-rich,
1:10:57
granite on a supercontinent. What is going on?
1:11:10
From the granite that somehow came here by chance.
1:11:13
A rock that we can't create on purpose.
1:11:16
Somehow created Itself by chance.
1:11:18
And then when it was raining for two million years, it rotated
1:11:22
the rocks to a point where multicellular life would now be
1:11:26
able to use those chemical compounds to survive.
1:11:29
That is what evolution teaches that is chemical Evolution.
1:11:31
That is the fundamental of the theory.
1:11:37
But I also read that again. I did read it once but I got to
1:11:41
read that again to make sure. It is well, thanks.
1:11:51
What's that some of the ingredients for life were
1:11:53
already on this planet? Say that one more time.
1:11:59
Some of the ingredients were already on this planet.
1:12:04
Yes. But the ingredients for life
1:12:06
would not have assembled themselves if it weren't for the
1:12:08
heavy metal elements that came out of the granite rock when it
1:12:11
was being rained on 42 million years according to the model.
1:12:14
So, so long. Sorry, go on.
1:12:17
I was going to say. So single-celled, organisms
1:12:18
could exist without it, but multicellular organisms.
1:12:21
According to Evolution, could not have existed.
1:12:23
According to this paper could not have existed.
1:12:26
Unless these heavy metal elements were eroded from the
1:12:28
Rocks. So when you come on here and say
1:12:30
nobody believes or you get on your channel, nobody believes
1:12:33
that we came from rocks. That's just a light.
1:12:36
You're just hearing that from other atheists YouTubers because
1:12:39
this is what evolution teaches. If evolution teaches the Earth
1:12:41
was a hot molten ball of rock and then it rained on the rocks
1:12:45
for millions of years and out of that soup came me and you over
1:12:49
generations and variations that is what evolution teaches that
1:12:53
is that we evolved from rocks that we descended from the
1:12:55
calculate chemical elements can In these rocks.
1:13:06
So that is the, I love to I love to read up on that because I
1:13:09
didn't I didn't anticipate that that question.
1:13:14
But is it just I'm not trying to be done in you mr.
1:13:16
Jones. But isn't it kind of, isn't it?
1:13:19
Kind of not a good thing to get on video and to bash me assume
1:13:24
at Powell's a liar? He's just making all this stuff
1:13:27
up. He's disgusting when I have
1:13:30
sources for everything that I brought forth today, sources for
1:13:34
Solutions every claim that you said I've lied about Out, I've
1:13:38
brought sources for forward for. So I would just encourage you to
1:13:42
make sure to do research before you jump on the discussions like
1:13:46
this. And don't call me a liar for
1:13:49
making a certain claim that has been verified in this discussion
1:13:52
because it is a true claim. This is the model the wrong
1:13:58
thing. No I don't believe for one
1:14:00
second. No because I think you're
1:14:01
oversimplifying I'm because you said on video the Rope, you said
1:14:07
on the video you said on the video that Iraq conceived.
1:14:14
What I said, what you tell me? I will rock conceives.
1:14:20
Can you say that again? I can barely hear you.
1:14:22
Are you asking about you son? You said on video a rock.
1:14:27
They believe your exact words. They believe a rock conceived.
1:14:33
Correct. Tell me how cute.
1:14:34
Yeah, you tell me how a rock can conceive.
1:14:38
I don't believe it can conceive. I never did know.
1:14:42
Your model is claiming that it did because it rained.
1:14:44
No, no, no. You said it within that, rock.
1:14:50
Heavy elements came out and then we evolved from those heavy
1:14:52
elements. That means that we were
1:14:54
conceived from rocks. It's not hard to figure out on
1:14:56
the field. That's all it's at Ole Miss
1:15:00
representation, you trying to oversimplify things and it's
1:15:02
ridiculous. It is not a misrepresentation.
1:15:05
It is complete mess with misrepresentation.
1:15:08
You said over conceived and how does a rock conceived, then let
1:15:12
the viewers decide. If the viewers can pull up the
1:15:14
article for themselves that says in the title out, pull it out
1:15:18
myself. You owe your life to Iraq.
