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Encore: GBF- A New #1 QB (w/Field Yates) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: God bless football, Mikey A.
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  Speaker 2: God bless football, Taylor.
• 0:17
  Speaker 3: God bless football, Stu Gatz.
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  Speaker 1: Not nearly as excited as I expected him to be.
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  Speaker 1: My team lost last night.
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  Speaker 4: Who's your team?
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  Speaker 2: Pats.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. Matt Collins is best friend. That's how he determined.
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  Speaker 3: But he's on IR right now.
• 0:31
  Speaker 4: So why root for him?
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: The IR is your best team now.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't care if we're being honest.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If he's truly a friend, you'll want, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: Mac is out, you want the Patriots to lose because
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: it increases Mac's importance to the team.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we need those playoff bonuses.
• 0:45
  Speaker 4: What do you mean we? He gets them, not you.
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  Speaker 3: We're a team here.
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  Speaker 1: Can you get Mac on the show to see if
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Mac indeed thinks you guys are a team, a tandem?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we have to meet him in person. He said
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't go on Zoom shows.
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  Speaker 4: Enough.
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  Speaker 6: Mac's been on the show when Taylor and I interviewed
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  Speaker 6: him at Radio Row.
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  Speaker 3: When we took an hour and a half bus to
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  Speaker 3: San Jose.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We only had to travel over 3,000 miles to meet
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  Speaker 1: his friend, Mac Collins, on.
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  Speaker 4: Media day at the Super Bowl. Why?
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  Speaker 2: I said it then.
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  Speaker 6: I did not think that they were close the way
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  Speaker 6: Taylor said. And then I saw Mac's reaction to seeing Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: They're that close.
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  Speaker 1: We will get to Stu Yagatz. Field Yates is going
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  Speaker 1: to join us. As well, looking forward to that. We
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: had an argument during Stugatz and Company about Caleb Williams
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson and who's more important to the Bears' success.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to have that now, but I am
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  Speaker 1: just telling you we will ask Field Yates about it.
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  Speaker 2: Have to.
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  Speaker 1: Later in this episode of God Bless Football. And again, Stu,
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  Speaker 1: you got some coming off an 8-3, guys. College football,
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  Speaker 1: an 8-3.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good week.
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  Speaker 4: It is a good week, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But Taylor has a game here of who says no.
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  Speaker 1: As we head into a big football weekend, college and NFL.
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: So, Taylor, take it away. That porn music.
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  Speaker 2: That's more porn than the last one.
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  Speaker 4: This is definitely. You know what? My friend told me.
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  Speaker 4: He sent me a text. He was listening.
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  Speaker 1: He said, Mikey deserved a raise for calling you.
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  Speaker 4: Out on what you thought was porn music.
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  Speaker 3: This sounds like Austin Powers almost. Like the spy who
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  Speaker 3: shagged me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can hear it. I hear porn.
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  Speaker 3: Tomato, tomato.
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  Speaker 2: You always hear porn, apparently.
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  Speaker 4: Well, when I watch football, it's like watching porn.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's something I can get by. Go ahead, Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: So my who says no this week revolves around the
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles, and I'm going to bring this up to
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  Speaker 3: field when we have field on. But Saquon Barkley is
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  Speaker 3: expected to play with his hamstring injury against the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But if the Cowboys beat the Eagles and the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: fall to 2-5... Who says no? A second and third
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  Speaker 3: round pick to Philadelphia, Saquon Barkley goes to the Minnesota Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: So you have the Vikings picking up the phone when
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  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman calls. That's something no one should do. It
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  Speaker 1: means he's about to fleece you.
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  Speaker 3: But if he starts dangling like a carrot, instead of
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  Speaker 3: a carrot, it's Saquon Barkley, and you're like, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's always hurt.
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  Speaker 1: The Vikings are fine without Saquon Barkley. Mikey, do you
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  Speaker 1: think the Vikings say no? A second and a third.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they say no.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's the kind of player that would make
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  Speaker 6: their offense run that much better because he's one of
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  Speaker 6: those guys that even though he's been a little bit
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  Speaker 6: slower lately.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy you have to worry about at all times.
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  Speaker 3: So, Stu, you say the Vikings are fine without Saquon Barkley.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they're undefeated.
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  Speaker 3: They're 5-0. But I think if you're Minnesota, you have
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  Speaker 3: a legitimate reason to sacrifice draft capital to improve a
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  Speaker 3: glaring weakness where the Minnesota Vikings, these are some of
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  Speaker 3: their rushing stats, 3.8 yards per carry, 21st in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: 28 rushing first downs, 28th in the NFL. 23rd in
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  Speaker 3: rushing EPA per play, just nine missed tackles forced by
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  Speaker 3: their running backs, fewest in the NFL. It feels like
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  Speaker 3: the Vikings are winning despite having a rushing success, and
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  Speaker 3: if you bring in somebody like Saquon Barkley, maybe that
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  Speaker 3: helps out offense where Kyler Murray is asked to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'm not saying they don't need a running back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'd prefer a more durable running back,
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  Speaker 1: more of a sure thing for a second and a
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  Speaker 1: third round pick.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor might cost you a one, though.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be more inclined, and I understand what Taylor is saying.
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  Speaker 1: Vikings have a window. Go for it right now. This
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  Speaker 1: is a glaring weakness on the team. I'd be more inclined,
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  Speaker 1: I think, to give up a first for Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 1: than I would a second and a third for Saquon.
