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Trump Rages, Harris Rises · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Levitt. I'm Tommy Vitor.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. Slow week last week?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Who's this Walls guy?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: I like them. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I interviewed them. Again, I think to myself, imagine if
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  Speaker 1: today was the day that Lovett came back from Survivor.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been so funny. There were so many months.
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  Speaker 2: There's a new ticket? Who's that? How long was I gone?
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  Speaker 1: Is that guy Joe Biden?
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't look like Joe Biden. Like the end of
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  Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes. Yeah. It was Earth all along.
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  Speaker 4: And the funniest thing we could have done is been like,
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  Speaker 4: what are you talking about, man? It was always Harris.
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  Speaker 1: She's always been leading, no?
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  Speaker 3: Always.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Donald Trump's meltdown continues as his campaign
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  Speaker 1: scrambles to blunt Kamala Harris's rise in the polls. The
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  Speaker 1: vice president starts to lay out her own policy agenda
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  Speaker 1: and a trove of leaked Project 2025 training videos paint
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  Speaker 1: an even scarier and yes, weirder picture than you might imagine.
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  Speaker 2: No safe word in those videos.
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  Speaker 1: No safe word. But first, the Trump train is off
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  Speaker 1: the tracks, guys. It's off the tracks. Last week, we
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  Speaker 1: had a Washington Post story about how Trump's been upset
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  Speaker 1: and complaining about his campaign. Now Maggie Haberman and Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Swan have kicked things up a notch with an absolutely
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  Speaker 1: delightful piece in the New York Times headlined, Inside the
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  Speaker 1: worst three weeks of Donald Trump's 2024 campaign, people close
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  Speaker 1: to Trump say that he's in a terrible mood and
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  Speaker 1: has taken to calling Harris a bitch and telling donors
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  Speaker 1: that Democrats aren't calling him weird, only J.D. Vance. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not weird. He's the one who's weird. Per usual. Trump's
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  Speaker 1: latest breakdown has also been quite public. He spent the
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  Speaker 1: week calling the polls fake and accusing the Harris campaign
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  Speaker 1: of using AI to generate photos of their massive crowds.
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  Speaker 1: And then he really unburdened himself during his only campaign
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  Speaker 1: event of the week in Montana. Let's listen. You know.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to debate. If we didn't have a debate,
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  Speaker 2: he'd still be there. Can you imagine if we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a debate? Why the hell did I debate him?
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  Speaker 5: Kamala is grossly incompetent and, in my opinion, has a
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  Speaker 5: very low IQ. But we'll find out about her IQ
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  Speaker 5: during the debate, okay? Let's find out about her IQ.
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  Speaker 5: I think suburban women like me a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's fake stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they?
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they?
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  Speaker 2: They got this woman, Maggot. Hagerman. Did you ever hear
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  Speaker 2: of it? Maggot Hagerman.
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  Speaker 5: She's a reporter. If Comrade Waltz and Comrade Harris win
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  Speaker 5: this November, the people cheering will be the pink-haired Marxists,
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  Speaker 5: the looters, the perverts, the flag burners, Hamas supporters, drug dealers,
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  Speaker 5: gun grabbers, and human traffickers.
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  Speaker 1: No, we're not.
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  Speaker 5: We're very solid people.
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  Speaker 2: We're not weird.
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  Speaker 1: We're very solid. I... I wanted to cut it that way, too,
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  Speaker 1: because I like that in between calling Kamala Harris low
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  Speaker 1: IQ and referring to Maggie Haberman as Maggot Hagerman, he said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why suburban women don't like me and
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  Speaker 1: they love me.
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  Speaker 2: That was an hour and 40 minute speech, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: in Montana. Hour 40, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Same Trump as ever? Or
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  Speaker 1: does he seem a little more off his game than usual?
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is, you know, it's sort of, yes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is Trump. This is Trump when things aren't going well.
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  Speaker 2: He is angry. He is frustrated. He obviously has no
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  Speaker 2: one to blame.
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  Speaker 1: Undisciplined all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: But himself. So it is just... I mean, what, you
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  Speaker 2: guys have never gone through a bad breakup? You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: He didn't want it to go this way. He wanted
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  Speaker 4: to stick it out, get some couples therapy. But Joe,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he had other plans.
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  Speaker 1: It is very funny that he just keeps talking about
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He's obsessed with him. Not even to attack
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, but to be so sad that Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: has left the race.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: he just truthed, I think before we came in here,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, Joe Biden admitted that was the pressure campaign
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  Speaker 1: from the Democrats that forced him out of the race.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That was the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He admitted it all started with the debate. Well, yeah, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Did he watch the debate?
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  Speaker 7: We did.
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  Speaker 2: Were you there? It's like he fell down pole vaulting
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, it was the wind. It was this. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he caught his dick on the, we're talking about that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about that. Sure. But it is like
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  Speaker 2: also like No context needed. But like, oh, this is,
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  Speaker 2: of course, what Trump would say in his hour and
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  Speaker 2: 40 minute speech in Montana, which is not a state
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  Speaker 2: in which he has any threat.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly an event they planned weeks ago when he was
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  Speaker 1: beating Joe Biden and thought to themselves, like, we'll help
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  Speaker 1: the Senate candidate there. beat Tester because he wanted, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure he had a Republican Senate.
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  Speaker 4: Lovey, you made this point before I went on vacation
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  Speaker 4: when he was.
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  Speaker 2: In Minnesota doing an event.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, well, clearly this was like pre-shake-up scheduling.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously they're going to adjust and start going to smarter places.
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  Speaker 1: Like, no.
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  Speaker 2: You have to fly over virtually every swing state that
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  Speaker 2: he has to win to get to Montana from New
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  Speaker 2: York or Florida.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like he's still in the White House where
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  Speaker 1: it actually is tricky to reschedule stuff because you have
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  Speaker 1: all the, yeah, it's just a, he's just a, Private
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  Speaker 1: citizen with a plane. He's not campaigning.
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  Speaker 2: He's not campaigning. Well, not his plane.
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  Speaker 1: Not his plane. That's right. Apparently, it's Jeffrey Epstein's plane.