1:15:20
That's the only that I'll be the better but I'm asking you right
1:15:24
now. How does a rock conceive?
1:15:27
You tell me. I don't believe that.
1:15:28
What does it say in the paper? The rock conceived?
1:15:32
What does it say in the theory of evolution that a rocket can
1:15:35
see? With this point, we're just
1:15:36
arguing hermeneutics, you're moving the goalposts.
1:15:39
I'm not moving the goalposts, it's all.
1:15:42
I'm not moving the goalposts. It's all I think he mentioned
1:15:44
rocks this many times and gentlemen, Gentlemen, let's
1:15:49
let's relax. Try to do it one at a time here.
1:15:54
Also enough, you mentioned rocks, you said a rock conceived
1:15:59
on one of your videos. You said that this is the theory
1:16:01
of evolution. This is what it teaches a rock
1:16:04
conceived. You tell me where in the theory
1:16:06
of evolution, does it say a rock conceived.
1:16:10
The reason that we know that according to Evolution a rack
1:16:14
would have conceived is because, and I've explained this many
1:16:17
times, I'm gonna explain it one more time and then I'm done.
1:16:21
Because these heavy chemical elements that were contained in
1:16:24
the Rocks were rained on and were eroded out of the rocks and
1:16:29
then those heavy chemical elements were what made our life
1:16:32
possible? So yes the title of the article
1:16:35
is that you owe your life to Iraq and that is what they are
1:16:38
saying. They say thank goodness for
1:16:39
granted or we wouldn't be here. They're saying, we descended
1:16:43
from rocks, they're saying that life came about via, spontaneous
1:16:47
generation via soup and you said that the RNA world, Was a good
1:16:51
mechanism to rely. That's the one that I personally
1:16:54
by into is the RNA World hypothesis, which I debunked
1:16:58
just a few about 30 minutes ago, just by reading the punk-ass
1:17:01
need it DNA and sunlight, sunlight, and water destroys
1:17:06
DNA. So, how is life going to
1:17:08
assemble itself in sunlight, and water on rocks.
1:17:11
Explain that to me while still have a non-hostile of inside
1:17:15
announcer. But I rock conceived a word.
1:17:18
You say I haven't heard you three times.
1:17:20
No, no, no. No, you didn't three times on
1:17:23
this know, you didn't. How does this rock?
1:17:25
Can see, how does a replica produce an egg?
1:17:29
Mr. Jones, I'm not going to answer you again.
1:17:32
I will say this in rock produce an egg types of rock produce,
1:17:35
sperm eggs of rock reproduce, a rapidly produce a rock conceived
1:17:41
RNA via erosion of the Granite erosion of the chemical analysis
1:17:50
than Chuckles the heavy elements in this article that were eroded
1:17:54
that somehow conceived, that somehow assembled themselves in
1:18:00
sunlight and water the very thing that destroys DNA.
1:18:02
I can't even believe somehow we have to have discussions like
1:18:05
this because you should be able to just say, okay, you know what
1:18:08
sunlight and water destroys DNA. I'm throwing it out, but you'll
1:18:12
still sit here and argue. Well, why are you saying a rock
1:18:15
and see, I'm not saying it were not conceived.
1:18:18
They're sitting out there. What's that?
1:18:20
You said that one of your videos said that these people think a
1:18:24
rock conceived. In fact, I have college
1:18:25
students. I have you know, ship that
1:18:27
evidence to back it up. He's telling me that they
1:18:30
believe rocks conceived over God.
1:18:32
Created the universe men won't. I was at Arizona State
1:18:36
University and I interviewed them.
1:18:38
And in fact, I could pull up, I could show you the interviews of
1:18:42
them saying. Yeah, we believe we came from
1:18:43
rocks. Please Daddy please do a video
1:18:45
about it. I will release a video about it.
1:18:48
Pretty much a pretty good pretty quick here because I feel like
1:18:52
it should be put out there in the public eye.
