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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, I'll show you more anti Israel bile from nurses.
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Speaker 2: This time it's political, but it's outlandish.
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Speaker 1: You'll see it here first.
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Speaker 2: It's all wrong, this information, and it fuels hatred and division.
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Speaker 2: I'll also talk to a Muslim community leader and show
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Speaker 2: you how some people just will not condemn the nurses
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Speaker 2: facing criminal investigations over.
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Speaker 1: Their anti Jew rants.
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Speaker 2: The energy mess keeps getting worse, but the Climate and
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Speaker 2: Energy Minister is still obsessed with lame social media stunts.
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Speaker 2: Parliament has finished, it probably won't be back now till
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Speaker 2: after the election. All that, plus Alexander Downer, Tim Blair
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Speaker 2: and Mark Nicholson, let's get started. After the horrific anti
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Speaker 2: Jew hatred we saw from two nurses at Bankstown Hospital yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Tonight I'll show you some more anti Israel bile coming
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Speaker 2: from our nurses. This time it's political and it doesn't
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Speaker 2: wish anyone dead, but it demonstrates how much of the
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Speaker 2: vitriol on these issues comes from the political debate and
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Speaker 2: the union movement. But first, those putrid revelations from yesterday
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Speaker 2: continue to reverberate around this country and around the world.
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Speaker 2: After the nurses were sacked and police investigations proceed the
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Speaker 2: story has been covered prominently around the world, in the
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Speaker 2: UK and in the US, right across Europe and of
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Speaker 2: course in Israel as well. All this just adding to
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Speaker 2: Australia's growing reputation as a hotbed of anti Semitism. Now,
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned last night, with this jew hatred coming
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Speaker 2: from those two Muslim nurses Russia Nunda and Sarah Abu Lebda,
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Speaker 2: it raises the issue of Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 1: In our community, and I'll have more on that in
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Speaker 1: just a moment.
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Speaker 2: But the political debate also plays into this animosity, and
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Speaker 2: I want to show you how some activist nurses have
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Speaker 2: vented with volatile retoric against Israel within weeks of the
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Speaker 2: Hamas atrocity. On October seventh, twenty twenty three, Nurses and
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Speaker 2: Midwives for Palestine was formed. They claim to have eighty
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Speaker 2: members and here is one of their members, Mark speaking
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Speaker 2: last month.
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Speaker 3: The majority of us are union members New South Wales
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Speaker 3: versus and Midwives Association members. We remain disheartened that it
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Speaker 3: is only random.
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Speaker 4: File union members like ourselves that are standing up against
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Speaker 4: this ongoing genocide. Standing up for humanity and opposing genocide
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Speaker 4: is union business genocide.
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Speaker 1: Hey, and he's only just getting started.
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Speaker 2: Anyone who uses the word genocide against Israel is not
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Speaker 2: interested in facts, and he's only interested in demonizing Israel.
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Speaker 2: This bloke makes Israel out to be the devil incarnate to.
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Speaker 4: Highlight the ongoing genocide, metacide atrocities and war crimes like
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Speaker 4: the premeditator deliberate target and destruction of hospitals and healthcare
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Speaker 4: facilities in Gaza, the abduction, false imprisonment and torture of
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Speaker 4: thousands of healthcare workers, patients, and internally displaced persons. All
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Speaker 4: of this is being carried out by the Israeli military. Well,
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Speaker 4: let's just call them out for what they really.
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Speaker 1: Are, terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Remember, this man is a nurse and his group is
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Speaker 2: made up of nurses and midwives, and he's preaching mendacious hostility,
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Speaker 2: making allegations. If any of this were true, it would
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Speaker 2: spark outrage in any civilized person, But of course it's
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Speaker 2: not true. What this man spouts amounts to hummus propaganda
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Speaker 2: and anti Israel propaganda that's been so poisonous in this debate.
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Speaker 1: Now around the world for sixteen months.
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Speaker 2: In fact, he even quotes figures from the Gazan Ministry
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Speaker 2: of Health, which of course is controlled by hummus. Rants
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Speaker 2: like this, if they are believed, can only foster resentment
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Speaker 2: and anger in Gaza.
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Speaker 5: Rather than a place of sanctuary and a safe safe haven,
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Speaker 5: hospitals are death traps. Since October twenty twenty three, more
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Speaker 5: than five hundred healthcare professionals have been murdered, with over
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Speaker 5: a thousand abducted, illegally detained and subjected to torture.
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Speaker 4: These include doctors, nurses, midwise, physiotherapists, farmer this, social workers but.
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Speaker 6: Let's go on, ambulance off the team.
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Speaker 7: All of these shocking statistics continue to rise on an
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Speaker 7: hourly basis as the world does nothing to hold these
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Speaker 7: Israeli terrorists to account and bring this genocide to an end.
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Speaker 2: This is just shocking stuff, isn't it. Little wonder our
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Speaker 2: social cohesion is being tested. Little wonder that even in
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Speaker 2: our hospitals, hatred is rearing its ugly head. And yes,
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Speaker 2: much of this is fueled in our political debate too,
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Speaker 2: by the toxic rehetoric and claims of the Greens, and
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Speaker 2: by the weakness of labor, failing to call it out
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Speaker 2: strongly enough and too often blaming Israel rather than supporting it.
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Speaker 2: This Nurses and Midwives Palestine group has posted online today
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Speaker 2: its condemnation of the nurses exposed in the video yesterday,
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Speaker 2: and they point out the pair were not members of
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Speaker 2: their group. Fair enough, but the Nurses and Midwives for
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Speaker 2: Palestine ought to do a bit of research. They ought
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Speaker 2: to get across the facts. They ought to find it
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Speaker 2: in their hearts to condemn the grotesque terrorism and warmongering
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Speaker 2: of hummus. They ought to think about the consequences of
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Speaker 2: spewing hatred like this clean up.
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Speaker 1: Please see and had your voices learned.
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Speaker 4: To ensure these Zionus terrorists and their reprehensible action are
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Speaker 4: held to an account.
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Speaker 1: Zionis terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Anyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel
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Speaker 2: is a Zionist? Are we all terrorists? Just horrible stuff?
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Speaker 2: We approach the Nurses and Midwives Association for comment that
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Speaker 2: we haven't heard back. The other aspect to this, the
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Speaker 2: more worrying aspect in many ways, is what it tells
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Speaker 2: us about Islamist extremism and views in our Muslim communities.
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Speaker 2: On sky News, this morning. One Muslim leader condemned the
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Speaker 2: words of the two nurses caught.
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Speaker 1: On video, but refused to.
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Speaker 2: Condemn them as individuals, saying we had to await the
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Speaker 2: investigation of the full video and we also got some
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Speaker 2: false equivalence arguments. Have a look at this exchange with
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Speaker 2: Laura Jays.
