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Alleged perv arrested in school girl Hania Aguilar kidnap-murder; Beautiful mom stabbed dead giving money to lady panhandler · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: um they were just turning the truck on right now
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  Speaker 1: to um, she was about to leave. It took the
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  Speaker 1: kids to go to school, and some black mail just
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  Speaker 1: came and stole the trunk. Left in the trunk with
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  Speaker 1: a child in the car. Also, what's the girls? You
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  Speaker 1: are hearing the nine one one call reporting that little
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  Speaker 1: Honya Aguilar was missing. An incredible and bizarre circumstances. The
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  Speaker 1: little girl goes right outside her home to get into
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  Speaker 1: the car to get driven to school, and in that
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  Speaker 1: short space of time, some perv is standing by dressed
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  Speaker 1: all in black like a ninja and a yellow bandana
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  Speaker 1: covering his head and her face and takes the little girl,
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  Speaker 1: takes her seven o'clock in the morning. How many times
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  Speaker 1: have I sent my twins out to go get in
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  Speaker 1: the car, Go get in the car. Copy right there.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened here and now Hanya is gone.
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  Speaker 1: In the last hours, her body has been identified in
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  Speaker 1: a body of water, and now breaking news in the
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  Speaker 1: search for Hanya Aglar, a perp has been arrested. I mean, see, Grace,
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin
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  Speaker 1: will Lensky, author of Beautiful Life, The CSI behind Casey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Trial. Robin Wilenski, just just start with the perp.
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  Speaker 1: Who is he, how is he found? And where was
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  Speaker 1: he arrested? Okay, well, his name, Nancy is Michael McClellan.
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  Speaker 1: He is thirty four years old, and he has an
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  Speaker 1: arrest record the length of which we're going to run
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  Speaker 1: out of paper and have to cut down all the
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  Speaker 1: trees because he in this case has been charged with
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  Speaker 1: ten felonies. That's right, ten felonies, concealment of death, first
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  Speaker 1: degree kidnapping, first degree murder, forcible rape, and so on
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  Speaker 1: and so on, And in an ironic twist, he was
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  Speaker 1: already in police custody. This incident happened on November fifth
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  Speaker 1: with the thirteen year old, but on November thirteen, he
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  Speaker 1: was locked up on another matter for a different arrest
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  Speaker 1: warrant from another case. I wonder what that other arrest warrant.
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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, take a listen to w ABCTV's Gloria Rodriguez
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  Speaker 1: breaking news happening now an arrest in the kidnapping and
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  Speaker 1: murder of thirteen year old Hanya Agular. She's the girl
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  Speaker 1: snatched from her home in Lumberton in early November. It
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  Speaker 1: was an all out search for her that sadly ended
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  Speaker 1: with her body being found in a body of water
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  Speaker 1: not far from where she disappeared. This is the man
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  Speaker 1: now charged. He is thirty four year old Michael Ray McClellan.
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  Speaker 1: The list of charges is long, including first degree murder, rape, kidnapping,
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  Speaker 1: and concealment of death. The FBI telling us when the
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  Speaker 1: body was found that they had persons of interest. However,
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  Speaker 1: McLellan has been in custody on other charges since mid November.
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  Speaker 1: McClelland was also the subject of internet rumors when Aguilar's
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  Speaker 1: body was discovered, but the FBI and authorities in Lumberton
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  Speaker 1: were adamant that they had no suspect and the cutity
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  Speaker 1: needed to remain on alert. The FBI tells us today
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  Speaker 1: that the case at the time, they say McClelland was
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  Speaker 1: arrested in the agular case late Friday nights and he
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  Speaker 1: had not confessed, and they continue to gather evidence. Police
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  Speaker 1: do believe McClellan forced Hanya into an SUV while she
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  Speaker 1: was warming up her family's car to go to school.
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  Speaker 1: Details on how Hanya was murdered have not been released.