1:18:53
Was that's gonna wait till film that I was going to release on
1:18:57
this matter but look the the mutation through selection
1:19:00
process and the abide by the abiogenesis soup has been been
1:19:04
thoroughly debunked. I debunked it just by using some
1:19:07
basic scientific papers. The Bible says, in the
1:19:09
beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth not in the
1:19:12
beginning. Nothing exploded and somehow or
1:19:14
nothing it rapidly expanded faster than any explosion in
1:19:17
history which is an explosion by definition and created
1:19:20
everything that we see around us in the world today it is
1:19:22
absolutely false. It has been falsified and people
1:19:26
that were would speak of this, in an honest manner.
1:19:29
Should just throw it away. Throw the hypothesis of
1:19:31
evolution away. Mr. Jones, except that, which is
1:19:34
Demonstrated to be true that which is demonstrated to be fact
1:19:38
and that is creation, creationism creation science.
1:19:41
The world was created. God loves you, he died for you,
1:19:44
he came here, two thousand years ago, died on a cross was buried
1:19:48
and rose again for your sins and my sins.
1:19:51
And he wants you to go to heaven with me.
1:19:53
I want you to go to heaven with me.
1:19:54
I don't want you to go to hell. Now look, I understand, we're
1:19:58
just trying to keep this as a general discussion of.
1:20:01
I think we should probably just wrap it up.
1:20:03
You have provided, no evidence for evolution in this entire
1:20:06
discussion. You never answered everything
1:20:09
that you said. I literally answer.
1:20:11
Well, everything that you said, well, I want some evidence for
1:20:16
God. I gave you evidence for God time
1:20:19
space, so you didn't know I want evidence for your God.
1:20:25
Well, I've done videos on this explaining that there are only
1:20:28
two concepts of religion. There is people who work their
1:20:31
way to heaven, and there's people who trust Christ as
1:20:33
Savior. Every other religion teaches a
1:20:35
Works salvation. My faith is in Christ.
1:20:38
And in the done religion, the one who said that, he paid it
1:20:41
all. When he died for my sins, past
1:20:42
present and future. But faith is their emphasis,
1:20:46
there's only two concepts so it's not hard to figure out what
1:20:49
faith is belief, isn't it? Faith is belief without evidence
1:20:55
false. Faith is defined as a confidence
1:20:57
or trust in someone or something, look it up in a
1:20:59
dictionary. Don't tell him.
1:21:01
It's not much. No problem.
1:21:03
Well, I'm still not seeing any evidence.
1:21:04
We got here you just your God. Hey, wait a minute, you just
1:21:07
missed a find faith. Faith is defined as a confidence
1:21:12
or trust in someone or something.
1:21:16
It is not believing things without evidence.
1:21:18
You've been listening to too much aronra, my friend Even
1:21:21
listening too much mr. Larry Nelson.
1:21:23
That comes right out of his mouth that was just repeating
1:21:25
Burger the cold water. If you would have looked at a
1:21:28
dictionary you would have known that.
1:21:30
But instead you're watching, you're trusting YouTubers to
1:21:33
tell you the truth instead of trusting fact.
1:21:38
I don't I don't really have any more to say so it was you think
1:21:41
we forgot one thing? I think?
1:21:43
Maybe it's just proof of this debate.
1:21:47
So, where is your proof for your god?
1:21:49
What is your proof of heaven? I've already said it several
1:21:53
times but you know, I'll say it one more time.
1:21:56
The fact that time space and matter exists is proof that it
1:22:00
either a came into existence via Magic on caused or that be
1:22:05
somebody caused it. And what does it say about space
1:22:07
and matter had to be outside of time, space and matter, Timeless
1:22:10
spaceless immaterial and if it is timeless spaceless immaterial
1:22:13
and could bring something as big as the ocean itself on this
1:22:16
earth into existence that requires power and intelligence
1:22:20
to be able to design life requires power and intelligence
1:22:24
until what I eat intelligent design, it is Okay, explain to
1:22:31
me how one out of one hundred thousand million million chances
1:22:34
happen by chance sandwich Stones.
1:22:36
I'm still waiting for evidence for heaven.
