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The Breaking Point: What Made a Secret Service Advisor Abandon the Democrats? · The TalkBlock Show's Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Individual rights, free speech, equal laws, equal application of the laws across individuals, not groups.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not that I'm I'm anti-woke, but anything that is well-intentioned, that gets out of control, and is used for bad purposes, is something I want no part of.
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  SPEAKER_02: Free speech is one of those rights.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's the First Amendment to the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it says you can say what you want to say, you can't threaten people, but other than that, you can't.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can even lie.
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  SPEAKER_02: They arrested these people for sedition.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Trying to overthrow the government.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Vadeen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today another engaging episode of our podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our guest is Joel Reiko, who is an author, a former Harvard postdoctor and fellow, and an advisor to the Secret Service.
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  SPEAKER_01: He wrote the novel Life in Woke America.
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  SPEAKER_01: This book tackles institutional overreach, foreign threats, and the power of family.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joel, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's start.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you uh tell us about yourself briefly?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where do you live?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's uh what you do quickly?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I live um half the time on a on a a very uh ranch in Texas that's so big that until the biggest fire happened two years ago, no living person of the family had seen the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Except by air.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I live in Newport Beach uh the other half of the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so my wife, this is my wife's um family ranch, and they came out, you know, the grandfather sold hay to the military during the Dust Bowl and the Depression.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he had a job.
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  SPEAKER_02: The people who got their 160 acres, which in Texas, you can't support a family with 160 acres.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not like Missouri, where you can have two cows and they can, you know, and they've got plenty to eat on 160 acres.
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  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't work in Texas.
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  SPEAKER_02: So so many people had to leave, and he bought up um acreage at like you know five dollars an acre and lived in a dugout in a hole in the ground with boards over it for decades while he was accumulating the land.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a pretty great story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a little bit about um about your book uh Life in the Uh Era of Woke, America.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh your protagonist, uh Javier King, is that his name?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: He ri uh rises from foster care um to battle.
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  SPEAKER_01: How much of uh your personal journey shaped his uh his path to becoming a patriot warrior?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, so he's he's an orphan who then goes in the military, who then starts a business, who and along the way, this is contemporary, um, he's mixed ethnicity, ambiguous.
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  SPEAKER_02: He kinda, you know, you know, he could be confused with uh Mexican, Lebanese, Arabic, you know, it just you know you don't really know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But he knows his mother was uh Mexican, but he doesn't know his father.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's that's kind of a mystery that runs throughout the book.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because um because you know he's doing this during a time when woke is woke, you know, um I made his identity be ambiguous and several of the people around him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because in a society where identity is the way you're you're perceived and the way you're organized, what happens when that identity isn't clear?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's how I kind of um you know frustrated um, you know, the the the social um you know uh dynamics in which he was growing up and living and um and you know maturing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and if it had been some other time, it you know, the the ambiguity of his of his ethnicity wouldn't have been that big a deal.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, it it's a it's a character, it becomes a character in the novel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um for myself, um I know the orphan uh uh uh life quite well because I'm a court-appointed special advocate for kids who are wards of the court.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I go into court and I advocate for them, and of course, out of court, I get to know them and I help them, and I kind of like, you know, just sort of become a mentor and a um someone who'll go to bat for them, who understands that you know what they're getting involved in and and helping them um you know get through those little um bureaucratic, organizational, personal um uh thresholds.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was never in the army.
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  SPEAKER_02: The closest I got was uh law enforcement in the park ranger as a as a national park ranger.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so really, you know, and um so okay, so in terms of identity, so I was born um Jewish.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was tall, redheaded, left-handed, in a in a um uh a town that was populated by a lot of Germans right after the war, and Oklahomans who had left the Texas area and migrated into this um southern area of California, not near the beach, but inland, right above Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, so there was a lot of ethnicity and stuff going on there, and I wasn't particularly, you know, mainstream, and um and so so I used those, you know, um uh the the lessons that I learned in the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I was a v uh uh uh an uh exceptionally good baseball player, and so everybody wanted me on their team.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's only because I could make the coats look good and have the other kids, you know, they'd win.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I kind of got the sense that, you know, if it weren't for that, you know, I might not have even been uh they might not have even you know cared about what I did and who I was.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, the you know I could I have a little bit of sensitivity to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I used that to kind of um build out the character.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And about you leaving the Democratic Party.