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  Speaker 4: Which is, I mean, if we were Republicans, this is
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  Speaker 4: all we would talk about from now until Election Day.
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  Speaker 2: He's on Jeff Epstein's plane. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Not the first time, right?
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  Speaker 5: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, he's like, oh, you know, you got
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  Speaker 2: to jiggle the handle when you flush.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's been on it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. Because he knows the plan. Yeah, he knows.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But he's also, he's out there, he's talking about Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 1: He was like attacking Joe Rogan last week because he
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: thought Joe Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. And then Joe Rogan's like,
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  Speaker 1: I just said I liked RFK Jr. He did this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. He's just going in every different direction at
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  Speaker 1: this point.
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  Speaker 2: Maggot Hagerman?
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  Speaker 1: Maggot, yeah, what?
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  Speaker 2: So, by the way, a story that only exists probably
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  Speaker 2: because he called her. He calls her all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he called her for this.
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  Speaker 4: I texted Maggie to say, is Maggot Haberman new? And
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  Speaker 4: she said, no, unless you think February of 2022 is new.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess we'd miss this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Maggot would know.
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  Speaker 2: She's the best source on this subject.
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  Speaker 1: She would know that. No, I guess he called her
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  Speaker 1: very angry in Jonathan Swan because he's been telling the
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  Speaker 1: story about how he was in a helicopter crash with
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  Speaker 1: Willie Brown.
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  Speaker 4: It was just another black elected official from California, not
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  Speaker 4: even San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Just fully racist.
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  Speaker 1: And very mad at them for correcting that. He's doing great.
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  Speaker 4: The other part of the story was he claimed that
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  Speaker 4: Willie Brown was saying bad things on this helicopter while
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  Speaker 4: it almost crashed about Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: What are the odds to turn out zero?
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  Speaker 1: Do I have a story for you that I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been telling? What did you guys make of the time
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  Speaker 1: story from Maggie and Jonathan? Any other nuggets in there
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about?
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  Speaker 2: I do appreciate just he is so angry about and
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  Speaker 2: so self-destructive that he had an aide send angry texts
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  Speaker 2: to Miriam Adelson criticizing what that super PAC is doing
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  Speaker 2: on his behalf.
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  Speaker 1: Saying it's run by rhinos.
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  Speaker 2: Saying it's run by rhinos. And it's like, you know, Don't.
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  Speaker 1: Look a gift horse in the mouth.
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  Speaker 2: It's just somebody doing that for you as a favor,
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  Speaker 2: my friend.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Sheldon Adelson's widow, who I think the story said the
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  Speaker 4: PAC was spending $ 18 million.
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  Speaker 2: That week on ads in support of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And he sent an angry text. Also, the whole story
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  Speaker 1: is basically this dinner with donors.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's clearly a source of Bill Ackman was there.
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  Speaker 4: For those who don't know Bill Ackman, he's an insufferable,
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  Speaker 4: arrogant hedge fund prick. who decided to endorse Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: the day of the assassination attempt. Because what people needed
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  Speaker 4: to hear that day was whether Bill Ackman endorsed, because
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  Speaker 4: he's that self-important. And this guy, he's one of these
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  Speaker 4: rich guys who's like, just wants a tax cut, just
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  Speaker 4: wants deregulation, just convinced himself that Donald Trump has changed
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  Speaker 4: and he can make this about policy. And they sit
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  Speaker 4: down at this asshole rich guy table and Trump just
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  Speaker 4: starts ranting about stop this deal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he also, and someone was like, what are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do to turn the narrative around? And like
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  Speaker 1: lay out your positive vision. And I guess then he
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  Speaker 1: just like attacked Kamala Harris for a couple of minutes
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  Speaker 1: and at the end said, I am who I am.
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  Speaker 1: He also told the donors that the Democrats have tried
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  Speaker 1: to kill him. So he's doing the whole J.D. Vance
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  Speaker 1: line that the assassination attempt was somehow related to Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: even though there's been no evidence at all.
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  Speaker 2: Was there an assassination attempt?
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  Speaker 1: There was an assassination attempt. Yeah. And he wants everyone
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  Speaker 1: to be clear that it has not made him nicer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he keeps saying that.
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  Speaker 1: It has not made him nicer. He wants people to
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  Speaker 1: understand that. Also, private poll in Ohio that has him
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  Speaker 1: under 50% in Ohio. That's real, by the way. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard it was Bernie Moreno's campaign. Oh, interesting. Running against
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  Speaker 1: Sherrod Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I like that a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows?
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  Speaker 2: This is getting too good.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, it doesn't, it also just, like, he's
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  Speaker 2: under 50. It doesn't say Kamala Harris is winning in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she's not.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that he's not over 50.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, if anything, it just feels good for Sherrod. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty obvious that Trump hasn't settled on a message about Harris.
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  Speaker 1: The campaign seems to be lurching between Three different and
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  Speaker 1: potentially contradictory attacks. Radical San Francisco liberal, four more years
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  Speaker 1: of Biden's failed policies, and a flip-flopping fake who can't
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  Speaker 1: be trusted. Time Story made it sound like they're going
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  Speaker 1: with flip-flopper, and Trump accused Harris of that in a
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  Speaker 1: Truth Social post this morning, where he promised that with him,
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  Speaker 1: there will be, quote, no flipping. No flipping with me.
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  Speaker 1: But then hours later, he made his triumphant return to Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: to post a video titled, Meet San Francisco Radical Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you guys think they can't seem to land
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  Speaker 1: on a message here? And which one worries you the most?
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  Speaker 2: I do think like two of the three just don't
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  Speaker 2: land that hard with Kamala Harris. That like it's just
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  Speaker 2: I get wanting to like trying to paint her as
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  Speaker 2: a radical when she's out there calling herself a prosecutor
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  Speaker 2: every day and standing next to Tim Walz, which is
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  Speaker 2: just like normal personified, I think doesn't land as well. Also,
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  Speaker 2: like this idea of painting her as like a candidate
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  Speaker 2: of the administration in the past, I think is just
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  Speaker 2: not landing as well because she feels so exciting and
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  Speaker 2: new in part because her campaign is only three weeks old.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's why you kind of end up
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  Speaker 2: landing almost by process of elimination on fake flip-flopper.