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Speaker 8: At the moment, it's being used as political mileage. We
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Speaker 8: have politicians lining up them, lining after each other to
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Speaker 8: go and express this a part of behavior. But what
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Speaker 8: I'm saying is that sort of hate speech, whether it
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Speaker 8: comes in the form of anti Semitism, Islamophobia, or the
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Speaker 8: far right, has no place in Australia and we need
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Speaker 8: to address it in a holistic approach.
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Speaker 9: Islamophobia and anti Semitism doesn't seem to be on equal
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Speaker 9: footing at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree?
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Speaker 8: Can I suggest that's because the media scene and the
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Speaker 8: politicians seemed to be concentrating on one form of racism, which.
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Speaker 10: Is a warrant.
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Speaker 2: We can't have this constant Muslim victim stuff that pretends
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Speaker 2: that Islamophobia is as prevalent as anti Semitism. It's just
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Speaker 2: not the case, and making that argument is counterproductive, even
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Speaker 2: though it gets echoed approvingly in some media like the ABC.
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Speaker 1: We've seen the.
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Speaker 2: Mobs chanting f the Jews and wears the Jews and
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Speaker 2: maybe even.
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Speaker 1: Gas the Jews.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the celebrations at the slaughter of innocent Israeli men,
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Speaker 2: women and children. We've seen the constant protest demanding a
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Speaker 2: state of Palestine from the river to the sea, in
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Speaker 2: other words, eliminating Israel.
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Speaker 1: We have a problem.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with another Muslim leader in a moment who
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Speaker 2: admits that we have a problem. So denial will just
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Speaker 2: not cut it, and neither will those nurses and midwives
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Speaker 2: demonizing Israel in anyone who supports Israel.
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Speaker 1: All this stuff fuel.
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Speaker 2: Hatred and division, and we have a national government asleep
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Speaker 2: at the wheel. This crisis has escalated almost daily over
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Speaker 2: the past sixteen months. The Prime Minister's words have been
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Speaker 2: vanilla and his actions have been almost undetectable, so that
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Speaker 2: today he was left trying to justify his reactions from
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Speaker 2: the outset.
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Speaker 11: The morning after the terrorist attack on October seven, I
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Speaker 11: was on The Insiders condemning it unequivocally. The next morning,
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Speaker 11: the next morning, on the Today Show, I said this
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Speaker 11: in response to the demonstration that took place in the
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Speaker 11: Kember that night. Well, there's nothing to celebrate by the
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Speaker 11: murder of innocent civilians going about their day. Some of
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Speaker 11: those who've been captured were young people tending a rabe,
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Speaker 11: enjoying life, enjoying each other's company.
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Speaker 1: Really, that's the best he can do.
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Speaker 2: Quoting his own words, trying to pretend that was a
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Speaker 2: strong reaction.
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Speaker 1: He condemned unequivocally.
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Speaker 2: Were these words the worst slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust?
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Speaker 2: And he said the butchering of innocence is not something
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Speaker 2: to be celebrated. These words were so meek, they were
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Speaker 2: the bare minimum and they weren't backed by any action.
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Speaker 1: If Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: Quotes those responses as evidence of his strength on this issue,
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Speaker 2: well that just confirms that the Prime Minister is way
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Speaker 2: out of his depth. Now, I just want to go
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Speaker 2: to this unfair dismissial case that was brought by antoinette
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Speaker 2: letof against the ABC. It's almost wrapped up now, there'll
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Speaker 2: be closing submissions in a fortnight. And after writing about
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Speaker 2: this in last Weekends Australian I was contacted by a
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Speaker 2: former ABC radio presenter in Canberra and Adelaide who gave
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Speaker 2: me an insightful and amusing side story to all this.
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Speaker 2: His name is Matt Abraham, and he's gone public with
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Speaker 2: that now, so.
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Speaker 1: I can share it with you. I let it slip
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Speaker 1: that my dad was from Lebanon.
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Speaker 6: He went, oh, and then he vanished up the corridor
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Speaker 6: to his office and a couple of minutes later came
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Speaker 6: back and I said, what are you doing? He said, oh,
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Speaker 6: he said, I've you know your Lebanese. I've just put
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Speaker 6: you in our sort of diversity spreadsheet, you know.
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Speaker 1: In terms of.
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Speaker 6: Now, that manager was Steve ah Hearn, who was the
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Speaker 6: manager in Sydney who hired and I think had to
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Speaker 6: fire latoof.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Abraham recounting his first day at the ABC
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Speaker 2: more than thirty years ago. So it shows that the
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Speaker 2: ABC has long been keen on ticking diversity boxes. Maybe
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Speaker 2: Abraham has a special place in history.
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Speaker 6: I said this to Chris Kenny, you know, because he
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Speaker 6: wrote about the two case excellent article in Australian and
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Speaker 6: he said a text back saying you were the first
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Speaker 6: diversity higher.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It is pretty funny the ABC's sense of priorities. As
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Speaker 2: I keep saying, the ABC is obsessed with diversity in
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Speaker 2: things that should never matter, like race or religion, or
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Speaker 2: sex or sexual preferences. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they
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Speaker 2: paid attention to intellectual or ideological diversity, you know, the
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Speaker 2: diversity that matters. Let's go to Camberra now and catch
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Speaker 2: up with Susan MacDonald, who's the Shadow Resources Minister.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Susan.
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Speaker 2: I just want to go to the follow up in
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Speaker 2: Parliament today to this shocking case of anti semitism and
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Speaker 2: the two nurses at Bankstown Hospital. Do you think that
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberize's response to this has been strong enough. He
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Speaker 2: seems to be telling Parliament that he was hot on
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Speaker 2: this stuff from October the eighth, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, I think the thing that we can be
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Speaker 9: clear on is if these nurses felt empowered to be
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Speaker 9: saying these things to a perfect stranger on the internet,
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Speaker 9: they felt empowered to say it to others.
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Speaker 12: And why do they feel empowered?
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Speaker 9: Well because of the inflammatory comments that have been made
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Speaker 9: by the Greens, but worse the inflammatory silence from Labor.
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Speaker 9: We have had the Foreign Minister Penny Wong saying things
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Speaker 9: with caveatets and worse, going to the UN and voting
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Speaker 9: against our long standing commitments to our allies to Israel. Now,
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Speaker 9: Australia has spent a long time developing its position, its
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Speaker 9: reputation as being a reliable trading partner but also a
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Speaker 9: dependable defense ally, and yet that has all been swept
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Speaker 9: away within the last two and a half years, as
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Speaker 9: Labor has equivocated, has walked.
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Speaker 12: Around and has not been strong enough at.
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Speaker 9: All on defending these incredibly damaging anti Semitic positions and
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Speaker 9: comments around Australia.