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  SPEAKER_01: It happened in 2020, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what specific moment pushed you to make that um hard decision to leave this party?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I was de uh my family was Democratic, you know, with so we had a uh affiliation with the uh voting Democrats, registered Democrats for three generations.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I'd been um you know, I've done the same thing, but I basically voted for the um for the person I thought was best at the time, the candidate.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I ended up probably voting Democratic, you know, maybe three times out of five, four times out of six, if I went and did the math and looked back at you know who I voted for.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I took the position that I was socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and I believed in a strong middle class.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: I felt that was my um North Star when thinking about social concerns and political matters, is that's how I I judged um the situation.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then right around 2020, I got the sense that there was no focus on the middle class anymore in America.
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  SPEAKER_02: They stopped talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what I didn't realize at the time was think about this the transition from judging the quality of our government by how strong the middle class is to taking this dramatic shift where all we think about is marginalized people.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's who we talk about.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it can they can be so marginalized they don't even have to be citizens.
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  SPEAKER_02: Think about the difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I heard about it and I'm like, is it even real?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like how how does it how is it possible?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: How is it possible?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: In America, it's not like some yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who, in their right mind, would say that's how you build a country is by thinking about other people.
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  SPEAKER_02: The people that represent, you know, 1% of the population, 3% of the population, 5%.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you take them all together, and yeah, maybe they're 15, 16, 17%.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: But probably not if you had the overlap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then which marginalized people are you gonna do?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is it really the um uh the uh sexual orientation one?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that gonna be the most important?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or is it the people that come from other countries legally and they have, you know, they come with a family and they have family aspirations, they're marginalized, but they're trying to get to the center, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're trying to get build the middle class.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the way they came.
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  SPEAKER_02: It used to be that we supported that, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But now, um, so I realized that the government was no longer representing my interest.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Number one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Number two.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so on this property, this ranch, there's some uh um oil and gas enough that there's money coming in from it, not huge sums, but uh you know, money is real money.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there was a point where we couldn't get loans, even after the fire.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't the the banks were s we saying no, because the money came from fossil fuels.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so we were now the target.
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  SPEAKER_02: We were that said we're the enemy.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're no longer not only do they not represent us, they're trying to take us down.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's the first time I ever felt uh um fearful of my government.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the third thing that happened was we were on the ranch during the COVID quarantine, and I go, I tell my wife, hey, let's go to the January 6th thing and see what's going on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um because it was a pretty big election.
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  SPEAKER_02: It didn't feel right.
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  SPEAKER_02: It didn't end, you know, it ended with with the other parties, you know, the Democrats winning at the last minute after we went to bed at you know two and three in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's when they won.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you had all those videos and all those concerns, and so um we didn't go, but then I realized, hey, I could be arrested.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: I could have been arrested for doing nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I said, hey, I'm I'm out of this, I'm leaving the party.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's when I decided to write the book.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because um it's not you know, I'm socially liberal, it's not that I'm I'm anti-woke, but anything that is well intentioned, that gets out of control and is used for bad purposes is something I want no part of.
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  SPEAKER_02: But at least before that I want to understand it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I wrote the book because it's not anti-woke at all, but the guy has to deal with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like the weather.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like if you plan a trip, you're not going to the rain, but you have to plan for when it's gonna rain, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you you you you you adjust.
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  SPEAKER_02: You go a little slower or you go a little faster, you take better wet better clothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how that's how it's portrayed in the novel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your novel draws on the discovery of a secret Chinese uh bioweapon lab.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh how do government betrayals unfold when uh confronted with this uh real world threats.
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  SPEAKER_02: How do how did I know about the details?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean uh how government betrayals unfold.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I'll take both ends of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll take both ends.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what's the reason it's in there for is exactly the reasons we were just talking about.
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  SPEAKER_02: In normal days, if uh we discovered uh an obvious Chinese bioweapon lab in the state of California that was unlicensed and secret and it was discovered, it would be headline news, the military would take act would would rise up and take action, the CDC would be there the next day to make sure that the you know the chemicals, the bioweapon materials were under control, and none of that happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: None.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: The CDC didn't show up for three months, and here's this little town, you know, got this, you know, a thousand vials of Ebola, hurt um hepatitis, um um COVID, um HIV, thousands of dead mice in barrels, you know, with um uh sulf I think it's sulfuric gas, whatever they put on it to make it so it doesn't smell so bad that there was in fact a congressional investigation, a congressional hearing, but it never made the newspapers.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was suppressed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So in the book, the guy participates in a program in which he's part of the discovery of the lab.