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  Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy, but.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about the Philadelphia aspect in this?
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  Speaker 3: Because it feels like Philadelphia has already gotten everything that
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  Speaker 3: they could have wanted out of Saquon Barkley when he
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  Speaker 3: helps them win a Super Bowl. And if Philadelphia, now
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  Speaker 3: with the news that Jalen Hurts is going to be
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  Speaker 3: out for the season... If Philadelphia is headed for a
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  Speaker 3: true reset on their roster, why are you holding on
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  Speaker 3: to a 29-year-old running back whose trade value is only
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  Speaker 3: going to decline over time?
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  Speaker 4: I understand. I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 2: I love the idea of Philadelphia hitting a hard reset.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: But when Howie Roseman calls you and offers you Saquon Barkley,
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  Speaker 1: there's a good chance to damage goods.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying. Just saying. Don't pick up the phone
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  Speaker 4: when he calls. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So if you guys don't think Minnesota... Let's say Minnesota
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  Speaker 3: says no in this situation and Harry Roseman is hell-bent
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  Speaker 3: on getting some kind of assets back for Saquon Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: He calls up Seattle. And Seattle says... Does Seattle say
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  Speaker 3: no in this deal?
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  Speaker 4: I think Seattle's already... They do. Yeah, they've shown... They
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  Speaker 4: say no. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Seattle told you what they think about the running back
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  Speaker 6: position when they.
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  Speaker 2: Let Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: And now they drafted a guy in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting Zach Charbonnet back.
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  Speaker 6: They are not going to now trade draft capital for
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  Speaker 6: a big contract at the running back position.
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  Speaker 3: Mikey, I get what you're saying, that they showed what
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  Speaker 3: they thought about the running back position when you let
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker walk, but that could also be Seattle kind
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  Speaker 3: of admitting, hey, we kind of made a mistake here
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  Speaker 3: because our offense has taken a nosedive since we let
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  Speaker 3: him walk, and we don't really have a running back
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  Speaker 3: position to replace that kind of production.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they do have their running back. He gets healthy
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  Speaker 4: this weekend. Let's see how that looks, right?
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  Speaker 3: Charbonnet?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Charbonnet should play this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like a fancy wine. It does. Put it on
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  Speaker 4: the poll. Does Charbonnet sound like a fancy wine?
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  Speaker 3: I'll take the Charbonnet.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like a glass of Charbonnet?
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  Speaker 1: I think Seattle likes Charbonnet so much that they were
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  Speaker 1: willing to let Kenneth Walker walk.
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  Speaker 6: Can we get the one-table guy to say Charbonnet?
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  Speaker 7: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Jadarian Price, too, when Jadarian Price comes back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really hell-bent on Saquon Barkley going somewhere. We're
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  Speaker 1: just telling you what we think. It's who says no,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you I think the Vikings say no.
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  Speaker 4: That's all.
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  Speaker 3: What about Houston Texans?
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  Speaker 4: They might say yes.
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  Speaker 3: Or you give C.J. Shroud an elite back. Take some
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  Speaker 3: of that pressure off the passing game. But the problem
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  Speaker 3: with the Houston Texans, it's like it feels like they
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  Speaker 3: already made their move trading for Marvin Harrison Jr. So
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  Speaker 3: now you're doubling down on the capital that you're giving up.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Texans are fine. That defense needs to play better.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it just does, right?
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  Speaker 2: Can I throw one at you guys?
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Who says no?
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 6: The Chargers call the Jets. And they say, listen, this
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  Speaker 6: just isn't working out. You give us two of your
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  Speaker 6: top first-round picks this year. The Jets have three.
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  Speaker 4: For Herbert.
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  Speaker 2: And a second-round pick. We give you Justin Herbert. Who
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  Speaker 2: says no?
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  Speaker 1: So Mike McDaniel, offensive genius, John Harbaugh, they couldn't make
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  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert the quarterback that we all think that he
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  Speaker 1: could be.
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  Speaker 4: And you think the Jets are going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to do it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't, but I'm wondering who says no.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Jets say no pretty fast there.
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  Speaker 4: Justin Herbert says no. Begs. Bleeds. What does he care?
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  Speaker 4: If I'm going to be bad at this, can I
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  Speaker 4: do it in L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Being bad in New York isn't that bad.
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  Speaker 3: It's worked out well. It's the only reason we know
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  Speaker 3: Cam Scadaboo, really.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Jets say no just because of the
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  Speaker 3: draft capital that they have this year. It feels, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to say unprecedented, but it feels like they're
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  Speaker 3: in such a great spot where the Cowboys are struggling,
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  Speaker 3: the Colts are struggling, the Jets are going to struggle
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  Speaker 3: on their own. The Jets don't need the Jets' help
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  Speaker 3: to struggle. Those are potentially, Mikey, three top 15 picks.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think you have to be desperate to
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  Speaker 3: make a move for somebody like Justin Herbert.
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  Speaker 1: Although it would be nice if a quarterback failed at
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  Speaker 1: the place they were drafted at and turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be great with us.
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  Speaker 4: As opposed to the other way around. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: it's going to happen. It would be a nice change.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. Anyway, do you have another one?
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  Speaker 4: I don't. Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Taylor?