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  Speaker 4: You know, do you guys think the radical liberal and
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  Speaker 4: flip-flopper chameleon are mutually exclusive in this context? I think
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  Speaker 4: I'll combine them.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can combine them because I think what
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to say is she's fake and phony. in
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: trying to present herself now as more moderate and mainstream.
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  Speaker 1: And the truth about her is that she's a crazy
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  Speaker 1: liberal lunatic. So apparently one of the super PACs just
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: announced they're going to spend $ 100 million in the swing states,
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  Speaker 1: $ 100 million ad buy, based on the theme, people will
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  Speaker 1: elect a liberal but not a lunatic. Now, again, this
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  Speaker 1: gets back to your point, which is like painting her
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  Speaker 1: as a lunatic when everyone is seeing her every day
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  Speaker 1: now on the campaign trail and she's just sounding like,
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  Speaker 1: joyful and reasonable and, and, and moderate sounding like a mainstream,
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  Speaker 1: just like a mainstream Democrat. Like it's just, it's a
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  Speaker 1: hard one to do, but I understand it is, it
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  Speaker 1: is process of elimination.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to try to say, look at all the
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  Speaker 2: lefty stuff she did in California. Look at these 2020
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  Speaker 2: primary positions. Now she's trying to walk away from them.
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  Speaker 4: And then you make it a character and a policy attack,
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  Speaker 4: which I actually think like the best attacks are a
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  Speaker 4: combination like that. I think most voters actually don't really
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  Speaker 4: care if you flip flop on positions. If you end
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  Speaker 4: up in the right place, you're better off.
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  Speaker 1: Just about to say that because the challenge for John
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  Speaker 1: Kerry in 2004 was he was flipping, flopping and then
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  Speaker 1: flipping back to the old positions like within the same campaign.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: On the Iraq war, which was the most salient issue
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  Speaker 4: of the entire election.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. If all she has done is that like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there were some positions I took in the 2019, 2020 primaries.
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  Speaker 1: And then, by the way, I just had four years
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  Speaker 1: of working with Joe Biden closely in the White House
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  Speaker 1: where we got a lot of bipartisan accomplishments done. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of sort of mainstream accomplishments done. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what we did. I think that that's her best defense
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  Speaker 1: on that. And her tenure as vice president makes it
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  Speaker 1: difficult to paint her as this radical liberal.
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  Speaker 2: I just think back to the 2020 primary and why
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: we're seeing such a better version of Kamala Harris now.
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  Speaker 2: And like you look at those moments that the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: are elevating and Yes, she's taking left positions that she's
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  Speaker 2: now disavowed. But you can also see that she's uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: doing it and doesn't seem like.
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  Speaker 1: Many of them were.
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  Speaker 2: Many of them were. But so like- Looking around before
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  Speaker 2: they raise their hands. Yeah, looking around before they raise
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  Speaker 2: their hand. Or like, should people be able to vote
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  Speaker 2: while they're in prison? Well, that's a conversation we need
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: to have.
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  Speaker 1: People illegally crossing the border. Traffic ticket? Yes. Good.
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  Speaker 2: Should the Boston Marathon bombers be able to vote in prison?
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  Speaker 2: One was a moment you could see it was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been asked this. I don't know. And not thinking,
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  Speaker 2: what do I think? But more like, where am I
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  Speaker 2: trying to situate myself right now? And so I do
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  Speaker 2: think she just seems more comfortable being this version of herself,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I just don't think these attacks land.
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  Speaker 1: The other challenge with doing the, oh, she's just a
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  Speaker 1: continuation of Biden's failed policies on, and I think they
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: will zero in on immigration and inflation, is their criticism
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  Speaker 1: of Biden and his policies wasn't never based in ideology.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like Biden's a crazy liberal and that's why
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  Speaker 1: inflation's bad or the border's a mess. It's that Biden's
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  Speaker 1: weak and old.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So because that was their criticism, it's hard now to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: we have immigration issues and cost of living issues because
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  Speaker 1: they were too liberal.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a hard thing to do. They really did
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  Speaker 1: plan their whole campaign around... Biden being old and thus weak.
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  Speaker 4: There was a subtext though, that was like, Biden is
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  Speaker 4: so old and out of it that actually Kamala is
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  Speaker 4: in charge and the radical left green new deal ghost
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  Speaker 4: of whatever, like AOC is running the show that, but
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  Speaker 4: that was a bit of a subtext thing that they
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  Speaker 4: never really pushed hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny that like even John Kerry, right. That
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  Speaker 2: like there was that, you know, he had this moment
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  Speaker 2: where he said, I actually voted for the $ 87 billion
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  Speaker 2: before I voted against it. And like tough line, tough line,
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  Speaker 2: but the attack on him as a flip-flopper, really did
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  Speaker 2: work with the kind of senatorial version of him that
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  Speaker 2: we got. And it kind of fit with like an
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  Speaker 2: impression of him that he had created and that Republicans
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: were spending a lot of money to create over a
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  Speaker 2: long period of time. Like they just don't have time
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  Speaker 2: right now to like create the framework to define Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris as fake or phony so that future moments can
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: be fit into that frame.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: The other senatorial thing about it was John Kerry spent
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: most of that campaign trying to say, no, no, I've
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: been consistent. Which is what happens when you're a senator
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: with a long record. I've seen Biden do this. I've
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: seen other people who've been in the Senate a long time.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Instead of, which he should say when it happens at
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the debate or an interview, is just like, ah, changed
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: my mind. You know, I've had experience over the last
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: four years about governing the entire country and not just California.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Because it got to him.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: And I just, this version, like, there's a kind of
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: toughness to the way Kamala has been campaigning that I just,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: she's not gonna let them get to her.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you guys make of Trump's return to Twitter?
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's got to be some sort of quid
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: pro quo with the Elon Musk interview, right?
