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A Mother Taken, A Family Broken | Daphne Enid Sansbury · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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  Speaker 1: Apoche production.
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  Speaker 2: This podcast contains descriptions of sexual assault and psychological trauma.
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  Speaker 2: It's not recommended for younger listeners and discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand. I'm your host
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  Speaker 2: Adam Shand. It's a shocking number that tells its own story.
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  Speaker 2: According to the Australian Institute of Criminology and the National
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  Speaker 2: Homicide Monitoring Program, four hundred and seventy six Aboriginal and
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  Speaker 2: Torres Strate Islander women were murdered between nineteen eighty nine
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  Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three, rate upter seven.
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  Speaker 3: Times higher than the national average, with nearly three quarters
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  Speaker 3: killed by a current or former partner.
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  Speaker 4: Go back to the early eighties and the number of
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  Speaker 4: victims saws to more than five hundred. They weren't even
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  Speaker 4: counting the number back then. Imagine the sorrow and trauma
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  Speaker 4: experienced by those five hundred families, any of whom have
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  Speaker 4: never had justice. The victims are nameless and faceless, and
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  Speaker 4: their voices are not heard.
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  Speaker 5: Federal Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss described the findings as a
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  Speaker 5: terrible and tragic loss of mothers, sisters, and daughters, and
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  Speaker 5: said it's not acceptable for losses of this scale to continue.
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  Speaker 4: Today, we give voice to one victim so that she
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  Speaker 4: may speak for the others and those who still do
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  Speaker 4: not live in peace and safety today. On March eighteen,
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  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, the naked body of fifty three year
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  Speaker 4: old Daphne Enid Sansbury was found on Victoria Park Racecourse
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  Speaker 4: in Adelaide, South Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Daphne Sansbury was found deceased in Adelaide, her life cuts
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  Speaker 3: short in circumstances that remain unresolved to this day.
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  Speaker 4: No one was held accountable for her murder, and her
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  Speaker 4: family still lives with her loss bore decades later.
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  Speaker 6: Not the person I should I killeded out the people
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  Speaker 6: they should have been.
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  Speaker 7: Longly she just been alike, just she disclothed. I lost
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  Speaker 7: my shine, then whitelife.
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  Speaker 8: What hits me is this has happened to what's because
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  Speaker 8: of the.
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  Speaker 9: System, And the system's not broken. It was made that way.
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  Speaker 4: In October twenty twenty five, the late Daphne Sansbury's children
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  Speaker 4: and her grandchildren gathered to share memories of Daphne and
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  Speaker 4: what she experienced in her life. Some family were at
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  Speaker 4: Horsham in Western Victoria. Others joined online from Adelaide. It
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  Speaker 4: was the first time this family had ever held such
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  Speaker 4: a meeting. This followed several months of conversation between myself
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  Speaker 4: and Daphne's daughter, Pamela Branson. The meeting was held at
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  Speaker 4: the Gullham Gullam Community, Harbin, Horsham. It was sometimes raw
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  Speaker 4: and emotionally charged, but healing was the aim.
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  Speaker 10: Just like to welcome you is to those that came
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  Speaker 10: to watch Baliit country and pay our respects to the elders,
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  Speaker 10: ancestors past, the president, dog, book watcher, joker, dog, look
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  Speaker 10: Wildish Jarker watch a Bali which means welcome to watch
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  Speaker 10: Blait Country.
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  Speaker 11: I hope you have a good meeting.
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  Speaker 4: Hello everyone, thank you for welcoming me here. My name's
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  Speaker 4: Adam Shand I'm an investigative journalist based in Melbourne. I
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  Speaker 4: guess I'm out of my comfort zone today. Normally I'm
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  Speaker 4: on the main streets of Melbourne covering the Gangland goings
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  Speaker 4: on down there and so forth. And I've got a
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  Speaker 4: series of long term cases that I look at. And
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  Speaker 4: it was in that context that Auntie Pam contacted me
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  Speaker 4: regarding the Beaumont children in Adelaide and her feeling that
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  Speaker 4: she may have almost been in the clutches of one
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  Speaker 4: of the suspects over there, and I realized there wasn't
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  Speaker 4: much we could do in terms of going to that
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  Speaker 4: story back in the day. We got talking, as you
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  Speaker 4: do and I like to talk, and she touched on
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  Speaker 4: the story of her mother and your Nana Daphne entered
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  Speaker 4: Sansbury and the tragic story that unfolded from the mid
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  Speaker 4: sixties to your family, which came to a tragic climax
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  Speaker 4: with her murder in nineteen eighty two.
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  Speaker 12: And the more Pam and I began.
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  Speaker 4: To speak about this, the more I thought that it
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  Speaker 4: was appropriate that the full circumstances of her death and
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  Speaker 4: the impact on your family going on to this very
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  Speaker 4: day be discussed, and also to give Nana Daphne a
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  Speaker 4: voice that she was denied. And as we talked more,
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  Speaker 4: Auntie Pam told me about her appearance in a very
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  Speaker 4: important documentary back in the mid sixties, Are Changing Race,
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  Speaker 4: hosted by Jimmy Little, which I believe was the first
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  Speaker 4: time that the ABC ran a with all indigenous characters,
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  Speaker 4: no white fellas, directing, editing and otherwise manipulating the story
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  Speaker 4: and within that Nana Daphne was interviewed I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 4: all seen it, and recounted her circumstances on the mission
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  Speaker 4: at Pears.
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  Speaker 13: I've got four roomhouse, three bedrooms in the kitchen. The
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  Speaker 13: seven children of my own and myself that makes eight.
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  Speaker 13: All told my children they going to school, and they're.
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  Speaker 1: Only two likes.
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  Speaker 13: All the other two players away, so mother has to
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  Speaker 13: get behind them with a stick, and they seem to
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  Speaker 13: settle down quite well. We get quite well with everybody
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  Speaker 13: around the district here, and I can say myself my children,
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  Speaker 13: I we can go anywhere in the city area and
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  Speaker 13: live and accumulate to the white people because I have
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  Speaker 13: lived out and can regulate my money. That's the biggest
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  Speaker 13: problem with the natives, that they just can't regulate the
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  Speaker 13: money because being living on the reserve, and when they
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  Speaker 13: got no money, they just go from door to door.
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  Speaker 13: The average department brings them out from the average reserve
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  Speaker 13: and promised to help them, but they's how far they go.
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  Speaker 13: Just bring him out, give him a bus fare from
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  Speaker 13: the reserve and let them battle their own canoe.
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  Speaker 11: Out in the city.
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  Speaker 13: You may as well say a strange world. Although the
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  Speaker 13: majority of the natives. They've got good material in themselves
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  Speaker 13: where they I just need a little bit more education
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  Speaker 13: and a little bit more pushing. But you can't push
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  Speaker 13: anybody unless they learn to do things for themselves. Well,
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  Speaker 13: the whites got more brains, I would say, because they will.
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  Speaker 13: Matter of fact, there'll be more gift of the Tugue
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  Speaker 13: because they can put things in the right way. But
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  Speaker 13: we have to stop and think as we talk a
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  Speaker 13: little bit to make people understand.
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  Speaker 12: And it looked to.
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  Speaker 4: Be a hopeful story at that point of opportunity, assimilation,
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  Speaker 4: children growing up in a happy environment. But the story
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  Speaker 4: was to change dramatically within a few years when nearly
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  Speaker 4: all of Daphanese's children were taken away from her. And remarkably,
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  Speaker 4: when I saw the documents that Auntie Pam shared with me,
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  Speaker 4: they were charged with being neglected children, which I found
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  Speaker 4: staggering that kids, through no fall of their own, were
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  Speaker 4: suddenly in the court and then were neglected children. And
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  Speaker 4: that caused like a starburst of all your siblings ending
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  Speaker 4: up in foster homes, living a completely different life, and
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  Speaker 4: then trying to over time reclaim identity, reclaim family bonds,
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  Speaker 4: and as Antie Pam told me the story of how
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  Speaker 4: she was seeking to reconnect with her mother over years
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  Speaker 4: and was first discouraged by her foster mother and then
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  Speaker 4: out of a sense of duty, did not make that
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  Speaker 4: journey out to Point Pierce to see Nana Daphning. And
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  Speaker 4: then I think at the age of eighteen, Pam, you
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  Speaker 4: made the decision to go there and reconnect. It was
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  Speaker 4: a painful one because it puts you at odds with
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  Speaker 4: the family had grown up in essentially, but you decided
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  Speaker 4: that was the way forward for you. Only to discover
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  Speaker 4: that Nana Daphne had been murdered by an individual called
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  Speaker 4: Neville George Forster. I immediately started to dive into the
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  Speaker 4: records to see what happened in this case, and Pam filled.
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  Speaker 12: Me in a bit.
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to know more about that today, what people
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  Speaker 4: do know about it, because I think it's important to
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  Speaker 4: discuss what happened.
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  Speaker 12: And as I understand it.