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  SPEAKER_02: He comes back to the to the base, he's the hero for two or three days among the enlisted, the other enlisted guys, because he like he's like you know, he's like known and he's done this thing that is like you know a threat to the country.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then two or three days later, these civilian army personnel show up, not in the command structure, but they have authority.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those things, those people, those people didn't used to be there.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: There was no such thing 20 years ago, 10 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they they um you know harassed him, uh, threatened him, tried to make him be quiet, you know, did all that kind of stuff.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, put them on a on, they did the same thing to him that they did to um Pete Hegseth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, oh shoot, what was her name?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um forget her name.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um the DNI that she just left.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um anyway, put them on the extremist on the list as extremist.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, and so that's why I selected that event because there's a lot of information.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had the whole report.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you heard the phone ringing, but the guy that called me actually grew up and outside of the place where that lab was found.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he's he's been I've known him for 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh so he introduced me to the city manager there and to an uncle who sells irrigation farming equipment out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: He'd lived there for a long time, and so I got I was able to interview them, and I had the um the congressional report, which is like 50 pages with pictures, um, sample, you know, letters that from to the guy that um um um you know that that leased the property secretly in his name and and and he's a known guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean he was a um anyway, we don't need to go into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so I had it, I had plenty of information, I had personal contacts, and so I could make that I could get all the details that I needed to support the entire story, and it runs through the whole thing.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: It is probably the may him coming of age, learning how to be a man, um, to be an adult, to be worthy of be of having a quality wife and a um and a and a family life.
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  SPEAKER_02: That story runs throughout, that's a thread, and then the other thread is the um the bioweapon lab because in the beginning of writing the book I assumed that this wasn't gonna be the only one, even though I didn't know it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then in March of this year, they discovered a second one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you hear about it?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you haven't heard.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I not surprised?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that one's in Las Vegas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: It did get reported.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the LA Times reported the second one.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the LA Times, theoretically the most important newspaper in all of California.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people would say the San Francisco Chronicle, but that thing died a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it's so much technology up there that you know newspapers that newspapers haven't done well with the technology.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, let's say LA Times.
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  SPEAKER_02: As far as I know, they never reported the first one.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the second one, it was so they've gotten so much heat for not reporting it that they finally did report it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was on the front page, but it was below the fold in a small article that with a headline that would not attract attention.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh so it's still, you know, it's still there.
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  SPEAKER_02: The media is definitely controlled.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because even with a different administration, they're still not reporting things that as citizens we should know.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: So nah, and nobody clearly knows who stays behind it or the lab, we know everything about it.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: We know every person who's worked there.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have lab notes, we have photographs, the the guy uh the and it's the same guy at California that was in Las Vegas.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: We know him.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's got a$300,000 warrant out for his arrest from Canada.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's how well known he is.
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  unknown: Wow.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I guess I've seen the news about that guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He got arrested, and probably he's in Canada now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know, something.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it it it I mean it's not it's not like top secret.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Gordon Chang, who's a uh very well respected um um technology China kind of um um um investigator and and and reporter.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know exactly w if he's with like with the Heritage Foundation or if he's just doing stuff on his own, but he's very well regarded.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: And um and he's talked about it.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: And he's even he has been he's been on the news, like he's been on Fox and he has talked about it, but it never goes anywhere.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't the big show on Fox.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was, you know, some little thing just so they could say they did it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's 100% surprised.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: You want to know more about it, don't you?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody I've ever talked to says, I'd like to find know more about it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I'm surprised they don't.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so that you know, it's kind of a little reflection on me that they don't, you know, I mean they they kind of accept it, because you know, I'm not really I have nothing to gain.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: If they hear it or they believe it or they don't.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, uh it's not enough that it's created any kind of you know uh firestore.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Joe.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh wanna talk also about the censorship.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: In today's uh publishing market, uh conservative voices uh face shadow banning and uh online suppression.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: How do you um how do institutions attempt to silence creators and uh how do you respond to this issue?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: That can be a long story and it can be a short one.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you we'll we'll I'll go layer, then I'll do another layer, and when you can stop me when you've had enough.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, please.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go for it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every single step.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: We've been banned.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Every single step.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll tell you a colorful little story.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, the first part, of course, is uh you know, none of the none of the big five publishers would touch my book.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't even respond to me.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we cleared that hurdle pretty quickly.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so I went to uh what I felt was the the number one hybrid publisher.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: And um so it's owned by a single guy.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's a business guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um all the people in that work for him um uh uh said you know nobody would say that that they were strong bel you know uh supporters of the book of the title, but Jay, you know, the boss, JJ, he's he definitely you know is he's he's probably more interested in my success because it's his business and he makes money off of it.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so they'll and and they like him.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so they just went through the the went they went through the motions.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: So was that.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: I had an editor.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: I got an editor.
