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Episode 300 Not So Celebration - Italy fails another World Cup Qualification · The Calcio Guys

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  Speaker 1: Questa Mattina.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not the best of days to be recording episode
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  Speaker 2: three hundred got the couch guys, but I did want
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  Speaker 2: to throw it back to that song that we own
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  Speaker 2: know born by rock Wall Hunt. It was an opening
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  Speaker 2: song for the first season that the first year that
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  Speaker 2: we did it at c J Loo sixty ninety in Montreal,
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  Speaker 2: Episode three ninety, sorry three hundred Idrano Johnny on Nicholas, guys.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations to us. Three hundred episodes were
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  Speaker 2: three guys in our late twenties, early thirties. We've been
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  Speaker 2: doing this for almost eight years. Hey, let's give ourselves
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  Speaker 2: some flowers before we get into all the negative stuff
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  Speaker 2: labor later. I wanted to start with a positive guys,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing.
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  Speaker 1: You know that well, how we're doing well. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with this positive which I don't even know how we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do. But uh, the one thing I do want
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  Speaker 1: to say is that listen, we appreciate. We'll say it
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  Speaker 1: at the end too, because that's our stick. But again,
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  Speaker 1: just three hundred episodes. I mean Clint had done it
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  Speaker 1: obviously with better people and uh, you know, better friends.
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  Speaker 1: So again it's not only congratuations to me. But it's
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  Speaker 1: to you guys as well and just everybody who'll supported
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  Speaker 1: along the way, right. We always say it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's the biggest camaraderie of of doing this is uh
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  Speaker 1: is uh, you know, interacting, meeting, creating with you know,
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  Speaker 1: so many people around around the world, and that's been
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  Speaker 1: the biggest buguess busting out of all this. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know that was an open end question NI like,
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  Speaker 1: how we're doing you know, how we're doing so h
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  Speaker 1: But again it's uh, it's three hundred, hoping for three
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  Speaker 1: hundred more and and beyond and hopefully one of these
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  Speaker 1: days will have literally in a World Cup to kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know, talk and create content around and and
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  Speaker 1: and enjoy together. But for now, it's uh, it's another
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  Speaker 1: it's another failure, but a big success for the culture.
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  Speaker 1: Guys who going three hundred episodes strong and seven over
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  Speaker 1: seven years now. So it's just happy for the ride
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  Speaker 1: and you know, can't wait to continue on and and
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  Speaker 1: see where this goes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, three hundred episodes is something that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised we even hit. Usually a lot of podcasts
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  Speaker 3: probably stop after like fifty something. We definitely blown past
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  Speaker 3: that milestone. And it's not something that anybody can just
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  Speaker 3: say that, like, oh, we have a podcast that has
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  Speaker 3: gone this long. No, like we have like us like
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  Speaker 3: the culture guys, but not many people and know other
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  Speaker 3: people can can say that. And we haven't been like
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  Speaker 3: super super consistent like some people, but we haven't like
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  Speaker 3: really fallen off or like taken a long log break either.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy out. It turned for a little side hustle
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  Speaker 3: project for you know, Nicholas's university degree. And now we
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  Speaker 3: basically have a nice little following that we really appreciate
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  Speaker 3: that we have developed over the years and make connections
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  Speaker 3: with people that we never would have made connections normally with.
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  Speaker 3: And for me, that's that's what I really appreciate the most,
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  Speaker 3: of the fact that some people have been around since
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  Speaker 3: day one, some people have joined recently, and they still
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  Speaker 3: take the time out of their day to just play
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  Speaker 3: this for an hour, listen to us ran for about
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  Speaker 3: an hour as background noise whatever it may be, and
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  Speaker 3: sometimes even provide in put online. And that's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: mostly grateful for, just the fact that people take time
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  Speaker 3: out of their day for us. That's what I like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And at the end of the day, What
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  Speaker 2: I also enjoyed about talking with you guys is we
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  Speaker 2: all support different teams. I think that's what makes us
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  Speaker 2: fun and unique. We're not focused on one team. And
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, what I've loved these past seven
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  Speaker 2: and half years is just meeting people. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you guys could see this, but this is
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  Speaker 2: what I found before my application, our application to CGLO
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  Speaker 2: forun we started the show and you know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of questions like what are you proposed to do? What's
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  Speaker 2: the goal of this new show? And obviously it's very different,
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  Speaker 2: right university show we talk about Italian soccer. Who would
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  Speaker 2: have thought that, you know, we would have even I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know if we would have been accepted, right.
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  Speaker 2: But my spin then was I want to make this
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  Speaker 2: a community show, you know, talk about Italian soccer in
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  Speaker 2: the in the Montreal community, and that's what we did.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the beginning, we had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Montreal guests on and you know, since then, we've expanded
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  Speaker 2: past Montreal. We've had a lot of Toronto guests on
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  Speaker 2: UH and we've had people even from Australia, from Europe,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's what has been the most rewarding
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  Speaker 2: for doing this podcast is the community that we've built around,
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  Speaker 2: even just watching the game last week against Northern Ireland
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  Speaker 2: with with Biago, a guy who we met through this. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: we've been invited to weddings because the people we met
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  Speaker 2: through this. You know, it's crazy and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm most proud of. And Guys, I want to
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  Speaker 2: three moments, some of my personal moments from the past
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  Speaker 2: seven and a half years. But I think you guys
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  Speaker 2: will agree because these are kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, podcast defining moments. The first one that was
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  Speaker 2: really fun was when Richard Richard Carmen came into the studio.
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  Speaker 2: That was in our second season, so this was September
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He was visiting Montreal with his wife and
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  Speaker 2: his son and we met up with him. We took
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  Speaker 2: him to DG hot Dog. We showed him some Montreal
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  Speaker 2: hot dogs, puts in, we brought him to the studio.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of our I don't think he was
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  Speaker 2: our first in studio guest because we had other guys
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  Speaker 2: on like Francesco, like Alex Kutras, but just the fact
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  Speaker 2: that he was from the States and he knew us
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  Speaker 2: and we connected with him and he came all the
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  Speaker 2: way to Montreal and thought of us. That for me,
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  Speaker 2: that was one of the coolest experiences. One of the
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  Speaker 2: nicest people they ever meet.
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  Speaker 1: Richard.
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  Speaker 2: We've had him on other times. That was a fantastic experience.
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  Speaker 2: Another another one is I think this one's a bit
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  Speaker 2: a bit more iconic. Naming a kid. We had a
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  Speaker 2: had a hat, not that we named the kid, but
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  Speaker 2: we had a hand in.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Sean McIntosh his son being named Leone after Francesca Cheraby
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  Speaker 2: because he saw our post in July twenty twenty and
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  Speaker 2: comment on it. For me, that's one of still one
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  Speaker 2: of the craziest things ever because you know, we were
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  Speaker 2: just talking like that on the podcast. I cut the
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  Speaker 2: clip I posted on social media and then next thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Cheraby was commenting himself. So uh and then
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  Speaker 2: and then Sean McIntosh, his wife actually accepted it and
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  Speaker 2: and their their their son is named Leone, and uh
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  Speaker 2: so I'm I know he's he's growing up now. We
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  Speaker 2: we see we see his son on social media, Sean
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  Speaker 2: post and it's, Uh, every time I see him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with a soccer ball or whatever, I kind of feel
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  Speaker 2: you know, a little a little pride, right, guys, ye
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  Speaker 2: knowing that we've we've you know, kind of had a
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  Speaker 2: hand to hand, had a hand in helping this kid
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  Speaker 2: getting his name and easily are my favorite moment throughout
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  Speaker 2: the past seven and a half years. I think you
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  Speaker 2: guys will hunderstand agree. Italy winning the Euros in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one and being able to celebrate with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially when we're on little in little Italy together.
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  Speaker 2: That was such a fun moment. You know, my siblings
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  Speaker 2: were there, Johnny, your mom was there. We met up
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  Speaker 2: with other people just to celebrate that, especially after had
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  Speaker 2: what Italy had gone through the first time, missing the
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  Speaker 2: World Cup, what we had gone through with the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: Just everything about it, even the whole tournament, starting from
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  Speaker 2: that first game. Was it against Turkey or Switzerland? That
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  Speaker 2: I forget It was Turkey watching in my backyard and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know you guys watched that Spain game
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  Speaker 2: together and you guys were celebrating in RDP. Even the
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  Speaker 2: content that we put out during that time was so
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  Speaker 2: much fun. We met so many people, talk to so
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  Speaker 2: many people, and that's what I love about talking about
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  Speaker 2: the AZUITI is. Look, we each support different teams. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: that listened to us supports different teams. But when it's
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  Speaker 2: the summertime in an even number year, hopefully normally we
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  Speaker 2: should be able to talk about the Zuitians. That hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been the case the past eight years. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about this later about the World Cup. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what I'm most sad about, not being able
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  Speaker 2: to celebrate, not be able to watch together, not not
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  Speaker 2: be able to do that content together. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm most proud of, is you know, not, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm proud of that we come on the podcast every week,
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  Speaker 2: this and that, But what I remember most so far
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  Speaker 2: in these three hundred episodes is the time we've been together,
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  Speaker 2: in these cool moments, meeting other people and celebrating with
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  Speaker 2: other people. Yeah, that that's That's kind of what I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about to start the show on a
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  Speaker 2: positive note. Those are kind of my personal things I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to bring up. I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 2: had had any other favorite things from the past past
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  Speaker 2: seven and a half years, or if you guys wanted
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  Speaker 2: to add anything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just the you mentioned obviously, the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the euro win and you know, for for us that
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  Speaker 1: that like that was a big boost obviously, right, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, Nick, you know not and it's not even
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  Speaker 1: about we always say, it's not even about like the views,
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  Speaker 1: the follows, the clicks, the likes, the the interactions, like
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  Speaker 1: obviously we we love all that stuff too, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: just just being together I think was the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, celebrating you know, win after win after win,
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  Speaker 1: and then obviously the end was was was the cherry
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  Speaker 1: on top. But you know that, I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: I won't ever forget it, and I hope Johnny won't either.