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  Speaker 3: No, the only other team that I had mentioned was
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers trying to get Saquon Barkley. But again,
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  Speaker 3: they have Josh Jacobs coming back. And, you know, LeFleur
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  Speaker 3: came out with that statement saying, I think Josh Jacobs
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  Speaker 3: has learned from his mistakes.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He's extremely remorseful. I do believe he's a good person.
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  Speaker 3: I think LeFleur went a little over the top with
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  Speaker 3: his statement. The only reason Josh Jacobs... He's getting a
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  Speaker 3: second chance because he averages four yards to carry.
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  Speaker 4: Let's put it on the ball.
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  Speaker 6: Is that kind of like Robert Sala saying, hey, I
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  Speaker 6: know this guy went to go get a gun against
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  Speaker 6: his teammate.
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  Speaker 2: But like 31 teams give me a call. I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you how good of a person he is.
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  Speaker 3: If you're JC Latham in that situation who was. the
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  Speaker 3: apparent target when he goes to his car when you
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: hear Salah saying Salah ranting and raving how he's such
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  Speaker 3: a great person you're kind of like coach do you
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  Speaker 3: have my back.
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  Speaker 2: Here yeah I don't think so I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean he can be a great person and still.
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  Speaker 2: You know Go to get a gun against his teammate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there.
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  Speaker 4: Are you saying they're– well, to use against a teammate.
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  Speaker 4: That's where you got me. I was going to say
• 10:26
  Speaker 4: there are great people who also have guns. O.J.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Simpson, great person. Use the knife, allegedly.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: I can't believe we're still talking about that trial.
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  Speaker 1: All right, picks coming up next, and then Field Yates
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: will argue about Caleb Williams. It is time for this
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: week's edition of Steelya Gotts, all lines courtesy of our
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  Speaker 1: friends over at FanDuel and the FanDuel Sportsbook. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with college, of course. Eight and three a week ago. Mikey,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I was picking too many games. I
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: had 11 games. Turned out to be my best week.
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  Speaker 4: Of the year. Eight and three.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to double down, aren't you? Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 4: You know I am. Of course I am.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started here with Michigan. They're taking on Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: It's at home, plus 7.5. Indiana coming off that loss
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  Speaker 1: to Ohio State a week ago. I think this is
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: where it falls apart for Kurt Cignetti. They just needed
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: a loss. They got it at Ohio State, and now
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: things start to unravel for an Indiana team that I
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: don't think is very good. Michigan is plus 7.5. Buy
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  Speaker 1: it up to 8. Michigan wins the game outright. They
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  Speaker 1: win by 4 points. over Indiana. LSU minus six and
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: a half at Auburn.
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  Speaker 4: Buy it down to six. I think this is one
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: of those spots.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: I know Auburn just beat Alabama, but an opportunity for
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  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin to say.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you know what? We beat that team that beat Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: And therefore, they're going to take this game very seriously,
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  Speaker 1: try to blow them out, and they will.
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  Speaker 4: LSU wins.
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  Speaker 1: They cover LSU by 10 points over Auburn. Northwestern, they're hot.
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  Speaker 1: Top 25, minus.
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  Speaker 4: 16 and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Buy it down to 16. They're taking on a dreadful
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: Rutgers team. Northwestern wins. They cover Northwestern by 24 points
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  Speaker 1: at home.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Minus 9.5 at Illinois. Illinois not very good. Oregon has
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: to be better. I think they will be. Buy it
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  Speaker 1: down to 9.
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  Speaker 4: Take Oregon. They win. They cover. Oregon by 14 points
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  Speaker 4: on the road.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Mississippi plus 3.5 at Texas. Buy it up to 4.
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  Speaker 1: Why is Mississippi not favored in this game? They have
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: the best player on the field. I think Mississippi wins
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: the game outright. They win by a touchdown over Texas. Kentucky,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: minus 10.5. Take it on Vandy. Buy it down to 10. Kentucky,
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  Speaker 1: sneaky good team, but not so sneaky anymore.
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  Speaker 4: They win. They cover.
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky by 17 points over Vanderbilt. USC, minus 2.5 at Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Buy it down to 2. Take SC.
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  Speaker 4: They win. They cover. They win by 10 points on
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  Speaker 4: the road.
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  Speaker 1: UNC, some would say the hottest team in the country,
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  Speaker 1: minus 9.5. Buy it down to nine. Take the Tar
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  Speaker 1: Heels over Syracuse. This is more of a bet against
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Syracuse than it is on North Carolina. I like the
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  Speaker 1: Heels here to win by 17 points at home. And finally,
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Houston plus six and a half at Utah. Utah wins.
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  Speaker 1: Houston covers. Buy it up to seven. Utah by a
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: field goal. Let's go to the NFL. I was two
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: and three a week ago. We'll start with the Bengals
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: here at the Ravens. Bengals plus one and a half.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I love Cincinnati. You know I love Joe Burrow. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Bengals.
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  Speaker 4: They win.
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  Speaker 1: They cover the Bengals by 10 points over the Ravens.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: The Vikings, Kyler Murray, minus six and a half. Take
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: it on the Colts. Buy it down to six and
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  Speaker 1: take the worst 5-0 team in NFL.
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  Speaker 4: History, the Vikings. They win.
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  Speaker 1: They cover the Vikings by 13 points over the Colts.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Mikey will hate this. Jets minus four and a half
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  Speaker 1: against the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 4: It's at home. The Dolphins are bad. The Jets are so-so.