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  SPEAKER_02: I gave him the first few pages.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: He um he looked at it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um he said um he said, yeah, hey, this is gonna be pretty good.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's good, it's got pretty rich writing.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll be a good um editing project.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so we signed an agreement.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: He um he started working on it about a week later.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: He he he um contacted me and said that uh it it rubs him the wrong way.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: And he's so far in the he's far enough along in his career he doesn't have to take work any longer that rubs him rubs him the wrong way.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: I called him my um Man Bun um uh editor because he's one of those things.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: So he definitely was you know on the other side, I guess.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so we you know we did all right.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: He gave the money back and we just went our separate ways.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: When we hosted the book, you know, the start promoting it before it came out, we used a billion-dollar web host provider who I've used throughout my career.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: If I've had 15 websites, 13 of them have been hosted by Bluehost, and um and they've gone on to you know to become pretty big.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: But what we discovered was that people who searched the site from a browser um saw the site fine.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: But if it came from any third-party companies like that have crawlers like um, you know, Wikipedia or um um news sites or um anything uh um Grok or AG Um OpenAI.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: If any of those did a search, all they saw was plain text.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: No menu, no graphics, no structure.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so they treated it as though it wasn't a real thing.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's how that's the press in.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Now we talked to Blue Host, and they said, oh no, we're not doing anything.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: But we knew they were.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: We're technical, I'm technical enough.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: I have people around me that are technical enough.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so here's the here's our strategic um pushback.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: So at one o'clock in the morning, there's me and two other people, and we're talking, and we because and we did it on a on a day that we knew would be the least senior tech support person would be answering the phone, you know, at one in the morning.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so and you know, we we we mentioned our problem, and of course, she told us, no, no, no, we're not doing anything.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is fine.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: And we kept doing it.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: We kept saying, no, that's not true because this happens, this happens, this happens, and we proved, yeah, things are happened.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: And she says, it's it's fine.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Okay.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, she said, so what do you want me to do?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And just exasperated.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I said, Okay, we got five things we want you to do.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we texted them to her, she went back into the back room, she did it, and that it worked fine.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: So she came back, she said, You were right, it is confirmed, and this was all captured on the transcript.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know how you get a transcript from the text support?
