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#1 - Emily Hannah - Initiations into Remembrance · Walking with Jaguars

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  Welcome everyone to the Walking with Jaguars
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  podcast. I am your host Matt Blanco and today
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  is a very special episode. It's episode one and
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  we are talking to probably my favorite person
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  in this world, Emily. She is a permaculturalist.
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  She is a women's circle facilitator. She's a
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  mineralization and holistic health specialist.
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  She's an ayahuasca dietero, medicine woman, and
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  my fiancée, soon -to -be wife. So thank you for
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  joining me. You have so much medicine, and you've
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  taught me so much, and I see the way that you
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  impact everyone around you too. Like even just
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  as an example, you know, at the start of this
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  year, my sister came and lived with us for two
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  months. And the way that you impacted her life
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  honestly was profound. So welcome. If there was
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  anything I missed, feel free to jump in. How
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  would you describe Emily? Big first question,
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  but I think you did a pretty good job. I mean.
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  You got all of my titles and I kind of like hearing
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  them spoken back to myself because I forget how
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  many titles I have under my belt. But yeah, happy
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  to be here. Where else would I be? Happy to support
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  you on your mission and getting your voice out
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  to the world. And I, yeah, I'm excited to dive
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  in with you and share some of our medicine to
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  the world. I feel like if I were to just sum
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  myself up, I mean, we'll try, but my medicine
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  really comes back to the wisdom of the earth,
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  the wisdom of our Pachamama, the wisdom in our
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  body, really grounding medicine. Everything I
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  do from permaculture to remineralization to cycle
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  awareness, it's all coming back to the wisdom
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  of Pachamama. You know, dieting. It's like learning
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  from the plants. And so I really just try and
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  be a conduit and a voice for that wisdom and
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  let it move through me in everything that I do.
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  You know, the mother, the feminine, the protector,
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  the provider. Oh, wow. Nice. Okay. So we have
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  lots to talk about for sure. I think in this
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  podcast, we'll just take out a little slice of
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  your medicine. And I really want to dive into
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  like spiritual initiation, ceremony, and how
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  those things have led you to understanding the
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  feminine body in new ways. But before we get
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  into the nitty gritty, do you want to... Do you
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  want to just lay out a bit of a path that like
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  of your path that you've walked over the last
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  five or six years? Like we've done almost all
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  of it together in some fashion, but obviously
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  very different individuals on individual journeys,
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  although we're, you know, rolling side by side.
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  So do you just want to share some of the big
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  initiations along the way? That'd be great. Big
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  initiations, but not too much detail. Just give
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  me a nice overview, you know. I mean, I feel
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  like the catalyst was really leaping into the
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  unknown of being a solo backpacker in South America
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  for eight months. Like that really. catapulted
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  my journey into another layer and at the end
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  of it I met you and just that calling to go to
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  South America to go to a country that I've never
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  been to I didn't really know anything about didn't
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  have any plan didn't have anyone to go with didn't
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  really have a lot of money but a really strong
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  calling and a lot of trust And so just learning
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  how to trust myself, learning how to wake up
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  every day and just ask the question of, Emily,
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  what do you want to do today? Who do you want
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  to be today? You have no one to please. You have
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  nothing to prove. What do you want? What is your
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  sole desire? So much of the time, especially
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  as the feminine, we're... really, really aware
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  of everyone else's needs around us. Now we're
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  really attuned. We want to be in service. We
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  want to make sure everyone else around us is
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  happy and comfortable and satisfied and to just
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  wake up every day and just make sure that you're
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  taken care of. was really impactful and that
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  you know my safety was taken care of my need
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  for adventure was taken care of my relationships
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  were taken care of all of those kinds of things
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  and it was such a big learning experience for
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  me to be out by myself for eight months doing
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  that yeah I even mentioned that like in the the
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  little like episode zero story that I said and
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  just like when you take that leap into solo backpacking
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  like never in your life have you had basically
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  total free will you know like you have choices
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  here and there but it's always like oh but like
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  parents this and our friends this and i'll curry
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  this and you know but like when you're solo backpacking
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  it's literally just like every day is yours for
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  the taking yeah yeah exactly and I feel like
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  people get little glimpses of that when they're
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  on vacation but there's also like when you go
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  on a two -week vacation it's like you're trying
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  to cram everything into one and when you're backpacking
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  you can't do that so you really have to find
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  a rhythm with it right and you have to find a
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  pace that you move at the pace of life that suits
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  you and you know your desires and your needs
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  and your fulfillments and it's really i mean
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  it's confronting and liberating and really illuminating
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  i mean one of the things that i just thought
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  was like mystical about you when i first met
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  you was that you just like conquered south america
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  by yourself Yeah. And, you know, I think that
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  it was obviously divinely orchestrated in this
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  way, but I wasn't planning on going by myself.
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  I hadn't planned the trip to be by myself. I
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  had planned to go with my cousin and we had agreed
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  to do four months, four countries. And I had
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  four grand in my bank account. And I was like,
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  perfect. A month in each country, a thousand
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  dollars each month, the two of us. And there
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  was two countries that she wanted to go to and
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  two countries that I wanted to go to. So this
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  is how we laid it out. And then the week before,
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  she just texted me. Hey, I can't come. I'm sorry.
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  And I had already quit my job, and I had already
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  bought my ticket, and there was nothing that
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  was going to stop me. Although when I told my
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  dad that I was going alone, he was like, I'll
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  pay for your flight to go to Europe instead.
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  There was all this fear around being a 22 -year
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  -old young, good -looking woman in South America.
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  There was a lot of fear. I almost thought myself,
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  but the calling again was just so strong that
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  I had to see it through. And honestly, like her
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  bailing, I was pretty angry, to be honest, when
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  she bailed on me last minute. But in hindsight,
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  it's the greatest thing that she's ever done
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  for me. And probably the greatest thing that...
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  ever happened to me because that impact of traveling
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  by yourself i mean you know what it's like i
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  mean you traveled with a friend and then you
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  guys split up and the impact of traveling alone
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  versus traveling with somebody is completely
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  different it's a totally different territory
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  right sure for sure and arguably way better depends
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  on the friend but just you know but i mean in
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  terms i love free will In terms of just like
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  self -inquiry and exploration, I feel like traveling
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  alone really takes it to the next level. And
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  it's the recommendation that I would give to
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  any woman in her 20s is to travel alone at some
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  point in her 20s. To see what you're capable
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  of. Just, yeah. I mean, I feel like so many people
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  are waiting for other people to travel, right?
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  Because they don't feel secure enough in themselves
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  to go and do this. Or they don't feel like it'll
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  be enough fun. Or it'll be, you know, there's
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  all these reasons why we restrict ourselves.
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  And it's honestly one of the greatest things
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  you can ever experience. I'm so happy that we've
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  already got that under our belt. Oh, yeah. Plenty.
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  I wouldn't be who I am today without it. And
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  I know you wouldn't be who you are today. And
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  I definitely wouldn't know you. Well, exactly.
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  I feel like at the end of my eight months traveling
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  alone, the universe was like, and here's your
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  life partner. Here's your gift for doing something
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  courageous and something for yourself. And yeah,
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  just. I think that the universe gifts that kind
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  of behavior. Yeah. Well, I mean, I got you as
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  my gift, but mine was just three days in. So,
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  you know, I thought I was going to be a single
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  man out on the prowl for a year, but actually
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  the universe was like, no, you actually need
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  to like rein it in a little bit and like fall
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  in love with someone who's like amazing. Because
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  I probably would have gone off for no good, you
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  know, so. Yeah, this is true. Okay, so moving
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  on from South America, what was the next big
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  one? Initiation number one. next initiation feels
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  like ayahuasca oh i mean we did have six months
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  at chuckleberry i don't know if you want to go
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  into that but that doesn't feel that was a lot
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  of self -inquiry and a lot of work that we did
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  on our relationship but it didn't feel like a
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  kind of big bang moment if you know what i mean
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  it was kind of like a stepping stone It was a
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  stepping and it was an important stepping stone.
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  And I think that it will, you know, the communication
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  skills that we learned and the couples therapy
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  that we went to at the very beginning of our
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  relationship, like really created a solid foundation
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  for us to be able to thrive. But it didn't quite
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  feel like an initiation. Do you agree? Yeah,
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  I agree. I agree. I mean, great tools. And like,
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  this is the thing is like we did. We did couples
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  therapy like really early on in our relationship.
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  And it wasn't that like anything was wrong. We
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  were just living with this man, John Scott, who
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  was incredible and offered it as a service. And
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  it laid an amazing foundation for us. And I wouldn't
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  necessarily recommend people go out and do couples
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  therapy because like, I don't know what other
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  people are like. Like John Scott is a special
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  person, you know? But there's just, oh, there's
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  just like so many things in relation that you
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  need to learn how to navigate. And such a big
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  piece of it is like, we all walk around with
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  so many triggers and so much trauma, especially
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  around the opposite sex. And that's like, it
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  can be tied to so many things, you know? And
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  often in relationships, it gets triggered by
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  the other person being the mirror, but it actually
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  has nothing to do with the other person. as an
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  individual and that is like such a profound thing
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  to understand in relation that you don't like
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  someone gets triggered and the other person becomes
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  the victim and then you're both just being a
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  victim and it's like it actually has nothing
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  to do with either of you with is individuals
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  to some degree yeah like it is your responsibility
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  but I will say if we didn't spend that six months
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  with John Scott and doing couples therapy and
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  learning how to communicate with each other,
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  like, I don't know if we would still be as strong
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  as we are today. Oh, for sure. I do think that
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  like there were some really big hurdles that
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  we overcame there and just learning how to communicate
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  with each other, learning how to share our stories
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  with each other, because so often we're in our
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  own heads and we have our own stories running
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  when we're communicating with others. And so
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  to just lay it out on the table, it was like
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  we had such a deep understanding of each other
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  and our life experience before we even started
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  triggering each other. Right? Before shit hit
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  the fan. We had the tools to be able to work
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  through whatever came up. For sure. And plenty
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  did come up, you know? Like, we're both kind
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  of not very easily put in boxes and rather radical,
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  so the random events that we run into are strange
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  ones, you know? Okay, so back to Ayahuasca. Okay,
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  so tell me. Yeah, I mean, John Scott, I feel
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  like Chuckleberry and John Scott led perfectly
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  into ayahuasca and just opened up a whole new
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  layer and interconnectedness and, you know, having
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  that experience of living for a year, you know,
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  dedicated to the medicine in service to the medicine
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  and in service to our own exploration and awakening
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  was just the greatest gift that we could have
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  been given. And I feel like Ayahuasca, although
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  she teaches us in the spirit realm, she teaches
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  us how to be human, right? She really teaches
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  us how to be here and be present and hold all
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  of this experience, this human experience. Absolutely.
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  And like one of the things our teacher says to
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  us is she knows us better than we know ourselves.
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  And it's such a funny thing to interact with
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  a conscious entity that is like that. You know,
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  like there is no hiding the shadows. She will
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  just grab that thing and pull it right to the
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  surface. And at first there's so much resistance,
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  you know. It's like, oh, this is hard, this is
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  heavy. And then slowly but surely you begin to
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  realize that's the gift. The opportunity to release
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  these things is the medicine. To be present with
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  them, to sit with them. And then it can be so
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  difficult in ceremony, but it also teaches you
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  how to be better at life when life is challenging.
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  Exactly. I have a friend. He's an amazing artist.
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  He's in the Bitcoin space. And he came and drank
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  medicine with us. And he had a pretty rough ceremony.