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  Speaker 1: But that Spain game at your Charros in the in
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  Speaker 1: the you know, weird weather. It was beautiful when we
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  Speaker 1: got there. Then it randomly became like a like a
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  Speaker 1: thunderstorm or whatever. It was like rain and stuff and
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  Speaker 1: power outage and cut the stream and everybody's watching on
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  Speaker 1: phones and whose stream is ahead of who's and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the final penalty, kid goes in and you
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  Speaker 1: know we we know we advance and just the uh,
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  Speaker 1: just the rush really just hugging strangers, right and just
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  Speaker 1: absolutely loving every minute of it. And then you know
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  Speaker 1: gracious of Johnny to to go down Maurice dopo see
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  Speaker 1: and hear an RDP right and uh and getting totally mobbed. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Those are moments like I still have those obviously on
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  Speaker 1: my phone. And every now and then you kind of
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  Speaker 1: just scroll and just you know, I hate always being
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  Speaker 1: you know, reminiscing and stuff like that, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you just scroll and you happen to catch a
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  Speaker 1: you know, a moment or a or a flashback post
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  Speaker 1: and it's like Jesus christ Man, these were these were
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  Speaker 1: great moments and like things I'll never forget, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just just that mobbing of the car, like Johnny can
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  Speaker 1: tell you too, guys. It's it was just such a rush,
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  Speaker 1: such a moment, such an iconic thing for for for us,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that obviously was was a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then I whip it all the way back to
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we first first started, and just I
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  Speaker 1: think just our growth and again it's not the too
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  Speaker 1: our own horn, right guys, Like it's it is where
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  Speaker 1: it is. I think the more you do something that
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  Speaker 1: you know, the more familiar you'll get, you the more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable you get, and just from you know, episode one,
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  Speaker 1: which unfortunately, near the beginning of the the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: our existence, we had to you know obviously, uh be
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  Speaker 1: in a bad mood talking about Italy. And now we're
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  Speaker 1: three hundred episodes later and we're still in the same predicament,
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  Speaker 1: but just just being you know, more comfortable and just
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  Speaker 1: continuing to express you know, I love for for culture
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  Speaker 1: and you know, connecting, you know, the beautiful game you know,
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  Speaker 1: with as many people as you know, we can reach.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's for me, has been has been the
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  Speaker 1: biggest thing. I just remember obviously the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the the the the guests coming coming on, if it
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  Speaker 1: being studio or just having a bit of like a
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote professional setting and kind of being in person
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  Speaker 1: with you guys, I think it was it was the
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  Speaker 1: biggest cool like the cool thing to have. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll never I'll never stop saying it.
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  Speaker 1: But just like I said earlier, the camaraderie of of
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  Speaker 1: being able to interact, meet and call which one one
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  Speaker 1: at one point where strangers friends today, for me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's endless, that's timeless like that that'll that'll
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  Speaker 1: never that will never go away. So yeah, just again
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  Speaker 1: super proud. Like again, I remember episode one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, man, like episode one hundred and then
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  Speaker 1: like two hundred rolls around and now like you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're we're going around and it's like fuck, it's three
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  Speaker 1: hundred episodes later, and it's like you almost can't believe it,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. So from the highs, the
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  Speaker 1: lows and everything in between, again, just super grateful. Uh
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, like Nick, the poor the picks you you
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  Speaker 1: obviously put were we're top obviously. Richard Carmen said he
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  Speaker 1: has sit down o g in the in the you know,
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  Speaker 1: cultural podcasting game at the time. Yeah, that's that was cool.
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  Speaker 1: And I again first first guest, you know, Marcello, gracious
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  Speaker 1: enough right from you, and we we love them to death.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, listen, he a lot of these people
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of these guests that we've had just
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  Speaker 1: even give us a chance right to to to come
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  Speaker 1: on and kind of just we always say, man, we're
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  Speaker 1: three three guys, you're shooting the ship talking culture. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of been our stick from the beginning, and
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  Speaker 1: we've taken that to to a level of whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call this right now, but just people being
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  Speaker 1: willing and wanting to come on, and and and being
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  Speaker 1: grateful to have to be coming onto the show, and
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  Speaker 1: and obviously explain expressing their uh, you know, their their
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  Speaker 1: thoughts and and and whatever it may be. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: from from Marcello the first guest too, to all the
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  Speaker 1: way now three injurred episodes later, I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: been you know, the biggest thing and another cool thing
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  Speaker 1: that I've always liked is just hearing people's introduction into culture.
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  Speaker 1: That that famous question that we've always asked every first
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  Speaker 1: time guest, right, guys, and if you've stuck out with us,
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  Speaker 1: you know long enough, you've kind of caught onto that question, right,
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  Speaker 1: So hearing those stories and just you know, even if
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  Speaker 1: it be oh, well I've you know, picked up FIFA
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  Speaker 1: video game and now I'm a fan of X team,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, it got passed down from you know,
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  Speaker 1: my my my Italian family might not know my dad
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  Speaker 1: like whatever it may be, or you know, uh, just
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  Speaker 1: anything in between. We've heard the normal spectrum and then
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  Speaker 1: like all the way down to the like the complete
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  Speaker 1: opposite crazy side of the spectrum of how to become
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  Speaker 1: a fan and what caught an eye and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if it's a first jersey, maybe it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a moment, maybe it's the World Cup, maybe it's six,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, certain certain moments in time. But
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  Speaker 1: that's another thing that just stands out, uh for me,
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  Speaker 1: is is hearing people's stories and then expressing our our
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  Speaker 1: you know, our love for for the game. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I love that will never go away. You know I
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  Speaker 1: can speak for myself. It'll never go away no matter
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  Speaker 1: how dark the times are. I think I will always
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  Speaker 1: hopefully be a around to talk about it. But by man,
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  Speaker 1: that's just been I know we're gonna have to get
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  Speaker 1: into the doom and gloom and in about you know,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes now. But yeah, that's just been
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  Speaker 1: kind of off the top of my head where I
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  Speaker 1: can really just you know, come come to to say.
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  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, like just even like you said, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: last week was it was almost like an It should
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  Speaker 1: have been the appetizer of what was going to be
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  Speaker 1: an exciting summer in terms of content wise, in terms
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  Speaker 1: of collaborating and and meeting obviously you know, new people
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  Speaker 1: and just having uh formed you know, bigger and better friendships.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Joe again a guest of ours recently, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously we've connected on social media a lot in the
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  Speaker 1: past and finally got brought to life to kind of
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  Speaker 1: collapse together and just gracious enough to even invite us
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  Speaker 1: to his own home, right, Like, you know, he did
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  Speaker 1: not have to do that, right, Like, it's it is
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  Speaker 1: what it is. You know, these are these are you know,
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  Speaker 1: good people, right Bell Breni as well, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: these guys, you know, these these are good people that
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  Speaker 1: we've met and you know, we call friends and we
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  Speaker 1: hope to uh, you know, obviously continue doing what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing and continue on this path of wherever it may
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  Speaker 1: take us. But yeah, it's just been the biggest coolest
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  Speaker 1: thing and just even people reaching out right like saying like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I might be in in town, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, what's what's hopefully meet up or whatnot, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're in our neck of
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  Speaker 1: the woods, like definitely reach out. You know, we would
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  Speaker 1: love to have you. And that's been just another cool
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  Speaker 1: thing for me. Even just you know, the different fan
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  Speaker 1: clubs right like of you know, we've we've met so
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  Speaker 1: many people from different fan clubs of different clubs, like
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just been, that's just again for me,
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  Speaker 1: is timeless? That all that'll it's just priceless. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's probably the better word. But yeah, that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of what comes up to off the top of my
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: head right now. But definitely definitely a lot of cool,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: cool moments, good, bad and ugly along the way.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I think some of my favorite moments would have to
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: be essentially the celebrations together, were going to watch games together. Yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: definitely like hanging out with friends outside of the pod.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Because of the podcast, I still feel terrible. I wasn't
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: able to make it to Batado's house because I had
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: my game to coach. Uh worked out In the end,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: my team and I ended up contacts. I coached my
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: school's girls soccer team to a gold medal. So I
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: am Josie Mourino. That's the photo bro.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: No, Mickey Mouse, I was gonna bring it up regardless
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: of Jenny.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: This is three hundred episodes deep, even though we have
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: our technical difficulties every now and then. Mickey Mouse.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, he's he's ready, he's ready, We're ready.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: For context, last year, the school's battam girls so secondary
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: ones and twos or great seven and eighths were anybody
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: outside of Montreal. They lost every game last year. This
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: year I brought them to a championship so and won
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: the championship. So yeah, I was doing I was just
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: very lucky to actually have some good players to use
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and a good supporting cast for them. So I don't
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: know how it's gonna be like for the school next year,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: because my contract was only for this year. We'll see
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: where I am next year. But wherever I go, I'll
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: make sure to try my mess to help that school
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: win something for soccer. But yeah, but overall, like I said,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: but I said it before and I'll say it again.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Favorite thing about doing this pod and one of my
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: happiest moments is just you just like, oh, like I'll say, go,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like I go to Toronto, I go to somewhere in
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: the States or whatever. People that I've we've had guests on,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I'll message them and we'll hang out, you know, Like
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I would have never hung out with these people because
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I would have never known them if it wasn't for
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: this pod. So so that's that's something that I will
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: always be appreciated for because there's a lot of good
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: people in this community. I love Couch Show and talking
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: about Calchow and it's nice to be united and we
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: need this unity for a time especially.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I just want to say again, love you guys, love
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: doing this past three hundred episodes. Agoy annoy. Uh, you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: guys also know how much I love doing uh pop
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: quizes on this. I know Jenny's the teacher, but I
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: have some questions. Couch your guys theme city.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: As didn't study? Fuck?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'm.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry I did. That's what it's called pop quiz. Do
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: you guys know who?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: First, I want to ask how many guests have we
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: had on in three hundred episodes? You guys like different guests, Yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I'm many unique guests.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Fuck I forget if you told me on the right
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to no no, actually once, but it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Seems too high because we had a lot of repetitions.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Sod on.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say that was actually close, Jenny, really
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: one hundreds Okay, it's in between one eleven eleven.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went I was closer.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but price is right rules I win. You
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: went over you busted, bro. Yea.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: We literally went through all of our episodes and I
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: wrote down, you know, every guess we've had technically one
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: ten because Pizza Calcho, Billion Mo, It's it's they've always
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: appeared together in reality, it's that's one eleven and we.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Love billion, Thanks for amazing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: There's a reason. There's a reason why. Yeah, there's a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: reason why.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: The wash No, it's gonna ring soon. I think.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Have the display pro FC super represent different guests that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: we've had on you guys know who who appeared most
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: times on the podcast. Uh, and it's not just one person,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: by the way, t four way tie. I'm gonna give
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you that four way tie or way tie.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Uh, I wanna go with.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, no is that one?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Okay? I was gonna I was gonna say either Calm
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: or Steph Trawfy as.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Well Karm you got Karm? Okay, So Stephan is Steph
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: four times? So uh the most of six times?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Rafa, we have car arm for sure? Yanny yep y
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: six Yeah, wow, I'm two for four so far.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say Lucci, but I don't think so.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, he.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Is up there though he's actually at five.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He's at five he's close. Who else? Fuck we have?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: How many we're missing? How many we're missing? One more
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so Karm? Whould you say Karm, Rafa, Yanni.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yanny, Alex Donald Yep, yeah exactly Donald. So you know
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: if they're listening, Nick, Alex, Rafa, Karm, All amazing guys
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: tied for six times each on the on the guest.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: We have a couple of more at five times I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: have it. I'm gonna put it up on the screen.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Five times we got Nando Fabrizio Cardone, the General Fan
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Dan Daniel Lucci and Saus Gimp, John Marco. Four times
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: got Ken j Freddie, Sean McIntosh, Steph Trofi, Martino Pucco