• 28:08
  unknown: Yep.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Word for word thing.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: So we got we have that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: So that's then we knew we were we were into it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um good reads.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um very nice site, it's very important site.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know it's owned by Amazon.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know that?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, actually.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: It is actually owned by them for about 10 years now.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: So when you get your you see the ratings on your on anything on Amazon, it'll have the Amazon rating, and right next to it and smaller, it'll say Goodreads rating.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: So Goodreads did about seven things so that the book wouldn't um do well.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I don't think Goodreads senior managers do this.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: I believe it's the people that work in the business, and management doesn't hasn't put the right controls in place to make sure that they're not doing it.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: They know it's happening.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I know that I knew that I could get to them um not technically, but um legally, uh-huh because they're not providing sufficient care if I could demonstrate that it was actually happening, and there's a big price because I'm launching not only the book, but also uh a mobile AI app that comes from the book, and we'll talk about that later.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's called the Liberty Chart.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: So both things are being launched together and they feed off of each other.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: So now instead of having a you know a book that might make$500,000 or something like that, they now had an asset that they were hurting that could be$30 million kind of asset.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a bigger, um, a bigger threat for them.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I had identified what they were in a cure notice, a very formal cure notice, because they have a policy statement.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: So by doing the cure notice and saying that in the next 10 days, if you get those fixes, um there won't be much damage.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: But because I'm launching both things together and you're at the top of the funnel for Amazon and other places, the damage is going to be measurable very soon.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and so the cure notice identified a couple of things, and you'll see how it impacts.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: They made two listings for the book.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Same book, two listings.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: You search for life in Woke America, you get two.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Totally identical, no difference.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Not a different edition, not a different title, nothing.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: So what does that do?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so you get 15 reviews on that one, and you get 13 reviews on the other.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: And um a lot of people don't they well, and not many people are very active on this book, you know, so maybe it's not worth me doing a review.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just kind of suppresses it, right?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um in the beginning, before the book had really been read and distributed, um, there were um about a third of them were one-star ratings with no words.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: And they weighed exactly as much as a five-star rating that's written and authentic, and it shows that it they read the book and it talks about their emotional response and all that kind of stuff.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: It cancels out to a three.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, no, so that's that's what it does.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the very best review, one review, beautifully written, very um complimentary, five-star review.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: They put a spoiler alert on it that says that it uh uh uh it's an alert that the it might you know spoil some of the plot things.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: I've read it.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: My uh people in my team have read it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's not a single, it's not as doesn't spoil as much as the lot of them on there.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's not even a concern.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: So then, so we got two listings.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: So now the book does pretty well.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it we we we've it became an Amazon, despite all this, it became an Amazon bestseller.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's currently got 4.5 star rating.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: 90% of the reviews are fours and fives.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: 10% are ones.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: And all but one of those doesn't have a single word in it.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you just want to.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: So really it's a 4.7, 4-8.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's like it's well done, okay?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, other people think it's well done.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: So when we go in the uh the rankings for you know, political thriller, suspense thriller, family book, we got we get two listings by oh oh, and they did it by format, too.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: So not only do we have um the multiple listings, so it's you know our counts lower than it should be, they'll have one that'll be the the the Kindle version, one will be paperback, and one will be hardback.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll have three places in the top 25 of a category rather than and we the top one will be number five.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: So rather than being number three or number two, you know, we got them spread all over.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so it suppresses that way, and then people see it elsewhere in the in the thing, and it's like it's numbered, you know, 39, 39.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: So that was just that was a battle we'd fought last week and won this week.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: When they got the when they got the um the cure notice, the next day they fixed everything.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: How many authors have the ex are very few are as old as me.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: Very few are as technical as me.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Very few have also written a book that this is gonna matter, you know, substantially, materially.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and has the the business and legal experience to to handle things in a way that doesn't, you know, make you look like you're an idiot or discredit you or cost you a lot of money or whatever.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel particularly able to take on this battle.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And um and so, and I knew it would be this way because they already pointed out that I'm the enemy.
• 35:24
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: When they took the bank account away.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: So you you say in your um in your profile that you look for um unique stories.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just a lot, right?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Just like this, yeah, exactly.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Joel.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hard times, but it's not, yeah, it's just part of life.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's not, you know, it's quite worth it.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's not, you know, I'm I you know I it'd be different if I were younger and I had a family, and you know, there was a lot at at risk, but I'm pretty well taken care of, and you know, I've had my successes.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: I took advantage of it when I had it.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because you when you're younger, you probably would be less patient, maybe took some wrong decision.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: But now you have to do that.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're more focused on how do you convert something to money quicker.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you just it's just the way it has it's just the way it is.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you and your podcast, right?
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: You need patience, consistency, and don't think it don't think about money at all.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um Joel, uh about uh constitution a little bit.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: When woke uh ideology clashes with foundational foundational freedoms, uh, where does the constitution step into to protect citizens?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's very important nowadays.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Joe.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's so clear that when there's a break.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: So the beautiful thing about the US America US Constitution is that it can be interpreted liberally and still be you'd be aligned with the Constitution.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: You can interpret it conservatively and it'd be aligned with the Constitution.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's flexible, it's resilient, right?