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  Speaker 1: The news of the arrest comes on the same day
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  Speaker 1: that Hanya is being laid to rest in Lumberton at
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  Speaker 1: a funeral happening today at Lumberton High School. You're hearing
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  Speaker 1: our friend Gloria Rodriguez reporting back to Robin Willinsky, Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. You know, I'm very curious,
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  Speaker 1: Robin Wilinsky, what the other charge is that he was
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  Speaker 1: being held on. This goes down November five. He's arrested
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  Speaker 1: on another charge November thirteen, and I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Brian Russell. Doctor Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host
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  Speaker 1: of IDs hit series Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian Now, you
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  Speaker 1: may know the ins and out of the human mind,
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  Speaker 1: but I can tell you anecdotally there are a couple
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  Speaker 1: of type of offenders that can't stop what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Surprisingly one is peeping tom there. They just can't stop.
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  Speaker 1: Is something inside of them. That's where they get joy.
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  Speaker 1: Second sex offenses and third burglars. In this case sex offense.
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you this is not his first offense, Doctor Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Why I agree with you. The only thing that I
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  Speaker 1: would say differently is I would replace the word can't
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  Speaker 1: with the word won't. These people are not suffering from
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  Speaker 1: some kind of disability whereby they cannot control themselves. These
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  Speaker 1: people are entitled narcissists who will not control themselves and
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  Speaker 1: will satisfy whatever desires they have, regardless of who gets hurt.
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  Speaker 1: So people need to understand that we're talking about evil people,
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  Speaker 1: not ill people here, and I think you agree with that. Probably.
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  Speaker 1: What I would point out here is that we've got
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  Speaker 1: a guy who was convicted in two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 1: of assault with a deadly weapon, sat in prison for
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  Speaker 1: that until twenty sixteen, already had committed another crime felony
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  Speaker 1: breaking and entering in twenty seventeen, so he had been
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  Speaker 1: out about a year and he's already committing another felony.
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  Speaker 1: And so do we look at him and go, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who is not about to abide
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  Speaker 1: by the law and live in society peacefully. Under the
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  Speaker 1: rule of law. We got to put him away for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. No, we lock him up for about
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  Speaker 1: one year, and he's back out again to do this
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  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. That's our problem. We don't learn what
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  Speaker 1: people tell us. He told us what he was. He's
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  Speaker 1: somebody who had no intention of following the law, and
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  Speaker 1: we let him what We had him. We had him.
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  Speaker 1: This has happened so many times when you and I
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  Speaker 1: talk about these cases. We had him and we let
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  Speaker 1: him loose on Hannah Agiar and whoever else. He's hurt.
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  Speaker 1: It's and I guarantee you, doctor Brian, I guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: there are others to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear this family begging for help and the
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  Speaker 1: mom crying, it breaks my heart, especially knowing as doctor
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  Speaker 1: Brian Russell from Investigation Discovery Fatal Vows just said, we
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  Speaker 1: had him. But yet every time I hear like a
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  Speaker 1: symposium or so called experts on TV, they're talking about
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong with the prison system we keep people behind
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  Speaker 1: bars and how wrong it is. This guy should have
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  Speaker 1: been locked up, the key thrown away instead. Hanya's dead.
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  Speaker 1: It's irreversible. Irreversible. It will the pain will never go
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  Speaker 1: away for her family. Her life is cut short because
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  Speaker 1: of this gay and him getting out. Nancy, I could
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  Speaker 1: not agree more with doctor Brian Russell. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: put the words right in my mouth. I have a question, though, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: how far away did this creature live from where Hanya lived.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious about that, and I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a crime of opportunity? Was he following her?
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  Speaker 1: Did he know what the family's history was in the
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  Speaker 1: morning or the procedures in the morning. What is his
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  Speaker 1: backstory as it relates to that neighborhood. You know, what
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  Speaker 1: do we know about that? Robin Willinski Crime Online investigative reporter?
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  Speaker 1: What do we know? You know, I'm not sure where
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  Speaker 1: he was living, but it's pretty crystal clear that he
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  Speaker 1: was lurking and knew the habits because the crime that
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  Speaker 1: took place before this crime with the thirteen year old,
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  Speaker 1: the crime and Chober fifteenth, why he was being held
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  Speaker 1: is that he pointed a gun at another woman in
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  Speaker 1: that area and attempted to steal her car and money.