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and Marcello. And then three more times we have Steve Palilo,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Gabe Pucci from Viola Violinisian Joe Cappuccino from Aldive Cast,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Richard Steve from the Tati Pizza Calco, and then Alberta
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: from all Ve Cast.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Twenty seven people have appeared twice and then a bunch
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of other people six two times just once so.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Make sure that we like tag them with a clip
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: like this said say thank you, thank you for all
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: you guys for coming off and thank you so much
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: putting up with us and actually giving us the time.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Time man like, it's you know you should feel on
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you guys, I don't know you should feel on that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you've been on this minch No, but joking aside, we
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: love you man. It's a it's a it's truly a blessing.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I want to ask see if you guys remember the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: city a season in twenty team twenty nineteen when we
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: first started, who were the top three capital and how
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: many goals did you score?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: My god?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think we all remember the first one.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Qualia had a lot?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Easy that was that was what?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: No, No, you got you got got it? You got
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in the thirties.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: No, it was thirty thirty five. Is the thirty six
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: is the record? No?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the year after or two
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: years after.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, So then you got about twenty eight goals.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I think it was twenty nine, twenty nine.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, So Qualia had a lot was in there? Uh?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Nope? So it was twenty six for Qualita.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: So he was number one. Uh emobile was in the mobile?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Wasn't no squed he was after was.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: After after he went on?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: This wasn't there?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: You said he got it. He wasn't in the top three.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Guayin Nope. Well, I don't even know if you played
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: in the city had that season. I think that's the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: year he went to Chelsea, is it, because that's when
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Ronaldo join Juve?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, so there, So Ronaldo was one of the top three.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Nope, he wasn't.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Second, wasn't. When we're making jokes that Qua beat Ronaldo.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: No he did. I mean he did, but it wasn't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: top three. You guys want to hint Zacho, No, Zach wasn't.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, that's another moment on the park.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: John Tech twenty two. Uh, and then he was number
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: three and then twenty three goals was merchants nopet Oh
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: my god, yes there you're this is here twenty six,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Pata twenty three, Contact twenty two. Ronaldo did get twenty one,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Ship Millik seventy goals. Ye about Millic. Every time I
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: think of Milic, I just think of bench Millic.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: That's what I think those sixteen goals Man crazy was
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the fridge pat six sixteen crazy Mertons?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Another question, which teams that participated in the that season
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in the City. I are no longer in the city
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: or city of b spat spat. Yeah, but I staly
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: did not play twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: They played the year afterwards.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, exactly. Well, I think I last checked they
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: were in fifth division. I think they went back up again, exactly.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: They even changed games and everything.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: My god, that's that's that's a that's a down ball.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And no, uh wasn't in partisan city. No, no, no, no, no,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I'm doing but close close in terms of colors. Are close?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Oh? No, I talked about the No, I thought you
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: about the Uh, I'm an idiot. I thought you about
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the alb elblem. Look I've I'm still sick.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, vera yeah, yeah, yeah, they're they're in city of du.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Eight seasons later, two teams that are no longer even
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: in the top two flights of time.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just connecting the call right now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And then, you guys know, we love to discuss coach firings.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Who was the first coach firing in twenty eighteen nineteen.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Do you guys remember the season and who replaced them?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Because the player, the guy who replaced them, we might
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: talk about him soon.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Was it? Oh? Was that the year of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: was that they jump no.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Uh no jumpa No. That was after Acord No, no,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: no exactly, that was after it was it was it
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: then he came on as the replacement.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: He came on as a replacement. So was that no Tono?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: No fucking really cool forgetting Now who was the first
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: one said with DeFrancesco?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: No, DeFrancesco wasn't fired? No, no, no, because that was
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the year they went to Uh they went to the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: champions semis.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Is the name we should know? No, Okay, then what
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the fuck are we doing?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Okay? Uh so there's two There were two coaches fired
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: on October ninth. The first was Lorenzo Dana from Kievo.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He was replaced by Ventuda, and the other one was
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Ballardini uh with Genoa. Genoa was fired but was replaced
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: by Uric. So it's a little fun one I want
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to throw in and uh, now's the time, guys? How
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: many old how many World Cups has it qualified for
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in the past three hundred episodes? Zero, big, big fat zero?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: About thirty minutes. We started off strong, we celebrated us.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to break this into a intwo clips
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for your brow we're gonna have to do the positive clip,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna have to do the negative clip.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And this is the perfect second.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's happened again. Wait, I think I have
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I think I have a sound I think I have
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: a sound clip for this. I don't. Oh no, I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: don't die. I'll find something. Wait, okay, let me you
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: know what, let me pull let me pull it up.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: But seasonal, Yeah, okay, here, I got it, share.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Space. What do you mean you've seen this? It's brand new. Hey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I've seen this one.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I've seen this where Ralph.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: We've seen this one, guys three times now. It's crazy. Jenny,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you you missed it. But me and Johanna were talking,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: uh before the you know, before recording, Like I was
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: seventeen when Italy last playing the World Cup. Even if
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they do qualify in twenty thirty, I'm gonna be thirty three.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I might have almost doubled in each there's it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I have so almost forty dude, shut up, twenty thirty,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I'll be thirty eight. Oh my god, shut up. Oh
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: like thirty seven going down thirty eight.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Please, guys, you know what, And it's crazy.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I'll be retired from the national team by.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: That j.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that the way the last World Cup ended
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: with Suarez biting Killini, Marquisio getting the red and Italy
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: losing on a corner corner kit goal from Diego Gauden
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: is the last images we see for minimum minimum of
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: sixteen years, and it you know it, it sucks. It's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: like the first time it happened was really hard because
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it was the first time. But we're all like, hey,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: they'll qualify next time. Next time it comes down, go
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: go qualify, all right, or at least we had the Euros.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: This time comes around and it's just the circumstances, the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: fact that we knew who Italy would have played right
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: here in right here in Toronto, when they would have
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: played it's right there. They were one game away. It's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: not like when they lost to North mathis Udonia, where
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that was like the semi final of the playoff. This
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: was the final in pennies. They had the lead in
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the game. Ah, guys, I feel like, you know, there's
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: lots to talk about. I do want to start with
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the game itself, because I think this was a game
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that the red card ruined it. Let's be honest, if
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: there's no red card, I think think he goes out
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and wins. It started off well, but as soon as
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that red card happened and Gatuzo sat back and played
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a three to five to one and took off red
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: tagee for Gatti, I didn't know. I can't say I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: thought it was over then, but I knew they were
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: just gonna hope for the best. They were just gonna
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: play defensive. Bosnian was going to control play and hope
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: for the best. And as soon as as Bosnian scores,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: making one one, I honestly didn't think they would last
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: through the thirty minutes. I thought Bosnian would come out
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and score in the extra time, kind of like what
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: happened with you vaa year in the Champions that great.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I don't what I didn't like is just the response,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: how zero attack. They just you know, got into a shell.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And I think this is also one of the reasons
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: why they they lost this game, is they were afraid
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to lose. That's how they played. They were afraid to lose.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: They were afraid to not qualify again. If you know
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: this is this happened let's say twenty seventeen, and or
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: even if they had qualified the other two times. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: don't think that it would have been as much as
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: in their heads. It's gone into their heads now, guys,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And this is what I'm already worried about for the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: euro qualifying, for the next World Cup qualifying. They're afraid,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: they're afraid of these qualifiers, They're afraid of these countries,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: these Let's be real, we should have won this game.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Italy should be Bosnia nine times out of ten. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: think if they played Bosnia nine times out of ten,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: they would have won just this one game because I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: want stupid red, one stupid tackle from Bestoni that they
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: go down and it changed the game. Obviously, Yes they
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: had other chances, you know, but what the last chance
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: was around the fifty fifth minute, King was absolutely isolated.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: They got nothing going. I think that's in the you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: just looking at the game itself, that's what what costume.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It really came down to coaching. Look, I'm gonna be honest.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I can't say like Bosnia deserved to win either. They
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: played eighty minutes with a man advantage. Yes, they did
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the right things, they scored, they won in penalties. They
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: ultimately they're going to the World Cup. They deserve that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Good for them, but in isolation, like how much of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a better team worthy in this game? Like I said,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you play this game entirely nine minutes, eleven on eleven,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think Bosnian wins and I don't think Italy
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: plays defensive like that either. Look, even after the King goal,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: they didn't sit back. They started sitting back after the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: red cards. So that's that's the frustrating thing for me
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: yesterday's game. You know, it's not like the Sweden game
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: where they couldn't get anything going, or even even North Macedonia,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: yes they had. You know, we've already missed that one chance.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But this was Italy's own undoing, not so much that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Bosnia was the better team, if that makes sense. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys agree.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Uh, well I'll go first. Yeah, I believe it's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: little bit of column A and a little bit of
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: column B. I feel like this was the writing was
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: on the wall, was obvious right before the game started.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: He knew going into this that it's gonna happen again.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Let's be real, it's gonna happen again. If you didn't
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: wake up on Monday morning, sorry Tuesday morning and you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: not have that feeling in your stomach like yeah, it's
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: gonna happen again, you're lying to yourself. We've seen we
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: we knew that, like there was a lack of essence,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: quality confidence in the roster going into this, and yes
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: it is. And this is where the other part comes in,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: where it's unfortunate that the red card happened because there
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: was a mistake that at TAGI caused that turnover to happen,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and that caused you know, uh Bastoni to make that
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: grave error of tackling the last man back to cause
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: them to get a you know, the red card. And
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, like like every game it's gonna
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: be like like, oh, like if like the Sweden game,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: you could say was Ventuura, the North Macedonia game, they
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: parked the bus for ten players behind the ball for
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: eighty minutes, so they got that one chance and then
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: that one chance happened. But even if they would to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: beat North Macedonia, you think they're gonna be Portugal next
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: game after that. Let's be real, no, and now you're
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: gonna say this Bosnia game with the red card with
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: on Bastonian and Bastonia made a mistake about guys. It's
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: not an individual's fault. It's the entire federation at fault.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: And right, he was on the wall prior to this game,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and I said, like having guys in the room, like
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you know, Bonucci, Bouffon and Gattuso, you know, getting involved,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this might be enough to wake them up
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and you know, get them to you know, realize what
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: they have to do. And yet it's still not enough.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And it's I don't even know what the thing is.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not even blaming like the coaches. I'm not blaming Gatuzo,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not blaming hold On. Okay, he made some errors. Yes,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: he made mistakes, you know, like like every manager does,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: but he still managed to get what was it? How
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: much did they finish with the sixteen points seventeen points
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: into the qualifiers? How many points did they get the qualifiers?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Two losses only?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Let's just say yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: To the Norway two losses only. So like as if
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the guy didn't, you know, change, It's like there wasn't
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: a losing team. It wasn't a team that was like
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: tying or losing games that they would't have been losing.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: You know what, I mean like he was getting them wins.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: He was trying to turn the ship around, but it