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Obviously.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, I'm sure there are some Trump
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: aides who have been very glad over the last couple
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: of years that Trump isn't tweeting out to 88 million
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: people his every thought. That said, there's others who are
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: probably thinking, we got 88 million people following this guy
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: and we're not using this tool in the middle of
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: a campaign, right? I mean, To me, the most interesting
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: part of this is what it means for Truth Social
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: and the Trump media and technology group, because that is
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: trading on the NASDAQ. It's a publicly traded stock. Last May,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: they announced a quarterly revenue of $ 770, 000 and losses of
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: $ 328 million. So this is a company that has no
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: actual value. It's not trading on fundamentals. It's a way
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: to bribe him. He owns 60% of the company. And
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: I assume that he was staying on Truth Social as
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: a fig leaf to pretend that there was some sort
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: of veneer of value to the DJT stock. But I
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: guess it sounds like the Trump campaign is telling reporters
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: that he's on Twitter for good now.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Well, here's my... Right now, Trump is not on Twitter.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: The Trump campaign.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Is on Twitter. Truth Social is still getting the good stuff.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: It's getting the pure, uncut Trump crazy.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Your La Sevilla or these people... Twitter stepped on. You want...
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: The ideal version of this is you keep Trump in
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: his little sandbox, ranting and raving on Truth Social... and
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that they can use the Trump account on Twitter to
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: post on-message stuff. I don't know. He's going to send one.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: He's going to get those mentions. Well, that's the question.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: It's literally just like, how does he get access to Twitter?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Because he can't post. He writes them down or dictates them.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: To Scavino or whatever. To whoever's in earshot.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: To whoever's been texting... Miriam Adelson.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Send this one.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I meant that as a post, not a text. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the Trump campaign has assigned furniture enthusiast J.D. Vance to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: play the role of attack dog, which is often the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: case with a running mate. The only issue here is
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: is that Vance has arguably generated the worst headlines of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: either candidate on both tickets over the last several weeks,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: which might be why he tried for a reset this
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: last weekend by appearing on all the Sunday shows. Let's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: hear how he did.
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: Nick Fuentes, of course, he's an avowed white supremacist. He said,
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: what kind of a man marries somebody named Usha? Clearly
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: he doesn't value his racial identity, his heritage. I mean,
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: this is racist garbage.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But this is also a guy that dined with Donald
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Trump at Mar-a-Lago during this campaign.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Well, Donald Trump doesn't know anything about and frankly doesn't
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: care for.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Trump still hasn't given a full-throated denouncement of this guy
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: who is, said that terrible stuff, but he said, I mean,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: he's a white supremacist.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Look, President Trump.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: Has issued plenty of condemnations on this. The one thing
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: that I like about Donald Trump, John, is that he
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: actually will talk to anybody, but just because you talk
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: to somebody doesn't mean you endorse their views. And look,
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, Donald Trump spent a lot of quality time
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: with my wife. Every time he sees her, he gives
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: her a hug, tells her she's beautiful and jokes around
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: with her a little bit. I'm not at all worried
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: about Donald Trump.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be, pal. That's weird. Quality time.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I guess what he was trying to say there is
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think Donald Trump endorses Nick Fuentes' horribly racist,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: disgusting views of my wife because Donald Trump is nice
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to my wife. And he only had dinner with Nick
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Fuentes because he didn't know who he was or he
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: didn't know who he was but doesn't agree with... He
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: still talks to people he doesn't agree with. Great stuff.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Great explanations. Really nailed it. I saw some people say
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that they thought that Vance did better in these interviews
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: than recent.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: He's better than a bunch of couch sex memes.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. Better than the worst rollout of a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: VP candidate in our lifetimes. I.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Sarah Palin. Oh, no, that was a good rollout.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Sarah Palin was crushing it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: That was actually a great rollout. It got worse later.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Then Katie Couric got involved.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie Couric.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: The gotcha question of read anything lately? Save the country.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Save the country. Read anything lately? Fucking change the trajectory
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of history. But I watched the whole Margaret Brennan Face
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the Nation one, and I actually thought it was a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: good interview, and it was a good interview for Vance's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: given how bad he's been. I was trying to watch it. Like,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: what if I hadn't been seeing three to four weeks
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: of just godforsaken coverage that made this guy seem terrible
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and you see some of the strengths he would have
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: brought to the ticket like it would have yeah absolutely
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: but like he talks about like sort of populist economic
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: issues on child tax credit on antitrust on on a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: few other policy things uh you also see why like
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: he is this sort of intellectual kind of defender of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: MAGA and how that might have been something that could
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: have been useful to them or that they thought was
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: an advantage. But then you just, he's so off-putting even
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: when he's at his best. And you think, what were
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the strengths that J.D. Vance brought to this ticket? And
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you just don't think they would have chosen him if
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they thought they had to play it safe because he
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't balance Trump out in terms of his personality. J.D.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Vance is just as much of an asshole, but less charisma.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't balance him out on policy. At least
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Mike Pence... had kind of like this staid, reserved, institutional vibe.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And he sort of complimented him by being a Christian
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: right person, a family values type conservative. There's nothing like
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that with Vance. You don't need an attack dog when
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is at the top of the ticket. You
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: need someone that makes him seem safe, makes him seem normal,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: makes him seem someone you can vote for while sleeping
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: at night. And Vance just doesn't do that, even when
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: he's at his best. In that CBS interview, he had
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: some good moments. They're union messaging is that Harris is
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: pro-trade and pro-green energy policies that will hurt autoworkers, for example.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And like that kind of approach to, you know, try
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to peel off union voters, I think can be effective
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in some contexts.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: He also got pressed on why he wants to end
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: mail order sales of Mifepristone because of the Comstock Act,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: like really radical stuff. So like he's a mixed bag
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: because he's got some extreme policies that smart reporters will
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: push him on. And then they'll also ask him about,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: you know, Donald Trump dining with Nazis and also, you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: hedging on whether members of the military in Afghanistan who
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: helped U.S. troops should be allowed into the country because
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Trump wants to end all asylum.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: So, like, he's got a tough situation because he has
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: to defend Trump's terrible policies. He said a bunch of
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: weird shit. And then he's just not very charismatic.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Every time Trump is asked about picking him, Trump says, oh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: he's good for the working man. He's good for the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: working men and women. Right. The workers like him. You
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: could make an argument, I'm sure that some of Trump's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: advisors did, who wanted him to be selected, that he
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: has more of the intellectual heft than Donald Trump to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sort of dress up the bullshit economic populism that they're peddling.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: The challenge is, even on that child tax credit answer,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, would it be effective if there was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a Republican nominee who was saying, you know what? Like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I do think that we should help people with children.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that we shouldn't have children in poverty