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  Speaker 1: So it's an escalation and he was lurking in that
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  Speaker 1: area where he was living I'm not exactly sure. There
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  Speaker 1: is a large amount of full private and public land
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  Speaker 1: that we have been searching since November five, and while
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement was making a search on Wiregrass Road, we
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  Speaker 1: came upon the area where we found the FBI now
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  Speaker 1: says a neighbor called nine one one once she saw
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  Speaker 1: Anya being forced into that trug by a man wearing
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  Speaker 1: a yellow bandana. The girl's mother not quite ready to
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  Speaker 1: talk to media today, but during a press conference, the
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  Speaker 1: FBI shared this message from her to her daughter and
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  Speaker 1: her kid never quote. I just want my daughter back
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  Speaker 1: with me. I'm here waiting for you. I love you
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  Speaker 1: and only care about you, and I don't have anything
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  Speaker 1: against whoever did this to you. I just want you back.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing WTVDTV Durham reporter Morgan Norwood reporting an
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  Speaker 1: FBI agent Andy Delarocha giving the message from Honya's mother.
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  Speaker 1: That message was not meant to be. I want you home.
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  Speaker 1: My arms are open. I miss you. Honeya's body was found.
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  Speaker 1: This little girl was kidnapped just outside the door of
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  Speaker 1: her own home as she got into the car to
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  Speaker 1: go to school seven o'clock in the morning. Two forensics
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  Speaker 1: expert Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet, death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about how they arrested this guy.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us in the last hours,
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  Speaker 1: a purp has been arrested. He's being held without bond,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll be making a first court appearance at any moment.
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  Speaker 1: McClellan name surfaced in online rumors as a suspect within
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  Speaker 1: just hours after Hanya's little body, battered and abused was found,
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  Speaker 1: but authorities did not confirm any connection until the last hours.
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  Speaker 1: You know, pictures of Hanya and colorful flowers surrounding the
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  Speaker 1: stage of her funeral service, purple balloons to honor her
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  Speaker 1: favorite color. Everywhere you look in that county are memories
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  Speaker 1: of Hanya, and it is so painful. The father was
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  Speaker 1: out of the country and could not even attend his
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  Speaker 1: daughter's funeral. To Joseph Scott Morkham, all I can do
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  Speaker 1: now is look for justice. How are we going to
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  Speaker 1: get at a true verdict? How tell me? Well? The
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  Speaker 1: police have spoken a mouthful of the prosecutor because they've
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  Speaker 1: charged this guy with first gree murder, which means that
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  Speaker 1: this is an act that is premeditated. They have an
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  Speaker 1: indication that he had planned, that he had schemed, and
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  Speaker 1: I suspect stalked her for some period of time and
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  Speaker 1: he went with purpose, Nancy, he stole this vehicle and
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  Speaker 1: then you took her along on this ride to her death.
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  Speaker 1: Another key here. One of the things he's been charged
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  Speaker 1: with is concealment of a death, and that means that
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  Speaker 1: he specifically took her body. And keep in mind, the
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  Speaker 1: body was three miles away from the abandoned vehicle that
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  Speaker 1: had been found earlier, and she was found in a
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  Speaker 1: small body of water. They're not calling it a pond,
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  Speaker 1: they're just calling a small body of water. And it
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  Speaker 1: was out of you a matter of fact, if you remember,
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  Speaker 1: the search had said we couldn't even find we you know,
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  Speaker 1: on first blush, we didn't even know there was a
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  Speaker 1: little body of water down there, and they found her floating.
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  Speaker 1: So does that give us an indication that he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to put her body in that water in order
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  Speaker 1: to try to destroy evidence. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you look at this guy and I think that what
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  Speaker 1: is going to come out is that he is a real,
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  Speaker 1: real monster. Monster is one way to put it. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, speaking of him being a monster,
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  Speaker 1: as to what kind of person as outwaiting at seven
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  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to abduct a little girl, rape
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  Speaker 1: sodom eyes, murder her, hide her body underwater, ripping her
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  Speaker 1: away from her family. It makes me just want to
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  Speaker 1: run to the twins right now. Whenever I hear a
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  Speaker 1: story like this, I want to go stare in their
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  Speaker 1: window at school, or go check and make sure they're
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  Speaker 1: in bed at night. But who's doing that? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was once talking to a strict vegetarian and they said,
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  Speaker 1: just think about it. When you're walking along and you
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  Speaker 1: see a fuzzy little rabbit pop by, is your first
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  Speaker 1: instinct to attack it and kill it and eat it,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to when you see an apple on the tree,
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  Speaker 1: you almost instinctively want to just go pick the apple
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  Speaker 1: and eat it. So anyway, I was thinking about that
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  Speaker 1: as it relates to this case. Hold it, wait for it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me make the connection. Who is it, Doctor Brian Russell?
