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Set 2: Are They Any Good? · Stugotz and Company

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: God bless football, Mikey A.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: God bless football, Taylor.
• 0:17
  Speaker 3: God bless football and go Tigers.
• 0:20
  Speaker 4: Go Tigers. Taylor is back from Death Valley.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: He made the drive up to LSU to check out
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: that game. It was a fun game for LSU, not
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: for Dabo Swinney and not for Clemson. The NFL kicks
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: off in a couple of days as well.
• 0:35
  Speaker 4: So we are back, boys. Yes, Mikey.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: One little thing, all right? So Taylor reaches out to
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: me and goes, hey, Mike, can you help me out
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: with a tailgate for LSU? So I call in favors.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: I get him set up. This guy is like, hey,
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: we're very happy to host him. Can't wait to turn
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  Speaker 2: this guy into an LSU fan.
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: He didn't show up.
• 0:57
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:00
  Speaker 5: Well, what you'll notice at LSU, first off, it was
• 1:04
  Speaker 5: pouring rain on and off throughout the day. When it's
• 1:07
  Speaker 5: pouring rain, you don't really want to be bouncing around
• 1:09
  Speaker 5: tailgate to tailgate. And the other thing, the parade grounds
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  Speaker 5: at LSU, if you've seen one tailgate, you've seen them all.
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  Speaker 5: And everyone is very friendly, everyone. You just have to
• 1:20
  Speaker 5: go into a tailgate and say, hey, this is my
• 1:22
  Speaker 5: second time at Baton Rouge, the first time I went.
• 1:25
  Speaker 5: Brian Kelly absolutely ruined my experience so bad that I
• 1:29
  Speaker 5: had to put this trip back on my bucket list
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  Speaker 5: to do it the right way. And everybody's like, oh,
• 1:34
  Speaker 5: come on in. The gumbo's nice and warm for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really sink into it. I give them my class.
• 1:40
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, class of 04. In what school are
• 1:41
  Speaker 4: you class of 04?
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: In a place where people are very drunk and don't
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: know the difference.
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  Speaker 4: We did this at the Chiefs game.
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  Speaker 3: We just told everyone we were Chiefs fans.
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  Speaker 4: You were there with me.
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  Speaker 2: At Arrowhead Stadium.
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: And we got to every tailgate. Which tailgate did you
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: set Taylor up at? Was it like a Booger McFarlane?
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Was it like someone like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, if it was Booger McFarlane, I would have went.
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  Speaker 2: He could have been there. You wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 4: So he did set you up there. I see.
• 2:17
  Speaker 5: There is nothing like being in a college town because
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  Speaker 5: I texted T-Bob Hebert, who played at LSU, was a
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  Speaker 5: national champion at LSU. I said, hey, T-Bob, where are
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: the places that I should hit? He gave me a
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  Speaker 5: breakfast spot to go to, Louie's, I believe. When you
• 2:32
  Speaker 5: are in a college town, if I give you $ 100,
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  Speaker 5: you are living like an absolute king for the rest
• 2:38
  Speaker 5: of the day. Because I got to Louie's and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, let me get the hash browns that T-Bob recommended,
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  Speaker 5: the pancakes he recommended. Let me get a coffee, a
• 2:47
  Speaker 5: side of bacon, some eggs. And then they bring the
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  Speaker 5: bill over, and they're like, that'll be $ 22.
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  Speaker 4: I'm surprised it was that much. Seriously. That was your
• 3:00
  Speaker 4: first time to Death Valley?
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  Speaker 3: It was my second time.
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  Speaker 5: So the first time I went was 2024 LSU at Alabama,
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  Speaker 5: and Alabama beat them by about 50 points.
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  Speaker 3: It was a drubbing that day.