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  Speaker 1: When a so-so team takes on a bad team, I
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  Speaker 1: go with a so-so team.
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  Speaker 4: Ridiculous. Buy it down to four. Take the Jets. They win.
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  Speaker 4: They cover.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: The Jets by ten points over the Dolphins. Giants plus
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: ten and a half. They're at the Texan, J.J.
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  Speaker 4: McCarthy.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: This game's going to be a lot closer than people think.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: The Texans will win it. The Giants will keep it close.
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  Speaker 1: The Texans by four. I'm taking the Giants plus ten
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: and a half. 49ers, best team in football. Traveling across
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: the country, they take on the Falcons. They're up and down.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: It's minus two and a half. I love the Niners here.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Niners win by 14 points on the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: road in Atlanta. The Panthers, America's team, our favorite team.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Minus two and a half. They're taking on the Bucs
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield and that chip on his shoulder. It's
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: going to take Baker a minute to get right. I
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: like the Panthers here. Minus two and a half.
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  Speaker 4: They win.
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  Speaker 1: They cover the Panthers by ten points over Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, big game of the weekend. The Chiefs at Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: Plus two and a half. I'll take the Chiefs getting points.
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  Speaker 1: Buy it up to three. Kansas City going to win
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  Speaker 1: the game outright.
• 15:16
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• 17:02
  Speaker 4: I love Taylor. I love Mikey A.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I always imagined, I always thought to myself on the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: drive home, on the drive to work, what's the thing
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: that's going to make us fight? What is the thing
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: that's going to get us in a fight? And I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: found that thing this morning. It's Caleb Williams of Ben Johnson.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So we bring on Field Yates, fantasy-focused football podcast, first
• 17:26
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• 17:29
  Speaker 1: settle this debate here. Well, I don't want to misrepresent Taylor,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: so let's start here. Taylor, what were your comments— on
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams as it pertains to last night's game.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Field, my take was that Caleb out-dueled Drake May. But
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: the only reason we're not spending this morning killing Caleb
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Williams for the decision taking the third down sack is
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: because Cairo Santos bailed him out with that career-long field goal.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know that I felt like one
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: of them definitively played better than the other. Drake had
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: the worst error of the night, which was the interception
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: in the end zone. Yeah. Caleb had the second worst
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: error of the night, which was taking the sack on
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: that third down play that you just referenced. Yes. But
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I thought last night, I mean, this, maybe this is
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: just trying to be a little bit too Pollyannish of
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: a view, but my takeaway rewatching or thinking about last
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: night's game, I should say is that, did we just
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: watch the two best young quarterbacks in the NFL square
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: off and the If you were building a franchise for
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the next 10 years, would Caleb Williams and Drake May
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: in some order go one and two?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: You tell us, would they? Because I would take Caleb
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Williams right now.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's close. I think it's a good debate
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: either way. I think that Caleb Williams within the Ben
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Johnson structure is hard to argue against. I think Drake
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: May within the structure with Josh McDaniels is pretty hard
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: to argue against as well. I think if you put
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: these two teams in court, they would probably make the
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: case for their own guy. Which, you know, I don't know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: This is not a very 2026 sports media way to
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: go about this. My opinion is that we can waste
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: plenty of energy on debating whether Caleb Williams is better
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: than Drake May or Drake May is better than Caleb Williams.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: The bottom line is that if you're asking me who
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: are the best quarterbacks under the age of 25, those
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: guys are the clear one, two to me. Other players
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: can enter the mix, but those are the two best
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: under 25. And that's a pretty damn high bar to clear.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: So both of these guys are good enough. Their team
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: should be in contention for as long as they're healthy.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Ben Johnson. So you led us right to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the fight that we had earlier, right before you came on.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Who deserves more credit? Does Ben Johnson deserve the credit
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: for Caleb Williams being so good? Or does Caleb Williams
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: deserve the credit for Ben Johnson being such a great coach?