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: still wasn't enough. Now you could say, oh, circumstances are qualified.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: How to Sweden with zero wins get qualified for the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: World Cup, But Italy with six wins helped playing in
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: this playoff situation. Blah blah blah blah. Guys, you can
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: you can say all these things. Stop worrying about what's
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: going on in the other yards, fatty faty toy, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: like we have to look inwards. And even if Italy
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: would have won, it would have been like another euro
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: situation where the success is masking the big issue overall.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And but for this game specifically, as soon as like
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you know, we got the red card and we saw
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: that they were playing back and scared. I don't say scared,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: but like monder Tippites, that's probably a better way, like
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: they're afraid to make any mistakes at all. You knew
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: it was gonna happen, like I was just there, like
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: it'll be a miracle for make it to the end
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and not letting it knowing them can see the ball.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: You knew it was gonna happen at some point. And yes,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I'm with you Nick that I'm surprised that they even
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: survived and not lasted until penalty shots. I don't blame Kean.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I don't blame Kean because, like you said it perfectly,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: he was isolated after that rec card and even got
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a chance and the poor guy missed. But the guy
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: scored six goals in six games. You know, we always
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: everyone used to always get put a little over striker.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: We have a guy who's scoring goals. He did his job,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: he scored goals. You know what I mean. It's like
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: it's not as if he's not. He's like, now we
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: actually have players that are capable of putting the ball
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: in the net. So what's the big what's the big?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: What's the next issue? Now? Defense? Was it midfield like
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: we have like we have we have. We saw some
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: world class talent, but a tonality are world class talent.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: It's like as if these guys are Joe Schmoe's It's
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it is a mentality issue.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: It's also circumstances. But this is like the tip of
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the iceberg. I will go further later on. Yeah, I'll
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: go further later on. Yeah, Like Adrian I'll let Adri
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: talk about the game, yeah, because.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we'll break it down further. And that's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: why I said we're probably gonna have to break this
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: episode and two clips for YouTube because we're in for
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a long ago tonight. But yeah, I listen, guys like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I've we heard it enough. Oh Italy sucks. It'll we
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: players this, it'll players that all gatooso this oo that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I don't care if it's on paper,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: if it's on the pitch, if it's in FIFA FC
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: twenty six, whatever the fuck you want to say. Italy
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: has to beat Bosnia Puno ebasta. There's no two ways
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: around it. You have to win that game. That decision
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of a last man taco. I'm sorry, and I know
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it starts from the clearance of Don Ruma. That again,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: twenty what is a twenty seven years old and he
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: still can't play with the ball at his feet to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a level that we need him to play at world
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: class keeper and I love him but for that, but
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you know, clear then was clearing the ball. We were
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: punting the ball, clearing the ball on that potato patch
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: campagna esque field. That again, I don't even know how
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that is remotely possible to play on. But again, it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: was bad for us, it's bad for them. I'm not
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: making that excuse. Punts the ball that his clearance starts,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: starts off that whole transition of things to happen. We
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: won absolutely no aerial balls after punting those clearances in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the midfield. We want none of them. We were always
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: second to every ball. Our defense is playing so high
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: up in that in that instance that no matter what
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was going to happen, we were gonna get caught, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you know, red like with our pants down based And
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird analogy to use, but it
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: is where it is. And you know, Bastonia's playing back
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but take your chances to live another
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: day because you make that mistake which obviously ended up happening.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And you know as a player, as a defender that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you've been playing since you were a kid, that you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: make that tackle in that instance, that will be a
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: red card. There's no two ways around it. We were
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: hoping and praying that you know, maybe I don't know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: this ref was gonna maybe not see something. The bar
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was gonna be a little bit funky, and we were
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: gonna get away with something. Guys, there was nothing to do.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: As soon as he went down and news red.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly we knew we were going to get away
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: with with murder there that was. It's clear like Stevie
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Wonder saw that call right. And the guy's blind. So
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just imagine what a guy with a pair of eyes
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: functioning eye can can conceive. And I'm sorry, but Bastoni,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: love him or hate him, and I don't care how
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you feel about him, It's not important how you feel
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: about him personally. You cannot make that decision in a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: game of this magnitude. You want to fucking do that
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: mistake inter Leche, you know, inter Parma, you know when
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you're already up three nothing and you're fucking winning the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: game and you're gonna win the scudetto. Okay, you know what, Fine,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: we'll give you that pass. But Bosnia Italy World Cup
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: qualifying final match to make it to this fucking god
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: forsaken World Cup that we've been missing for already now
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: twelve fucking years, you go and make that decision in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: your heads that live the fucking uh, you know, play
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to live another day. You didn't have I mean again
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: we have to go back and maybe look at it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Did you have to make that time? You know what,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I'd rather get scored on with eleven men and have
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a chance, equal chance to go and get another goal
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: because we were up at that point right one nothing
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: then to now be down the man for well eventually
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: after obviously you know the one hundred and twenty minutes
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you know we are the penalties for what was it
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: almost seventy five eighty minutes of the game, right, like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: just live another day, Like we don't have to make
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: those decisions. And again that you know, mentality, we can
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: say all we want whatever, but like for me, that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: for me personally, and again everybody can disagree with me,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Is inexcusable. You cannot say that that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: is the decision you're going to go with. Cause again,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: let him I don't even like listen, if you would
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: have got a shot off, if Donanuma saves it, if
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: he doesn't save it, let us take all those chances.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Don't take those chances. Not that we're at a numerical
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: disadvantage for eighty for for the rest of the game
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: eighty minutes. So for me, for first off, that whole
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: sequence of events from the Donanouma clearance to not winning
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: a ball aerial ball in the midfield on those fifty
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to fifties to Bostoni's error for me is is just
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: unacceptable in itself. And we started off the game scoring first.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to have to suffer a
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: bit longer. We got to go in the first fifteen
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: minutes from their error. You know, at first it seemed
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: like who didn't want to make the error? First, we
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: got gifted, you know, an early error by Bosnia. You
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: know the keeper, you know, Bella makes the assist too,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: keen keen, first time he slots it, and you know
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: he's he's, you know, doing the griddy and whatever, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: we're all celebrating as Italians. But after that, that spanned
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: from the fifteen minute to I think it was the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: forty second minutes when you got the red card. After
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that we knew, we knew it was gonna be a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: tough game. And what more did you want? What? What
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: did you expect to happen? What did we expect to happen?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: After being down a man in this crucial game. The
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: only thing you're gonna do is you're not gonna want
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to risk so much to to to go forward and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: get counter attacked and counter attacked over and over and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: over again. So no, it's only logical that you're gonna
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: think of going you know, sitting more back. So for that,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, that's for me, you know, you sit there.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I wanted to see something different, but
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: now we're stuck in this predicament where we're down the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: man and we have no choice but to defend for
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: our lives and hopefully, you know, hopefully bend, bend, bend,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: but don't break. Unfortunately we bent bent, bent, bent, bent,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and unfortunately we broke at the end, which again, scrappy goal,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a goal that I don't think should have happened if
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Like, we have to do way better
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in that whole sequence of events from Mancini to the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to that whole just that was a whole mess in
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: my opinion. But how much longer did you hope I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: want them to hold on? This is not the defense
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of and I always hate to go back, and we
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: were going back and forth in our group chats all
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: were I hate going back to the past, and how
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: we're going to go forward as a nation. But this
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is not the defense of the past that they judy
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: are used to. You know, none of these guys would
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: shine any of the our defenders of the past shows,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: right like that. That's just a given and I don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: want to use that as an example, but that's a fact,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and we have to be way better. And that's in
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that situation, you know, to go to the penalties, was
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I guess our that was our only shot. I guess
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you can say. A lot of people were saying, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: write it out for an extra thirty minutes, which they
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: end up doing, which again I guess you know shaple
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: for that. But you go to the penalties and I'm sorry,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but one worse than the other. And what kind of
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: fucking pisses me off? And I kind of didn't really
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: say anything. Is that people are like, oh my god, gratuso,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: he puts Poesposito the twenty year old first to shoot,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and why would he do that? And bah and but
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: these are the same people that wanted pure sposital the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: twenty year old to start the fucking match and now
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: he's gonna now he's getting crucified for having the fucking
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: balls to step up first. And Gatuso having the balls
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to allow him to do that, and we're fucking crucifying
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: him because he decided to miss and he pulled the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: fucking and I don't want to do the Parsons beautiful,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: but for me, it's crazy because we want the utes,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: as you know, we like to say here on the show,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: right the two utes, but we want that. But in
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the same breath, why would he go first? He cannot
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: go first? Why oh the tech he had a bad
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: game against Northern Ireland, we have to go with has
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to go PUOs posito, which again I wouldn't have mattered.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I would for me, it didn't matter like I would
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: have liked either way. He started off with it to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Taggi again and ultimately you know, he's the one who
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: got sacrificed for Gatty, like Nick said, And you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we're able to bring up Peo later, but people wanted
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: him to start the match. We want to bring more
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: youth talent into this fucking lineup, and we're gonna get
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: into that way later. And I know this is gonna
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: We're in for a long haul. Good tonight, guys, This
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: is this is we have a lot to discuss. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and now we're crucifying the manager for for that decision
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and the player for for missing. Oh and he's twenty
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: years old. Why would they put a twenty year old
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: striker attacker as the first striker? You should never do that,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: But is it is it? Is it possible? We we
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: we want these things to happen, but then we crucify them.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: And no kidding, we're fucking backwards as a nation because
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: we don't want to let these youngsters make miss takes. Yes,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: obviously this is a big mistakes and it's catastrophic for
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: not going for qualifying for a third straight World Cup.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: And I get all that, that's that's we get that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: We understand that, we're very well aware. But where's where,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like where does this this seesaw go? Like where's this balance?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Like where's like in one breath is one thing and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: then in the in the same that same breath. We
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: don't want that. So for me, that kind of pissed
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: me off. Uh, you know, to to to kind of say,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: obviously the miss is listen, the best Italian player and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I always hate to bring it up, but you know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Badjo obviously ninety four miss and and he's the best
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Italian player to ever play, according to most are none right,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: no matter what generation you're you're you're from, and obviously
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you'll have your favorites from your generation. But you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Badjo is is king, and you know obviously you know
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: he's he's missed and and stuff like that. But you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: so po missing is is this I don't want to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: say the minute problem of all this, but I think
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: he had he could have taken that penalty better for sure,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Like don't get me wrong, like why blast it like that?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And you know you're not talking right, You're not. You
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: know del Piero who had those these guys had a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: knock for for putting the ball in the back of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: that bottle. Telly a great penalty shooter shot taker as well,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: So for that, yes, I totally agree. But we saw
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a stat and I posted it, and I feel like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I've just been flooding our chats with different Nadzuti things
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: since yesterday. But and I apologize for that, but you
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: know I was seeing that. You know, not one of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the penalty kick takers have even taken a penalty shot