1:22:39
I'm still waiting for evidence for God, simply saying that
1:22:41
time, space and matter exists is not good enough for me simply
1:22:45
saying it says in the Bible isn't good enough for me.
1:22:47
That's that's okay. Then that's that's on you.
1:22:50
That's not. I mean I already explained the
1:22:51
model if you want to reject the model, that's fine.
1:22:54
I'm not rejecting the model. I must give evidence of the
1:22:57
model. Amin gentlemen, we were doing a
1:23:00
30-minute, open discussion, and then went way over 30 minutes
1:23:04
and I appreciate you both having patience endurance for that, but
1:23:09
it's just going to go on and on and on.
1:23:11
So, do we want to get to closing statements?
1:23:17
Do we want to do a Q&A? How you guys smoking with you
1:23:20
and Amy? Q8 sounds good with any
1:23:24
questions in the chat? Well, we should, we should have
1:23:27
a closing. We should just have closing
1:23:29
statements just a real quick wrap-up.
1:23:30
You want to just do two minutes mr.
1:23:32
Jones, two minutes each. You know, I got to go into Q&A.
1:23:36
All right, fair enough now, mr. Jones, would you have any issue
1:23:40
if I ask any questions. Not.
1:23:43
So, okay, mr. Jones.
1:23:46
If it is, not your belief that you come from rocks.
1:23:49
Then, what did you come from? If there was no God to guide it,
1:23:55
I explained earlier on, I don't know much about it and I said
1:23:59
this earlier on and I I think that the Erin are first is
1:24:06
probably the best theory of where we came from.
1:24:11
Okay, that's a abiogenesis. That's not evolution.
1:24:18
Okay. Is anyone out there have the
1:24:22
question that they want to ask? I mean, I myself I have
1:24:26
questions but I want to give other people my opportunity.
1:24:35
Let's see. I'm looking through here.
1:24:37
We've got someone hit called d-57 that says that they want to
1:24:41
ask a question to. All right, while we're waiting
1:24:46
for this person. Do a, see you guys held up.
1:24:49
You guys were talking about the surfing monkey incident earlier,
1:24:52
right? You said that you guys were
1:24:55
saying over 900 miles. There was this floating debris
1:24:58
that basically, according to you had lettuce and plants, aren't
1:25:02
it? And the monkeys were eating the
1:25:04
very thing. That they were floating on now.
1:25:08
No no no. I only serves me right.
1:25:10
Doesn't saltwater destroy lettuce.
1:25:12
And any of this material that you speak.
1:25:14
Its didn't set up. Okay, what I said, how would you
1:25:21
like to respond? I said a floating land mass and
1:25:26
I wish me opening statements of the video was, was working
1:25:31
properly, but it wasn't what I showed a massive land mass
1:25:37
floating down the Panama Canal that actually block the Panama,
1:25:40
Canal back in 2010 and it still add upright trees on it.
1:25:46
And this land mass, its they could have just snapped away.
1:25:49
I'm not saying it could. It could be what several meters
1:25:52
thick. This long must have snapped away
1:25:54
but we just simply don't know. Do you mind if I come in on it
1:26:00
real quick? But of course, this is you guys
1:26:02
debate, you do things where you want.
1:26:05
Sure. So you know this, this whole
1:26:07
theory that monkeys, you know, surfed on vegetation mats from
1:26:11
Africa, to South America, 34 million years ago.
1:26:13
Again, the study is actually based on a fossil and mr.
1:26:16
Jones, you obviously reference this at the beginning of our
1:26:19
debate or discussion. That, you know, it's based on
1:26:22
these fossils of these teeth that we found these molars.
1:26:25
The problem is that fossilization again is about
1:26:29
conditions number one, and the number two, it would have been
1:26:32
catastrophic lie, buried somehow.
1:26:34
So, even if they did right across there on a raft, somehow
1:26:38
they were catastrophically, buried to the point where their
1:26:41
teeth are able to be preserved. And so, you know, just saying,
1:26:45
well, we found some fossils of the certain animal over in South
1:26:49
America, that didn't exist in that didn't exist in South
1:26:53
America, they existed in Africa. That means that they must have
1:26:55
floated across. You know, I am willing to
1:26:57
submit. Maybe they floated across, but
1:26:59
in a catastrophic event and they were buried catastrophically,
1:27:02
which is why we find the fossils.