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  Speaker 4: There was a trial, there was what I would call
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  Speaker 4: a fairly decent police investigation, but at the end of
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  Speaker 4: all this, Neville George Forester was never found guilty, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe he was not guilty on the grounds of
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  Speaker 4: mental impairment, deemed unfit to stand trial. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: my dad was actually a forensic psychiatrist in Sydney and
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  Speaker 4: it was his job to assess people in these situations
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  Speaker 4: where people had mental impairment or other issues. And when
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  Speaker 4: I looked at the material, I wish he was still
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  Speaker 4: alive for him to read it, because all through the
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  Speaker 4: investigation I could see someone who answered questions cogently, lucidly,
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  Speaker 4: knew who he was, knew what had happened, and at
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  Speaker 4: the end of all this he was shown the side
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  Speaker 4: door of the mental impairment when I think it seemed
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  Speaker 4: clear that he knew what he was doing. And then
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  Speaker 4: as I go through the records further, I found further
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  Speaker 4: references to Neville George Forrester up in Queensland. I haven't
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  Speaker 4: got to the text of those cases, but it appears
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  Speaker 4: that he was free to reoffend in other ways in Queensland.
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  Speaker 4: The more Artie, Pam and I talked about this, the
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  Speaker 4: more it seemed to me that Nana Daphne's story represents
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  Speaker 4: what Indigenous women face to this day in this country.
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  Speaker 12: A lack of justice for a variety of.
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  Speaker 4: Reasons that go into community, that go into police, that
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  Speaker 4: go into our society. So I think today it's making
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  Speaker 4: me feel emotional doing this as well. But I think
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  Speaker 4: it's today we recognize Nana Daphannese aspiration, the aspirations of
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  Speaker 4: all your family members, and to give her a voice
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  Speaker 4: that will strengthen other Indigenous women and Indigenous families and
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  Speaker 4: also white families that all of us collectively to do better,
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  Speaker 4: to do better. So I've done a lot of talking.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really here to talk today, it's your day,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm here to listen and to learn because I
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  Speaker 4: don't dwell in this world.
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  Speaker 12: This is a privilege for me and I.
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  Speaker 4: Want to hear from everybody here, their memory, their aspirations,
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  Speaker 4: and to bring an Adaphne spirit amongst us, because it's
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  Speaker 4: through our ancestors that we see the future. So thank
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  Speaker 4: you very much for welcoming me here, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 4: we kept talking.
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  Speaker 12: And it's so good to meet you all in person.
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  Speaker 14: Pamela Bronson and I am the ninth child in this beautiful,
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  Speaker 14: amazing family that we have. I'm very proactive in a
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  Speaker 14: lot of things in this community and passionate about educating
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  Speaker 14: the wider community in a positive manner. So my passion
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  Speaker 14: is to give our mother a voice, give her a
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  Speaker 14: character of who she was, and not foreseen as just
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  Speaker 14: another drunken black woman. So our story begins right back
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  Speaker 14: to when the eldest ones were firstborn and followed through
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  Speaker 14: with the policies of the government back in that year
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  Speaker 14: of sixties, which was a similation policy no and encouraging
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  Speaker 14: half past children to live.
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  Speaker 1: A white life.
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  Speaker 4: Sometime after Daphne's appearance on the ABC, she was granted
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  Speaker 4: an exemption that allowed her to leave the Point Ps
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  Speaker 4: mission and receive benefits. The Social Services Consolidation Act of
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  Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven excluded Aboriginal people from government payments unless
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  Speaker 4: they had an exemption from their state. To be considered exempt,
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  Speaker 4: they had to prove they had assimilated with wider straining culture,
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  Speaker 4: which included moving away from their communities. Once exempt, they
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  Speaker 4: were not allowed to return to their former mission homes.
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  Speaker 4: After gaining her exemption, Daphne left Point Ps with her
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  Speaker 4: children for Adelaide. In July nineteen sixty seven, Australians voted
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  Speaker 4: to change the constitution so that Aboriginal and Torres State
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  Speaker 4: islander peoples would be counted as part of the population.
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  Speaker 4: Two months later, Daphnee Sansbury was evicted from her accommodation
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  Speaker 4: in Adelaide. She asked the welfare agency to look after
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  Speaker 4: her children temporarily while she got her life back on track,
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  Speaker 4: but she never got her children back.
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  Speaker 14: We were all removed and were put in remand in
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  Speaker 14: June for two weeks, and then in July we were
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  Speaker 14: sent back to court, with Mum meeting her there and
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  Speaker 14: I think Jesse was in court as well on that day,
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  Speaker 14: and eventually we were charged with neglect. Seeing my foals
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  Speaker 14: and seeing that we as children and I was only
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  Speaker 14: about two and a half three, how do we as
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  Speaker 14: innocent children get charged with neglect? That infuriated me and
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  Speaker 14: still today I don't understand, but realizing that was the
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  Speaker 14: time the generations of the words on way that they
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  Speaker 14: used in courts. So I was very fortunate to be
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  Speaker 14: placed in a very very good home, loving parents, a
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  Speaker 14: wide Australian woman, very strong, she definitely installed that in me,
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  Speaker 14: and a loving Italian man who was very patient, understanding,
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  Speaker 14: and yes, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was very very lucky.
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  Speaker 14: Welfware used to do their regular welfare checks and this
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  Speaker 14: Asian lady was more she's very nice. She turned around
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  Speaker 14: and said, oh your mum would like you to move
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  Speaker 14: back home with her, And I was sitting there, what
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  Speaker 14: are you talking about? This is in my head, this
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  Speaker 14: is my mum here?
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  Speaker 15: Like Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It left me very numb.
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  Speaker 14: And it wasn't until going through that process over a
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  Speaker 14: matter of time that you know, with racism from school,
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  Speaker 14: then I recognized there was a color difference.
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  Speaker 1: So that kind of led food for thought.
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  Speaker 14: As you know, I started going to high school and
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  Speaker 14: that type of stuff and never knowing or understanding myself. No,
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  Speaker 14: even though I had such an amazing found me who
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  Speaker 14: loved me?
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  Speaker 1: And what's mean?
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  Speaker 14: But that thought, you know, Okay, So who's my father?
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  Speaker 14: Who's my mother? Do I have any sisters? Do I
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  Speaker 14: have any brothers?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: That had to live with me for some time.
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  Speaker 14: So when I was around about sixteen seventeen, I became
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  Speaker 14: curious about my mother.
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  Speaker 1: It was more about my mother than my father.
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  Speaker 14: I had Alfie Aegis as my welfare worker up in Campbelltown.
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  Speaker 1: So off I toddled on my bike, went up.
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  Speaker 14: To the department up there at Campbelltown and asked for
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  Speaker 14: Alfie Aegus and he wasn't in, and the lady that
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  Speaker 14: came said, can I help you dear, and I said, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 14: I like to get my mother's address. And then she
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  Speaker 14: just walked off, and I thought okay. So she came
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  Speaker 14: back with a file, she opened up to a certain page.
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  Speaker 14: She put on the counter a piece of paper and
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  Speaker 14: a pen, and she walked away. I thought, okay, So quickly,
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  Speaker 14: you know, I wrote down the address. And I was
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  Speaker 14: working at the big market doing part time work, and
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  Speaker 14: I decided, well, okay, I'm going to find out whether
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  Speaker 14: this had to get there on what bus I had
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  Speaker 14: to catch. And we were living out Parapis at that time.
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  Speaker 14: After I went to the department and I got on
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  Speaker 14: the bus, and the emotions that I grew up with,
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  Speaker 14: hatred for her, not understanding why I wasn't good enough,
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  Speaker 14: why didn't she want me? What did I do so
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  Speaker 14: wrong for not to be in her life? So not
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  Speaker 14: knowing if I had any siblings, I was raised around
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  Speaker 14: the girls, so I had sister figures and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 14: know if I had any brothers.
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  Speaker 1: That was the most important to me.
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  Speaker 14: So then I got on the bus and got halfway
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  Speaker 14: down to Anzac Highway, and all those emotions flooded through me,
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  Speaker 14: and I started to get a bit anxious and started
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  Speaker 14: sweating and Trauma right Trauma eventually got off the bus
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  Speaker 14: and went back home. I regret that now, I regret
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  Speaker 14: that wholeheartedly. So I started at Julia far Center, started
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  Speaker 14: being a nurse's aide, and I had an amazing lady
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  Speaker 14: who was the matron, Brenda, and she really inspired me,
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  Speaker 14: and that's what I wanted to be. I started working
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  Speaker 14: and then I got home from work in my second
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  Speaker 14: year and my mum said to me, she said, I
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  Speaker 14: come sit down, Pamela. She put this piece of up paper.
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  Speaker 14: It's only just a small little article like this with
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  Speaker 14: a picture of her, and she said, oh, this lady,
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  Speaker 14: here's your mother. And she was the lady that was
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  Speaker 14: found out Victoria Race Course.
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  Speaker 1: I just sat there. I didn't know how to react.
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  Speaker 14: I think I sat there in silence and then decided
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  Speaker 14: to get up and go into sit in the land room.
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  Speaker 14: And I don't know, to be honest with you, what
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  Speaker 14: was even going through my head at that time. I
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  Speaker 14: think it was more probably a bit of a shock.
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  Speaker 14: And all I knew was know what the environment that
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  Speaker 14: I was raised in, remembering the bus, you know, how
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  Speaker 14: to get there. I finally got on that bus and
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  Speaker 14: I missed the bus stop right outside the flats and
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  Speaker 14: then got off up near the bottle shop. I think
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  Speaker 14: that gave me a bit more time to hold myself,
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  Speaker 14: you know, mentally and emotionally, and strolled back. And as
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  Speaker 14: I started walking down the driveway this two ladies came
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  Speaker 14: walking out with a baby and stroller, and one lady
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  Speaker 14: Joy turn around.