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: This is such, this is like, this is flashbacks to
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: my childhood.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: This is, sports radio, my man. This is what it is.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: This is what it is. I grew up in Boston
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: and you know, of course the Patriots and all their success.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, I remember all the Super
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Bowls the Patriots won, but I remember the first one,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady threw two touchdown passes during the entire playoff run.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick architected the greatest defensive game plan that we
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: had ever seen in the Super Bowl. And for a while,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: it was Bill Belichick dragged Tom Brady down. to a
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl, and he obviously became an amazing story, right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: But different era, we didn't see quite as crazy of
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: past numbers, but Tom Brady was throwing for like, you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: 3,000 yards a year as the Patriots were dominating early
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: on in the first couple years of that 20-year dynasty.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: And then by the end of it, it was people
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: that were like, you know, Bill Belichick without Tom Brady
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: would be Jeff Fisher with better PR, right? It's like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: you know, come on now. Like, let's just, let's be
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: a little bit more level-headed about these things. I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Caleb has an immense amount of talent. I also think
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: that the first season of his career showed that Caleb
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: has talent that needs to be harnessed and that he
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: had some habits early in his career that were a
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: little bit too loose. And Ben Johnson, what's to me
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: most remarkable about Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams' relationship is
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: that we've gotten to the point where not only is
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Caleb playing the way that Ben wants him to play,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Caleb sounds like Ben Johnson when he speaks. It's like
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: he is Ben Johnson's extension, just, you know, whatever, 15
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: or 17 years younger than Ben Johnson in quarterback form,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: which I think is cool. I mean, it's probably always
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: hard to argue against the quarterback in terms of which
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: one matters the most because we see how wretched teams
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: become when they are without their quarterback. But I do
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: think these guys just, it's Caleb at this level, Caleb
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: doesn't get to this level without Ben, and Ben doesn't
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: look as brilliant of a head coach as he currently
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: looks without Caleb. And we saw that to a degree
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: during that last Tyson-Bajan start where things fell apart sort
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of spectacularly against the Packers.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So that's my point. I guess he can't just make
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: any quarterback as good as Caleb Williams is. There's physical
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: talent that he had before he got.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: To the NFL.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I believe Caleb Williams on just about any team in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the NFL would just about any coach would eventually figure
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. He'd probably get there in time. Ben definitely, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: he accelerated the process. I think it's also fair to
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: say that if you gave, if I had to ask
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: you to win a game with Tyson Bajent and you
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: had a month to prepare for the game, how many
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: coaches would you rather have than Ben Johnson to work
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: with Tyson Bajent for that month? And I think the
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: answer is one. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan, right? So it's like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: you know, we're kind of acknowledging in different ways that
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: both of these guys are elite in their own category.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Ben Johnson, of course. Was Ben a walk-on at North
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Carolina or just a backup quarterback.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: At North Carolina?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: He was a walk-on from Asheville.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so was Taylor.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: They have, yeah, their kindred spirits, and Taylor said he
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was going to get them on, and we're still waiting.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Has he offered you a job on the staff yet?
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: No.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: He'd kill for like a clock management spot or something.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Hey, clock management jobs are all the rage right now
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. You know what I'm saying? Not to
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: pivot us away from the Caleb and Ben and last
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: night's game part of it, but you know what I
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: think I've realized about the clock management stuff? It's so
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: ripe for analysis and conversation because maybe Taylor notwithstanding– the
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: rest of us on this podcast couldn't like break down
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: the vulnerabilities of cover six, you know, against the Rams offense. Right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Like we, we don't know. We don't have that in
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: our bag.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: But all of us have it in our bag to know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: All right. Like, you know, if at the end of
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: the game, it's third down and you know, or whatever,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: second down and you got 28 seconds left and you
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: want to run the clock to about four seconds that
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: if you're going to throw the football, then you, that's fine,
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: but it's got to go out of bounds. If you're
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: going to run the ball, you better be prepared to
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: take a knee. Clock management is relatively rudimentary for all
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: of us to understand, which is one of the reasons
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: why every coach doesn't have a person affixed to their
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: hip in these high leverage moments saying like, here's what
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: has to happen next and right now. And candidly, from
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: a quarterback's perspective, I mean, not saying that Jaden Daniels
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: is fully responsible, but like you're his awareness during that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: play and the fourth down play this past Monday night,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: where on fourth and three, he's running to the sidelines
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: and just throw the football out of bounds. Like, I
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: don't care what level it is. That's unacceptable for a quarterback.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: So some of these like obvious black and white decision-making
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: aspects of football blows my mind that NFL teams and
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: occasionally NFL players haven't mastered them. Hmm.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: I don't think we're ever going to get to an
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: actual answer on Ben Johnson versus Caleb Williams.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: So for now, I'll let you off the hook.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I think if you had to pick one, Caleb.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, of course. You would pick the player, I think.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pick a player.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Sure. One's on the field, one's not.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: One's going to make $ 65 million starting next year, right?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Or whatever it is.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: And the other one's going to– I'm sure Ben's making
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: crazy money, 15, 17. I don't know what the number is,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: but somewhere in that 15 million range. Caleb, assuming a
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: new deal is done next offseason, will be at 60, 65,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: $ 70 million. So that probably answers the question pretty straightforwardly
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I'd pay $ 65 million for Ben Johnson to be my
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: head coach.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Before I paid $ 65 million for Caleb Williams.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Mikey, you're out of your mind.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: If the Jets, Mike, if you're going to spend $ 65,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: $ 70 million field, he's a Jet fan. He's been waiting
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for a quarterback like this his entire life.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: You're warped.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: You're warped.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about, Mikey?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You're saying he'd make Geno Smith this good?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, I believe he could.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Okay. He chose Caleb Williams. Okay.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Moving on, because again, we are not going to find
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: middle ground here. Field released a mini-mock this week, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: I just, my question for Field is this. If I
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: would have told you four months ago that the first
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: quarterback name you were going to write down was Drew Mestemaker,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: you would have told me what?
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Well, this is a rare thing that I'm going to
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: do right now, because I can promise you I've got
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: a whole, I got a dictionary worth of an encyclopedia
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: worth of bad takes. Uh, but your best to maker
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: was my guy coming into the season. Uh, there, there's,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: there actually, there actually are receipts on this one. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: love drew mess to makers upside here. Now we have
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a long ways to go. I don't think this race
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: is over by any stretch. Um, And part of Drew
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Messermaker going two overall in my mock draft is Drew's
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: performance this season. He's got five straight games going into
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: their game tomorrow with 300-plus passing yards and two-plus passing touchdowns.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: It also is a little bit of the anti-case against
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: some of the guys that came into this year with
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: big expectations. Arch Manning, the most notable player in that category.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Dante Moore from Oregon also in that category as well.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: But Messermaker is super intriguing. He has.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Height, weight, dimensions that are basically Drake May coming out
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: of North Carolina to give you some perspective on his size.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: That's good size, obviously. And there are some things he
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: does that, I don't know, to sound a little bit oversimplified.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: are just uncoachable. He had a throw last week against
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Houston that a lot of people drew a parallel to
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: the Zach Wilson pro day throw. Remember when Zach Wilson
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: kind of pirouettes and launches the ball 50 yards down
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: the field? Yeah, like Mestermaker did that in a game
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: against the 16th ranked team in the country for a
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: 54-yard gain. So there's a lot of good on Drew
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Mestermaker on his tape this past year. But it is...