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and we should use our tax system to do like, yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that would be effective.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: But J.D. Vance and Republicans have been the ones blocking
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the extension of the child tax credit for the last
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: several years now.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You see this on on abortion rights, too. Right. For
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the longest time, the right was, oh, we're going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: you know, if we are going to do all this
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to overturn Ruby Wade, we have to make life easier
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and better for new moms and families. And of course,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That part of the agenda never came. He says, oh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I'm against universal childcare because that only benefits a certain
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: kind of family, but I'm for rewarding all parents. But
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: then push comes to shove. They don't ever actually get
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it through.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: They're still part of a party that just doesn't do
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: any of the things that they're pretending they care about
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on their new economic populism agenda.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I want to hear a little fun breaking news that
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: just came through our Slack. Apparently, We've all been reading
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: about how the Iranian hackers might have infiltrated the Trump campaign,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: gotten into somebody's email, et cetera. It turns out it
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: was Roger Stone's email account.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: According to the Washington Post. So there could be some
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: interesting stuff in that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So they blamed the Iranians, but now they think that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: maybe it was just Roger Stone.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: No, no, no.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Roger Stone's email account was the one compromised by
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the Iranian phishing attack.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: So you think there's probably going to be some interesting
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: stuff in there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's fun.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: The phishing attack that, hey, we saw you across the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: room and we really liked your vibe.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Developing, developing story. So other Republicans are also getting in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: on the fun of attacking the new nominee. James Comer,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: head of the Oversight Committee, House Oversight Committee, who's spent
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the last two years trying to investigate and impeach Joe
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Biden over nothing, told Fox News that his committee will
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: now turn their attention to Kamala Harris and investigate how
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: much money the migrant crisis has cost the government. Think
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he'll be able to make that a thing?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: First of all, I just it there have been so
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: many wonderful aspects of how the dynamic has changed over
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the last three weeks. But one I just hadn't really
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: thought that much about is the fact that House Republicans
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: have spent the last two years trying to drum up
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: controversies and scandals and impeachment inquiries in order to tar
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and tarnish Joe Biden. And it was a waste of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: their fucking time. They did it for nothing. They got
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to nothing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Biden crime family.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: The Biden crime family, they're going to sail from the sunset,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: hopefully with a couple of pardons, which I support. I do.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Throw some on there. You guys have been through enough.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Take one for the team. Joe, 50 years of service.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Take one for yourself.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Throw a couple of pardons. By the way, put us
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: on the list. You're probably mad at us. Bad time
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: for that. We'll ask for the pardon later.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: He's not going to fucking arrest us. Lose-lose for us
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: no matter who wins.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I just think it's also... We've all skipped over just
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the head-spinning aspect of, like, we're a congressional oversight committee. And, oh,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: by the way, what we were doing with President Biden
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: was just to take him down politically. Now we must
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: take down the new nominee politically. So we're going to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: drum up a fake investigation or just, like, announcing it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Just announcing it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I think the.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: The truth was revealed to me about this committee during
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: the 5,000 Benghazi investigations.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Well, didn't like Kevin McCarthy just like basically say to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a reporter, like, we're going to use this to take
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: down the president.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're, look, it's August. I don't think
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: they're going to have much time to be holding hearings.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Good luck subpoenaing documents and going to court to try
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to get them.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Also, it's like, look, it's not a corruption scandal involving
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a Ukrainian energy company. It's the border. It's on television. Right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: What do you, yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: No, people know it's a problem. They're aware.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Kamala Harris and Tim Walz who are
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: getting such good crowds, polls, fundraising, and media coverage. It's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: making me nervous.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It's making me nervous. I know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I know. Our crosstab king, Nate Cohn, came down from
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the mountain this weekend to bless us with a new
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: round of New York Times Sienna polls that show Harris
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: up 50-46 in each of the three blue wall states
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Don't believe it for a second.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Where Biden had been tied before the debate and very
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: behind afterwards. A new poll from North Carolina shows the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: race there may be tied and average is closing at
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the very least. And a huge week of swing state
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: events wrapped up with a rally in Vegas in front
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of more than 12,000 people. The vice president announced at
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the event that she would stop taxing income from tips,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: which is also a relatively new Trump proposal. She'll also
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: reportedly unveil a slew of economic proposals this week before
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the convention. And Harris has been staking out a position
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: on immigration that's focused on securing the border and offering
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship. She's been saying she'll
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: sign the bipartisan border control bill that Trump had killed.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: There has been an increasing amount of hand-wringing in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: press and from Republicans about Harris not having talked enough
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: about policy yet. Where do you guys come down on that?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, I was talking to someone today who
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: said in every focus group he's done, you hear people saying, like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know if she understands people like me, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: don't know what she's going to do for people like me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: So whether or not the press is saying she needs
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: to roll out a bunch of policy, I do think
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: voters want to hear it because there's this large information gap. Normally,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: you'd fill that with endless boring speeches that no one
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: ever listens to. They have this nice opportunity to kind
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of fill the space in, what, 100 days with shorter,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: pithier plans and policies.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Make it a topper.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Make it a topper.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Keep it tight. Yeah, keep it tight. Keep it tight.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Just for people who don't know, you get your stump speech.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You get the same stump speech at every single event.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And all you need to do is insert a couple
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of paragraphs in the speech.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Make it a meme.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: At the top, at the beginning.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We're not going back.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: This is my new policy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: We're not going back when it comes to healthcare. Bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And then you have the policy geeks write up a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: white paper. And then they put it in a press release.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: You do a conference call in the campaign. You're done.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You're done.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You're done. You're done. You're not writing a 4,000 word
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: speech that no one's going to fucking care about.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: No, please don't. If you're listening, please don't.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: But Blueprint, this polling firm, they did some testing. They
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: found 71% of voters said their minds are made up
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: about Trump and nothing could change them. 57% said that
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: about Harris, but 20% said their minds could be changed
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: or that they need more information. So I think she's
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: got an opportunity here. But like the least effective criticism
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: is that she needs to do more interviews. Trump's pushing
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: this really hard. Oh, she hasn't talked to a single reporter, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: The press corps is getting whipped up. And like on
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: some level, yeah, of course she should do interviews, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: not a single voter gives a shit.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's pushing on an open door because the reporters are