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's pretty much of a framework.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a set of laws, it's a framework on which the laws sit.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I like to say that you've got the Constitution as the bedrock of America, and then politics is everything up above it.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so um I can give some real I'll give some real clear examples.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: But in America, the Constitution is not up for discussion.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we can talk about improving it, making amendments.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's been, I think there's twenty some amendments that have been made.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, the Bill of Rights are all um amendments to the Constitution.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: So they set it up so that it would be a framework, not not a um like a um um not like a um a mold.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a framework.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: So what do our politicians have to do to align themselves with the constitution?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they have to accept that the rights belong to individuals, not to groups, and they have to accept that those rights are ours, granted by as though they were given to us from God.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you don't have to be a Christian, you don't have to say you believe in God.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's but the point is they're not given to us by the government, they can't take it away.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't belong to them.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's the point that it makes.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: So when you look at woke ideology, it immediately talks about groups, not individuals.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: So this group deserves this.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: This group, now they're saying who has the rights, not the rights being invested in each of them as individuals.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a break.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as you start doing that.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we broke with it in America, we broke with it for affirmative action, but that was done legally.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the Congress and it was voted, and and we all knew that it ran it was unconstitutional, and back in that day it was a pretty hot fight.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, it was done.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: But so that was it, that's an exception that was done the right way.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um free speech is one of those rights.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's the First Amendment to the Constitution, and it says you can say what you want to say, you can't threaten people, but other than that, you can.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: You can even lie, right?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, no law oh.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um so individual rights, free speech, equal laws, equal application of the laws across individuals, not groups.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um the the three branches of the government so that they got the checks and balances, and that's just about it.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: So if you can align with those principles, then you can go left and you can go right.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's the problem in today's world that the protagonist has to um um you know um navigate in his life and is trying to uh build a um build a life for himself is it's a little bit difficult because it's you know no they're not playing by the rules.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: People that he's interacting with, like those civilians, they're not in the rule book.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Civilians aren't supposed to be telling a soldier what to do.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, but they were.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, how does a how does a kid who doesn't even have parents figure that out?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's the story.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how the Constitution comes into play in this, is that at the end of the day, I mean it's only mentioned, I think, once in the book, but the values are there.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: And they're they're taken for granted in the story because that's because we're the story takes place in America.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we're the we're the so when the kid gets bewildered, why how what's you know, what are who are these people?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: Why do I even have to listen to them?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: So in the end, he figures out a way that he can he can attack back and not suffer their penalties, but he has to do it in a different way because he can't rely on them playing by the rules of the Constitution, you know, that he'll be.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, okay, here's another example.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Look, if he gets arrested by them, it's like the J6 guys.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know that they got arrested?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: No habeas corpus.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what that means?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, none not really.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, explain.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: So when you get arrested, they have to tell you why you're arrested.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: What did what law you broke?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: They cannot not do that.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: But they had what they said was they arrested these people for sedition.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to overthrow the government.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: Even though they were grandmas that, you know, like had never broken a law in their whole life.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, ninety-nine point nine percent of them didn't have weapons or posters or anything.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: But they said that they were guilty of sedition, but they never got charged.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: Not a single person was charged with sedition in a court.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then four or five years later they they got out.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: But they were always talked about as a group, seditionists, right?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they said in the newspapers.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: So they looked at the label.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, he you know, th that hadn't happened yet.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think in the story.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: At some point it hadn't happened.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, it was a um you couldn't take for granted that the police were gonna act right, the army was gonna act right, um the health inspectors were gonna act right, the newspapers were gonna act right, nobody was acting right by American standards.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: Of the which is only those four or five things of the um you know of the Constitution.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that that's a story.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's a pretty I like it.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a pretty cool story.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree, Joel.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about your um I'm curious about uh the app you created.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: You created an app called uh called the the Liberty Scorecard.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh how does this uh platform evaluate politicians and uh restore transparency overall?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: How did it come out of the story?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, uh I said uh uh how how does it evaluate politicians and restore transparency?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well so it's uh the it's called the Liberty Scorecard, and what it does is it looks at public-facing officials and institutions and work product.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it looks at what they've said, it looks at the what if they're legislators, it looks at what they voted for, it looks at what they've their policies are on their you know their their office website, uh and it looks at things that they've said.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it's all evidence.