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  And I remember I reconnected with him a few months
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  later. And I was like, how is like all the integration
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  going? And he's like, honestly, man, things are
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  fantastic right now. Like all the depression
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  and anxiety and everything I felt is gone. I
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  feel super good. And I think part of it is just
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  like, IOSCA was so hard that everything else
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  in life is easy. oh oh yeah yeah she takes you
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  to the deepest darkest hardest places and then
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  brings you back up and shows you how well you're
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  able to navigate it or how well you're not able
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  to navigate it but gives you also tools to be
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  able to navigate it now and we go i feel like
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  we go to her to learn Right. To learn how to
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  navigate this world and how to navigate our emotions
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  and how to navigate everything we've been handed.
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  And yeah, turn it into art. Walk a life in beauty.
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  Okay. So you drink an ayahuasca, big consciousness
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  expansion is now taking place. So. it's like
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  everything is led up to this and the the pandora's
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  box of spirit has been opened there's two things
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  that i want to get into and i know one precursors
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  the other but i want to jump into the second
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  one first just while we're here of um how the
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  process of dieta is different than ayahuasca
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  and how the process of dieta has shaped you okay
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  so when you sit with ayahuasca uh you're interacting
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  with her and she's a beautiful divine really
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  strong powerful spirit that has her own consciousness
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  and has her own agenda and has her own Work that
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  she's doing for the collective, for the ceremony
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  space, and on you. Incredibly powerful. But the
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  lineage that we work with, the Shipibo, how they
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  learn the worlds of ayahuasca and of herbalism
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  and of shamanism is vegetalismo. which is where
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  they work with individual plants, with master
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  plants. And they dedicate themselves for a certain
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  period of time to these plants to learn from
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  them, to take on their gifts, to take on their
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  energy, to take on their essence, and to be able
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  to use the plant's medicine for their own healing.
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  At least in our case, when we have done diets,
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  it's all been healing dietas. and so it's for
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  our own healing and so the process of dieta is
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  dedicating yourself to a plant for a certain
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  period of time you know you have a contract with
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  the plant that you make spiritual contract and
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  you dedicate your time and your energy to this
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  plant and through the process the plant gifts
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  you their medicine so Just if people aren't aware,
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  and I haven't touched on this yet, what is a
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  dieta? What is this? Is it a diet like cutting
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  out fat? What is it? You're cutting out some
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  form of fat. You basically want to create a vessel
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  for the plant to be able to grow in you. Right.
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  For the spirit of the plant to be put in you.
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  So when you sit with ayahuasca and you sit with
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  a shaman, they'll basically like plant a seed
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  inside of you into your consciousness. and introduce
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  you to this spirit right and it's your job to
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  tend to this plant and so it's really interesting
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  because I have a permaculture and agriculture
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  background I actually understand what plants
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  need on a very physical level and biological
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  level and so when we work with plants on the
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  spiritual level we actually create our bodies
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  and our minds like a fertile compost So we cut
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  out a whole bunch of foods and a whole bunch
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  of energies that the plants wouldn't like. But
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  my understanding of composting, it's very similar
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  to how you would make a really fertile soil.
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  So you cut out salts. And there's a few different
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  reasons why you cut out salt. But one is because
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  it would change the pH of the soil. So if you
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  think of your body as the soil for the plant
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  to grow in, you cut out salts completely from
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  your diet. You cut out any citrus. Same with
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  when you're making compost, citrus can throw
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  off the pH. You cut out any spices, any very
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  intense flavors. Spices can burn plants. So you
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  restrict your diet to very, very, very basic.
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  You're not eating any fats. A little bit of coconut
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  oil or olive oil, but no red meats, no pork,
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  no cheese, no dairy. No salt, no spices, no citrus.
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  Extremely plain diet. No drugs, no alcohol, no
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  sex. No mindless consumption of entertainment
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  or media. No consumption of violence. No sexual
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  thoughts. No sexual dreams. You basically strip
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  yourself to the bone. Of all the things that
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  are stimulating, you know, and if you look around
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  at the world and inside of yourself, I mean,
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  every single human being struggles with their
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  relationship between drugs and alcohol, food
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  and sex. Let's just be real. Everyone's got a
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  complicated relationship with at least one of
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  these. You know, maybe we've worked through it,
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  but we've all at some point. And I feel like
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  when we're working with the plants, it's an opportunity
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  to reevaluate all of those relationships. And
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  this practice intentionally brings all of that
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  up to the surface to see where you're still not
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  yet free. Right. To see where things still have
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  you. And like you realize very quickly, too,
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  because the thing with this contract is like.
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  no it's broma this is like this is not a joke
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  you know like you can't open these diets and
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  then just choose to cheat one day that's not
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  how it works it's like depending on the size
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  of the spirit that you're working with it's life
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  or death you cross the plant you can die you
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  know and this is the same in waking life this
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  is the same in dreams no sex in dreams no eating
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  bread meat in dreams And it's crazy. When you're
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  on the outside looking in and someone's explaining
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  this, it's like this is insanity. But once you're
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  in it, it all begins to really start making sense.
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  And when you remove all these things that are
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  stimulating and create dopamine and peak experiences,
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  there's nothing left to desensitize yourself
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  with. So like emotions start coming up and then
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  instead of being like, oh, and I'll eat some
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  ice cream. Oh, I'll watch a movie. Oh, whatever.
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  I'll have some sex. You know, it's like it's
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  all gone. And it's like all you can do is sit
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  with who and what you are in this moment. No
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  pacifiers. And that's where the real work happens.
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  Right. And each plant also has its own agenda
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  and its own work that it's doing and its own
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  gifts that it has. And so it'll bring different
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  things out in you. And you let the plant choose
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  you because it wants to work on you. Drastically
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  different, you know, like some plants, like one
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  of my plants was like all clearing out my guts,
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  physical, physical, you know. One day I wake
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  up, 50 pimples coming out of my stomach. Like,
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  it makes no sense, you know? Another plant, all
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  mental, you know? It's all the neuroses in the
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  mind, you know? Show you the way back to, like,
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  alignment. So, okay, just as a last little touch
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  point on this. How... If there's anything in
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  particular that you can think of that wants to
• 25:08
  come through, how has the process of dieta changed
• 25:12
  you as an individual? And just for fun bonus
• 25:18
  points, how long was your longest diet? Just
• 25:22
  for fun bonus points. Yeah, I've done, I've dieted
• 25:26
  three plants now. And so the first diet I did
• 25:29
  was three months. The second diet I did was six
• 25:32
  months. And the third diet I did was a year long.
• 25:35
  Oh. So I have a pretty good team behind me. I
• 25:42
  have a pretty good team that works with me. And
• 25:45
  yeah, just the potency also of each of those.
• 25:51
  Time frames, too, is really, really important
• 25:54
  for allowing the plants to work on you and allowing
• 25:58
  that relationship to grow inside of you. Definitely
• 26:03
  more diets in my future, but right now I feel
• 26:08
  like it's about learning how to be in my body.
• 26:10
  And I'm really enjoying that process and I feel
• 26:13
  like... have such a strong desire to get better
• 26:18
  at dieting and to continue dieting but at the
• 26:21
  same time the plants also want me to learn how
• 26:24
  to be human you know and yeah I feel like the
• 26:33
  process of dieting the thing that's come through
• 26:38
  with all three of my diets so clearly is For
• 26:45
  me, it's really easy to devote myself and to
• 26:49
  protect my energy when I'm working with the plants.
• 26:54
  You know, I have so much to give. And I will
• 26:59
  make so many sacrifices for their sake and for
• 27:04
  their energy and protect their energy constantly
• 27:06
  and clean my energy constantly for their sake.
• 27:09
  And the thing that just kept coming back again
• 27:12
  and again with all three of my diets, you know,
• 27:15
  they were just telling me, and now it's time
• 27:17
  for you to do this for you. Your energy is just
• 27:20
  as sacred. Your energy is just as pure. Your
• 27:24
  energy is just as much protecting. I feel like
• 27:30
  all of my plants really want to teach me how
• 27:33
  to love myself and be devoted to myself in that
• 27:35
  way. And they just show me that I'm capable of
• 27:39
  doing it. And then they point the finger back
• 27:41
  at me. Now do it for yourself. Fantastic teachers
• 27:46
  they are. The best. Okay. Thanks for sharing.
• 27:53
  Okay. So now these two things are kind of entwined.
• 27:59
  And I think it's funny and it's like a perfect
• 28:01
  segment into where I want to go. So. What has
• 28:06
  the wonderful world of ayahuasca and indigenous
• 28:10
  ceremonies taught you about moon time? Do you
• 28:18
  mind if I story time it? Yeah, story time, go.
• 28:22
  Story time? Always. I mean, this all kind of
• 28:26
  came to a head right as we started drinking ayahuasca,
• 28:29
  right? Because I'd never really heard of how
• 28:35
  sacred, you know, I'd never really connected
• 28:40
  with how sacred the human body was in general,
• 28:43
  my female body. You know, I always had a little
• 28:46
  bit of resistance to connecting with the sacredness
• 28:51
  held in my body, the wisdom held in my body.
• 28:53
  And I feel like all of these Indigenous teachers,
• 28:56
  it's always come back to the body, come back
• 29:00
  to... The wisdom of the natural world. And when
• 29:06
  we were first drinking ayahuasca, we had decided
• 29:10
  that we were going to move on to this retreat
• 29:12
  center. We were going to spend a year there living
• 29:15
  and drinking and just furthering our own explorations
• 29:20
  and consciousness and cultivating, you know,
• 29:23
  deeper into ourselves and month after month.
• 29:30
  I wasn't able to participate in the ayahuasca
• 29:33
  ceremonies because my body was bleeding. And
• 29:38
  at first I didn't even realize that this was
• 29:41
  a ceremony of itself. And my reaction at first
• 29:45
  was, this is so unfair. Why am I being left out
• 29:50
  because I'm a woman? And you see the same in
• 29:54
  sweat lodge. You see the same with all the First
• 29:56
  Nations and the Lakota lineage that we sit with.
• 30:00
  You're not allowed to participate in ceremony.
• 30:03
  Depends on the curandero or shaman. But for most
• 30:08
  of them, you can't sit. A woman that is bleeding
• 30:10
  cannot sit. And I was taught in my life that
• 30:15
  women just, you know, suck it up and get on with
• 30:18
  their days, you know, and you don't really let
• 30:19
  it affect you. But to be within this culture
• 30:24
  that holds this time as sacred and so sacred
• 30:30
  and so powerful that it changes everything was
• 30:36
  so eye -opening. And month after month after
• 30:43
  month, I would be in the moon lodge. And at the
• 30:47
  time, I didn't even know what the moon lodge
• 30:49
  was. And it really, I'm so grateful for this
• 30:53
  experience because it just hardwired into me
• 30:56
  how important this time is, how important this
• 31:00
  ceremony is with our body. And that I felt like
• 31:05
  at first I was being left out because I was a
• 31:07
  woman and I felt like I wasn't going to evolve
• 31:10
  in the ways that you were or in the ways that
• 31:14
  I had expected of myself because I wasn't engaging
• 31:17
  in this, you know. plant medicine ceremony because
• 31:21
  I had to be isolated and I had to be by myself.