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  Speaker 1: You're the shrink that when I see a little girl,
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  Speaker 1: I think, oh, look at her hair, look at the
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  Speaker 1: little brace, she's so cute, look at her a little outfit,
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  Speaker 1: or isn't she precious? Or look at all the books,
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  Speaker 1: or look at her soccer outfit or whatever, or she
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  Speaker 1: so this or that. I don't think. Oh, let me
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  Speaker 1: stuffer in the backseat murder her at seven o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning or anytime, Doctor Brian Russell, whether he had
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  Speaker 1: planned it or whether it was a spur of the
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  Speaker 1: mom at crime, a crime of opportunity, Still, who thinks that,
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  Speaker 1: As we so often have discussed over the years, if
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  Speaker 1: you understood it, then I would be concerned about you psychologically.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that nobody listening hopefully can understand it is
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  Speaker 1: a good sign because it is somebody who is totally
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  Speaker 1: totally sociopathic, totally narcissistic, totally entitled, feeling totally entitled to
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  Speaker 1: take what they want. And this is it. You got
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  Speaker 1: to think, this is this is not somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: interested in getting their you know, sexual needs met by
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  Speaker 1: going out and actually getting a job and being a presentable,
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  Speaker 1: respectable person and finding somebody who's voluntarily interested in dating them.
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  Speaker 1: Not Oh, that's way too hard. What's easy is to
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  Speaker 1: go after some kid and one thing I want to
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  Speaker 1: point out here is if you look at the charges,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like they have charged him both with fable
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  Speaker 1: rape and statutory rape. And what that indicates to me
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  Speaker 1: is that they anticipate that he is going to at
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  Speaker 1: least say in his defense that initially this thing started
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  Speaker 1: as some kind of voluntary thing, which there is no
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  Speaker 1: such thing when the person is as young as Hannett,
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  Speaker 1: but that's going to be the exact initially, and that
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  Speaker 1: everything just got out of control. Kathleen Murphy, that doctor
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  Speaker 1: Brian Russell is exactly correct. That's why fatal VOWS is
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  Speaker 1: such a hit. Kathleen. Yeah, they're gonna claim since a
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  Speaker 1: DNA according to Joseph Scott Morgan, and I think Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott is correct, says DNA is going to nail him.
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  Speaker 1: DNA on and in the child's body, probably sperm, of course,
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  Speaker 1: maybe touch DNA, but it's been submerged in water, so
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  Speaker 1: probably sperm. Back up, it was consensual, right, Kathleen Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer. Like at seven ams, she goes, Okay, Mama,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get in the carry up. Hurry up,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get to school. She goes out to the car,
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  Speaker 1: and then she says, Oh, I'm gonna go on a
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  Speaker 1: consensual date with this much older guy who's just wandering
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  Speaker 1: through my neighborhood. Right, let me be on that jury, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Let me be on that jury. And I'm so thoroughly disgusted. Welloa,
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  Speaker 1: Jackie just reminded me he's thirty four years old. Kathleen Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: Please let me be on that jury, Nancy. This is
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  Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. Please let me be on that jury.
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  Speaker 1: Mind me be on that jury. I am outraged that
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  Speaker 1: he was out of prison. I am outraged that this
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  Speaker 1: child I have a twelve And why do we keep
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  Speaker 1: doing it? Yeah? Robert will Lensky crime online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life, cside behind Casey Anthony trial.