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  Speaker 1: She said, oh, darling, can I help you?
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  Speaker 14: And I said, I'm Pam, I'm here, and before I
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  Speaker 14: knew it, she just grabbed hold of me and she said.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're my sister. I'm your sister.
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  Speaker 14: And that was a very very profound moment for me.
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  Speaker 14: And I don't think I've ever had a profound moment
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  Speaker 14: like that ever again, So I think I became quite
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  Speaker 14: super glue. My foster mother was an amazing woman. She
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  Speaker 14: gave me quotes throughout my whole life, and oh my god,
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  Speaker 14: it's drown me wonkers, but you know, it came from
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  Speaker 14: a good place of love, you know, and to her,
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  Speaker 14: I was her child and she was fearful that she
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  Speaker 14: was going to lose me to my family. So that evening,
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  Speaker 14: Joy rang Sharon and rang around other family members and
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  Speaker 14: we went down to Sharon's flat on Marin Road near
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  Speaker 14: the Marin Pub, and it was overwhelming, to say the least,
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  Speaker 14: to meet, you know, the older siblings were there, Snoopy
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  Speaker 14: was there. I think Marley was there too. Everyone was
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  Speaker 14: there and even Herbert. So Herbert was her current partner,
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  Speaker 14: and he just came up and shook my hand and
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  Speaker 14: went to give me a hug. And I kind of, like,
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  Speaker 14: you know, reacted in the sense of this is, it's
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  Speaker 14: so good to have your home. Your mother will be
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  Speaker 14: very proud that you're here, and I'm your father, and
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  Speaker 14: I kind of thought, oh, okay. I didn't know how
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  Speaker 14: to react to that, and that's okay, you know, neither
• 20:28
  Speaker 14: here or there to me at this important time. But
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: it was amazing and I couldn't get enough of being there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 14: And I think because that first meeting with Joy had
• 20:40
  Speaker 14: cemented my connection that I never knew I had, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: as a child, you always wondered, you know. I think,
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: if I just want to skip back to the time
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: when we were living in Green Acres, I think I
• 20:52
  Speaker 14: might have been about eight. Then going back to getting
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: off the bus and that connection and bonding we found
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: me that night was daunting to say the least, because
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: I was standing with grown adults and they're my siblings,
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: know the haves, and that it was emotionally.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: A little bit overwhelming.
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: And I'll be honest, and this is with no judgment
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: on anyone. It was a bit of a culture shop,
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: to say the least, from the way I was raised
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: to here and now. But going to Mum's funeral was
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: extremely hard. And I went up with Joy and I
• 21:24
  Speaker 14: remember well driving up there, even before we got to
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: Point Piers and over the radio it mentioned that they
• 21:31
  Speaker 14: had the person who meted Nana in custody. I really
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: can't recall my thoughts at that time, but sitting in
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: the back and seeing your reaction, Joy was devastating to
• 21:45
  Speaker 14: say the least, and surprised on all the people that
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: was there. I was really blown away on the amount
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: of people that was there to pay their love and
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: their respect. Yeah, And I think what really sticks out
• 21:59
  Speaker 14: to me is too, is that when you put the
• 22:02
  Speaker 14: sword down, you put flowers down. Everyone just like up.
• 22:05
  Speaker 14: And it took me a while to do that, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 14: I think that was a bit of the grief, that
• 22:11
  Speaker 14: non trauma that we had grown up with, not never
• 22:14
  Speaker 14: knowing why and was ever good enough and that type
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: of stuff. So someone come up behind me and I
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: don't even know who it was, and whispered some stuff
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: in my ears, and I thought, okay, so I released,
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: I released a flower, And so thank you, sister for
• 22:31
  Speaker 14: your strength and give me the opportunity to be a
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: part of that. When I moved over here. It wasn't
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: until I think my oldest was almost a teenager. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 14: went through a very bad stage of lots of anger
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: and tried so hard to get over to Adelaide. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: Peter was working on the board of direct Us at
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: that time, and he obviously no partner. He knew where
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: I was going emotionally, and he knew what I wanted
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: to do my age was to get over to Adelaide
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: and know people who know people. And I was going
• 23:10
  Speaker 14: to get a gun. I was going to go out
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: of my way to find out where Neville had lived,
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: and I was going to knock on the door, just
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: be polight, and then force my way in and tell
• 23:22
  Speaker 14: him what he's done to a mother, tell him what
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: he's done to her children, tell him what he's done
• 23:29
  Speaker 14: to their grandchildren, and how he had devastated our lives
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: and I had no qualms in my head that I
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: wanted to shoot him.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: You want, so that's what I wanted to do.
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: And then I don't know if someone had said something
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: to me or it was just a fleeting moment that
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: I thought, well, are we doing the same.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Thing to my children as what happened to me.
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: I will be incarcerated and my children wouldn't have a mother.
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: So I think that was the driving force that made
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: me realize, wake up to yourself, wake up to yourself.
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: So yeah, I think leading up to today, we can
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: never look at justice. Yeah, I just want to make
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: an awareness, give her character, give her voice. You know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: it's kind to bring up old trauma all of us
• 24:25
  Speaker 14: in one way or another. And I took a leaf
• 24:29
  Speaker 14: out of Joy's book and she apologized to her children
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: for the trauma that she caused on them. And I
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: thought about it and thought about it, and the heartache
• 24:40
  Speaker 14: and pain of acknowledging to yourself the trauma that we've
• 24:46
  Speaker 14: impacted on our children is devastating, to say the least.
• 24:53
  Speaker 14: So it took a while for me to apologize to
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: my children. The three eldest ones were really good and
• 25:01
  Speaker 14: said it wasn't your fault, It's okay. The youngest one
• 25:07
  Speaker 14: was very hurt and cut and asked why I was
• 25:11
  Speaker 14: doing this to her, and I understand that. So it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: still still hurts deep knowing that I've caused that. But
• 25:21
  Speaker 14: I'm proud. I'm proud of my children. We've gone through
• 25:25
  Speaker 14: a lot, and the children give me strength. The grandchildren
• 25:30
  Speaker 14: give me strength, but the angels when they're sleeping. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 14: I meeting my family, yeah, it was a really profound moment.
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: And there's something I don't talk to and that's okay.
• 25:42
  Speaker 14: They don't talk to me and that's okay. But I
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: didn't want to do this by myself as we had
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: that conversation because there's no iron team.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: We are one.
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: We all share similar Heart Act campaign and this is
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: not about us and our motions towards each other. It's
• 26:01
  Speaker 14: about mom and hopefully it's a to healing.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: It was left to Daphne's eldest child, Nelson George Varco,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: known as Snookie in the family, to identify her body
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: at the city mortuary the afternoon after her death.
• 26:20
  Speaker 16: This is his statement. I've known my mother all of
• 26:23
  Speaker 16: my life.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: During the past few years, she had not enjoyed good
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: health due to a chest problem. She drank a lot
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: of alcohol. I usually saw her about every other day.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: The last time I saw my mother alive was the
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: fifteenth of March nineteen eighty two.
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: I am her next of kin.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: The night before her murder, Daphne Sansbury was at the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Overweight hotel in Adelaide. A cousin named Shirley Freshwater told
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: police she was drinking with Daphne and Neville George Forrester.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: At nine pm, Shirley left the pub. She heard Forrest
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: to say to Daphney, let's go for a ride. Then
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: he asked Shirley how to get to the race course.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: To the officer in charge of the case, Detective Senior
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Constable John Attwood, this was critical evidence and it was
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: later corroborated by another witness, Mark Anthony Quinn, who said
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: he was drinking with Forester and Daphney at the Overweight.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: A taxi driver told police that he picked up Forester
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: and Daphne and drove them first to west End Market
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: and then to the Victoria Park race course.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Hi am Jewish Sandsbury. To talk up, to speak up? Well,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: we can't hear me. I know, I know, I know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but you're going to have to a child.
• 27:48
  Speaker 17: But you've got a voice. You've got to let it out.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: What a woman name. We're not lost her once.
• 28:10
  Speaker 18: We lost her twice, once to the gulp, to wealth
• 28:15
  Speaker 18: and then too.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: This man.
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: I'm not the.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Person I should have beat. My children are the people
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: they should have been. My daughter Brenda is here, was.
• 28:34
  Speaker 18: Written me at the time, the night prior to her
• 28:38
  Speaker 18: dying passing, I was gonna go down and get some smokes.
• 28:47
  Speaker 18: I've fought for her for five hours, watched to change
• 28:52
  Speaker 18: for five hours and a different clothing, and the whole
• 28:55
  Speaker 18: time she was angry, but she had that love for
• 28:59
  Speaker 18: her grannie. She was angry, yes, but in that of
• 29:05
  Speaker 18: her anger, she was loving, cuddling and kissing her grannites.
• 29:08
  Speaker 18: And I believe these girls were the last that she
• 29:15
  Speaker 18: ever held, cuddled and kissed before she passed. I never
• 29:22
  Speaker 18: ever took into account about my children at the time,
• 29:30
  Speaker 18: because it was all about I think it was about
• 29:35
  Speaker 18: I don't know what. I'm confused. I'm really really confused.