• 31:25
  But the greatest teaching of all was that I evolved
• 31:30
  so much further in those months just by being
• 31:36
  with my body and being with myself and being
• 31:38
  with the ceremony of life and the wisdom of the
• 31:41
  female body and the feminine form. Yeah. I mean,
• 31:52
  one of the things that like, I've just begun
• 31:55
  to understand more and more from like walking
• 31:57
  this path is just how much we have to bring like
• 32:00
  intention into everything and our prayer into
• 32:03
  everything. And one of the ways of doing that
• 32:07
  to some degree is like, you don't mix ceremonies,
• 32:12
  you know? And the fact that you know, this cycle
• 32:18
  that you go through on a monthly basis is ceremony.
• 32:21
  Start to finish, you know? And even like our
• 32:24
  teacher, he says like, you know, we're here to
• 32:26
  drink ayahuasca and do ceremony, but never forget
• 32:29
  like life is the most divine ceremony of them
• 32:32
  all. And there's medicine in not drinking medicine,
• 32:36
  right? Sometimes that is the medicine. Yeah.
• 32:40
  Only, only dieteros are allowed to say that.
• 32:47
  Maybe he's not allowed to show up. Yeah. And
• 32:53
  also it's not medicine for everybody either.
• 32:55
  You know, like she will call to the people that
• 32:58
  are ready for her. It's an initiation. And I
• 33:02
  think that for me, I had to spend those four
• 33:06
  months in the moon lodge, not drinking medicine
• 33:08
  because I needed to learn that my body is its
• 33:10
  own ceremony, that my body is going through this
• 33:13
  monthly cycle that is so sacred. And it's so
• 33:18
  needed and is so like needed. It was so needed
• 33:24
  for me to embody that wisdom. And Ayahuasca knew
• 33:28
  that. And so she arranged all of the ceremonies
• 33:33
  to be at the time when I was bleeding. It wasn't
• 33:35
  even that every month it was at the same time.
• 33:38
  It was like every month ceremony would roll around
• 33:41
  and it would perfectly align up with my cycle.
• 33:44
  And she was doing it. Just so people understand
• 33:47
  what Emily is saying here. Like Emily is saying
• 33:51
  that she believes that there was a divine orchestration
• 33:55
  of the spirit of ayahuasca on her body to shift
• 33:59
  her moon time so that she couldn't sit, you know?
• 34:04
  And like, I totally believe this too, but like,
• 34:07
  I can understand that this would be like quite
• 34:09
  esoteric for some people, you know? Right. I
• 34:14
  forget that that's even far out because it's
• 34:17
  just the world that I live in. Like she's constantly,
• 34:20
  every time ceremony comes around, my body and
• 34:24
  ayahuasca are doing a little dance. Because there's
• 34:28
  still healing and work to be done there for me.
• 34:31
  And so I really feel like she put me through
• 34:35
  the fire in that so that I could alchemize it.
• 34:39
  Right. So that I could really hold that wisdom
• 34:42
  and share that wisdom with the world. And I wouldn't
• 34:44
  have received that. And then I think that leads
• 34:47
  perfectly into sort of like the next direction
• 34:51
  I wanted to go in, which is like, I have seen
• 34:55
  you embody this wisdom that I didn't even know
• 34:58
  existed until basically meeting you. And now
• 35:02
  even as a man, right. It's changed the way I'm
• 35:08
  in relation to you is also understanding this
• 35:12
  cycle. So what is the mission that you're on
• 35:17
  with the temple of her and she is nourished?
• 35:22
  Yeah. And I just want to, I want to shout out
• 35:25
  to you for the fact that you probably know more
• 35:27
  about a woman's cycle than 80 % of the female
• 35:30
  population out there. I would actually say 90.
• 35:35
  I was also going to say 90, actually. And, you
• 35:40
  know, it's not necessarily your responsibility
• 35:43
  to go out and do that research for yourself,
• 35:47
  but it's my job to teach you, right? Like, it's
• 35:51
  my job to embody that wisdom so deeply that it
• 35:54
  filters into everything that I do. 100%. And
• 35:58
  the simple example of that is like, and like,
• 36:03
  we'll get into it more later, but like, any any
• 36:07
  like woman can go to her partner like oh you
• 36:10
  need to do this for me at this stage of my cycle
• 36:13
  right but unless they deeply embody what they're
• 36:17
  expressing to the other partner like no one's
• 36:21
  gonna take it seriously you know what i mean
• 36:24
  like when you're on your moon time i cook for
• 36:27
  the house and if you weren't in the moon lodge
• 36:31
  thread tent vibes and you were just like out
• 36:34
  there conquering shit, I'd be like, fuck this.
• 36:37
  I'm not doing shit. No, like if you don't respect
• 36:41
  yourself and your cycle and your ceremony, then
• 36:43
  I'm like, why do I have to, you know? Okay, sorry.
• 36:47
  So the mission, the mission. The mission. the
• 36:51
  mission and i mean you you said that you didn't
• 36:54
  even know about this wisdom until you met me
• 36:56
  but i didn't even know about this wisdom until
• 36:58
  ayahuasca showed me right so like this was totally
• 37:02
  new to me up until five years ago right and this
• 37:06
  ain't in the textbook It just feels like every
• 37:09
  turn I make, it's like the wisdom just goes deeper
• 37:13
  and deeper and deeper. And the universe is constantly
• 37:17
  testing me with like, how deep can it go? And
• 37:20
  I'm not deciding where it ends. But the mission
• 37:25
  now is just to share it with as many women as
• 37:28
  possible, you know, especially with the young
• 37:30
  women, because this is wisdom that I found when
• 37:33
  I was 23 years old. But how... much different
• 37:39
  my perspectives on life and my perspectives on
• 37:43
  my body and my perspectives on my femininity
• 37:45
  would have been if i had found it sooner and
• 37:48
  no regrets you know it's all divinely orchestrated
• 37:51
  and my soul chose to find it out when i did and
• 37:54
  it was perfect but uh if i can you know help
• 38:00
  that younger version of me you know or help women
• 38:05
  young women in the same place to reconnect with
• 38:08
  that wisdom of their body to find that just rhythm
• 38:13
  with life right and and attuned to just the rhythms
• 38:19
  of nature right instead of working against nature
• 38:22
  it always feels like we're up against something
• 38:26
  Whereas when you find that Godspeed, when you
• 38:28
  find that rhythm, when you find that attunement
• 38:31
  with your body and your femininity, like you
• 38:33
  become unstoppable. Not in the way that like
• 38:39
  unstoppable of like, you can do anything that
• 38:41
  men can do and you can be a mother and you can,
• 38:43
  you know, work the corporate job and you can
• 38:45
  be the wife and the home, but you can become
• 38:48
  unstoppable within like the capacity that you're
• 38:51
  able to open to your femininity. We are brought
• 38:55
  into these bodies, these female bodies, to be
• 38:57
  able to host that feminine expression. And I
• 39:01
  feel like so much of our world and our culture
• 39:03
  is suppressing that. And the deeper and deeper
• 39:06
  we come into this, the more we begin attuning
• 39:09
  and coming into harmony with that mother, with
• 39:16
  that feminine energy, with that cyclical nature.
• 39:22
  Yeah. Can you just give a quick overview of the
• 39:28
  nature of a woman's cycle? How quick? Keep it
• 39:35
  under 90 minutes. I mean, the best way to really
• 39:46
  relate with a woman's cycle and her body is really
• 39:50
  to attune to the seasons. You know, it's something
• 39:52
  that we can all, even if you don't, didn't grow
• 39:56
  up in the Northern Hemisphere and you didn't
• 39:57
  have the four seasons super pronounced, you know
• 39:59
  what the feeling of winter, summer, fall and
• 40:02
  spring is like, you know. that energy and so
• 40:07
  as a woman moves through her cycle every single
• 40:09
  month she has these energetics moving through
• 40:12
  her right she is moving in a 28 -day hormonal
• 40:15
  cycle that is ebbing and flowing constantly and
• 40:19
  so as your hormones rise and as they drop they're
• 40:22
  going to affect everything about you how you
• 40:25
  show up how you present yourself to the world
• 40:28
  your relationship with yourself your libido your
• 40:33
  You know, your confidence, your creativity. It's
• 40:36
  just the list goes on and on and on. Some women
• 40:41
  feel like hormones are happening to them. But
• 40:45
  they actually are making who you are. Like every
• 40:48
  single week when our hormones are shifting, we're
• 40:53
  showing up as different people. There are four
• 40:55
  different versions of me that you interact with
• 40:58
  on a monthly basis. And you know them very well.
• 41:03
  Do you want me to go through each phase of the
• 41:05
  cycle? Yeah. Yeah. Just give me a quick, what
• 41:07
  are the phases and what they kind of correspond
• 41:10
  to from your seasonal perspective. So. I like
• 41:16
  to start with the follicular phase because it
• 41:19
  feels like spring. It's not actually technically
• 41:21
  the start of a new cycle, but in the same way
• 41:26
  that the new year doesn't really feel like the
• 41:28
  new year, I like to start with the follicular
• 41:30
  phase. So this is your hormones starting to build.
• 41:36
  This is your inner spring. So the energy is starting
• 41:38
  to build inside of you. You can feel spring in
• 41:42
  the air. You feel... creative and you feel full
• 41:47
  of potential and your estrogen is slowly rising
• 41:50
  your testosterone is slowly rising your energy
• 41:52
  is starting to build back and everything is kind
• 41:56
  of centered around ovulation so you're building
• 41:58
  up to that peak and then when you ovulate that's
• 42:01
  your summer that's that's kind of like the I
• 42:11
  mean, we call it a menstrual cycle, but menstruating
• 42:14
  is just a byproduct. The real focal point is
• 42:20
  your ovulation. It should be called a fertility
• 42:23
  cycle because the goal is not to menstruate.
• 42:25
  It's to ovulate. So when you ovulate, that's
• 42:29
  your peak. That's your summer. and then everything
• 42:32
  after you ovulate. And that's usually around
• 42:34
  two days. This is when your libido is the most
• 42:37
  high. It's when both your estrogen and your testosterone
• 42:40
  are at their peak. And it's when you have the
• 42:43
  most energy, when you are the most attractive.
• 42:48
  The actual structure of your face changes. Your
• 42:52
  face becomes more symmetrical when you have a
• 42:56
  lot of testosterone and estrogen pumping through
• 42:59
  your body. your scent becomes very attractive,
• 43:04
  your appearance becomes more attractive, and
• 43:07
  you are more attracted to testosterone markers
• 43:10
  during this time. So that lasts for about 10
• 43:16
  to 12 days. And then as you move into the next
• 43:20
  phase, your inner fall, estrogen starts to dip
• 43:25
  and progesterone takes over. And so estrogen
• 43:29
  is kind of like the, I'm out on the prowl hormone,
• 43:34
  right? It makes you want to socialize. It makes
• 43:36
  you want to interact with the opposite sex. It
• 43:39
  makes you flirty. It makes you outgoing. And
• 43:43
  as that starts to go down, you start to draw
• 43:45
  into yourself and progesterone starts to rise.
• 43:49
  And progesterone is more of the protective. creative.
• 43:54
  I want to stay inside. I want to connect with
• 43:57
  other, I want to like connect with myself and
• 44:00
  kind of hibernate energy. I like to call it the
• 44:03
  mama bear energy. You know, it's like you're
• 44:07
  protective, you're slow, you move slower, you
• 44:10
  hibernate a little bit more. That starts to rise.