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  Speaker 1: Robin does anybody I'm not tired of it. I'll keep
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  Speaker 1: screaming it from the mountaintop, said, do we ever notice
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  Speaker 1: we keep saying why was he out of jail? Everybody
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  Speaker 1: moans it and cries and whys about it, But apparently
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  Speaker 1: nobody in our government's listening because it keeps happening. Right,
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  Speaker 1: because there's all this boo hoo hoo, and all this
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  Speaker 1: sympathy and he's going to be rehabilitated, which he's never
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  Speaker 1: going to be rehabilitated because the guy, simply put, has
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  Speaker 1: no moral compass. He has no moral compass, and so
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  Speaker 1: you cannot rehabilitate him because every time he gets Robin
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  Speaker 1: will Lensky, You're you're so prim and proper, you say
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  Speaker 1: he has no moral compass. You know what I say.
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  Speaker 1: He's the devil, the devil. He is evil, pure evil.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they have a death penalty in that jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: and I certainly hope that the prosecutor is going to
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  Speaker 1: put that out there and seek the death penalty. I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of you disagree with me. That's okay,
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  Speaker 1: Let a jury decide, but this is heinous. As a
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  Speaker 1: child is waiting to go to school in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: Mom and Auntie right inside the home. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: thought on my fiancee was murdered. I knew all about grief,
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  Speaker 1: but now that I have my children, there is could
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  Speaker 1: be nothing like the pain of losing a child. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: our prayers aren't with Hania Aguilar's family. Hi, Nancy Grace here,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever googled yourself? Your neighbors somebody at work
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  Speaker 1: a crush. Fifty seven percent of Americans admit to keeping
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: an eye on their own online reputation. Forty six admit
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  Speaker 1: to using the Internet to look up somebody from their past.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, please say. Fifty two year old Jaqueline Smith
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was stabbed to death after rolling down her car window
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to give a woman money. This was a good Samaritan.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: She saw an individual that was holding a sign who
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: appeared to be down on her laws. Pola Say. It
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: was just after midnight Sunday. Smith was with two religios.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: The family had attended a gathering in the area. They
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: stopped their car after noticing a woman holding what appeared
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to be a baby, as well as a sign that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: read please help me feed my baby, please say. Smith
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: gave the woman money. Then a man appeared, first thanking Smith,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: then lunging for her wallet. That's when the suspect approached
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and fatally stabbed her. You are hearing the very latest
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: on a good Samaritan stabbed dead. I mean, Sey Grace.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Straight out to John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: reporter John, it's almost too much for me to take
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in what happened. Well, this was the end of what
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: had otherwise been just a perfect evening with family. Both
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Keith and Jacqueline Smith had been dancing and having a
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: really great time with their family at an American Legion
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: hall on Madison Street in Baltimore. They had been celebrating
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with their daughter, chavon her twenty eighth birthday. The couple
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were on their way home from the gathering as we
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: heard around twelve thirty in the morning when they see
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a woman holding what appeared to be a baby, an
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: infant and a cardboard sign that read please help me
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: feed my baby. Keith says he's never big on slowing
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: down or getting out of the car in certain neighborhoods,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: but his wife is a different story. She has had
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the most generous spirit and she rolled down her passenger
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: side window to give some money to the woman. This
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is when a man comes out of nowhere, comes up
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to the car, pretending to thank her for the generosity,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and just a moment later, he's trying to steal her wallet,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: her pocketbook and necklace, and that's when he stabs Jacqueline
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: in the chest. Oh my stars, I just I'm so overwhelmed.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Her husband, Kevin, rushes her to the hospital, but even
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: though she got there so quickly, she did not live.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: At this hour. Police are still looking for the two responsible.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: To Josh Scott Morgan joining me as well as doctor
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: as she Wilcott with me as well, judge lawyer. You
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: can find her at asked Wilcott dot com. To doctor
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, doctor Russell, what a ruse. I can remember
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, there was a hangout I would stop
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: at a lot of times after being on the street
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: or being in court for long hours that a lot
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of prosecutors and cops would go to and out in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the parking lot, there was a lady with a little
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: bitty child that couldn't have been over two years old,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and she asked me for money. Well, I had practically
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: nothing as a prosecutor. I had to work in two
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: night jobs as it was. But I took the cash
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that I had. I gave it all to her. The
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: next night, she says she needed a ticket to get home,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a bus ticket to get home. I'm like, sure, I'll
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: give you everything I got, all right. The next night,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the woman comes up to me and gives me the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: same story with the baby and says she needs a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: bus ticket aget home. I said, lady, you took all