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: If he does go as high as I think he
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: has a chance to go, it's the most unlikely story
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: of a highly drafted quarterback that we'll ever see. Wow.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: He didn't start for his high school team.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: His high school senior year, he's a punter and a safety.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: The guy ahead of him goes, he started at Louisville,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and he's now transferred since. But it's like, this is as.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Hollywood, as you could possibly imagine, and maybe even beyond that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: It's an unbelievable story for a guy who I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: has an actual chance to be the first overall pick
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: in the draft.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Field, in your mock, you have the Tennessee Titans picking
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Leonard Moore, the cornerback from Notre Dame. And you mentioned
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: in the write-up that you were between Moore and probably
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Colin Simmons from Texas. Is there a world where Tennessee
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: picks a quarterback and they move on from Cam Ward?
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Hmm.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: This is the NFL, so the answer is absolutely there is, Taylor.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: But I've tried to tell myself that it's not going
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: to happen because I've tried to convince myself that NFL
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: teams are getting a little bit wiser and more patient
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: on these quarterbacks because there are so many good examples
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: recently of second act or third act quarterbacks who were
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: at one point high draft picks, at one point were
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: acknowledged as big time talents, that teams just gave up
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: on too quickly. Sam Darnold is not playing great right now,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: but Sam Darnold last year helped Seattle in the Super
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Bowl and plays awesome. Geno Smith, prior to Sam Darnold
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: in Seattle, played great. And Geno was playing fine this year.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Not perfect, but much better than where he was last
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: year in Las Vegas. So Geno and Sam Darnold, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: we saw this to a degree with Mac Jones when
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: he got his opportunity to start for the Niners last year,
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: and you kind of go on and on with that list.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: There are plenty of guys that were written off and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: have come back and made themselves pretty decent players in
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: the NFL. So Tennessee, I believe needs to be patient. Um,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: They have no choice, in my opinion, on Cam Ward.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: You just can't yank the cord on a guy who
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: you took first overall a year and a half ago.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: You need to sort of, we all need to acknowledge
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: that trajectory is like Patrick Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, CJ Stroud
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: in their first years as starters. are completely the anomaly
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: and not the expectation. And there have been other quarterbacks
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: that have looked really good out of the gates and
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: then fallen back down to earth, right? Bo Nix, if
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: we had, and we'll see where Bo ends up and
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: maybe part of the reason why he's struggling is his
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: schedule so far this season. But if after a year,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: if the Broncos have been holding on to some, you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: valuable backup quarterback and we're trading him because Bo is
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: so clearly the guy long-term and We'd be sitting there
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: now being like, really, should they have done that? So
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not ready to write off Cam Ward. I am
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: not yet allowing myself to enter that territory for Tennessee.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I also know the pressures of how this all works,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: that if you're sitting there at number four and the
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: quarterback class, or three, excuse me, lives up more to
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: expectations for the rest of this season, then hell yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: we're going to have that debate. Should they take a
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Drew Mestemaker or a CJ Carr or a Darian Mensah
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: or whoever it might be that ends up at the
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: top of the quarterback heap?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Baker would be a good example of what you're talking about, right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Baker. Great example. Yep.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts here on arch? Like how far
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: is he? Well, arch, if arch comes out, will he
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: be a first round pick?