1:27:04
People always say, Well, they're trying to survive, we find him
1:27:06
trying to get on vegetation, mats to survive.
1:27:09
Yeah, they were running from the flood of Noah, they were trying
1:27:10
to survive and they were catastrophic.
1:27:12
We buried it, so, it perfectly. Leaf, it's my model.
1:27:14
So no matter how this game would be plenty to do not go to
1:27:17
evolutionists way. So I did Congress.
1:27:20
Got to Australia from Turkey. Well for one the am I allowed to
1:27:25
answer that question about you guys are more than welcome to do
1:27:29
whatever you like with it. Yeah.
1:27:31
For one the sea level would have been much lower.
1:27:32
If you lower the sea level, after the flood obviously would
1:27:37
have been land bridges everywhere.
1:27:40
So would be no problem for kangaroos to be able to Simply
1:27:44
hop there. It would have been no problem
1:27:46
for them, so that would be my answer to that.
1:27:48
So why is it? Plausible from drunk for monkeys
1:27:50
to get from Africa to South America.
1:27:53
And not implausible for kangaroos to get from Turkey to
1:27:58
Australia. Because they've what they have
1:28:01
that they didn't ride on a raft. Mr. Jones.
1:28:03
They walked. They have to, they have to
1:28:07
cross. While the water was subducted.
1:28:12
It wasn't as high as it is today, the sea level hadn't
1:28:15
risen as much. Remember this is post-flood.
1:28:19
Immediate post flood, they would have been able to get there.
1:28:22
So the sea. So the sea levels will wear from
1:28:25
cricket Australia but the world law from Africa, there were only
1:28:28
lower it won't the world you're confused, you're conflating two
1:28:32
different models. So the gamma uh, the creation
1:28:35
model says that there was a flood that Aleutian model says
1:28:38
that the unit the kid at present is the key to the past.
1:28:41
So remember you have uniformitarianism which means
1:28:43
that these monkeys would have surfed across on water because
1:28:46
it remembers peaceful Voyage, right?
1:28:48
Because it was catastrophic according to Evolution.
1:28:51
But according to my model, the way that those kangaroos would
1:28:54
have gotten to Australia would have, they would have simply
1:28:57
went via land bridges. That would connect from
1:29:02
Australia to Turkey if you will. And so that would be the best
1:29:06
answer on that. So I'm getting ready for another
1:29:11
question. My superiors as well, the koala
1:29:13
bears and they hot there as well.
1:29:15
Didn't it? I'm at, what did you say?
1:29:18
I'm sorry. Are you going to the money?
1:29:20
So, plz, the other marsupials he koala bears.
1:29:22
They hop there as well. Well if there's a land
1:29:26
connecting it wouldn't be impossible at all.
1:29:29
They travel animals tool icons so why couldn't they have been
1:29:33
land connecting Africa to South America because in the in the
1:29:37
model and I could pull up what the continents looked like back
1:29:41
then, the continents would have looked like this 65 million
1:29:48
years ago. Let me pull it up here.
1:29:55
Let me just pull it over here. Yeah, this is what the
1:29:58
continents would have looked like.
1:30:00
So there were no land bridges. That you can see here.
1:30:04
So was, yeah. But what along the edges from to
1:30:06
get to Australia? Mr. Jones, I've explained this
1:30:13
do you What you're proposing here via
1:31:05
65 million years ago. I don't know if you can come
1:31:07
asking you for evidence of your model, I've given you evidence
1:31:11
of my model? No.
1:31:12
You haven't. Where other one must is from
1:31:15
Turkey to Australia. Mr. Jones in this discussion
1:31:18
that we have to agree to disagree and we have to move on
1:31:21
and I'm sure there's a lot. I'm asking you, you just, you
1:31:24
just tried, debunking the Africa to South America.