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  Speaker 4: They're good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The pick six that LSU had was, was the loudest
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  Speaker 5: I've ever heard a stadium. If it felt like it
• 3:21
  Speaker 5: was shaking, it felt like Clemson was going to make
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: it a bit of a game. Like you, you had
• 3:26
  Speaker 5: a little weird magic that that first possession where Leavitt
• 3:29
  Speaker 5: throws the interception, you're like, Oh wow, this could get
• 3:32
  Speaker 5: a little weird. But, but Saturday nights in death Valley,
• 3:36
  Speaker 5: you can't top that experience.
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  Speaker 4: So you go there and Lane Kiffin is running.
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  Speaker 1: Out of that tunnel and it's not Mississippi, it's LSU
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  Speaker 1: and you realize this is why he took the job.
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  Speaker 1: He's got three NFL players at every position and that's
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: his team without the NFL players who are going to
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  Speaker 1: join his team in the coming weeks.
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  Speaker 4: They're really good.
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  Speaker 1: The bigger story for me out of that game was
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  Speaker 1: not Lane Kiffin, was not LSU.
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  Speaker 4: I know they're going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good coach. He's great at collecting talent. He
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  Speaker 1: is great at developing quarterbacks. He's done it now with
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  Speaker 1: and he's done it with Jackson Dart, and he's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it here with Sam Leavitt. Even though Leavitt
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  Speaker 1: comes in pretty developed, he's going to make that guy better.
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  Speaker 1: The story for me is just how far Clemson has
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  Speaker 1: fallen at Dabo Sweeney.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if he makes it this season, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be surprised. You guys?
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  Speaker 3: I would be surprised.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's going to come to a point at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the season where Clemson has to be
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  Speaker 5: the one to say, Dabo, thank you for everything you've
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  Speaker 5: done for Clemson. Dabo Sweeney is... built Clemson into what
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  Speaker 5: they are today. Dabo Sweeney is going to get a
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  Speaker 5: statue outside of their stadium. Dabo Sweeney is not the
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  Speaker 5: right coach for Clemson anymore because of the standard that
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  Speaker 5: he's built and Dabo's reluctance to adjust to the times
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  Speaker 5: in college football where he just refuses to use the
• 4:52
  Speaker 5: transfer portal, he refuses to use NIL, and he's just
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  Speaker 5: doing the, oh, the only thing we care about here
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  Speaker 5: is God's name, image, and likeness.
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  Speaker 3: Dabo, win some games. Win some big games.
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  Speaker 5: We want to see you get back to that 2018
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  Speaker 5: National Championship standard that you've fallen off, you know, tremendously
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  Speaker 5: off of.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that Dabo's going to make the season
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  Speaker 2: just out of respect. Out of just the respect Clemson
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  Speaker 2: has for him and he has for the organization. But
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  Speaker 2: my question to you guys is, is that a good job?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's a good job, Mike, if you're
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: willing to play by today's rules. And I think Dabo
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  Speaker 1: is not playing by today. I think they have resources.
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  Speaker 1: I think people want to go to Clemson. I think
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  Speaker 1: people like the stadium. They like the facilities. Dabo is
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  Speaker 1: just unwilling to do what Lane Kiffin is doing at LSU.
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  Speaker 5: And for the most part, it's an unbelievably easy conference
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  Speaker 5: to compete in when you have Miami and then occasionally
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  Speaker 5: a Louisville or an SMU is going to pop up.
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  Speaker 5: Clemson should be there for the taking to getting them
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  Speaker 5: back to being a national powerhouse.
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  Speaker 2: Better job, Clemson or Florida State right now?
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  Speaker 4: They're both good jobs. Comparable, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're comparable, but I'm just saying, there's only so many
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  Speaker 2: coaches that are worth getting such a high-profile job that
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  Speaker 2: are available every year. If Clemson and Florida State are
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  Speaker 2: both available, and we tend to believe that they are,
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  Speaker 2: which job is better? Which job would you want?
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  Speaker 5: I think it would be Florida State just because Florida
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  Speaker 5: State is further removed from being a national title contender
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  Speaker 5: to where you have a fan base that's more starved
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  Speaker 5: for trying to get back there. And then you're in Florida,
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  Speaker 5: which should theoretically be easier to recruit people to. But
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  Speaker 5: I do think you're splitting hairs when you're choosing between
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  Speaker 5: Clemson and Florida State.