• 44:14
  And then that will rise for 10 to 14 days so
• 44:20
  every woman's luteal phase is between 10 to 14
• 44:23
  days which a lot of women don't know and as soon
• 44:26
  as your body stops producing progesterone all
• 44:28
  of your hormones drop and that's what causes
• 44:32
  you to shed your uterine lining if you didn't
• 44:34
  fertilize the egg this month the body has an
• 44:38
  automatic mechanism that will just shed the uterine
• 44:41
  lining and try again And so that drops you in
• 44:46
  to your inner winter. And I really love this
• 44:50
  luteal phase. It's like long and drawn out. And
• 44:52
  a lot of women really struggle with it. But it's
• 44:54
  like the descent into winter. It's like pulling
• 45:00
  back into yourself, you know, going into your
• 45:03
  cocoon. I feel like the more gracefully that
• 45:06
  you fall into your inner winter, the easier it
• 45:09
  is. In the same way of like... How you feel with
• 45:14
  the seasons, you know, if you prepare for winter,
• 45:16
  it will be easier. Nice. Yeah, that's a beautiful
• 45:21
  overview. And like before, like any lads listening
• 45:26
  to this, like this is not just a conversation
• 45:29
  for women, right? Like this is something that
• 45:33
  is actually affecting your life on a daily basis.
• 45:39
  You know, like if you're in relation or you're
• 45:41
  seeking to be like in a partnership with someone,
• 45:45
  you know, like you can't escape these natural
• 45:49
  mechanisms to some degree. You can chemically
• 45:54
  castrate yourself to escape them. Yeah, but see,
• 45:58
  then that leads to other problems. And we'll
• 45:59
  get to that later. But like, you know, just like
• 46:02
  one of the side effects of birth control is it
• 46:04
  changes the way that women pick up pheromones
• 46:07
  and what they're attracted to. So like, if you,
• 46:10
  if you have like a partner who's like not, you
• 46:15
  know, going through this fertility cycle and
• 46:17
  instead they've completely chemically castrated
• 46:20
  themselves, then when they get off birth control,
• 46:25
  you're in trouble. You know what I mean? And
• 46:29
  it's like, I know where you are to a probably
• 46:34
  two or three day, like. Accuracy. You can pinpoint
• 46:41
  it even like as good as one day. You're like
• 46:43
  better than any tracker. You're almost better
• 46:46
  than me. Which is really interesting because
• 46:50
  I think that I am really in tune with how I show
• 46:53
  up every day. Right. But like you're the one
• 46:56
  observing me too. Right. So you actually know
• 46:59
  better than I know because it's changing everything
• 47:02
  that I do. And I have this idea of who I am,
• 47:06
  but you're seeing me evolve on a day to day basis.
• 47:09
  And you have your perspective is actually more
• 47:13
  powerful than my own understanding. For sure.
• 47:16
  Because we live in the present. You know what
• 47:18
  I mean? And like, we just we are moving day by
• 47:21
  day. But I can see, I can see the rise, I can
• 47:26
  see the descent. And like, I know this is kind
• 47:29
  of cheeky, but I'm just gonna say it, you know,
• 47:31
  like. you know you are now my fiance you know
• 47:34
  i like asked you to marry me and my best buddy
• 47:38
  was like when are you gonna do it and i was like
• 47:40
  when she's about to hope you like you know what
• 47:44
  i mean it's like if you're gonna ask something
• 47:47
  bigger your lady do it then you know it's like
• 47:50
  that's when everything is like flowing and the
• 47:53
  energy is good and the polarity is just like
• 47:55
  naturally there you know so like to be ignorant
• 47:58
  to this is a man is actually doing a disturbance,
• 48:02
  not only to your partner, but also to yourself.
• 48:04
  And the relationship as a whole, right? For sure.
• 48:07
  For sure. So, okay, let's jump into what I just
• 48:12
  brought up then. And let's talk about birth control.
• 48:16
  So how does birth control change a woman? So
• 48:22
  there's 17 different forms of birth control,
• 48:24
  first of all. So we're talking hormonal birth
• 48:27
  control, I imagine. And as I just went through
• 48:32
  the four phases of the cycle, you have this rise
• 48:35
  in estrogen, the rise in testosterone, the rise
• 48:38
  in progesterone, and then the drops, right? Your
• 48:41
  cycle's moving in waves. And it's on a 20 -day
• 48:46
  cycle, whereas when you take hormonal birth control,
• 48:49
  you are just completely flatlined. There is no
• 48:53
  variation from one day to the next. When you're
• 48:56
  cycling naturally, you're getting a different
• 48:59
  hormonal message every single day, right? And
• 49:03
  your hormones are signaling for how you should
• 49:06
  show up, how you should respond, how you should
• 49:08
  behave, right? They're overseeing everything
• 49:11
  that you do. And when you're getting a different
• 49:13
  hormonal message from one day to the next, you're...
• 49:16
  responding differently to your environment whereas
• 49:19
  when you're on hormonal birth control what hormonal
• 49:22
  birth control is doing particularly the pill
• 49:25
  which is synthetic hormones right they're bio
• 49:30
  they're bio -identical but they're actually a
• 49:34
  lot of progesterone by synthetic progesterone
• 49:38
  is actually made from testosterone which is interesting
• 49:43
  But you're not getting the same hormones that
• 49:46
  your body would be producing naturally, but they're
• 49:49
  still being received similarly. And when you're
• 49:54
  on hormonal birth control, what the pill does
• 49:57
  to you is it puts you in a state similar to your
• 50:03
  luteal phase. So the body thinks that I've already
• 50:07
  released the egg this month. We don't need to
• 50:10
  build up the estrogen. We don't need to mature
• 50:13
  that egg. We don't need to release that egg because
• 50:16
  it's already been released. So it just maintains
• 50:19
  high progesterone, low estrogen all the way through.
• 50:23
  So you do not have these peaks and valleys. You
• 50:26
  don't have this variation. You're living in a
• 50:29
  constant inner fall. You're just perpetually
• 50:33
  in your luteal phase when you're on hormonal
• 50:35
  birth control. And before anyone jumps in and
• 50:40
  says, well, I like being extremely consistent,
• 50:44
  right? To me, like being someone who has like
• 50:50
  guided a lot of people through the microdosing
• 50:53
  space, you know, and like when we're talking
• 50:55
  about antidepressants, we're creating a similar
• 51:00
  thing with those pharmaceuticals where it's like.
• 51:03
  We're removing the ability for emotions to flow
• 51:07
  and to change over time, which I would argue
• 51:10
  is like the heart pulses, right? It's like how
• 51:14
  you know you're alive. There's meant to be ups
• 51:16
  and downs. He's like, enjoy it, learn, enjoy,
• 51:20
  learn. You know, that's how life becomes rich.
• 51:24
  And like when we throw in antidepressants, you're
• 51:27
  just flatlined. Everyone's just fucking numb.
• 51:29
  You know, and I would say it sounds like a very
• 51:32
  similar thing when it comes to birth control.
• 51:34
  Yeah, they've actually done, Denmark did some
• 51:36
  really incredible and extensive studies on women
• 51:40
  because in Denmark they have basically these.
• 51:46
  What's it called when you have lists of things
• 51:49
  computerized? Like databases? Yeah, they have
• 51:54
  linked databases. So all their databases are
• 51:57
  connected. In their medical system? In their
• 52:00
  medical system. So they're a very small, wealthy
• 52:02
  country. So all their databases and their medical
• 52:05
  records are all interconnected and they're linked.
• 52:08
  And so if you get a prescription for birth control.
• 52:14
  That is linked to any other diagnosis that you
• 52:19
  get at any other time in your life. And so they
• 52:24
  started to do research in Denmark of what's the
• 52:27
  probability of women that get put on hormonal
• 52:31
  birth control, what's the probability of them
• 52:34
  being diagnosed with depression and anxiety.
• 52:38
  And depending on the age range... It changes,
• 52:42
  but for the age ranges 16 to 21, it was a 50
• 52:46
  % increase. Your likelihood of being diagnosed
• 52:49
  with depression and anxiety goes up 50%. And
• 52:53
  it's for the same reason that you said, you know,
• 52:57
  when you stop having these peaks and valleys,
• 53:00
  you know, when you're getting the same hormonal
• 53:03
  message every day. you begin to flatline, right?
• 53:06
  You don't have this signaling that makes life
• 53:10
  exciting and that makes life feel like it's worth
• 53:13
  living. It also deregulates your cortisol levels.
• 53:17
  So you're not getting these cortisol spikes.
• 53:19
  And a lot of people think that cortisol is really
• 53:22
  bad, but having really low cortisol or muted
• 53:25
  cortisol is just as bad because cortisol is also
• 53:28
  just signaling to you, oh, there's something
• 53:30
  important going on. right a hot an attractive
• 53:33
  man walks into the room and your cortisol spikes
• 53:35
  or a hot woman walks into the room and your cortisol
• 53:38
  spikes because it's signaling that there's something
• 53:42
  important happening here pay attention and when
• 53:46
  you're on hormonal birth control you don't have
• 53:49
  that signaling of like pay attention this is
• 53:52
  important okay one thing that is hilarious that
• 53:58
  i I mean, it's like also kind of sad, but it's
• 54:00
  also hilarious. Tell me about the stripper daughter.
• 54:06
  Yeah, the stripper daughter. I can't remember
• 54:09
  the name of the researcher off the top of my
• 54:15
  head. I'm not really good with that kind of stuff.
• 54:16
  But it was a really good trial. Because in the
• 54:23
  trial, the strippers who were being studied didn't
• 54:27
  know that they were being studied. And the, what's
• 54:32
  it called? Someone that's getting stripped on?
• 54:34
  A participant? Patron? Patron. I think patron's
• 54:42
  the word. Patron's the word. The patron of the
• 54:45
  strip club also didn't know that they were being
• 54:48
  studied. It was a blind study. So no one knew
• 54:51
  that they were being looked at. And what this
• 54:54
  researcher did was that he got all the strippers
• 54:57
  to mark on a calendar when they came into work
• 55:00
  where they were at in their cycle. When they
• 55:03
  clocked in for the day, they just had to mark
• 55:04
  where they were at. And then he would count up
• 55:07
  all the women's tips at the end of their shift,
• 55:11
  and he would cross -reference how many tips that
• 55:14
  they were making based on where they were at
• 55:17
  in their cycle. And what he found was that women
• 55:23
  that were in their follicular phase were making
• 55:28
  $30 to $50 an hour. I think it was $50 an hour.
• 55:34
  Women that were in their follicular phase, strippers
• 55:37
  that were in their follicular phase were making
• 55:39
  $50 an hour. Strippers that were ovulating were
• 55:43
  making $70 an hour. And strippers that were in
• 55:47
  their luteal phase were making $30 an hour. And
• 55:50
  that was just like the general consensus of all
• 55:54
  the strippers across the board. You would see
• 55:56
  this variation in how much they were making.
• 55:59
  These were averages. Yeah, the averages. But
• 56:03
  across the board, that's what they were finding.
• 56:05
  And the women that were on hormonal birth control
• 56:10
  were making $30 to $40 an hour with no variation.
• 56:16
  which completely adds up with the luteal phase
• 56:19
  right they were making the same amount of money
• 56:21
  as the women that were in their luteal phase
• 56:23
  because that's what you're perpetually in that's
• 56:25
  what hormonal birth control is doing to your
• 56:27
  system is putting you in that place and they've
• 56:33
  even done studies where you know men will smell
• 56:37
  the t -shirts of women at different phases of
• 56:40
  their cycle and they will always be more attracted
• 56:43
  to The smell of women that are fertile, right?
• 56:48
  The smell of women in their follicular and ovulatory
• 56:51
  phases will elicit testosterone in men, which
• 56:55
  makes them think that they're more attractive.