1:31:28
I'm going to debunk now is turkey to Australia business.
1:31:31
No other land masses from Turkey to austerely at this, is your
1:31:33
model show evidence of your model people, okay?
1:31:36
This is not my model. What you're seeing on the screen
1:31:38
I did say uncle, I said, Filter kit typically used for the
1:31:46
second circuit Australia. There are land masses and a
1:31:49
kangaroo hops from Turkey to Australia down a bit and some
1:31:53
evidence for that gentlemen, this is the Q and A section of
1:31:57
it for people to be able to ask the folks in the show questions
1:32:04
and I will say this, this is not meant Pals page, he showing you
1:32:10
what the evolutionists are saying that is what He said
1:32:12
three times. I don't know if you guys are
1:32:14
here in each other clearly or what's happening here, but this
1:32:19
was had three times, but let me ask, let me ask you yet again.
1:32:22
This is his model kangaroos got from Turkey to Australia,
1:32:27
hopping on land masses. Where is the evidence for this?
1:32:33
I've already explained it the, After the flood post-flood, the
1:32:39
sea level would have been much lower and if you bring the sea
1:32:42
level lower, even just a few hundred feet, you're going to
1:32:45
start to seal and everywhere. So that even in the office, like
1:32:52
Well, I provided plenty of proof for the flood.
1:32:55
I don't even provide you with evidence.
1:32:56
I can provide you with proof of the flood.
1:32:57
Well, you either Spectrum, so that's what we would predict.
1:33:01
That's what we would predict post flood because of the water
1:33:05
still running off of the, I sold the land masses.
1:33:11
They're under the water now. I'm not going to keep answering
1:33:15
this question. I've answered this question now
1:33:18
for X, we need to move on. We need to be professional and
1:33:22
we need to move on. I'm asking for evidence of the
1:33:25
land masses. You've shown evidence for these
1:33:27
landmasses man. Guys guys, the thing that I'm
1:33:31
not understanding here is you're saying you're wanting these land
1:33:35
masses from a site that's about Evolution but the angel is we
1:33:39
were originally talking about surfing monkeys, not land
1:33:43
masses. And all this close together.
1:33:45
It's a scientist that are claiming that, it was 900 miles.
1:33:49
They traveled. So what is this exactly?
1:33:52
From either one of these, if you don't mind me asking, what does
1:33:54
this have to do with the surfing monkeys?
1:34:00
Well, it's to do says nothing. It has nothing to do with it.
1:34:02
It really has nothing to do with it.
1:34:04
Just it comes down to repeating arguments that he's heard from
1:34:08
other YouTubers about the problem of kangaroos getting to
1:34:11
select assumptions about me, Okay.
1:34:16
I don't really have anything else to say on this, I think
1:34:18
we've tried and we've tried to talk about it.
1:34:21
We need to just agree to move on mr.
1:34:23
Jones, but you know you said this is, this is your slide here
1:34:28
this year was slide. That's all I want to say yes.
1:34:50
We have people in there asking questions.
1:34:53
You don't want to answer the question.
1:35:15
What did that cause life to come into existence?
1:35:21
Walter water. Apparently, that's that's one of
1:35:25
the theories. So what kind of water was this?
1:35:29
That the lightning hit? I'll probably take a guess at
1:35:32
H2O, okay? So my answer to this would be
1:35:40
that it's completely opposite. What they're what the evolution
1:35:43
model is saying is completely opposite to that of reality.
1:35:46
And what the Bible says, the Bible says that life began on
1:35:49
the land and that God breathed into man's nostrils, the breath
1:35:52
of life and he became a living soul.
1:35:54
And so our model teaches that it began on land, their model
1:35:58
teaches the begin on water, but the reason we know it couldn't
1:36:00
have happened. Notice the wording here could
1:36:02
not have happened in the water and it is falsified is because
1:36:06
DNA breaks down in sunlight. In water RNA is pre-dna and if
1:36:11
the pre, if the Prebiotic process contained Water by
1:36:16
definition, its going to scatter the DNA in molecules and not
1:36:19
assemble them. I guess the next question we
1:36:25
have to ask then either one of you.
