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Episode 377 - My Extra Bag of Screws! · TechtalkRadio

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The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network, where the cable
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guy and you're listening to tech come Radio. Welcome to another episode of tech
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Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean Weird, and I'm justin Lemmey.
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It's good to see you guys. A lot going on. Yeah,
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it's a business last week for us. Yeah, it has been a week
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now. Why is it busy for you? Sean? What do you guys
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got going on all season? Oh? Dude, yeah, man, the
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order Dame football baby. If this is you know, if this episode comes
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on on Saturday, we'll be playing USC Saturday night. So that's gonna be
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a good game. Be a good game, really good teams, you know.
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Yeah, come on, man, have faith? Is that? Is
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that one of your favorite sports on campus? There's? Sean? Is is
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football the big It's the biggest that it's the It's the most amount of effort
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we put into a broadcast for We don't do the broadcast. We do the
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video board show, but we support NBC in their broadcast. But it's fun.
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It's an environment. It's just everything surrounding the weekend, right because there's
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always stuff on Friday night, there's always stuff on Sunday, so it's just
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a lot going on and Friday, Saturday Sunday. Now I'm wondering, like,
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when Notre Dame comes on the field, do they play the theme from
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Rudy Great Terry Golden. If I could never hear the theme to Rudy over
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again in my lifetime, it would be too soon. So they do,
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No, they don't. They don't, but they do play it in the
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concourse before the game. And it's the whole Rudy thing is, Yeah,
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what are your what are your days off? Yeah? Do you take days?
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It depends on the like I have Thursday off this week. Like it's
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what depends on what's going on. And you're bringing never rest, doesn't it,
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because aren't you thinking about the production for Friday Saturday? For the sports?
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Oh, I've got hockey. Hockey also started last week. We had
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our first two hockey games Saturday Sunday this best weekend. So hockey, hockey's
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in full Football is in full swing, Volleyball still going, Soccer still going,
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basketball, men's and women start soon. So it's just a NonStop until
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March Madness. I've got to the point now where because I've told I told
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Eric, you know that you work for Notre Dame. So whenever we're watching
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TV in a Notre Dame game comes on the TV, he frantically waves the
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TV all the time when Hi Sean, Hi Sean, Hi Sean, because
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he thinks that you're actually like I told, well, okay, he thinks
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because I kind of told him. I basically told him that you're responsible for
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whatever we see on TV when it comes for Notre Dame. So he thinks
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that, you know, you're the director, You're the guy calling all the
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shots, which you know, that's fine. Let him think that, and
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I'm the one that makes it. I know I kind of think that too.
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I kind of imagine you just mind the booth, like take camera one,
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camera one, go camera three, get ready camera three, take camera
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four, no camera five, camera five, now camera five. When we
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played Ohio State, I got a text for my cousin with a picture of
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this TV scrades it camera six is to focus, and I said, I
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took a picture of the big monitor wall. Find to me. You know
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what I was thinking would be cool. You got to do this, And
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I know people have done this kind of thing before. Sean record some stuff
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right like like a game, and then suddenly cut to a shot of you
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looking at the screen, waving and then holding up a sign saying, hey,
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Eric, I'll be your having ill that okay, Yeah, you played
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in a regular game justin Yeah, you know, I'll just yeah, I'll
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put it up on I'll cast it to my TV and I'll be like,
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oh, look, it's the Notre Dame game. And then if Sean cut
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him be like hey Eric, and then he'd be like, oh my god,
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that's awesome. I could I'll put in a shot from the control room
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so it's got the camera in the control room with everything going on, right,
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Yeah, you can say, hey, that's Sean in the corner.
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That would be Yeah, that would be awesome. We'll do something like that
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and I'll just cast it to the TV during the next game. He won't
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even know the difference. I know that justin You've been pretty busy too with
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all the stuff that goes on with you know, where you're at, as
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well a lot of tech stuff and everything else. So you know, finding
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that time to be able to unwind and maybe order the latest smartphone has been
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something that you had to do this week. Well, I think Sean and
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I both guessed, you know, while we were talking about the iPhone fifteen
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last week on the show, that you were going to be getting the Pixel
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eight and that that looks like you are getting it. Yes, all right,
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as of well by the time this show airs, I probably will have
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it. It's actually got shipped today, so I should have it tomorrow or
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Thursday by the latest. Long story short, I want a gift card by
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doing a survey, and it was a five hundred dollars gift card. And
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then on top of that, I'm with, you know, because I use
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my cell phone provider is Google Fi, so it's it's it's Google's own cell
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phone service. So I through Google Phi. They give you a four hundred
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dollars off the new Pixel eight Pro, plus my trade in of my Pixel
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six Pro was like one hundred and twenty five and then plus that five hundred
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dollars gift card. So basically on top of that, all I had to
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do is pay for like the taxes, surcharge fees, you know whatever,
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and a little bit of extra money on top. It came to like one
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hundred and twenty five dollars out of my pocket for a brand new Pixel eight
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phone. So yeah, pixel e pro so, Yeah, I'm going to
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be getting that. What was you know this week? Well, Sean and
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I last week talked about the fifteen, and we were talking about, you
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know why we probably wouldn't update to the fifteen, and you know with the
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fourteen, Sean, which one are you at now? You're on thirteen,
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the thirteen pro Max, I'm year thirteen, I'm fourteen pro Max. The
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fifteen doesn't seem like it's going to be a step for me. We'll see
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what happens with the sixteen. I mean, if if you follow my leaps,
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you know, I went from the from a flip phone to the four
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to the seventh plus Wow to the thirteen plus thirteen pro So I've got about
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four or five more years ago. You're gonna be Yeah, you're gonna be
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going for a while, as long as they make sure it's still working.
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But so there was there wasn't too much. It made us say, yeah,
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you know the big Seale tool. We talked about it last week's titanium.
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I still don't get it. Most people are going, I don't get
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it. What does that mean? What does that do for the phone?
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People just say it's it looks, it's you know, stronger, it looks.
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That's about it. But what made you say Pixel eight gotta have it?
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Well, I mean I'm an Android guy. I mean I've always,
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well not always, I mean i've I've done iPhone. I think the last
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iPhone I had was the iPhone. You had the sixth, right, haven't
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six and seven? Maybe? Yeah? Whatever? Anyway, No, Google
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is just better, I mean, or not Google itself, but just Android.
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Well I guess that is Google. Android is is better in my opinion.
