Latest / Ruining the Workplace Podcast / Ep 9 Phyllis Diller Ruins Comedy
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- Jaden: I'm Jaden and this is the Ruining the Workplace podcast. Danielle: and I'm Danielle. I'm sad we're not in the room together this time. ⁓ Jaden: ⁓ I'll forever be sad about that. It was. Yeah. And it just gave me the confidence that we need to go more places and do more hanging out together because we are so matched. Danielle: I know that it just was so right. It was so right. Yeah. We're so matched. know I didn't tell you this before. I don't know if I was saving maybe subconsciously, I was saving it for this, but I was ⁓ on the plane ride ⁓ and I was just so good. Even though like, like I had spent most of that day at the airport, ⁓ it's a lot of to get back, ⁓ but I was just so good. And it occurred to me that like, I felt like myself again, you know, Jaden: No. Mm-hmm. yes. Danielle: Like I think that that trip was like a return to myself in the best way. I was like, ⁓ my God, it was just such a good feeling. And I've been kind of riding that high. got me through all of last but ⁓ Jaden: Yeah. Hahaha Danielle: Like, oh, how can I just make sure that I have, like, the last few years have been hard. it was just like, ugh, that's me. That's who I am. It was so good. I had such a great time with you. Yay. Jaden: Mm-hmm. ⁓ that. yay. ⁓ that's so amazing. I share a similar sentiment. I think we both acknowledged at one point where it was like, God, we're just kind of free right now. And everybody is okay with that. And we can just do our thing. And I felt supported by the family for us to just go and I was like, ⁓ Danielle: Yes. Yeah. Yes. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Jaden: So yeah, I totally get what you're saying. It's like a return to self, a return to just being, yeah. ⁓ man, that's awesome. Thank you for that gift. That is such a gift. Danielle: Truly. It's, yes, it was, it was so good. And like, there's something about just like those tight and ridiculous and amazing friendships ⁓ can be hard to find as an adult. And I think especially as a parent, because so much of what you do is like kid centered, right? ⁓ so just to have Jaden: Mm hmm. Yeah. ⁓ yes. ⁓ gosh, Danielle: our friendship is, I don't, it's just so beautiful. I love it so much. It's just so fun. And we did the best stuff. Jaden: I love it too. Me too. Nobody else can be like, yeah, I went to Rick Ross. Danielle: I mean, the other people who were there could be. Jaden: That's not us though. That's other people we don't know. That was, I think that is my ⁓ crowning achievement Danielle: That's true. You're right. That's true. Yeah, I do think the Rick Ross stands out to me. and it was a little bit of an impromptu decision because we had a running list of things we wanted do ⁓ together and that wasn't on it until ⁓ like two days before I came and ⁓ it was like, ⁓ this is happening. ⁓ Jaden: Mmm. It was a maybe, maybe and then. Danielle: And then like the day before we're like, no, it's a definite yes. Jaden: It's last minute decision I think either of us have made in a long time. Danielle: ⁓ So yeah, the whole trip was amazing. I'm still that wave and like, ⁓ nice. Yeah. ⁓ Yeah. What else is going on with you? What's new? What's the haps? ⁓ Jaden: Awesome. Me too. Yay. You know, ⁓ it was a busy week. My mom had cataract surgery. She's doing really good now. She's probably going to move into yet another new apartment, which is fine. ⁓ my god. I know. other than that, my daughter is up her theater season. Danielle: Mm-hmm. She's got cool shades to move in with. She's going to look so badass. Mm-hmm. Jaden: which has just been such a ⁓ haul, but it has allowed me some like more free time, which I appreciate as well. I'm still coming down from the epic JDL weekend. So yeah, yeah. So now it's just back to normal life. ⁓ Back to the grind. Danielle: Yeah. So epic. Amazing. Amazing. Back to the grind. I know, I Okay, so I'm gonna switch gears. Here, we're taking a left turn. Our podcast is now live in the world for other people to listen to, and I've been thinking a lot. Jaden: Okay, let's go. Mm-hmm Danielle: the last few days about giving a very special shout out to our listener, Dawn. Hey, Dawn. And yes, and Jess. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Dawn and Jess. ⁓ I have, I have not met Jess. Have you met Jess? ⁓ my God. Lucky. So we'll all need to do, well, we're all going to go to Dollywood together. So that's fun. Jaden: Hey, Dawn. And Jess, we should include his wife, Jess, in that because she's been a fast follow on that. Only on Zoom. Yes. Danielle: But yeah, shout out to Don and Jess. We love you guys. Jess, we hope to meet you in person someday. I love and appreciate the support and excitement from Don, or the excitement that I'm picking up ⁓ It could be fake and I wouldn't know. The perceived excitement ⁓ and the pictures ⁓ we're listening in the car. ⁓ Jaden: Mm-hmm, we will. It's fake. It's not real. It's AI. Proof. I love it. Danielle: so shout out to Don and Jess. We love you and thank you ⁓ Jaden: Yeah. Thank you so much. means the world to us. you know, will shout everybody who's listened to us. Thank you. And if have or subscribed or done all those things, thank you for that. Danielle: Mm-hmm. All right. Are we ready today? Okay. so I'm curious, Jaden, are you familiar with the name Phyllis Diller? Jaden: Ooh, you know, I feel like that name really does ring a bell from like 1980s TV. But that's the extent of it. Danielle: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. No, that's good. ⁓ Is there anything in particular, like, about the TV that stands out? Like, was she on a show? Was she? I'm going to have quizzing you before I tell you anything. Jaden: I don't remember like a specific show. She gives a Golden Girls vibe, but I know she wasn't a Golden Girls. And I just recall her like, she being stylish and having a voice that kind of sounds like that. But that's it. Danielle: Okay. Yeah. Amazing. I love that. ⁓ It's funny that you mentioned the stylishness, because we'll get into that. She made some choices, very intentional choices. So Phyllis Diller is acknowledged as the first ⁓ of famous female comedian in the stand-up space. I had never heard of her before, and I was going to do an episode on Joan Rivers. ⁓ Jaden: out. Danielle: Joan was like Phyllis Diller all the way. She was an inspiration. Amazing. And I was like, OK, well, who's Phyllis? And then here we are. Amazing. Iconic. So we're going to talk a little bit about comedy and Phyllis and her style and how she got started and got into it and how she was kind of groundbreaking and really turning the tables on comedy at the time. And even I would say watching some of her stuff today, Pretty refreshing takes, know, a pretty interesting way to like flip it on its head. So here we go. So Phyllis was born in 1917 in Ohio. She attended the Lima Central High School. while she was there, she noticed a talent for comedy. She's reported saying, I was always a pro, even as a little kid. I was an absolutely perfect, quiet, dedicated student in class. Jaden: I love it. Danielle: but outside of class, I got my laughs. So she's always kind of been hamming it up, putting on shows for people. After school, she studied piano for three years at the Sherwood Music Conservatory of Columbia College in Chicago, but decided against a music career after hearing how skilled her teachers and mentors were. She didn't think that she could achieve that, so she transferred to a different college. Yeah, which I'm like, Jaden: you Danielle: think she gets a little musical in some of her acts. but while she's at this other college that she transfers to, and the year is about 1939 now, she meets a man called Sherwood Diller and they elope. At that point, she stops going to school. She doesn't finish. And she instead shifts her focus to being a homemaker, taking care of their five children. That seems like a lot to me. Yeah. Right. Right. Of the times, it's probably not a lot of right now. I'm like, ⁓ my God, that's so many. I think it's interesting though. This, this stood out to me as a pretty big shift of like, she's studying things. She's like, maybe I'll be a musician. Well, maybe not. I'm not that great, whatever. And then shifts to just being a homemaker. Like she seemed like she was on a path to do. Jaden: Five children. I mean, it's of the times, right? Danielle: something. She was pursuing a talent, skill. And that's not to say that homemaking is not a skill. It totally is. It's just such a detour, you know? Jaden: It is. Well, and homemaking, a skill inside the home. And I'm imagining when this career or, kind of this path is opening up for her. sort of, ⁓ you know, the time when women didn't really focus outside the home. This was obviously, you know, breaking the norm. Danielle: Right. Exactly. Yeah. And she pivots again later. So her husband Sherwood holds a string of jobs through World War II. And after a while, Phyllis primarily focuses on, you know, she's just raising her kids, but she steps up to kind of help support the family after a while. So she takes positions as a women's editor for a small newspaper, writing copy for advertising. And in 1952 actually starts working at a radio station in Oakland. So they're in California now. ⁓ Jaden: Okay, how many dreams on my dream log did she just crash through? She was a copywriter for an adage and then she was a broadcast? Ugh. ⁓ Danielle: I know. I