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  Speaker 4: Same.
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  Speaker 1: I just think with Dabo, the days of Dabo replacing
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  Speaker 1: someone at Texas or being the next Alabama, those days
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  Speaker 1: are over. Dabo's not good enough. Who's going to want
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  Speaker 1: that guy to be their coach, right? I mean, he's
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: going to have to go to rehab. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: have to go to FIU, FAU, and try to make
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: his way back to one of those bigger programs. There's
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  Speaker 1: not a big program in America that's going to hire
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  Speaker 1: Dabo today.
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  Speaker 4: Not one. Not one.
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  Speaker 5: It's strange because it seems like something that Dabo could
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  Speaker 5: very easily fix. Like we're going to go into the
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  Speaker 5: transfer portal. We're going to bring in some of the
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  Speaker 5: top players, but he is so like fist down on
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  Speaker 5: the table being like, I'm going to do it my way.
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  Speaker 5: We are going to recruit people through high school. This
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  Speaker 5: is the right way to build a program where it's like, Debo,
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  Speaker 5: if you're not, if you're not competing for national championships,
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  Speaker 5: like your way is obviously not working.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Miami has a new quarterback every year.
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  Speaker 2: You're not even competing for ACC championships.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Louisville just takes Ohio state's backup. Who's not
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  Speaker 1: good enough to play in front of Julian saying, and
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  Speaker 1: Louisville is good.
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  Speaker 3: They got a quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: I will say this, Mikey, I do agree with you
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  Speaker 5: that Clemson would let Dabo finish out the year, but
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden that week three game against North
• 8:00
  Speaker 5: Carolina in, in what Clemson calls death Valley. That that's,
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  Speaker 5: That's a whole other point.
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  Speaker 4: The Battle of Death Valley is done. LSU owns Death Valley.
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  Speaker 5: Week three, North Carolina at Clemson. I've got that one
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  Speaker 5: circled now as a toss-up game for North Carolina. Bill
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  Speaker 5: Belichick could beat Dabo Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: All bets are off.
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  Speaker 1: The rare game where you have the better coach.
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  Speaker 2: Loser leaves town?
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  Speaker 3: Might have a better roster, too.
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  Speaker 4: Belichick is playing the game. Better than Dabo, at least.
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  Speaker 4: It's not saying much. Let's get to a game.
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  Speaker 1: First off, Taylor, before we get to this game, Mikey's
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  Speaker 1: going to ask us whether or not we think teams
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: are good. If our opinion has been changed or not,
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  Speaker 1: based on what we saw over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: They were good games.
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  Speaker 1: They were thrilling games. But some of these better teams
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  Speaker 1: didn't play great opponents.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll do that in just a second.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor, you had a bad take that you'd like to
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  Speaker 1: take back? What is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is just me being accountable because I
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: know some people praise me for saying, oh, wow, Taylor,
• 9:04
  Speaker 5: your takes are always right. Taylor, they're calling you the
• 9:07
  Speaker 5: tail oracle with how well you see the future.
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  Speaker 3: The tail oracle? I'm trying to get that off the ground.
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  Speaker 4: You're trying to get it off the ground.
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  Speaker 1: People aren't getting it off the ground for you.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Taylor. Sounds like a great idea
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  Speaker 2: for a segment.
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  Speaker 3: Tell Oracle.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a Thursday night betting segment going into Thursday night football,
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  Speaker 2: working way up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm proud of him. He has people saying
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: something that they're not saying. I mean, just in an
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: effort to build it up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if I say it, people are saying it. But
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: the take that I got so wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Person is saying it.
• 9:41
  Speaker 5: So last year when I said Fernando Mendoza was going
• 9:43
  Speaker 5: to be like the breakout starring in college football, he
• 9:46
  Speaker 5: wins the Heisman. He's the number one pick in the
• 9:48
  Speaker 5: NFL draft. I try to try to replicate that this year.