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: All legitimate evidence, it's not opinion and it's not hearsay.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so it creates a score, zero to a hundred, of uh their alignment with the Constitution.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: So with that score, it creates a card, like a almost like a baseball card, got the picture, got the title, has the score, and then it has four or five reasons for why that score.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: And you can agree with it, you can disagree with it, but it's you know, it's um evidentiary.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, even evidence doesn't you can say, well, I don't want to consider that.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's not that important to me.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I think on uh the guy Talo Rico, it does it actually makes one that uh um I think is um that it put too much weight on uh to give it a score.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just it's a m it's a conversation starter.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: So the app then when you get the card on your app, you can share it or you can post it to um Facebook or X or um Instagram and a couple of other places.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um And you can send it to thousands of people, you can send it to five people, and that's your power.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: But they they supposed to have this app on the phone in order to receive your Oh yeah.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, no, you don't need it to receive it.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can email you, right?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, email, okay.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: I can email it to you, I can post it on um uh let's say I can post it to Elon Musk.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: You probably follow Elon Musk, you'll see it there.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, on X or any social media, pretty much, right?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, oh yeah.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the app costs like five dollars a year, nine dollars a year, it depends how many you want to do.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: And um it's a way for people who don't have the the skill or the time to go and research the policies and the voting records for people that they want to know, like the school superintendent, the mayor, the city manager, the chief of police, uh your congressman, your state senator, uh your your governor, you know, people that it's a lot of work to do that.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: So all these all these databases will be in the app for all politicians and it's not database.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: It searches the internet.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: So okay, it crawls it crawls the internet, looks for the person, looks for evidence, it rules out opinions and all that.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's explicitly designed to do that.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And um and then it comes up, and then it takes so in in um in TV court you need uh beyond a reasonable doubt, right?
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, in civil court, you need a preponderance of evidence.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it still needs to be evidence, but you don't have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're accepting that the preponderance of evidence is how we support the score.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's open to discussion.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a it it's like look what I found on this on the school superintendent.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: She's you know, this either if you like it, that's great.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't, you can argue it and say, Yeah, but look at that reason.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: That one I don't you know, that one's not important.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: She shouldn't, you know, she's she's more like this guy.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: He didn't, you know, this one is the reason wasn't there.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: But we're now we can talk with about you know facts.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because we have evidence for two people and when we look at 'em.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: And we still get to make our decision.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: We may you know, I mean, in America, you really want somebody that's at least in the mid-range there, I think, that they know the Constitution, and sometimes they think it uh it works, and sometimes it, you know, maybe in this case it different, like in affirmative action.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's a reasonable thing to do.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: To to not do the Constitution not uh align with the Constitution on occasion.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: But if you do it all the time, you know, you're probably not gonna be a good uh um civil servant in America.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe in another country.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: And Joe, this uh the score, it's from zero to one hundred or from one to one hundred, what's the scale?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, zero to uh no one's ever gotten zero.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: But so this uh score it's created uh by artificial intelligence, it's AI, right?
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not uh who votes.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: AI, yeah.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it uses the new the I mean it's just so powerful as a researcher and an analyzer.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's not perfect, but it would take me three days to do the mayor of Amarillo, Texas, to really make certain that I got enough that I understood where he he is.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I could do it in 45 seconds with the app.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so they as I as I've understood, this app is already published, right?
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's on the App Store.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, uh we're just now getting the the um we've had people using it, testing it.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's acts accessible to the public.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: We're putting the um the payment um mechanism in place, the e-commerce function um you know this week, and we'll be uh it'll be for sale probably another you know two weeks or so.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: Cool, cool.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: And one more question about this uh it's only for the United States, correct?
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not for Canada or Mexico.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: Only where the US Constitution applies.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if you want to take it and do a uh um a Puerto Rican version or a uh Cuba version, uh you're free to do it.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Understood.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, some this is something your your um viewers or listeners uh might be interested in.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know the United States is the only constitution has the only constitution that um is explicitly supports free speech?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh in the whole world.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: I know it does, but I don't I don't know if it's the only country that's might be true, yeah.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so we go, well, what about UK?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: What about the United Kingdom?
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I just looked found out yesterday 69,000 people have been arrested.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: So when they crack down on you, you have no standing.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's what makes America, you know, because they've tried to crack down here.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I mean the government really got involved with Twitter.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: They were really trying to s to um you know control speech.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: And who was it, Mark Mark Zuckerberg?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: He he said the government also was contacting him to shut down some accounts or yeah, so something like that from previous administration, Joe Biden.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: So they tried to also silence many people.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, many, many, many people.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's slowly started happening here in Canada.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: Also, because we Oh, are you in Canada?