1:36:28
Any questions from the chat? I don't I don't want it to just
1:36:31
be. Yeah I'm trying to look sorry
1:36:34
Ron the screen over and this let's see.
1:36:40
Now there's a couple people sitting here, talking about
1:36:43
Russia and Ukraine right now there was someone who had asked
1:36:47
this question. Let me put it up.
1:36:55
Do you see it? Yeah, I can see it.
1:36:57
It's just small on the screen. What is this a matte matte you
1:37:01
claim something? Matt you claim to possible land,
1:37:07
bridge got any evidence. So it's the same question that
1:37:10
mr. Jones asked the evidence is that
1:37:13
after the flood post-flood immediately after that, the sea
1:37:18
level was lower. And if you lower the sea level,
1:37:22
even just a few hundred feet, there are land bridges
1:37:24
everywhere. The sea level is increasing over
1:37:26
time via was increasing over time, via the water running off
1:37:30
of the mountains and off of the land, it would increase the sea
1:37:34
level and so It's not a problem for our model whatsoever.
1:37:37
That's the answer. Okay.
1:37:41
Okay. Do we want to do closing
1:37:43
statements because apparently people got sidetracked about the
1:37:46
Ukraine and Russia. All right, we should do
1:37:49
closings. You can go first, mr.
1:37:52
Jones. All you go Fest David postal
1:37:55
that you want me. Okay.
1:37:57
Well, how long should we go for a brat just a couple minutes?
1:38:02
You guys do what you feel on it. All right, I'm going to go for
1:38:05
two minutes, so let me see here. So overall I think a good
1:38:11
discussion, I want to thank mr. Jones for challenging me to
1:38:17
defend my position on these matters.
1:38:19
I do want to encourage people that look into this stuff and
1:38:22
look, I hope I haven't come off as condescending or something.
1:38:24
It's just that when I hear so many falsehoods in one
1:38:28
discussion or so many lies, I feel like I have to and I'm
1:38:32
compelled by what the Bible tells me to do which is to seek
1:38:35
and promote truth to Simply point out the errors.
1:38:39
Yes. And I think that I've done that
1:38:41
today, I think that the evolution model really does not
1:38:45
have the answers. As we, I know it doesn't have
1:38:48
the answers mutation via selection creating these
1:38:52
populations over Generations is false.
1:38:55
It is falsified proves that in the beginning.
1:38:59
We started with a perfect genetic code and then it got
1:39:02
corrupted and then mutations have accumulated over time.
1:39:06
Decreasing, the lifespan. We die from mutation.
1:39:09
Ins. And so I think that it's
1:39:12
important to point out. The Big Bang model is, is false
1:39:15
to claim that all matter existed in energy.
1:39:18
Form in a infinitesimally, small dot is beyond absurd and does
1:39:23
not have any scientific backing in order for it to be science,
1:39:26
it has to be demonstratable testable and repeatable.
1:39:30
And like I said, if I'm wrong on any of these matters, I am
1:39:32
compelled by reason to change. And that's the difference
1:39:35
between my model and mr. Jones's model is that Evolution,
1:39:41
they're always going to come up with rescue devices for it.
1:39:44
When you point out, okay, water could not have been what life
1:39:48
started in because water scatters aren't a it scatters
1:39:50
DNA. In fact, when the FBI does
1:39:53
research on people that have died when they do forensics,
1:39:57
they look at somebody that died and water versus something that
1:39:59
died in the fire. Fire the fire.
1:40:01
The person that died up in the fire died.
1:40:03
In fire is actually, they can trace the DNA better because
1:40:06
Fire doesn't scatter. The DNA molecules as much as
1:40:08
water. Does water scatters DNA when
1:40:11
somebody dies in water. It's hard.