• 29:42
  Speaker 18: I heard it on the radio and I was saying
• 29:44
  Speaker 18: to myself the night prior the Mark Langley case, the
• 29:49
  Speaker 18: family sitting there listening I said, God, I hate to
• 29:54
  Speaker 18: imagine to be that family exactly like you, Jess.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And I wakes up in the morning with the radio going.
• 30:02
  Speaker 18: Indigenous woman found dead Victoria race Course.
• 30:05
  Speaker 19: I flew up.
• 30:08
  Speaker 18: I said, that's mama. Bruther said, we don't talk shit,
• 30:14
  Speaker 18: straight up. I'm going in town to have a drink
• 30:16
  Speaker 18: with her, and she's trying to make it funny for me,
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: you know, he said, try to distract me while he
• 30:21
  Speaker 18: was that. I got a cousin todd ape and the
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: rest is history. I want justice for her. I want
• 30:30
  Speaker 18: them to know the truth. I want to stop for
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: all these women that have been abused. If it saves one,
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: if it saves.
• 30:42
  Speaker 19: One, not happy.
• 30:44
  Speaker 20: I don't want them to go what we went three
• 30:48
  Speaker 20: because I never ever imagined that we'd ever as a family,
• 30:54
  Speaker 20: would it ever go for something like this.
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: Never in my wildestreams.
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: It was bad of just losing it to well.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: For her in the tuma that we have from that,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and then this added.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: So please stay strong.
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: Let's do this for her and our grandchildren and her grandchildren.
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: Her great grannies and all of them had come.
• 31:24
  Speaker 18: I don't want my children to or my grandchildren to
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: realize it was because the tragedy that this woman loved.
• 31:32
  Speaker 18: She was in order to rub the last three years
• 31:35
  Speaker 18: of her being alive. The week two weeks prior, she
• 31:41
  Speaker 18: spoke of her children, her babies. She knew her big baby,
• 31:49
  Speaker 18: she knew her big babies. It was the younger ones, Jerry, Pammy,
• 31:58
  Speaker 18: Denise didn't even think about it. I realized she was
• 32:05
  Speaker 18: so genuine. She had all the love. She showed it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: By demanding her children back.
• 32:12
  Speaker 18: She went to government. She had Donald Dunstan on her
• 32:16
  Speaker 18: side trying to get her to get her baby's back.
• 32:22
  Speaker 18: But I know that she truly truly adored us children,
• 32:29
  Speaker 18: and I know for a fact that she loved her
• 32:32
  Speaker 18: grand babies. I've seen it with my own eyes. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 18: witnessed it, I felt it. You know, she was caring, giving.
• 32:42
  Speaker 18: It's a shame that we didn't have that all our
• 32:44
  Speaker 18: life with her. And I just want justice and I
• 32:48
  Speaker 18: want her to be heard, and I want.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: To be free, I want to be healed.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: I want to move on.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And this little old joicy for you.
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Detective John Atwood told the coroner that shortly after midnight
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: on Thursday, eighteenth of March nineteen eighty two, the body
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: of Daphney Sansbury was found in the center of Victoria
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Park race Course. She was naked except for desert boots
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: and socks. Her clothes were found four hundred meters away
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: on a shed roof. She had been assaulted by the
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: punching or kicking about the head and abdomen. She'd also
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: been strangled with a narrow ligature of some sort. At
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: one twenty four am on Thursday March eighteen, nineteen eighty two,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: police received a call from a man who called himself
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Ted Monica. He said his wife had seen a woman's dead,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: naked body by the toilets in the middle of Victoria
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Park Racecourse. Caller said an Aboriginal man was beating up
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the woman. The man's voice on the recorded call was
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: later compared to George Forrester's voice and were found to
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: be the same he called in his own crime.
• 34:20
  Speaker 21: My name is Jake Goods, son of what was his name?
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: First, Lisa, Lisa.
• 34:28
  Speaker 21: Jane Barley was when I grew up. That was her
• 34:32
  Speaker 21: mum's name. That's her name is Lisa Daphne Sansbury. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 21: I'm the second eldest child Jake.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Goods, Jack's elder brother is Adam Goods, former AFL footballer,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: an Australian of the Year for twenty fourteen.
• 34:49
  Speaker 21: Big Fly Bird Goods call Jan come at the moment,
• 34:55
  Speaker 21: Come up the Servian.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Adam has told the story of his mother's removal from
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: her family and the trauma without mentioning the fate of
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: his grandmother, Daphney Sansbury. Lisa Daphney Sansbury suffered from bipolar
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: disorder and anxiety, but helped her sons Adam Jacob Brett
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: to reclaim their indigenous identity and heritage. Sadly, Lisa died
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: in February twenty twenty two at just sixty two from
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: a heart attack.
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: Mum's obviously passed away.
• 35:28
  Speaker 21: God bless her and I Banana as well, and Nannie
• 35:31
  Speaker 21: Mark Yes, don't hear either. So you know we're here
• 35:34
  Speaker 21: for the three beautiful women in our lives. Try and
• 35:37
  Speaker 21: tell their stories. I'll try and tell Mum's story is
• 35:40
  Speaker 21: the best. Like Cannidis, we have this journey, but you
• 35:42
  Speaker 21: know I've got limited space.
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: Growing up, I was only.
• 35:45
  Speaker 21: A month off being warm and when Nana was murdered.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Mum did tell some.
• 35:51
  Speaker 21: Stories growing up, and I know I enjoyed mentioning she
• 35:55
  Speaker 21: got Nana was stolen. It was taken away twice through
• 35:58
  Speaker 21: welfare and then murdered. But Mum told me a story
• 36:01
  Speaker 21: where she was. That's three times it happened to her
• 36:04
  Speaker 21: because she was told that Nana was dead when she
• 36:06
  Speaker 21: actually wasn't dead by welfare when she was reaching out
• 36:09
  Speaker 21: trying to find her. So that was three times Nana
• 36:13
  Speaker 21: was taken away from mum, you know, twice on the
• 36:17
  Speaker 21: government and once by this this man. But you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 21: growing up mum, you know, we all know, Mum's a
• 36:23
  Speaker 21: very strong lady and she kept a lot of her
• 36:26
  Speaker 21: thoughts and emotions about Nana to herself. You know, occasionally
• 36:30
  Speaker 21: she'd share a few things, but ultimately your mum very
• 36:34
  Speaker 21: much kept herself all the way to the end.
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah, which was a shame. That's how Mum was.
• 36:40
  Speaker 21: But you know, obviously Adam's not here today to share
• 36:44
  Speaker 21: some stories.
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: He was alive and Nana was alive and may.
• 36:47
  Speaker 21: Have some other stories to share, which I do hope
• 36:50
  Speaker 21: on through this journey that we might be able to
• 36:52
  Speaker 21: get him. Also Bretton others on board that aren't here
• 36:55
  Speaker 21: with us today. But you know what's happened to Nana was,
• 36:59
  Speaker 21: you know, and a lot of Aboriginal women and men,
• 37:03
  Speaker 21: you know, back in those days. You know, the injustice
• 37:06
  Speaker 21: to all our Aboriginal people since colonization for two hundred
• 37:10
  Speaker 21: and fucking fifty years, it continues to go on for
• 37:15
  Speaker 21: our people. It's an absolute disgrace. And you're right, Tanure,
• 37:19
  Speaker 21: this is it's not a broken system. This is a
• 37:21
  Speaker 21: system that was put in place from the colonizers. It's
• 37:24
  Speaker 21: about mission management. It's about pushing Aboriginal people away and
• 37:29
  Speaker 21: dispersing us, you know, and that's carried generational trauma, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 21: that generational trauma continues in us in what happened with
• 37:37
  Speaker 21: Nana as well as you know, it's fresh. It's that
• 37:39
  Speaker 21: that wound is that's raw, it's still weeping, that the
• 37:43
  Speaker 21: blood is still stains our skin today of what's happened
• 37:49
  Speaker 21: to us as a family. And you're right, Becky, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 21: if Nana was here today, we're probably stronger together as mob.
• 37:56
  Speaker 21: But I still believe, you know, I see other mobs
• 37:59
  Speaker 21: out there too, you know, and families, we are still
• 38:01
  Speaker 21: strong family together. We might not see each other all
• 38:03
  Speaker 21: the time, but looking at everyone's eyes today, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 21: it feels like yesterday we might all got some grays,
• 38:10
  Speaker 21: but you know, we're still strong family together, and that's
• 38:13
  Speaker 21: the blood that runs in us as deep, and it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 21: you know, we are who we are from our ancestors.
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: And you know, the pop everyone you know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 21: That's walked before us, we walk in our ancestors footsteps.
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: You know, we are ancestors.
• 38:28
  Speaker 21: And it's unfortunate what happened to Nana. It's still not unfortunate.
• 38:33
  Speaker 21: This is a fucking disgrace. And I haven't actually read
• 38:37
  Speaker 21: what happened to Nana fully, you know, I still haven't
• 38:40
  Speaker 21: read what's happened to Mum, you know, and I probably won't.
• 38:42
  Speaker 21: And you know, I like to believe things in my
• 38:46
  Speaker 21: head and see the people who I loved and you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 21: and have those memories in my head moving forward, and
• 38:53
  Speaker 21: that's why I'm here and I listen to the beautiful
• 38:55
  Speaker 21: memories and stories and everyone's got together so I can
• 38:59
  Speaker 21: share them.
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: With you, with my kids, you know, kids, kids.