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm in British Columbia.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Oh, so have you ever been to Hope?
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hope British London?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's one hour from here, yeah.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, isn't that a great little place?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the uh Rambo First Blood was was shot uh in the 70s, right?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's 79 or something.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Rambo was?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, with still Sylvester Stallone.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's a little bit of a lot of things.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a statue and uh it's written here was uh it was a movie movie.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what it called sight.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see my did you see my statue?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what's Yeah, it's it should if it were there, it would say Joel Rako hitchhiked to Alaska from here.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, give me give me the give me the location, give me the picture.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so after my freshman year in uh playing of uh college, I was a baseball player.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so another guy on our my team and I, we decided we were gonna hitchhike to Alaska and we were gonna play on the Industrial League team up there.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: And um so I I remember standing in Hope as such a beautiful place, unbelievably wonderful, you know, it's like a location that I've never forgotten it.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: Even though yeah, I've never been back.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've been to um uh Vancouver a few times, but I've never gotten up there.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, that's pretty funny.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't and I I could even picture the places where uh uh you know it was it um it wouldn't have been the first one, um uh First Blood.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in Hope uh the First Blood was uh filmed, the first chapter first.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's where it was filmed?
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: The first one?
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, the movie was.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's great.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in those mountains.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: And we there's a lot of pictures and memes in the in the internet and can in Canada about comparing the what it looks what it looked back back then and now the movie set.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Joel, uh one more simple question.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: So where this book and app uh project heading next now?
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like what's what's the goal?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: What's the next step?
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the book and the app are a pair.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I expect to be selling the app and it it uh it's kind of like a um you ever heard the phrase of of a a one-person billion dollar company?
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: You ever heard that concept?
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I heard, yeah, yeah.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, I'm not that ambitious, nor do I have enough time.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I so I'm I'm trying to do like a one-person uh um you know, maybe five million, six million dollar thing with the book and um and the app, and my grandson, uh, who's the most um he was the most available and the most had a nice systems level kind of mind.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: He developed it under was I was the product manager, we did it together.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: He's now going to college as a freshman, and I'm gonna I'm trying to get it ready so that he uh he has it when he gets out.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: And the book itself.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I'm trying I'm I've spent a lot of time building the characters.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: And every almost every review will say that the characters are really they really like them, they've never met any seen met people that are quite like 'em.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_02: They're so believable.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um I can talk a little bit about that in a second, if you want.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I want them to become um, I want to create a portfolio of personalities that are licensable for humanoid robots.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: So think about it.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: You can download into the robot, and now you have like certain personality in this machine, okay.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so it would be saleable to organizations like school districts that have teachers' aides and restaurants that have servers and uh home health care companies.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, you may want to change out the personality, you know.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh a guest may say uh uh you know they'll be able to differentiate themselves.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a reasonable thing.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think there'll be a uh thing for it.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, go forward.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: This brilliant idea.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: So and so last thing, uh just to uh put a little uh bow on this.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um I live halftime in Texas, in a very rural part of Texas.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 300 miles.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Northern Texas, or it's more to southern way, way up north.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: 300 miles in all directions to the nearest town of any size.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know it.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty isolated.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I live the other half in Newport Beach, maybe four blocks from the beach, and right in the middle of the village of uh Corona del Mar.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I've got a very liberal set of people that I interact with, and in Texas, it's this cowboys and oil people and stuff like that.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so I brought these people together for the personalities in the um in the in the book, the beliefs, compromises that they would have to make in order to be integrated.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um so the characters are pretty rich.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I live that life.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, every two weeks we go, we're either in one place or the other.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: Good, good.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I'm doing.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, Joel.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much for uh being on my show today.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really appreciate it.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing your wisdom and doing the good things for people for the society.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: And guys, please uh visit the website which uh Joel has.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh Life in Walk America or am I saying it right?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, lifeinwalkamerica.com.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right, and uh all the social media and the links to his books will be down in the description.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Please uh like, subscribe, leave a comment down below, and see you next time.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: Bye bye.