know! Right? I know. I'm like, wait, I want to know more about how that happened. And I didn't see much about that. I'm sure the details might be found somewhere, but knowing that we do mid-dives, I didn't have the details of like, how do you go from being a homemaker to working at a newspaper to writing ad copy, and then all of sudden you have a radio show? Like, that's crazy. Those are amazing leaps and bounds and like, I know, right? It's so fun. So. Jaden: Mmm. I love it. Danielle: She has her radio show in Oakland at the KROW station. And that year she records 15 minute episodes of a show called Phyllis Dillis the Homely Friend Maker. ⁓ That's mouthful. Friend Maker. Yes. Right. ⁓ So she's leaning back into comedic. Jaden: Ha Steelers. Danielle: ⁓ She's like, no, I'm funny though. Like, yeah, I've been staying home, but I'm hilarious. And I'm going to make homemaking really, really funny. So she dresses up in a housecoat. She's offering ridiculous advice to homemakers. so she's really like, this is starting to like kick off like her comedy career. She's like, I have this show and I'm being ridiculous and giving quote unquote advice. I'm imagining like just an obnoxious like Martha Stewart, right? Jaden: am imagining, yes, ⁓ my gosh, I love this. Danielle: funny. ⁓ So got her show. assuming going because I mean, she keeps episodes for it. And at the same time, she's like doing impromptu stand up for friends at parties. Like she's just putting on shows. ⁓ like, hey, we're all having dinner. ⁓ my God, have I got something to tell you guys kind of a thing. I love it so much. I know. I know, right? I And her husband is encouraging her to try standup. He's like, you have a thing here. Like you have to do something with this. And at the time it wasn't that like there were no women in standup. It was just, you know, they weren't really like super famous. And we'll talk about that a little bit more later on, but Jaden: ⁓ my god. Why can't... I wanna be that grandma. Danielle: Finally, she says she sat down, called the Red Cross, and said, I have an act. Where do you want it? And they sent her to the Veterans Hospital. And she pushed a piano into a room that had four guys sitting in it, played, sang, told jokes while they yelled, leave us alone. We're already in pain. Jaden: They're like, no, no, Please stop. Danielle: This is not what we want. Jaden: ⁓ man, okay. Danielle: And I, ⁓ so that little story is a from her that has been mentioned in a few articles. And I have to wonder, like, was it like her brand of comedy? Was it that she was a woman? Was it that she was like, not ⁓ good yet? Or, ⁓ you know what mean? because she on to be this ⁓ huge name in comedy. So like, what, what were they? Jaden: Well, maybe they were just like, ⁓ my god, these jokes are so cringe, but they're so funny and we just can't have that. Danielle: Right? We're too cool for this. We can't laugh at the lady comedian. No. So finally though, in 1955, at the age of 37, which I love, she takes the stage at the Purple Onion in San Francisco to make her professional debut. So this is the first time that she's on stage at a comedy club. Jaden: ⁓ you Danielle: and it goes really, well. She started with a two week booking that turned into 89 consecutive weeks. That's a long time. Jaden: ⁓ wow. ⁓ It's small departure from getting kicked off the VA stage. Crushed it. Okay. They were just on way too much morphine, or maybe not enough. Maybe it wasn't enough. I don't know. Danielle: Exactly those those old guys had no idea who they were dealing with ⁓ My gosh, maybe not enough I don't know who knows but it worked out really well for her And she would later joke you know when asked how did you get into stand-up or what made you want to do this? ⁓ She would say got into it because she had a sit-down husband ⁓ Jaden: Wait, wait, wait, hold on. She was a standup comedian because she had a sit down husband. Danielle: Okay. Yeah. So. Jaden: He like is supportive. Danielle: He was very supportive, like, he was just kind of working like a string of odd jobs. So like she had to go back to work to help support the family. And I think it was like a gentle ribbing. I'm assuming I guess I don't know, but I think it's very funny. Jaden: ⁓ man. It's hilarious and I ⁓ am constantly inspired by our podcast because I feel like I get new role model like every week. ⁓ It's amazing. Okay, keep Danielle: I know, I know, right? Truly, I know. like, how can we channel our inner Phyllis just all the time? Because this is so good. Maybe, some days maybe, right? ⁓ So she says that she had no clue what she was doing when she started. Like she ⁓ got standup because she was funny, but she didn't really have any clear female role models. Didn't really understand like the