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DYING WISH: Flesh Stays Together, Songwriting, Weddings & Modern Metal Production · The Downbeat

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Hey guys, welcome back to the Downbeat podcast.
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My guests this week are Emma, Pedro and Jeff of Dying Wish.
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We talk about their new album Flesh Days together, of which
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Tadaa we have done an unbelievable downbeat variant.
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Maybe the most insane art we've done.
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As well as talking about that album, we also talk about their
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hilarious band dynamic that started in high school.
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You can see it's pretty obvious in the whole episode.
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We talk about Emma's recent wedding and Madison, the
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producer is joined by guest producer and the groom, Jeremy
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de Poister of the Devil for Prada.
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Check it out. It's dying wish on the Downbeat
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podcast. Hello everyone.
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Hello. Hi.
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Dying wish Most of dying wish. What's up?
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3/5. What's going on?
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Oh, you're really funny when the cameras are off and now
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everyone's fucking quiet. I.
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Got real nervous. I thought I have a three fifths
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joke and never mind that. OK, Sorry Simon.
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Sorry, Simon. Would you like to unleash the
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beast? Please.
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Mine. Mine's empty.
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This one's. You finished that already?
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That's more water than Jeff is drinking like the last two
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weeks. That's true.
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It's. Pretty rude.
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What's going on? We are rehearsing in Nashville
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before we go on tour with Poppy tomorrow.
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Very long two days it's. So funny, the ones I told you in
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recording. Everyone's changed.
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Sorry, what do you mean I gotta get warmed up?
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All this shit that you would know, that was me.
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We'll get there, We'll get there.
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That was me we've. Got to shake off the jacket.
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Is still on. Band practice today.
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Sorry, my eggs still here. Band practice today.
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Yeah. For a poppy tour.
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Yes. Is that like you're like a
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production band now? No, I mean, we tried, we tried
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spirit box and it was kind of. We just had a bunch of silly
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little lights on really big stages with the best lighting
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packages you've ever seen in venues.
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Did not need it at. All Yeah, Never mind.
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Yeah. Couple thousand in the toilet.
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Yeah, we didn't realize how expensive it was going to be.
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So now you've got no lights. Or money.
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Or money. Yeah, we got rugs coming though.
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Yeah, we have. Rugs.
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We made. Rugs.
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Cool rugs. Yeah.
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What's the rug? For us to play on.
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Yeah, ones on. Stage not to sell stage runs.
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Like in the front instead of where the risers would.
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Go in hockey, whatever hockey team he has either, you know?
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Yeah. It's like ones on P and Mackie's
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side once and Emma, and then one's on Sam's side.
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It's like flush. Stays together.
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Yeah, shout out Tom Williams by the.
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Way that's cool yeah so how many people from the balcony can say
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it it's like it's. Mainly for us, I guess, but.
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Yeah, my feet hurt. We're playing 40 minutes.
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Yeah, you fuck that. That's what I'm saying.
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I'm a 25. We're playing longer.
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We're playing longer on the headlining shows too.
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Yeah, we're doing a handful of like underplays, I guess.
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And yeah, it's like an hour. It's like.
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Which it's like, ridiculous. Yeah, an hour or 50.
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Probably around 50, yeah. Yeah.
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We'll see. Yeah, yeah, we'll cut a couple.
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I don't know. There's a house show apparently
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like in a basement in some guy's house.
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Have to pull up in a bandwagon on a residential St. to play
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these. This guys basement where?
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The fuck is my rug gonna go? Yeah.
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Where's my? That's kind of sick.
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Where's the laptop gonna go? Yeah, it's silly, Yeah.
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Who's taking photos? Miss Imani.
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Is she going? She's been on the podcast,
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actually. She.
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Has. Best.
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Will she be taking videos of the house show?
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Yeah, she should, absolutely. She's are some guys gonna take
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the day off? But yeah.
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Is it got a PA? Have you got like a no.
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We're just going hardcore with it, you know?
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You still accepted by the hell? I mean, probably.
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I don't fucking know. Jeff for sure.
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I don't think anybody else. Why Jeff?
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Yeah, why me? He's wearing 100 Demons hat like
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that. I wear my hat like this.
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So much has happened this week. It has you.
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Want to jump straight? In on that thought, we'd have a
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big chat. Well, yeah, but then the guy got
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merked. Just like I don't care.
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He. Certainly got.
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Merked. Yeah, he really did.
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And so and I haven't thought about the other stuff since.
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Emma showed, Emma showed it to the video to Tom.
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He like fucking freaked out. Yeah, Tom had.
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Tom was beside himself. He was like.
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I saw it before I knew what it was.
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Yeah, it's just I got like a like a notification from
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Twitter, which is weird because I never go on Twitter and I
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opened it and I was, I, it was just the video and I was like.
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How close up is the video? It's there's multiple.
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Angles very. Close.
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I imagine it's quite a few. You can see like it everything
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basically. Honestly, congratulations
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because you planned that very. Well, do you know what I did
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actually worry? I got tweets in my drafts right?
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Just ask me this whole thing. I'm told us about one of them.
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I won't say it, but. I only wasn't there for that.
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Well, I got a lot, you know, I'll read out my drafts if you
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want. But like, I got them all queued
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up and one of them was like, God, can a pop punk band just
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please God? So this can all be over with.
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Obviously. Joking jokes still exist.
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Jokes still exist. Anyway.
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So I was, like, manifesting in my head, like someone take the
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heat off me. It is.
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It was such an interesting two dates.
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Yeah. And I don't actually know.
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I don't really want to go into this a lot because, you know,
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Yeah. I want to talk about us, yeah.
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I know we're going to do that, but like, do you know where I
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fucking stand? Yeah, yeah.
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And yeah, you're my friend. I, I, I understand what you were
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trying to accomplish. And, you know, I'm sorry it
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didn't work out. Sorry.
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I'm sorry man. Shooter shoot.
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Sometimes you miss. I don't know, I.
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Don't think you miss though. No.
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Thank you. I'm brown and a quarter black,
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just letting you know. Thank you.
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You're welcome. We opened it up hot though.
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We did. We had to address the elephant
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in the room. Listen.
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So many people have left by now, yeah.
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I don't think they have because I think a lot of them would just
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be we want to hear what. This might get more views than
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the the slaughter the slaughter one because you're addressing it
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after the fact, so maybe it gets me.
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Is this going to be the first one that comes out after that?
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Grimness on your face that, well, you're the ones that have
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an album. Please.
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You're the ones that have an. Album.
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Yeah, we need sweets. We need some.
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Yeah. You need to be the next one.
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Please do. Hey, you're my motherfucker.
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He doesn't give a. Fuck.
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Listen, we bonded on the well, on the predatory.
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They bonded, but we bonded on that.
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Yeah, yeah. In Utah.
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Yes, yes, yeah. Oh my God.
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Remember when we got shot in the neck, but it was actually we
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just didn't get tickets to the UFC fight?
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It wasn't. It wasn't even that we got the
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tickets, but my Ticketmaster was UK and they wouldn't let me
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transfer. Them.
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Yeah, that's great. Oh, that sucks so much.
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Yeah. I remember.
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That I remember that very. Funny thing about that, for all
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my MMA heads, that was the same night Kamara Uzman got knocked
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out in the last round with a minute left.
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Oh man, it would have been perfect.
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Championship fight. I'm sorry.
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Well, I've figured. It's not your fault.
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My USA Ticketmaster now so we can do it again.
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Yeah. Do you want to talk about you
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instead of me and Charlie Kirk? Good Segway.
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Jeremy's here and the Co producing with Madison today.
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So I'd like some Co production. Have we said anything that's too
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far yet? No, you're good.
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Jeremy is the worst passive. Yeah, no, I have not seen
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anything too far. You're fine.
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Madison says it's fine. We're kind of just joking off at
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this point. We're the only two brown people
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in the room, so I feel like we're the good moral.
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I. Agree.
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So do. Why?
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See. Yeah, no love.
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No love. For the white guys.
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No, you're like dark meat white. So yeah.
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Racially ambiguous I was. Going to say people a lot of
9:20
times think I'm Mexican. It's really weird.
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Claim or Huh? Do you want?
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To I'd claim it if I could. I'm.
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More. Like.
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Do you want to list off the people you've been called?
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By their sluts. Binging with Babish, the guy on
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YouTube. The food guy on on YouTube Yeah,
9:35
people call me that or The Alchemist 2, which is pretty
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awesome. Both compliments how how didn't.
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Say someone say Mclovin once. Yeah, someone on the me that.
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Was so. Sorry, bring it up.
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Yeah, that's. Trauma.
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I don't know why you would say that.
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Yeah. Someone.
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Can see. Common.
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Didn't someone say common? No Hassan Piker.
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Oh, that is a wild. Cock.
9:56
I don't even know who that is and I'm still.
9:58
Very awesome. Very hard guy.
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You don't know who that is. No, very hard.
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I don't know who a lot of people are, like by name.
10:03
I need to see their face. And I'm like, oh.
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Yeah, he is very handsome and very Turkish.
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Hey. Thanks.
10:07
There you go. Probably big cock like you too.
10:10
Oh. OK, he's definitely packing.
10:12
For sure. Do you think he's cut?
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Absolutely. Oh, you wanted to get fucked?
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You on the cut conversation? Yeah.
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Foreskin, foreskin, foreskin. Uncircumcised.
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Fucking weird thing. Uncircumcised.
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So correct. Do weird thing actually.
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Huh. Did it go wrong?
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What you said weird thing? Oh, you meant?
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Yeah, I thought you meant. Force enforcing a weird thing
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over. Here.
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OK uncircumcised though, what's your excuse?
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I thought it was normal in this country before I'm walking
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around the freak when my fucking, I don't know, like 50?
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I really don't know. My culture is always like, keep
10:44
it white people usually don't. Yeah, in the States.
10:48
In the UK it's just you keep that shit, Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know, man. Sometimes I get cold.
10:54
Yeah, what? You mean?
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They have an excuse. I couldn't tell you.
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I haven't asked my parents about it, but you know, I think.
11:00
You should ask. Yeah, I can't believe we have
11:02
not. There is an ambiguous heritage
11:05
here. It's really.
11:06
Being a white, a white man, yeah, the.
11:08
Foreskin but like I'm also like the most white, like all my
11:11
family's like German and Scottish is.
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It like a religious. Can't say German mate.
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German's law. Because like, right now.
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Yeah, I don't know. I can't say German German.
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Can't say just. Say European.
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Yeah, European. European.
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No, European sounds so much worse.
11:27
Yeah, European. There's like a lot of
11:28
Scandinavian like shit in there. All of them.
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They're all out, bro. Yeah, they're all out.
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Oh. Sorry, we ain't got to cut it
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back. You're.
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Simon damn, we're still good. You got a tall poppy Ms. paint
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tomorrow. Literally tomorrow, Yeah, we.
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The first day was Emma's wedding.
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The like it was like a day before Emma's wedding was the
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first day of that tour. Wait, the tour is ongoing?
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Yeah. It's been going on for.
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They asked us to do it and we said no because I was getting
11:54
married. And then they said, well, what
11:57
if we did it? Yeah, what if we really.
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Want it without you for a minute and then you came.
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Yeah. So yeah.
12:03
Oh, so you haven't played a show?
12:05
No, no. But they started and they wanted
12:07
you that bad that they would do that?
12:08
Yeah. Apparently.
12:09
That's so sick. Very, very.
12:11
Nice, yeah. We saw Poppy recently and it was
12:14
fucking awesome. Was it?
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Yeah. Like genuinely the band, this
12:17
kid in it. Yeah, I really in it.
12:18
I really don't know what to expect from it.
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Like I'm just I honestly haven't heard of her since or until that
12:24
knock loose thing and I was like I don't know what to expect like
12:27
going into it. I worked a copy show in 2019 and
12:30
when I worked production at the Hawthorne Theatre and it was
12:33
right when she came out with I disagree and like kind of made
12:35
her pivot and it was really cool.
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Her VIP. She was dead and her VI peers
12:41
were speaking at her funeral. And she was.
12:43
Upright in a coffin? That's sick.
12:44
And VIP, yeah, I mean, it was a great day.
12:47
I just remember the crew was awesome and she was awesome and
12:50
the show was sold out. So yeah, full circle.
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I need, I need a fucking rewind on this VIP.
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Yeah, what she. She was upright in a coffin, and
13:00
her VI peers did not know what to expect until they got there.
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And so, you know, they're, like, so excited they're going to meet
13:07
Poppy. And then she's upright in this
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coffin, eyes closed, like, dressed all cute and everything.
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And they go up and take a microphone, and they make a
13:16
speech for Poppy as like, like, they're at her funeral.
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And most of these kids were just, like, weeping.
13:23
It was so stupid. It was precious.
13:25
Were they told to make a speech like it?
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Was this pre arranged or like? Yeah, that was like part of the
13:31
thing was like you could like make a speech to Poppy and then
13:34
they would take your picture with her, but.
13:36
So it wasn't a meet and greet, it was a funeral.
13:39
It was an open mic. It was a dead person.
13:41
Yeah, that's crazy. Did she, did she meet?
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I mean, you stood next to her and took a photo and she would,
13:46
she would like do funny things like, you know, Poppy.
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She didn't, but she didn't say anything.
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No, that's lame. Well, that's not soldier she's
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taking. Us on tour.
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I think the concept of a VIP is I hate it.
13:59
I would like, I'm so against it. But like when you turn it into
14:03
kind of a universal resort thing, I'm like, OK, that's the
14:07
thing. It's just a thing.
14:09
It's not like pay me money to say hello.
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Tom and she's brought it up once and we kind of immediately shut
14:14
it down, like we didn't want to do it at all.
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And I'm just like, he hasn't brought it up since, so maybe he
14:19
got the message. But like if we if you could make
14:21
it something cool, then I guess. But like.
14:24
I would want it to be like unique and that's why I like
14:26
poppies. But it's also just like, come
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say hi. Like, you don't, we're not
14:30
weird. You don't have to like, yeah.
14:31
I mean, we're going to be doing our own merch still.
14:33
Yeah. It's like you can literally come
14:34
say hi to us at. The merch still, we're just
14:35
people. It doesn't.
14:36
I'll tap you up. Don't come say hi to me though.
14:40
You do look like that normal person wouldn't want to say
14:43
hello. I mean that respectfully.
14:45
He really do a lot too. That's why you go.
14:47
But that's why you did it. Yeah.
14:48
What you got on the head? What's going on the head right
14:50
now? Crown of Thorns.
14:51
On the other side. Which one?
14:52
This one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:53
The scorpion. Yeah, yeah.
14:55
Got in Europe. Fucking.
14:56
He has one on the back of his I'm.
14:57
So annoyed you got the thorns though.
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What? It was on my list.
15:01
It was. Yeah.
15:02
Yo me you Ronnie Radke. That's oh God, I thought he's
15:06
was like tech. Oh, like Bar boy I.
15:07
Don't fucking know. Maybe get whatever his isn't
15:12
because I don't think I could handle having the same one right
15:14
now. Yo, I think I can.