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I mean everything that Android does, I've told us mentioned so many times,
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you guys are tired of hearing it. But everything that Android has,
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iPhone gets a couple of years later, you know, and they and they
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claim it like, oh look what we did. No you didn't. You
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kind of stole it from Android. But I've been a Pixel person for the
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last let's see one two. This would be my third pixel phone. So
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I had the Pixel four was my very first, then the Pixel six Pro,
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and now I'm going with the Pixel eight Pro. Now, the reason
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I chose this, there's a couple of different reasons. But one the display,
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it's it's it's very on par with the iPhone fifteen. It's it's an
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o Lead LTPO display one hundred and twenty hurtz HDR ten. It also has
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twenty four hundred nits at its peak brightness, which is actually better than the
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iPhone two thousand knits. Obviously four hundred nits brighter than the iPhone on its
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max. I love the Gorilla glass on it, but also the Android fourteen.
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The chips that they put in the new Pixel eight fro pro is the
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new Google Tensor G three. It's amazing. It has a lot of features
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in it that the iPhone will probably have in I don't know the iPhone twenty,
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I guess, but it has features with AIS. For instance, like
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best shot is one of the coolest things. You take a bunch of photos,
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Like you got you and your friends all together, and you got that
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one friend that's like looking off to the side, or the other friend that's
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not smiling, or the other friend with half an eye shut during that one
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photo. But you got another photo where the other people look good, but
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then you don't look good. Well, this is AI. It uses AI.
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It'll stitch together those photos to give you that one perfect shot, no
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matter how many you know you take, like five or six photos of the
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same thing, the same pose. It will intelligently stitch those together to give
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you the best photo where everybody's looking at the camera, everybody's smiling, wow,
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whatever. And you can even use the AI to like somebody who's like
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kind of like sitting there like a straight face, you can put a smile
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on them. Okay, that's an AI. That's creepy. Yeah. Not
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only that too, but the camera always top of the line. So iPhone
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Android, you know, Google Pixel especially, they go back and forth.
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It's year after year they go back and forth. So right now, you
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know, the iPhone fifteen was the best camera until yesterday when the or a
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couple of days ago when the Google Pixel eight came out. It's got the
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best camera. It's a fifty megapixel one point so an f stop twenty twenty
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five millimeters wide. It's got an ultra wide camera telephoto lens forty eight megapixel
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on that one. It does video four K at sixty frames a second.
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That's good, or can do ten adp up at two two hundred and forty
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frames per second. So I mean, it's just it just blows the iPhone
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out of the water in terms of what it can do. Now, what
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I will say one of the things that I've liked with the Samsung S twenty
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three, which I got a chance to play around with, was that digital
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zoom. That zoom is just absolutely amazing. You know, if you know
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how to use it. There is a little trick to getting it to work
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right, to getting it into the box. And you know, I saw
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a demo the other day where somebody was showing the S twenty three and zooming
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in on a building that was far away and actually going right into a window
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and seeing, you know, a lamp that was sitting on a table.
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It is pretty garn impressive. You know. I always thought, oh,
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you got a great shot of the moon? Who needs a shot of the
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moon? However, I will say that's been pretty good. I was a
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little disappointed we did not see that type of quality of shot available from iPhone
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fifteen. Is the Pixel eight going to be able to replicate something like that
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or is that really something we're only seeing on the S twenty three. Well,
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Samsung. Samsung is another huge player in the smartphone industry, and they
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do run Android, but they run their own version of Android, and so
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yes, Samsung is also very well known for the quality of their cameras.
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So I can't really speak to Samsung because it's not a true Android. Again,
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it does run an Android operating system, but it's like, I don't
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even know how to compare it. They take Android and they kind of make
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it their own. So yeah, no, I don't know to answer your
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question to your point, I don't know if the Google Pixel eight pro will
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be able to do that, but as soon as I get my phone,
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I will definitely try and report back. You know, we we've seen a
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lot, and we've got a great email that ties into what you were talking
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about. We've seen so man, the diferent services, Mint Mobile, you
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know Ryan Reynolds thing that he sold off, but he's still there spokesperson.
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There's other ones the cellular that are out there that have many different plans.
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In our discussion last week with Eric Flammobile Eric flam from Sola's Hotspot, there's
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over two hundred different carriers that their hotspots connect to. And if you missed
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that interview, you can find it up on our website. But I'm one
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of the emails that we got in was from Andrea and she wanted to know
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about Google Fi and I knew I know nothing about Google Fi. She said,
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Oh, yeah, you know, I've heard Google Fi is a great
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source. Is this to replace my carrier? And is it a inexpensive alternative?
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You mentioned Google Fi, so I'm just gonna put it right into your
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lap. Well, Google fight. You're right Google Fi as a carrier,
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they're the same as AT and T or Verizon or T Mobile, Sprint,
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you know, whatever you want to call them. No, is it only
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available in some areas? No, because no it should. It's available anywhere
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because Google Fi rides off of the T Mobile network. So just the same
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thing, same thing as like US Cellular or Mint Mobile or Boost Mobile.
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Okay, they are all writing off of a different network. I think Boost
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rides off of AT and T. No, Verizon, Mint Mobile rides off
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of AT and T. Google Fi rides off T Mobile. All right,
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So these are low cost carriers that basically rent bandwidth from the major carriers.
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So so Google Fi is its own carrier. You don't have to say,
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oh, do I have to go to T Mobile to do this? No,
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you go to five f I dot Google dot com, FI dot Google
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dot com, or just just google it Google Google five. So it's a
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wireless carrier, so basically they will send you you can you can buy a
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phone directly from them right now. They've got a great promotion, to be
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honest. If you buy the Google Pixel eight or the eight pro, uh,
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you can get free Google Watch two on them or the new Google Pixel
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Pro Buds two. They even have cavingback. They have cashback deals right like
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cash back too, Yeah, so you can you can also do that,
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but it's a it's a really good deal. So if you're kind of like
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thinking of switching but no, Google Fi again rides off T Mobile. T
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Mobile is available almost everywhere, so as long as you have a T Mobile
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coverage, you can have Google Fi. The thing that we personally like about
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Google Fi is, well, there's two things really. One is international.