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Speaker 1: I could hardly disagree with you.
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Speaker 2: I've been making this point nightly almost for sixteen months myself.
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Speaker 2: They've been pathetic in their response to this, but they've
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Speaker 2: not been anywhere near as toxic as the Greens have been.
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Speaker 1: Yet. Of course, Labor is in bed with.
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Speaker 2: The Greens effectively, and this was a point that was
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Speaker 2: brought home, that was brought to everybody's attention in appointed
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Speaker 2: question by Julian Lisa today.
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Speaker 1: Mister Speaker, my question is to the Prime Minister. Prime Minister, the.
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Speaker 2: Greens political party is a racist, antisemitic party.
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Speaker 6: Will the Prime Minister join with the leader of the
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Speaker 6: Opposition in committing to put the Greens last at the
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Speaker 6: coming election.
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Speaker 2: Now that question caused a lot of uproar from the
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Speaker 2: Greens and Labor and there's no real clear answer to that.
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Speaker 2: But is this is going to be an ongoing attack
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Speaker 2: from the coalition linking Labor to the anti semitism of
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Speaker 2: the Greens.
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Speaker 9: Well, it absolutely is and should be because the Greens
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Speaker 9: have been so overt in their statements, are so supportive
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Speaker 9: of some of these terrible political and religious divides in
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Speaker 9: our society.
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Speaker 12: Now I can't help but think back.
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Speaker 9: To the IRA when we were able to clearly call
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Speaker 9: out the terrorist nature of that organization, but not link
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Speaker 9: it to the Catholic Church, not make it, or perhaps
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Speaker 9: I shouldn't say that because I have a big Catholic.
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Speaker 12: Community in my electorate. And yet the.
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Speaker 9: Greens have been out pandering along religious lines rather than
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Speaker 9: being able to clearly identify that Harmas is a terrorist
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Speaker 9: organization and that the defense of the Israeli community and
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Speaker 9: stamping out anti Semitic views is something that should go
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Speaker 9: to the very core of what it means to be
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Speaker 9: an Australian. Those who protect, who protect others, who protect
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Speaker 9: our mates and stand up with our allies.
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Speaker 1: Now, what's concerning to many Australians. Is the way there are.
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Speaker 2: Divergent views about all this in our community. And Sky
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Speaker 2: News sampled some public opinion about this near where the
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Speaker 2: two nurses lost their jobs at Bankstown Hospital. Here's some
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Speaker 2: public opinion on the streets of Bankstown.
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Speaker 6: It's a big concerning again, because if someone's in need,
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Speaker 6: you just want to help someone out, regardless.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's that serious, you know.
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Speaker 4: I look, all right, they said something, maybe stupid or
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Speaker 4: they wanted to have a laugh together.
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Speaker 2: But they shouldn't not said up.
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Speaker 8: They have a free right to say whatever they want,
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Speaker 8: you know, but is.
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Speaker 1: It wrong to say that.
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Speaker 10: What's with them?
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Speaker 1: Said? Yes, in any way possible?
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Speaker 13: You stand with the fact that someone has threatened to
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Speaker 13: kill and not treat a Jewish patient, and.
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Speaker 1: What about all the kids that Jews have killed?
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Speaker 2: Young Australians endorsing these views about killing Israelis.
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Speaker 1: It's a great concern, isn't it, Susan?
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Speaker 12: Well, it absolutely is. And I think that we have.
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Speaker 9: To ensure that we take a strong stance on stamping
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Speaker 9: out this sort of language and views, because we have
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Speaker 9: been very clear that we would take anti Semitism to
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Speaker 9: a national Cabinet that we would be creating an anti
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Speaker 9: Semitism tribunal using Azio and others. Because we can't have
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Speaker 9: these sort of views in the country. We have to
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Speaker 9: understand who it is in our community who are saying
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Speaker 9: such things. We have to be examining visa holders and
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Speaker 9: canceling visas if necessary, because this.
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Speaker 12: Is not the country that we want to live in.
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Speaker 9: That you can't go to a hospital and feel confident
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Speaker 9: that are dependent on who you are or what your
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Speaker 9: religion is is how you'll be treated. That's not the
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Speaker 9: country that we are. We are very egalitarian and unless
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Speaker 9: we are clear about that and we are very vocal
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Speaker 9: on that, we risk losing that standard in our country.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks for joining us, Susan McDonald of the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Resources Minister. So many of us this year has felt
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Speaker 2: this week sorry, have felt as if we don't know
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Speaker 2: our country. This stuff is just so confronting. I wanted
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Speaker 2: to get a perspective from a senior member of the
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Speaker 2: Muslim community, and I caught up earlier with the general
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Speaker 2: practitioner and Muslim community leader, doctor Jamal Riefi, and.
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Speaker 1: I asked him to explain or explain.
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Speaker 2: How he would describe the response in the Muslim communities
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Speaker 2: to the anti Semitic bile we saw from those two nurses.
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Speaker 14: To be honest, Chris, the reaction is exactly the same
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Speaker 14: as you are seeing locally and internationally. It is abhordant
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Speaker 14: of what they have done. And everyone, everyone and my
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Speaker 14: community that I managed to speak with or send me
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Speaker 14: messages or they have seen the video they saying that
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Speaker 14: it's totally a disgusting, vile proposition of what they said,
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Speaker 14: the ways they have acted, and there is no excuses
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Speaker 14: for it whatsoever, especially from people who are there to
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Speaker 14: support and help human being, regardless of their race, religion,
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Speaker 14: racial background, and they're not doing what they are supposed
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Speaker 14: to do and it is terrible.
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Speaker 10: That's the only way. It's very disgusting.
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Speaker 1: What's accept Jamal.
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Speaker 2: You must understand though, that across the Australian community, given
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Speaker 2: the level of anti Semitism and the attacks we've seen
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Speaker 2: over the past sixteen months and the trouble we've have
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Speaker 2: in the.
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Speaker 1: Past with terrorism and Islamist extremism in this.
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Speaker 2: Country, people are worried that those views so freely expressed
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Speaker 2: by these young educated people might be more widely held
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Speaker 2: within Muslim communities.
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Speaker 14: Not at all not be I assure everyone who is
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Speaker 14: listening to this interview, these two people do not represent
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Speaker 14: the view that is held in the Muslims community. The
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Speaker 14: majority of the Muslims community. They have condemned what they
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Speaker 14: have done and they don't agree with it, and we
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Speaker 14: don't hold these view whatsoever.
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Speaker 10: We would like to be part of the society.
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Speaker 14: We enjoy over living in Australia, over offspring living in here,
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Speaker 14: and we want to be part of nation building towards
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Speaker 14: improving everyone else and for us, our community or anyone
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Speaker 14: not to be a threat to any other human beings.