1:40:13
A lot of times for forensic, people to identify what's going
1:40:17
on in their white because it scatters the DNA that means,
1:40:19
that life is more likely to start abiogenesis, the theory
1:40:23
who's proposing in this discussion is more likely to
1:40:26
happen in a grill. A hot fiery Grill, then in the
1:40:31
water? But people that don't think
1:40:34
about this, don't think through what they're saying they'll say
1:40:37
well bubblies bubbling within the broths of the ocean with
1:40:39
some chemical soup, I'm sorry. Chemicals, destroy life soup
1:40:44
destroys life. I'm sorry, our ancestor was not
1:40:48
can't bail soup. They got eroded off of some
1:40:50
granite rock. Our ancestors were Adam and Eve.
1:40:55
Y chromosome, Adam mitochondrial eve.
1:40:57
And we can verify that they lived in the distant past via
1:41:00
mutation rates. And that there was a flood about
1:41:02
4,500 years ago and I've shown the geological evidence of that.
1:41:06
And so in closing, I just want to encourage people that are
1:41:09
listening to do, the research. Don't believe what I'm saying,
1:41:12
simply do the research yourself and I think mr.
1:41:16
Jones would probably say the same thing.
1:41:18
So, mr. Jones, just want to say, thanks
1:41:20
for thanks for the Tation and I thought overall it got heated
1:41:26
but I did think it was a good discussion and I want to wish
1:41:28
you the best. Take care.
1:41:31
Mr. Jones, you to my own, thank you for coming on and accepting
1:41:38
the invitation to this discussion.
1:41:41
I want to wish you and your family and everybody at dinosaur
1:41:44
Adventure Land. All the very best and I really
1:41:46
do mean that. Let me see.
1:41:50
I've heard an awful lot of evolution bashing.
1:41:55
I've heard a lot of Big Bang Theory, bashing neighborhood,
1:42:00
Genesis bashing. Bob's not heard any evidence so
1:42:03
far for God Only Time, space and matter, and, but I just don't
1:42:12
know. Yes, I've done research.
1:42:15
Yes, I went to Sunday school. When I was a kid, read the
1:42:18
Bible. And I question the Bible, when I
1:42:21
was a kid, you know. I know I asked I can snake stock
1:42:25
and, you know, and all the rest of Italy, the usual, the usual
1:42:28
stuff on you. When you were a child, What I've
1:42:32
heard. No evidence for and no evidence
1:42:37
for creation. Only God did it and it says it
1:42:42
in the Bible that God did it. But God the Bible is the word of
1:42:46
God. But it's circular reasoning and
1:42:48
and Matt said he has a problem with circular hole.
1:42:50
Certainly there is a problem with circular reasoning, so I
1:42:56
honestly don't know. I'm like, I say, I want to thank
1:43:00
obviously Brett Keen for Alston this as well.
1:43:03
And Yes, I do encourage people to look into it because there is
1:43:09
no scientific evidence for the Supernatural and God is
1:43:15
apparently Supernatural. And there's no scientific
1:43:17
evidence for this none whatsoever.
1:43:19
There is no, there is no scientific evidence.
1:43:23
In the Bible, the Bible is factually incorrect, the Bible
1:43:28
describes, the Earth is flat and obviously, we know that the
1:43:30
Earth isn't flat Bible describes Wales as fish and we know Oh,
1:43:33
that they are not fish. Why would God puts whales in the
1:43:38
sea and make them breathe the atmosphere.
1:43:41
It seems crazy to me. But, you know, I just like to,
1:43:48
obviously just finish on this point.
1:43:50
Yes. Do your own research, and come
1:43:53
to your own conclusions, but don't it's difficult.
1:44:00
It's difficult. Yeah, just do your own research.
1:44:02
Come to your own conclusions. And I just wish everybody.
1:44:08
The best everyone in the side chat.
1:44:10
I wish mats and his family, all the best, which rep keen and his
1:44:13
family, all the very best and I hope you live long and prosper
1:44:18
prosperous lives and, you know, and just do well in whatever you
1:44:23
choose to do. And once again, thanks.
1:44:26
Thank you to everybody. Thanks to Matt.
1:44:29
And thanks for Brett and thanks to everyone the side chat as
1:44:31
well. All right.
1:44:35
Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen, and God bless.
1:44:34
All right. Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen,
1:44:37
and God bless.