15:16
They got people that. Made the comment you have Ronnie
15:18
Radke's tattoo. Which Amen.
15:20
Respect, really respect he's got.
15:22
Jesus's tattoo. Yeah.
15:23
Yeah, God. He has all these head tattoos
15:25
and he wants to look menacing and scary, but he's not bro he.
15:29
Really. Is just a big.
15:30
Tender. Baby yeah, fucking kick someone.
15:33
Off MMA. Cool.
15:34
Yeah. But you remember my speech?
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Yeah, it was. It was great speeches.
15:37
Craig and Pedro both gave speeches at my wedding.
15:41
Before we go into your band, yes, let's talk about the
15:44
wedding. OK.
15:45
OK, congratulations. Thanks.
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Jeremy, you're permitted to speak there.
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Oh, thank you. You may speak because it.
15:53
Man, to be honest, it seemed like maybe you didn't want the
15:57
congratulations there because I didn't say that you went
15:59
congratulations and you went. Cool.
16:01
He hasn't. He hasn't mailed out the
16:03
marriage license yet. So very, very, very happily
16:06
married. Very happily married.
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Yeah, it's not legal yet then? It was beautiful.
16:10
It was. So again, you seem like you
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don't care it. Was no, I do.
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It was to me, it wasn't real. It was.
16:18
It's it's hard to explain it. It's like, it felt like a dream.
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Yeah. Tell you.
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That the heat that. Yeah, no AC.
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This one was real. The no the no AC the one the one
16:27
fan like come on. After the actual ceremony, my
16:31
shirt was like, because we were just right in the sun, my shirt
16:34
was just covered into it well. Yeah, Sam, Sam, Brendan and
16:38
Kyle, we're all wearing like jackets.
16:39
He's like, I can't take it off my I'm so.
16:42
That's how it happened to me. Had to go air out.
16:44
Tom Williams of straight from the path.
16:46
You're famously famous far right man.
16:49
Straight from the path. He they're gonna keep coming,
16:52
maybe for the rest of my life. He officiated, which was news to
16:56
me at the last minute while I was reading through the the read
17:00
through. Oh really?
17:01
What's happening? And I was like, wait a fucking
17:03
minute, Tom Williams. Wasn't that like a one of the
17:07
first things? Stipulation has been coming.
17:09
So I told Tom that I was dating Jeremy and I was so afraid
17:14
because Tom not to be weird, but he's like somebody that I look
17:19
up to. He's like a almost like a father
17:20
figure for me. She doesn't have a dad.
17:22
Yeah. Twice.
17:24
Yeah. Abandoned twice.
17:26
It's crazy. I got stuff about that I can I
17:28
can see. Yeah.
17:30
But yeah, Tom was just like I I have one condition.
17:33
If you guys get married, I want to officiate the wedding and so.
17:36
I think he told me that as a joke and I thought it was a joke
17:39
so but then. Maybe he meant it as a.
17:41
When I saw it, he. Didn't actually want to he.
17:43
Was like holy shit, he was so fucking funny.
17:46
It was like insane. He.
17:47
Was like tying in, like promoting Prada's album in our
17:50
album. And I was like, damn, that was
17:51
really. Such a manager.
17:53
Movie it was pretty sick. He's like, I'm getting paid
17:55
either way, like. If only doing that as a job
17:58
could facilitate his lifestyle, now you can.
18:01
Do it. He would be amazing, he'd be
18:04
amazing at it. That I will unleash 2 of his
18:07
jokes now just because they were so good, which was.
18:10
He said that he's completely straight faced at this point and
18:14
he says love is like a tree and you need to tend to the roots so
18:19
that it can blossom into flowers.
18:23
The new album from the Devil and it's for everyone fucking
18:26
popped. But he was like the new album
18:28
from The Devil Wears Prada that comes out, blah, blah, blah,
18:30
blah, blah. And then later on he says
18:34
something else and and he says, you know, through thick and thin
18:36
flesh stays together. And then there was a pause and
18:42
in my head I was like, if he doesn't do the plug, it's going
18:46
to be so unfunny. But if he does the plug again,
18:48
it's going to be the funniest thing I've ever heard.
18:50
When he fucking did it again, it was really at your wedding.
18:53
I was like expecting it and it just made it even better because
18:57
he pulled it off really. Well, it was crazy.
18:58
He was very, very funny. And then I did a speech last
19:02
minute. I was told by Jeremy last minute
19:05
on bro, you don't know this. No, I filled in for someone in
19:09
the in the wedding party wasn't invited originally.
19:13
Put it back one more week. Probably still not invited.
19:17
But it happens, you know? So I'm, of course I'll be in
19:21
your wedding party. I'll have to change my whole
19:23
fucking suit and all this stuff and I'll have to stay another
19:25
day and change my flights and very expensive, but I'll do it
19:27
right, Right. Because I love you guys.
19:28
Thank you for doing that. Thank you.
19:30
So much. I'm fucking with you.
19:32
And then I wouldn't have done it.
19:33
I said to Madison like a week after he asked that.
19:35
I was like, God, I wish this motherfucker had asked me to do
19:38
a speech. I love doing speeches.
19:40
And then on the flight to Portland, I get a text saying, I
19:44
feel like I asked you to do a speech, didn't I?
19:46
And I was like, Nope, the wedding's in like fucking 40
19:51
hours. Did you address this?
19:53
You didn't. And then I was like, and he was
19:56
like, oh, you don't have to if you don't want to.
19:57
And I was like, Oh no, I want to.
19:59
But just so you know. You're getting cooked.
20:02
I don't even think I cooked you that hard.
20:03
And I just read it. I wrote a stream of
20:05
consciousness. Yeah.
20:07
On the flight, printed it out in the business center of the
20:10
hotel, Printed 2 copies so I could have a prop in the middle
20:14
when I was, like, listing off stuff we've been up to.
20:16
Yeah. And I was like, God, that's too
20:17
much. Can't talk about that.
20:19
Thanks. Talk about that.
20:20
That was really good. That was very vaudeville.
20:22
It was. It was.
20:23
Can I tell you my favorite part? Probably puts the groom and
20:28
groomer. Yeah, that was insane.
20:30
Was crazy. You want to say that on a
20:32
fucker? And no context for saying.
20:35
Yeah, the context of that was I really hammed up that you guys
20:40
were a young band. Yeah.
20:41
When when we took you on tour, which wasn't the case.
20:44
Yeah, but for the sake of a joke, which still exist.
20:46
Sorry. Carry on.
20:47
No, that I'm giving you the context there for your husband
20:49
so he doesn't. Get yeah.
20:50
No, he isn't. He did not groom me, but it was
20:53
hilarious. By the way, for the record.
20:55
I met him when I was 27, so yeah, there you go.
21:00
What was the other part? Right on the cusp.
21:03
Carry on, carry on. Oh, the part where you were like
21:07
the the womanizer the most, whatever you'd ever met.
21:12
And then there was Jeremy. What was it?
21:15
It was so good. It was.
21:17
Good right now. It's in his notes still.
21:20
Here we go. I was going to get revenge by
21:21
telling some stories that include extreme sexism,
21:24
womanize, and womanizing, but I googled A groomsman speech and
21:27
was supposed to tell stories that pertain to the groom's
21:30
character, not the bride. That killed me, thanks.
21:35
Good jokes, really good speeches all around.
21:37
Peas was Peas was very. Nice.
21:39
He didn't write anything down. He just went off the Dome.
21:41
Yeah. Off you said you were my best
21:43
friend I. Know did it was lovely.
21:45
Yeah, but nobody had cameras out.
21:47
So like, yeah, you don't get that on.
21:50
I know. I.
21:51
Heard. There was a bet.
21:52
It's all up here. Oh yeah, it was a bet.
21:55
Sam started. Sam started.
21:56
No Jacob Partridge drum texts for Knock Loose Everything.
22:00
Detroit. Awesome guy.
22:01
He like, he's like, yo, I'm taking a we're taking bets for
22:04
how long? Craig's speech.
22:05
It was a $5 buy. In $5 buy in for how long?
22:08
Just mine I thought it was. Just yours.
22:11
The pod, they got it for like $75 or something like that.
22:15
And who won? Gabe one technically because it
22:18
was prices, right Rules. Gabe guessed.
22:20
Like over 11 minutes and we're like, what do you do?
22:23
What are you talking about? And I guess I I heard from Gabe.
22:26
He guessed the length of the song black #1.
22:29
Yeah, he did. For some fucking reason.
22:31
Finally enough. I was listening to that song as
22:33
I wrote the speech, and as it finished, I went right, that's
22:36
done. You're so sick.
22:37
And I didn't. That's not fucking true.
22:39
That's not fucking called me fucking.
22:42
True exist. It's.
22:42
Funny because I could say stuff on here and people fucking
22:45
believe it. It's insane.
22:47
Yeah, technically gave one, but I don't think I think half the
22:50
people paid him I. Said like 6:45.
22:52
And then when you brought out the paper, I was like, never
22:54
mind, well. Half of the papers.
22:56
Were to throw. Yeah, I mean double sized
22:58
didn't. Know at the.
22:59
Time when I saw the papers that I was like, fuck yeah, 'cause I
23:01
think I said I, we, we bought into whatnot actually.
23:05
Yeah, who was the lowest? I just want one.
23:07
Someone gets like 2 minutes. Yeah, I guess like 430.
23:11
Does that person that 2 minutes know what I do for?
23:13
I don't. I don't remember like I've done
23:15
two hours. Phoenix was there so many
23:16
people, a lot of people that were in the in the pot.
23:19
So it. Was a good pot and.
23:21
That's so good Pot. And last thing I was saying, the
23:23
wedding Gabe caught your daughter.
23:26
I wonder if he still has it. God.
23:29
No wait, I have. Jeremy.
23:32
Jeremy pinged it at me and Gabe, like full on an action movie,
23:37
dived for it. I wasn't.
23:39
There somo. I saw it happen in Somo.
23:42
I wish it was me, I would have done it.
23:43
I was just so confused by it. I was like this seems weird.
23:49
But I didn't know what was happening.
23:50
It was weird for me and it was weird for him.
23:52
Can I know that it was, I'm sorry, but Jeremy was handing it
23:56
to you and he's volleyball. He like it was like it wasn't a
23:59
good. He was not the random thought.
24:01
He was like a directed and he Joe.
24:05
I didn't see you, so I don't know what he's.
24:06
A funny guy. We love you, Gabe I.
24:08
Had to be there. We love you Jober now as well
24:10
so. It's been like over a.
24:12
Year, he was just really excited to be here.
24:14
With his friends I love. His.
24:16
Game is our best friend. I had visions of him wanking
24:20
with it but. Well, isn't that what you're
24:22
supposed to do? No.
24:24
Is that what you want if you dive?
24:26
First of all, if you're diving for it, it's giving wanking,
24:31
it's giving like a full dive is giving what?
24:34
He's gonna hate this so much. That's fine.
24:37
I'm just asking a question. I don't know.
24:39
That was my first actual wedding in like a very long time.
24:42
So. Oh.
24:42
Wow. And it was beautiful.
24:43
It was beautiful. Thank you.
24:44
It was so. Yeah, my.
24:45
Wife, we had so much last wedding.
24:46
I was, that was my sisters, and I'm not gonna dive for that.
24:49
Why not? That's definitely weird.
24:52
Yeah, why would? Sorry Jessica, if you're
24:54
watching. Jesus Christ.
24:56
I didn't really know the God thing, I don't think it exists
24:58
in the UK so that's why. And the whole thing was weird to
25:01
me. I was like why is he giving that
25:03
to me? And then why is gay jumping for
25:07
it? Yo, and it was a sweaty day.
25:08
That thing stunk. Yeah, hey.
25:10
Man. That sucks.
25:15
See Sticking Up for Women. Hey, man, all day.
25:18
Flesh stays together. Yep.
25:21
This guy right here came up with the.
25:23
Title, the press bit. Yeah, you can come.
25:25
You can come straight in on the title if you want.
25:27
He's the new creative director now.
25:29
I guess so. It's a lot of stuff I see and I
25:31
hate. So I was like, you know what?
25:33
I want my band to do everything cool.
25:34
So the name actually came from like horror movie stuff like
25:39
Flesh. Oh so I I just assumed like
25:42
family. And.
25:43
Yes and no. Yeah, kind of and.
25:45
Why did it come from horror movie stuff?
25:46
So like the idea of there's not a specific movie I was watching,
25:50
but it was just a lot of like the idea of like flesh, your
25:54
autonomy is like the only thing you have in this world.
25:58
And then flesh can be taken in many other like stuff as in like
26:02
body of Christ to have a religious tone.
26:04
Flesh as in like literal flesh, like you're my family, as you
26:08
know. And then I just kinda has a ring
26:11
to it. Tom definitely was like, what is
26:14
that? Like, why?
26:15
Like, why is it so catchy? Like I don't.
26:17
Know yeah, you like said it in the chat I was like I don't know
26:20
what this means like I didn't like it at first I was like I've
26:22
no idea what that's supposed to mean like we can I'll think
26:25
about it I guess but. I'm not gonna lie, I was in the
26:26
same boat. Yeah, I was like.
26:27
Yeah, nobody liked it. It was like nobody liked Jesus
26:30
at the time too. And.
26:31
Well, it was also like the very first.
26:33
He's back, yeah. It was the very first like title
26:35
that has been like brought up like the first suggestion.
26:37
So I was like, cool, but like, let's think of more and see what
26:41
happens. Well, it was originally like,
26:46
no, we didn't, but it was originally not even.
26:49
It was just. Song title right?
26:52
No, it wasn't. Well, because for some reason it
26:54
was in the soul video you it had it painted on the jacket.
26:59
I did. And because it was supposed to
27:01
be a message about what the video meant with like us as a
27:05
group. But then it just stuck and like
27:08
became like the overall theme for like this period of the band
27:14
I guess. He's vibrating.
27:15
My he's my very, very selfish ways was like, if this is the
27:23
album title and I have a jacket that's in the video before the
27:26
album comes out, that's an Easter egg.
27:28
That is an Easter. Egg that tells.
27:29
You forgot completely. No, I knew.
27:31
I just didn't tell anybody. Yeah.
27:33
Well, I, I knew and I was like, I don't want to name an album
27:36
just so that it gives an Easter egg.
27:38
Yeah, but then I was like, but I can't come up with anything
27:41
cooler, really. Yeah, none of us came up with
27:43
anything. And I do like.
27:44
It just settled. I did because I know it was
27:48
awesome, because it grew. On me, because it grew on me.
27:51
We were like, I don't know, maybe like halfway through, like
27:53
the record, like recording and everything.
27:54
So like we didn't know like the songs mean and blah, blah, blah.
27:58
Like so I was like, I don't, I don't know, like we can figure
28:00
it out. Yeah, the title was pitched
28:02
before I had even tracked. Vocals, yeah.
28:03
We weren't like, it was like very early.
28:06
That's why we were like, I mean, yeah, cool, I guess.