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: going to get it. They know they'll have the media
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: on their side.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I just think it's also going to keep building. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: what you don't want to do is actually you end
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: up having so much pressure on those first interviews. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: they draw unnecessary attention. And then the questions also have
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to become more ferocious because it's like a big moment.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Well, which is why she's been walking up to the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: press pool after events when she gets off the plane
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to take a few questions. And then on last week,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: late last week, we were talking about this on last episode.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: She said she would have her team schedule a sit
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: down by the end of the month. She's got the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: convention coming up. You know, you got to focus on that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: With walls, baby.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Can we just go back, though, to this idea that like, oh, she's,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you know, she hasn't been talking about policy. The campaign
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: is three weeks old.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: So there's two parts of this. First of all, the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: campaign is three weeks old. I do agree there's a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: lot of people like undecided voters be like, I need
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to hear more. I need to hear more. There's people
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: that always. say they need to hear more and they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: don't go looking, but fine. They're out there. They're Americans
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and we love every one of them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But, but, but what those people really want is like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: fucking Santa Claus to come to their door with a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: big bag of presents.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: For sure. So, but, but like, The idea that there
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is like people that aren't undecided voters who feel like
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they're not aware of the kind of administration Kamala Harris
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: would run as if a there wasn't a second term
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Biden agenda already being laid out and be a Democratic
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: platform that hasn't already been announced. Like there's a whole
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of policy.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And she was part of that campaign.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That's the that's the benefit of one of the many
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: benefits of having like Kamala Harris and not just a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: random Democratic nominee who is a governor of a state.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: who really would, even though it was just three weeks,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: people would be like, well, what do you stand for?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: What do you do? We know what your record was
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as governor, but what are you going to do as president?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: She signed on to all the Biden policy plans. She
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: can separate herself from some of them if she doesn't
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: like them.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Hopefully several of them. I'd love to see some separation.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But I do think it's like, that's why it's like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: this idea that there's some liability because she hasn't been
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: talking about policy, I think is ridiculous. It's actually all opportunity. Yes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's upside. It's all upside to find places of difference
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to go further where she wants to go further, make
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: news on something where she wants to talk about economic
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: populist policies. And on a lot of policies, abortion, democracy, climate, like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: there's just, we know, like. She's out there on that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: She's out there. Yeah. And Venn diagrams. She can make
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Venn diagrams.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Huge Venn diagrams. In those New York Times polls, the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: reason that she's leading Trump, the reason is her favorability
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: rating is, like, much higher than Biden's was, now higher
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: than Trump's. And Trump's in those polls still at that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: 46% favorable, which is very high for Trump. But she's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: even higher. A majority say that she's honest and intelligent.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: more than say that about Donald Trump on both those,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that she brings the right kind of change, which is huge.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It's closer on that, 50 and 47, has the temperament
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to be president and that she has a clear vision
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: for the country. Again, that one's sort of lower than
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the others, which is why I think the policy thing,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they'll be focusing on that in the coming weeks.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And a majority doesn't think she's too far to the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: left either. So far, only 44% of likely voters say
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: she's too liberal or progressive compared with 44% who say
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: she's not too far either way. and only 6% who
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: say she isn't progressive enough. You don't want to... Some
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Democrat said this to Playbook today. I don't know if
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: it was a Harris advisor or some Democratic advisor said, like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: we certainly don't need to be having a fight about
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: details on Medicare for All for the next 100 days.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I saw it. I clocked it. And I believe it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: was a senior congressional aide. And the reason I looked,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, stop.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Don't put that out there.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up. Throw some salt over your shoulder.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Spin around three times and go for it. Get out
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: of here. She also knew better on the economy than
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Biden was too.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And she's winning on existing in the context of all
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in which you live.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Huge advantage there. No, the economy thing is interesting because
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: people still, people have the same views about the economy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: They just trust her more than they did Biden because
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they don't hold her responsible for The bullshit they held
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Biden responsible for the last four years, which wasn't really
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Biden's fault.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And the bullshit might have been his age.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's where it all comes back to. But it's not
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that people aren't still upset about affordability and the cost
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of living. It's just that they are giving her a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: doubt that they did not give him. What do you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: guys make of her copying Trump's no tax on tips proposal?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: My feeling on it is like, great, do that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Take that off the table. In it to win it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Just fucking win it. Great. In it. Absolutely embrace it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of, I think, very... And let's be clear,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: not a great... We didn't think it was a great
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: policy when Trump did it. Still not a great policy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Not a bad policy, just not a... I think that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it is like, It is a way to get more
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: money into the hands of people that could use more money.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It has a lot of unintended side effects, and it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: not a great way to help people that need help.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: There's other things you could do and other policies you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: could put in place, higher minimum wage and so forth,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that would do more for more in a more fair way.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And the reason that I think when we talked about this,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: when Trump proposed it, that we criticized Trump is because
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: when you propose something like this and then you're against
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the minimum wage- And you're proposing a gigantic tax cut
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: for the rich and no tax cut or like a
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: very small tax cut for most other people.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Then in totality, your economic proposals are a fucking problem.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Well, one thing it does, right, is that like so
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you have if you have a state like California that
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: has a higher minimum wage in a state like South
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Carolina with a lower minimum wage and more of the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: income then comes from tips in those places, you're basically
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: rewarding states. and rewarding employers that pay less.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I want to just be clear that
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I come down on doing whatever gives her the maximum
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: political advantage in this moment, and I don't care about
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: anything else. But on the substance, I do think it
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: comes down to how you implement the idea. The concern
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: is that employers could push labor costs onto consumers by
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: reducing wages and then encouraging tipping. Ted Cruz, policy mind
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: of a generation, introduced a bill called the No Tax
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: on Tips Act, that did almost nothing for low-income workers,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: but created a massive loophole that could allow hedge fund
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: managers to shift their compensation to a tipping model and
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: thus avoid paying any taxes on it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: So that is the worst case. But obviously, Harris wouldn't
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: No, in fact, one of her campaign officials told NPR,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: as president, she'd work with Congress to craft a proposal
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that comes with an income limit and with strict requirements
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to prevent hedge fund managers and lawyers from structuring their
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: compensation in that way. So they're already saying that her
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: proposal is different than Trump's.