• 39:02
  Speaker 21: Nieces, nephews and you know, so we can have those
• 39:05
  Speaker 21: yarns and conversations together and you know, keep us strong
• 39:09
  Speaker 21: and have those family ties and keep our blood strong,
• 39:12
  Speaker 21: you know, keep our families strong, growing up. And you
• 39:16
  Speaker 21: know the injustice against our original women still today is
• 39:20
  Speaker 21: it's disgusting.
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: And the stats is you know they need to change.
• 39:25
  Speaker 21: And Adam, you know, if you can help in any
• 39:27
  Speaker 21: form and way bring justice to Nana. You know, great
• 39:33
  Speaker 21: Nana had great great Nanna.
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: You know, we've got some kids out there all the
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: way and mother.
• 39:39
  Speaker 21: If we can bring any type of justice, I think
• 39:42
  Speaker 21: we have.
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: That's that's for me that still haven't I haven't got
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: that justice and it hurts. It still hurts me. And
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: that's getting bored. I'm not watching everyone goes through this,
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: but still hurts me.
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 40:04
  Speaker 19: That's it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: On March twenty third, nineteen eighty two, five days after
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Daphne's murder, Forester was arrested on a bus and mill
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Dura in Western Victoria bound for Renmark in South Australia.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: The forty one year old suspect, who was Aboriginal, had
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: been released from jail only a month earlier on charges
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: of disorderly conduct. He was illiterate and had no fixed address.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: He was an itinerant worker, but had connections in Queensland
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: or Northern Territory. When questioned by police, Forrest has said
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: that he had heard of Daphne's murder but had never
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: met her. He also denied being an adelaide when she
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: was murdered. However, when arrested, he was in possession of
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: a blue cigarette lighter that police established was Daphne's, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: a book called the Squatter's Manual was found of the
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: crime scene with Daphne's body. It bore Forester's fingerprints. A witness,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Daphne Carpeney, told police that she knew Forester.
• 41:19
  Speaker 16: She'd been with him in the.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Overweight Hotel on several occasions and had sexual intercourse with
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: him in motels.
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: Once.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: After sex, he told Carpaeney that he believed she was
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: pregnant and he was going to kill the baby. He'd
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: punched her in the stomach repeatedly. On another occasion, when
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Carpaeney had refused to have sex with him, Forester had
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: tried to strangle her. She submitted to sex with Forester
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: out of fear.
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: My name is Jessica vasis in a Sandsbury breed and
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: her mother's name is Deathly Art.
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: And because it was the oldest girl I was stuck after.
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: It's the reason I love you. That was hell responsible
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: because of a new kids makes all they can come
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: from sto and make sure they did a copy of
• 42:24
  Speaker 15: week Place a wag stoo. But we had funders like
• 42:31
  Speaker 15: eight girls, two boys. It was snaky. He was the oldest.
• 42:36
  Speaker 22: But he was raised by our grandparents grandmother Barco and grandfathers. Yeah,
• 42:45
  Speaker 22: well I can't remember my grandmother's.
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: Don't Oh that's olive rise.
• 42:51
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: I loved going to stay there on the weekend because
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: I was I got stuck.
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: But we can actually bother you kids. I had to
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: cook for them the blog go out.
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: Would come home and say, I just want family friends.
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: I said, you've got kids, you have responsibilities, should be
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: here with us.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: You want to go out, that's fine, that's sure, care
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: about your kids.
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: I used to get really pissed off for the fact
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: that she would go out and not have any fan
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: fa tea. So I got stuck with them, with them
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: sometimes sleep with fucking where was loved? I said, tell me,
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: we would both know, Oh, I know she's gone out.
• 43:43
  Speaker 15: Other than that, she was really good to.
• 43:45
  Speaker 19: Us kids about men.
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: She caught wearing.
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: Shoes, Yeah, going to school to buy us new shoes,
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: and I wouldn't wear them, so I'll go to leave
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: the house, get halfway to school, take.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: My spoods off and go barefo. And then a couple
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: of weeks later them, I'm it's the snow. Your child
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: needs to wear shoes to school.
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: He said.
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: That party sees for nothing. On Tom she got around
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: and make me wear them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: They were too hard to start with, so I don't
• 44:23
  Speaker 15: have a new pair. But yeah, we had fun.
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: We had we by our own fun.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: When the welfare took Death and his children in nineteen
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: sixty seven, they left Jesse, then just thirteen, to Finn
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: for herself.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: And when they come.
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: It's played the kids. And I said, what does that mean?
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: I said, you're not about yourself? And I said really,
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: how old were you?
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: Thirty?
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: Maybe?
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: And I said, where the fuck am I squass? The
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: guy man sort of wake from bed to bed.
• 45:05
  Speaker 24: You know, she wasn't taken into care or put in
• 45:10
  Speaker 24: want to and she so you know, when Nana took
• 45:14
  Speaker 24: off out crying, Mum felt hurt like not only did
• 45:21
  Speaker 24: welfare not want her, but Nana didn't want her either.
• 45:24
  Speaker 24: But you know, imagine what it was felt like for
• 45:27
  Speaker 24: Nan being told or were taking your kids.
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: I would be destroyed.
• 45:33
  Speaker 25: As well and take off and then to be lied
• 45:35
  Speaker 25: to every time she comes back, saying she had a house,
• 45:38
  Speaker 25: saying all the kids don't want any to do with
• 45:40
  Speaker 25: you until he kids the same thing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: So does she di vibe like you will have because
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: you're all strong? What do you hope comes hands with me?
• 45:54
  Speaker 23: Nanna?
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: What are your hopes?
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: Well, you know she missed out on us, brong up
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: to adult and then we kiss.
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: He doesn't know who a great, great friendly.
• 46:13
  Speaker 19: Hostal But.
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: Driving she said, I'm going down, I said, near one
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: of those kids when I'm going to fifteen partect?
• 46:24
  Speaker 23: What about you know you want hand to have voice
• 46:27
  Speaker 23: through all this? Look, you want her to have a
• 46:30
  Speaker 23: voice through peace, likely giving haird a voice.
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: You know how.
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: Matter is just not swept. So that was that was
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: hard for us.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: The state coroner, Colin Mannock, attended the crime scene while
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Daphne's body was still in situ. The language in his
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: report was cold, dispassionate, and dehumanizing. He said, I saw
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: the body of an obese aboriginal female laying on its
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: back with the legs apart and bent slightly at the knees.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: At two forty five hours. I certified life extinct in
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: the absence of pulses and respiratory movements.
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: On the front of the.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Neck was a horizontal band of abrasion two centimeters wide,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: extending from below the left ear but fading on the
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: right side three to four centimeters in front of the
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: right ear. On the left breast was a post mortem
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: in size wound eleven centimeters long. On the lower anterior
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: abdominal wall were six in sized wounds which penetrated the
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: full thickness of the skin, and a further seven partial
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: thickness in sized injuries.
• 47:48
  Speaker 16: These injuries appeared to be post mortem. On the nature
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: of the wounds, I.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Suggest a piece of broken glass was the probable agent.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Mannock also noted that Daphne had three tattoos. On the
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: left forearm was written mother, and on the right four
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: were two more tattoos, the letters D E V being
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: her maiden name, Daphne enid Vaco and d GB being
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: David Jeffrey Branson, her former partner and father to three
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: of her children.
• 48:23
  Speaker 25: My name is Becky Macke's sort of the oldest of
• 48:27
  Speaker 25: the grand kids, one of the oldest, so Nana Daphanese's granddaughter,
• 48:33
  Speaker 25: although I was referred to her as black Nana because
• 48:36
  Speaker 25: they had a white nana as well, and that's how
• 48:38
  Speaker 25: I used to refer to.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: Her growing up.
• 48:41
  Speaker 25: I can remember once she borders Christmas presents and they
• 48:45
  Speaker 25: were beached tows wrapped in brown paper wrapping and tied
• 48:50
  Speaker 25: up the string, and I just thought that was just
• 48:52
  Speaker 25: amazing as a kid. And then I remember going to
• 48:56
  Speaker 25: visit her when she lived in the unit and there
• 48:58
  Speaker 25: was an arm and tree that hung over the fence,
• 49:01
  Speaker 25: and we used to pick almonds off the tree.
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: She used to like brushing my hair, and once I
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: made a.
• 49:09
  Speaker 25: House of cards on the lands in the Flora the
• 49:11
  Speaker 25: inn it as you wouldn't let anybody touch her, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 25: MoMA said, it is hard because you know, I read
• 49:17
  Speaker 25: she did Cara and Report and the fact they couldn't
• 49:19
  Speaker 25: actually name her by name and just carted it. I mean,
• 49:24
  Speaker 25: I was twelve a month after turning said in. And
• 49:29
  Speaker 25: I actually remember coming home and going all with mom
• 49:32
  Speaker 25: and dad and other nana said, oh, they've had to
• 49:35
  Speaker 25: go out. Oh, she's saying to me. I picked up
• 49:38
  Speaker 25: the paper because Dad always brought the paper, you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 25: and there she was, her face on the page and
• 49:45
  Speaker 25: I read it, looked at her and thought, wow, that
• 49:47
  Speaker 25: poor lady and that poor family, you know, not even thinking,
• 49:53
  Speaker 25: you know, I read her name and everything and didn't
• 49:55
  Speaker 25: clip to who it was. It wasn't until mom and
• 49:58
  Speaker 25: dad come home and they said, and I was so devastated.