28:08
But we had to like kind of we built the meaning for it to
28:12
where it actually makes sense and sounds cool, so.
28:14
Which brings me to my next question.
28:16
Did you do it well? Well, this time not rounded.
28:18
Yeah, that's a classic will move.
28:21
Is it? Oh, early on that you come up
28:23
with the title and then you like manipulate reality to join in
28:29
with the. Title will also didn't like it
28:31
either. No, he didn't.
28:33
I was, I was up against all of them by myself.
28:37
Did he go? I don't love it.
28:38
I was. Like, you know.
28:40
Fuck, we have a signal you. Know.
28:44
I don't like it. OK.
28:46
Popeye. Sorry, I didn't know Will didn't
28:49
like it. I didn't.
28:50
Yeah, he didn't like it. Well, because so you know how
28:53
the studio is, it's his beautiful house.
28:56
And so there's downstairs where the guitar room is, or.
28:59
Like tracking tracking. Whatever the phone, that's where
29:01
they would do everything. And then P and I are on the
29:03
opposite side of the house, up in the vocal room, killing
29:07
ourselves essentially over trying to come up because we had
29:11
laid out a very specific list of themes and topics that we wanted
29:16
to talk about. And so we didn't really work
29:18
outside of it at all. And we wanted to really hone in
29:22
all of the points that we had talked about.
29:23
And you know, we kind of just were up there doing our own
29:27
thing for like 3 weeks before Will even came in and.
29:31
You know, said I don't like anything.
29:35
What's happening in the downstairs room while you're
29:38
doing that? So.
29:39
Like me, Sam and Mackie, Mackie or Sam and Mackie are like
29:42
writing and and Will are like writing this.
29:45
The songs and guitars are not putting input on like drum shit.
29:47
So like us for down there, like writing the songs and then
29:52
they're upstairs like doing their thing with the lyrics and
29:55
vocal placement and stuff like that.
29:56
Does the bare bones of a song come upstairs for you to do
30:00
They'll. Send us demos and we'll be like,
30:02
OK, well then they'll help Emma to talk track it.
30:05
Will's not helping with the lyrics.
30:06
He does, he does, but we pretty much had written everything.
30:11
Yeah, and he'll be like. And then he's like, I don't like
30:14
this, I don't like this, I don't like this, Change that.
30:16
Yeah. And then leaves again for like
30:19
another week. Yeah, I was going to say, how is
30:23
how is it different working with for people that don't know?
30:26
Will and Randy used to work in a studio together, often together
30:30
on the same records, still very good friends.
30:34
Randy works out of the drum room where?
30:37
Cabin. Will tracks his drums but they
30:40
are now 2 separate entities. Is there a big difference either
30:46
way, positive or negative, to work into one or the other?
30:49
I. Don't think so.
30:50
I think it's just a different flavour.
30:52
Yeah, yeah. It's pretty similar, honestly.
30:56
Like when I was, when we would do records at Randy's, I would
30:59
just go off into my own room and just write lyrics for Yeah,
31:05
because I like, I bring lyrics to the studio, but I, it's just,
31:10
by the time you get there, like none of it really ever works for
31:13
me for some reason. So I just rewrite, reinvent
31:16
things, start over, you know? We have very different lyric
31:20
styles. Yeah.
31:21
Like I don't write anything. Until I'm there.
31:23
YouTube. Yeah, yeah.
31:24
Well, we collaborate on on the lyrics and like he I like I
31:29
write lyrics like poetry and he just like has like he just puts
31:33
together all these different 1 liners and so.
31:36
Manifesto. Yeah, really, really sounded
31:39
like a diss there, No. Why not?
31:41
No tree. Here's odd words.
31:42
No, no. I wish I could write like her.
31:44
Like if I'm not inspired to write like, I don't write shit.
31:47
Like she can write forever and be like blah blah blah blah blah
31:49
blah blah blah. Oh, this thing doesn't stop.
31:51
Yeah, and I'm just like, that's stupid.
31:53
I'm not right into that. And then go and drink a protein
31:56
shake or something like, yeah, I have to be in the mood.
31:58
Oh yeah, brother, I haven't. I've worked with Randy before
32:03
but one of the things I love will for but I've seen people
32:08
not take well is just how black and white and adamant he can be
32:14
when he doesn't like something or when he does like something.
32:16
No, I think that's good. I love it.
32:18
I absolutely fucking love it, but I I've never worked with
32:22
Randy to know like, does he do that or does because like, Will,
32:26
Will doesn't Kate. Well, no.
32:27
When he. Doesn't like it, he just goes.
32:30
Yeah, when we did our first record, like, I don't know, I
32:33
mean, for me especially, like I have no, no idea what to expect.
32:37
Like, because we would just like record with friends, like, and
32:39
they wouldn't, it would be like loosey goosey and like just,
32:42
yeah, whatever or what? And then like we came in and I
32:45
was pretty lackadaisical. And I don't know, like they
32:48
don't, they don't mince words. Like there's no reason to like
32:50
that. You can't sugarcoat it.
32:51
Like if I'm fucking up or like if anybody else is, like I don't
32:54
like it. Like even like Pete, he's like,
32:57
he's a good guitar player, but like he, you know, like same is
33:00
definitely better. But like when when Pete started,
33:04
Pete started recording guitars on the first record and and
33:07
Randy was like, let's just have do the whole thing basically
33:12
like. Literally, like obviously at
33:14
that time I didn't think about it, but like now I'm just like,
33:17
the best person in the band should be doing the thing.
33:20
Not like just because you're in the same realm.
33:23
Like the best cook in the kitchen should be cooking.
33:26
I've seen it so many times. Yeah, so it's like, like, I
33:28
don't need to be there if Sam's fucking killing it.
33:31
Yeah. Or if Macy's writing something
33:32
crazy. I'm just like, they're good.
33:34
Like obviously like me and Emma or Lyric department, but like.
33:37
There's no ego between us. Yeah, like whatever is good.
33:40
Like half. Most of the songs are just like
33:43
complete blends of what you and I have written.
33:46
And I'm like, I don't remember if I wrote that or if he wrote
33:48
it, but it's, it's good, you know, like there's no ego
33:50
attached to it at this point, Like, but I want my stuff to be
33:53
involved. Like who cares?
33:54
Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're gonna go up
33:57
there as a band, people are gonna give you the credit as a
33:59
band. Like, no one's gonna be like,
34:01
aw, like Emma really killed that lyric in minute 124.
34:05
Like, like, who cares like. Sometimes they'll miscredit
34:09
people as well. A lot of people are just like,
34:11
oh man, you are, you are the world's best lyricist.
34:14
And it's the personal stages, like, yeah, they didn't write
34:17
that. Yeah, it's not about taking
34:19
credit, though. I've got a question for GF.
34:22
Yeah. How did you like, as obviously
34:26
when you're writing with Will and you sat in front of the
34:30
computer and you programming so you can then learn it to play
34:34
it. How did you like then having to
34:38
play what was programmed? Absolutely exactly what was
34:42
programmed. I didn't do that at all.
34:44
Really. And he let you.
34:46
I was, we did a single with him before we did soul before the
34:49
album. So like that was our first time
34:51
working with Will and he would like him and Sam and Mackie are
34:56
like writing the guitars and stuff like that.
34:57
And he's just like, you know, doing bullshit, maybe like this,
35:00
making the skeleton of the song. And I was like putting input on
35:03
like parts and fills and whatever.
35:05
And I was like, but also like, I'm going to not do this, some
35:08
of this, like, I'm going to learn it and like, whatever I
35:10
feel like naturally, like, want to do, I'm going to do it.
35:13
He's like, yeah, I'm not tied. He's like, I'm not tied to any
35:15
of this. Like he's like, do whatever.
35:17
Literally, he told me like, do whatever you want.
35:19
I was like, OK, cool. Yeah.
35:23
I don't know if that's how he always is.
35:25
I guess not. No, I guess not.
35:27
But bro, me and we're like and I love it because like the last
35:31
stray record cancelled is like the the best performance I've
35:35
ever done and it's only because I did for once learn it note for
35:40
note to what we wrote. Like I learned there was like
35:42
certain parts that were like obviously like needed to be
35:45
there, like driving the song. But I was like, oh, what if I
35:48
did this here and and said or this He's like, yeah, do
35:50
whatever you want. I don't care.
35:51
And like even recording it, even like as, as we're actually in
35:55
the drum room recording it, I was like, I'd be like, what if I
35:58
did this here? He's like, yeah, try.
35:59
It maybe it's just better than me.
36:00
I don't. Know, but like before with
36:02
Randy, I I did do the learn, learn it.
36:05
No for no, which I liked. I didn't like at the same time,
36:08
but like, I don't know, working with will drum wise is like I
36:12
don't know. I like it a lot better, like
36:13
improvising, because that's what I that's the kind of drummer I
36:15
am. It's like I'm improvising the
36:17
whole time. Yo, I think Will doesn't like
36:18
it. That might be what's happening.
36:22
Like I don't like. Like I don't play the same fit.
36:24
Like I there are certain feels I'll play the same like it
36:27
pretty much every night. But like a lot of the times I'll
36:29
like and provide certain parts or like do it something
36:32
different here like during like, you know, like a lot.
36:34
Yeah, live. There'll be times when I'm
36:36
playing and I hear a part and I'm like, you play that, you
36:38
play that different. I was like, yeah, like I'll do
36:40
like a different feeling. Sam will, like, look back at me.
36:42
I'm like, I'm like, yeah. That's I think there's one feel
36:46
that I sometimes improvise, but it does get their reaction.
36:49
Maybe that's where I'm fucking up.
36:50
There's like ones that I'm like set in stone where if like I try
36:53
to improvise it, I'll fuck up. But like there's ones where I'm
36:55
like, oh, I'll just do something different here.
36:57
Like just because like track track.
36:59
One on the new record. I've got it.
37:01
I don't belong anymore, yeah. I don't belong anymore.
37:03
You can't improvise that feel. There's a feel where it's just
37:06
you on its own. It's.
37:07
Crazy in the Stars after the first.
37:10
After the yeah. Yeah, that ones not out yet, but
37:12
it's one of the Best Song, probably 1.
37:14
Of you can improvise that because that's going to fuck.
37:16
No, that was that was, that was Sam.
37:18
That was the one song that Sam sent to Will.
37:21
He's like, we had like a whole Dropbox of like 30 ideas and and
37:26
Will was like, I don't like any of this.
37:27
And like that only that one out of 30 made it, which was the
37:31
first song on the record. So like Sam wrote that whole
37:34
beginning part. I think probably the whole
37:36
thing, I don't know. But like, that was Sam
37:38
programming the drums to the guitar and like, that's what
37:42
that was, Sam's idea. Sounds cool.
37:44
But like, yeah, that one I couldn't really.
37:45
Like, I can't, you know, that's like that's like a field where
37:48
like I kind of have to do it how it's written.
37:50
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like there's certain ones where
37:53
I will play no for no, because if I don't do it then I will
37:57
mess up and I don't want to do that.
37:59
But then there's other like a million parts where I'm like,
38:02
yeah, I'll just fucking do something crazy different here
38:04
or whatever. I got another question on that
38:06
song, The fuck you I want to know because it's it's, it's
38:12
just you. Like when you sing in my head,
38:15
it's that's not Emma. That's like stage Emma.
38:18
And when you scream, that's not Emma, it's Stage Emma.
38:22
The fuck you is like you said it to me on the phone.
38:25
Yeah, it's sick. Was that a conscious decision?
38:29
What had happened was I talk track everything in the studio
38:34
just because I hate tracking screams so much that I'm like,
38:37
I'm just going to talk track it. And nobody has ever pushed back
38:40
on me on it. And so, you know, we're
38:44
referencing the talk back when we're tracking the screams and
38:50
will like plays the, the whole section and he goes, hear me
38:55
out. And he goes, what if you just
38:58
talk it and not scream it? And I was like, that could be
39:01
cool. And so we set up the other mic.
39:03
I went the, the clean mic. I did the fuck you on the clean
39:07
mic. But the first take I did it, he
39:11
goes stop. He's like, you sound like you're
39:14
from Long Island, 'cause I go fuck you.
39:17
And he goes, he goes, no, just please be normal.
39:20
Like you're from Oregon. Yeah, But I I gave it some
39:24
huspa, you know? Yeah.
39:26
But yeah, I don't know. That's how it happened.
39:28
Huspa. Is that a word?
39:29
It's no, it's not, but it's a word, yeah.
39:32
OK, that's Long Island, Yeah. Yeah, well, Maggie's in the
39:35
band, so. A real grip to that, Maggie.
39:37
I couldn't even say that that sounded Scottish, because I was
39:40
going to ask how many takes it was.
39:41
Because I can imagine you laughing or you know.
39:44
I I think that was probably the second take, second or third
39:47
ticket. After the first one that after
39:49
the. 631 Yeah, the. Sopranos tape, yeah.
39:53
Because we've done it before, like, oh, we're like talking
39:55
over this part. And she's like, I don't like my
39:56
talking voice. She's like, so this one is.
39:59
Like it's so metal core though. It's very prominent and it's
40:02
like, it makes the song like it's, it's an insane song.
40:05
It's in the coolest part in the song.
40:07
It's yeah, it's so sick. We've always had a thing for
40:10
opening tracks like Cowards and then for SOS like that I think
40:18
is probably the most experimental thing that we had
40:21
done with our sound at that point.
40:24
And so that's just there are theme is like opening tracks.
40:29
Opening tracks have to be a bang.
40:31
Yeah, they have to be a. Is it gonna be a single?
40:34
I guess not. Or is that you're gonna?
40:35
Be we have a video that comes out.
40:36
The day, yeah. It's coming out the day of the
40:38
record. Called a focus track is what the
40:40
industry calls classic. Tom Williams?
40:42
Yeah, absolutely. Classic Tom Williams.
40:45
Is SOS the first track on symptoms?
40:47
It wasn't going to be actually pray for me was going to be the
40:50
opening track. And then Tom said no, no, no.
40:53
Yeah, the Meshuga song. I fucking love that that one
40:57
symptoms. Yeah, yeah.
40:59
It's like early, early my sugar sound don't talk about.
41:02
We're not my sugar heads. That's it's ridiculous.
41:04
They don't like Dez tones. They don't like my sugar.
41:06
I. Like Dez Tones?
41:07
I don't know. I don't not like my sugar.
41:09
I don't not like my sugar. I'm just like, I've never, I
41:11
never tried. I never got into them.
41:13
I was never my sugar. It's never too late.
41:16
I don't. You need to start on just that
41:18
first EP because it does just sound.
41:20
Wait, do you like Metallica? Old Metallica.
41:22
For sure. But it sounds like old
41:23
Metallica. That's like fucking if Metallica
41:26
took acid and we're really good at maths.
41:28
Math True. Not really Sullivant here right
41:30
now. But yeah, Deftones, I feel like
41:32
it's like people are pretending to like this.
41:34
I don't get it at really. I listen to Tom has been like.