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: in Sadiyah the lot, and the last one to do
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it was pure supposed to playing in Setia B last
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: season at Spetzia and he scored so Christante, it's been years,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Tonali, he doesn't take them? Who else? Who
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: else was it? That was it? Right? No? Somebody that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was it? It was those scored one. It was just
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the scored one to now right, you know. And again Christante,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, who did he think he was? Fucking David Gay?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like David Tresa Gay, like he wanted
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to be Simoni's that's that, like bro, I don't fucking know.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: But like at that point, we're playing in penalties and
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: again it's a fifty to fifty whatever. I think Don
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Ruma could have been a lot better, and we know
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: him as being a better shot stopper in penalties. But
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: again I'm not going to blame him for that. We
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: should have put away, you know, the game obviously earlier on,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: with the chances that we do have, we did have,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: sorry out of wit to have seen Keene stay on
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: for longer. I know our Fernando had said that many
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: times and is something I do agree with, even though
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: people have their opinions on him, and I do think
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: he should have probably finished that open uh chance that
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: he had. There was the palaestra, right, you know, darting
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: through the darting through the heart of the defense that
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Balda toonally put and there was that instance as well.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, it's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it's not it wasn't good enough. We'll get into all
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the outside the pitch stuff probably soon here, but it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's these are the things that you know that frustrate me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And people are gonna blame the tools, so people are
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: gonna blame the players. And granted, listen, are we anywhere
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: near what we were in the past. No, do we
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: have enough quality in my opinion, to beat a team
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like Bosnia and to make an expanded forty eight fucking
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: team World Cup. I'm sorry, call me naive, call me blind,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: call me dom whatever you want to call me. The
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: answer for me is yes, yes, yes, Like you cannot
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: tell me that we don't have enough to make it
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: to a World Cup, that it's expanded to forty eight teams, expanded,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and to say that we don't you know whatever, Listen,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: we have our problems that we're gonna get into it,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm totally agree, and we all have our opinions.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: And I know Johnny said he has some good some
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: good bangers for for for for tonight's episode, but it's
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: this should have never have been again, does it would
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: have this win and us going to the World Cup
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and and all that masked and put another band aid
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and on on on real uh, you know, wounds and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and and problems with our federation. Absolutely it would have.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: But guys, it's been twelve fucking years. We haven't seen
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: this team in a World Club, in a World Cup.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: That in itself should be shameful, embarrassing. H Like, I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: don't even know what other word to use, because the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: first time was was and I've been I say it
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to Nick all the time, right like back then you
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: would have told me, oh, like, it'll not make it
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like we took qualifying for World Cups or being in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: World Cops for granted. It seems like because now we fought,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: we fast forward all these years and we can't make
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it for three in a row. So listen, we're gonna
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: get into the problems outside the pitch, you know, right now.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: But it's just for me that that's that's what's that's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: what's that's what hurts. And you know yesterday I was
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you know, lived, and today it stings even more, and
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna sting up until up until June. No matter
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: how you want to shape it. Guys, it's gonna hurt.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And and you know what, it gives us less interestinglan
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: to fault. I know there's kindada on your Canadian my mama.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I get it. Guys, we know all that fucking that
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that jazz, but for me, it's not the same. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself. These guys can speak for themselves,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: but for me, it's not the same. We'll potentially see
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Italy sixteen years without making a World Cup, hopefully twenty thirty.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Right next said, we'll be in our early thirties at
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: that point, Jenny, and is Uh in his prime, in
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: his point in his prime, thirty seven years old state,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: thirty eight year old state, hopefully. So Yeah, guys, like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's this hurts. It really does. And you would
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: think after now we would be used to it, which
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: we are, it seems like, which is fucking sad to say,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: But it shouldn't be that we're used to this. Yeah
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: we are, but for me personally, it still hurts. No
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: matter how you want to how you want to cut it.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I do want to talk about that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: off the pitch stuff personally on the pitch. There's two things. First,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: like I said to Mentality, you know, it almost feels
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: like you could we could have Prime del Piero, Prime
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Ta Ti prime kind of viral prime Boffo out there,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and we're still going to lose these games because something
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: stuck in their head and then hit a wall. And
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that's the point got into in qualifications. I know Gutuzos
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: was saying stuff like, oh, back in our day, the
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: top two in the group qualify this and then and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: then dude, sixteen teams, sixteen European team qualified. This is
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the same amount of teams as an old euros the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: ninety six to twenty twelve editions always sixteen teams. Italy
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: always qualified. So why is this any different? No excuse,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: no excuse, Like we said, losing to Posnia, losing North Macedonia.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: You know, the only team that's really like really showed
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: us how good they were with Sweden, it's the North
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Macedonia game. It was Ita least Italy is ownlydoing right.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I felt like they're almost thinking ahead to the portrait League.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: This game, Italy is don'doing off the pitch stuff. There's
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of talk about that. Obviously. I think we're
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: all in agreement. The federation needs to be shipped down.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: It's crazy to me, you know, obviously, I know Tobacco
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: was the president in their first failure. Yeah, but Gravina
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: has been there the past two times. It needs to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: restart at zero, new president, new structure and new everything
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: straight up. But for me, the most important thing if
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: you want to build up a good national team, it's
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: building from the youth up. So having proper programs, proper funding.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: You need the government involved, proper funding, you need clubs
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: involved to get these youth programs going to build kids
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: up from a young age, teaching them proper soccer. I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: know there was a lot of talk, you know, I
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was del Piero or whoever said,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: you know, they teach too much about tactics and they
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: don't let them just play. Teach them from a young age,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: let them build up, let them become good players. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: know there's a lot of people online, a lot of
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: talk online like, oh, Italy has to play more youth,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the city has to play more youth. I agree, yes,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: it would be nice to have more Italian youth one
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. But at this point, like why aren't these
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: teams playing. Look at the end of the day, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Napoli, Romolacho,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they care about their winning,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: their bottom line, their trophies. I'm sorry, but these teams
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit about the national team. Right Look
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: at Juventus since nineteen ninety six, we haven't won the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Champions League. Our number ten, our best players have been Italian, Portuguese, Argentinia,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: now Turkish. No matter who it is, it's the same
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: result and it's you is always gonna be pushing for
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that Champions League. They don't care who's that number ten, right,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: who's that best player? They want to win? Same? Look
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: look at Inter Foreign Investment, They're the best team right now. Yes,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: they have a couple of young Italian teams, but whether
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: they win the World Cup or Italy wins the World
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Cup or not, the bottom line and Inter it's gonna
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: stay the same. Italy losing today does not change into
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: his bottom line, does not change you's bottom line. So
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: it needs to be up to the figs FIGC to
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: take control. You can't rely on these teams to develop
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: the youth unless you give incentives. Say, look, if you
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: develop x amount of players through your youth system and
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: play them in the city for X amount of games,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: we're gonna give you the money. You're gonna make money
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: this young player.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: That's going to incentivize these teams to develop youth. Otherwise
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: they don't care if the youth players Turkish, Italians, Spanish, French.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Another thing, guys, I said this today in our chat,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: only four teams have a next gen team playing in
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: city achieve a you twenty three team, four teams?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You've inter Atalanta and Milan and Milan and you've started
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: twenty eight team and the other three were a bit
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: more recent. Why is that not the case?
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Why are more.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Teams funding these youth teams to play professional football? So
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: for me, yes, one hundred percent. More Italians seem to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: be playing City, Yeah, more, you know, more youth need
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: to be playing. But we need to figure out why
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that's not the cause. Because at the end the day,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I've said this before in the chat, in the in
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the podcast, teams shouldn't feel the need to play these
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: youth just because they're young. You want to play these
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: youth because they're good. So you need to find a
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: way for those young kids to be good first. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of examples of you know,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: maybe players not getting opportunities, is this that, But there
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: are also a lot of examples of players getting opportunity
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and growing. Look at one player I think of Loka Telly,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: you know, came up through me, through me line, got
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: to start a me line with a soul and now
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: was at Uve. Now he's started on the national team
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: one the Euros. Don Ruma, another player you know, started
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: at a young age because he was good, even Keen,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: it's almost ten years he's playing pro football. Look started
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: a young age with Juve, bounced around a few times,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: scoring most of the national team. Now they were good
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: at a young age and they earned their spot on
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the teams and they they're the ones they need to
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: follow the example. In my opinion, Look, I'm not an expert,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: but a youth player doesn't become good twenty years old,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: at twenty one, nineteen years old, whatever it is, just
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: because they're playing the city. Yeah, they need to be
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: good before that. They need to be developed and taught
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: at a younger age. If that makes sense. Yeah, all
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: that to say, like you know, one example, I kind
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: of think of hockey, right, Hockey can we have goalie
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: problem right now. You think you think Hockey Canada is
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: going to the Canadian NHL teams like, oh, you have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: to play a Canadian goal You think they're going to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the Montreal Canadians, Like, oh, guys, you have to play
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Samuel Montambau because he's Canadian. Hows don't give a shit,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they're playing check goalie, an American goalie. Hockey Canada needs
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: to develop goalies at a young age, just like the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: fig seed, and it needs to develop players at a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: young age. And that way you're gonna you're gonna build up.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: So you know, if you if you have a leak
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: in the house, yeah you could go patch up the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: whole whatever, but you want to find out the cause.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: So that for me, that's the most important thing building up.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It might take some time, guys, it might take some time.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: It's not overnight thing.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: It's not an overnight. It's definitely not an overnight.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: What is promising is the success of our youth teams.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: And then I know you can flip that around and
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, if our youth teams are having success,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: why and we having success success at the national team level.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: And then I could say, you know what, that's where
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the mentality comes in. But at the same time, our
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: youth teams, I know, the means they won a tournament recently,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: but other than that, like they've had some success but
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: not really. So it's it's it's a bit of a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: fine line. And one more thing, just having a proper
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: like developmental system through these youth teams, through the national teams,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Like it feels like there's a disconnect. There's a disconnect somewhere.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you need like a sporting director
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to oversee all the levels all the coaches for the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: coaches meet up. I'm sure these coaches meet up all
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the time, but you just everything just feels a bit disconnected,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: even now to the club levels. And yeah, it's for me,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: it's building from the ground up.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I have a lot to say to Johnny.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I'll let you go first again there because I want
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: to hear what you kind of have to say to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: maybe echo off of whatever you guys have said.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: So uh, I think it's a bit unfair to tell
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: the kids they have to be good before they can play. Insteady,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: how can you expect them to be good in the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: first place if they ever get a chance to play
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: against the men? How can you? How can how can
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: you expect kids that are twenty two to twenty three
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: years old, you know, to even actually start playing competitively
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: if their spots are taken because there's a Brazilian eighteen
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: year old that the team rather play. I'm sorry, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: like it does, Like I understand, the club wants to win,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: and I totally do get that it too because there's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: a disconnect between the FIGC and the owners of City