• 50:03
  Speaker 25: Didn't get to go to the funeral. I don't know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 25: there's a lot of people in a funeral, and Mum
• 50:08
  Speaker 25: and dad and obviously made a.
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: Decision not to take Christy in myself. But I was
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: really pissed off.
• 50:13
  Speaker 25: But my kids have grown up without knowing who she was.
• 50:18
  Speaker 25: My kids didn't know her, My grandkids don't know her,
• 50:21
  Speaker 25: you know, talk about I talk about her a lot
• 50:25
  Speaker 25: to them and show them photos. But I also think
• 50:32
  Speaker 25: her not being here hasn't helped with family dynamics. And
• 50:40
  Speaker 25: I truly believe that if she was still here, I
• 50:43
  Speaker 25: know we'd all be wanting to be happy family because
• 50:46
  Speaker 25: she would take that bullshit because that who she was.
• 50:51
  Speaker 25: You know, she was feared when it came to her family.
• 50:54
  Speaker 25: That's how I remember her. And you know, I want
• 50:58
  Speaker 25: her to have a voice. I want her to be
• 51:00
  Speaker 25: one of you know, the five hundred plus the amage
• 51:03
  Speaker 25: of women.
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: You haven't had a voice.
• 51:07
  Speaker 25: You know, it's atrocious the rates that our women have
• 51:11
  Speaker 25: been beaten and killed and nothing's done about it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: And I know he's spent his life at a mental institution.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Tanya Sansbury is the daughter of Charmaine Daphney's second born.
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: So a fond memory I have of Nana is she
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: came and she took me to the movies. I can't
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: remember what movie we saw, but I remember her giving
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: me these socks and they had Daffy Duck on him,
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: because of course that was her nickname, right, was Daffy Duck.
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: And I remember.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: Holding her hand and skipping alongside of her. And I
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: remember going to her flat that she had out on
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: Marion Roade, and I remember Uncle Snooky was there, Annie
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: Sharon was there, and I remember playing with kids there.
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: Very vague on who that well.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: And I know that prior to that when I was little,
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: because I've got photos of me.
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: And her flat that she had.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: On Churchill Road, and I think there's a vague, vague,
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: vague back in my brain I think about it. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: think I have some visual stuff, but the only thing
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: that really tells me that I've actually been there is
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: photos like walking on the fence out the front. There's
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: a photo of me, So that's interesting. And I was
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: really little, maybe two three, definitely definitely toddle age. So
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: and I think that speaks to the fact that our
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: connection with her was so small and limited. And I
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: often sit and think about how hard it would have
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: been for her.
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: And how her shame and her.
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: Trauma played a role in her not being as connected
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: as she wanted to be. I wonder how much that
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: impacted on her and why she wasn't more active I
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: would say about connecting with us. So I often think
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: about that, and I often think about the fact that
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: what shits me is this has happened.
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: To us because of the system. And the system's not broken.
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: It was made that way. It was made to just
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: destroy us as a family.
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: It was made to tear away our identity and our
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: culture and our connectedness.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: And nothing has changed, you know.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: And I think we often sit in those spaces of
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: why us. You know, it's something that we've never had
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: any control over it. You know, it's always been out
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: of our control. And that's another part of it that
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: makes me angry, is that if the system wasn't made
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: the way it was, would we still be together as
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: a family with Nana and the fact that he got
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: away with murder. I think it's mindful and it's kind
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: of connects with.
• 54:02
  Speaker 12: The work that I've been doing.
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: So I've been working in domestics for ten years and
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: I see that story of women in violence. I've been
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: seeing it for ten years, and so I kind of
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: really understand that aspect of what power do Aboriginal women have?
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: What power do we actually have? And this is a
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: great way to give.
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: Power to eenpower women, Aboriginal women, to give voice to
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: the invisibleness that exists for us and make.
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: The wider community stand up and understand.
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: Who we are, that we're not just a number, and
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: that we're not just a statistic. You know, we're a
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: statistic as soon as the minute that we're born that
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: because we're born from an Aboriginal parent. I want to
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: be able to destroy some of those untrue stories that
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: have been told about us because we know they're not true.
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: We're not just a bunch of drugs and alcoholics, you know, drug.
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: Addicts, violence.
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: We're not that.
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: We never have been that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: And if some people in our community are that, where
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: do they learn that from because it didn't come from
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: marrowing people, right, The actually come from the colonizers, and
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: they have to take more responsibility for that because the
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: truth telling is the most important thing that we have
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: is to tell the truth, and that's our truth, right
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: the impact of the system of own family.
• 55:23
  Speaker 25: I've waited in the child protection field for the last
• 55:27
  Speaker 25: fifteen or so years, not for the department, but within
• 55:32
  Speaker 25: the department. I've seen the best and the worst. What
• 55:38
  Speaker 25: you know, our kids have suffered. What pathetic excuses the department.
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: Used to remove our children, you know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 25: And I fight this fights so my kids don't have
• 55:51
  Speaker 25: to continue and so my grandkids don't have to continue
• 55:55
  Speaker 25: this fight.
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: But I am fucking tired. You know, it never ends.
• 56:01
  Speaker 25: You know, women have been met and left, right and center,
• 56:03
  Speaker 25: and at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter
• 56:07
  Speaker 25: how they've lived their life or how they lived. None
• 56:11
  Speaker 25: of them deserve to have their life taken. We didn't
• 56:14
  Speaker 25: deserve to have nandertaken. And the most I use is
• 56:21
  Speaker 25: that I will not stay silent for you to feel.
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: Comfortable, because that I don't like talking about us.
• 56:28
  Speaker 25: That I'm like as being in the media unless it's
• 56:31
  Speaker 25: we're made to look bad.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: The atrocious stories of.
• 56:35
  Speaker 25: How our women have died is horrendous, and a lot
• 56:40
  Speaker 25: of women are like that. It's terrible what you know
• 56:45
  Speaker 25: their partners have done for them and children and fifteen
• 56:50
  Speaker 25: years of being.
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: Immersed in that.
• 56:54
  Speaker 25: That's a load I carry within my work life and
• 56:59
  Speaker 25: my home life. It's something that is a constant remind
• 57:05
  Speaker 25: under let her not being here, because every time, you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 25: I hear another woman's been burners and.
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: The systemic racism that follows.
• 57:19
  Speaker 25: You know, she was just a drunk, She did want help,
• 57:22
  Speaker 25: She rang the police, but when we turned up, she
• 57:25
  Speaker 25: denied he hit her.
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: What did I expect? They don't do anything and the
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: women are frights under the repercussions.
• 57:35
  Speaker 25: How many inquests do we have to have into murdered
• 57:38
  Speaker 25: women before they introduce something. I'm sick of reading inquest
• 57:45
  Speaker 25: after inquest, recommendation after recommendation, and nothing is done.
• 57:50
  Speaker 9: So I'm hoping that this will change it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: Hello, Oh this was me, Gerry Branson. I watched that
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: with Yes, we are.
• 58:07
  Speaker 26: All missing the one person in all our lives that
• 58:10
  Speaker 26: we missed dearly more ways than mine individually. It's undescribable
• 58:19
  Speaker 26: how much we missed Mum, and a real lucky enough
• 58:22
  Speaker 26: to for some of us to meet Mum and live
• 58:26
  Speaker 26: our precious lives with her.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Jerry was five when he was removed from his mother's
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: care and grew up with a foster family. He only
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: reconnected with his mother at age eighteen.
• 58:39
  Speaker 26: I was lucky enough to take three years with month
• 58:41
  Speaker 26: prior the months passing.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: But I learned a lot from within.
• 58:49
  Speaker 26: Each aspects of life shamed me this way, that way,
• 58:53
  Speaker 26: just the walk.
• 58:55
  Speaker 12: And talk of life.
• 58:57
  Speaker 26: Be the person that you are, don't change your color
• 58:59
  Speaker 26: to nobody, and standing up for what you think is right.
• 59:04
  Speaker 26: And that's just the way it always has been, in
• 59:06
  Speaker 26: the way it is. It's done a fair bit of
• 59:10
  Speaker 26: traveling with Mum. Actually the Point Pierce in her lovely
• 59:14
  Speaker 26: carved the veg panel and white panel. Then the funny
• 59:20
  Speaker 26: thing about this, this story is that Mom said, you
• 59:23
  Speaker 26: have a license, you can drive.
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: Yep, no worries.
• 59:26
  Speaker 26: I drove the point Pierce and just so happened that
• 59:29
  Speaker 26: started to rain. No wipers, It didn't work. I'm driving
• 59:34
  Speaker 26: down down Port wait for rade with my hand out
• 59:37
  Speaker 26: so with wipers and had to laugh. And and that's
• 59:43
  Speaker 26: when Mum took me to the Point Pierce to introduced
• 59:45
  Speaker 26: me to all my cousins in Point Piers and aunties
• 59:48
  Speaker 26: and uncles and so on.