41:37
Pretending to. Tom, there's a lot of.
41:39
Bandits that was out arenas if you guys in this arena for a
41:42
drive. Tom said he like, I'm making a
41:44
playlist of must listen to Deftones songs.
41:47
If you don't like any of these, you're not at Deftones or you
41:50
are like, yeah, listen to all of them.
41:52
I was just like, I don't, I don't know, man.
41:54
You probably are the pickiest music person in the.
41:56
Band was that chat that I like shitty music for sure.
41:59
I'm just like I don't get. No, you just like love.
42:02
I mean, my favorite things. Yeah, my favorite band.
42:04
I mean the Switch and like Lamb of God, it's a crazy.
42:07
Dying fetus. Yeah, dying fetus.
42:09
That's a good band, Eminem. He loves Eminem.
42:12
Great band. What's your favorite band?
42:14
Mine like actually. Yeah, not like think of the
42:18
coolest band you can, no. It's favorite bands probably the
42:21
Ramones. I was.
42:22
Waiting for you to say that. Cool guy, great band, but it's
42:26
so cool. What do you mean it's cool?
42:28
He said kills, which in Lamb of God we're in favorite.
42:31
We're in America. Crane favorite heavy band that
42:36
like from everything 100 demons for sure.
42:38
But if I'm saying like favorite band like desert island thermos.
42:42
That would get so old on a desert island, yeah.
42:45
Three chords, man. Yeah, all day long.
42:48
Yeah, you don't want to just sit on the island with a Jean jacket
42:51
and like, blue. Jeans, I would love it for like
42:53
a day, but then the next day I'll probably put Deftones on.
42:56
Oh. My God.
42:57
What's your favorite band? Deftones.
42:59
They're, they're up there all time.
43:01
I don't know. You relate Bloomer to Deftones
43:04
though, weren't you? Yeah, I didn't get into my, I
43:07
didn't get into my Deftones there until I was in my 20s.
43:10
Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, like five
43:13
years ago because I tried listening to it and it just
43:15
never. Clicked I.
43:16
Guess. And then, and then one day it
43:18
just clicked. And like, it's never too late to
43:21
get into something, you know? Wait, vaccinate backs?
43:24
No. No, we don't.
43:26
Odds I'm. Just doing the bed definitely
43:28
backs. I'm just doing the definitely
43:29
backs. The cards to prove.
43:31
Have the card didn't lie just to go on tour.
43:33
Anyway, about I'm obsessed with doing it as a bit to the point
43:38
where I keep like texting Tom like yo, can I just say this
43:42
because it's funny And he's like, absolutely.
43:43
Funny. Yeah.
43:44
He's like, I'm breaking up. We're breaking up in 62.
43:46
Games. He's literally like wait until
43:47
I'm like, it's a joke though. I'm just joking.
43:51
Tom Williams is late to 9 Inch Nails and I made him a playlist
43:54
ages ago. Like forever ago.
43:56
You were going to say that like 9.
43:57
Inch no. That band's amazing trend?
43:59
Reznor. Thanks, I took.
44:02
You're welcome. Took a couple couple.
44:05
Of shots from his videos to put in ours.
44:07
Tom got me into Radiohead. That was the man I got into
44:11
really late. Are they cancelled?
44:14
Oh, really? I don't actually know that.
44:17
Because of a cheating thing. Wait, they didn't know, but that
44:20
means they knew. Wait.
44:23
What? Yeah, that's fucking cooked.
44:25
It's not my favorite man of all time.
44:26
He's so pro Israel. Oh, I just ruin your fun.
44:32
You gotta stop. Everything from Radiohead
44:36
onwards is cut. Oh man, that was a good bit
44:39
though. It was a great bit and I care
44:41
about you too much. Yeah, that's great.
44:44
Honestly. That's the state of the world
44:45
that you not knowing that and saying I love Radiohead, we'll
44:48
be cut that bit out. I'm good.
44:52
I. Actually did not know that.
44:54
Yeah, I really did not know that.
44:56
Here did I? I thought you were talking about
44:57
the whole like the concert thing with the two people cheating.
45:00
Guy wait, can I keep this? Coldplay can.
45:03
I keep. This in Is it funny?
45:05
Oh, wait. I mean, if I didn't know, you
45:07
know, I'm here to learn. You you should have done your
45:10
research. Famously this would it'd be such
45:12
a great parallel though, if you got cancelled for that, right?
45:16
Because you like famously your IG, your Twitter handle was free
45:21
Palestine like, and I hate to say it like this, but before it
45:25
was. Before October, whatever.
45:27
The fuck? Yeah, like it was years ago.
45:30
Yeah. And then you didn't know the
45:32
Radiohead thing, so, so to get cancelled for that, despite
45:35
having a, you know the correct. Opinion of.
45:38
Forever history of like being on the right side would be very
45:42
parallel to something else that's happening right now in
45:45
this world. Not that true.
45:46
Not murder that mom. Can you stay in?
45:49
Sure, fuck Radiohead. I don't.
45:50
Know I. Mean.
45:51
See, she she flipped that up. Wait, Radiohead's cancelled
45:53
couple tracks? This.
45:56
Guy, this is Steven. You don't like it?
45:59
You just be like, he creep's pretty cool.
46:01
Creep is like creep's a good. Song I know most.
46:03
Whatever. But that's the only one I know,
46:06
so I'm like that guitar. Tone.
46:07
Oh, it's a banger. No, that song does sound Zionist
46:10
now you mention. It that song on Rock Band?
46:12
I love playing it on Rock Band. Or because he's a weirdo.
46:15
OK, he's a creep. Like look at me, I'm so weird.
46:20
But yeah, like, I, I didn't know for the longest time about.
46:24
And to be honest with you, I don't really fucking know.
46:26
All I know is that it's all over the Internet that you can't wear
46:28
a Radiohead T-shirt. So it might not even be as bad
46:31
as I'm making it out to be. But I was wearing a Radiohead
46:34
T-shirt before I knew that. I think it was Tom that said to
46:37
me, he was like, you're really going to wear that T-shirt right
46:40
now? I was like, why?
46:42
And he was like this. And I went, oh, probably take it
46:44
off, yeah. Put one of my black metal ones
46:47
on. Yeah, that's.
46:48
Fine. Yeah, famously.
46:49
The main yes one. But it was bootleg so.
46:53
Thank you. Yeah, that.
46:54
Happened to me. About what he did because it's
46:56
bootleg. If anything I stole off.
46:58
Yeah, that happened to me with Azaway Dunning.
47:00
So wait. How?
47:01
How long off? My well after the after the most
47:06
recent devil and I was like, OK, I can't.
47:08
Do Yeah, Jeff wants to try to give people second chances, you
47:10
know, but. 56 Well, right, yeah. Listen, the guy had us all
47:15
fooled. The guy had us, that was.
47:17
I didn't mention it, no. He didn't.
47:18
That was my that was like my favorite fucking band ever.
47:22
And then like the murder thing, I'm like, and then like people
47:25
like OK with him. And I was like, OK, And so I was
47:28
still wearing it. And then the most recent stuff
47:31
and I was like, OK, fine. Like I can't.
47:33
You know what? You gave him a second job.
47:34
Yeah, and he spit. In my face so.
47:37
He did. Yeah, so fuck that guy.
47:39
Everybody else in that band, like Josh and like Nick,
47:43
amazing. People, they could go.
47:45
So like, Nick is literally the nicest guy I've ever met in my
47:49
life. He's so sick.
47:50
We have a really funny picture of when we played the cruise and
47:52
Jeff Jeremy introduced him and. It's literally a live action of
47:57
me shaking. It I've never seen.
47:58
Him so happy. I, I have one of my many mini
48:04
cancellations. I'd say this one's still mini,
48:07
but this was like a, you know, micro cancellation, which was
48:09
when I actually, it was pre, it was post trying to get his wife
48:14
killed, but it was pre. You know, here is the evidence.
48:18
I really wanted to do it. And I was like, you know what,
48:23
I'd have Tim and Abesis on the podcast because everyone appears
48:26
to have forgiven him. So I would like to have him on
48:29
talk about, you know, his excuse was the roid rage stuff.
48:32
And I was like, I've got friends that, you know, have gone crazy
48:35
or whatever in the gym. I was like, that'd be a good
48:37
conversation. Got mini cancelled for that on
48:39
Twitter, so I stopped talking about it, but I did actually
48:43
reach out to him No, he reached out to me actually because I I
48:47
posted it on my Instagram story. You know that girl, the girl
48:52
Mystic that does the like death core covers?
48:55
Anyway, she's really, she's really good.
48:58
She'd done some metal core song and he was in the comments and
49:02
said, you know, I'm just an old guy in a metal core band, what
49:06
do I know? But this is really good.
49:08
And I fucking screenshotted it and put on my story and was
49:10
like, we have to protect her. Like just joking, right?
49:14
So then he replied, he replied to me and was like, what does
49:18
this mean? And I just didn't address that.
49:20
And I was like, Tim, you should come on the podcast.
49:22
And you wait. What do you think?
49:24
When is he? Flipped like immediately and was
49:26
like, I've heard great things. What do you what do you want to
49:29
talk about? I'm open to talking about.
49:31
And he was like, list off this like the prison system,
49:34
rehabilitation, you know, all this stuff.
49:38
And I was like, I'm going to stop you there, Tim.
49:40
I'd love to talk about the elephant in the room.
49:44
Yeah, because, you know, everyone's forgiven you.
49:47
And I put no as sorry, everyone being, she's so good.
49:54
Everyone being, you know, the fact they're still touring, the
49:57
grand scheme of everyone. Him and.
50:00
The just like I personally probably have a few more answers
50:03
that I could need that I need to hear.
50:05
I've also had friends that, you know, have done a lot of
50:07
steroids and gone a bit crazy. So I think it'd be a great chat
50:10
blah blah blah. His reply, it was so insane.
50:14
And I was like, I don't think I can do this.
50:17
He he was like, I'm not talking about that blah, blah, blah and
50:19
all this other stuff. And I was like, fuck me.
50:21
If I'd have got in mind he'd have buried himself and then and
50:24
then that other shit came out and it was like.
50:26
Oh, he did the Josta podcast and listen to it and Josta like was
50:30
like, yo, you have to like there's there can't be any like
50:34
stipulations. I'm talking about everything.
50:37
And Josta like, grilled him the entire time and like, Tim ended
50:40
up crying. On it.
50:42
And yeah, Josso was like, I mean, I never wanted to kill my
50:45
wife. And then like in front of him,
50:46
it. Was awesome.
50:48
Like he was grilling him absolutely the whole time and I
50:51
was like, OK, if he's like willing to do that, then
50:53
whatever. Not like whatever, but like
50:55
trying to kill your wife is pretty fucked up.
50:58
But like, and then after that came out like I was everyone's
51:01
like, you know what, not what? But and then the whole other
51:04
shit came out after the husband was like, OK, we can't do this
51:07
anymore. Yeah, this shit is pretty
51:09
fucked. It's really bad.
51:10
Yeah, pretty fucking obvious. A curse upon iron.
51:14
Oh yeah. What's it about?
51:15
I couldn't figure that one. Out.
51:16
So actually A Curse Upon Iron is the title translated of an
51:22
Estonian song that I did when I was in choir in high school,
51:27
which is called Ramanid Mene. And the song revolutionized my
51:32
life because it's like, I know it sounds really corny to people
51:35
who weren't inquiring, but it's like 10 minutes long.
51:39
Yeah, it's pretty rude, but OK. Yeah, I was inquired.
51:42
It's OK. But yeah, it's 10 minutes long,
51:45
it's 16 parts and like 45 pages, and it's a song.
51:52
So Estonia was occupied by the Soviet Union, and it's about the
52:00
occupation. And Estonia actually fought
52:02
revolution with song. And they are the only example in
52:08
history, modern history of basically fighting up to your
52:12
oppressor using music. It's very powerful.
52:14
They have like megaphones. No, they just gathered in the
52:17
streets and sang. And I mean, this was towards the
52:20
end of the, I don't know the exact history, but this was
52:23
towards that fall of the Soviet Union anyways.
52:25
And so the song is written about that.
52:29
And the A Crisp on Iron is about like the curse of bombs and of
52:33
war and the price that we pay for it.
52:36
And so that was basically what I had written the song about, but
52:40
with also using the Super niche reference that nobody cares
52:43
about. No, it cares so much.
52:45
It's really. Fucking cool.
52:45
I don't know. Thanks to the song.
52:47
Yeah, the song is amazing by the.
52:48
Way it's a great it's. A really good song, but how bad
52:51
were they singing that the Soviet Union was like, stop, do
52:56
you know what? You got it.
52:58
OK, if you ever if you are into choir or a lot of people, what?
53:03
Kind of choir, because I quite like some Gregorian chant.
53:07
How we talk. We'll be talking here.
53:09
So we we like actually, we our scales that we sang were like
53:14
sirens and we like actually like there's like like a yo-yo yo-yo
53:19
sound happening and like there's a bunch of crazy shit.
53:22
My choir teacher was like very unethical and like this, this
53:25
pieces that she would pick for us.
53:27
But if you were ever a choir kid, a lot of choir kids know
53:30
about like the Estonian future or like the Estonian past with
53:35
choral music. But check it out if you haven't
53:38
heard Raven. That's so you put fucking
53:39
interest in, really. Yeah.
53:41
So interesting. So people come in here and have
53:44
like, what's this song about? And they go like, yeah, it's
53:46
about killing people. Okay, cool.
53:47
Yeah. Next question, So Ira Sexy, are
53:51
you familiar? She's an artist.
53:53
She did a Bad Omens remix. She has a masters degree in
53:58
opera, if I'm not mistaken. But she's a friend of ours and
54:02
she's from Saint Louis. And she, like I mentioned
54:08
Estonian choral music to her because I know obviously she has
54:10
that background. And she's the only person I've
54:12
ever met since I was a kid who knows about it.
54:15
And we just, like, geeked out over it.
54:17
It was very. Crazy.
54:18
What do people check out if they want?
54:21
Rawa need Manet how? By.
54:23
Vel. Spell that RAUA space.
54:26
Need MINE all one word by veljo tormis.
54:30
It's that's the original composer.
54:33
You're so cool. Really.
54:35
That's like the nerdiest shit I've ever.
54:36
Heard the fucking nerd that's. Insane.
54:38
You know I gotta say that, yeah. It's alright man, that's fine.
54:40
It's just a podcast. You guys bully her.
54:45
Oh my God, we've known each other forever if.
54:48
You want to go into this? We've known each other since
54:50
middle school like it's it's been a whole.
54:52
That's why she's such a good person.
54:54
Because of you guys. Thank you guys, you guys.
54:57
Imagine like if her ego was inflated and she was like I need
55:01
my own green room. I will and like.
55:03
She was pretty mean, no ego. Oh, I was a mean kid.
55:06
I I was kind of a bully. I was not being being treated
55:09
very well at home. So if you're seeing this and you
55:11
were personally victimized by me including you, Jeff, I'm very
55:14
sorry. No, no dads.