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So when we go to Japan, as we often do. Uh, when
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we go to Japan, we are automatically added to their NTT DoCoMo network as
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a as a paying customer, not not somebody who's you know, paying on
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the spot, as like a tourist like oh I need I need sell access
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today. No, we're a paying customer, so we get priority access to
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the network. So we're just like any other Japanese person in Japan with Google
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five, whereas with Verizon you're paying extra to go to Japan. You're paying
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like ten dollars a day, and then you're on the bottom of the queue
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for data, so like you get the last possible effort type of data.
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Anyway, But that's one reason. The other reason is we use Google Photos.
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That's basically where we store all our photos with Google. With the Google
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account, you get I believe it's one hundred gigs of storage for your Gmail
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and Google Photos and Google documents and all that stuff for free Google Drive.
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Yeah yeah, so if you pay extra money, you get more. I
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pay ninety nine dollars a month to get a terabyte, but because I'm a
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Google Fi customer, I also get an extra terabyte, so you get too,
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terribies. Ninety nine bucks a month is a lot of money. No,
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no, no, no, no, sorry a year? Oh okay,
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that's not that bad. Did I say a month? You said a
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month? I was like, called, that doesn't seem like a good deal.
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Sorry, no, no, what do you think it's shoun that's a
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lot of money. Yeah, yeah, my bad. So but people can
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have Google Photos, Google Drive, but again they're getting limited and they don't
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pay anything for it. But with Google Fi, not only do you get
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the phone service, maybe your phone because a lot of people like to finance
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their phone. They don't want to pay for it, they can finance it
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through Google five. I had no idea you could do this. I thought
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you had to be in a specific area and that was it. No,
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you're thinking like Google Fiber, you know, a Google Fiber the home,
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the home fiber where they only offer in select cities. No, no,
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no, no. I I can understand why you think that because of it
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made such big news. But Google Fi is just a nationwide coverage. You
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can get it anywhere. Now we see Verizon and other companies like T Mobile
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now doing home you know, the home Internet basically provide a modem and the
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whole bit for your homes for you to have Internet in the home. Is
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this something Google Fi Fiber would end up doing or well, you know,
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years ago they stopped doing any more expansion to the Google Fiber network. I
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want to say this was they stopped back in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen because
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they offered it in like Kansas City, that was the big place, Kansas
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City. And then a few other select cities in the Midwest and things.
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But now they're actually coming back with Google Fiber and they're expanding on it,
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so they're coming to even more cities. I think they picked out like a
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couple cities in Montana and Idaho. I think there's one in southern Colorado.
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I think New Mexico is on that list somewhere. They haven't come to Denver
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or anything, but yeah, don't I don't think Google Phi would get involved.
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But because Google Fiber and Google Phi Wireless are pretty much still the same
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company, because it's Google, I could see them working together somehow, right,
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Like, if you have a Google Fi customer, then you get I
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don't know, extra bandwidth or something that seems like a pretty good deal.
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I don't know. So again, but you had to you had to walk
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away from what's the downside? Were you on Verizon? I was, so
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you had to walk away from Verizon and I did then? And then were
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you a hesitant? I mean, that's that's always scary going to another carrier.
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A little bit, I think a little bit to begin with. But
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honestly, price was the biggest concern for us, and we were paying close
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to two hundred and twenty a month. I think with Verizon and I think
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now with Google five we're paying like one hundred and thirty. But the thing
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is, what's the downside, you know, being on Google's as a carrier,
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what's the downside? You're working with Google. They're giving Google even more
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of your data. That's true, the downside. Yeah, and I've already
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given I already give my pictures, my emails right now. I give them
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every single phone call, every single text message, you know, I mean,
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yes, there's a downside. The thing is dative for market Well,
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I mean you think I don't know if you for marketing or whatever. I
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mean, I'm sure they probably do. But you know, welcome to twenty
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twenty three first off, but every company does that to a certain degree.
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You know, Verizon sells your information, at and T, Microsoft, you
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know, everybody tells your information. Wait, even Apple, do you sells
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your information? Do you guys think Facebook does? No? Let me ask
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you what is going on with Facebook and it's sponsored pages? Now, I
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know, Sean, you're not on Facebook, so you haven't seen it.
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I don't know if you've noticed it justin but a lot of people have been
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commenting that as you scroll. It used to be you'd see a friend's post,
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a friend, a friend, a friend. It's not. Now it's
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like seventy ads sponsored a friend, something you might like, a friend,
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something you might like. It's gotten to the point where it's like a little
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overkill. It's ridiculously overkill, yeah, on Facebook's part. And the same
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goes with Instagram and Twitter. Facebook. I don't know about Twitter anymore.
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I really don't you mean X or yeah or x. I mean, I
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don't know if people are really using that. And really I'm noticing like counts
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on pages that I used to see tons of likes for just not not up
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there anymore like it used to be. Things are changing, but people are
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starting to wake up to, you know, social media. I mean,
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I know, Sean can sit here and be like, I told you this
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stuff back in four years ago, eighteen Yeah, whatever, No, we
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all knew it. We all know it, and now more and more people
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weird because it's weird because I don't feel like it's been that long since I've
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been off of Facebook. But I got rid of my Facebook in twenty nineteen.
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Wow, okay, twenty nineteen. Yeah, And if I've been in
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the best four years of your life, and I can't. I mean,
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I remember what Facebook felt like when I did that, but I don't know
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what it's been like since. So I have no I don't want to,
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I have no say in the conversation about it. I honestly think if you
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were to jump back onto Facebook, Sean, you'd be like, oh,
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what the hecks? I mean, I can't occasional like caate little laberphone out
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and she'll be scrolling through and I'll just kind of watch what she's scrolling through
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and stuff and just oh, she'll show me something that her mom liked on
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Facebook or my mom liked on Facebook. So I still see some of it,
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but I'm not actively engaging with it. Yeah, right. But the
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thing is, I think people are starting to wake up to this and about
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you know, these big tech companies, and you know, especially the younger
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generation, you know, the ones that were raised on devices, They're starting
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to wake up and go, wait a second, these guys aren't here for
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our benefit. Everybody's starting to realize the age old mantra, if you don't
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pay for the product, you are the product. Just thinking of the same
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thing, and and and I think people are starting to realize that, and
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they're starting to find other ways of of doing stuff. You know, Facebook
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has been on a decline for years now. Instagram is still as popular as
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ever, if not the most popular one out there. Snapchat had a meteoric
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rise a couple of years ago, but it's kind of leveled off. TikTok
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had a meteoric rise, but it's also so starting to fall off, partly
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due to be the fact that you know, China, you know, Oh
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my god, I was watching this video about ten Cent. You guys know
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ten Cent right, No, I know, fifty cents. Ten Cent is
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like his fifties, like second cousin. Okay, No, ten Cent is
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is basically the largest gosh, man, it is the largest company, one
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of the largest companies in China. And theory team no, no, no,
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no, that's like a that's like an Amazon type of thing or whatever.
