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MKZINE: Digital World Simulations | Jason Stone · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: He's done extensive research and into artificial intelligence and a
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Speaker 1: remote electronic mind control. He's currently writing a book titled
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Speaker 1: release this year twenty twenty five in the fall. Jason Stone,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show and my friend. How's it going.
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Speaker 2: It's going well, writer, Thanks for having me on. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting topic. Can I kind of
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Speaker 1: dive into this in my documentary a little bit with
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Speaker 1: the Manchurian Canada stuff and mind control and mk Ultra,
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Speaker 1: because that seems to be what mk Ultra really was about.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a few different things, but I
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Speaker 1: believe that a large majority of it was to create assassins.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think under the
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Speaker 2: project mk Ultra, there was like about one hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty nine subprojects. So they were looking at controlling people,
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Speaker 2: influencing their behavior from using a variety of methods, right
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Speaker 2: and so like, whether from drugs, hypnosis, psychic driving, other methods.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is a big part of it, and
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Speaker 2: I think today we see that continued. I look at
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Speaker 2: mk Ultra as something that's ongoing, not necessarily in the
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Speaker 2: form that it originally started, but these things have a
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Speaker 2: tendency to be stopped officially and then continue on in
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Speaker 2: other forms. So whether it's like subcontracted out or a
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Speaker 2: different group picks it up to me, I look at.
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Speaker 3: The targeted individual situation or TIS as a continuation of that.
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Speaker 3: MK Ultra laid the groundword tested the method, and then
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Speaker 3: it was applied en mass and now it's actually happening
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Speaker 3: wirelessly remotely. And they were researching this even back into
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Speaker 3: like the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.
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Speaker 2: John C.
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Speaker 3: Lilly was interested in looking and creating like push button
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Speaker 3: assassins to remote control assassins, and so if you look
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Speaker 3: into his work you can see that that.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's actually a video that I'm going to show
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Speaker 1: here in just a little bit which is from a
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Speaker 1: gentleman named Woody Noris that is doing a TED talk
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Speaker 1: and he's essentially talking about this technology and how it works,
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Speaker 1: and he's one of the creators and the developers of
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Speaker 1: this technology. Now, when it comes to you know, supposed
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Speaker 1: targeted individuals, and this question might piss you off, but
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Speaker 1: I have to ask it because it seems like nobody
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Speaker 1: can ever really answer my question. And that is is why,
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Speaker 1: like you just mentioned, like MK alter and stuff. But
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Speaker 1: there's been several people that have claimed to be targeted
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Speaker 1: individuals and electronically harassed. I mean it goes back way
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Speaker 1: way further. It goes into like Leonard Keel with the
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Speaker 1: Kodak camera, where they gave him like he got brain
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Speaker 1: surgery and then they implanted a chip into his head
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Speaker 1: that made him basically go crazy and he ended up
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Speaker 1: in a psych ward. And then that's where this tenfoil
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Speaker 1: hat thing came from, because he would wrap his head
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Speaker 1: in tenfoil, which would supposedly block the frequencies to be
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Speaker 1: able to get into his mind. And then you get
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Speaker 1: into more modern things like James Wolbert. Are you familiar
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Speaker 1: with James Wolberts, James what's the last name again? Wolbert
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Speaker 1: w a LB E RT.
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Speaker 2: Where he was familiar with him.
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Speaker 1: So he had a lawsuit. So he was a part
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Speaker 1: of this company and he was claiming that they were
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Speaker 1: electronically harassing him and that they had put an implant
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Speaker 1: in his head. And then he actually sued and he
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Speaker 1: won the lawsuit and that actually changed a lot of
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Speaker 1: brain implantations in a lot of states in the United States.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like this technology doesn't exist and that
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Speaker 1: there aren't stories and there aren't verifiable stories. But when
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Speaker 1: you look at like how many people cling to be uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, targeted individuals, do you think that all of
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Speaker 1: them are legitimately targeted individuals? Because there's so many different
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Speaker 1: mental illnesses. There's you know, schizophrenia, there's paranoia, and also
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Speaker 1: drugs are a main driving factor that can literally turn
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Speaker 1: make people into turn people into like going into a
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Speaker 1: psychosis really quickly. And I don't think that the drugs
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Speaker 1: help any type of situation. You know, they might even
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Speaker 1: like induce the what they're hearing, right, and that goes
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Speaker 1: into you know, Andridia Pooh Harridge, which was putting these
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Speaker 1: like dental implants into people. They were you know, they
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Speaker 1: were having them all well, go and go get your
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Speaker 1: cavity filled or get root canal or whatever. And then
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Speaker 1: they were giving people like these essentially like a microchip
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Speaker 1: dental implant into their head. And then that's what was
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Speaker 1: creating like what people were hearing. Lucier Ball at the
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Speaker 1: top of her where she literally got information from a
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Speaker 1: Japanese insurgency and then contacted the government and then they
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Speaker 1: stopped the insurgency because her tooth cavity was picking up
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Speaker 1: the signal from the radio frequencies that they were hearing.