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: my money last night, and you are nowhere near the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Greyhound bus, so let me let me give you a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: look at this. And I held out my badge or
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: so I'm calling de facts right now. And I did.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I certainly did, dragging that little baby around scamming money
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: out in a parking lot at night. I mean I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: was working late. It had to be eight thirty nine o'clock.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: It was pitched dark. Using a baby to scam to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: start with, much less killing your victim. But let's just
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: start with using the baby. Doctor, Brian Russell, you're the shrink. Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I think for most people listening, there's something particularly evil,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: particularly sociopathic, about this kind of a ruse for multiple reason,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: not only because it involves the use of a child,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: but it involves playing upon you the best of somebody
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: else's human nature. And not only that, the fact that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we're talking about this now and it's news. While it
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is protective and helpful for people to see that there
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: are better ways to go about charity than rolling down
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: your window and handing money to people on the street,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: but it also does inhibit people from being generous because
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: some people will hear this and go, yeah, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: these people are criminals, and they're not really needy, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: some of them are so for all of these reasons,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it's just a particularly heinous act. You know, the other
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: night I went in why was I at? I still
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: call it kerts, but I think it's a right aid.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Why was I there? What was I get? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, prescriptions from my mom. So I go in
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and there's a guy sitting on the sidewalk outside and said, hey, hey, hey,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: can you buy me some trail mix? I'm like sure,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And I had this on my mind, so I get
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: him a bunch of packs of trail mix. When I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: came out, I basically just threw it at him and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: he looked at me like what. I'm like, I'm sorry, man,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I am not getting close to you. I'm gonna give
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you what. I'm not gonna get closed yet because I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: had this lady on my mind. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the roots that was used and the mortal wounds that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: were sustained after way in, Yeah, did you see how
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: quickly she died? They transported or from the scene to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the hospital little And the reason this happened is that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: she was stabbed in the Torso this is a very
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: up personal, I mean up close, very personal event. There's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: more than likely he nicked a major vessel or maybe
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: even directly into the heart. She had no chance of living,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and that's because she let her defenses down. I'll tell
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you what I preached my wife all the time about
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: this because I've seen I'm so callous, I've seen so
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: many things on the street. And she's got a big, open,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: warm heart. She wants to give everybody and their brother change.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And I tell her this is dangerous to do. I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of the mind that you seek somebody out that needs
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: help as opposed to allowing somebody to seek you out.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And you can just be suckered in by this, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: unfortunately that's what happened to this poor woman. Well, I mean,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: not helping those in need goes against everything that I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: believe in, and so it's very hard for me. Well
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I which is rare that I have any money on me,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: but when I do have money on me, not to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: try and help somebody. Take a listen to this, police say.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: The man and woman ran from the scene. Smith died
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a short time later at a nearby hospital. Tonight, investigators
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: warning other drivers and asking for help solving the case.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe you heard something, maybe you saw something, whether it
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was in the front of or house, the rarreor house
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know. Chase Street is a busy thoroughfare even around
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: twelve to twelve thirty in the evening. Police describe the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: suspect as a man about thirty years old, standing approximately
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: six feet tall with a goatee. Anyone with any information
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: on this case is asked to call police. The last
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: night of Jacqueline Smith's life, she and her husband danced
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: at their wedding song at a party. She was just
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: everything to me, my everything. We call each other soul meets.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Hours later, the fifty two year old was murdered on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this East Baltimore block near Latroball snatched that necklace before
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I knew it in a girl Paki book in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: seat in the both rain. I jumped out the car
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to run, and I heard my wife's scream, is my
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: ka back to car? Oh my stars? That husband what
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he is going through? You were hearing our friends at
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: w BFTV Alexa Ashwell and Devin Barlotta reporting on this
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: John Linley Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, What do
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you know about the roost they use that they had
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a baby with them, Well, Nancy, Jacqueline was the type
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of person that even if there hadn't have been an
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: infant or what appeared to be an infant in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: woman's arms, she would have been more than glad to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: help this woman anyway, but add the factor of what