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: No.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, certainly, you know, State of the obvious. If
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: he way turns around, then yes. Let's just sort of
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: go through recent events. One is we got reporting from
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Pete Thamel over here at ESPN that Texas is giving
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: more reps, first-team reps, to their redshirt freshman quarterback. That's
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: telling you they've planted the seed. They're eventually going to
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: have to bench Arch if this keeps up. The thing
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: about Arch that makes it such a confusing evaluation to
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: me is– If you were to go through some of
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: the physical traits that you need from a quarterback, it
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: would just be check, check, check, check, check for Arch, right?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: The size is great. You know, the mobility is excellent.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Arm strength. And if you went and watched like his
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: best throws, you'd say to yourself, holy crap, like this
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: guy's got it, right? The and one mixtape of Arch
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Manning would be incredible. He's really struggled in big games.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Really just has not met the moment. I would say
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: probably his best game against a good team probably the
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Michigan bowl game last year.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: As you guys know, bowl games with the non-playoff games,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: like those are just basically, it's like getting the junior
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: varsity team ready before the next season actually begins. Michigan
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: got Michigan guys were opting out or were not available
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: for a ton of guys weren't available. So you go
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: to arch this year and you, They end up winning
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: that Ohio State game. They have two rushing touchdowns in
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. And what I would challenge whoever is
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: in the draft room that is right now, based off
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: what we know, saying, we need to take Arch Manning high,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: is I would say, I don't want you to tell
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: me about the traits. I want you to point me
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: to the moments where you can say, I told you so.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Here is how Arch proved it. And I don't really
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: think he has any of those. We talked about Drake
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: and Caleb and those guys having maybe the crowns, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: co-crowns of best young quarterback in the NFL. I didn't
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: mention Jaden Daniels in that conversation. He's at least on
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the periphery. But go back to Jaden's final season at LSU.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: And that team wasn't the same level of team that
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow had in 2019. But he helped them win
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of games. And you can just go back
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: to I mean, any number of games for Jaden Daniels
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: where you're like, yep, and a game they shouldn't have
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: won against Missouri, who had an awesome defense at Mizzou,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: tough place to play. Jaden was just, I'm the best
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: player on the field, and I'm going to put my
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: entire team on my back. Don't really have that with Arch.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: It's hard to find a game, a moment, a string
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: of games, a string of plays where you're like, this
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: is exactly what it looks like to be a high-level
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: pro quarterback. So I think he's a day-two pick overall.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: as of what we have seen so far. And my
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: confidence in him turning that around definitely shrinks by the day.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: I think there's a real chance he's playing in college
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: football next year, but not at Texas.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Well, the problem is going to be when you ask
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: people to point to those moments, they're going to point
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: to eli winning the super bowl and peyton winning the
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: super bowl and arch manning's highlights and go that's why
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: yeah yeah i.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Mean you know but the apple the apple can fall far.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: It can right right yes.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: And he'll get he'll get a boost and i think
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: i think the manning dynamic goes a little bit of
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: both ways for arch on the one hand it's helped
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: them right like i think there are going to be
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: people that i remember when um and sorry sorry mikey
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: on this one but I remember when Adam Gase was
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: getting some love as a head coaching candidate in the
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: NFL and it was, I mean, Peyton Manning loves this guy, right?
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Peyton thinks that Adam Gase is one of the smartest
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: offensive minds he's been around, right? That cologne is, is,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: is valuable, right? There are people that are going to say, yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, Arch Manning, he's wired like a Manning, which
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I have heard. I remember, I'll never forget a scout
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: was telling me this. He went to go see, um,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Texas practice. And this was when Quinn Ewers was still there.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: And I was asking, how's it looking? And he goes, yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: you know, they're not there yet on arch. It's still
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: going to be Quinn's team. He goes, but let me
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: tell you what, watching arch practice was incredibly impressive. What
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: he was doing on a play in play out basis,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: the way that he was staying locked in, like it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: very clear just how much football means to him. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: I sort of stored that one away. So I know
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: that Arch is wired the right way. The problem is
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: just being wired the right way doesn't equate to wins
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: on the field. And we have seen a lot of quarterbacks.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: There's a very notable case of this right now in
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Brock Purdy that don't have the off-the-charts physical traits, but
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: have the processing and the mental aptitude to be a really,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: really good quarterback in the NFL. There's not as many
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: examples of quarterbacks who've got all the physical traits but
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: aren't processing, aren't seeing the game well, are turning the
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: football over too much, and are successful over a prolonged
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: period of time. And he can make me look dumb
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: with just one performance on Saturday night. But so far,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Arch is playing like a guy who's got all the
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: physical traits but is not seeing the field well whatsoever
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: this year.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Field, if the Eagles lose to the Cowboys on Monday
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Night Football and the Eagles fall to 2-5, how do
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you think that changes their plans ahead of the trade deadline?
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And who could the Eagles shop at the deadline?
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: The Eagles, you know, it's interesting. One thing I've always
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: respected about teams in sports is when they can properly self-scout.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I think it's good to know where you are in
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: your franchise's trajectory. If you are going for it all,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: then you should be exhausting every resource, turning over every
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: stone to see what's available. If you're at the bottom,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: you know, I'd argue, I think what the Dolphins have
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: done this year, I know it sucks. I'm sure there
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: are people around Stugatz that are sick of this team getting,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: you know, smoked and have so many talent holes. I'd
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: rather take it all on the chin in one year
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: or two years and start to build this thing back
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: up the right way. Being in the middle can be
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: a really dangerous spot. Philly, because of the division they
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: play in, can legitimately say, even if we lose on Monday,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: we're still in the mix. But I also think it's
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: very logical that if they lose and they go down
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: to two and four, would that be?
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: No, no, I'm sorry. Two and five, I think.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Two and five.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: The Eagles at two and five would probably have to say,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: all right, who is not a building block for us
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: going forward? Could have got like Dallas Goddard, who it
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: seemed like at one point this offseason, almost move off
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: from moved off from Tariq will in the corner who, uh,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: they signed to a one-year deal, like guys who aren't
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: guarantees to be a part of the next great Eagles franchise,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I think would come up, um, under the microscope. And
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: then they'd have to make a decision on guys where the, they,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: they want to keep the player, but the price might
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: become just too good. Like Saquon Barkley is the most
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: notable lobby, uh, example there. Saquon has not been worth
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: the contract this year. Um, But someone else may view
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: him as the icing on the cake to their Super
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Bowl push. And would Philadelphia want to trade away a
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: player who, if you keep him, even while acknowledging how
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: he hasn't been great this year, let's take on Barkley.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: He can come back next year and rush for 1,500
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: yards if they get the offensive line figured out. So
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: they feel like the team that can thread the needle
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: about as much as any of the we thought they
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: were contenders coming into the year club.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Field, what was your evaluation of J.J. McCarthy headed into
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: his draft?