• 56:57
  Testosterone and estrogen really like each other,
• 57:00
  right? They're very attracted to each other and
• 57:02
  they balance each other out really well. And
• 57:04
  when you're on hormonal birth control, you have
• 57:07
  very low estrogen because you're in that luteal
• 57:09
  phase where progesterone is dominant. And what
• 57:13
  they find is that women that are on hormonal
• 57:15
  birth control are attracted to men with low testosterone.
• 57:21
  But if they come off the pill, they realize they're
• 57:25
  not attracted to their partner anymore because
• 57:27
  they have no testosterone and when they're cycling
• 57:29
  naturally and they have natural estrogen moving
• 57:31
  through their body, they want that testosterone.
• 57:34
  They want that masculine energy, that strong
• 57:37
  jaw, that symmetrical face. Those testosterone
• 57:40
  markers aren't being met. And there's some crazy
• 57:42
  studies out there about women that met their...
• 57:46
  partners on hormonal birth control they got married
• 57:50
  they decided they want to have children and then
• 57:52
  they went off hormonal birth control for the
• 57:54
  first time in 20 years and they realized they
• 57:56
  weren't attracted to their partner anymore and
• 57:58
  they got divorced so divorce rates skyrocket
• 58:00
  when women go off hormonal birth control if they
• 58:03
  met their partner on the pill that's interesting
• 58:06
  and then like And then we have a massive population
• 58:10
  of women on birth control, which is like this
• 58:13
  massive chemical experiment. This is not something
• 58:16
  that's new. I'm sorry, this is not something
• 58:19
  that's ancient by any means. This is what, maybe
• 58:22
  50 years of experimentation across the global
• 58:25
  population. And there's this saying, and it's
• 58:29
  like, good times make... What is it? Good times
• 58:38
  make weak men, weak men make hard times, hard
• 58:42
  times make strong men, strong men make good times.
• 58:46
  Right. And it's almost like we have women getting
• 58:50
  on birth control and then it's making weak men,
• 58:53
  you know, it's like castrating the nations. I
• 58:59
  think there's also a piece of like, you know,
• 59:02
  women. are in the workforce, right? And we're
• 59:06
  all operating on this 24 -hour circadian rhythm.
• 59:10
  And a man's cycle aligns perfectly with the circadian
• 59:14
  rhythm. Your testosterone peaks in the morning
• 59:16
  along with your cortisol and then it dips throughout
• 59:19
  the day and you get sleepy and you go to bed.
• 59:22
  And then you do the whole cycle. You do the whole
• 59:25
  cycle all over again, right? And the whole workforce
• 59:28
  is built on this cycle. And so as women enter
• 59:32
  the workforce, they feel like they can't compete
• 59:34
  with men because they're not operating on the
• 59:36
  same cycle, right? We can't show up the same
• 59:38
  every day because we're changing from one day
• 59:40
  to the next. And so there's something enticing
• 59:43
  for women that are in the workforce to be on
• 59:46
  hormonal birth control because it makes you even
• 59:48
  keel, right? You do not have these fluctuations,
• 59:51
  right? Right. Even though you're actually probably
• 59:54
  performing at like the lowest point. You know,
• 1:00:01
  it's even, but it's low. It's even, but it's
• 1:00:04
  low. But there is some testosterone in there.
• 1:00:08
  So maybe it makes you a little bit more competitive
• 1:00:10
  in that sense. So you don't have all these fluctuations.
• 1:00:15
  You don't have all these, you know, hormonal
• 1:00:18
  fluctuations that make you change from one day
• 1:00:20
  to the next. And you have a little bit more testosterone
• 1:00:23
  in your system. So you feel like you can compete
• 1:00:25
  with the boys a little bit more. You can show
• 1:00:27
  up, you know. remember just like even seeing
• 1:00:30
  recently just like scrolling on instagram this
• 1:00:33
  woman telling the story of like the time she
• 1:00:35
  took like the dose of a man's level of testosterone
• 1:00:39
  and she was like even i was looking around the
• 1:00:42
  office being like i would bend her and so she's
• 1:00:46
  so funny in the temple of her call the other
• 1:00:48
  day i was like kate ladies there was like five
• 1:00:51
  five ladies on the call i was like ladies can
• 1:00:53
  we just have an appreciation for the fact that
• 1:00:57
  When we're ovulating, so when our testosterone
• 1:01:00
  is at its highest, men have 30 times more than
• 1:01:05
  that at all times. And I was just like, guys,
• 1:01:07
  come on, can we just have a round of applause?
• 1:01:09
  And all the women are just like, for the men
• 1:01:12
  being like, okay, I have some, you know, I feel
• 1:01:16
  for the men. You know, when we're at peak ovulation,
• 1:01:18
  we're, you know, incredibly vivacious and horny
• 1:01:21
  and our libido is high and we think about sex
• 1:01:23
  a lot. at least i do and a lot of the women i
• 1:01:26
  was talking to do and to think that men have
• 1:01:30
  30 times more than that all the time it's like
• 1:01:33
  okay we we have we have some compassion show
• 1:01:37
  some love show some love for the men and what
• 1:01:41
  they're what they're dealing with on a day -to
• 1:01:43
  -day uh -huh oh um okay i don't know if this
• 1:01:48
  is something that you know a whole lot about
• 1:01:50
  um Do you know the history of birth control?
• 1:01:57
  Yeah, I know the history of birth control. I
• 1:02:01
  mean, there have been, you know, herbalists that
• 1:02:04
  have been practicing forms of birth control.
• 1:02:08
  And I mean, birth control is very far reaching.
• 1:02:12
  I mean, abstinence is the best form of birth
• 1:02:14
  control. Dieta. Yeah, no baby making on dieta.
• 1:02:22
  But I know that they're in some, you know, ancient
• 1:02:25
  wives tales. They're using fennel tea as birth
• 1:02:29
  control or to bring on your bleed. But in terms
• 1:02:35
  of just hormonal birth control, that came about
• 1:02:39
  in the 1960s. And there were two scientists named
• 1:02:45
  John Rock and Gregory Pincus who actually developed
• 1:02:49
  the... hormones that are in hormonal birth control
• 1:02:53
  but they couldn't get it to market so it was
• 1:02:56
  the early 1960s and these two scientists were
• 1:03:02
  starting to develop it but there were no women
• 1:03:04
  that wanted to go on trial basically no one trusted
• 1:03:09
  it no one believed it it was also you know very
• 1:03:12
  anti -christian um but there was A few women
• 1:03:18
  that were really pushing it and actually Margaret
• 1:03:21
  Sanger, who is the owner of Planned Parenthood.
• 1:03:24
  She's the one who started Planned Parenthood.
• 1:03:26
  She was the one who helped push it and fund it.
• 1:03:31
  And she was hanging around with all the elitists
• 1:03:36
  of the time. What's that really famous family,
• 1:03:40
  the Rockefellers? Is that the really? Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:43
  She was hanging around with that kind of crowd.
• 1:03:46
  The Rockefeller crowd, it was that kind of crew.
• 1:03:48
  And she was very... She had her own agenda, but
• 1:03:58
  she had a lot of money and access to a lot of
• 1:04:00
  investment. And so she teamed up with these two
• 1:04:03
  scientists to bring it to... The market. And
• 1:04:08
  what's interesting actually is birth control
• 1:04:10
  was the first drug ever put on the market that
• 1:04:13
  shut down a fully functioning system in a healthy
• 1:04:17
  human body. And like, this is like an important
• 1:04:21
  thing to just wrap our head around here, right?
• 1:04:24
  This is a fully functioning body, totally healthy,
• 1:04:27
  and we're just going to shut down that system.
• 1:04:31
  So that was the first drug on the market and
• 1:04:34
  how it went to market was. They had all this
• 1:04:38
  investor money and they had, you know, had done
• 1:04:41
  all the research into it, but they didn't know
• 1:04:43
  if their levels were right. And none of the American
• 1:04:46
  women wanted to go on trial. So what they did
• 1:04:49
  was they took the trials to Puerto Rico. And
• 1:04:52
  Margaret Sanger had her own agenda and she's
• 1:04:58
  been called a eugenicist. And so she has some
• 1:05:03
  really strong opinions about. ethnic cleansing
• 1:05:07
  and how birth control is going to save the undesirables
• 1:05:14
  i think is what she says sounds like a classy
• 1:05:20
  lady so far yeah she's definitely working with
• 1:05:24
  some dark magic that woman so they bring this
• 1:05:30
  trial to puerto rico and they Market it as we're
• 1:05:35
  bringing birth control to Puerto Rico, not that
• 1:05:37
  this is a trial of birth control that has not
• 1:05:40
  been FDA approved. And so they just think that
• 1:05:44
  they're getting free birth control. And I think
• 1:05:47
  there were about 1500 women in the study and
• 1:05:50
  four of them died. because the hormone levels
• 1:05:54
  were just way off. They were all complaining
• 1:05:57
  about nausea and blood clotting, and they just
• 1:06:01
  had the symptoms go on and on and on and on and
• 1:06:04
  on. And none of these women knew that they were
• 1:06:06
  participating in a trial. And so they just completely,
• 1:06:10
  you know, they went into this little shanty town
• 1:06:12
  in Puerto Rico and just did their dirty work.
• 1:06:16
  But they got enough evidence to go to trial.
• 1:06:20
  They changed the hormone balance so that it was
• 1:06:23
  stable and healthier, and they put it onto the
• 1:06:27
  market. Not killing anybody, okay? Slowly, just
• 1:06:34
  slowly. I mean, it's still the greatest health
• 1:06:39
  experiment going on in our lifetime. No one actually
• 1:06:45
  knows what the long -term implications of this
• 1:06:48
  mass uncontrolled study. of, you know, chemical
• 1:06:52
  castration. No, of course. Like, it's actually
• 1:06:57
  insane. Except that you see in Denmark that the
• 1:07:02
  incidence of women committing suicide goes up
• 1:07:06
  if they're on hormonal birth control. So there's
• 1:07:08
  that fact out there. Yeah, so back to slowly.
• 1:07:14
  It's not killing them immediately anymore, it's
• 1:07:17
  just killing them slowly. In workaround ways.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, great. That's perfect for their statistics.
• 1:07:25
  I imagine it's kind of the same with, like, antidepressants.
• 1:07:28
  It's just like, oh, yeah, no one dies from withdrawals
• 1:07:32
  or overdose. It just happens that when they go
• 1:07:35
  into withdrawal and they get off, suicide rate's
• 1:07:37
  like 10x. You know, it's got nothing to do with
• 1:07:40
  the medication, obviously. It's just byproducts.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah. Fantastic. That's a little Margaret Sanger
• 1:07:50
  history. You can dive into that deeper. It's
• 1:07:52
  a dark hole to go down. You can listen to some
• 1:07:57
  of her speeches and you can totally feel the
• 1:07:59
  energy that she's just bringing to this. Yeah.
• 1:08:03
  And she's the founder of Planned Parenthood,
• 1:08:06
  which is great. She's a very powerful woman with
• 1:08:13
  her hands and other things in a lot of pockets.