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: appeared to be an infant in her arms, and that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: just broke Jacqueline's heart. She had to help this woman.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Keith says, though, that once the couple started moving around,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he is pretty sure that that was simply a doll
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: or something, that it was not a real baby that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was used to lure them in, and Nancy listened to this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: We've heard that the pair ran away as soon as
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the stabbing occurred, but Keith says that the woman actually turned.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: She paused for a moment long enough to say something.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: The woman, the one that had preyed on Jacqueline's generous spirit,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: actually said God bless you after the man stabbed Jacqueline
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: as she Walcott. I mean, I don't even know what
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to how to respond to this woman trying to help
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: someone and being stabbed dead. I am heartbroken for her husband,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: for her family, first and foremost. I am in no
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: way blaming the victim when I say what I'm about
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to say, but I agree with Joe Scott Morgan, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that is you need to pick the people you're going
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to help, and if you want to help someone who's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: on the street, a lot aren't going to hurt you,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: are not They actually need help, but do it safely
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: in daylight hours when there are lots of people around,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: when everyone can see you. And the other thing I'm
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: gonna say, and again, no blaming the victim. This is unacceptable,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: horrific killing someone who is a good samaritan. But if
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: anyone tries to take your purse, your necklace while you're
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: sitting in a car, give it to him. Do whatever
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you have to do. That's stuff, it doesn't matter, pass
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it over, doesn't excuse this horrific murder. You know. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just I think in that moment, Jacqueline, the victim, Jacqueline Smith,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: didn't think of any of that. She was just trying
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to help. I want you to hear our friends at
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: w jay Z TV, it's Devin Borolott to listen. Interim
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Gary Tubble says this kron was likely premeditated
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and the pair was working together. We also want to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: caution the public about the game with panhandlers. Smith, while
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: hoping for their arrest, is now left grieving the loss
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of his beloved wife. For anybody that's in Baltimore, be
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: careful when we see these panhandlers out and getting close
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: proximity to your car. The last thing I thought that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they would want to take my wife's life. So now
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta live with that. I gotta live with that.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Every death we're going to leave no start in turn.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: With respect to this case, Interim Police Commissioner Gary Tubble says,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this kron was likely premeditated and the pair was working together.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: They're using this ruse as panhandlers to get the attention
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of there would be victim, and we also want to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: caution the public about and gaining with panhandlers. Police are
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: looking for a black woman in her twenties, medium building,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: about five feet tall, a possible drug user, wearing a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: long brown coat and may have a baby. And they're
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: looking for a black mail in his thirties I foot ten,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: average build, with a goatee and wearing a black hoodie. Smith,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: while hoping for their arrest, is now left grieving the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: loss of his beloved wife. For anybody that's in Baltimore,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: be careful when we see these panhandlers out and getting
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: close proximity to your car, because like me, I'm from Baltimore.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: The last thing I thought that they would want to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: take my wife's life. So now I got to live
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: with that. I got to live with that every day.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You're hearing the husband of the so called Good Samaritan,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Jacqueline Smith dead after being stabbed in the chest. Her husband, Kevin,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was driving her home from dinner with your daughter. Jacqueline
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: asked him to stop when she saw a lady panhandler
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: holding a baby in her arms. They rolled she Smith.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Jacqueline rolled down her window to give money to the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: woman begging for help, and then suddenly, out of nowhere,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a man appears from the side and stabs Jacqueline over
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and over in the chest. Kevin raced Jaqueline to the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: hospital immediately, but she died from her injuries. Police now
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: looking for the pair of panhandlers responsible. Joining me. John
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Limley Crime online dot com investigative reporter Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer and hosts of discoveries hit series
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Fatal Vows. John Limley Crime online dot com. What where
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: can you tell me? Well, one thing I can tell
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you is that, of course every murder is tragic and senseless,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: but this was one amazing woman who lost her life
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that night. We can go back to her high school
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: years when Jacqueline Smith was first interested in science and math,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: but she was told at classical high school that she
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't be an engineer. Her mom, Anna tris Vane, has
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: told us some wonderful stories of Anna says she didn't listen,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that she was determined. You could even tell her. You
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: could even see it in her walk, that determination in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: her walk, and true to that determination, Smith did become
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: an engineer. After she graduated from Classical High School. She
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: earned a degree in electrical engineering. Then she worked for