mechanics of Jaden: real. Maybe I channel mine too much. Anyway, keep going. Yeah, anyway. Danielle: how to do a bit, right? So she relied a lot on props and used her work background for satire, making silly versions of classical music or advice columns. And later on we see her kind of develop this persona, which was a caricature of femininity. So she'd been a homemaker, she'd worked in newspapers, she'd worked in giving advice, And used all of that to fuel this persona, ⁓ where she would wear just ridiculous baggy dresses, insane hair. She'd hold a cigarette holder with a wooden cigarette, and she didn't actually smoke. if you look her up, I mean, it's just the wildest. ⁓ Her hair looks like she her fingers into an electrical socket. ⁓ And ⁓ right, like. ⁓ Jaden: ⁓ I love that. Oh my gosh, she does. Oh, I love it. Danielle: It's wild. And she did have kind of a distinct voice, like kind of raspy and like, I don't know that she talked like that in real life. Right. So she, she took her, her experience and just like cranked it up to like 12. I was like, I'm just going to be the most off the wall woman. No one knows what to do with me. No one knows how to react to me. and she said, you know, she couldn't make jokes ⁓ her figure. ⁓ Jaden: Yeah Thanks. Danielle: if people could see her actual figure. Like, she was a pretty woman. She had a nice shape, you could say. So she had to, like, dress it up and make a joke of it. So she'd wear kind of these crazy moomoos or these just insane dresses where you're like, what is even happening here? And people didn't know what to think of her. They had no idea, you know, what she was even going for or what she was trying to do. But it was really, really intentional on her part, A, to be able to make jokes about her body. but also to fight against the idea that women should always be pretty. She wasn't performing for men, like performing femininity for men. She was showing up like, I've got jokes to tell and I don't want my beauty or my perceived beauty to get in the way of that. Jaden: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So she's sort of forming this version of like what self-deprecating style of humor it sounds like. Danielle: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And she even creates a fake version of her husband or a husband character for her persona. And his name is Fang. I don't know where the name came from. Jaden: This woman just continues to amaze me. Danielle: I know she's just like one thing after another and she makes fun of fang a lot. So in comedy at the time, and I would say even true today, it's pretty common to have the like my wife, you know what I'm saying? Or like the lady of the house is always blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. Exactly. Right. Like it's very common. Jaden: ⁓ the ol' Volontane, yeah. Danielle: And so she invented this character, Fang, her husband, that she would make fun of, kind of flipping that joke upside down. So everyone out here is making fun of their wives. I'm this chaotic housewife and I'm making fun of my husband. And it hits. It's really, really funny. She's taking off. I mean, people are loving her. She's on Ed Sullivan. She's on ⁓ all the like nighttime ⁓ and doing her stand and people are loving it. Jaden: Mmm. Danielle: Meanwhile, she's just looking insane and people are like, who is this woman? What is happening here? ⁓ Bob Hope called her a Warhol mobile of spare parts picked up along a freeway. Jaden: Mm. Mm-hmm. Danielle: I know. Yes. Yeah. Just so much. Just so much going on. Jaden: Wow, a Warhol like an Andy Warhol. ⁓ my gosh. Wow. Okay. Danielle: Jack Parr said she looked like someone you'd avoid at the supermarket. I know. I know. What I think is really great, though, is she's doing all this on purpose. It wasn't like they weren't making fun of her, right? She was making fun of everything. And they were laughing right along like they were falling into it's almost like she set a trap and they fell right into it. Like you don't know what to do with me. I love it. Except for laugh, right? And look at how well that worked out for her. Jaden: Ooh, ⁓ except for laugh. And yeah. Mm-hmm. Danielle: it's just, it's hilarious. Like we're still laughing about her. ⁓ In 2002, she retired from standup ⁓ due to her advanced and lack of what she calls lasting energy, ⁓ but she didn't leave industry. She's had appearances as late as 2007. Like she was in episodes of Family Guy, I believe as Lois's mom, ⁓ right? Jaden: Mmm. Mmm. ⁓ my gosh, yes, I love that. Danielle: And like she's done other stuff. So she's still, but she's been around. She didn't like just fall off. But did say, I can't do stand up anymore. I've just reached the point where I can't do it. But she's ⁓ kind of