55:15
Why? I'm sorry you were a bully.
55:17
I was a mean kid. Yeah, she listen, we all had
55:19
Spanish together in like 8th grade, some of the 8th grade.
55:22
Yes, and I was. In Spanish and I'll shake your
55:24
hand after I get this out. How good?
55:26
Were you Joe A plus? We were in Spanish together.
55:30
It was crazy. Like literally Spanish too.
55:35
Also like. Basically, yeah, but we had to
55:38
do English as well. You know what's funny is that
55:40
all of our teachers were white and they called you Peter, not
55:43
Pedro, and they didn't say a word to you.
55:45
I mean, I'll take it. It's kind of racist, no?
55:48
Absolutely. When they had you make up like a
55:50
a Spanish sounding name to refer to you as like they made and I
55:53
yeah, you're like, Oh yeah, what's your Spanish name?
55:55
I was like, oh, like Carlos and they call you paid for Peter.
55:58
That's the same. I don't remember that.
56:00
Part. Oh my God, yeah.
56:03
Anyways, I can't remember if it was like the day before or
56:05
whatever, but I went to a betrayal show.
56:08
Inland Empire, hardcore, whatever you wanna call it,
56:10
Great band doesn't really hold up, but I was wearing one of the
56:13
I was wearing the shirt I got from the show.
56:16
To it. Was a long sleeve.
56:18
Yeah. Man to the to to school and I
56:21
walk in class and she just looks at me.
56:22
It's like that band fucking sucks.
56:24
And no, she did not say like. That I didn't usually say the
56:27
shirt off and throw in the. Garden No I.
56:28
I was like, cool, thanks. I appreciate.
56:31
It no, I just felt like saying something mean to him for some.
56:34
Reason so I. Were you friends or were you?
56:36
We were friends. It was like loose friends at
56:38
that time because I don't. Yeah, it was definitely loose
56:41
because she was, it was like she was hanging out with like older
56:45
kids and like she was like going to shows and like, I have no
56:47
idea what shows really, really were about then.
56:49
So I was like, she was like going hanging out at like hard,
56:52
like hardcore shows, whatever. And so I was like.
56:54
Cuz we went to that betrayal show together.
56:55
Yeah. Yeah, we did.
56:56
Like, I wasn't going to like real, real show, you know,
56:58
whatever. But I was like, I wasn't super
57:00
friends with her back then. But like, yeah, she just.
57:03
You know what, Jeff? Falling on my shirt and I was
57:05
like thanks, I owe you. It makes me feel great about
57:08
myself. I owe you an apology and that
57:10
was a great story. Yeah, in my head and go, go, go.
57:14
Sorry. You promised that if you said
57:17
that on air and it made it to the podcast, that you would
57:21
never bring it up. I was going to say it at your
57:22
wedding, but I didn't get the mics.
57:24
Oh, this is. He really wanted to get.
57:26
Really. Yeah, yeah.
57:27
There. He got it in and he is.
57:28
He has been mean to me every single day.
57:31
No, I bring. It.
57:32
Up. How long ago is that?
57:33
Like I bring it up 15 years ago. Oh yeah, I brought it up
57:36
constantly, but no more. Anyways, yeah.
57:39
So anyways, we've known each other since we were 14 years
57:41
old, so that's almost 17 years. I turned 31 next week.
57:45
Anyway, so we're talking about bullying.
57:49
I just want to know some stuff about the band.
57:51
And don't worry if the people weren't here.
57:54
So you can, you can dunk on them, but I'd like you to dunk
57:56
on each other if possible. So just in general.
58:00
So you mean close proximity all the time on tour?
58:04
I want to know who is, who's the messy one.
58:08
You're sharing a tour bus together.
58:10
Are you? Yeah, 100%.
58:11
On the bus. Bro you will take candy wrappers
58:15
and stuff them in the in the in anywhere.
58:17
Dude, you slept on my couch and you left and I found trash in my
58:21
couch cushions. You will.
58:22
You will drive. I will drive you in my car.
58:24
They've been waiting to. Say, yeah, you're lunging up as
58:27
well. I will drive, you'll be driving
58:29
in my car and you'll leave like monster cans and like 3 protein
58:32
bar wrappers in the side console.
58:35
But. What's really funny is that
58:36
sometimes you'll pile your trash all together so it's like
58:39
organized and nice. You did that at Wills, yeah.
58:42
So I'm a great person to be around.
58:43
I don't you're. Just messy bro.
58:45
Okay, who would you say is the messy one?
58:48
Me. Yeah, no one, because you're the
58:51
messy. Yeah, these guys are really
58:53
clean. Yeah.
58:54
Well, yeah, yeah. So you're agree?
58:57
Yeah, I'll agree. We lived together for like 3
58:59
years too so I'm like I know all too much about it.
59:01
Yeah, I mean. I asked him three years of I
59:04
asked him to clean the toilet once and you're like, oh, my
59:06
foot hurts from training. I was like, I was like, it takes
59:08
5 minutes. Sorry, I was, you know, took two
59:10
hours of my day to go beat up this guy.
59:12
Yeah, I can't clean the toilet. You.
59:15
Don't need you fucking to clean the toilet.
59:18
Do a sitting down like can you kneel?
59:20
How? High is this toilet?
59:21
It's it's a normal toilet. That is so peeing I love.
59:25
My back here I. Fucking love you saying.
59:27
I'm seeing you're saying I'm a bull with.
59:29
Yeah, that. Shit, I.
59:31
Would do, man. I'm so glad I don't live with
59:33
you anymore. I mean, me too for other
59:36
reasons, but yeah. You want to get him back?
59:38
No, not on that bad, not on air. Fake taxi.
59:41
Yeah, OK, Who? Who snores?
59:45
Oh. Oh, not these two.
59:47
Where are the? Where are the non snores?
59:48
Me, Mackie, Sam. Yep.
59:50
So when we when we get hotel rooms P and IP and I share and.
59:55
Absolutely insane I got no one in my band that doesn't snore.
59:58
Wow. Except me so.
1:00:00
Occasionally, and the rest of my band don't actually know this,
1:00:03
sometimes when we were, when it was budgets were quite tight and
1:00:07
we were, and to be fair, they still are so cancelled.
1:00:11
Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:12
Nazis. So we would share rooms.
1:00:16
We would share rooms. And I would not be able to sleep
1:00:18
so much that I would go down to the lobby and buy my own hotel
1:00:22
room to then go and sleep. So I didn't have snorers.
1:00:24
Yeah. Wow.
1:00:25
Like all three of them are like jet engines.
1:00:28
I can see that absolutely. I didn't.
1:00:30
I don't expect that from Drew, but other two, yeah, I can kind.
1:00:34
Of yeah, it's listen, all of them.
1:00:36
I think Sam is probably the worst.
1:00:38
I know they're all the same. There's a different way.
1:00:43
Different. Flavours.
1:00:44
Sometimes I wake up and my throat hurts from storing so
1:00:47
bad. Well, that's because of a
1:00:48
different reason why your throat hurts, but.
1:00:50
I have to cut. That no.
1:00:52
Keep it in Simon, please. That's it, That's it.
1:00:56
Like, OK, all right, listen. She's done for.
1:00:58
She's dying because it's true. Yeah, I mean.
1:01:01
With every joke there's like a little.
1:01:03
Bit of truth. No, I was going to say as a
1:01:06
fellow big guy, I was bigger. It is a big person trait to
1:01:11
snore like a fucking jet engine. Yeah.
1:01:13
So like, obviously Sam and Mackie are a little bit bigger.
1:01:17
Jeff's on his way, so like. Will called them the big.
1:01:21
Ones, yeah, I'm like. You know Will called Mackie, Sam
1:01:26
and Mackie. The big one.
1:01:27
Oh yeah. We had.
1:01:28
A. A.
1:01:28
A working title. Oh man, he might be mad if this
1:01:31
isn't. Right.
1:01:32
Can you say that again? He was a working title on one of
1:01:35
the songs was Big Ones because because Will referred to Mackie
1:01:38
and Sam as the Big. Ones they're so.
1:01:41
Fucked. Up.
1:01:42
I can't remember. What I know they were they were
1:01:45
needing to go somewhere and someone was like hurry up and
1:01:48
Will goes don't rush them. They're the.
1:01:50
Big we were, we were outside of the bottom level where they were
1:01:53
tracking and I was like filming them doing something that we'd
1:01:56
even end up using. And I think that's what it was
1:01:59
because they're going back inside from being outside in the
1:02:01
cold. And he's like, yeah, the big
1:02:02
ones. Yeah, they stopped them dead in
1:02:04
their tracks and they're like. They're like, no, you said that
1:02:06
to me, I mean. Like they're just big.
1:02:11
They're just big. They don't have any shamer, but
1:02:14
it is really, really funny to hear it.
1:02:16
When you just so shamelessly. Big ones.
1:02:18
I mean, fucking Sam's fucking. He's tall.
1:02:22
He's he's. Like how tall is he?
1:02:24
Could be 6. Some He's Undertaker.
1:02:26
He's 6. 4 He's not 6. Some 6 some. 6 some he's pretty.
1:02:29
Tall. Yeah, he looks like the fucking
1:02:31
Undertaker. Yeah, in a good way.
1:02:33
I'm pretty. Sure, he was Undertaker for
1:02:35
Halloween was he was. Oh, I would love to see that.
1:02:37
Yeah, I'm still on this thing. I got who does the least loading
1:02:41
in. This guy again.
1:02:43
No fucking way. Shame.
1:02:45
It's like a bad. One day.
1:02:48
Shame. One day he was like, I'll ship a
1:02:50
package to you from UPS and we're just like gone in the
1:02:53
morning. We're like, cool, like.
1:02:54
Wait, what? You.
1:02:56
You were like, all right, time to load in.
1:02:57
He's like, actually I got to go ship a package and we're like.
1:02:59
Oh yeah? Well, OK, actually do you
1:03:02
remember orchestrate these? Yeah.
1:03:03
What do you mean? Like Orchestrate, Like I have to
1:03:06
do something, I'm going to save it until loading.
1:03:08
Yes and no. Most of the time, yes.
1:03:11
OK, here's the thing. If you're going to be in a
1:03:13
fucking band and you start again to a certain level, most of
1:03:16
these venues have people there. It's true.
1:03:19
That will be like, hey, literally they're talking about
1:03:21
let me, let me help. I still don't.
1:03:23
I still feel bad about it because I'm just I.
1:03:25
Don't. I don't drama the.
1:03:26
You've got the. I have a.
1:03:28
Lot of shit. You've always had a lot of shit,
1:03:30
I just assume this is it. But like, they're literally
1:03:32
standing there looking at us load in.
1:03:34
Yeah. And one day I was like, hey,
1:03:37
Tim, can you load in my stuff real quick?
1:03:40
And they're like, Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:03:41
It was it. It was.
1:03:43
It sometimes I'll arrive for like 10 seconds, look around and
1:03:47
go, alright, walk away. Yeah.
1:03:49
At the very least, you're a nuisance in the way.
1:03:51
Yeah. And like these guys are like
1:03:53
union. So they're like, no, you can't
1:03:54
touch it. Like there's also.
1:03:55
Union venues. So you're like.
1:03:57
Yeah, I've also been the guy that got paid to load in.
1:03:59
That's all you do. But I was gonna say, like, bring
1:04:02
it back. You've been in band for a long
1:04:03
time. You definitely didn't play these
1:04:05
venues always, no. Absolutely.
1:04:07
Then who wouldn't load in still pee?
1:04:10
No, that's kind of a newer development.
1:04:12
Yeah, it was probably. I think it's still pretty much
1:04:14
a, a shared event, but like for sure, like, you know,
1:04:16
definitely. Not I mean, but I.
1:04:18
Classic singer Singer ship. Not really, though I have
1:04:21
always, until most recently, pretty much contributed to load
1:04:24
in. I'm usually always there.
1:04:26
You don't do the classic singer thing, which is, oh, I'll do the
1:04:28
backdrop. Or or.
1:04:30
I'll pay my money, get the backdrop in real early and then
1:04:33
spend fucking 15 minutes talking to the guy about the backdrop
1:04:37
and just doing this a bit and then seeing all the rest of the
1:04:40
game. Emma loads in like merch too.
1:04:42
Yeah, I'm like the base, I guess you could say the merch manager
1:04:45
of the band. So like I do all of that and
1:04:47
it's not like I'm not doing Shake you.
1:04:49
Know no, yeah, it just it is definitely a more new
1:04:51
development with him just like yeah.
1:04:53
And I back it if it's, you know, you're at these venues where
1:04:56
people do stuff. I just wanted, I wanted someone
1:04:58
done for someone anyway, Who's the liability?
1:05:01
As far as? Just in general, like on tour or
1:05:04
whatever, is anyone a liability? Like we've got to leave?
1:05:07
Where the fuck is this? Oh, Maggie.
1:05:10
Really. Maggie, brother, dude, you ever
1:05:13
just been sitting on the wagon and be like, be like, hey, oh,
1:05:16
we gotta leave in like 20 minutes.
1:05:19
Where's Mackie talking to listen?
1:05:21
We love Mackie. He's the great, one of the
1:05:23
nicest guy, one of the best bass players ever.
1:05:26
He bass. Player.
1:05:26
He is a bass player's bass player, but he can he's he's
1:05:30
from New York, he can talk for hours.
1:05:33
It's a superpower and A and A and a nuisance at the same time.
1:05:37
Sometimes you. Know he's just away chatting to
1:05:39
someone, literally. Oh yeah.
1:05:41
He's making friends everywhere he goes, Yeah.
1:05:43
Awesome. I met Mackie when he was in
1:05:44
Vatican. I fucking like we buried that
1:05:47
band by accident. I don't know why we took the
1:05:50
first Euro Tour. And then my band breaking up
1:05:53
immediately after. He talks about it a lot.
1:05:55
It was insane. I loved that band so much.
1:05:57
I mean. They're all doing shit now.
1:06:01
It's like a. Frame.
1:06:03
Yep. Fleshwater, vane, they're all in
1:06:05
doing. Their yeah, they're all doing
1:06:06
fine for sure. Nothing like you.
1:06:10
There's a lyric here. Oh wow.
1:06:11
I promise to be nothing like you when I hate myself the most.
1:06:16
Who's that about? It's about me and my father and
1:06:24
how how much I hate him, but I still have inherited a lot of
1:06:29
things about myself from him that I don't like.
1:06:33
Literally did a podcast yesterday and like 40 minutes of
1:06:36
it was about inherited vadnais from your dad.
1:06:42
So yeah, it's a very common thing.
1:06:46
I have a great relationship with my dad, but like I do see we're.
1:06:49
Flex man. As I say, can't relate.
1:06:52
Me and Pedro senior go back. Oh.
1:06:54
I just, I know he listens to the podcast.
1:06:56
He will like that. Yeah.
1:06:58
Hey, Dad, I'm cancelled. I do see what very few negative
1:07:02
things he did. I see them in me.