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Speaker 14: The safety and security of everyone.
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Speaker 10: Is very important to us.
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Speaker 14: Unfortunately, those people, they put the hot spot and the
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Speaker 14: spotlight on our community and all the negativity that is
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Speaker 14: has happened now and in the past. We definitely don't
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Speaker 14: agree with this view. Our social coher is at state
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Speaker 14: right now and unfortunately these two people made it very
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Speaker 14: difficult for oward community and at the same time their
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Speaker 14: course fear and the Jewish community, and they should be
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Speaker 14: investigated and that the authority need to do what they
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Speaker 14: need to do because these views should not be held
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Speaker 14: in any health system, let alone in your South Wales
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Speaker 14: health system.
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Speaker 2: Jamal, I've got no doubt that these are your views.
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Speaker 2: I've known you a long while. You're a great Australian,
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Speaker 2: you're a former Australian newspaper Australian of the Year, and
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Speaker 2: you've been a great advocate for your own community and
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Speaker 2: a great asset to Australia generally. And I've got no
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Speaker 2: doubt that what you say about the majority of those
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Speaker 2: in the Muslim community is true as well. But surely
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Speaker 2: there is an issue with some people holding extreme views.
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Speaker 2: And we saw that, of course, right in the aftermath
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Speaker 2: of the October the seventh atrocity. We're on the streets
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Speaker 2: of Lake Shake. Ibrahim Dudoun said this, I'm smiling.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling, and I'm happy I'm in Zatan.
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Speaker 4: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 1: I don't now, Jamal.
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Speaker 2: I've been critical of political and law enforcement authorities for
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Speaker 2: not stamping out that.
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Speaker 1: Sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: But isn't it a legitimate fear that that sort of
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Speaker 2: extreme rhetoric is shaping young minds in Muslim communities as we.
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Speaker 10: Speak, Chris, nobody should be smiling.
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Speaker 14: No one should be happy for seeing and for killing
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Speaker 14: innocent people. It doesn't matter Israeli, Jewish or Gazans Palestinians.
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Speaker 10: Now what we do is obeys the law. We've been
23:04
Speaker 10: saying times after times.
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Speaker 14: But as in law that actually discourages hate speech are
23:12
Speaker 14: not worth the paper written on it. And that's for
23:17
Speaker 14: or political government, state and federal to look at it
23:23
Speaker 14: and to actually shape it in such a way so
23:26
Speaker 14: hate speech will not be tolerated, not ever in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But Jamal, you know there is a problem with islamust extremism.
23:35
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of quantifying it. Now, I think
23:38
Speaker 2: you would tell us that it's a very very tiny
23:40
Speaker 2: percentage of the Muslim community.
23:43
Speaker 1: Is it expanding?
23:44
Speaker 2: Should governments and the Muslim community and the rest of
23:47
Speaker 2: the country.
23:48
Speaker 1: Be doing more to combat it?
23:50
Speaker 2: Should his book to rear a very extreme group that's
23:53
Speaker 2: banned in many countries but legal here.
23:56
Speaker 1: Should that be banned in Australia?
23:58
Speaker 2: Is there more that needs to be done or are
24:00
Speaker 2: you suggesting we don't have a problem.
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Speaker 10: Look, we do have a problem.
24:05
Speaker 14: Has been the least of over the problem because at
24:08
Speaker 14: least they are publicly, we know who they are and
24:10
Speaker 14: they espouse what they are saying. Unfortunately, we have a
24:14
Speaker 14: problem and we are on the lookout for any learned wolf.
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Speaker 1: All.
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Speaker 14: What it take is just one person to do the
24:20
Speaker 14: wrong thing and will cause immense damage. Without any doubt.
24:27
Speaker 14: You are an I Christ wiener that security agencies state
24:32
Speaker 14: and federal, they have always been on the look at
24:35
Speaker 14: and they have been proactive and they have done a
24:38
Speaker 14: marvelous job. And I can tell you the majority of
24:41
Speaker 14: the Australian Muslims community are on the side of the
24:46
Speaker 14: fence with securities agencies.
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Speaker 2: But where is this hatred that we've seen from those
24:51
Speaker 2: two nurses so freely expressed. What is that derived from?
24:56
Speaker 10: Look?
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Speaker 14: To be honest, I don't know those nurses, but I
25:00
Speaker 14: knew people who knew them. I knew people who studied
25:03
Speaker 14: in high school with them or who.
25:05
Speaker 10: Did nursing wisdom.
25:10
Speaker 14: Unfortunately, unfortunately, they should have known better these people, and
25:18
Speaker 14: I think right now from what I have heard, that
25:22
Speaker 14: they suffering the consequences of what they have said physically, emotionally.
25:30
Speaker 10: But that is not good enough.
25:31
Speaker 14: They should have known better not to say what they
25:34
Speaker 14: have said, not to have these views the way that's
25:37
Speaker 14: happening without any doubts, its happening online. But these people
25:41
Speaker 14: are educated people who trust them to look after over
25:45
Speaker 14: kids and physically, emotionally, and at the same time we
25:49
Speaker 14: trust them to look after the will being of everyone
25:52
Speaker 14: in our community and over nation, and they have failed
25:56
Speaker 14: on every aspect.
25:58
Speaker 10: For what they have said it is. It is out
26:03
Speaker 10: of way for me.
26:05
Speaker 14: To understand why someone would do something like this under
26:08
Speaker 14: these circumstances.
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Speaker 10: It's awful.
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Speaker 1: Jamal Riffie, thanks so much for talking to us.
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Speaker 10: Thank you, Chris.
26:17
Speaker 1: What a shocking thing this hatred is. We know it
26:19
Speaker 1: casts a pool over the Jewish community.
26:21
Speaker 2: You can see there how it casts a paul over
26:24
Speaker 2: elements of the Muslim community as well, cast a paul over.
26:27
Speaker 1: This whole nation.
26:28
Speaker 2: We've got to get on top of it, got to
26:30
Speaker 2: take a break. On the other side, I'm going to
26:31
Speaker 2: show you some more childish antics from Chris Bowen on
26:34
Speaker 2: social media. While business groups are raising concerns increasingly about
26:39
Speaker 2: the government's renewable energy targets. Now not content with giving
26:47
Speaker 2: us an energy crisis, Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris
26:51
Speaker 2: Bowen has been tormenting us with embarrassing social media posts,
26:55
Speaker 2: breaking renewable energy and attacking nuclear for his latest death
27:00
Speaker 2: and he's roped in Environment Minister Tanya Plibask with a
27:03
Speaker 2: new anti nuke argument. This time they say nuclear uses
27:08
Speaker 2: too much water.
27:09
Speaker 15: Have a look a lot of water, So every form
27:15
Speaker 15: of energy needs a little bit of water to make
27:18
Speaker 15: it happen, and of course renewables need just a tiny bit.