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I liked J.J. McCarthy. I think he finished as like
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: the 18th player overall on my board. The part about J.J.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: that was most complicated was a little bit of what
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: we talked about with Arch Manning.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Similar in this regard is J.J. didn't have a bunch
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: of moments during his final season in Michigan. He had
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: a couple. He was good against Alabama in their playoff game.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: But the difference between JJ and Arch was Arch not
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: meeting the moment has been costly to Texas winning the game, right?
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Like Florida and Oklahoma, he doesn't meet those moments, especially Oklahoma,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: and they end up losing those games. So it's like J.J.,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: him not having as many moments was more a byproduct of, well,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: they're just so good on defense, and they ran their
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Blake Cormack 22 rushing touchdowns that final season when Michigan
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: won the national championship, that Maybe JJ didn't have moments,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: but he also didn't have moments where he wilted. So
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: it's not a perfect defense of JJ or Arch in
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: that sense, but JJ became a trickier evaluation than some
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: of the other quarterbacks in that class. The other part
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: about quarterback evaluation, this does work, I think, in Arch's favor.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: It's no mystery, and you guys all know this. Once
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: the college football season is over, no position has a
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: better chance of to win the pre-draft process than quarterback.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: These guys can go into a room and wow people over.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: And I think there's a little bit of coaches in
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: the NFL feeling like, not all, but some of these
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: colleges in the NFL They're not coaching kids. They're just
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: collecting talent.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: So you see a quarterback who's been kind of OK
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: or has been good, but not great. And you can
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: attribute it to like, who's really coaching this guy? You know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: like they just recruited them as a five star, paid
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: them enough money to come here. But they're not really
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: developing these guys because college coaches will tell you it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: hard to develop players when you're so busy every day.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: just re-recruiting the players already on your roster. So I
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: think coaches are innately wired to think they can bring
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: out the best version of a player. So JJ got
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: a real booster in the pre-draft process. A lot of
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: people just fell in love with the competitor that JJ is.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: And you guys know all the stories from when he
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: was at Michigan. He was the king of yoga in
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: the morning and finding that inner peace. But then he
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: threw the eye black on, he became nine, and he
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: was this maniac competitor, right? And now it's... kind of
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: chuckle worthy. But at the time when Michigan's winning a
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: national championship, it was kind of inspiring. So, um, I
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: liked JJ. I don't want to sit here and say
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: I had a third round grade on him, but that
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: year it was, you know, uh, Caleb, Jaden, Drake were
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: all top five players in the class for me. JJ
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: was like 18th. And then I had Bo Nix and
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Michael Penix Jr. At the top of the second round,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: you know, somewhere in the 35 to 38 range. So, um,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: We'll see. I think each of those bottom three guys
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: has a chance to prove they can be long-term starters,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: but I was less sold compared to those top three
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: guys who all felt pretty darn close to can't miss.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I asked the question because I'm wondering, did you believe
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in him enough?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in him enough where J.J.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: McCarthy, different scenery, different coach, now playing for the Giants,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: going to get a start this week, where maybe he
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: can become a Baker Mayfield type where The team that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: drafted him, the Vikings, gave up on him, and J.J.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: McCarthy turns out to be really good somewhere else.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I thought the move by the Giants
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: at the time was virtually zero risk. It's a fifth-round pick.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: He's under contract for this year and next. And for
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: like $ 4 million, or maybe it's six total. But the
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: bottom line is just go look around at backup quarterbacks
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: in the NFL and what they make these days, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: it's like.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: If all you're doing is getting a backup quarterback at
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: a discounted price for a fifth-round pick, that's fine by me.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: But the better version, the upside version, is you get
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: a guy who went 10th overall in the draft and
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: he plays closer to expectation there. I'm definitely a little skeptical.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Last week felt like the perfect set of circumstances for J.J.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: McCarthy to thrive. Playing the Saints up huge, so they're
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: playing defense differently. prevent defense. And then on top of that,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: there's no better time for a quarterback to come in
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: than down by three touchdowns. Because if JJ goes out
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: there and tries to rip a throw into a tight
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: window and it's picked off, it's not him who's going
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: to get the blame. It's Jameis was the quarterback when
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: we went down by 24 points. JJ was just trying
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: to make a play. So I'm definitely more skeptical of
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: what's going to happen this weekend against Houston. But the
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: roll of the dice by the Giants was a calculated
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: and I think very worthwhile one.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Focus. Check him out there. Check him out
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: on First Draft as well with Mel. Is Greeny still
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: doing it? He's too busy, too big time?
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Greeny's still doing it. I mean, Greeny is definitely a
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: busy man, but we recruit him here, and we're up
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: twice a week, so we're having a lot of fun.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: All right, the next time we have you on, I
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: would like to see that encyclopedia of bad takes and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: have you take us through it, okay?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I'm going to write a book on him one day.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I'll help you. I'll get the deal done.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I was in your book, wasn't I?
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, you are. Yes, you wrote my book. Yes, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: No big deal.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I'll send you a check at some point.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Thank you. I won't. Thank you, Phil. We appreciate it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Again, fantasy football focus.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Check him out there. First draft as well. He's all
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: over ESPN. We love you, buddy. We miss you. We
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: appreciate the time. Love you, guys.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Talk to you soon.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: All right, man.