• 1:08:18
  Pull in a lot of strings. Okay. Let's make a
• 1:08:23
  nice transition out of evil scientists and elitists
• 1:08:28
  trying to chemically clastrate the entire world
• 1:08:31
  to the transition of taking this idea of the
• 1:08:41
  period to the sacred moon time. and the importance
• 1:08:49
  of language around these things. I'd love to
• 1:08:52
  hear your take. I mean, I think it's just important
• 1:08:56
  to recognize that language shapes our world,
• 1:08:59
  right? I really didn't realize this to quite
• 1:09:02
  the extent as when I started learning Spanish,
• 1:09:05
  I started thinking in Spanish and I started dreaming
• 1:09:08
  in Spanish. And I just noticed that like how
• 1:09:10
  I interacted with the world started to shift.
• 1:09:14
  Right. And that's why it's so important that,
• 1:09:16
  you know, indigenous cultures protect their language,
• 1:09:19
  because that is their worldview. That is, you
• 1:09:22
  know, how they make sense of the world and what
• 1:09:24
  they're seeing. And I think it's really important
• 1:09:28
  for women if they're going to come into relationship
• 1:09:32
  with their body, you know, if they're going to
• 1:09:34
  learn how to honor their body to actually change
• 1:09:37
  the language that they use around their body.
• 1:09:40
  right when we talk about a period and i don't
• 1:09:43
  even use this word anymore like it just doesn't
• 1:09:46
  come out of my mouth it's either my moon time
• 1:09:48
  or my bleed right it's either call it what it
• 1:09:51
  is or bring you know this sacred feminine lunar
• 1:09:56
  inspiration and you know this inseparable connection
• 1:09:59
  that we have to the moon and to our feminine
• 1:10:03
  energy and that we're operating on the same cycle
• 1:10:06
  as the moon just like you're operating on the
• 1:10:09
  same cycle as the sun you know you have you have
• 1:10:15
  your your deity and we have ours so i mean period
• 1:10:23
  literally just means to end a point in time right
• 1:10:28
  in the same significance as you end a sentence
• 1:10:30
  with a period you end a cycle with a period um
• 1:10:34
  but again it's like we're not cycling to bleed
• 1:10:39
  we're cycling to ovulate we're cycling to be
• 1:10:43
  fertile because we are fertile beings because
• 1:10:45
  we're feminine you know we're feminine you know
• 1:10:51
  generous giving motherly beings and i feel like
• 1:10:59
  when we use this language of period we disconnect
• 1:11:03
  ourselves from that understanding We forget.
• 1:11:08
  And when things are interwoven into your everyday
• 1:11:12
  language, it's hard to forget, right? It's hard
• 1:11:15
  to forget that sacred ceremony that you have
• 1:11:17
  with yourself that's going on in the background
• 1:11:19
  at all times when you're constantly referencing
• 1:11:21
  it as such. Yeah, it's not a period. It's actually
• 1:11:28
  the whole thing. It's the whole thing. It's every
• 1:11:32
  minute of every day. Exactly. And I even notice
• 1:11:37
  like even some women in my community, they'll
• 1:11:39
  refer to their cycle. And when they refer to
• 1:11:41
  their cycle, they're talking about their bleed.
• 1:11:43
  And I have to like, hey, remind them, hey, your
• 1:11:46
  cycle isn't your bleed. Your bleed is your bleed.
• 1:11:48
  You know, that's your moon time. But your cycle
• 1:11:50
  is the whole thing. You're always cycling. You're
• 1:11:55
  not just cycling when you're bleeding. It's not
• 1:11:57
  just this little, you can't package it up into
• 1:11:59
  this five days. It's never ending. It's just
• 1:12:02
  you're on the roller coaster at all times. And
• 1:12:05
  I feel like so many women that aren't in tune
• 1:12:07
  with it, it does feel like a roller coaster,
• 1:12:10
  right? Or it does feel like you're getting taken
• 1:12:12
  out at certain times of your cycle. But if you
• 1:12:15
  learn how to ride it, you can actually learn
• 1:12:18
  how to like harness the power of your cycle and
• 1:12:21
  use it to your advantage, not to your demise,
• 1:12:23
  right? It's not something that we've been inflicted
• 1:12:26
  with. It is our greatest gift and our superpower.
• 1:12:31
  And that reframe is so important. It's like literally
• 1:12:35
  the immediate connection to like the life death
• 1:12:41
  cycle, you know, like I'm not tapped into that.
• 1:12:46
  You know, I have to like kill an animal, you
• 1:12:50
  know, to even get close to that. You know what
• 1:12:54
  I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And it's happening all the
• 1:12:58
  time in our body. And I feel like, again, you
• 1:13:00
  know, in the same way that ayahuasca taught,
• 1:13:03
  you know, our shaman says, come taste a little
• 1:13:06
  death, you know, and the ceremony sometimes can
• 1:13:09
  feel like a part of you is dying. My cycle in
• 1:13:12
  the same way. It's like every month a part of
• 1:13:14
  me is dying, like energetically, emotionally
• 1:13:17
  and physically. Right. And I feel like I come
• 1:13:21
  closer to death and I come into relationship
• 1:13:24
  with death with each cycle that I have. And I
• 1:13:28
  learn how to let a little part of me die. On
• 1:13:32
  the good ones. When the resistance isn't there,
• 1:13:35
  you know? Always, right? You can call me Anna,
• 1:13:40
  right? Yeah. Okay. Just while we're talking about
• 1:13:46
  eggs moving around in different places, one thing
• 1:13:50
  that I have really loved exploring with you that
• 1:13:54
  I've never really heard anywhere else. is and
• 1:13:58
  i don't want to dive too far into the mineral
• 1:14:00
  health stuff you know because we can always have
• 1:14:02
  another conversation about that later but you
• 1:14:05
  were explaining to me how the food that we're
• 1:14:11
  very likely to like metabolize the best is actually
• 1:14:18
  the food of our grandmothers so i was wondering
• 1:14:23
  if you could kind of just expand on that idea
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, again. So when our mother is
• 1:14:35
  inside of our grandmother's belly, right? So
• 1:14:37
  as women, we are born with all the eggs that
• 1:14:40
  we will ever have. We are born with five to six
• 1:14:45
  trillion eggs. And those eggs are created inside
• 1:14:53
  of our grandmother. Wait, I got lost. When our
• 1:15:00
  grandmother is pregnant with our mother, our
• 1:15:05
  mother eggs are given to her. Yes, exactly. I
• 1:15:09
  got lost there. So the egg that we become is
• 1:15:19
  formed inside of our grandmother's belly when
• 1:15:22
  she is pregnant with our mother. Yeah, so this
• 1:15:25
  is the maternal grandmother. Yeah, so this is
• 1:15:29
  maternal grandmother. And another thing is that
• 1:15:35
  your mitochondrial health, so the DNA inside
• 1:15:39
  of your mitochondria, comes directly from the
• 1:15:42
  maternal line. So you cannot inherit any... mitochondrial
• 1:15:48
  DNA from your father's side. It does not come
• 1:15:51
  paternally. It comes directly from your mother
• 1:15:53
  and your mother's mother and her mother and her
• 1:15:56
  mother's mother's mother. That is an unbroken
• 1:16:00
  chain of the maternal line. And when your grandmother
• 1:16:06
  is pregnant with your mother, she is creating
• 1:16:10
  the egg that then becomes you. Because we have
• 1:16:13
  the most eggs that we will ever have at 20 weeks
• 1:16:15
  gestation. Like my mom had all of the eggs that
• 1:16:21
  she would ever have when she was in my grandmother's
• 1:16:24
  belly. And what's being influenced is when your
• 1:16:31
  grandmother is eating and when she's producing
• 1:16:33
  those eggs and when she's producing that fetus,
• 1:16:36
  everything that she's eating is directly supplying
• 1:16:40
  the creation of that life, of the life that then
• 1:16:43
  became you. Right. So whatever she is eating
• 1:16:47
  at that time is what your mitochondria would
• 1:16:52
  be the most adapted to metabolize. So I always
• 1:16:58
  ask my clients, like if they're struggling with
• 1:17:00
  digestion or they don't feel like they're eating
• 1:17:03
  the right foods for themselves, I ask them, like,
• 1:17:05
  what was your grandmother eating when she was
• 1:17:07
  pregnant with your mother? Because those are
• 1:17:11
  the foods that your DNA, you know, the mitochondrial
• 1:17:13
  DNA, the energy packs of your cells has adapted
• 1:17:17
  to metabolize. Right? It's what it's most, it's
• 1:17:22
  what it's built from. And so you would be able
• 1:17:24
  to metabolize it even more so. It is a little
• 1:17:28
  bit different now because the nutrients in food
• 1:17:32
  has gone down so significantly. So like if your
• 1:17:35
  grandmother was eating apples. And she was getting
• 1:17:41
  all her nutrients from apples. You would have
• 1:17:44
  to eat five times more apples to get the same
• 1:17:47
  amount of nutrients today than she would have
• 1:17:48
  been eating. From soil degradation. Yeah, just
• 1:17:52
  from our farming practices and from the way that
• 1:17:56
  we're depleting the life in the soil. We don't
• 1:17:58
  have access to as many nutrients as the generations
• 1:18:04
  before us. That just brings up a really... kind
• 1:18:09
  of like interesting idea for me where we look
• 1:18:13
  at so many people having issues with like food
• 1:18:17
  tolerances uh and not just like allergies but
• 1:18:21
  also just like people not having great guts and
• 1:18:24
  like their digestion being kind of messed up
• 1:18:27
  and what you're really talking about is like
• 1:18:30
  eating eating basically just like your grandmother
• 1:18:34
  and if you put us in like an indigenous setting
• 1:18:37
  Like we were doing that for generation after
• 1:18:40
  generation after generation. Like the Shipiba
• 1:18:43
  people are eating yucca every day. They're eating
• 1:18:45
  plantains every day, the whole way down the line.
• 1:18:48
  You know what I mean? And the same fish that
• 1:18:49
  their grandmother was eating from the same river.
• 1:18:51
  Uh -huh. And then now we are like, oh yeah, I'll
• 1:18:56
  have Italian for lunch and I'll have Indian for
• 1:18:58
  dinner. And then tomorrow I'll have, you know,
• 1:19:01
  whatever for breakfast. And then like. the food
• 1:19:05
  that we're eating while diverse and you would
• 1:19:07
  think would have more bioavailable, like more,
• 1:19:10
  more minerals or more nutrients of different
• 1:19:14
  types in it to some degree, like maybe the bioavailability
• 1:19:18
  is just like fucking zero, you know? Yeah. And
• 1:19:23
  I think that a lot of times we actually haven't
• 1:19:26
  adapted. Our genes haven't adapted to digest
• 1:19:29
  those foods as well. Right. Like you are always
• 1:19:33
  being shaped by your environment. And if you
• 1:19:35
  come from a certain region of the world that
• 1:19:38
  has this certain food, your DNA will be able
• 1:19:41
  to adapt to that because it's been eating that
• 1:19:43
  and it's been metabolizing that for generations.
• 1:19:47
  I have a friend who I want to have on the podcast
• 1:19:50
  at some point in the future. His name is Steph
• 1:19:53
  and he's a traditional Chinese medicine doctor.
• 1:19:56
  And he was saying like the. i i want to get this
• 1:20:00
  right i'm pretty sure this is what it was is
• 1:20:03
  that the symbol for chi like energy flow chi
• 1:20:08
  through the body is actually the same as like
• 1:20:12
  grain so it's like if you're of like asian descent
• 1:20:18
  it means like eating rice and he was like i'm
• 1:20:22
  of french descent so like i eat like you know
• 1:20:27
  gluten Wheat. Wheat. You know? If you're Mexican,
• 1:20:32
  you eat corn. I mean, right now, if you're anyone,
• 1:20:36
  you eat corn. We're like, if you eat anything
• 1:20:41
  like the average, like, Western culture, you're
• 1:20:44
  in 99 % corn. Like, reading the omnivore's dilemma
• 1:20:49
  was hilarious. But indigenous Mexicans are well
• 1:20:53
  adapted to corn. Just as I imagine the Peruvians
• 1:20:58
  and the Bolivians got the potato game on lock.