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Mom is she just beam my life. She disclothed wherever
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: she went, where she whoever she talked to you.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 12: She was a magnet.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 26: She just drew in anybody, and everybody we're talking passed.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: The end of us.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 26: We're exactly the same, all painted with the one stick,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 26: and we are the same. We're beaming light and when
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 26: we get together we are just as bright as the time.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: The knowledge that she's given me as well is just
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: a phenomenal. You know, they walk.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 26: Through a crowd of people and you'd be as a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 26: pick a person and you know who they were with
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 26: an instant.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: You can read them lock a book.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 26: That was Mum's teaching in my eyes and looking at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 26: life with mon But there's.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: Only three years. That should have been longer.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 26: And as for being fostered out, well that was very
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 26: traumatic for all of us in regards of how we've
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 26: turned out. But we still hold that same rock solid
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 26: bond that we have been given a life that they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 26: were born and that's just not going to be taken
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 26: away from us. We will always walk the path of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 26: Mum's way of life. I believe. I see after losing Mum,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 26: well that was just traumatic again.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: I lost them mm hmmm. I resorted back to when
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: I was fostered out.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 26: I was the fine, uncontrollable, a person that just hates
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 26: everything around them.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: I lost my shine then.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 12: White like.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: Uh, I got to cut shup because it's doesn't making
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: me angry inside and it will be there and I'm
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: still there.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: From me, Jerry has been holding a lot of guilt
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: over his mum's death. In nineteen eighty two. Joy Sansby
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: told police that her mother had been angry with Jerry
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: when she went out on the night of her murder.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Jerry had cut up her garden hose and she planned
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: to go out and get rotten drunk, then come home
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: and give him hell.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 16: But she never made it home.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 27: So I'm Rannie. I'm Jerry's daughter, to be honest, I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 27: feel and carry so much of Nan from what Dad
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 27: has told me. And yeah, I guess it's about all
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 27: of you's brothers and sisters. You're getting some healing, I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 27: guess from that trauma. But yeah, my main concern is
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 27: Jerry and how he holds this so close to him,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 27: and every day, Yeah, he blames himself, and I just, yeah,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 27: I wish that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 28: He wouldn't, but yeah, that's yeah, that's my my main
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 28: every day.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: What you go, don't blame you.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 29: I never had so he's supposed to be had that. No, So.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 18: Okay, we need for you to let what you want
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 18: for Dad and what you thought the outcomes to all this.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: Your dad has spoken to me about the anger that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: he's carried for a long time.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he finds difficult to put down, and he also
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: feels very bad that he has sometimes put that on
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: his children as well, and he struggles to move beyond that.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 27: So I think it goes back to I think Dad
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 27: and was it Uncle Snooky or they chopped up her
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 27: garden hose and she got it was Dad. Yeah, she
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 27: got really angry and wild about it and then took
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 27: off for the night drinking and that's when she didn't
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 27: come home.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: So that's take Dad blames himself for that because he.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 18: Feel sidies.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: From us.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 18: He's taken it from his siblings and he's taken it from.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 11: His nephew and.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 18: This has been forty four years.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: A burden.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: That's the way.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 18: It's the way he is, and I feel he's pain
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 18: every day.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: That's why he's the way he's.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 18: Because he eating every one of us he does, specially
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 18: the grand babies.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 14: I wouldn't want you any other way rather than you
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 14: are now, heart and soul and spirit always always, And
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 14: unfortunately it was mum's time. Sadly, you've got to take
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 14: that bird, bob yourself, brother, for you, for your children
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 14: and your grand baby.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: You need to live now, really really live.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 18: This is what you wanted mama.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 14: Okay, So you know how we're yeng about what we
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 14: want to achieve from this healing.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: You speak up about that now.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 12: That's the longest point.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 18: We need to live that bird and brother, I understand.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: I saw that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 11: I was there with you.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: I lived with you that day. You know that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 18: I've thought that burdened for you too, do you, Jerry?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, just got a little bit for this is.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 18: Yeah, Oh welcome, thank you.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 19: Thanks, that's yeah, that's my late one.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 27: Yeah, getting healing for dad, I guess, and for the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 27: rest of the siblings.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: It's well she taught us. Well, we'll talk he.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 30: Hi.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: I'm Laura Sansbury, daughter of Margaret Brown.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: The Lake Margaret Brown was Daphne's fourth child, born in
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 31: I'm gonna cry straight away.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: Knowing then was great.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 31: She was funny, always funny.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 19: No matter what.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 31: We were doing, she was always checking in to make
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 31: sure that you better be doing the right thing. No
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 31: further from her front door, Marion Robe were allowed to pass.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: She's seen us near that window. She would scoot us
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: right back grass area, only.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 16: Oh so hard.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: She's she was really awesome.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 31: Like meeting Dad for the first time, she tucked him
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 31: in straight away. Every child of hers that brought in
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 31: a partner she instantly just attached to. So she was
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 31: never judgmental with anybody. The first time we met Uncle Jerry,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 31: Nana was walking down a cavenue with him, and Dad
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 31: looked at Mum and said, who is this long headed
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 31: git with Mum and Mom's like, way up there, Jeff,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 31: and then Uncle Jerry. Nana had walked up and she's thought, well,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 31: this is your brother. This is my youngest son, And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 31: Dad did the youngest son, I'm the son.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 19: They clicked.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 31: When Nana seen Mum and Uncle Jerry together but united,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 31: you could see the warmth come out of her.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: She was.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: Glowing like she was happy.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 31: Finally, you know, she brought something together that was taken
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 31: from her.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: Mum was as bubbly as she was a big sister.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 11: She loved, she loves Uncle Jerry.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 31: She loved it all. Mum was mutual. None was the same.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 31: None loved everybody. None wanted to be there for everybody.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 31: I didn't get together the funeral in them. I don't
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 31: know if that was.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 11: Mum and Dud's choice.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 31: I think a week after Nana was taken, I woke
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 31: up at two o'clock in the morning in my dream
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 31: and I had a huge huntsman on my chest. When
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 31: I woke up, I looked up and on the end
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 31: of my bed was Nana and she was going to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 31: me like it's okay, It's okay. And then Uncle Jerry
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 31: comes running through the door with the hammer to kill
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 31: this huntsman that's on my chest. As he goes to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 31: hit the huntsman, I wake up from this dream and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 31: then I just see Nana walking.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: Out the door.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 31: That was my last scene of Nana. Like I smell
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 31: her a lot. Every time I see a dinner tray,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 31: I think Nana and Orange just I remember her orange
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 31: curtains in the Marion flat and they.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 11: Were closed on dark.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And opened the ford light.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: But I don't know.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 31: I've got a lot of memories of Nane, but the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 31: memories that I've been hearing and then they jump in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 31: so it's like, I don't know if it's a memory
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 31: or if it's you heard that, But I just I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 31: do know. She loves everybody that she come across. She's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 31: not a harmful person. If you were an ass, she
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 31: would just she still love you.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 32: She was warm, always warm, and he deserves to get
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 32: Any woman is ever truded like that needs to be heard.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 31: And she's definitely a big factor here. We also cry
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 31: about her dad. He talks about her. He said he
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 31: married her daughter, but she was the most amazing woman.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 31: No one could, no one could shine over her of women.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 31: That's not biased, it's not biased. And that's if Mum
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 31: was here, she would probably sit on the floor and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 31: cry and tell everyone being fucked because that was men's words.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 31: And that's yeah, it's sad. I can't if I do
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 31: any more, I want to cry hysterically. But thank you guys.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 23: Hi.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: Thanks the youngest or deafnely thanksby Dutch Barkay.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 33: I'm one of the children who was taken out of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 33: the stolen freneration, fostered family. They were trying their kids
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 33: that they fostered me and then five kids came after it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 19: Never met my mother.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 34: The only things I remember is as a a little
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 34: girl standing at the warfare's upper store.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: Mom was currently supposed to turn up.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 35: It was raining, it was pouring down. All I could
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 35: hear was the welfare lady stating how much of grid
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 35: So that was one part, and then.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 36: Welfare constantly telling us that my foster parents and me
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 36: that Mum didn't want us and never will want us.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 19: So I've carried through my whole life that.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 35: Excuse my friendship got Fuck mum, the pain of a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 35: loved Right now, as a sixty year old, I'm breathing.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: I'm on a roller coaster ride right now.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 33: You know that roller coaster just not stopping, Like you're
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 33: stopping the next step and you you're crying your heart
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 33: out the next stop is just so damn angry.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: The whole situation where Mum's murder. It was weird because
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: that night I was we were living in gaul It
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: sound asleep. I couldn't breathe. I kept feeling my net
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: being strangled.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 33: I've never spoken The only person I've spoken to you
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 33: about this is being I was grabbing, trying to grabbed
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 33: something I couldn't any struggling with de breathe, and then
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 33: I eventually something was released and that I've got and.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: Put and on the wire. I freaked out, totally freaked out.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 36: I left a light on and it didn't occur to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 36: me until later on.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: In light that about Mum's murder.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 36: I didn't I didn't go to the funeral because I've
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 36: still had a lot of hate and frustration, anger about
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 36: the whole situation, about being flustered out at trauma in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 36: my life in regards to Coster family, which I'm not
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 36: going to indulge.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 34: So do I want justice, Yes, I don't know, probably
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 34: not going to happen. But what I would do want
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 34: is that something to happen in the future for all,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 34: not only just in business women, but for all women,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 34: that we've got a right to stay alive, we've got