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Ah because there's a pluthoround problems money being one of them.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Clubs want to win in Italy so they can get
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: more money. They want. All they care about is a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: dollar in their pocket. That's all they care about. They
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: want to make as much money as possible, you know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: get to Frega with the with the with the national team.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: So for them, if it's gonna cost them a game
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: to play a nineteen year old Italian kid, they're not
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: gonna play the kid. They'd rather play the nineteen year
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: old Turkish kid. You know, what I'm saying, like it's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: stick because they're like, oh, the Turkish kids is a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: wonder kid. He's gonna score goals, you know, like Coomo's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: using Nico Paz like a loan from Real Madrid. That
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: spot could definitely be for an Italian kid. But they're
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: using equal paths because Nico Paths is good. But how
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: can these Italian kids even ever have a chance to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: show that they're good. Why and this is no offense
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: to Milan. Why is Comrada being loaned out constantly? Why
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: can't come out of the play for Milan? You know,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: why can't they take that risk, like it's it's Milan,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: we don't come out that's good. Why can't you actually
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: get like top tier team quality play. It's it's unfair
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: to them because they're not getting the opportunity to And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: that's sort of my frustrations because it seems like it's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: always like the lower tier, like like set, like the set.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: It's always like the Roma, the Monopoly, the Fidentina, you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: know that that are always like like Atalanta that are
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: playing like these young Italian kids so to speak, you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it's like it's it's one
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: or one point or another, but they still don't even
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: do enough. In my opinion, they still don't even do enough. Now,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: I do believe that that's something that needs to be done,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: that that other clubs need to start building a U
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: twenty three system just like that they can have players
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: play against men and saidia B, and yeah in setia B.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: There's a whole plethora of problems there too, financials. Some
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: teams even are not even able to pay the wages
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: of their players. You know, there's issues with that. There's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of favoritism. There's a lot of tribalism that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: goes down where it's like, oh, I'm not gonna get
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: this player because he played for a different club that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I don't like. Or this guy's like the nephew of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: this person, or this is the son of that person
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: or blah blah blah. That's a whole other issue of favoritism, nepotism,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: whatever type of ism you want to use. That's another
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: major issue. It's it's it's the roots. It's the roots,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: and it irritates me and I and I went to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: go look at the Seven Sisters. Let's look at Atalanta. Right,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going just based on the last game, the last game. Sure,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: let's look at the number Italians on the starting eleven
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: one Uhsconi, uh, Scalvini, zapA, Costa and you're right, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: nets that's four.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Four.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Let's look at Lazio Latzio. We have Romagnoli, Maldini and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Manta nets that he started three three I Parentina, I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: will still considered part of the set the technically eight now,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: but then they're having a terrible season. But keen Brescianini, Barisi, Ranieri, Fagioli. Uh,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's it into esposito di Marco. Uh uh
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Barella and Basconi would have been playing, but I think
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: he had a card that game that he couldn't play
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: robot the Pastoni play No, no, he was.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: He was also injured a bit.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so he was. He was injured, but that
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: would be four yeah Milan mhm even m.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: None none, none, yeah, fucking.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Stid Napoli, uh Polano. And I can't even consider merchants
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: because he's not a starter. Not even spinon Zola is
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: a starter. Uh juve Cambi. Also Lookatelli and Pere or
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: di Gregorio. Depends on the car.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Where I think came off the bench.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah so three four I'm talking about starting eleven, right,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah so three yeah, fair enough? Three Uh Roma Mancini,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: christante Pizzi tegrini.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's it.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Four four.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: If you look at like what.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Ten years ago, fifteen years ago, it was the average
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: was started to get smaller, but it was higher than
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: three to four on the starting line, like or you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: look at the hate everyone's to talk about. Everyone's talking
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: about the glory days of the city. Ah, there was
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: at least what seven or eight players minimum that were
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Italians started on each roster. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Like the big clubs they want to win, so they're
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: not playing the Italians. But we can't develop new Italians
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: if you're not playing them.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, Jenny was more like you've developed them
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: at a young age, so they become stronger. As of course,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: you don't expect an eighteen year old to come on
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and have an impact. But you know, again, I'm gonna
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: go back to hockey as an example, a guy like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: maclin Celbrini at eighteen, he developed as a young player.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: He did all his things at eighteen. He was not
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: the same player he was at nineteen. He got better,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: but he also you know he yeah, but had developed them.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: That's what he gave him the first line minutes. Sam
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Jose put him as the centerpiece of the project.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Because because he developed, it's a progression, right. He goes to,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: let cha, how many goals does he have?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: One?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: One? So he has the opportunity and he's not even
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: taking it. So there's a fine line. You want to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: give them the opportunity, and sometimes the teams do that.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: But who is he playing with that that's the thing.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: But he wasn't even starting at a game either.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: No, No, he's been injured recently.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: He got injured to the shoulder injury. But again no excuse, like.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: It's we're just putting too much pressure on Kamara at
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: But not just an example, just an example.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: If m is the only hope, are kind of screwed.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: If you have all these good systems going through, you're
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: gonna have maybe ten guys that are good at eighteen nine,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: guys that are good at nineteen eight, guys that are
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: good at twenty. You know, it's you start off with
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: a bunch and you go down and you're gonna have
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: one guy who's gonna play for the national team. You know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: does that make sense?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you funnel it down. Obviously not everybody is a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: superstar that where we know that.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: But but he still develop some kind of course, you
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: still need to develop some kind of like regularity, and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: right now there's no regularity. It's it's it's coming to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: a point where it's like every game the starting eleven
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: is just changing up because besides maybe three players. But
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: that's it, you know, like because now you can create
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: the argument is supposed to take you up front or keen,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: you know, all of them. But which is a good
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: problem to have in my personal ope, And that's a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: good problem. But now you're like, okay, the back three,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: who do we put as a back three? Bastoni? I guess.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: But now after this incident, did we have faith in Bastoni? Madchi?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I still I still have faith in Bastoni. I just
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: think he made a dumb ass mistake. But it is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: what it is, mad chinik uh Calafioti. The Calafioti actually
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: demonstrate that he's actually a competent center back or is
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: it just aura dot dot player you know what I mean? Like, uh,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: what do we do with the left wing back, right
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: wing back? Demonco looked gassed. The poor guy is exhausted
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: because he's he's going through the same issues as Beela
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: being ran into the ground. But DiMarco doesn't have the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: cardio that Beadella has. You know what I'm saying, Uh,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, now what who? That's the issue who.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, there's no consistent eleven that you know that. Okay,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: these are the eleven players, this is the bench, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: then we just rotate them in. It's more like, okay,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: we need to figure out something because we don't even
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: have our pillars. And when you don't have your pillars,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: that's an issue.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: You know, when you don't have your guarantees, it's hard
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: to even build a team. You need to find some
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: kind of core, some kind of nucleus to establish. Now,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: another point that I want to make is throw fucking
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: tribalism out the fucking window. Throw tribalism out the window.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: And by saying that, is that the big issue. One
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: of the what adds to our problems is when you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: see people making comments like, oh, this what happens when
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: you have a block in there. This is what happens
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: to have a block of Milan or block of juve
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: like and who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: We had a we had a uvent this block in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: twenty ten that fucking uh, oh my god, I'm so
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: pissed off that I'm forget Lippy. Lippy decided to rely
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: on Yakinta and obviously we had that that disastrous twenty
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: ten Real Cup and it took him like the last
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: forty five minutes of game three through, like, h let
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: me play Quay and the Natale together Tunapolodadi that are
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: leading in the city on scoring at the time, you know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: like I do.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: They scored two goals. They still lose three two, but
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: they scored more goals in Italy scored in the entire tournament,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: and Kudiela was the leading scorer at the time. Dannatale
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: was right behind him. Like it Like it was baffling, right,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: because politics, tribalism you rather rely on as Juventini players
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm not playing Juventus. I'm not saying. I'm just
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: using that as an example because everyone's so like, oh,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: you've needs to be good for like and yes, I'll
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: call out my friends in the group chat for this
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: you've needs to be good for for for really to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: be good. Fuck that. Fuck that, like when the only
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: time Juventus had a majority percentage majority percentage of the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: starting eleven when Italy won the World Cup was nineteen
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: thirty four, when there was eight teams in the World Cup.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: It was in Italy, And you could also say it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: was very corrupted because Mussulini had a nice little meeting
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: with the referee prior to the final. But you know,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: I had a nice little discussion with the guy. Now
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I know Jucepta Miatsa scored the goal and he got
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: and that's what they named They named the stadium after
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: him and everything like that. And it wasn't as if
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: they really wasn't a good team because they won the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: gold medal in thirty six and ended up winning the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: World Cup in thirty eight. So it's like as if, like, uh,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: you know, Italy might have not won the World Cup
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: that year. But if you look at it, yes, Juve
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: has always had a good like a share of it,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: but it's never just been like eighty percent Uve seventy
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: percent use so you've been like what twenty five percent
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: at most thirty you know, like the best, the most
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: I can dig of off recent memory for the recent
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: years is what four players max from UVE four out
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: eleven is still it's it's it's it's a bigger percentage
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: than other teams, but it's still a minority percentage. It's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: always been a collaborative effort. It's always been core of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: this core of that core of this core of that.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: We have no.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: And it's something that I talked about on previous episodes.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I forget which episode it was, but it's like a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: top we have no coores. We have no guys that
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: are so used to playing with each other that they
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: can just feed the ball off each other right away.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: It's all spread out. There's players coming from different clubs
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: and now it's like the only tour that you have,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: so to speak, is the intercour because enter is actually
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: the only one that actually has Italian players that are
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: capable starting for the national team. Now, I know people
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: are gonna get mad about that, but I'm sorry, but
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: it's the case. If it's not Bastoni, who are gonn
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: put is a center back? You put Ghatti? I mean Ghatti, Okay,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: he's okay, but do I have gat And I'm like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I'm really taking and I'm really putting aside the logos.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: I'm really am telling me, and I really and I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: swear my father's grave, I really am, because that's how
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: serious I'm being right now. But if you tell me,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I have one last spot on center back and I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: have to choose between Ghatti and Bastoni, I'm choosing Bastoni,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: the guy who's played in two Champions League finals. Now,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: obviously it's a team based thing to get there, but
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: a guy who's played in serious situation, who is, in
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: my opinion, a really solid center back. So like, right there,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: it's between the two. It's that midfield. If you're gonna
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: go to three man midfield, Barella tonally does local Telly
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: make that third choice? Maybe? Right, but he's not immediately there.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: He's a maybe for me, right, Okay, but Cambiaso should
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: have played. I think Cambiaso probably should have Probab played
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: right wing back, you know, I think like he's an
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: idea they should have tried out. But what I'm trying
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: to say, Yeah, Polestaa look great, but Polesta is what
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Atalanta owned. Yeah he's played for Calia, but that's Atalanta
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: is probably the only club in Italy right now is