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Ali Baba is like the Amazon. But no, no, it's nothing
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like that. Ten Cent is like an investment company, but it is literally
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just an arm of the Chinese Communist government. But they own so many different
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things. They own Discord. They own a fifty no thirty thirty seven percent
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share of Discord. They are the majority shareholders of Discord. Why do you
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why do you? First off, if youybody doesn't know what Discord is,
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It's kind of like this online chatla. It's kind of takes back to the
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old days of doing like AOL chat rooms and stuff right right where you can
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create channels. They call them channels. That's like a chat room and you
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can all just invite your friends and it's all free. Everything is free.
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How the heck does Discord make money? Because ten Cent owns most of Discord
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and they're harvesting all of your data. All this data is going back to
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China. This is crazy. I know I'm sound like a conspiracy theorist here,
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but it's crazy. This company. This is why everything is free.
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You're like, oh my god, this is too going to be true.
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Because it is. It's too going to be true. You know, you're
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sending all your data to China. When we think about it, though,
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like okay, so Amazon this past week did their big sales bucket. You
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know, of course, it's kind of like a you know, almost like
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they're what do they call Prime Day and they did a special event. And
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what I was told is they do this because at this point of the year,
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because let's face it, starting next month, and of course November is
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going to be some big shop yeah, shopping days for Christmas. Some people
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might be buying stuff for Christmas. Most people are looking at smaller items,
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as they did this past week. However, they even if you are looking
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for something, say Sean, you're looking for, you know, something for
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your studio, or something for Caitlin or Justin you're looking for something for for
23:15
Mesa, whether it be a handbag or you know, or or some type
23:19
of electronic gadget she wants. First off, if I bought a handbag for
23:22
Mesa off an Amazon, she'd kill me. Okay, I don't know how
23:26
that works. Okay, no, all right, but but either way,
23:30
so you look at it. Once you look at it, they know that
23:34
Justin or Sean has looked at this device. So around the holidays you're gonna
23:40
get curated, you know, ads for that product that you looked at.
23:45
Hey, look, because you're gonna have more money to spend around the holidays
23:48
for gift giving. So it's kind of a it's strategicy, you know,
23:52
folks on them. I don't. It's well, it's strategicy. So that
23:55
way, oh, yeah, totally. They can strategize and say, well,
23:57
maybe they won't buy it now, but maybe the buy it closer to
24:00
the holidays. It's the same idea behind we were just talking about this in
24:04
pre show. He's the same ideas the same psychology in a way you know
24:10
that uh you know, well, no, actually we're talking about different time.
24:14
But I can see this. I can see this with Amazon, I
24:15
can see this. It's kind of the same because psychology is like a drug
24:18
dealer, like, hey, here's a sample. Here's a little sample.
24:21
Let's let's let's let you get up up to it, right, and then
24:22
bam, when you need it, Bam, here it is. You know.
24:25
Yeah, but they are that's how they make money. They know people
24:27
are going to be shopping at this time of year, right right, so,
24:30
or at least looking, so they get right and they want you to
24:34
come back. And they've already got the data knowing the kind of stuff that
24:37
you're looking for. Let's face it, I still get the ads for the
24:41
gaming chairs because I've been looking for those, uh for you know, any
24:45
hardware that I shop for, and they just keep coming because they know I've
24:48
looked at it in the past and they don't mind throwing it six seven months
24:52
later, maybe he's writing now. Same goes for if you shop for cars
24:56
online or what you see the price ass could be different than what I see
25:02
the price ass totally, yes, absolutely, because they know how later.
25:07
No, I was reading an article two about it's like they know, you
25:10
know, based on all the data you've giving him, they know how much
25:12
money you make. So let's say I make four hundred thousand dollars a year.
25:17
Let's say Sean makes fifty thousand dollars a year. Okay, the price
25:21
for me is good at what I'm just I guess it on the dot.
25:26
Guess it on the dot, the lower tax bracket there. No, I'm
25:29
just I'm just giving an example. Okay, But let's say so the price
25:33
for me is obviously going to be higher because they know I have more money
25:36
than it will be for Sean in this example because he makes less money.
25:40
Interesting because I'm desperate, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, if you've
25:45
made fifty thousand dollars a year, you probably shouldn't be shopping a bunch on
25:48
Amazon. But maybe TIMU, I don't know. You know what I found
25:52
really interesting is you know that into it owns Credit Karma. Right, Oh
25:57
yeah, I thought this was so bizarre. I get this thing from Credit
26:02
Karmen and I've got you know, I kind of monitor that stuff, and
26:04
I get a thing from Credit Karma, and I never have said anything about
26:08
who my car insurance carrier is. The whole bit. They know the cars
26:12
that I drive, right on Credit Karma saying that I could get a better
26:17
rate by you know, going with their their selected insurance provider. But I've
26:23
never given that up information up Well, because your insurance company did. But
26:27
why why would they do that thinking and then then I would leave the insurance
26:33
company? Is because because here's the thing, like again going back to this
26:36
point, right, you pay less for a service like oh my god,
26:40
Google Fi is such a good deal. I can go from two hundred and
26:42
twenty down to one hundred and thirty a month. Why because they're going to
26:47
sell my data to data brokers who are then going to turn around and use
26:49
it for things like that. It's it's kind of scary sometimes when you think
26:55
about that. So they're making their money, yeah, or you gotta take
26:57
a quick break. We come back some new products. It's a new game
27:00
on the market. Sean gets to test out his driving wheel, I think
27:04
so we'll talk about that coming up with tech talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
27:08
I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm Justin. Let me find us on
27:12
x at tech talk Radio. We'll be right back and now back to tech
27:18
talk Radio. There was a story on several of the big big sites like
27:23
Gizmoto, Ars Technica of the Verge about Google wanting to do away with passwords,
27:32
and people were kind of freaking out. You know, we talked a
27:33
lot about Google last segment, but some people then have no clue about past
27:41
keys and what the difference is between a password and a pass key. And
27:45
the word is is that Google would like to get rid of the passwords because,
27:49
let's face it, nobody that is not using a password manager. If
27:52
you're using a password manager, that's great, But if you aren't, you're
27:56
making your passwords too easy. You know, you may I know environments that
28:03
I have seen in the past where they have it so easy that it's ridiculous.