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And also like at the end of the day, like
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I imagine she tried to couple it with bringing back
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the child tax credit or expanding the EITC, like.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: A lot of other more targeted policies. I just like.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Just win Arizona. Again, I'm for it completely. Do whatever
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you want. I know it's like a fine policy. I
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: don't care. Do whatever you want. It's fine policy.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I just think that like as a society. Full nihilism.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: A society that like shifts more and more income into
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: tips is one in which like it puts the cost
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: onto customers over employers, and it shifts the burden from
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the ungenerous to the generous. Because over the course of
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a day, what's gonna determine the size of your chips
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: is how generous the people who walked in the door are.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Someone's pissed about that iPad spinning around when he's.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Buying a Diet Coke. And it's like, all right, well.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You didn't bring anything to my table. I'm standing here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck. No, I always press the fucking button. I know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: me too. I always press the fucking button. It's on
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: everything now.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I see you hovering over that 18%. What are you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: guys hoping to see from her in terms of other
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: economic proposals this week?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I'd like to ban some of that iPad flipping around.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: The most politically advantageous things possible. Tax cuts for working families. Affordability.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Affordability. Affordability. Anything that's going to reduce costs for people,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: that's going to help people. And I think she's going
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to do that. She's already signaling that. Affordability, middle class economics,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and just like a couple specific policies, either that Biden
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: has already endorsed and people don't really know of, or
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: maybe a few new things just to make news. But
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: she has two policy issues that she needs to care about. Immigration,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: which we're about to talk about, and affordability. And with
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: this much time left, I wouldn't think about anything else.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: She'll talk about abortion, right? But most of that's out there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: That's something that you talk about. It's not like there's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of new policy there because
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: everyone knows what the solution is. But beyond that, it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: affordability and immigration. That's what that's what voters consistently say
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that they care about more than anything else.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: The White House announced that they're putting out a bunch
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of kind of consumer protections. And I really like that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of like air travel, consumer protections, customer service,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: consumer protections, not.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Being cancel unwanted subscriptions.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which, you know, coming onto our territory. But also, like,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: let the private sector do its thing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Rocket money, the code is.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but stay in the Discord. But also, there was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: one about the doom loop of customer service and being
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: unable to get a real person. I just think those are, like,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like quietly just things that make people seethe and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like when.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Biden folks have done an amazing job on junk fees
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and like not enough people know about it that's one.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Where people getting refunds automatically as opposed to getting airline
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: credits or some convoluted other thing like that's a Biden
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: policy that people should know that Biden did if I.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: See an advisory for a major foreign policy speech oh
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: my god I'm gonna shut down the council on foreign.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Relations will you you know you can do that we're
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: gonna take.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Away Ben Rhodes's I was gonna say you better talk.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: To your co-host is he is he a member of
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the council no I assume I was a term member
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: for like six minutes. No, all I meant was I
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: paid fees and I didn't go to anything.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Richard Haas over here. Look at this fucking guy. Look
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: at this fucking guy.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Couldn't think of a second foreign policy guy. Richard Holbrook
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: over here. Evo Dallar.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: There's a big new over there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Z-Bag up. Thank you. Sorry. How do you guys feel
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: about her sounding pretty tough on border security? Oh my God.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: We talked about that. I think that's what she should do.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I think like, going out there and saying, I was
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a border state prosecutor. I'm for the executive order to
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: strengthen border security. I am for the bipartisan border bill.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: That is how we build a secure border on our
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: way to a more generous immigration system. I'm all for it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's what she should be saying.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Blueprint did some testing on this too. And also
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: talking about how, you know, I'm the daughter of immigrants.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: I think immigration is important, but I think people should
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: be rewarded who try to do it the right way,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: like my parents did. And we need a system that
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: rewards that. Also, I went after these gangs. I'll go
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: after smugglers. I'll go after human traffickers, you know, That
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: kind of message.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Here's one of her first ads focused on border security.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Here's how it ends. As president, she will hire thousands
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: more border agents and crack down on fentanyl and human trafficking.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Fixing the border is tough. So is Kamala Harris.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Love it. I've seen some commentators be like, wow, she's
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: combining now being tough on border security with providing a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Like, what a revelation.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, does no one remember the Obama era?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: This is what we, how many speeches do we write?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I just like, like we, like Democrats paid politically. And
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I think the policy paid for believing that the way
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: you demonstrate that you are pro immigration is by not,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: is by taking a less strong stand on border security.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And actually it had the, exact opposite effect you would want.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: You need to do these things to demonstrate that you're
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: serious about the border so that you have the credibility
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and space to do the most generous immigration reform that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you could possibly do, which is what I think our
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: collective goal should be. The goal is not to use
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the border as a gauge for how generous our country is.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Our goal should be to do what we can to
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: secure the border so we have the space to have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: an actual policy that makes sense.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we leave you, the Magosphere wants all of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: us to believe that Project 2025 isn't a thing anymore.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: The top guy stepped down, which the Trump campaign welcomed, mockingly.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Trump himself has been trying to disavow the whole project,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: which hasn't gone that well since there's pictures of him
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: on a private plane that the Washington Post dug up
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with the top guy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: The Heritage Foundation's founder, I believe.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, and they were on their way to a Heritage
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Foundation conference where Trump talked about how great what they're
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: doing is, and said that they are, quote, laying the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: groundwork and detailed plans for exactly what our movement will do.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Kevin Roberts is head of air. Project 2025 is also
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the gift that keeps on giving for reporters. The latest
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: is a series of training videos obtained by ProPublica and documented.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: We have two clips. Let's listen to the first.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Now, when I think of climate change, I immediately think
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: of population control, don't you?
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: I think you can expect that equity and all of
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: the equity executive orders under Biden will be repealed.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: That's what gender affirming care is, not care at all.