• 1:21:01
  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. They
• 1:21:04
  know how to digest potatoes. But I also just
• 1:21:09
  feel like our diets, I mean, in the Western world,
• 1:21:12
  our diets have changed so much in the last two
• 1:21:15
  years. Many people don't even know what their
• 1:21:18
  grandmothers ate, and you wouldn't even necessarily
• 1:21:20
  be able to get what your grandmother ate. You
• 1:21:25
  don't even expose to it anymore. Because it's
• 1:21:29
  just evolving so quickly and we have so much
• 1:21:32
  choice now. And also just like the whole food
• 1:21:36
  system is just like completely gone haywire.
• 1:21:39
  Where like you go, oh yeah, my grandmother ate
• 1:21:42
  bread, right? But like how you would make bread
• 1:21:45
  was like, it was always sourdough, you know?
• 1:21:48
  Unless you're a Jew. It was always sourdough,
• 1:21:51
  you know? like because it's sourdough it's like
• 1:21:57
  has all the biome and it breaks the gluten down
• 1:21:59
  so it can be digested correctly and now it's
• 1:22:02
  just like here's white cake bread you know and
• 1:22:06
  it's actually like not even the same food no
• 1:22:09
  and even like you know when fast food joints
• 1:22:14
  first started they were cooking with tallow and
• 1:22:17
  butter because seed oils weren't even a thing
• 1:22:19
  yet For sure. I remember stories growing up of,
• 1:22:23
  like, my dad being, like, my nana's favorite
• 1:22:27
  food was, like, after they would make sausages,
• 1:22:29
  she'd take all, like, the lard drippings and
• 1:22:33
  put that on bread. Mm -hmm. You know? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:22:40
  I mean, that's just how people ate, right? That
• 1:22:42
  was just normal. We've just come so far. Okay,
• 1:22:51
  so pushing on this idea a little bit more, right?
• 1:22:55
  One thing I really love about firstly having
• 1:22:59
  you in my life and basically being in control
• 1:23:01
  of what I eat, but also just the way that you
• 1:23:05
  respect food, like the idea of food as medicine
• 1:23:11
  rather than food is food. I was wondering if
• 1:23:15
  you could elaborate on that for me. I mean, that
• 1:23:19
  kind of ties in everything that I do really with
• 1:23:23
  my mineral work and the permaculture work and
• 1:23:26
  just this is quote that's, you know, food can
• 1:23:31
  be the quickest form of poison or the slowest
• 1:23:37
  form of medicine. The quickest form of medicine
• 1:23:39
  or the slowest form of poison? I think that's
• 1:23:42
  how it goes. Yeah, I think that's the way it
• 1:23:44
  would go. And I really feel that. And I feel
• 1:23:49
  like Indigenous knowledge has known that forever.
• 1:23:52
  And so much of our food cycle these days is just
• 1:23:58
  filled with things that are slowly killing us,
• 1:24:01
  you know, and just coming back to that wisdom.
• 1:24:04
  And we've just lost our relationship with food.
• 1:24:06
  And I think what's so powerful about dieta is
• 1:24:09
  that we get to reassess our relationship with
• 1:24:14
  food. through the process of cutting out all
• 1:24:16
  of these foods, you know, all of the sugar, all
• 1:24:19
  of the salt, all of the spice, all of the stimulation,
• 1:24:22
  and just really come back to the wisdom of our
• 1:24:26
  bodies, that like our bodies know what they need.
• 1:24:30
  Right? We have this intuitive intelligence. of
• 1:24:36
  what our cravings are. And I think so many of
• 1:24:40
  us are disconnected from our cravings and we
• 1:24:42
  don't trust our cravings, right? If we're craving
• 1:24:44
  an Oreo cookie, it's like, that's not what your
• 1:24:47
  body actually wants. That's what your dopamine
• 1:24:49
  wants. That's what your mind wants. That's what
• 1:24:51
  your, you know, your taste receptors want, but
• 1:24:55
  your body has this really deep knowing of what
• 1:24:58
  it needs. And I feel like we've become so disconnected
• 1:25:01
  from that wisdom. And we've learned how to not
• 1:25:05
  trust that wisdom. And so a lot of my work is
• 1:25:08
  teaching people how to come back to that wisdom.
• 1:25:11
  I mean, just in general, it's like most of your
• 1:25:15
  work is just like helping people unlearn. That's
• 1:25:20
  what we're all fucking here to do. We got so
• 1:25:22
  many programs running, you know, bad habits and
• 1:25:25
  bad programs. And yeah, really just. come back
• 1:25:32
  to the wisdom of nature come back to the wisdom
• 1:25:34
  of our bodies unlearn all of this programming
• 1:25:36
  yeah i mean it's definitely something that i
• 1:25:39
  noticed like during dieta which is like nice
• 1:25:42
  that you brought that up so i actually kind of
• 1:25:43
  didn't think of that as an angle which it definitely
• 1:25:45
  should have been um but like yeah oh um at first
• 1:25:52
  it's all the cravings going off you know it's
• 1:25:55
  just like oh cookies ice cream yum you know and
• 1:25:58
  then that's slowly once you get over that hump
• 1:26:00
  it takes like a good at least for me it took
• 1:26:03
  a good like 30 60 even maybe 90 days to like
• 1:26:10
  really land post ice cream cravings i would say
• 1:26:16
  me it took 30 i would say 30 days i was like
• 1:26:21
  rolling on that thing yeah i mean i wasn't like
• 1:26:25
  salivating but like it was coming up still every
• 1:26:27
  now and then you know um but then once i got
• 1:26:32
  over that hump you know then it was like oh now
• 1:26:36
  i finally for the first time in my life understand
• 1:26:39
  what it's like to eat intuitively and it's like
• 1:26:41
  we would go to the market and it's like oh i
• 1:26:43
  want this fruit oh i just like i feel like red
• 1:26:46
  things you know and it's like oh no i don't want
• 1:26:49
  broccoli You know what I mean? I can't do any
• 1:26:51
  more broccoli this week. And it's like, I knew
• 1:26:56
  what my body needed intimately. And it's past
• 1:26:59
  the point of like, oh, my body needs vegetables,
• 1:27:02
  not, not ice cream. And it's like, no, we're
• 1:27:05
  talking about what specific vegetables in specific
• 1:27:08
  portions at specific times of the day, you know,
• 1:27:13
  like actually riding the wave of the intuition
• 1:27:16
  of what the body wants at like all times. and
• 1:27:20
  just connecting with like your senses too right
• 1:27:23
  like you're attracted to certain colors and certain
• 1:27:26
  fruits because your body knows what it can provide
• 1:27:28
  you with right red signifies that it's a blood
• 1:27:32
  purifier so your body will be drawn to certain
• 1:27:35
  you know red foods when you're about to bleed
• 1:27:37
  for instance that's why you crave red foods right
• 1:27:41
  before you bleed you know and like taste and
• 1:27:45
  smell and touch, you know, and just becoming
• 1:27:48
  intimate with your food, right? When you go to
• 1:27:51
  the market and you like touch your food and you
• 1:27:53
  feel your food and you interact with the person
• 1:27:55
  that grew your food. It's just like you turn
• 1:27:59
  on all of those senses, you signal to the body
• 1:28:01
  what's coming and your body is able to like prepare
• 1:28:05
  to digest these foods as well. You know, when
• 1:28:08
  you receive all this food out of a counter and
• 1:28:10
  eat it in your car, it's like you're just cutting
• 1:28:12
  off all of those signals. And I can only imagine
• 1:28:16
  like what it must be like. I'm sure there's plenty
• 1:28:19
  of people out there that live like exclusively
• 1:28:21
  on Uber Eats groceries. like delivery they just
• 1:28:26
  like sit back at their computer they don't look
• 1:28:28
  smell touch feel anything they have no discernment
• 1:28:33
  around this mango looks better than that mango
• 1:28:35
  and it's literally just like fiat mega coughs
• 1:28:39
  just like sending the shit down the pipeline
• 1:28:42
  to you And also being in tune with like what's
• 1:28:46
  growing in your area, too. You know, like a lot
• 1:28:49
  of food gets imported and it's like it wasn't
• 1:28:52
  grown on soil that you were adapted to. It wasn't
• 1:28:54
  grown in an environment that you're adapted to.
• 1:28:56
  Like you will metabolize food better that is
• 1:29:00
  grown in the area that you're in. Right. Like
• 1:29:04
  there is a point where like you would metabolize
• 1:29:06
  food better that was grown where your grandmother
• 1:29:08
  was in. But like, you know, come down the line
• 1:29:12
  to like you are attuned to your surroundings,
• 1:29:14
  the amount of light that is being received, the
• 1:29:17
  wind, the air, all of it, the minerals in the
• 1:29:20
  soil. If you're living in that environment, you
• 1:29:23
  want to be eating from that environment and you
• 1:29:24
  want to be eating seasonally. Yeah, I mean, like
• 1:29:28
  even as an example, like we eat a lot of like
• 1:29:31
  momos, like the rambutan lychees down here by
• 1:29:36
  the fistful. you know, when they're in season.
• 1:29:39
  I was just recently in Boston and they had them
• 1:29:42
  in like the Whole Foods there or whatever it
• 1:29:44
  was. And I was like, I would never fucking eat
• 1:29:46
  these. You know what I mean? Like shipped halfway
• 1:29:49
  across the world. Like the beauty of the Momo,
• 1:29:53
  you know, is that like you got it yesterday,
• 1:29:56
  you know? Yeah, I mean, and you can taste the
• 1:30:01
  freshness in it, but also the nutrient content
• 1:30:04
  is there. When you harvest things early, plants
• 1:30:09
  have this mechanism where they'll actually create,
• 1:30:14
  is it tannins? I mean, there's lots of different
• 1:30:20
  things. There's lectins and tannins and oxalates
• 1:30:23
  and all of it. They'll basically make their fruit
• 1:30:27
  poisonous until it's ready to be eaten. Right.
• 1:30:33
  Like until it's the seeds have fully formed and
• 1:30:38
  they could pass on like the fruit actually had
• 1:30:41
  like the tree or the vine. The plant has a mechanism
• 1:30:43
  where as soon as the seeds are ripe and ready
• 1:30:48
  to be fertilized, it will pull out all of those
• 1:30:50
  toxins. So if you're harvesting food early, the
• 1:30:54
  plant still has all of those toxins that that
• 1:30:57
  fruit still has all the toxins in it. And then
• 1:31:00
  you eat it and you absorb them all. And so you
• 1:31:03
  don't actually digest food as well when you're
• 1:31:05
  not letting food ripen on the vine. As well as
• 1:31:10
  if you take food off the vine and you let it
• 1:31:14
  sit in your fridge or, you know, in a shipping
• 1:31:16
  container for a week, the nutrient content goes
• 1:31:20
  down every single day by a significant portion.