28:07
It's like, how can you expect not to be, you know,
28:11
be hacked. Even if they're not going to do any maliciousness, they could
28:15
still log in to your account and check what's going on. So some people
28:19
are wondering what is what is a past key? I don't know. I
28:25
mean, it depends on what they're talking about. It could be a physical
28:26
device. It could be like an NFC tag that you have to scan.
28:32
They might have to start. People have to buy NFC reader or something for
28:34
their computers or whatever. Or it could be something as simple as you know,
28:38
on your phone you have the Google Authenticator app and use and a QR
28:44
code or whatever on like when you're trying to log in a Gmail or whatever,
28:48
it might say here, scan your QR code with your trusted phone device,
28:52
and that'll be your past key. I mean, I don't know.
28:55
It could be any of those, but that's the difference. Like you said,
28:56
a password is something that humans have to remember. We have to remember
29:00
what our password is or trust it to a password manager. But then again,
29:04
you still have to remember your master password, so whatever it is.
29:08
But a past key is something that's encoded into hardware. So from the Google
29:14
Account help website, pass keys are a simple and secure alternative method to passwords.
29:19
With a pass key, you can sign into your Google account with your
29:22
fingerprint, face, skin, or advice screenlock like a pin. There you
29:26
go, right. Pass Keys provide the strongest protection against threats like fishing.
29:30
Once you create a pass key, you can use it to easily sign into
29:33
your Google account and to verify it's you when you make sensitive changes. Now.
29:37
I know Kensington is one of those companies that make a password reader biometric,
29:42
and you know, you plug it into your USB port and you take
29:45
your thumb put it on there, and you just use it for pretty much
29:48
everything. I have the Uba key, which is a USB C device which
29:52
plugs in and it offers pretty strong encryption. But that would be also,
29:57
I guess a pass key in this disrespect It would so. But I can't
30:03
see a lot of people just going, well, I don't want to do
30:06
this because I don't want to have to buy anything else. How do you
30:08
convince somebody to stop using password one two three or one two three password or
30:14
your street name or your last name and your birthday? Yeah? Very taking
30:21
a sticky note writing their password, sticking it to the monitor. Okay,
30:25
So I can answer all those except for that last one, Sean. The
30:26
first the question to answer to your question, Andy, Yeah, is you
30:30
don't convince them you force them, like literally, you force them. You
30:36
don't give them the option to use password one, two three, It has
30:38
to be something with a special character or nine digits or you you you don't
30:45
allow them to log into their account with any type of password or whatever.
30:49
You tell them you have to use this passki if you want to keep using
30:52
our service, which you've been using for the past twenty years, you have
30:56
to now log in with this method. Now for you, Sean with a
31:00
sticky note with your password on it. Yeah. Again, I guess you
31:03
could say just take away the passwords, which is what Google, I guess
31:07
wants to do. They're going to succeed. I think everything's going to move
31:10
to that. So it's going to happen to sites that we use that we
31:11
like, like one password. I mean, there's still going to be millions
31:15
of websites out there that use passwords. I mean, it's going to be
31:18
decades before they everybody switches over. But I would assume that those businesses must
31:22
have a business model pivot and pivot to making hardware pass keys. People have
31:27
been commenting too, what is the future when we think about it. Social
31:30
security numbers, you know those are you know, those are one of the
31:34
things we do not want hacked more than anything, because somebody, if you
31:38
get your child a Social Security number that is with them for the rest of
31:44
their life, if somehow that is hacked, then that can maybe not be
31:48
used five years down the line, maybe not ten years down the line.
31:52
It could be sold in the dark web, and of course then eventually somebody
31:56
has access to your info and could be used for stealing you your tax returns.
32:01
I guess maybe they're looking at it as a way that future proofing your
32:06
security. Yes, I think so. Sean. You had a story about
32:09
how it was accidentally leaked that we actually could see a Windows twelve by next
32:15
year. So there's a Yeah. So Tom's Hardware, which is a pretty
32:19
good tech blog that I like to read, they like a tweet from a
32:23
known insider Intel leaker that had support for Meteor Lake, which is the next
32:32
generation of Intel. I think that's fourteenth generation of Intel. Yeah, and
32:37
it had Windows twelve listed at support with a support started first. Okay,
32:44
first off, we all know there's gonna be a Windows twelve, But why
32:47
is this special, right, because so next year, well, they're pushing
32:52
they're pushing for Microsoft says they're trying to push for the three year turnover.
32:58
I guess that means right, so right, but you gotta remember Windows seven
33:00
was out, Windows ten came out. When did when? Okay, I'm
33:04
gonna ask you when do you think Windows ten released? Windows ten? Windows
33:07
ten? What year did twenty twelve? I was gonna say twenty fifteen,
33:14
twenty fifteen? Was it twenty fifteen? Okay? So that's been what six
33:19
years? Six seven years of Windows ten? So Windows and Windows eleven released
33:22
in twenty twenty, right, so twenty years? So six years between Windows
33:27
ten and Windows twenty, Windows Windows eleven actually twenty one twenty one, so
33:31
they're trying to get that. If three years, that would be next year.
33:36
So what does what does Apple do with their OS? How long does
33:37
that? What is Apple's life cycle between OS eleven twelve or whatever? About
33:43
two to three years? I'd have to look back, but I don't know
33:45
exactly what they're what's the reason behind it? Why? Why why do they
33:51
need to keep releasing new OS? Is? Why can't they just six?
33:53
Yeah, well, new features, but why can't they just add those to
33:55
the existing I don't know, money hold, maybe that's it. There's also
34:00
there were. There was also rumors there was a blog that posted saying there
34:06
was some scraped details that said Windows twelve was gonna have some sort of subscription
34:09
model. Interestine, whoa. But then that got redacted and said, yeah,
34:15
that was towards a different part of Windows that would have subscription, like
34:19
like what sixty five or some other function within Windows that would have a subscription.
34:22
Well, we already had that with I I want to use as subscriptions.