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: The noxious tenants of critical race theory and gender ideology
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: should be excised from curriculum in every single public school
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: in this country.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I always think of population control, but I think of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: climate change. My God.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: It's batty stuff. It's batty stuff. And it is just
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: sort of interesting just to see, like, these are training videos. There's,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I believe, 14 hours of them that ProPublica has also
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: put up. And I was like, I want to kind
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of get into it. I was like, not that much
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: into it. But these are just sort of, it is
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: ideologue to ideologue. It's videos that were made as if
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: nobody was watching. It's just for them. And, like, they're
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: unrestrained kind of. practical, pragmatic steps that they will take
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to undo every executive order on diversity, equity, inclusion, to
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: issue rules to restrict what schools can teach or what
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: happens when a child comes forward and says, hey, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: don't feel like a boy or whatever they come and
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: tell a teacher and what horrors await if the Trump
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: administration is in power. And then just their kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: genuine belief that climate change is a hoax to control
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the population perpetrated by liberals, by the childless cat ladies.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And it links to the J.D. Vance thing, right?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: J.D.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Vance is the public face of this kind of ideology.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that one before, that this conspiracy that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: liberals say that if you have kids, kids is bad for,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: having kids is bad for the climate. Like having, having
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: kids makes the, makes like, well, there's.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Definitely, there are like, I mean, it's a, you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: it's a, Yes, it is true. Rando's on the internet
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: have said, I'm not having kids because of climate change.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: There's that. I've heard that before. But this was basically
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: saying that kids contribute to climate change, to pollution.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there are, right, that it's unethical to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: have kids because your kids will contribute to climate change.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Do I think that this is a real thing that's
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: upheld by the libs?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: No, of course not. No, I'm just saying I hadn't
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: heard that one before.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: There are very dumb people on the extremes of both sides,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I think, of this issue. It's worth saying the- I mean,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: this is a 900-page plan. It's got a $ 22 million budget.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: So it's a very real thing, even if they're trying
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: to walk away from it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's policy. It's a 180-day playbook. It's personnel.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: And I guess the training component was these creepy videos.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: It's very radical stuff, you know, taking control, Trump taking
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: control of all federal agencies and putting in MAGA loyalists,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: mass deportations, banning Medicaid abortion, 800 pages more of stuff.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: That said, so very well-funded, very serious, very threatening content.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: set of ideas in this whole package. These videos are
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: some of the most unappealing and underwhelming people I've ever
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: had the misfortune of watching. It's the deputy chief of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: staff at USAID talking to the deputy press secretary at
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: DASA about like how to avoid the mainstream media.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was pretty bad.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Not helping them beat the weird allegations. That's for sure.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: We have another clip where they talk more about implementation.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 8: If the next Republican president does not execute a dramatic
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: course correction, there may never be another chance. So if
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: you're not on board with helping implement a dramatic course
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: correction because you're afraid it'll damage your future employment prospects,
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: it'll harm you socially, look, I get it. That's a
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: real danger. It's a real thing. But please, do us
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: all a favor and sit this one out. Do not
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: let career bureaucrats hinder you from advancing the president's agenda.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: Probably better off going down to the canteen, getting a
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: cup of coffee, talking it through and making the decision
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: as opposed to sending him an email and creating a
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: thread that Accountable.us or one of those other groups is
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: going to come back and see.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did he say the canteen?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the canteen. I found this to be some of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the most chilling stuff because they're not going to be
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: able to, if they win and they're going to be
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: rapidly staffing you know, hundreds of agencies with tens of
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: thousands of people. This is basically trying to weed out
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the simps, get the real diehards in there, and to
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: kind of reassure them that when they get into this
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: bureaucracy and they make a bunch of trouble, that the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Trump administration will have their back, including telling them, hey,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: if you want to do something that some government weasel
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: is telling you is illegal, don't write back that they
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: should do it anyway. Walk down the hall. Just do it. And,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you know, put your finger in their chest down at
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the canteen to get that done. And like even the opening,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the first that first moment of someone saying, if you're
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: not in favor, like he kind of uses a kind
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: of euphemism for the amount of of chaos they want
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: to unleash. So if you're going to if you're afraid
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: this is going to affect your social standing and your bill,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: your gut, your job prospects, that's a reasonable fear. Maybe
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: this job isn't for you like that. This is like
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: fascistic stuff, basically saying, like, you got to be part
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: of the vanguard to get in there and fuck with
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the government. And it may cost you dearly, but it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do. And if you're not in,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: we don't want you on the team. Like that's scary stuff.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: The biggest challenge for Democrats with Project 2025 is voters
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in a lot of these focus groups, like don't necessarily,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it's so, it sounds so crazy. They don't necessarily believe it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And then they don't necessarily believe that it will actually happen, right?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Because they see Trump as like, you know, Trump's crazy
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but they don't think this,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of this vibes with him, a lot of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: these ideas. And so the real challenge, I think, over
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the next however many, and I think this is a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: challenge for the Harris-Walls campaign as well, is to make
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it clear that if Trump wins and J.D. Vance is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in the White House too, like this shit will happen.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: This is a plug and play, you know, plan for
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the administration for the first 180 days. If Trump wins,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: there's no other thing that can happen. There's no great
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: transition plan. There's no policies they're pulling off the shelves.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: They don't have a platform. This is it. This is
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the Republican platform.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Apparently 29 of the 36 speakers in those videos have
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: worked for Trump in some capacity, either on his transition
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: team in the first term, in the administration, or now
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: on his re-election campaign.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. These are his staffers, his donors. These organizations are.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Heritage has been important in Washington since the Reagan administration.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: But it took a very Trumpy turn over the last
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: eight years. Very scary turn over the last eight years.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It's also like they're going to... They're going to staff
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the administration with, you know, thousands of people. And then
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: those people will run amok and they will go to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the end. Some of them will pull this off the shelves.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump, famous micromanager.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good. He doesn't care. He's going to care.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And these people and the worst ones will get in
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: there and do the most damage they possibly can.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: One bit of housekeeping before we go. Dan is out
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• 48:01
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• 48:03
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• 48:05
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• 48:07
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