• 9:52
  Speaker 5: And I went to Oklahoma state and drew Mestemaker. And
• 9:56
  Speaker 5: I said, Morris is coming over from North Texas. He's
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: bringing a lot of his guys over. It's similar to
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: the way Cignetti did it from James Madison to Indiana.
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: I think you could see a bump like that for
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State's a 15 and a half point
• 10:10
  Speaker 5: favorite on the road at Tulsa. And The final score
• 10:16
  Speaker 5: is not indicative of how uncompetitive Oklahoma State was in
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  Speaker 5: that game with somebody like Drew Mestemaker. Tulsa dragged them.
• 10:24
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State was two of six on fourth down. They
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: didn't look like they belonged on the same field as Tulsa,
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: and Tulsa wins back-to-back years against a, I guess, an
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: in-state rival now. If you're Oklahoma State and you can't
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: beat Tulsa, this is, again, the Rutgers-UMass situation where I
• 10:41
  Speaker 5: think a team like Oklahoma State should have to hand
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: over their spot in the big 12 to a team
• 10:45
  Speaker 5: like Tulsa.
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: So you're taking the take back. That's it. You've seen
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: enough of a messy taker, whatever his name is.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen enough of Oklahoma state.
• 10:56
  Speaker 5: It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong,
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: but you, you have to be willing to get off
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: the take as fast as possible. And this is me
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: seeing the Titanic going down and the band is playing.
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: And I'm saying, I'm getting on this. I'm getting on
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  Speaker 5: the life raft and we're getting back to shore.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, this take is not going to repair itself,
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: meaning three or four weeks from.
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  Speaker 4: Now, you might be right about this. You've heard he
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: settled it in your own mind.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: It is going down like the Titanic. Titanic is what
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: I tried to say.
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  Speaker 5: I saw how that offensive line went head to head
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: against Tulsa's defensive line. And once they get to Big
• 11:33
  Speaker 5: 12 play.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: This Oklahoma State team is in trouble. And they play
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: Oregon this week.
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: All right.
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• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Let's play a round of Is This Team Good? Mikey's
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: going to ask us about some of the bigger programs here,
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  Speaker 1: and Taylor and I are going to tell you if
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: the team is good. I don't really know who's good
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  Speaker 1: after this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's more did your opinion of this team change,
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: not are they good. So we'll start here.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: LSU. LSU.
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  Speaker 2: Came in, this was a 10-point game. Stu, I believe
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  Speaker 2: you took Clemson or.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: The Bear took Clemson.
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: I took Clemson. I was 4-2, though, on the week, though.
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: I'd like to take some credit.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to set you up there. But
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: everybody was on Clemson plus 10. Well, they lose by 41. LSU,
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: has your opinion of this team changed after one week?
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  Speaker 1: I thought LSU was going to be good. LSU was very,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: very good. Like, listen, if you're asking me, did it change?
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  Speaker 1: I think they're better than I thought they were going
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  Speaker 1: to be, but I thought they were going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: They're just overwhelming. I mean, they're not just good. They're
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: really good and have a chance, of course, of winning
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: a national championship.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's the takeaway after watching the LSU game,
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: that LSU should be in the national title conversation where
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: you're looking at their odds to win the title. They're
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: plus 1,500 consistently. They're behind Oregon. They're behind Indiana. They're
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: behind Miami. I think LSU's performance on Saturday night proved that,
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: at the very least, they should be lumped into that
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: Indiana-Oregon bunch of teams that have less than 1,000, plus
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: 1,000 odds to win a national title because Sam Levitt
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: didn't really blow anybody away in terms of his ability
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: to pass the ball. And I think if LSU has
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: a downfall, it's going to be their ability to throw
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: the ball downfield. But what Lane Kiffin does as a
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: play caller is second to none right now in the country.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep. And they have NFL players coming.