34:25
So if I want to play Mind Sweeper, I have to pay a
34:28
dollar a month. Yeah, yep, I'm thinking. Honestly though, they've
34:31
got to work hand in hand because PC manufacturers, when it comes to Windows,
34:37
PC manufacturers need to sell computers. And let's face it, for a
34:39
while there, we got to the point where we were holding onto our computers
34:44
for nine ten years. Right. I bought my laptop back in twenty eighteen,
34:52
and I went on online the other day because it was having an issue
34:54
and I couldn't figure out why my sound wasn't working and Skype. Turns out
34:58
it was a Skype thing, but it actually was telling me that my computer
35:01
is coming to the end of its life, and I'm like, what is
35:05
that being I'm dying, man, I'm dying. I don't think wait a
35:09
minute, we would hold on to computers for a long time. It's got
35:13
to the point that they need to sell PCs. So having a new OS
35:17
with a new PC and maybe running this new meteor Lake is going to be
35:22
the way to do it. Gardner, which is a company that kind of
35:27
takes a look at the sales of PCs, so that worldwide PC shipments actually
35:31
declined nine percent in the third quarter of this year. Well, I think
35:37
part of that is due to the fact that more and more people are using
35:40
smartphones as their only source. Right, everybody's moving to smartphones, smart or
35:47
a surface or a iPad or something along those. Yeah, yeah, I
35:53
just mentioned being mobile is much more convenient these days. And why sit at
36:00
a computer desk when I can do everything from my phone? I mean,
36:02
dude, honestly, when I record this show, this is what I This
36:05
is the only time I touch my desktop in my basement anymore. I mean,
36:08
I've got my laptop now, I mean my laptop does everything I need
36:12
yep. And then I got my Xbox. But I want to play games
36:14
or whatever. But like the desktop, this is my baby. This I
36:15
built this, this is great. I mean I got a really nice process,
36:19
or really got a lot of remor. I don't play any games down
36:22
here anymore. I just don't. Caitlin rarely uses her laptop anymore. She
36:27
just uses her phone for everything. Yeah, because are work laptop too,
36:30
But outside of work, she rarely needs needs the use of a PC.
36:36
She does everything she needs to on her phone. Yep, So I could
36:38
see why PC sales would be down because people just don't need to use them
36:44
for everyday basic things. We're processing note, taking email. But if you're
36:50
a graphic artist or a video artist or whatever it on your phone you can.
36:55
But PC is still gonna mean yeah, the quality you're gonna get obviously
36:59
is better on PEACE. I can understand people buying them for work related purposes,
37:01
but right personal just you don't need a desktop anymore. But when it
37:06
comes to total shipment, they're talking about Lenovo they had the most in the
37:08
third quarter than HP, Dell, Apple Apples in there, Asus, acer
37:15
uh and then the others section. But I'm wondering where does the builders section,
37:20
because we're builders justin I don't think if somebody said, here, go
37:22
ahead and get a computer that you're gonna go out and buy an actual rack
37:28
system like an HP or a Dell. You're gonna say, no, let
37:30
me see what I can build, and I'm gonna be able to put it
37:34
together cheaper. I wonder if it falls into the same category. I think
37:36
more people are tech savvy that they would try and build their own system.
37:39
I mean, what what is that website we've talked about for years of PC
37:44
Partpicker helps you put it all together and you can look at historical prices for
37:49
like, you know, if you're looking at a CPU like, okay,
37:51
what's the general you know, CPU sales ben and you can see a graph,
37:55
a historical graph of how they're going down because not many people buy them,
38:00
so obviously that means prices are coming down. But at the same time,
38:02
you know, I guess it really depends on if you told me when
38:07
do you need to buy? Like, do I have to buy you a
38:08
computer? You know today? Yeah, I'm gonna go off the shelf.
38:12
Do I have a month? Okay? Yeah? Let me please to find
38:15
it out and I'll build it. What if you have a day a day
38:17
to build it? Obviously you can't do it from PC part bigger because you
38:21
got to wait for shipping time. So the best you're saying if I had
38:23
everything, if I had everything sitting here as parts next to me, or
38:29
I had a uber waiting for me to go to Best Buy, is that
38:31
what you're asking? No, I mean because I like, I built one
38:35
for that graphic shop in Tucson, told them five days and they were like
38:38
cool, because I said, here's what a rack system would cost you,
38:42
and here's what I can put together for you. And it was about five
38:45
hundred dollars cheaper. And if I had to do it in a day.
38:47
If I had to do it in a day, there's just there's no way.
38:51
I wouldn't have enough time by the time I'd go to a local shop,
38:53
you know, uh, to buy all the parts, get back to
38:55
the house, put it together. Troubleshoot what I did wrong? Because there's
38:59
all always something I've done wrong, you know, to make a power on,
39:02
like bag of screws here, What the heck? Why do I have
39:06
extra five screws? And why is this thing having smoke? That's not a
39:08
part of it. I didn't order the fog machine version. Uh No,
39:13
I probably would just go off the shelf. But if I had extra time
39:15
and I could sit there and plan it out, obviously, you're gonna get
39:19
a better deal if you build your own system and the experience, Yeah,
39:22
you get better every time. Last time I built this, this last iteration
39:24
of my desktop was the first time I never the first time I did not
39:29
bleed while building it. Yeah, actually literally really, oh every time every
39:32
time you fild a computer, right, you cut your cup. They're taking
39:37
out one of the PCI spacers out of the back. Back and forth for
39:43
the break. Sharp dude, all right, you take another quick break.
39:45
We'll be back with more of tech Talk Radio. I'm ADYE. Taylor,
39:50
I'm s the Word, and I'm justin. Let me find us on Facebook
39:52
at tech Talkers. We'll be right back now, back to tech Talk Radio.
39:59
New game just came out in game Pass earlier this week on Tuesday,
40:01
the latest edition. I think this would be considered number eight. But they're
40:07
just simply calling it for some motorsport. For not calling it for some motor
40:13
Yeah, for some motorsport eight and not calling it. They're calling it just
40:15
force some motorsport. And if you don't know what that is, it is,
40:20
well it's Motorsport. It's a racing game, but it's a racing simulator.
40:24
It's not arcade style. It's more of a simulator because it has accurate
40:30
physics, accurate handling of over five hundred different vehicles, accurate track physics.
40:37
They laser scan tracks. So it's basically the equivalent of PlayStation's Grand Turismo series,
40:45
which by the way, got turned into a movie with the dude from
40:50
Stranger Things that plays Hopper. Yeah, looks pretty awesome. Grand Turismo and
40:53
PlayStation super simulation. I mean like that's exactly what's known for, is a
40:59
racing simulation. Is it available for VR? Yes, because we're here at
41:04
the PlayStation VR. Yeah, we haven't heard too much about VR in the
41:07
last the last couple of months. It's kind of going through a no period.