27:23
Speaker 16: And cole uses more water than renewables by vidnight, nuclear
27:31
Speaker 16: uses for more water than even coal. That means they
27:36
Speaker 16: will need a lot.
27:39
Speaker 1: Of water.
27:42
Speaker 16: And this isn't enough, So the water is going to
27:44
Speaker 16: have to come from somewhere.
27:48
Speaker 1: Honestly, Crispowen water torture.
27:51
Speaker 2: Who knew this bloke had so much time on his hands,
27:54
Speaker 2: but on his serious policy challenges. A growing list of
27:57
Speaker 2: business groups has been raising serious concerns about Labour's renewables
28:02
Speaker 2: target eighty two percent by twenty thirty and they're urging
28:05
Speaker 2: the government the scale back and not put all their
28:08
Speaker 2: eggs in one green basket.
28:11
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Andrew mckeller.
28:12
Speaker 2: Who's the chief executive of the Australian Chamber of Commerce
28:15
Speaker 2: and Industry.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, sir Andrew.
28:18
Speaker 2: This is a big call from your organization because on
28:21
Speaker 2: the whole, the major business groups, including your own, have
28:25
Speaker 2: been all on board with the renewable energy transition going
28:30
Speaker 2: along with labor encouraging the coalition to go down this path.
28:33
Speaker 2: Do you see now that it's just asking this economy
28:37
Speaker 2: to do too much too soon?
28:41
Speaker 17: Well, High Chris, Look, I think to start with, we're
28:44
Speaker 17: not being antagonistic. I don't think we're being unreasonable about things.
28:51
Speaker 17: We just want to be realistic. So you know, I
28:54
Speaker 17: think what we're looking at is a situation where many
28:57
Speaker 17: businesses are facing significant and hikes in their energy costs.
29:02
Speaker 1: You know, only a.
29:03
Speaker 17: Week or so ago we were hearing from food distributors
29:07
Speaker 17: that they were facing ninety to two hundred and forty
29:10
Speaker 17: percent increases in their contract prices in the past twelve
29:15
Speaker 17: months for electricity. So look, our concern is business is
29:19
Speaker 17: looking for reliable, affordable supply. But we certainly support the
29:24
Speaker 17: long term goals. We support getting to net zero by
29:27
Speaker 17: twenty fifty. We're not saying pull out of the Powers agreement.
29:31
Speaker 17: We want realistic targets twenty thirty twenty thirty five, but
29:36
Speaker 17: they've got to be driven by two things. They've got
29:37
Speaker 17: to be driven by science and they've got to be
29:39
Speaker 17: driven by economics. So really here we're saying by all
29:42
Speaker 17: means renewables will be the backbone of the energy system
29:46
Speaker 17: in the future. But don't put all our eggs in
29:49
Speaker 17: one basket. We should be seeing gas playing a major
29:53
Speaker 17: role in the transition, and beyond that, you know, for
29:56
Speaker 17: the longer to medium term, we really want to see
30:00
Speaker 17: a technology neutral approach.
30:01
Speaker 1: Let's put all options on the table.
30:03
Speaker 17: We don't know what will be in front of us
30:05
Speaker 17: in ten, fifteen, twenty years time, so let's not tie
30:09
Speaker 17: one arm behind our backs.
30:10
Speaker 2: Well, a couple of points on that first up, the
30:12
Speaker 2: eighty two percent by twenty thirty, surely that's impossible. That's
30:15
Speaker 2: the government's target. But there's no way on Earth they
30:18
Speaker 2: can actually roll that out fast enough that it costs
30:21
Speaker 2: too much, it'll take too long, and our system will
30:24
Speaker 2: collapse because we won't have enough dispatchable power.
30:28
Speaker 17: Well, I think that's I mean, what we're saying is
30:30
Speaker 17: there is exactly that risk. There is a risk. There's
30:33
Speaker 17: a very strong risk. I mean, they've got a target
30:35
Speaker 17: of eighty two percent, as you say, by twenty thirty.
30:39
Speaker 17: As of last year, we were sitting at just under
30:41
Speaker 17: forty percent. To get sustainably up to a position where
30:45
Speaker 17: we can readily manage the growth in the power consumption,
30:48
Speaker 17: the power demand that's going to be there over the
30:51
Speaker 17: next few years. That's an enormous risk to be taken
30:54
Speaker 17: to put all the eggs in one basket. So, you know,
30:57
Speaker 17: we think gas has to play a major role. We've
30:59
Speaker 17: got to get more or gas into the system and
31:01
Speaker 17: get it there quickly. I think there's been a policy
31:04
Speaker 17: failure over a number of years now not to get
31:08
Speaker 17: more gas.
31:09
Speaker 1: Into the system.
31:10
Speaker 17: That state and federal governments have really got to account
31:12
Speaker 17: all that. But we do have to bring that capacity in.
31:16
Speaker 17: We cannot risk the situation that we have energy supply
31:20
Speaker 17: shortfalls over the period before then.
31:24
Speaker 2: I just want to pick you up also on this
31:25
Speaker 2: idea that renewables will be the backbone of our energy
31:29
Speaker 2: system into the future. No doubt they'll have a role,
31:32
Speaker 2: and they have a role in a lot of economies,
31:34
Speaker 2: but there's there's not a modern economy in the world
31:37
Speaker 2: where they're the backbone of the energy grid.
31:39
Speaker 1: And they won't be here either. Really, that's the reality,
31:42
Speaker 1: isn't it.
31:43
Speaker 2: Because of their intermittency and the costs and practicalities of storage.
31:47
Speaker 2: They've got to be part of the mix, but they
31:49
Speaker 2: can never be the actual backbone of our energy grid.
31:54
Speaker 17: Well, they're going to play a significant role, and we
31:56
Speaker 17: think that's that that is inevitable that the questions around
32:01
Speaker 17: firming and making sure that we've got that capacity in
32:04
Speaker 17: the system. There are I think technological approaches there which
32:09
Speaker 17: can help in that regard. So I think from a
32:12
Speaker 17: business point of view, we acknowledge solar wind it's got
32:17
Speaker 17: to have that firming capacity behind it. You're going to
32:20
Speaker 17: have to use things like gas peaking to help with
32:23
Speaker 17: meeting demand as well.
32:25
Speaker 1: It's got to be switchable.
32:27
Speaker 17: But certainly I think we would say, you know, that
32:31
Speaker 17: is an important part of the solution ultimately, but let's
32:35
Speaker 17: not tie one behind our backs.
32:37
Speaker 2: And just very quickly, where would you place the rising
32:40
Speaker 2: cost of electricity when it comes to the causal factors
32:43
Speaker 2: for our cost of living crisis?