revered by female comedians and then just comedians in general. She paved the for a lady such as Joan Rivers. Jaden: Yeah. Danielle: Joan Rivers said she was the first one that put such rage and such anger in her comedy. She had the anger that is now in all of us. ⁓ And that's what made it so funny because she for all these women that were sitting home with five children and a husband that didn't work. Jaden: ⁓ yeah, okay, that's interesting. Yeah. Danielle: the sitting husband, like Mike Drop. Yeah, yeah. So she was really, really influential, really paved the way, really kind of flipped comedy on its head. I'd mentioned before, you know, she wasn't the first female comic ever. There were other women doing standup comedy, but she was the first to make it kind of respectable, make it. kind of in the prime time and go toe to toe with male counterparts. So she's really, really known as kind of that pioneer female comedian. And that's what I have on Phyllis. There's so much to say here. This could be a whole series, I feel like on its own, but it's she's hilarious. I think she's sassy in a way that you probably have to be to be a female comedian in that time period. And I love that her fame didn't come until she was like 37. Jaden: Mmm. Mmm. Danielle: You know what I mean? It's not like she grew up in this. It's not like, you know, I don't know. It's just. Jaden: There's hope for us yet. Danielle: There's hope for us yet and it's so fucking cool. Jaden: think that comment that you made about the rage is really interesting or well what Joan Rivers really said which is you know she's filled with this defiant nature it sounds like ⁓ shocking to one I highly identify with that like Danielle: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. You're right. Jaden: If you know me, you know that my go-to defense for basically anything is humor and laughing and making a joke out of something. Because if I don't, I'll go insane. And I'm assuming, based on what we're learning about Ms. Diller here, is that that is probably a similar thing. Her arc is Danielle: you I imagine. Yeah. you know, there's a saying that there's a ⁓ piece of truth in every joke, right? Like it stems from the truth. And I think when she's talking about like her husband, like I had to become a standup because I had to sit down husband, I think he was probably slacking in many ways. And like, you maybe can't say that to a person ⁓ in ⁓ the ⁓ 1940s, 1950s, but could about Jaden: shared. Mm-hmm. Danielle: in your stand up. And it's like that outlet for that rage so that she doesn't go crazy. And when I think about the like, the shift that she had to make of pursuing music, being in college, and then staying home to raise five kids. That's a huge shift. I would imagine that there's some rage in that too, you know, like, look, I gave up my life to do this. Jaden: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I, the outlet part of it is so important too, because ⁓ it's art. And, you I think like a lot of other mediums, this is such a powerful way for her to ⁓ express that without harm, I guess, know, ⁓ or ⁓ to the betterment of family, you know, obviously, I would imagine that her success helped her family immensely and Danielle: and it's an outlet for that rage. Mm-hmm. Yeah. for sure. Jaden: again. ⁓ I think, you know, ⁓ really identify with this ⁓ story because I really feel like humor to me is such ⁓ core of Danielle: Mm-hmm. Jaden: I'll tell an anecdote, when my dad passed away in December. I'll never forget this. Danielle: Mm-hmm. Jaden: And it was like a moment of moment of levity that I absolutely needed. But it was he was getting wheeled out of the memory care as bodies going through the like shared community area where all the other oldies are kind of sitting and watching TV. And I'm trailing behind. And it's obviously, you know, he's he's passed on. So he's covered up. ⁓ And so I'm walking through and one of the guys in the the center of the room looks over and he goes, ⁓ is there a body under there? Danielle: Mm-hmm. Jaden: I thought I was gonna just, I had to turn around. Danielle: ⁓ god. I laughed so hard I unplugged my headphone. Jaden: It was like, I was so happy that this guy said that. I like turned around and I busted up and I was like, dad would have loved that. So I feel like I think I need to learn more about Phyllis Diller because apparently I identify with her a lot more than I ever realized. Danielle: Yeah. ⁓ my god, I love that. Yeah Right? And yeah, I think humor ⁓ is ⁓ the like, humor and comedy are like healing ⁓ and unifying. And like some people would have taken that moment with your dad. and like made it bad, you know? ⁓ And that helps one. But to be able to see ⁓ the humor in and to think about like, he would have loved that shit. That's so ⁓ beautiful to me. Jaden: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would have loved that. Yeah. I mean, I even told my mom and she thought that was funny as well. It was just like, oh my god, dad would have thought that was really funny. all that to say, I appreciate self-deprecating sense of humor and also the ability to make a Danielle: You right? Right. Of course. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. Jaden: tough, sad, challenging, whatever situation feel funny because like I know for me personally, that's the only way I can get through most things. Yeah, and I'm wondering if that for her was like, that was a coping mechanism that turned into a career path, etc. Danielle: Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Right. I think so. Like, I would suspect that it probably was. And like, it was so popular because it resonated with so many people of like, yeah, I also hate being a homemaker or whatever the case may be. You know what I mean? And it's interesting too, to think about how to apply some of that mentality to like work or applying a sense of humor at work when sometimes you're expected to be like buttoned up, right? Or boring, ⁓ as some might say. ⁓ Because I think, you know, we about this a lot, but like the work, we're not curing cancer, most of us. And I think having ⁓ like using humor as that Jaden: totally serious all the time. Mm-hmm. Danielle: coping mechanism or healing mechanism I think helps to see things as not that serious. Jaden: As you were learning more about her, was there anything that stuck out to you particularly that you were like, ⁓ I gotta watch that, like a character, like a bit from her that you were like, ⁓ my God, this is the one. Danielle: I saw, I can't remember what clip it was. She was on like the tonight show or something like that. Her dress was wild. It has, I it had like all these feathers on it or something. ⁓ And she comes up, she's like, do you like my new dress? Jaden: Hahaha Mmmmm Danielle: It covers up all of this. like, it was just really funny. Just the way that she like presents this caricature is so amusing to me. So I want to see more of those kinds of ⁓ But really just like, man, just looking at her is ⁓ joyful. ⁓ Jaden: Yes, ⁓ my gosh, I love that Danielle: I know. I think that's her whole thing. And it made me think a little bit about like, we work from home now, but prior to that, there's a lot that goes into ⁓ one's outfit or there can be a lot. There doesn't have to be, but ⁓ a lot times there is for me. Like I love getting dolled up. I love dresses. I love like bright colors and I consider myself a dopamine dresser. ⁓ Jaden: Yes. Mm-hmm. Danielle: And some of Phyllis's things made me think of that as well. Like, you know, how am I presenting myself to the world? Not so much like I want to present a caricature, but like the self-expression of clothes and how that shows up in the workplace. And it was just, I don't know, there's probably not like a direct connection, but as I was reading about her kind of using her style and her costumes to amp up this caricature, it made me think of, know, Jaden: Mm-hmm. Danielle: Like that caftan that I bought in Portland, these outfits. And I'm like, this is amazing. And also, am I going to wear it to work? And somebody is going to be like, what is happening? Jaden: ⁓ yeah! Mmm. like fully embracing ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ confidence, and ⁓ it into ⁓ like a product, ⁓ A brand. ⁓ Danielle: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. Kind of, yeah. And like, if that's my brand, I am here for it. You know? If it's like, wow, she wears loud clothes. Absolutely, I do. Yeah. Yeah. From the neck up, right? Yeah. Jaden: I love it. Yeah. On Zoom from the neck up. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ Should we launch ourselves into the ruining the workplace tip of the week? Danielle: Yes, let's do it. What do you have for us? Jaden: Well, I want to keep the theme of using humor, ⁓ particularly in the workplace. So I'm going to say this week, whatever week you're listening to this, ⁓ try it out. it's, you know, I err on the side of lightening the mood, deflate nonsense, and just, you know, maybe when all else fails, fake a bad Zoom connection and disappear. Danielle: Mmm. Yeah. Jaden: You Danielle: I'm going through a tunnel. Jaden: I can't hear you. Yeah. So that's my tip of the week. Just it's not that serious. OK. Danielle: Again, not that serious. Jaden: channel your inner Phyllis Diller Yeah, so there you go. That's my tip this week. ⁓ And what a great episode. was lovely. ⁓ Until next time, bye. Danielle: Yes. Yes. Amazing. Thank you. What a good tip. Thank you. See you next time. Bye.