1:07:05
So especially with it fresh in my brain from the podcast
1:07:08
yesterday, it's like, I can't imagine what it's like to have
1:07:12
had a bad father and have that stuff in you you want to go into
1:07:17
that you don't want. To go into that, well, it's dark
1:07:20
obviously, but I think a lot, most of it is alcohol.
1:07:29
You know, My, we did, I did this record sober, which was the
1:07:32
first record I'd done sober. You know, I have taken many
1:07:37
sobriety breaks over the last couple years trying to, you
1:07:41
know, put everything in check and making sure that it's not
1:07:44
getting out of control. But I did a lot of reflecting
1:07:47
when writing this record and how when all of my worst parts of me
1:07:53
come out when I am, you know, like drinking too much.
1:07:56
And so that was very heavily influenced by that song.
1:08:02
Basically, that's all it's about.
1:08:04
Specifically alcohol. Pretty much, yeah.
1:08:06
Then there's another song which appears to be about your father.
1:08:10
There's 2/1. Well, there was.
1:08:12
Two, this is sad. Listen.
1:08:16
I mean, it's fine, we can joke about.
1:08:18
I think the only time I ever really feel anything about it is
1:08:21
like when I'm watching media where a dad is being nice, you
1:08:25
know, like that fucks me up or like nodding her head when
1:08:28
someone like can like in a movie is like daddy.
1:08:32
I'm like, I don't know what that feels like that Or like when
1:08:35
we're like writing, like when I was writing this stuff, like
1:08:38
that's really the only time that I ever like really deeply feel
1:08:41
about it. Otherwise, like I've done a lot
1:08:43
of healing. I've moved on and I don't
1:08:44
really, you know, it's not like hanging over my.
1:08:47
Head, there was a few times I'd walk in like upstairs and I'd be
1:08:50
like, you just got done crying, didn't you?
1:08:51
And she's like, Yep. Oh yeah, We've known each other.
1:08:54
We've known each other to like, joke about anything.
1:08:57
Too. I make jokes about your dad all
1:09:00
the. Time yeah I mean my dad is was a
1:09:03
great dad I feel like we had some turbulence for sure but
1:09:06
yeah I mean we have similar similar alcohol problems but
1:09:09
like yeah I mean there was some there's some hiccups there for
1:09:12
sure but. But you're a straight edge.
1:09:14
Yeah, everyone in the band is Straight Edge except for her.
1:09:17
Is that as a result we've seen? I've been straight edge since
1:09:22
meeting him and and middle school.
1:09:24
Well, you were like, haven't done anything.
1:09:26
Yeah, literally. Like I've never, I've never
1:09:28
smoked weed, I've never smoked a cigarette.
1:09:30
I've I've taken a sip of Corona beer once and spat it out 'cause
1:09:33
it was disgusting. Yeah, I got hungover and I was
1:09:36
like 13 and I was like, this sucks.
1:09:38
Yeah. You can get a hot hangover at 13
1:09:41
but. The some Mexicans were he has.
1:09:43
Crazy. I was with some Mexicans, man, I
1:09:46
don't know what to tell you. Oh.
1:09:47
Were you like an early, early bloomer to the yeah.
1:09:50
And I was like, substance abuse. Yeah, I was like, this stuff's
1:09:52
not cool. But yeah, I was like, it's, it
1:09:54
tastes gross. And they're like, yeah, it's not
1:09:56
supposed to taste good. It's supposed to get you fucked
1:09:57
up. I was like, why?
1:09:59
Like that doesn't sound fun at all.
1:10:00
Like no. Congrats guys, you're welcome.
1:10:03
We got, we got X's on, we got X's everywhere but.
1:10:05
It's all good. I'm really happy for you.
1:10:08
What were you guys? What were you up to smoking?
1:10:10
Weed and then my cousins were mostly all gang bangers.
1:10:14
So like at the cookout? Well, at the Carne Asada, you
1:10:18
know, couple beers, couple packs of beers and shit like that, so.
1:10:22
And then one day, one day you're a 13 year old with a headache
1:10:26
like man. Yeah.
1:10:28
And then partly that and going back to Dad's stuff, he was just
1:10:32
like, I don't like you doing that.
1:10:34
And I was like, and that fear of like, letting my dad down was
1:10:37
just like, oh, OK, never mind. And then I heard have.
1:10:41
And then I heard have heart. And I was like, OK, yeah,
1:10:43
there's more people like me. Never mind.
1:10:44
What was your relationship with your dad like?
1:10:48
Definitely like the older you get I feel like the more you
1:10:52
understand your parents were just people too.
1:10:54
It's. Like.
1:10:55
People who just happen to have kids and like, now I'm just
1:10:59
like, like you said, like the little bad things are like
1:11:02
coming out now. I'm just like, oh, that's like,
1:11:03
that's Pedro. And it's like you kind of like
1:11:07
feel more like I understand you more.
1:11:10
Have you got brothers and sisters?
1:11:11
The oldest, yeah. You're the oldest, Yeah.
1:11:13
So one thing I've noticed from just knowing people who are
1:11:16
either like the only child or the oldest, particularly the
1:11:21
oldest, where their parents were quite young.
1:11:25
They have this sort of sometimes have this moment where they hate
1:11:31
their parents and then they get old enough to go.
1:11:35
You were you were just a person and literally you didn't know
1:11:39
what you were doing. Whereas I'm like second kid.
1:11:42
So like they practice on my sister.
1:11:44
Yeah, yeah, my. Sister probably fucking hates
1:11:46
them. I'm like, these guys are sick,
1:11:48
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:11:49
For. Sure.
1:11:50
I have an older brother and a twin sister.
1:11:52
So like I don't, I don't know that that perspective of it.
1:11:55
I'm not as I'm not a psychologist but pretty sure I
1:11:58
just did some sick something there.
1:12:00
Yeah, something going on? Yeah.
1:12:02
OK, so joy in the blur also. About that, Yep.
1:12:06
It's a fucking banger line though.
1:12:07
Unloved since birth. My father's curse.
1:12:10
Thank you. So sick is that That's got a
1:12:12
bastard line in it as well. Yeah, What song is this?
1:12:15
I'll emerge the shepherd. The drums break.
1:12:17
Yeah, that's the way. It's the line is I will emerge
1:12:20
the shepherd that butchers the black sheep, unloved.
1:12:23
Yeah, something like that. What's the bastard?
1:12:25
Line though. I'll emerge the shepherd that
1:12:27
butchers the black sheep. Cursed at birth with the mark of
1:12:31
a bastard. Yeah, I can't remember.
1:12:33
Oh, cursed at birth with the mark of a bastard.
1:12:35
Unloved I disavow which is very counterparts.
1:12:37
And that end part A. Little bit of hate breed in
1:12:40
there as well. Anytime I.
1:12:41
Hear that was the inspiration was the the hate breed of it,
1:12:46
Yeah. Fucking Jousta lyrics so fucking
1:12:49
good. Speaking of unloved top three
1:12:52
hate. One of the top. 100.
1:12:53
Percent, yeah. 100%, yeah. The.
1:12:55
Fucking breakdown the the. The.
1:12:58
I was born and loved right? Come on, it's like really deep
1:13:01
in the album too, so you're like, it's like a underrated
1:13:04
song. It's so good.
1:13:05
The deep cut. Yeah, yeah.
1:13:06
That was like, I was like, I wanna like, you know, obviously
1:13:11
inspired by that. I I was it was hard not to like
1:13:14
directly RIP it using the word unloved.
1:13:16
Perseverance is like one of very few genuine no skips.
1:13:22
Yeah, I. Mean a.
1:13:23
Call for blood is my. Favorite 2 records?
1:13:25
Yeah, first 3 records honestly. A call for Blood and Unloved.
1:13:29
Best two breakdowns on the album Just.
1:13:31
Proven Camp Canada. Smash your enemies.
1:13:34
I don't know if he's ever addressed it, but like it is an
1:13:37
in teamed riff. Like exactly.
1:13:40
I'm like, I don't know because he has been on his show the.
1:13:44
Opening the opening riff. The Dana, the Dana.
1:13:48
It's a it's an entom song. The song, I think it's on.
1:13:52
It's not on Left Hand Path, so no one knows.
1:13:55
Yeah, it's on Clandestine and it's literally the Dana.
1:14:00
The Dana. Man, Sean Martin is pulling from
1:14:03
some. Including the little bit with
1:14:05
the kicks, like the whole thing is like note for note.
1:14:08
That's sick. But I don't know.
1:14:10
He has a thing on his show which is like, no, our bit goes like
1:14:13
this, Their bit goes like this. I don't know if that was because
1:14:15
of that song, but that's a banger.
1:14:17
You guys should do a podcast together.
1:14:19
He I met him for the first time in the summer and he said that
1:14:22
he said some very nice things about.
1:14:23
Super Nas guys. I said some very nice things
1:14:26
about his because without his fucking me hard law.
1:14:29
None of those. Yeah, right.
1:14:31
Yeah. We went, we went on tour with
1:14:32
them. They're awesome too.
1:14:34
Yeah, we, I saw, I saw him once. I literally saw him.
1:14:36
Like, I mean, not obviously when he was playing, but like I met
1:14:40
him once and didn't really see him the rest of the time when he
1:14:42
was playing. But yeah.
1:14:43
I always like really really related to him and in fact
1:14:46
probably his. He's probably why I got into
1:14:50
hardcore because he did head bangers ball and he seemed to
1:14:55
genuinely like metal, which I was into at the time, like real
1:15:00
fucking metal metal. And I was like, I pissed, you
1:15:03
know, his band was on a couple of times.
1:15:04
I was pretty sick. I'll check it out.
1:15:06
Just assuming it's metal. When I was like, this is a bit,
1:15:10
this is a bit punky, this is a bit punky.
1:15:13
I'll check this out. Guys are fucking goat.
1:15:15
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's Shout.
1:15:17
Out. That's one of my.
1:15:17
Favorite bands? That's one of the like the
1:15:19
universally agreed upon like band.
1:15:21
It's a universal truth of dying Wash.
1:15:23
For sure, I don't know because I don't really spend enough time
1:15:26
hanging out with like cool hardcore people because I play
1:15:29
straight from the path. But do people like the latest
1:15:33
stuff? The hate breed stuff?
1:15:35
No, you guys. People it goes, I mean,
1:15:38
everything up until brutality or the rise of brutality, and then
1:15:42
after that you'll get some pretty mixed opinions, yeah.
1:15:44
Because I think there's some absolute bangers after that.
1:15:47
Bleed now, yeah. Great, great song dude. 77
1:15:51
enemies. Great song, great song.
1:15:53
Concrete, confessional, like supremacy.
1:15:56
There's like some of the biggest best hate breed songs in those
1:16:00
albums. Well, they just really, they're
1:16:02
like terror in the way where they just really stick to the
1:16:04
formula. And so you're probably gonna
1:16:06
have one or two good songs on every album.
1:16:09
Yeah, no matter what album it is, I think.
1:16:12
Yeah. And maybe if they came out in
1:16:14
reverse order, we'd be saying the same thing.
1:16:16
Like yeah, there's no skips on concrete confessional, but there
1:16:20
is some birds of. I think that we're treading into
1:16:23
that period of our career where people want to claim that they
1:16:27
only liked our early stuff now that we're about to come out
1:16:29
with our third album. I'm fucking wrong.
1:16:31
I'm. Seeing no offense, but there's.
1:16:33
No, it's like we're, it's been 4 years.
1:16:36
Like we've really like, that's crazy.
1:16:38
Yeah, it's first EP. Cool guy, Hardcore.
1:16:40
Yeah, you're gonna get it. Well.
1:16:42
You know, I just think like the first two records there was like
1:16:46
an obvious like Nod to the Kill switch and Lamb of God sound and
1:16:52
all of that. And like, we still do that, but
1:16:54
we wanted to like take a risk and try new things because no
1:16:58
band, no artist wants to make the same record 3 times.
1:17:01
And that's why, you know, we went to Will and yeah, so I just
1:17:05
think that we're treading into that period where people are
1:17:07
like, oh, I like the. I like the first two albums, but
1:17:09
I don't like the new sound. That's how you know you're
1:17:11
getting big, though. That's literally what I like.
1:17:14
We're not abandoning. Like there's still song.
1:17:17
I feel like there's still songs that have that like feel.
1:17:20
Yeah, this is this is my favorite Iron Wish record hands
1:17:23
down. And I like the fact from like a
1:17:27
production point of view, which like I I didn't know it was will
1:17:31
not Randy until I listened to a couple of times and there was a
1:17:34
couple of like trademark will things and the tone.
1:17:38
But I do like the way that everything except the snare drum
1:17:43
is like very modern but will Putney modern.
1:17:47
So it's like the guitar tones are disgusting, then the snare
1:17:51
tone is still that like throwback.
1:17:54
Ping. I had to listen.
1:17:56
I was listening to it because I love.
1:17:58
I love like a pingy snare, No? No.
1:18:02
No dampening whatsoever. Like that's your.
1:18:05
Snare, like I love those kind of snares, like, you know, the
1:18:08
classic death metal like slam snares because there was a on
1:18:13
the last song, there's like a part where it goes like it does
1:18:15
like a three snare hit into a, into a breakdown.
1:18:17
And he put like a, he put like a, a sample over it or whatever.
1:18:21
And I was like, do that over every single snare hit in the
1:18:25
entire album. And he's like, no, we're not a
1:18:27
slam band. It doesn't it's not going to
1:18:28
sound cool. And then like 5 minutes later,
1:18:30
so like he was like wait, never mind.
1:18:33
This is sick. Yeah.
1:18:34
It actually is really cool, yeah.
1:18:35
We did that on the last Stray album, but it is actually the
1:18:39
same Angus now. Yeah, on the across the whole
1:18:41
album and you can only hear it. You can only recognise because
1:18:44
it's underneath the real snare. You can only hear it when
1:18:47
there's a gap where there's a snare, like before the gap.
1:18:51
You can hear that. Wow.
1:18:53
Yeah. Like just just coming into the
1:18:55
gap. The.
1:18:55
Lars Ulrich, Signature. Whatever he used on saying we
1:18:58
took the snare from Frantic, I had it underneath.
1:19:01
I have that snare now, the Lars Ulrich signature because I was
1:19:04
like, I need like, I love a steel like just that's kind of
1:19:07
fucking cool. Any kind of any kind of metal
1:19:09
snare, like I think just sounds better.
1:19:10
But yeah, when we were testing out snares, it was like the
1:19:14
fucking giant bronze VK. Yeah, snare just always 1-2.
1:19:18
And I was just like, tune it high and like put very little
1:19:21
dampening on it and all this other kind of stuff is that.
1:19:23
What you used? Sorry guys if you bought.
1:19:25
VK yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah because like they have there's
1:19:30
like 30 snares to choose from and I'm like I, I like we were
1:19:33
testing out like some Ludwig ones and like the bell brass and
1:19:38
then the VK I was like the VK just wins every time like I, I
1:19:41
can't, I'm. A nightmare at all with though.