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  Speaker 3: I love Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 5: The way Lane Kiffin just swaggers up and down the sideline,
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: it's a sight to behold.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: It's amazing, yes. And the swagger, it works when he's
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: winning the.
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  Speaker 1: Way he won on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 4: That first interception of the game, I was making fun
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: of Lane Kiffin. And Sam Leavitt. They had the last laugh. Anyway,
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: next team.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Hold on. So the guy that I was setting Taylor
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: up for the tailgate, I texted him. I said, how
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: are you guys feeling about Lane? And he goes, perfect
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: man for our crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? I think he's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. I think he's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. That's why he wanted that job. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Next team up.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Alabama putting a drubbing on East Carolina 48-10. Has your
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: opinion of Alabama changed? Because we were kind of down
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: on them a little bit.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: My opinion of their quarterback has changed. I didn't know
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: who the quarterback was. I didn't know if they had
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. I watched a little bit of that game.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: That quarterback is really, really good. But again, it was
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: against Eastern Carolina. So I guess my opinion changed only
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: from the standpoint that quarterback appears to be pretty good.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: And if he's that good against good teams, they're going
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to be pretty good.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: I think Alabama.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: So my opinion, I'm keeping it the same where I'm
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: going in with a lot of trepidations with this Alabama
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: team because I want to see them against better competition
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: like Stu just mentioned. I think this is going to
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: be a good test for them this week playing Kentucky,
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: who Kentucky Kenny Minchey transfers in, and he looked really
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: good against Youngstown State. So I'm going to go the
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: jury's still out, Mikey, on this Alabama team because I'm
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: not ready to come to any. observations or conclusions after
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: beating ECU.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Mikey, is that one of the options? I mean, I
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Has your opinion changed?
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: No.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: It hasn't changed.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Jerry's still out. Okay. All right. I'm just saying the
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: quarterback is better than we expected. That's all.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Or at least he looked like he was pretty damn
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: good through one week. But again, it's the East Carolina Pirates.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, did I get the nickname right? Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: They were profiling their court.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: This is why you can't take anything out of this
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Alabama game. They were profiling this quarterback, and they were like,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: this is where he started. And then he took off
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: three years to work in construction, and you're like, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: now he's playing in Bryant-Denny Stadium?
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Is it Keylon Russell?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Alabama's five-star.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's good.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Alright, next two are teams with higher expectations that managed
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to win this week, but maybe not as convincing as
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: we thought. We'll start with Oregon going back to Saturday.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: They're in a dog fight with Boise State at home
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and they end up winning 34-27 late. Has your opinion
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: of Oregon changed after one week?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: My opinion of Boise State has changed after one week.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That team looked pretty good. I mean, they hung with Oregon.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Has my opinion of Oregon changed?
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: I still think just with that quarterback and It's Oregon.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: They have athletes. They're going to be in the mix.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: They're going to be a national championship title contender.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And they deserve to be.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: They're a good team. Again, I thought Boise State was
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the team that impressed me. I think Oregon just played
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Boise State played a lot better than I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: think most people expected.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: But I think Oregon's good. And no, my opinion hasn't changed.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: So where my opinion has changed with Oregon, I love
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: their skill players. McLennan, Moore, Evan Stewart at receiver, Dante
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Moore at quarterback, obviously. I'm not sure if I really
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: trust Dan Lanning. Dan Lanning feels like the Michael Jordan
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: of like James Franklin's where it's like, I really need
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: to see this guy start winning big games and having
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: his team ready to play before I'm buying the hype
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: that all of a sudden Oregon for as good a
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: history as they have within the past, like 25 years
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: in college football, They still haven't won a national championship,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: and I really haven't seen anything from Dan Lanning to
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: think he's going to be the one that gets this
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: program over the hump.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I would just say that Boise State isn't the big
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: game you should measure it. This is more of like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the Michael Jordans and Mario Cristobals where you lose to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Louisville and SMU and you beat Ohio State. That's more
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the Dan Lanning avenue right now.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: They're at USC in three weeks. Next week, Dale, you
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: know where they're at?