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: actually doing their best to develop the youth, the youths
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: in Italy, as we like to say, Like so that's
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: why it's like Badola, like like who you're gonna sub
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: off of Badilla?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: No one?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Bella is like a best bit of best midfielder for
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: the past eight years now, you know, like it's it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's the truth. Uh and then looks like
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: like lost inter players de Modco Democo look gass. Okay,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: you can make an argument for de Macol to not
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: be there or maybe not be used that game or
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: used as a sub. But besides that, it's like like
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know why people are shit talking. Is what
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: happens when you have an inter block? Well, three players
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: are a block, like you know, like then it's me
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: talking about like twenty sixteen is the fucking uvent this
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: block with the VBC line in the back, you know,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: like you know, like it's if it baffles me, man,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: like get the tribalism out. There's a bigger problem at
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: play here. It's the problem is that no clubs are
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: producing top and Italian talent right The twenty twenty one
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: euro Cup was the twenty eighteen players venting out their
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: frustrations from getting fucked over by terrible management and actually
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: winning something that they should have been in twenty eighteen.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: But you know what, they got those frustrations out in
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and it worked out beautifully because then
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Signia should have been there, and Signe was probably like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: like one of the last few players that I will
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: call out Napoly for this. Napoli, you know, besides, Insignia
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: hasn't really been contributing much for the national team because
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Bunjord is not an anopoly talent. Med is not an
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: apoly talent like Funck, who else is all the time,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: was not anapotly talent. Spinazola is not an appotly talent.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: The Lorenzo is not an appoly talent. You know, the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: biggest contribution of all time anapot he has ever done
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: for the Italian national team is Fabio Cannavaro. You know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: like like and you could say, like, okay, don Roma's camp.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: He's from He's right from Napoli, you know.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: What I mean. He didn't grow up in the youth there.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: But nonetheless, like what what is Napoli doing to contribute
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: for for the top talents. But Roma, they're trying. They
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: actually have a decent academy. Roma's actually got an okay academy,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: but it's still not enough. H I'll call out my
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: own teams for this. So we don't have cores anymore.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: We have players that are playing on separate clubs, on
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: separate things. It's so disconnected. There's no unity, there's no pride.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: It's there's no connection anymore. There's no heart. And it
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: starts from the ground, it starts from the top down.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: I can't wait for you know, and I'm not talking
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: about politics wise, but I'm happy that the governments get
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: involved with Georgia Maloney and the Sporting Minister to meet
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: with the fig s to actually have a sit down
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: next week with the board and talk about changes that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: need to be done. I hope they slice the dragon's
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: head off right from the top, and that's what it is.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I don't care. Rip that band aid off top down.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Get bad joe In. This is me dreaming. Get bad
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: joe In. Implement that nine hundred page dociate that you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: have the plan to create, divide Italy into one hundred
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: different youth sectors and have scouts working for each sector.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Pump that money in there, whatever money the fucking economy
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: has put it in there, you know, like start really
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: working with the kids. The kids are playing a couch
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: show in the streets. It's not like as if the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: passion's not there anymore. You just need to like reignite it.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: It starts there. And then I like Nick's idea of
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: incentives to city teams of playing you know, uh, Italian
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: players don't break. Like I'm not saying the Stranieri rule
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: that we had from way back when, but you know,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: something like that breaks breaks, something like that, you know, like, oh,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: if you play X number of Italians, we'll give you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: a bonus for the game or whatever or something.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to toot my
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: own horn. But in bad Joe's nine hundred page report,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: that was one of the things. I just saw it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: on Twitter right right before, not after I said that,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: by the way, but that was one of the things
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: he said back in twenty eleven nine hundred pages. The
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: FIGC did not listen to Bad Joe. He said, give
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: incentives for citiocity be players to play youth players. Yeah,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: the foreigners, And I think that's what we need. We
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: need incentives instead of like restricting, you know what I mean.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're talking about the glory day everyone
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: saw talking about the glory days of City A, i'man like, yeah,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: that's when they were playing all the Italians. And look
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: what happened Melan. And this does not mean something mean
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: like by the way, but like Melan winning all theirs
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: their Champions League titles. Look at how many Italian players
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: are on that roster, you know what I'm saying. Look
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: at that four Look how much that dominant Melon team
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: was and everyone's gonna be like, yo, but why did
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: in Italy winn euro cuple World Cup during that time?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, motherfucker, they tried. You know how many teams
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: were good during that era. You know, the teams were
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: phenomenal during that era, Like you have to have been
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: lucky to even make the finals, you know, like when
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Italy lost in ninety four penalty shots to Brazil and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's coming down the best team versus best team.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Ninety eight they lose to eventual World Cup winners in
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: France and penalty shots two thousand and two, they get
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: screwed over two thousand you lose to France and the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Golden Era and the euro Cup finals. It's like, what
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: else can you do? Two thousand and eight you lose
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: to Spain the eventual winners and penalties. Twenty ten you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: lose to Tenny. Ten you just fucking shoot your shoot
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: yourself in the foot. Twelve you lose in the finals
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: to Spain. You know, like it's it happles me, man,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, anyways, I took too much time already.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and we knew it was gonna be a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: long one tonight that we've said it before. But yeah, guys,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: for me, there there's a lot, there's a lot to say,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to dissect, and it's just it's frustrating
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: because two things, well maybe more than two things, knowing me,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: but you know, you have to start from the from
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the grassroots. That's that's number one. Within the federation. It
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: starts at the top, right, you know, what's what's that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: that that's saying? You know, right, you know, the fish
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: stinks from the head, right, and you have to chop
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: off the head and and and and work your way
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: down right. So obviously our you know, our head stinks, right,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's very clear to us across the pond. Guys,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: remember crossed the pond here in Montreal, Canada, Quebec, Canada.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: You know that we see these things and listen the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: grassroots you know you have you have like we're like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: so behind it's not even funny to that matter. And
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: again you don't want to go back to the past
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: and kind of always look out the past and try
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: to go to the future. But you know, the Badio
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: point is one point I was hoping that was gonna
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: get brought up, because again, they didn't listen to him.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, they didn't listen to him. He who
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: fucking types up nine hundred pages to present to a
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: federation of a sport your best player that you've ever
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: fucking produced, and you know, and you don't and you
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: don't listen to him, or you take bits and pieces
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: and then he gets fired from whatever. I forget to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: poll like his title at that time. I think in
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, whatever it was, they part of ways they
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: let them go. This is something that in twenty ten
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: should have been the wake up call, right like it's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: it's evident and other nations did do those overhauls. And again,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: like Nick said, like we said, it's not an overnight thing.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: It won't be an overnight thing. And we have to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: be able to accept the fact that this is going
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: to take time for us to get back to a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: level that we're proud and comfortable of supporting. But you know,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: in the in the use, in the youth sectors, there
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: are there is talent there we're not There's a disconnect
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: between the player that plays from U fifteen to U seventeen,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: you nineteen, you twenty one, and then after that there's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: a disconnect between that you twenty one star and our
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: setia minutes player weekend week out, playing and producing and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: and and continuously growing. How is it that we have
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: this I don't want to say plethora because that's that's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: a big word. And again I don't know the stats,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you know, for number number to number, but there is
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: talents there that we're just letting vanish into the abyss
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: because we don't want to bring them along. You know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: in Siria. How is it that it takes half of
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Napoli's squad to be injured for Antonio Vetgatta to get
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: minutes to showcase his talent that he does have. And
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: now everybody's like, oh wow, maybe Gatuzzo should look at
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: vert Gatta. We found somebody new. Ve gotta place for napoint.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Now we've just discovered he's twenty three years old. He's
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: still young. We can produce off this guy. Why is
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: it that it took half to knop a roster to
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: discover this kid. Why is it that it's tu Pignon
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: starts over Barti Sagi or that was the plan and
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: obviously he had to get hurt and not play well
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: for Bartisagi to play a left back, left wing back
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: for Milan. Why is it that Liberali Comoto Camarda, these
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: players playing abroad, playing in Citia b. Why does Liberali
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: play at Catanzaro. We've lost We said it in the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: chat last night amongst ourselves. You know, we don't even
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: we play a three to five to two. The three
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: five to two hasn't won Stugats in anything. Right, we've
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: lost the fan, we like to say, the fantasista type
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: of player. Right, We've we've lost the number ten in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Italian soccer. How is that possible for a nation that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: produced so many of them. There's a couple in Johnny's
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  Speaker 1: background tonight. We've always liked to say Johnny's background. How
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: many of those legends you know you have Tati del
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Piero right in that background right there, number tens. We've
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: lost that that that I don't want to say aura
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: because that's the wrong word, but that type of profile
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  Speaker 1: of a player and players willing to be able to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: make mistakes we have. And again you said about the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Canario rule, and maybe I'm going really left field.
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  Speaker 3: With this, but.
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  Speaker 1: Can we maybe implemented again of some sort of capacity,
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  Speaker 1: because if the if the stats of what I what
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I pulled up earlier today and I sent it in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: the chat are correct, and again we have to do
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: more homework and maybe breaking it down. But how is
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it that this is the Italian league and there's a
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: seventy thirty split for between Italian players in the league
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: and foreigners, seventy in favor of the foreigners. But this
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: is La Lega Italiana. They should be got internationality at
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: this point because we're not even in an Italian league anymore.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: We have a minority fucking footprint in our own league.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: And then we wonder why we can't go forward as
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: a nation, Why why why do we have a problem
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: with this position? Why can't we find players of that position?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: The problems, the problems start in our own backyard. The
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: grassroots problems is a thing. And again going back to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: my point earlier with puresposito, we want them there, but
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: then crucify them, pick pick your pick your side. It's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: either we throw them out there and we invest time
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: in producing them. And if it be incentivizing you know,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Syria teams for playing them, or if it if it
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: be really working to bridge that gap of you twenty
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  Speaker 1: one to starter on Saria team or whatever case may be.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Fuck hell, break it down from twenty teams to eighteen
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  Speaker 1: teams in the league, you know, make it, make it
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  Speaker 1: more of a smaller league. Give more time for you know,
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  Speaker 1: these national team coaches to to uh to work with
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: their players, you know. And again going to the FIGC.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, it starts from the top, and in
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: any business, that's how you know, that's how it goes.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: You start at the top and you work your way down.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Building a house that's up kind of the opposite, right,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you don't start with the roof, obviously, you start with
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: the foundation. We have. We have a cracked foundation. Since
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: we're gonna say two thousand and six, but I think
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: it's probably even before that, probably since nineteen ninety stadium's investment, ownership,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: developing players, breaking break breaking down to the two thousand
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: and six World Cup. You know, after that we should
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: have done with And again I hate to compare to
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: withether Nation, but for crying out lout, Germany went on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: a on a huge overhaul of their whole organization, their
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: whole federation because they were not satisfied of what they
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: saw in two thousand and six. And we've been stuck
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: in this limbo of nothingness since you know those times.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've been listening to a lot of
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Carressa right lately, have been sending those bangers. It seems
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: like every cut that he has is is a banger.