1:19:44
I mean, yeah, they weigh 50 lbs. But like, even then they're
1:19:47
like, if one thing detunes while you're playing, the other side
1:19:52
detunes as well. Like it's a real nightmare.
1:19:54
Great for tracking. Yeah, like blocked it to fuck.
1:19:57
Anyway, everyone's bored. We did the drum bit.
1:20:00
Jeff's on there. We had to get it out.
1:20:01
You're welcome, Jeff. Yes, on the downbeat.
1:20:05
We'll get a single. We'll get a single episode soon.
1:20:07
There. We got that.
1:20:08
OK, I would love that. There you go.
1:20:09
I could light it properly. It would look nice.
1:20:11
It wouldn't. Be as hot, yeah.
1:20:13
True, it wouldn't be as it would be more hot because we're gonna
1:20:15
fucking fuck each other. My God.
1:20:18
OK. You're one of the most
1:20:19
attractive people I've ever seen, so I gotta.
1:20:21
Cut that, Simon. No, leave it.
1:20:24
He's a. Handsome.
1:20:25
Guy, leave it. You can't.
1:20:26
I'm gonna start because I'm cancers, so you can jump on if
1:20:29
you want. Jeff's hammer.
1:20:30
Sorry, we're. Gonna start to relax.
1:20:32
Relax. Yeah, you got Hammer.
1:20:34
I'm not saying anything about this.
1:20:35
You guys can speak. For US Hammer full reference.
1:20:38
I've known this. I've known this guy forever.
1:20:41
Hammer. Gigantic.
1:20:43
Really. Yeah, uncut Hammer Such a niche,
1:20:47
bro. You can make so much.
1:20:48
Uncut Gems, But it's really just about Jeff.
1:20:50
Where's the? Camera uncut Jeffs uncut Jeffs
1:20:54
uncut Jeffs. Good for you bro.
1:20:56
No comment on. That we speak for you, girth.
1:20:59
As well as length. Yeah, I wish.
1:21:03
I wish this was a. Bit I'm.
1:21:05
Not joking. The only thing I'll say right
1:21:07
now is he has literally just a picture of it.
1:21:10
He he it's in his favorites or some shit like he.
1:21:12
It's the first picture of my favorite album.
1:21:14
You want to see it? Am I loud?
1:21:16
You want to see it on the podcast right now, live.
1:21:19
I want to see it, but I don't care.
1:21:21
It's a pretty insane picture. Is it erect?
1:21:24
Dude, it's full steam. Full steam.
1:21:27
Ahead, hit me. Fuck, yeah, yeah, that's what
1:21:36
I'm saying. And he this is like.
1:21:38
We call him the ball, too. That's Jeff's.
1:21:41
Nickname and that's and that's uncut full sensitivity as well.
1:21:44
You are. That's what I'm.
1:21:45
Saying hey, thanks man. Yeah.
1:21:46
All right. Good for you.
1:21:47
Is that real? It's more sensitive.
1:21:49
Yeah, because it's not like I. Mean, I don't know, I'm uncut,
1:21:52
but yeah. It's not rubbing around in your
1:21:54
fucking pants all day getting decent stories.
1:21:58
And when, like when you get that first suck, it's insane.
1:22:02
Science. With 13, yeah, yeah.
1:22:05
Yeah, that was a great segment. OK.
1:22:09
It's a great segment, title track.
1:22:11
Who's it about? Wait.
1:22:15
Oh, I was like, what is the title and.
1:22:20
Last final album. Let me give you a.
1:22:22
We actually wrote, yeah, give us a line.
1:22:24
I'll give you a line. Lonely to my core.
1:22:28
I've never been loved before, is it?
1:22:31
I've been. I've been loved before.
1:22:33
Desire rotting from within, Saved by your touch, A Sinner
1:22:36
born again, begging for your liberation.
1:22:38
Jeremy. Pretty horny huh?
1:22:39
Is this? About Jeremy.
1:22:41
Yeah, We wrote this song on Valentine's Day, and so he wrote
1:22:46
it about Lindsay, his partner. I wrote it about Jeremy, and
1:22:48
then we just. Yeah, title track.
1:22:51
I didn't know that. The title.
1:22:52
The working title. The working title was type stuff
1:22:57
Negative. Type what?
1:22:59
Type stuff. Negative was a working title.
1:23:01
It literally because it's. Very typo.
1:23:03
Very. Liked it?
1:23:05
Yeah. Twitching tonguesy.
1:23:06
Too. Was it always going to be the
1:23:07
last track? Because it has big Oh, it's
1:23:09
second, second to last. Is it?
1:23:10
It's the last, the last track, Yeah, yeah.
1:23:12
Is it always going to be last track because it has big last
1:23:15
track energy? Yeah, I think that's kind of how
1:23:17
we saw when we listened to her like this would be a good editor
1:23:19
because that. I think they wrote it with that
1:23:21
in mind as well. The breakdown at the end is
1:23:22
like, what do you do after that? I didn't know if that was a will
1:23:25
thing because I feel like every album we've done with Will, the
1:23:28
last track is always if you put it in the middle of the album,
1:23:31
you're cooked. Yeah, that would.
1:23:33
You got to have a strong opener, stronger.
1:23:36
Yeah, we're we're big about that.
1:23:37
Isn't it annoying though, because I'm most proud of most
1:23:40
of our last tracks and it's like quite a lot of people just don't
1:23:43
get there. Yeah, what's funny is that like
1:23:46
our first album, people love the last track.
1:23:49
Drowning. Drowning like yeah, it's in the
1:23:51
comments. People would be like, I hope
1:23:53
they play this live and it's like.
1:23:55
Was it a single? No, no, Sam.
1:23:57
Every time it gets brought up, Sam's like, shut up.
1:23:59
Why? Why did they love it so much?
1:24:01
I don't, I don't know. It's a good song.
1:24:03
It's a great it's. Like definitely the most.
1:24:05
I feel like it's the most different one on that album.
1:24:07
Maybe, yeah. But, and maybe that's why, but I
1:24:09
couldn't tell you, it's cool. I still like every time.
1:24:12
I like whenever I listen to. I'm like, this is a good song.
1:24:16
And also Lost in the Fall is like like one of my favorite
1:24:19
songs that we've ever done. Huge last track, yeah.
1:24:22
That was a good one. Love a last track, big fan.
1:24:25
I've always been. There's one thing I've never got
1:24:27
to do on Stray but like I always wanted to RIP off remember.
1:24:33
I don't even know if it's the last track, but Darkest Hour
1:24:37
Undoing ruin. Anyone a big fan?
1:24:39
Yes. Come on call guys.
1:24:41
Yeah, wait. And Jeremy and.
1:24:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And.
1:24:45
But like, I think it might even just be maybe the end of that
1:24:48
first banger track or it's the end of the second track or it is
1:24:52
the end of the album. I can't remember.
1:24:53
Undoing Ruin. OK, Darkest hour it.
1:24:56
Has. I've never got into them, so I
1:24:58
don't. Know it has, ma'am.
1:25:00
He was like Lamb of God. Was a lot Darkest Hour that that
1:25:04
band kind of gets lost. There's a lot of bands lost.
1:25:06
There's a lot of bands on. Just like I never, never get
1:25:09
tried. I don't know there's.
1:25:10
A you got undo ruin is that's now say top five for me.
1:25:16
There's not that many breakdowns, so I think don't
1:25:18
think Jeff will like it. Oh, really?
1:25:19
Yeah. There has to be risky.
1:25:20
There has to. Be some more risk, it's more
1:25:22
like. There's very like, very so like
1:25:25
I'm very selective about like death metal, like type stuff
1:25:27
'cause if it's just blasting and like whatever the whole time I'm
1:25:30
like I, I get I. Need some?
1:25:31
I need a yeah, I need a like a groovy or something that
1:25:35
happened for me to be like still engaged with it.
1:25:37
Yeah. So like there has to be some
1:25:39
kind of pay off in in in either of these songs.
1:25:42
But the sorry, what suffocation? Yeah, that's the one.
1:25:48
Yeah. But anyway, on this undoing ruin
1:25:49
song, it fades out. Classic fade out thing, but it
1:25:56
pitch shifts once the whole riff and music, but the drums stay
1:26:02
the same on the fade out and it's so fucking corn.
1:26:05
I've always wanted to RIP it off do.
1:26:06
You ever get to? I see.
1:26:07
Yeah, I'd be sick. The other one that I did RIP off
1:26:09
was Does anyone know the song the back, the background world
1:26:13
by 9 inch Nails. I didn't get to RIP myself.
1:26:17
I tried to RIP something. The last one everyone was like,
1:26:18
oh it's no, it's too weird. It was on one of Nine Inch Nails
1:26:23
EPS. Maybe it's ad violence, I can't
1:26:25
remember. It has like a pause at the end.
1:26:29
So it's like, but that little gap is not the length of music.
1:26:41
It's like it wrong. So it sounds like it's just
1:26:44
skipping, skipping. It's like a glitch.
1:26:46
It's not a bar of five added to the end of four four.
1:26:49
It's not a bar of six. It's not a bar of anything.
1:26:51
It's like, it's like someone just went like that.
1:26:54
That makes sense. 9 inch nails is doing something like that,
1:26:57
but it. Doesn't go like it just is awful
1:27:01
like on purpose sounds like the song is going wrong and it's so
1:27:05
fucking second. Every time I've tried to
1:27:06
shoehorn it in where has been like, OK, we can do because it
1:27:10
gets progressively more and more like distorted every time it
1:27:14
does it. It was like we can do that bit,
1:27:15
but we've never actually fit the horrifically out of time.
1:27:21
And it's probably a great decision on his part, but I urge
1:27:24
everyone to check that out. Those two songs true.
1:27:27
We figured out that, remember yesterday we were doing the
1:27:31
thing with Sam where he was like, there's no way you tracked
1:27:34
this to a click. The beginning of revenge and
1:27:36
carnage. Oh yeah, yeah.
1:27:38
We're trying to figure out how to.
1:27:39
Like I'm thinking back to it and I'm like, I don't think I
1:27:42
tracked this to a click. Now that I think about it, that
1:27:44
makes sense because it doesn't. Like the click doesn't come
1:27:47
until the after revenge. The drums come in basically.
1:27:52
Yeah. So it's yeah.
1:27:53
The line. Yeah, so I just went revenge and
1:27:58
without any any like. Metronome out of time with them.
1:28:02
Yeah, it's. Just I just did it.
1:28:04
What Sam going to do live? We're trying to figure out we're
1:28:07
trying to figure out Sam and her we're going out like going
1:28:10
talking about it for like 10 minutes and we're he's just like
1:28:13
this makes no sense. I don't know what you're.
1:28:15
I don't know what you guys did. I have no idea.
1:28:17
I. Was like, I could have sworn we
1:28:19
did it like and then he tried to put a metronome to it and I was
1:28:22
like, oh. Yeah, I know.
1:28:23
That's more. We we figured it out.
1:28:26
Yeah, but I'm just starting the song I'm going to do like the
1:28:28
corpse grinder thing, like this song is called.
1:28:31
Raven. And then starts it.
1:28:34
Give it a second and carnage. So you're the queue.
1:28:37
There's one other thing you could do though.
1:28:40
You've forgotten about a little known app that you can get to
1:28:43
figure this out called Steve Sided.
1:28:46
Oh yeah. He would have known what
1:28:48
happened and he can pull it up. You could.
1:28:50
We could do that. He would respond immediately
1:28:52
too. Or.
1:28:53
Best or we just play old school no click.
1:28:58
Are you the no click guy? I hate it when we went to in
1:29:01
ears. I honestly I hate it.
1:29:02
I did too. But you hate it.
1:29:05
But you play so much fucking better.
1:29:07
I told you when you weren't on the.
1:29:09
Play I was, I was. We were the both the most
1:29:11
apprehensive about it. I.
1:29:12
Was apprehensive. I just didn't want to.
1:29:14
Yeah. I mean, yeah, but like it makes
1:29:16
you play a four. You have to play better.
1:29:18
Like you can't afford not to. When you fuck up, it's so minute
1:29:25
compared to a fuck up without a click that you'll be like, I
1:29:28
mean, if you're anything like me, I'll be like, oh man, I
1:29:30
fucked that bit up. And then you see a video over
1:29:32
and it's like, oh, it's fine because everyone's still in
1:29:34
time. Yeah, you have progressed more
1:29:38
than any other drummer that I've ever seen.
1:29:41
Thank you. It's true.
1:29:41
Literally didn't I never. I never warmed up at all until
1:29:46
we toured together and you're like, do this.
1:29:49
And I was like, I've just never. I've never stressed.
1:29:51
I never remember that. I never did anything.
1:29:53
Can't remember where we were but you were stressing about some
1:29:56
parts and I was like, do you warm up?
1:29:57
And you'd be like, Nope. Yeah.
1:29:58
Literally this. Is what I do.
1:30:00
And then that night you played the best I've ever seen.
1:30:02
You play that. Was in Detroit.
1:30:04
Yeah, Tom said the same thing. But like now I have to like
1:30:07
spend at least like 20 minutes stretching.
1:30:10
And like I think you said, like you don't want to go into the
1:30:13
set never playing drunk. Like it.
1:30:15
You need to like be warm and like actually you can't go into
1:30:18
it cold because like, yeah, I don't I wouldn't play my double
1:30:21
bass like super. Accurate.
1:30:23
There's no fluid in your joints or muscles and you spend 3
1:30:27
songs. Trying to build it back.
1:30:28
Up. Yeah, warming up like I did the
1:30:31
last all we did. I did a few shows at the start.
1:30:34
I'm checked out and where like I was like, I'm not gonna warm up.
1:30:38
And it was just like the minute I started I was like, Oh my God,
1:30:42
this fucking sucks. I have to go back to warm.
1:30:44
Yeah, I'm like, I'm 30 now, about to be 31.
1:30:47
I need to be doing. I need to be like actually.
1:30:49
Still a baby. I guess.
1:30:51
How old are you guys? I'm the baby, I turn 31 next
1:30:54
week. We're all.
1:30:55
Relatively the same age. Mackie's the oldest.
1:30:57
I think he's 32. Oldest folk.
1:30:59
You warm up, you got azazazazaz. Yeah, everyone knows they sing
1:31:03
along. I love those.
1:31:05
Have you got the classic one? I do the Jacobs Vocal Academy.
1:31:08
Does that include? It starts with.
1:31:16
Do we? We'll do it.
1:31:17
We'll do it along with her, yeah.
1:31:19
Yep, It makes it fun because I used to.
1:31:21
I used to be like embarrassed. I'm going to be so annoying.
1:31:24
Everyone's going to be listening to me warm up.
1:31:26
What if I don't sing it on pitch?
1:31:27
And then I just was like, why am I afraid to warm up with scales
1:31:31
and shouting? And then I go on stage like,
1:31:35
yeah, so I just started doing it in the green room.
1:31:37
And I was also just like, fuck you, it's in my green room.