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Where's that?
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Your boy, Mess Taker.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oklahoma State.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: If they don't beat that team by 55, then my
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: opinion is going to go, this Oregon team might not
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: even make the playoffs. Because that Oklahoma State team, I
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: was offended watching how bad that Oklahoma State team was.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Going back to Oregon, I agree with you. I trust
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: their quarterback.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I trust.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: trust their wide receivers, their skill positions. I thought their
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: lines were just going to overwhelm Boise State, and they didn't.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I was looking forward to watching their defensive line just
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: absolutely manhandle Boise State, and they couldn't. I mean, they
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: got some big sacks when it mattered, but for the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: most part, Boise State was able to do what they wanted.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: To do Their defense in their secondary leaves a lot
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: to be desired. When they have to go to Ohio
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: State and have to be matched up with that receiving
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: group and Jeremiah Smith, that's going to be a pretty
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: big game for Oregon determining if this team is actually
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: a national title contender.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: We are talking about a coach here who's 49-8 since
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: he took over at Oregon.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying. He's got three losses the last two years.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: And most of them are to the teams that won
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the national championship.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: How far did they get in the playoffs last year?
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: How far did that team advance? Do you remember? I
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: think they won a couple of games, right?
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, they lost to Indiana in the semis.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: In the semifinals. Okay. No shame. I can't believe I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: saying this. There's no shame.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: It used to bring maximum shame.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: And now there's no shame.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Oh God.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Lost by 34.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's true. Yes, they got blown out by
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Kurt Cignetti. All right, who's next, Mikey?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Next up, Michigan, number 16, hosting Western Michigan. And in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the most controversial of endings, they win on a Hail
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Mary 13-12. Has your opinion of Michigan changed?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't think Michigan was that good coming into the season, so...
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: If you're asking me, can Michigan win? Can they make
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the playoff?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Yes. Can they win the national championship?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: No.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: That game was so ridiculous.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like Mikey, were you aware that we're looking at a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: different clock than the officials are looking at?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I had no idea.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I thought, I thought one of the things the officials
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: say at the beginning of every game is the clock
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: is right. Like that is what you're supposed to be
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: looking at. And they're like, no, no, no. There's this
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: secret clock somewhere. That had one more second on it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: But I will say that the whole controversy of the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: refs gave the game to Michigan.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: No one wants to give anything to Michigan, okay?
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, seriously.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It was a 50-yard Hail Mary.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Listen, think about what's happened at Michigan over the last
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: three or four seasons. There's Jim Harbaugh who won a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: national championship. That's going to be retracted at some point, okay?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: There's the Connor Stallions incident. There's Jerome Moore in a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: straight jacket after the season last year. No one is saying, hey,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know what? We need to help out Michigan. Certainly
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: not the referees. They don't get together saying, hey, let's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: give them one more play. And the one more play
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they gave them was a heave from 55 yards.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: So they put the ball to one.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: So my opinion of Michigan has changed just because I
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: think The rebuild that Kyle Whittingham has in Ann Arbor
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: is going to be a lot more difficult than I
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: think people probably originally expected, where Bryce Underwood, give him
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: credit for completing that second attempt at the Hail Mary,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: and he was strutting around after that. The Michigan fans
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: are storming the field for beating Western Michigan.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: They shouldn't be doing that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Bryce Underwood, if that game was 48 minutes, Bryce Underwood
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: was terrible for 47 minutes and 50 seconds.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: 59 seconds.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Taylor, I'm so proud of you. Michigan and their fan
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: base should be celebrating nothing. Dude, that wasn't a victory.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Don't celebrate anything. You know what?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: When you win a game like that, all right, be quiet.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Walk out of the stadium like you just robbed.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: The bank because that's what you did.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Don't celebrate robbing the bank. Just rob the bank and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: get the hell out of Dodge.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: My opinion of Michigan has absolutely changed. That's a game
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: where you go, if nothing else, Michigan's defense and offensive
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: line should absolutely just steamroll everybody, and they're going to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: just win this game. It'll be ugly.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: It'll be boring.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: But they're going to beat Western Michigan because they're just
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: going to overwhelm them. They couldn't even do that. They
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: were manhandled by Western Michigan, and just say that out loud.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Manhandled by Western Michigan.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: If there are football gods this week, Oklahoma versus Michigan,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma is going to absolutely destroy this Michigan team. So
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Michigan gets this loss. Stu, I'm watching Bryce Underwood and
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: his NIL reported deal is like $ 12 million.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: If you gave me $ 12.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Million and I lit it on fire, That would be
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: put to better use than paying Bryce Underwood to play
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: quarterback at your program in the year 2026.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He is terrible.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He can't stand Bryce Underwood.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: He's terrible. 12 of 22 for 170 yards, again, against
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Western Michigan.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Right, and strutting around like he had a Heisman moment
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: or something. What is he doing?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Right, what if Western Michigan goes on to win all
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: of its games?