• 1:31:24
  Or we take it to the total extreme of how McDonald's
• 1:31:28
  fries are created and they use so many pesticides
• 1:31:32
  and oversides in the fields and fertilizers that
• 1:31:36
  they need to pull out all the GMO potatoes and
• 1:31:39
  leave them in a warehouse to off gas for like
• 1:31:43
  60 days where you have to wear a fucking hazmat
• 1:31:47
  suit. You know? To even go in there. And then
• 1:31:51
  you're like, oh yeah, well they've been off -gassed
• 1:31:53
  and now deep -fried in seed oil. Yum yum. Like,
• 1:31:59
  fuck me. Disgusting. Off -gas. You know? You
• 1:32:04
  gotta off -gas your food before you eat it. Oh,
• 1:32:06
  of course. and like obviously it's not always
• 1:32:13
  that simple where like you can just click your
• 1:32:14
  fingers and like we all go back to eating like
• 1:32:17
  you know indigenous and naturally and stuff like
• 1:32:19
  food systems are held up like in this fucking
• 1:32:21
  crazy scheme now you know so it's not just like
• 1:32:24
  an immediate fix but like as the individual if
• 1:32:27
  you have like any level of like consciousness
• 1:32:29
  it's like the food that you eat literally becomes
• 1:32:33
  you you know It's it's it's a living organism
• 1:32:40
  that you take on into your body. Right. And like
• 1:32:43
  you, you are constantly taking on the energy
• 1:32:46
  of the food that you're eating. So not even,
• 1:32:48
  you know, like how it's nutritional value, but
• 1:32:52
  like how it was grown, who it was grown by, who
• 1:32:54
  cooked it, who prepared it for you. And when
• 1:32:56
  you're so disconnected from that chain of events,
• 1:32:59
  like your body doesn't know what to do with it.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah. And like another perfect example, like
• 1:33:05
  even from my own experience is. like i'm super
• 1:33:10
  pro red meat you know like obviously we cut it
• 1:33:15
  out on diet and everything but like when i eat
• 1:33:17
  it i feel good like i feel my body like really
• 1:33:21
  turning on but like there's also energetic components
• 1:33:25
  to all these things and like if you go carnivore
• 1:33:28
  for like any length of time even like after a
• 1:33:31
  week you start to feel like this like aggression
• 1:33:36
  this like instinctual mind gets on overdrive
• 1:33:40
  you know and there's like that layer you know
• 1:33:44
  to the way like the way we eat too and it's not
• 1:33:46
  to like over complicate things but it's just
• 1:33:48
  to come back to like how important the intuitive
• 1:33:51
  thing is because you can't write a list of yes
• 1:33:54
  no yes no in this proportion and this amount
• 1:33:56
  of this different days of the week it's literally
• 1:33:58
  like every meal you know is in front of you and
• 1:34:01
  every week is in front of you and it's like you
• 1:34:03
  have to dance with it And I think it's really
• 1:34:07
  dangerous to, you know, start looking at food
• 1:34:09
  just as calories, too. I know a lot of women
• 1:34:13
  count their calories and it's like food is so
• 1:34:15
  much like, you know, just dulling it down into
• 1:34:19
  a number of calories on a table. It just takes
• 1:34:23
  out all the medicine from it. It just strips
• 1:34:28
  it down. I mean, even like the unit of calories.
• 1:34:35
  I may not recall this exactly, but it's something
• 1:34:38
  about like putting the material into a, like
• 1:34:41
  a black box and set fire and see how much energy
• 1:34:45
  comes out of it. Like that's how our digestion
• 1:34:48
  works. And that's why I work with the minerals
• 1:34:55
  because it is something that's tangible. right
• 1:35:00
  it is something that can be measured in the body
• 1:35:03
  and it's like our direct relationship with the
• 1:35:06
  ground beneath our feet and with the food that
• 1:35:08
  we eat but it can be measured you know minerals
• 1:35:10
  they're never born and they never die right they
• 1:35:14
  just cycle from one life form to another and
• 1:35:18
  it's literally just you know the ground that
• 1:35:21
  we walk on you know the minerals the grandfathers
• 1:35:25
  adapting to our body and when we die it's just
• 1:35:27
  gonna go back into the cycle yeah that reminds
• 1:35:33
  me of that you know the the song that's like
• 1:35:36
  all over instagram of the uh indigenous people
• 1:35:39
  in papa new guinea and it's just like so beautiful
• 1:35:43
  like the lyrics i'll just pull it up you're gonna
• 1:35:47
  play it are you just gonna read the lyrics i
• 1:35:49
  mean i could actually just play it i imagine
• 1:35:55
  If I can find it is the question. It's so good
• 1:35:58
  though. But the lyrics, I'll just, I'll just
• 1:36:00
  read that. It is my alarm. Isn't it your alarm?
• 1:36:02
  Yeah, but I got to find the lyrics here somewhere.
• 1:36:06
  I'm pretty sure I saved it recently. Yeah, there
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  it is. So the lyrics day by day, we walk on our
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  feet, pressing the same earth, our fathers and
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  our father's fathers walked day by day while
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  they walked on. day by day we walk on harsh little
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  ones don't tell the earth we love her yet we
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  will sleep in her soon enough but for now we
• 1:36:32
  walk on like the spirit right there you know
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  that's the medicine yeah yeah and just like man
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  there's i've so very much enjoyed my relationship
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  with you you know over the last like seven years
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  and such a big piece of that is just this like
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  pursuit of something sacred you know like it
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  really it does feel like it's at the top you
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  know it's even like the lives that we live and
• 1:37:11
  our relationship as a whole it's like it's it's
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  for creator you know And it's like for these
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  plant spirits and it's for the Pachamama, you
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  know, and like our teacher, he says, like, we're
• 1:37:26
  all just searching for something sacred, you
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  know, like all of us, we walk through life. And
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  like, it took me a long time to actually find
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  what that was, you know, but now I see it everywhere,
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  you know, but at first, like I was a hard nut
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  to crack, you know, like Ayahuasca had to do
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  some. yeah like i was as fucking rational logical
• 1:37:48
  materialist as you get you know but like now
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  the food is sacred now the water is sacred now
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  our home is sacred this the energy in our space
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  is sacred our relationship is so sacred our sex
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  is sacred you know or at least we try to get
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  as close as we can You know? Yeah, I mean, we're
• 1:38:09
  not perfect, but... Yeah, I'm probably going
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  to go eat a little bit of chocolate after this.
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  So, like, you know... It can be sacred. Cacao
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  is sacred medicine. This is true. This is true.
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  Yeah. Anything else you want to add? I'm kind
• 1:38:25
  of feeling like... I'm feeling pretty complete.
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  I feel like we definitely have to have more conversations.
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  But for this one, I mean, it's been two hours.
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  I feel like we've... We touch a lot of bases.
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  Yeah, for sure. Well, I think like we definitely
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  have like a whole other conversation to some
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  degree around minerals. But we'll probably do
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  that one kind of nitty gritty and you can like
• 1:38:50
  have your notes up and like really dive in and
• 1:38:52
  like almost like a lecture style, you know? That
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  sounds fun. But I feel like this was like a really
• 1:38:58
  good just like overview of like who you are and
• 1:39:00
  our relationship and some of the medicine that
• 1:39:03
  you offer the world. And, you know, I really
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  like when it comes to telling stories. And I
• 1:39:08
  even said this to Emily, like before we jumped
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  on was like one of the biggest points for me
• 1:39:14
  of like creating this podcast is really just
• 1:39:17
  like all of us have gone through a journey and
• 1:39:20
  like learned a lot of lessons along the way.
• 1:39:22
  And something I've learned. through my own process
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  is like this idea of like the hero's journey,
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  you know, that we all have to go on. But then
• 1:39:30
  there's kind of like another, another parallel
• 1:39:34
  system to that, which is like apprenticeship,
• 1:39:37
  you know, and you don't have to like go through
• 1:39:41
  all the faults of by yourself. You can actually
• 1:39:46
  learn from other people's like, we're not like.
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  oh we saw like we're not monkeys at the point
• 1:39:52
  where it's like monkey burn themselves and like
• 1:39:54
  i see someone burn themselves but i'm like i
• 1:39:56
  need to burn myself just just to make sure yeah
• 1:39:59
  like there's things we have to verify of course
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  and like we'll always have our own like karmic
• 1:40:03
  events like just like smash into our lives at
• 1:40:06
  points you know um but yeah it's just you know
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  life is good life is good and uh i just It's
• 1:40:18
  so hard to find the signal and find the noise
• 1:40:21
  and go through growth sometimes. And I know if
• 1:40:25
  I could talk directly to like 18 -year -old Matt,
• 1:40:29
  I would be a fucking lifesaver, you know? And
• 1:40:33
  I know for a fact that if you could talk to 16
• 1:40:36
  -year -old Emily or... a bunch of 16 year olds
• 1:40:41
  out there it would like seriously change the
• 1:40:44
  trajectory of lives in the most positive of ways
• 1:40:46
  you know and that's why i like want to come on
• 1:40:49
  here and have these conversations and hold space
• 1:40:50
  for you to like share your medicine and your
• 1:40:52
  message with the world so thanks for coming on
• 1:40:56
  and and sharing your medicine thanks for providing
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  the container for me to do so in all the ways
• 1:41:03
  that you do in my life This is just one of many,
• 1:41:07
  but it's such a joy sharing with you and weaving
• 1:41:11
  with you and kind of just also retracing our
• 1:41:15
  life together, you know, and like all the, all
• 1:41:18
  the beauty and all the ways that we've just created
• 1:41:21
  so much sacredness in our life and so much meaning
• 1:41:25
  and purpose. And we're still here six and a half
• 1:41:28
  years later. Just getting started. Just a thought.
• 1:41:32
  Yeah. Like just getting started. Yeah, I, uh,
• 1:41:36
  it was like, you know, I met Emily three days
• 1:41:40
  into my trip and four days later, I told my best
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  friend I'm going to marry her. It was just like,
• 1:41:49
  done. You're the one. Almost exactly seven years
• 1:41:55
  later, it's happening. Yeah, that's true, actually.
• 1:42:00
  It's like almost exactly. Almost exactly. It's
• 1:42:03
  going to be seven years. Nice. I like the number
• 1:42:06
  seven. Me too. That feels right. Yeah. Okay.
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  Let's wrap it up. Last thing. What is the meaning
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  of life? In one sentence. Aho. Aho. Aho. Okay.
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  Thank you so much, Emily. Thank you so much for
• 1:42:43
  anyone who tunes in to listen to this one. Emily
• 1:42:47
  is absolutely amazing. She's getting some Instagram
• 1:42:51
  communities, school communities going, teaching
• 1:42:56
  her medicine. Where can they find you? So you
• 1:43:02
  can find me on Instagram at HerTheSacred. And
• 1:43:06
  in there, in my link, in my bio, I have access
• 1:43:10
  to my free women's community where we meet every
• 1:43:13
  Wednesday and just explore a different topic
• 1:43:16
  every week on just women's health and femininity
• 1:43:20
  and just connection and creating a space for
• 1:43:22
  women to see and be seen and explore and learn
• 1:43:26
  just the sacredness held in our body. And just
• 1:43:30
  keep coming back to that week after week, hold
• 1:43:34
  that torch. So if you want to connect with me
• 1:43:36
  on there, I'm always looking for new women to
• 1:43:39
  bring in. And yeah, I would love to see you.
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  Thank you, Matt, for all the space that you create
• 1:43:44
  and provide and magic and light that you bring
• 1:43:47
  into this world. Wow. You're more than welcome.
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  De nada. Okay. I'll put all the links to everything
• 1:43:55
  down below as well. So you can find Emily real
• 1:43:58
  easy. And yeah, that's it. Let's go have dinner.
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  All my relations.