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Naval Underwater Systems Center. This is a forerunner of
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Newport, and after a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: couple of years there, she landed a job at the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Aberdeen Proving Ground, that army research facility in Hartford County, Maryland,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: about twenty five miles northeast of Baltimore. That's where she
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: was working at the time of her murder. Perhaps snatches
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Jacqueline's necklace and grabbed her pocketbook. The two fled, leaving
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: her bleeding in the passenger seat there next to her husband.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Now Keith and his wife had been out with her daughter,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: chavan to celebrate her birthday, and Chavanne was also in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the car when her mother was attacked. To doctor Brian Russell,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: so you've got the husband witnessing his wife's murder and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: her daughter seeing her mom getting stabbed in the front seat.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's unimaginable what that must be like for that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: family to go through this. This reminds me Nancy. Have
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: a time in the year two thousand, I was in Peru.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I was in Lima, Peru, and I was going up
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: from Lima to a town up in the mountains and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the Andes. And on the way up there, I noticed
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that we were kind of going off the road a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: little bit. We were going around something and there was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a body in the street and I was saying, oh
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: my god, there's a body in the street. We have
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to stop and help this person. And we actually had
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a military police escort in front of and behind the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: vehicle that I was in, and they they did not stop.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: They went right around that body and they went right
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: on past. And when we got to our destination, I said,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you know, should we call somebody, should we do something?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And they said, no, the bandits do that. It might
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: have been a real body, or it might have been
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: somebody playing dead, but they do that to get people
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to stop, and then they ambush them. And why do
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: they do that Because it works. People who don't know
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that's a tactic will get out to try to help,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and then they'll end up being taken hostage or robbed
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and killed or whatever. And so of course we're always
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: telling people this program to please, if you have any information,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: if you've seen anything that might help, call the police
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and let them know. In this case, I just want
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to double down on that, because this cannot work. These
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: people cannot get away with this, because we cannot start
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: becoming like that, like that lawless place where I was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: in the year two thousand, where this stuff happens, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it happens increasingly when it works. We can't let this work.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know what you're right, Brian, four one zero three nine.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's the tip line four one zero three nine six
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: twenty one hundred police desperately working right now to solve
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: this crime. Listen to our friends at wmaartv Naughtia sin Smith,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: who was in the front seat, rolled down the window
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to give the woman money and when she did, an
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: unknown man reached and signed to grabber Walllett and police
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: say there was a struggle. Investigators tell WMAAR he took
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: out a knife and stabbed Smith in the torso before
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: running away with the woman holding the sign. Makes you
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: find twice about helping anyone looked twice. Colaborer work gold
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in the morning and my guard's up. Police echo that advice,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: saying crimes like these can happen anytime. You always be
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: aware of your surroundings, and it doesn't matter if it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day or the middle of the night,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: if you're driving, if you're walking, if you see something
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: or someone that's suspicious, call nine one one. Our officers
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: work twenty four hours a day. The driver of the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: car Smith was in when she was stabbed over to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the hospital and called police. She died at the hospital.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Tip line four one zero three nine six twenty one hundred.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: The irony is had been a perfect night. Listen to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: w jay Z TV's Devin Barolotta danced a little bit man,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful night. Outrage over Smith's brazen
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and brutal murder has gathered national attention, Oprah tweeting, I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: hope her death gets people woke to change. Along with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: outrage nationwide comes some questions about the story, police insisting
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they're following all leads we can get. The information we
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  Speaker 1: have is the information that we have until we can
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  Speaker 1: disprove that that nessa we're going to go with, but
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  Speaker 1: we're going to leave notes stone in turn with respect
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  Speaker 1: to this case, Polisa looking for a black woman in
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  Speaker 1: her twenties with a medium build and about five feet tall,
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  Speaker 1: lasting wearing a long brown coat, and possibly carrying a baby.
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  Speaker 1: The other suspect is a black man in his thirties,
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  Speaker 1: about five feet ten inches tall with an average build
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  Speaker 1: at a goatee, lasting in a black hoodie. Police asking
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  Speaker 1: residence citywide to be aware and on the lookout. Please
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  Speaker 1: help us solve this horrible murder of a good Samaritan.
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  Speaker 1: Four one zero three nine six twenty one hundred Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,