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Will the committee look back at that? I'd say they
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: got to get it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, I did actually have that thought from the
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: UMass Rutgers game where everybody's making fun of Rutgers, inventing
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: college football and then losing to a team that hadn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: beaten an FBS opponent since they came up to the
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: FBS level. What if UMass is kind of like college
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: football darling this year and then Rutgers is looking back
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: at their win and like, hey, remember when everybody made
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: fun of us for lighting off those fireworks at UMass team?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Look at them. They're in the playoffs now. Pretty good.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Pop Watson. Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's what I can tell you.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Now, listen, you would have laughed at me like Indiana
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: did it. So anyone could do it. UMass is never
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: making the college football playoff.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: It's not happening.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: You would have said the same thing about James Madison.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You're right. I did. And Indiana. All right, Mikey,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: how many more teams left here?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Two more.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Two more.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: We'll start.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: We'll start in your neck of the woods. Miami 45
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to six over Stanford. Yes. Darian Mensah, 401 yards, five touchdowns,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: but Malachi Tony had over half of them, 12 receptions,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: 234 yards and three touchdowns. Has your opinion of Miami changed?
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: If that Miami game was Saturday instead of Friday, it's,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Miami would be more in the national conversation for how
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: dominant that performance.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Maybe the talk of college football right now. Yeah, it would.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I know it's against Stanford. I know Stanford's not very good.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: They traveled across the country. They beat Stanford the way
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to beat Stanford. Mensah was ridiculous. And Malachi
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Tony is better. I mean, Malachi Tony reminds me. I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: know everyone's saying this of Tariq Hill.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: He is so good, man.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to be surprised if Tony is
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: sitting in the Heisman Trophy presentation because he's one of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the finalists for the Heisman Trophy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I could see that happening, actually.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should amend that rule, right?
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Like there's no reason that Malachi Tony should have to
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: come back to Miami next season and not be in
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the NFL. Like it's similar to right now in Columbus
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: when you're watching Jeremiah Smith manhandle and dominate people outside
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: at receiver. Like this guy probably would have been a
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: top five pick in the NFL draft last year if
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith was allowed to enter. And it feels like
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Malachi Toney would be a top 15 pick the way
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: he's a playmaker at that receiver position.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: If you look at that schedule, Mikey, the only game
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that the Canes could lose is at Notre Dame.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: And that's debatable. Whoa. What?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: At North Carolina?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: One and out, man. You're undefeated. You look good, too.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: You should have a better record than Michigan right now.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: And it's the week before they have to go to
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame, so it's a little look-ahead spot for them.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yep, no doubt. All right, last team here, Mikey.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Well, you guys were just talking about it. North Carolina,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: has your opinion changed? 1-0 after the bye week still?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I had them at 11-1 when we did win-loss, so,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still there. Yep.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think this team is pretty terrible.