32:46
Speaker 17: Oh, it's right up there, and I think many businesses
32:50
Speaker 17: have been facing that challenge. That's adding back into the
32:54
Speaker 17: supply chain costs. Of course, at the household level, we've
32:59
Speaker 17: seen the the energy rebates that the government has applied.
33:04
Speaker 17: You know, that's taking the heat out of it at
33:07
Speaker 17: a retail level in the short term, but at some
33:09
Speaker 17: point those chickens have got to come home to roost,
33:13
Speaker 17: and you know, at some point those rebates are going
33:16
Speaker 17: to be unwound and we'll be back to the real situation.
33:19
Speaker 17: So we can't escape the long term reality here, we
33:22
Speaker 17: sure can. Cost is a huge it's a huge part
33:25
Speaker 17: of the equation and that's one of the challenges business says.
33:28
Speaker 17: We've got to confront and confront it very soon. Absolutely,
33:31
Speaker 17: thanks so much for joining us, Andrew.
33:32
Speaker 2: I appreciate Andrew mckello there from the Australian Chamber of
33:35
Speaker 2: Commerce and Industry.
33:36
Speaker 1: Got to get to a break.
33:37
Speaker 2: On the other side, you're going to talk about a
33:38
Speaker 2: big development in the Ukraine War now, with Donald Trump
33:41
Speaker 2: and Vladimir Putin agreeing to meet, probably in Saudi Arabia.
33:46
Speaker 2: I'll get the insights on this from Alexander Downer in London.
33:53
Speaker 2: There is absolutely no sign of Donald Trump's slowing down,
33:56
Speaker 2: with the president today speaking with Russian President Vladimir Putin
34:00
Speaker 2: and Ukraine's President Vladimir Zelenski discussing plans to end the
34:05
Speaker 2: Ukraine War. Here's the latest from sky News UK.
34:09
Speaker 18: The Russian leader had sent a gift the night before
34:13
Speaker 18: Mark fogel An American school teacher was released from a
34:17
Speaker 18: Russian prison.
34:18
Speaker 19: Everybody knows.
34:19
Speaker 18: Mark Trump called it a show of good faith that
34:21
Speaker 18: could be a part of ending the Russia Ukraine War.
34:24
Speaker 19: We had a great call and it lasted for a
34:28
Speaker 19: long time, over an hour this morning. I also had
34:33
Speaker 19: with President Zelensky a very good call after that, and
34:37
Speaker 19: I think we're on the way to getting peace. I
34:39
Speaker 19: think President Putin wants peace and President Zelensky wants peace,
34:45
Speaker 19: and I want peace. I just want to see people
34:47
Speaker 19: stop getting killed.
34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring in former Foreign Minister Alexander Danham now,
34:52
Speaker 2: who joins us live from London.
34:54
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alexander. We're going to
34:57
Speaker 1: talk about this piece. Still.
34:58
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk pre election, the anti Trump
35:00
Speaker 2: people were saying he would sell Ukraine out. But even
35:03
Speaker 2: from his own rehtoric and that that we've heard from
35:06
Speaker 2: his defense chief of Pete Hesgeth, we're starting to see
35:10
Speaker 2: that there's talk of trading land for piece here, that
35:13
Speaker 2: the Ukraine would have to give up hope of having
35:19
Speaker 2: the crimea returned to it, for instance, and maybe even
35:22
Speaker 2: giving up land in eastern Ukraine.
35:23
Speaker 1: Do you think any of this is possible?
35:28
Speaker 20: Well, it's hard to know, but I think is highly possible.
35:31
Speaker 20: I also think the negotiations will revolve around what sort
35:35
Speaker 20: of guarantees of Ukraine's independence and security can be provided
35:41
Speaker 20: by NATO, well, in particular by the United States. I
35:46
Speaker 20: don't think that NATO will take Ukraine into its embrace.
35:53
Speaker 20: I think it's much more likely the Americans will provide
35:57
Speaker 20: some other kind of guarantee of Ukrainian independent But I mean,
36:05
Speaker 20: the first phase will be a step towards the ceasefire.
36:08
Speaker 20: And let's be honest, everybody wanted to apparently a cease
36:12
Speaker 20: fire in the Middle East, and we certainly should be
36:17
Speaker 20: calling for a fire between Ukraine and Russia because huge
36:22
Speaker 20: numbers of people are being killed in that war, which
36:26
Speaker 20: is just dragging on indefinitely. So the fact that there
36:30
Speaker 20: at last are going to be talked towards what will
36:33
Speaker 20: amount or ceased bar rather than a peace agreement, I
36:37
Speaker 20: think it has to be welcome.
36:39
Speaker 2: Now, the point you make about a security guarantee is crucial, right,
36:42
Speaker 2: because it's a red line for Russia for Ukraine to
36:46
Speaker 2: be admitted to NATO. But of course Zelenski will want
36:51
Speaker 2: a security guarantee of some sorts otherwise, he's been through
36:55
Speaker 2: this war for so long for nothing.
36:58
Speaker 1: His country remains exposed.
37:01
Speaker 20: Exactly now, there's an existing treaty which has not been implemented,
37:06
Speaker 20: the Treaty of Budapest, I think called, which was negotiated
37:11
Speaker 20: and signed after Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, that
37:15
Speaker 20: when the Soviet Union dismantled, and under that treaty, countries
37:20
Speaker 20: like I mean ironically Russia, but also the United States
37:27
Speaker 20: and other permanent members of the UN Security Council have
37:31
Speaker 20: provided Ukraine with the guaranteers of its independence and that
37:35
Speaker 20: they would protect Ukraine. So it seems to me the
37:40
Speaker 20: Americans could go back to that treaty and say that
37:44
Speaker 20: they will provide a security guarantee for Ukraine under an
37:49
Speaker 20: existing treaty. But yes, they won't be able to join NATO.
37:54
Speaker 20: That will be a concession that will be made to
37:57
Speaker 20: the Russians.
37:59
Speaker 1: On the other hand, there will.
38:01
Speaker 20: Be as a security guarantee for Ukraine, which should be
38:05
Speaker 20: just as good as being a member of NATO and
38:08
Speaker 20: protected by Article five.
38:10
Speaker 2: Speaking of ceasefires, Donald Trump has mentioned high noon on
38:14
Speaker 2: Saturday as the day he needs all hostages back. Israel
38:19
Speaker 2: needs all hostages back from Hamas or all hell will
38:22
Speaker 2: break loose. What do you expect to unfold come the weekend.
38:27
Speaker 20: I expect Hammamas will cave in and release another three
38:33
Speaker 20: or so Israeli hostages by then, and the Seaspa will
38:37
Speaker 20: hold for a little bit longer.
38:38
Speaker 10: That's what I expect.