1:31:39
What I love is when you do when you do one of those festivals
1:31:42
where it's like open air backstages and you can because
1:31:46
everyone's on different stages, but all the fair like all the
1:31:49
bands are in the same like compound.
1:31:51
So at any one time there's like 6 different warmups happening.
1:31:55
I am, I am guilty of joining in with someone I've never met
1:31:58
before. It's a.
1:32:00
Good ice. Breaker from like no they're
1:32:01
like 4 doors down and I can hear them going and I'll go.
1:32:10
I love it. That was a great patch.
1:32:11
I play, it was good, it was good.
1:32:13
Been thinking about it. Singing for a man.
1:32:16
No, not even a ban. I'm thinking about making some
1:32:18
thinking, some music. Some rap.
1:32:19
Hip hip racist. Oh, there we go.
1:32:23
Oh. Man.
1:32:24
I'm all in, yeah. You could join the band I get
1:32:28
away with. He has a band.
1:32:30
I have like four other people we have. 4 races.
1:32:32
Junk yards. We have.
1:32:33
Kings of pain. Kings, this is a joke, guys,
1:32:35
Yeah. Kings of pain which?
1:32:37
Is. It I'm joking.
1:32:39
Kings of Pain, which is a straight edge band with straight
1:32:41
edge races. We have a fully pee.
1:32:42
We have a fully pee. It hasn't released.
1:32:44
We don't have it. We wrote it in COVID like.
1:32:47
Yeah, we you guys played the record, Release shows.
1:32:50
Yeah, we played one show. We open that show and we
1:32:54
demolished anguish that night. Really.
1:32:56
Yeah. Yeah, the weapon X effect, yeah.
1:32:59
It's like it's like a. Straight edge.
1:33:01
Yeah, it's yeah. There you go.
1:33:03
It sounds like unit 731 and like I.
1:33:06
Don't know throw. Down Shattered Realm, Yeah.
1:33:08
Yeah, but P like you like improvised all the lyrics.
1:33:13
Yeah, so they're. They're nonsense, but.
1:33:15
You don't make any. They're not nonsense.
1:33:17
They're it's poetry in motion, that's what.
1:33:19
It is God. That's what it is.
1:33:20
That's fucking awesome, yeah. But I have an opening for
1:33:23
another drummer in my other band called Junkyard Felon.
1:33:26
Drunk Yard Felon, Yeah. Am I the manager or the bass
1:33:29
player for Junkyard Felon I? Forget both.
1:33:32
This sounds like a joke. No, it's real.
1:33:35
It's the most serious. He's been talking about it for
1:33:37
the last year. Yeah, once dying.
1:33:38
Was not a straight edge though. No, this is not a straight edge
1:33:41
band. This is like a beer and
1:33:43
cigarettes inside. Like a drop kick.
1:33:45
Murphy's fight. Yeah, but like, harder.
1:33:47
So I'm like. Harder.
1:33:48
Like oy shit. Spin kick my face like.
1:33:51
No, like more or less like, you know, lace up your boots, make
1:33:54
sure they're white laces, and then like start running, you
1:33:56
know? I don't know if I can be in that
1:33:59
band. Put a head on right now.
1:34:02
Thought about shaking my head for the bit.
1:34:05
To lean in. It's all a fucking joke guys.
1:34:10
So you got this poppy run is it then straight into UK?
1:34:18
Basically, no, we have like we. Have three weeks, 3 weeks.
1:34:21
But UK goes straight into headliner.
1:34:23
You have like 4 days in between the UK.
1:34:25
We one of them is a travel day and then we rehearse and then we
1:34:28
start the tour. So let's plug some of this.
1:34:30
So you're doing these poppy shows now, which will probably
1:34:33
you'll be at the tail end of when this comes out.
1:34:36
Then you're doing the greatest lineup.
1:34:38
It's crazy. I've ever seen shout out.
1:34:41
Malevolence. Yeah malevolence speed, yeah,
1:34:43
since Psycho Frame, which is like crazy mix of bands I'd.
1:34:46
Be so pissed off if I was on that tour, 'cause I would be
1:34:48
forced to watch every band. Yeah, yeah, I.
1:34:50
Love having a band I don't really like so I can just
1:34:53
fucking. Go and do something.
1:34:55
When Tom told us the lineup, I was like, yes, like why would we
1:34:58
not do that? That's insane.
1:34:59
Also shout out to malevolence for like knowing like what?
1:35:03
Malevolence. Are awesome.
1:35:04
Like all of those are good bands in their own respective genres
1:35:06
or whatever the fuck, but yeah, that means they're tapped in
1:35:10
like they know what's going. On Oh yeah.
1:35:11
Definitely. I remember, I think they
1:35:13
announced the venues before the lineup and I was like, yeah.
1:35:18
Because it was just them on the on the flyer.
1:35:20
Hometown shows sold out. Brixton, they announced, I think
1:35:23
they just announced maybe Brixton and Manchester or
1:35:27
something like that. And it was just them and I was
1:35:29
like, wow, like good for them, but shooting pretty high.
1:35:33
And then they announced the lineup and I was like, oh, oh,
1:35:35
that's. Why?
1:35:36
We're done. The The Manchester's show is
1:35:38
sold out, I'm pretty sure, yeah. It's gonna be, it's gonna be our
1:35:41
probably our favorite UK tour or like Europe tour, you know,
1:35:44
ever. It's gonna be the best show
1:35:46
anyone's ever seen in for a while.
1:35:47
Probably. Rickson's like 5000 people.
1:35:49
Maybe it's gonna be fun. We do really well in London as
1:35:52
well, yeah. Yeah, we don't do really well in
1:35:54
mainland, but you know. We have our markets, but Germany
1:35:57
is just certainly not. Really.
1:35:59
They don't like us at all. Dude, the last one we did the
1:36:02
the festival run last year of like that of like download and
1:36:05
all those are we we all wanted to kill her like it was.
1:36:08
We almost, we have never dropped a show.
1:36:11
Even if you know I'm sick or you're sick or we just play.
1:36:15
But the worst? We got to download and I think
1:36:19
we were like, we still have 2 1/2 weeks.
1:36:21
What if we just went home? Tom was like, Tom was like, you
1:36:24
know, I understand. Like if you guys want to come
1:36:26
home, I like, I understand like it's we'll be, we'll like lose
1:36:30
money. But if you guys actually want to
1:36:32
leave like it's OK. I get in trouble I quite a lot,
1:36:36
but I sort of pretend that I hate Germany as a bit because
1:36:41
it's very inconvenient country to talk and I really don't hate
1:36:45
it because we do really well there.
1:36:46
But people are furious when I say I hate Germany.
1:36:49
I don't know they. Don't got a good reputation.
1:36:52
For me, they do we. Oh my God, Craig.
1:36:55
Whoa. What blew my mind?
1:36:59
Or you know. It's.
1:37:02
It's a great, it's a funny joke. Jokes.
1:37:04
Yeah, they don't have a great reputation, but.
1:37:07
They did the big one as you. Would I think they did do the
1:37:09
big one, which I am again the. First big one anyways.
1:37:14
Again, just for the record, I think, you know, I, I love
1:37:18
Germany and I think Germany was slow with counterparts as well,
1:37:21
though maybe it's just a metal core like.
1:37:23
Metal core, it's just very slow for us and we're like ready for
1:37:27
it to not be slow. It will definitely.
1:37:29
They make you work for it, that's for sure.
1:37:31
Yeah, but then once you get it, oh, those tours, I can't wait 10
1:37:34
German days. Yeah, all the money, all the
1:37:37
fucking great. Shows like we, we definitely
1:37:39
don't like it and we say we don't like it, but like it's,
1:37:42
it's still sick to be in Germany or like in Europe, like you're
1:37:45
in Europe playing music like. Hey man, be more fucking
1:37:48
thankful Jesus Christ. I'm sorry to bring this up with
1:37:51
Jeremy in the room, but I heard a rumor that you 2.
1:37:56
Oh yeah. I'm so glad this is getting
1:37:59
brought up. That you 2 right?
1:38:02
And it's not. It's not a thing.
1:38:04
What do you mean us? I had a rumor that you 2 had a
1:38:07
thing and my sources tell me you 2 had a thing.
1:38:10
And if it's weird to talk about, I'm sorry.
1:38:12
Who's? Your source.
1:38:13
Yeah, who's your source? About that doesn't matter, I
1:38:15
can't get. Off the source.
1:38:16
I don't. I don't kiss and tell.
1:38:17
On the outside of it, I don't. Know so you kissed.
1:38:20
I wouldn't call it a thing. What's the thing, Jeff?
1:38:23
Tell me what The thing is. Yeah.
1:38:24
Can this be said? It's just someone told me like
1:38:26
you should bring this up. She's married, he's basically
1:38:29
married. Like it doesn't matter like but
1:38:30
in middle school they for sure kissed made out.
1:38:33
I don't know what, I don't know what else happened, but they for
1:38:35
sure kissed each. Other we for sure weren't there.
1:38:37
Yeah, you weren't. Yeah.
1:38:38
I don't know man, do. You want Jeremy.
1:38:41
How do you feel about this that? Was before my time, that's true.
1:38:46
Are you all comfortable in being on tour together?
1:38:48
You don't think there's any high jinx?
1:38:50
Hygiene really good. Work.
1:38:52
Yeah, I don't know what to. OK, well, I've.
1:38:54
Been more I've been more worried to get huge Dom.
1:38:57
Yes, me too. This started because P and I
1:39:01
flirt a lot. It too much, yeah.
1:39:05
And it is really funny. It's a great bit.
1:39:07
So like, I love making my friends uncomfortable and one
1:39:10
day Emma just started leaning in with the flirty stuff and it
1:39:13
made the rest of them even more uncomfortable with my own
1:39:18
perverted jokes. Yeah, that's awesome.
1:39:20
So it. Didn't start with the kids in
1:39:22
school. So then I texted P and I said
1:39:27
hear me out. Yeah, I'm sure this happened.
1:39:29
We. Should tell everybody that we
1:39:31
have a a, a history and just go and see how long it goes and see
1:39:35
if everyone believes it and you bought it so fast.
1:39:38
And this has been a bit for like a.
1:39:40
Year and a half. I mean on the bit, I'm in on the
1:39:42
bit. Is this Tom?
1:39:44
Is this like Tom's revenge? No.
1:39:46
No, no, we. Literally just this is the P&E
1:39:49
production. So we're.
1:39:50
The same and Mac you not know either.
1:39:52
No. So they're fine.
1:39:53
They would find they found out yes, they're gonna find out how
1:39:55
this podcast is this a bit that's insane that's.
1:39:59
Crazy. It's been, it's been like a
1:40:01
year. It's been.
1:40:02
Some very long time. Oh yeah, about.
1:40:03
It. Immediately.
1:40:05
It's been like, it's been like at least three years.
1:40:09
I don't, I don't know you guys at all.
1:40:11
I don't know you guys at all. That's.
1:40:14
Crazy. So for the record, you made-up a
1:40:17
bit that you got together. He he's fully believed.
1:40:20
It everyone in the. Everybody, Sam and us all are
1:40:23
like because you, you guys kiss like.
1:40:26
Yeah, I mean, I will say the the flirting, Tom knows it's fake.
1:40:30
Yeah. That's crazy.
1:40:31
Thomas. Knows everything from
1:40:32
orchestrated this like I've been in on it as well.
1:40:35
Yeah, yeah, that's insane. I'm.
1:40:37
I'm pissed. You're.
1:40:39
Watching Punk. I thought this was like every
1:40:43
single person like including San and Mackey knew it was fake and
1:40:46
it's just. A No, no, no.
1:40:48
That would be me. That would be me.
1:40:50
Yeah, no. So.
1:40:51
Everybody. Finds out that's the truth.
1:40:52
That was a perfect reaction. Thank you that.
1:40:55
Was. That's exactly what I was
1:40:56
looking for you. Should clip that that's.
1:40:58
Gonna be totally worth it to make that bit for so long.
1:41:01
Yeah, I'm not gonna stop flirting with you, just so you
1:41:03
know. I mean, I might, but you know, I
1:41:06
wish. You're not really my type, but
1:41:07
you. Know now if you guys, if you
1:41:09
guys continue to do it, I'm just like, it's not real then like,
1:41:12
yeah. They're gonna make a new bit.
1:41:14
Well, yes, I guess when it's. Me and you, baby, it's me and.
1:41:16
You, Jeff. That's insane though.
1:41:18
I'm I'm so upset. She texted me.
1:41:24
When they came up with it and said she's like, I, I promise
1:41:27
it's not real. Yeah, no, it's not real.
1:41:30
Well, that's really, really funny.
1:41:32
Good stuff. And that will that will fill in
1:41:35
the two truths and a lie. Right, man, Yeah, what a way.
1:41:37
What a way to thing. And the party can end it there.
1:41:40
A fucking lie. Yeah, I completely with two
1:41:43
truths and a lie. This is just lie.
1:41:45
Oh, that's like a big OK, I guess that's a big lie, yeah.
1:41:48
Just a lie we love. Lying, we keep it 99.
1:41:51
That's crazy truth. Not the lie.
1:41:53
Make sure you go check out Dying Wish on tour.
1:41:56
Make sure you go check out their album Flesh Stays Together.
1:42:00
Very good band, very good friends of mine I fucking love.
1:42:03
You love you love you guys. Thanks for coming on.
1:42:06
Thanks for having. Us.
1:42:07
Yeah. I don't get to see you play
1:42:09
Nashville because I'm on tour. So.
1:42:11
So is Jeremy. What's the point?
1:42:13
Yeah, we don't even like bump into each other in any of these
1:42:17
euro tours. Would you think with Tom
1:42:19
managing us he would orchestrate?
1:42:21
He does do that a lot. Like we toured with Counterparts
1:42:23
so many times. Yeah, and we're splitting up so
1:42:26
we're never gonna get tour together again.
1:42:28
Well, at least we got 2 twice. Yeah, and I'll be fucking doing.
1:42:31
Before you were cancelled. Yeah, exactly.
1:42:34
Yeah, you can do it now. You could wait till you see when
1:42:38
you band tonight. I'm not doing music.
1:42:39
Fuck music. Junkyard Felon.
1:42:42
So junkyard felon. New record.
1:42:45
Kings, Kings. Crazy.
1:42:47
Kings of Pain EP 2027. Kings of pain, yeah.
1:42:51
With the Z with. The Z Kings.
1:42:53
Yeah, I. Can see the match already.
1:42:55
Straight edge man. I'll go straight edge for that.
1:42:58
One What's your favorite Kings of Pain lyric?
1:43:01
There's so many. Wow, this is a hot question.
1:43:09
Are these real lyrics? These are real lyrics.
1:43:12
There is a straight edge song. I'm just going to say all of
1:43:17
them. They're all.
1:43:18
Mean what? A diplomatic SO.
1:43:19
Much to me and everyone that's going to be affected when the EP
1:43:23
drops. In the podcast like this, that
1:43:25
sucks. We're going.
1:43:27
Goodbye, thank you. Bye.
1:43:28
Bye.