41:10
I think Made a Quest two is coming out. They're gonna probably have
41:14
some some things going on with it. PlayStation VR two is out now,
41:17
they'll here, but we're not talking about play stations. We're talking about Xbox
41:21
right. Yeah, So with the Xbox no, there's or PC, there's
41:24
no. I don't believe, Sean. Maybe you can do some Google food,
41:28
but I don't believe VR is supported in Forts the motor support. But
41:32
you can go back and forth and argue with fanboys from either side. It's
41:36
like an age old question. It's like it's like Ford versus Chevy, Right,
41:42
who's better? Right? You got fanboys on every side. You've got
41:45
your Forts the fans, You've got your Grand Turismal fans. It just really
41:49
depends on which system you're on. But I personally I've tried both. I
41:52
tried Grand Torisma seven in the PlayStation. Awesome game, not gonna diss it
41:57
at all, but Forts the Motorsport at the time of this recording just came
42:01
out. I'm actually installing it right now. I'll let you know next week
42:05
what I think of that. Oh, it's I just started installing it in
42:07
a game pass. Now, if you have game Pass Ultimate, you can
42:09
play it on Xbox or PC. Correct, So maybe I should fire on
42:13
my Xbox two. I'm kind of wondering though. So with the game pass
42:15
thing, and we've talked about this before though, you pay a flat fee
42:20
per month and you get access to all these games. Oh my gosh.
42:22
Yeah, game pass is amazing. Yeah, game passes. That's a lot
42:29
of Hard four and thirty six PC games you play right now on game Pass.
42:34
I mean, okay, nineteen ninety a month. How much do you
42:37
pay for Netflix a month? I think sixteen seventeen months. Okay, it's
42:42
literally that. Huh, I'm going I was gonna get rid of Disney together.
42:46
Yeah. Yeah. You can play so many different games, and there's
42:50
there's a there's a huge selection of cross platform games that work both on PC
42:55
version versus Xbox version, like Starfield that new and that just came out,
43:00
or there's a ton of games that are only available on PC. And there's
43:04
also games that are only available on Xbox. But if you have game Pass,
43:07
you get them all. You get everything, and a ton of these
43:10
are like throwbacks to like the original Xbox or even Xbox three sixty. You
43:15
know, like there's a ton of throwbacks on there. It's not great.
43:19
It's great. Saving my quarters though, to buy the new Atari, that's
43:22
what I wants to right Yeah. Atari's coming out with their console, which
43:28
is going to be backwards compatible with your old Atari cartridges. So if if
43:35
you have those, that's one of the one there. There's gonna be a
43:37
couple versions, I guess, but one of them is going to be backwards
43:39
compatible, and then they also will sell a cartridge which is loaded with games.
43:45
So it's almost I don't want to say it's like ROMs, but it's
43:47
you know, it's hard getting back to the Atari days pretty much ROMs.
43:52
Yeah. If it's like if it's like one cartridge, a storage cartridge that
43:55
has like a ton of games on it, that's literally the definition of a
43:58
ROUM. Yeah. Yeah, but they're but so they're not gonna be it's
44:01
not gonna be like a built in all in one like the like the remakes
44:06
of the Nintendo and a Super Nintendo. It's gonna actually have a cartridge that
44:09
you have to buy that you put into it exactly just like the old school
44:13
days. You know, I don't know if you have to blow on it
44:15
before you remember that you had to blow on that and then you'd plug it
44:17
in and that was the only put put the cartridge in the freezer for three
44:22
and a half minutes, no more, no less. Yeah. Oh,
44:27
so many tricks to get your game stork. That was That was kind of
44:30
the fun thing about it. There was a story on uh I think it
44:36
was an ARS Technica. Gotta be careful what you buy online. You see
44:38
a great deal. Just because it's on Amazon does not mean it's a tremendous
44:45
deal. Oh yeah, they I think we we think that when we shop
44:49
on Amazon, were protected. But it would be like going into a flea
44:52
market and seeing somebody selling their wares and just going, oh, I trust
44:57
it because I trust this flea market, and you buy something you don't know
45:00
what you're gonna get. There was a story about a reviewer that saw a
45:04
three dollars seta SSD. Of course, okay, three dollars. First off,
45:09
there's a level of stupidity there. If they literally think that is a
45:14
true deal, there's just stupid. They listed it as one hundred and twenty
45:17
gigabyte SSD seta three dollars. But the thing is is you'll see sold it
45:23
with malware. You'll see that these are well, I don't know in this
45:28
case, but you'll see that it's been engineered to yes, give you one
45:31
hundred and twenty gigabytes, but yet you're not getting the speed that you would
45:36
get with a true SSD and of course not well, there was another thing
45:38
that was this is a couple of years ago or something, maybe like five
45:43
or six years ago, but there was like this Chinese company that was releasing
45:47
like a one terabyte a USB stick. Yes, but then when you would
45:52
plug it in, when you would plug it into a Windows machine, it
45:55
would register as one terabyte, but then it would fill up only like halfway
46:00
full, and it would say, you know, full is because it was
46:04
it was It was basically hacked to tell the operating system, yes, I'm
46:07
one terabyte, but I'm in truth, I'm only one hundred and twenty eight
46:09
gigs. Yeah, And that happens quite a bit, So you gotta be
46:13
really careful read the reviews. If you see a review and it's slamming it,
46:16
move on. And a lot of times, you know, especially with
46:19
these USB sticks, you know the ones that are like, you know,
46:21
one terabyte, two terabytes, whatever it is. You know, they they
46:24
do this on purpose because they know that not everybody's going to fill a one
46:29
terabyte stick right away. Now, It's gonna take months, if not years,
46:34
to fill up that stick. By then the warranty and the company are
46:37
long gone, right exactly, And that's what that's why some people were a
46:42
little nervous. And we talked about them last week about uh stack Social and
46:46
you know deal direct deals. They were nervous about them, but no,
46:50
they've been around and they're you know, they're doing reputable business. Yeah,
46:54
yeah, definitely, but I yeah, I get your point. You really
46:58
do got to be careful about what you buy Amazon. I know that Wise
47:00
is introducing a brand another camera now. But even though it's funny because New
47:07
York it was a New York Times, the New York Post had the written
47:09
the article about not giving them any props because of the way that their security
47:15
had been handled, and it's kind of got blown under the rug again because
47:19
it only only happened to ten people or something. But they there's it's so
47:23
hard to find any information about it because they're literally just scrubbing the internet from
47:27
it, so they're whitewashing it. You. Yeah, so they've had this
47:30
new one and even though they gave it a mention and said, oh yeah,
47:34
Whyse's got a new product. But like the others, we can't recommend
47:37
it. But for those people that want to take a chance and go ahead
47:39
and get the product, you know, there it is. Now, let
47:43
me ask the show. There's still great. They're still cheap and you can
47:45
get you can get the wise og camera, which is a newer version of
47:50
the original, like an updated version of the V one for seventeen ninety nine
47:53
right now on Amazon on their website seventeen ninety nine. Sean, will you
47:59
will you continue to wh why Scar after this this article that came out.