38:40
Speaker 20: I might be wrong, maybe Hamas are completely suicidal, but
38:44
Speaker 20: I doubt it. And also the Arab States will be
38:47
Speaker 20: putting a lot of pressure on Hamas to maintain the
38:51
Speaker 20: sea spires, so some more hostages will be released. But
38:55
Speaker 20: it's true. The Israelis tell me there are still well
38:59
Speaker 20: over set seventy hostages left. They think privately that perhaps
39:04
Speaker 20: around forty of those seventy eight seventy nine. I think
39:10
Speaker 20: around forty of them are dad. So it would just
39:14
Speaker 20: be a question of releasing matter remains, and Hamas should
39:19
Speaker 20: release them immediately. There'll be no worry about a ceaspar
39:23
Speaker 20: If they had released them all immediately, there'll be no
39:27
Speaker 20: need for further negotiations about it.
39:30
Speaker 1: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it.
39:33
Speaker 2: Alexander down of their life from London. There's a lot
39:35
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on when it comes to global affairs.
39:37
Speaker 2: Just at the moment, and that'll be particularly fascinating and
39:41
Speaker 2: precarious in the Middle East. On the weekend, I'm going
39:43
Speaker 2: to take a break on the other side, Tim Blair
39:45
Speaker 2: and Mark Nichols, So we're going to talk about the
39:47
Speaker 2: demise of an unfunny funny man and also more on
39:50
Speaker 2: that disgusting anti Semitic video from the two Sydney nurses.
40:00
Speaker 2: I like to think of these guys as the real
40:01
Speaker 2: national Cabinet. Tim Blair from The Daily Telegraph live from
40:04
Speaker 2: the Wimmera and Mark Nicholson from step Make Studios in Melbourne.
40:08
Speaker 1: Guys, we've got to sort this country out. I just
40:11
Speaker 1: haven't felt like this is a country.
40:13
Speaker 2: I know this week mark when you've got people happily
40:16
Speaker 2: saying that they are nurses and they would like to
40:19
Speaker 2: kill the Jewish patients. So how does that fit into
40:22
Speaker 2: the Australia we all know and love.
40:26
Speaker 21: It doesn't pure and simple, but it's something that you
40:29
Speaker 21: know a lot of people have joined the congo line,
40:31
Speaker 21: you know, political and medium personalities coming out today and
40:34
Speaker 21: saying that they're shocked by it. I'm not shocked by it.
40:37
Speaker 21: I know you're not shocked by it. You've been saying
40:39
Speaker 21: it for years. Tim as well, Paul and Hanson, Julian Lisa,
40:43
Speaker 21: We've all been saying it for years. And you know,
40:46
Speaker 21: these people have said this on a recorded video. Imagine
40:49
Speaker 21: what they're saying in private. And I know that they're
40:51
Speaker 21: saying it in private to laughter and applause. This is
40:54
Speaker 21: an infection that's been going through this country and we've
40:56
Speaker 21: seen it. We've seen it since October eighth, for goodness sake,
40:59
Speaker 21: when we saw out in the front of the Sydney
41:00
Speaker 21: Opera House. We've seen it on posters and stickers and flags.
41:04
Speaker 21: We've heard it being chanted. It's an infection that's been
41:06
Speaker 21: running through the country. But we've had a government and
41:08
Speaker 21: a leadership, a labor government, the Greens, the Teals, our
41:12
Speaker 21: media who have said nothing. We've been saying it for
41:15
Speaker 21: three years to try and stamp it out. But now
41:17
Speaker 21: it's okay to come out and say that it's a
41:19
Speaker 21: parent and that it's a shameful thing. It is, but
41:22
Speaker 21: we've been saying it for a long time, which is
41:23
Speaker 21: a real shame, and we've let down the Jewish community,
41:26
Speaker 21: We've let down the good Muslim community that we've got
41:28
Speaker 21: here in Australia and we've let down this country because
41:31
Speaker 21: we're a global embarrassment. This story is going out of control.
41:34
Speaker 21: We are an embarrassment world.
41:35
Speaker 1: You're so right to Mark.
41:37
Speaker 2: I couldn't equipal with anything you said then, and that's
41:40
Speaker 2: why we're not shocked. But some of these elements who
41:43
Speaker 2: have been in denial seem to be shocked, Tim, and
41:46
Speaker 2: I suppose that's the only benefit out of this.
41:48
Speaker 1: I think it surprised them.
41:49
Speaker 2: To see young, educated, articulate Muslim Australian speaking like this now.
41:55
Speaker 2: As Mark said, we know that this virus has infected
41:59
Speaker 2: our society for a long while, so here it is.
42:01
Speaker 1: They can't that they can't unsee it.
42:05
Speaker 13: Yet they've unseen things previously. I mean when when ISIS
42:10
Speaker 13: was was going berserk at the peak of Isis's slaughter,
42:15
Speaker 13: we had we had media and various various individuals in
42:18
Speaker 13: Australia playing down Australia's involvement. I think at one point
42:21
Speaker 13: Western Sydney had the highest per capita volunteer base internationally
42:26
Speaker 13: people going to fight on the side of ISIS. So
42:30
Speaker 13: you know that there's quite a lot of things they've
42:31
Speaker 13: got to ignore, and they will ignore this I mean,
42:33
Speaker 13: I've seen just on x or Twitter just today people saying,
42:38
Speaker 13: oh no, no, don worry about it.
42:39
Speaker 1: You know, the.
42:40
Speaker 13: Nurses didn't actually kill anybody, so let's let's move on.
42:44
Speaker 10: Seriously.
42:45
Speaker 2: I do think when you go back to those Isis days,
42:48
Speaker 2: I think there were months there where Isis was getting
42:51
Speaker 2: more recruits from Australia than the Australian Defense Forces.
42:54
Speaker 1: So that's how that's how bad that was.
42:56
Speaker 2: And I want to go aside from this issue of
42:59
Speaker 2: Muslim extra dreemism, there's the toxic political debate, the way
43:03
Speaker 2: that's been fanned by the Greens and other extremists, and
43:06
Speaker 2: the way that feeds into it.
43:08
Speaker 1: And I want to show you.
43:08
Speaker 2: This footage that I've been able to show for the
43:11
Speaker 2: first time tonight of nurses from the Nurses and the
43:16
Speaker 2: Midwives for Palestine group and what they've been saying, have
43:18
Speaker 2: a lot clean up.
43:21
Speaker 4: Please see and had your voices to ensure these Zionus
43:25
Speaker 4: terrorists and their reprehensible actions are held to an account.
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Speaker 2: Tim There they are the eighty nurses in this group apparently,
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Speaker 2: and they're accusing Israel of torture, murder. They're calling all
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Speaker 2: Zionus terrorists Ian, and you wonder where the hatred comes from.