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 34: a right to be protected, we've got to write, to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 34: be loved, we've.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: Got a right to be on this earth as much
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 9: as everybody else.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: So yep, that's it.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 30: Thank you.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 37: Your name is Selena and I'm the daughter of Sharon
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 37: Sainsbury and she's the daughter of Daphanie Sainsbury.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I remember doing lots of one.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 37: She bought me from kindergarten on the morning show and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 37: would be half cut and hangover.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 37: We would always sit out in the car park and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 37: play with tennis ball. And then I bought me these
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 37: beautiful earings bluebird. One went with a neck clothes and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 37: once I took him off, they went for a walk.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 37: But she bought Nana bought me that, and I was
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 37: a loving person. She wanted to take me in at
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 37: night and tell me to go to sleep. Mind a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 37: big budge, don't fight. I remember a purple brinket. She
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 37: hadn't a bed, just needly like any marks. Actually, I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 37: was gonna say this while yeah, yep, probably think this
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 37: could be the same one. Yeah, but I remember in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 37: the flat Sascot Park, so I had my first lake.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 37: Those little fruits were streets. Yeah, I spent a lot
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 37: of time Renan. I wish, yeah, I just wish I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 37: could pull a lot out the file. They just ain't come.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: It's hard, isn't it.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: George Neville Forrester was duly charged with Daphne Sansbury's murder
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: and committal proceedings were held in the Adelaide Magistrates Court
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: in June nineteen eighty two, and he was committed to.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 16: Stand trial in August that year.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Forrester's trial was held in August nineteen eighty two in
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court of South Australia. By then he completely
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: changed his story, omitting he was in Adelaide at the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: time of the murder, but he had made the phone
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: call to police, and that he knew the race course.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: But still he denied murdering Daphne. His counsel argued that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: he was insane and incapable of forming criminal intent. The
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: jury agreed and found that Forrester was not fit to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: stand trial and he was placed in strict custody until
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: the governor's pleasure be known. You know, my dad was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: actually a forensic psychiatrist in Sydney and it was his
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: job to assess people in these situations where people had
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: mental impairment or other issues. When I looked at the material,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: I wish he was still alive for him to read it,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: because all through the investigation I could see someone who
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: answered questions cogently, lucidly, knew who he was, knew what
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: had happened, and at the end of all this he
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: was shown the side door of the mental impairment when
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I think it seemed clear that he knew what he
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: was doing.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 12: And then still seeking.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: From the Supreme Court of South Australia more detail on
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: the trial. What was the evidence that was so compelling
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Because I can't see it. I can't see it. It
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: could be there, but I think that's an important part
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: of the healing process, is to understand the process. At
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: least you might not agree with it, but I think
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: one of the issues that Pam brought up was the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: fact that the knowledge across your family is incomplete of this.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 12: So I think that's the first start.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: I'm all about making this a milestone in your family,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: but also to project outwards for the other five hundred families.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: I've had to suffer something quite similar to this, so
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: I can't guarantee that I can make change, but I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: can project.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 12: This power to my audience that I felt today. To
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 12: me is my job.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: But I really sincerely thank you for your openness, the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: power of your testimony, your emotion.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 12: You've just been unflinching. It's been my heart is breaking
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 12: for you.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: But at the same time I feel a great sense
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: of optimism that if one person like me, who you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: I'm from the society that caused all these issues. I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: from the people that caused all these issues. But if
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: I can tell the story to other people, and I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: think there's an audience that wants to hear it now,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: you know. And I think through your brother's testimony that
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: was also a milestone. This is you know, one thing
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I was curious when I paid to you. I said,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Adams told his story and it was very powerful. It
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: went all across the country, but it left out this piece.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: And I think to put the whole thing together now
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: and understand how Lisa, your mum was, her issues that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: she never really talked about, I now understand and I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: think others will understand. So what happened to George Neville Forester?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: The Supreme Court of South Australia refused my request to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: access transcripts of his trials and the homicide file because
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: the case involved mental health. It seems that he was
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: detained in a secure psychiatric hospital until his second trial,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: but once acquitted, they could no longer hold him.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 16: We may never know what happened next.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: However, archive searches in Queensland yielded two more records of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: George Neville Forester in nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety two.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Good afternoon, sir, gooday, Pam, how are you merely good things?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 27: Hey?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: Listen, I got those files from Queensland and it's it's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: certainly him, same birthday, sixteenth of July nineteen forty. And
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: they're not big offenses, but it's a string of offenses
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: in mad iSER, Rockhampton and places around there. It's vagrancy,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: force pretenses, resisting arrest, breach of bail and also theft
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: of a tube of glue from Coles Meyer in Bunderberg.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: But interestingly, when he appears in court there, he's just
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: got out of hospital where he'd been stabbed over the heart.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 19: And the in the arm.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he survived that. I mean, he's lucky to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: survive that. I guess it's tempting to say this is
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: sort of payback for what he did, but I mean
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: it's you know, doesn't it does, But it kind of
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: shows he goes on to commit more offenses.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 12: He's able to understand the charges.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: So all this mental health stuff in South Australia is
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: kind of rubbish really.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 12: Yep.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Connor knew that, but I.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: Think so he gets good legal representation and he's able
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: to you know, get away with murder effectively. But tell me,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: how are things going since our meeting in Horsham. There's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: been more development, some people speaking with each other, and
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: what's been the wash up?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 30: Well, everyone's looking forward to another meeting, So it's just
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 30: a matter of I think they're all in the spot.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: And I think the first one opening up some of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: the you know.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: The old wounds has less them having.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 30: Little memories afterwards as well, so they're definitely remembering a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 30: bit more pieces to know the circumstances.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 12: I must.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm really pleased to hear that this is generated
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: more contact between your family and trying to talk about
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: these issues. And because I think that's what I felt
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: at Horsham, that everyone was these events had pushed people
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: far apart, So I'm really pleased to hear that that
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: that's been the upshot.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 30: Yes, And I think by going through this process to
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 30: having a better understanding what actually happened and why he
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 30: was never charged, I think that's a bit of.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: The heartache, not the truth.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 30: So you know, it's that lack of justice again that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 30: keeps biting at our ankles.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: I guess what I'm really pleased about is that our
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  Speaker 4: contact led to this, led to people coming together and
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  Speaker 4: to remember your mother, what happened to her, the lack
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  Speaker 4: of justice.
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  Speaker 30: It's about moving forward, But I really want to focus
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  Speaker 30: on the lack of justice for.
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  Speaker 1: All indusinous women, not just my mother. But you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to scale as well. That's my passion here.
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  Speaker 30: And there are quite a few family members who agree
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  Speaker 30: under sent because they're still women.
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  Speaker 1: They've been murdered today that's got no justice their family.
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  Speaker 4: What I've heard from you guys now gives me a
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  Speaker 4: fuller understanding, and I take that understanding in the other
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: cases that I do in this way, and I feel
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  Speaker 4: privileged to have helped you with this, and I think
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  Speaker 4: I really admire the way you, Pam, have taken this
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  Speaker 4: on board. You're a leader in your community and you're
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: a leader in your family.
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  Speaker 12: So all power to you.
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  Speaker 30: Thank you, and thank you for giving us the opportunity
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  Speaker 30: to start this process, giving us some inspiration and more
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  Speaker 30: pride and more driven to.
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  Speaker 1: Make this happen.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I'm pleased. I'm very pleased.
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  Speaker 18: Pa.
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  Speaker 12: Mu's been a pleasure to work with you, and we're
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  Speaker 12: going to do more in the future.
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  Speaker 30: Absolutely, and I'm truly grateful for your input and you know,
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  Speaker 30: your encouragement behind your passion that drives you. So that's
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 30: given us strength and once again, like you said, it's
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  Speaker 30: united us in a way that some of us don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm going to invite myself back to Horsham when
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  Speaker 4: you do some of this restorative justice program, and I'd
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  Speaker 4: like to see it in action and tell that story
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 12: So you I've just invited myself as I always do.
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  Speaker 1: No, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 4: I love you, You're fantastic, I love your family.
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  Speaker 12: It was a privilege for me to be involved in this.
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  Speaker 30: So oh, you're truly blessing and I truly believe you.
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  Speaker 30: Know you've helped us in a short amount of time
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  Speaker 30: you've been with PS. I can only imagine what you've
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 30: done for other people in the past. So keep up
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 30: the good work. And yeah, definitely a blessing. Not that
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  Speaker 30: I'm religious, but you're a blessing.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you, my dear.
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  Speaker 1: All of this talk to them in touch with you
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  Speaker 1: from time to time. I hope you don't mind that.
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  Speaker 12: No, please, I would expect that it'd be great. All right,
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  Speaker 12: we'll see what happens. Awesome, Thanks, Pam, take care.
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  Speaker 16: How good is that?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 12: Unexpected?
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  Speaker 16: Didn't think that was going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like it's been a wonderful exercise, positive
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: exercise that the full circumstances of Deafnitely Sansbury's life and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: death are understood, and it gives the family something to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: go forward with.
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  Speaker 16: And I think so many other families out there. I'd
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  Speaker 16: love to hear from more families of Indigenous women murdered
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  Speaker 16: over the years.
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  Speaker 4: This is a good example of the process, lack of justice,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: lack of recognition, and there are five hundred stories somewhat
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: like this or exactly the same. It's a pleasure to
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  Speaker 4: make this story and I hope you've enjoyed it. Please
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: get back to me with any other feedback that you
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: might have in this area. I really want to hear
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: from indigenous families and also those who know about these stories.
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  Speaker 16: Adam Shaft.
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