48:02
I've had zero technical issues with it and I don't use the part of the
48:08
service that was compromised, if you will anyways, So no interest in that.
48:15
Yeah, it sucks a little bit that they didn't publicly announce it.
48:21
They had the issue three years ago where they had the V one camera that
48:24
had all these security flaws that literally a cybersecurity company came up and said,
48:29
hey, whys you guys, we're gonna put you on blast because you haven't
48:32
wrapped this up, like you guys have this glaring hole and you're security figured
48:36
out. They figured it out, and they've put out a lot of good
48:39
cameras and like not only their cameras, like, but they also have home
48:45
automation stuff and I have a lot of their light bulbs, which that's how
48:49
you can see the blue behind me. I really really like their led strip,
48:53
their light bulbs, their color light bulbs, those of all worked really
48:58
really well for me, so plus the doorbell camera. I'm wrapped up in
49:01
the why stuff. In terms of their cameras, of course, yeah,
49:05
and I haven't had a problem with them, so I recommend them to people
49:09
because they're cheap, and I tell them they're cheap for a reason, because
49:14
you're not gonna get the level of support you're gonna get with one hundred and
49:16
fifty dollars ubiquity poe cameras or other things that require more fancy things right right
49:22
now, if I had, if it was a perfect world for me,
49:27
whyse so you could do this with a with a firmware hack if you're savvy
49:30
enough. I want to be able to record to a hard drive on a
49:34
computer in my basement. I want to have a streams of all my cameras
49:37
going to there so I can put it in my own system so I can
49:39
record all my own stuff. You can't do that without hacking the firmware's You
49:45
can just google it, you can find it. I'm not gonna point you
49:46
to it. That's what I want. I want the ability to be able
49:50
to record locally internally to a NAS or some sort of wise device, and
49:55
you don't have to rely on going to the cloud. Now I can record
50:00
to the memory cards, but then I've got to go to the camera,
50:02
download it to my phone. All this stuff, there's a bunch of steps.
50:06
I want it to be native in the cameras, to record to a
50:08
storage device on my network that I have full control over. I can set
50:14
up my own scheduling and all that stuff through there and not have to rely
50:17
on a cloud service. Yep, that makes sense. All right, Look,
50:21
got a tech quick break. We come back with more of tech Talk
50:23
Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm justin let
50:27
me find this online again at tech talk radio dot com. We'll be right
50:30
back and now back to tech talk Radio. I found a website earlier this
50:36
week. I was researching some AI stuff because I'm kind of, you know,
50:39
geeking out about that. There's a new website. I think it's been
50:44
out for a little while now, but it's called pie dot ai. P
50:46
I dot ai is it and artificial intelligence with Raspberry pie. See, I
50:52
don't know if it's I highly doubt it's runoff of a Raspberry Pie. I
50:57
mean it's it's hosted on websites and thousands of people so I'm sure it's probably
51:00
not Pie your personal AI. Yeah, my goal is to be useful,
51:05
friendly and fun, ask me for advice, for answers, or let's talk
51:08
about whatever's on your mind. So it's it's a little different than like chat
51:12
GPT or barred or claude. Is you know chatgybt, I could, I
51:17
could, I could, you know, tell it hey, Chatgypt. I'm
51:22
a got a feeling a little sad today, blah blah blah, and it's
51:24
gonna try to give me some sort of recommendation whatever. Now what pie AI
51:28
is a little different is is it'll try to mimic a human. It'll try
51:34
to talk to you like a human will. So you could potentially use this
51:39
as just like a chat friend where you can just like feel like you're chatting
51:43
with a real human friend. But you can also use it for you know,
51:46
other things like advice or for answers. So you could use it like
51:50
a chatgybt, like tell me how to make a small little Python script program
51:55
that would delete a file off of a computer, and it probably we would
52:00
tell you how to do it. I haven't dived too deep into PIE,
52:04
but I can see andy over here. Type and fears it's actually talking to
52:08
it. Yeah. Yeah, so you can talk, you can type to
52:12
it, and it'll also you can have it read what it responds with actually
52:15
in voices. You can pick six different voices. Oh, this is pretty
52:20
interesting. I like it. I obviously was asking about tech talk radio and
52:23
it pulled up some other show like you know, we've been at a lot
52:28
longer. And then they asked, is that the show? And I said,
52:30
no, I like listening to the one with Justin, Sean and Andy,
52:34
and they said, oh, you're a regular listener. That's great.
52:37
They do have a fun, lighthearted style, similar to the car guys.
52:39
I didn't say that boo, I did, but with a tech twist.
52:45
Uh. And then it's asking me about favorite segment that kind of so it's
52:47
kind of cool. So you're helping it learn. Yeah, you're definitely helping
52:51
it learn. Yes, of course. P I again, if you're not,
52:53
if you're not paying for it, you are the product. You are
52:55
helping it learn by talking to it. But yes, go ahead, Andy
52:58
with the website. It's PI dot AI forward slash Talk. All right.
53:05
Next week on the show, we're going to talk about something that Sean has
53:07
done. I've done it as well, buying a kit to help you repair
53:12
your own system. And they're out there and you got it for the same
53:15
company. What is that company, Sean, I fix It. I fix
53:17
it. That's it. So I've got one to great breakdown tatorials. You
53:21
can buy parts, pieces, the tools to do it. I fix it
53:23
dot com. All right, Well, you can even fix a logit tech
53:25
mice, which is kind of cool. So we'll talk about that next week
53:29
on the show. In the meantime, I want to thank you for listening,
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53:44
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53:52
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53:57
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54:00
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