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  Speaker 1: And these guys were saying it, we're going back as
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, but since that, because I was the last
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  Speaker 1: time we made the World Cup. We can go even
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: further back if we want. But since twenty fourteen, these
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  Speaker 1: these these these journalists, these analysts, these people around culture
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: were screaming these things, and yet twelve years later, we're
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: still in the same predicament and again twenty eighteen, like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, Nick, we know Carol Taveccio was was was
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: president president of FIGC. He failed and he left. Gravina
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: is the eventual person who took over that post right
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: of being president of FIGC. I had heard he was
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: involved president of Seediachi at the time, and he's the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: one that was screaming for change. Oh, Senor de Gravina,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: You've missed two World Cups and you were screaming for
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: change all the way back then seventeen twenty eighteen. Now
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: to quote Caressa, because again, like I said, I've been
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: listening to Carressa speak quite a bit. It just keeps
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: on popping up on my feed. I guess, in what job,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: in whatever business of work that you're in that you
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: failed to meet objectives after once? It should be if
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: you're in a high position like that, it should be done.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy has had two major chances. He's fucked
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  Speaker 1: up both of them, and not only him, obviously the
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: whole federation as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: But he's the he's the he's the.
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  Speaker 1: Face of the FIGC. And you still have a job
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to resign. That's what was the reports?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: At first, he doesn't want to run and he won't resign.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Now we're saying now we're hearing that, you know, earlier, earlier, today,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: even last later last night. Now there's more pressure. He's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: thinking about maybe resigning again. Only time will tell what
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: will eventually happen, you know, knowing knowing Italy and knowing
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the Federation, knowing how things work, it's gonna be like
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: pulling teeth to see some fucking change. But in what
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: job do you do? You know in this world that
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: you screw up royally this hard, this bad and affects
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: so many people, and you still have a job and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: you won't resign. What like, either you have no shame
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: or you're an idiot. There there's no there's no other there,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: there's there's nothing else in between. And now, like you said, Johnny,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: and I saw it too. You know, uh uh, where's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Andrea Bodi, fucking Minister of Sports in Italy getting involved
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: and sharing his thoughts and Maloney or whatever. And now
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: they're thinking of you know, Giovanni Malago and uh, you know,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: the a beta whatever kind of filling it, filling in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: the void. Guys, I don't know if those guys are better,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: better suitors for this this disposition. But anything that is
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: change and starts from zero because it's enough, is enough
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: with these band aid solutions on a four time winning
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: nation like Italy, it's enough of the band aids. I think, uh,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: we're miss this now. Three World Cups and you've affected
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: how many generations of kids being players and fans along
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: the way. There's people And Nick and I were speaking
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: about this a bit before before we got on year
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: before Johnny even was was on the call. But you know,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: there was that post of you know, no, no Falstino
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: right the the you know, the he's kind of internet famous,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: you know, with it with his with his grandson, you know,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Carlo right on Instagram and he's always screaming and everything.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Don't cut to Peruto the wrong way. He starts screaming
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: and the grandson's always doing jokes and pranks and whatever.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: You know, great, you know, great family bond there. But
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: the pull over the fucking signora. He's ninety something years old.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: What is in ninety seven years old? I think we
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: had seen ninety seven years old in this in in
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: the clip that we saw on social media of his
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: grandson Carlo turning the thing and said and asked him
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: and what what what now? And the fucking poor old
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: man ninety seven years old doesn't says he won't be
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: alive in four more years to see it'll be back
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: in another World Cup, and that you know that just
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously breaks your heart, and then you want
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: to up it to the other side, that there are
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: kids out there that haven't even seen Italy in a
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: World Cup. Have not seen Italy in a World Cup.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Forget win, forget get out of the group stage, for
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: forget getting far, forget going to a final, forget getting robbed,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: forget getting screwed, have not seen them in a damn
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: World Cup once in their life. That for that, Gravina
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: and everybody involved up top should feel fucking shame, should
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: feel embarrassed, and should feel every emotion under the sun
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: that there is to feel in a situation like this.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: So for us, I think we can probably come to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: an agreement. Gravina has to go. I don't see how
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: you can still stick around. It's a shame that you know.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I'm a Gatuzo fan and I'll and I'll see it,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: and that's and that's it is what it is. Unfortunately,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: he's the one who had the balls to bite this
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: bullet and take on this challenge. Nobody else wanted this,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: this fucking post, right, he's the one that took it,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: you know, the ball by the horns, and he will
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: face whatever, you know, consequences is there to face. Unfortunately,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can continue with Gatuso, even though
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: I want to still see him there because I'm a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Gatuso fan. I love Gatuso. But if you're starting from zero,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: that means across the board, that's from you. Like we said, FIGC,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: the board, the president, everybody that's making decisions and bringing
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: in people that are competent, that are willing to change
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: and not be these fucking you know, hard headed, stubborn
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Italians that we already know that we are as a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: as a nation. But somebody that, for for Fox's sakes,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: can make a decision that makes sense. And if it
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: take the Badgers of the world, if it take the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: the Pianos of the world, because these guys are screaming
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: it and the people up top are not seeing it
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: and are not implementing it, and they're not investing in it,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: and you know, the things go on and on and on.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: You know it shouldn't be that. You know, we have
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: and again I hate to say it, but you know
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: so many foreigners taking up spots of Italian players. There's
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: that famous equip and I forget the coach's name after it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't qualify in twenty eighteen, and he's he was
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the Suitian team put the guys
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: from Lega Pro, put the guys from City a Chi
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Lega Pro, because that's what they're that's what they're worth.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: The Swedish team at that time, right, That's what that
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: was his thoughts. You know, there are players in these
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: youth in these in these lower division levels that are
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: that are of somewhat of quality. There are young players
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: out there. We have to we have to be able
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: to guide them from whatever age you want to start at,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: from ten to nineteen or twenty one or whatever the
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: age rage you want. We have to be able to
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: be by their side every step of the way and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: make that jump from youth to senior and be able
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: to play, give you minutes, incentivize, like you said, Nick,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: or like bad Jo said. You know, we don't want
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: to misquote there, but and go forward and you know
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: again you know the straininity rule. You know, you know
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: it might again give another reason to develop your put
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna know, ah fuck, you know, I have
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to only play I have to be able to play
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: this amount of our top four teams. And again, I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: know the whole Como thing is is a big maybe
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: anominally in this in this whole situation. And I know
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: sex Fabergast has said, you know, it's not that I
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: don't want to play Italients because they have no Italians
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: starters like you know, Melan's bad, but you know Como's
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: even and but you know he's saying, I don't even
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: have ones to go and to go and get Why
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: is that? Because we're screwing ourselves from from from from
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: the youth systems. So listen, guys, there there's there's endless
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I think talking points with this. I think at the
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: end of it, we need absolute change. We're already three
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: tournaments behind UH implementing this change. Until change happens, I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: don't think we'll see any progress in the way Italian football,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Italian culture will be seen, will be represented, and results
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: on the pitch will we'll show that. And until that happens,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: which we hope that that will happen. I think what
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna continuously have these conversations as sad as it is,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: because again, growing up, we I mean, I can speak
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: for myself and probably the guys here tonight, but there's
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: no way you would have told me as a young
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: kid that, you know, after getting into culture, getting into football,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: getting phone in love with the game, and saying that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Italy won't be in World Cups one forget it.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: But now we're at three in a row with a
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: flashing the pan Euro win in the mix of that,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Like you cannot even script this if you wanted it,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Like Scorsese couldn't even script this if you wanted to
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: script this. And we're talking about we're talking about Martin Scorsese, right.
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  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: It's it's just again, I'm still I'm pissed, like I'm angry,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sad, I'm we have every emotion right now, and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: you know which is which is fair to have. But again,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: like we'll say, until these changes do happen, or if
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: and when they do happen, we'll be stuck in the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: same rut for for for years to come. And I'm
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: just hopeful that you know, one time, you know, okay, one,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: two times, all right, but now three times this is
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: this is a this is an absolute catastrophic disaster. What
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: is it? One time, shame on me, one time, shame
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: on you, three times shame on the boat. I don't
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: know what's saying, but you guys know where I'm coming from, right,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: So shame on everybody to that to get it to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: go this far and not seeing these things they're writing
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: down the wall, like we always like to say earlier
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: on because now we're gonna have to accept the fact,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: because if change does happen, we're gonna have to be
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: willing to accept the fact that this is not going
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: to take Uh it's not gonna be an overnight thing,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: and this is gonna take time, and we're gonna have
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: to be willing to to to sacrifice some more maybe
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: of these tournaments to get to where we want to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: go and where we should be and what Italy deserves
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: as a footballing nation going forward. So oh, buckle up,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: because again we're we have to wait for the news.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: We have to wait for the news to see what
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: happens if Gavina steps down, if he gets replaced, who
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: gets replaced, but insert some people you know that are
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: are are competent, that are sono de culture right, or
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: of football right? You know that I was even seeing
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: the Maldini name go around. Tell Piero ban the group
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: together and let's get this fucking nation where it belongs.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: It's enough of being in the gutter, and it's enough
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: of missing World Cups and being you know, the laughing
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: stock of of of of world football because they're not
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: that we're Italian and obviously we're biased, but you know,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: it should never be four time World Cup champions. We
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: almost have, we almost haven't been. We're we're going, we're going.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: We're on three right, one more, and we're tired with
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: the amount of stars we have on our fucking on
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: our fucking badge of miss World Cups in a row.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Let's not get to that point for the greater good
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: of Italians all over the world. That's just our sentiments.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: And again, we can go on for hours more, but uh,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's just a it's a sad time in the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Italian culture. But we're hoping, you know, for some uh,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: for some better sunny days ahead.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Guys, it feels like this episode could be three hours long,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: but we'll have to cut it here. It might be
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: the longest episode ever, Episode three hundred.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Why we have to break it up? Break it up?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Well, exciting stopped in the next few weeks, FC Supra
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: coming into the Canadian Premier League. Look, we're still gonna
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: talk about the World Cup. We're still gonna talk about Canada.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: There's still gonna hopefully be some exciting games. But yes,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: it sucks Italy is not there, and you know, in
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: the meantime, it's fort said Zuti for you were twenty
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: twenty a qualifying but Adri again, guys, thanks for everything
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: these past three hundred episodes. It's been a fun ride.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like we all had some things to get
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: off for chest for this episode. But if people want
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: to listen to our nonsense rents, where where can they
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: find us? On social media?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully? Uh, you know we're gonna have I guess I've
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: been saying in our episode, we're gonna have to break
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: this up on for two different the positive part and
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: the and the the doom and Googen part on YouTube.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: I think that might have to be a thing. But yeah, guys,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: just again, thank you for sticking with us not only
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: for this episode three hundred, but for all the episodes,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: any of the episodes in between from one to three hundred.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: We we appreciate it all, and we say it every week.
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