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Speaker 13: How did you feel? I mean, we're in a fairly
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Speaker 13: luxurious position, given that we're part of the majority population
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Speaker 13: in Australia. How do you feel if you're a Jewish
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Speaker 13: person going to a hospital right now in Western Sydney,
43:54
Speaker 13: or Sydney in general, or broader Australia, Given that we're
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Speaker 13: seeing this sort of thing, this sort of hostility, we
43:59
Speaker 13: know it's broader. We know, as Mark said, we know
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Speaker 13: if there's saying this in public that what they're saying
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Speaker 13: in private is much more extreme. And the attitudes here
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Speaker 13: are chilling. I don't use that word lightly. This is very,
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Speaker 13: very alarming sort of stuff. And when you've got groups
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Speaker 13: like this waving those colors, Yeah, it's time for a
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Speaker 13: massive reset and I don't know how we do it
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Speaker 13: at this late stage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shocking.
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Speaker 2: Let me move on to something much more lighthearted, and
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Speaker 2: that is the federal election. Question time was on today.
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Speaker 2: Parliament's up now. I don't think they'll go back. I've
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Speaker 2: always said that they won't want to deliver a budget
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Speaker 2: that means he'll call the election in the next couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks. I've always said April the twelfth. April the
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Speaker 2: twelfth does happen to be though the start of Passover
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Speaker 2: for the Jewish community, so he might want to go
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Speaker 2: April the fifth.
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Speaker 1: But that's it. It's going to be at ten paces
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Speaker 1: pretty soon.
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Speaker 2: Mark, You'll be having some fun with this at step
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Speaker 2: Mat Studios.
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Speaker 21: Oh, mate, it's like Christmas for us. Yeah, it's so
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Speaker 21: much fun. You know. Report coming out today they were
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Speaker 21: talking about eight ten seats getting lost by the Labor
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Speaker 21: Party in this one. I think there's I think there
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Speaker 21: can be more, and I think alb and Esi knows
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Speaker 21: that there can be more as well, like he thinks
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Speaker 21: if this is you think this is the worst we
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Speaker 21: can do. I can do better than that. He can
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Speaker 21: lose so many more seats, and I'm yeah, it's just
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Speaker 21: gonna be. It's gonna be so much fun. There's nothing
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Speaker 21: like there's nothing quite like a federal election for content,
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Speaker 21: but just for just for having a laugh, Like it's
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Speaker 21: just gonna be.
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Speaker 1: It's just gonna be awesome.
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Most of the speculation is based on the polling as
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Speaker 2: we see it.
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Speaker 1: At the moment.
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Speaker 2: You've got a better think about where it's going to go,
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Speaker 2: and my sense is that as soon as the elections called,
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Speaker 2: the polling will change a bit and it'll increase the
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Speaker 2: trend against Albanesian towards Dutton.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think a majority is off the cards
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Speaker 1: for him. Tim. Oh.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely. And we saw, you know, in one of the
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Speaker 13: safest labor seats in the country it's Laylor federally, but
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Speaker 13: whereby at State Lover in Victoria, seventy percent decline in
45:51
Speaker 13: the labor vote there. I mean that was such a
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Speaker 13: safe labor seat that you know, it's Julie Gillard's former
45:57
Speaker 13: seat federally, it's I think Jim Cannes was the local
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Speaker 13: member for a long time. So when that sort of
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Speaker 13: when that area my old hometown by the way, when
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Speaker 13: that area is going against labor by such enormous amounts,
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Speaker 13: just factor it in in the fact of that in
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Speaker 13: more generally, and yeah, you're looking at a very healthy
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Speaker 13: figure for the Libs and the coalition.
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Speaker 2: I just want to chuck in something new from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: He reckons we'll get rid of the federal Education Department.
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Speaker 19: Have a look, Oh, I'd like it to be closed immediately. Look,
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Speaker 19: the Department of Education is a big kanjab. So we
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Speaker 19: spend more for pupil than any other country in the world.
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Speaker 19: But we're ranked number forty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now Mark, Australia can follow suit.
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Speaker 7: Here.
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Speaker 2: We have a federal education department doesn't run a single school,
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Speaker 2: costs and motza and our results aren't what they should be.
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Speaker 1: One percent.
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Speaker 21: And this dog is when they are uncovering a billion
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Speaker 21: dollars worth of wasted money every day. According to Elon Musk,
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Speaker 21: they're being incredibly transparent. They're doing hostile interviews all day.
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Speaker 21: But yeah, Department of Education, federally, it's a state it's
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Speaker 21: a state run thing. Schools are a state run thing.
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Speaker 21: It's all administrative costs, it's all waste. It's just it's
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Speaker 21: got to go because we're in dire straits. I'd love
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Speaker 21: to see it implemented here. But what we're seeing in
47:10
Speaker 21: the stage is just phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: We'll see now, Tim, I've got to get your thoughts
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Speaker 2: on this little development. In the media, Channel seven News
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Speaker 2: had done a things a bit like Frontline from the
47:20
Speaker 2: old days. They brought in the Friday funny man who
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Speaker 2: is the six fifty seven news or something, and his
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Speaker 2: name was Mark Humphreys, and each week he did something
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 22: The country went into meltdown this week after a man
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Speaker 22: bought a house. Anthony Albanizi, a sixty one year old
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Speaker 22: part time DJ from Sydney, purchased the cliff Top Beach
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Speaker 22: house for four point three million dollars. But if you
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Speaker 22: think that's a lot, wait till you find out how
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Speaker 22: much he's spending on submarines.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, that was the funny Man.
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Speaker 2: You won't be surprised to learn that they've dumped the
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Speaker 2: funny Man.
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Speaker 13: Bring back Elliot, I say, speaking of we can we
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Speaker 13: can lay the blame for this besides a certain lack
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Speaker 13: of talent and an entirely inappropriate way to add comedy
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Speaker 13: to the news, I think we can blame Peter fitz Simons.
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Speaker 13: Peter fitz Simons the kiss of death for all of
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Speaker 13: his causes for sitting one to Herold Colemers. He was
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Speaker 13: a big supporter of Mark Humphreys.
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Speaker 1: He destroyed him.
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Speaker 13: And I would say as well, you know, be concerned
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Speaker 13: about Sam Constance's cricket career because he backed him last
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Speaker 13: week the latest headline I'm looking at Channel nine right
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Speaker 13: now and Constance bail So we're great.
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Speaker 2: We better get fitz Simon's need to get fitz Simon's
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Speaker 2: on the colling would make us all happy. Then, thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us, gentlemen, Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair. Will
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Speaker 2: catch you next week. That's all the time I've got
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Speaker 2: for you this week. Stay tuned now for Steve Price
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Speaker 2: hosting Kredlin. I'll see you next week.