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Speaker 1: So it seems like that it's done on purpose, like
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Speaker 1: they're trying to induce this type of thing on a
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Speaker 1: lot of the population. And then when you look at
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Speaker 1: how many people are on pharmaceutical drugs, dude, it is
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Speaker 1: in an insane number of people. In the United States alone,
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Speaker 1: over half the population is on some form of pharmaceutical drug.
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Speaker 1: And then when you look at like Eli Lilly and
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Speaker 1: Company me and Eli Lellying Company was the first manufacturer
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Speaker 1: for the CIA in the United States for LSD. They
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Speaker 1: were also the first manufacturer of prozac, right, and then
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Speaker 1: they're pushing out all these anti psychotic medications and antidepressant medications,
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Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, what's your thoughts on all that?
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Speaker 2: Well, you brought up several good points.
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Speaker 3: So just going back to MK Ultra, so that one
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Speaker 3: of the fundamental projects that they had was testing out
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Speaker 3: these different techniques of controlled testing out drugs on different
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Speaker 3: people who were unwitting, who had no idea that this
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Speaker 3: was happening to them. Right. This continued on a project
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Speaker 3: in the early nineteen eighties, it's called a project Sleeping Beauty,
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Speaker 3: tested that same exact idea. It was using remote electronic
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Speaker 3: brain stimulation to see if they could.
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Speaker 2: Influence the behavior unwitting targets. And so.
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Speaker 3: In MK ultra when they were using drugs, it was
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Speaker 3: a way to have a starting point, so to take
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Speaker 3: one person's a person's personality and to shift it or
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Speaker 3: change it after the use of drugs.
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Speaker 2: Right, So all these.
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Speaker 3: Pharmaceuticals, using all these pharmaceuticals, it provides a plausible or
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Speaker 3: reasonable point to overlay a new personality, to interfere with
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Speaker 3: the previous state of the being, and to create a
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Speaker 3: new personality.
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Speaker 2: Let's just say if that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: And then as to the reason why, it's pretty simple
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Speaker 3: medical research and military research. You have this weapon, you
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Speaker 3: have this technology, you want to test it out, test
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Speaker 3: it out on a wide variety of people.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't come up with this idea. This is
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Speaker 2: Robert Duncan.
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Speaker 3: He's the author of the Matrix Deciphered Project, Soul Catcher.
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Speaker 3: He's one of the individuals who worked on these projects
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Speaker 3: at a very high level, one of the Alphabet agencies,
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Speaker 3: actually a few of them, so you would anyhow, his
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Speaker 3: idea is that this is basically, in one way or another,
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Speaker 3: it's just it's a research project testing out the use
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Speaker 3: of this technology, seeing how it works, improving it and
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Speaker 3: so on. And the way that you can tell perhaps
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Speaker 3: that this is working is you see these patterns, right,
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Speaker 3: You see these patterns within people where they're having some
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Speaker 3: sort of what we call mental illness, which can be.
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Speaker 2: Created remotely.
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Speaker 3: You can overlay the signals of a person's bring using
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Speaker 3: another person's We call it brain patterns or brain frequency.
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Speaker 4: That makes sense, I'm muted.
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Speaker 1: Sorry? What about what about the people that have been
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Speaker 1: experiencing this before the technology had ever happened. I mean,
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Speaker 1: schizophrenia goes back decades and decades and decades. I mean
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Speaker 1: people have been hearing voices in their heads for a
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Speaker 1: really long time.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about schizophrenia if you go back and
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Speaker 3: you look at the way it's defined. Originally in the
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Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds, the average person that was diagnosed with
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Speaker 3: schizophrenia was usually timid, quiet, white women who were basically
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Speaker 3: turned over to the medical system by their husbands because
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Speaker 3: they either, you know, weren't putting out or weren't cooperating,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe they wanted some independence or something along
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Speaker 3: those lines. Shift to the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties,
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Speaker 3: the average person that was being diagnosed with schizophrenia was
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Speaker 3: usually young, black and interested.
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Speaker 2: In the civil rights movement.
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Speaker 3: And this is documented outside of the conspiracy theory world.
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Speaker 2: This is in the academic circles.
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Speaker 3: This is known, I mean, not very well known, you
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Speaker 3: can look it up, but there's like, how does a
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Speaker 3: mental illness go from being mostly timid white women who
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Speaker 3: are quiet to being like what they considered anti social, angry, violent.
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Speaker 2: And so on. And there was nothing attached to.
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Speaker 3: Concerning like hearing voices or anything like that. That wasn't
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Speaker 3: even in the original DSM. It was attached later on,
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Speaker 3: I think the second DSM. The hearing voices thing was
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Speaker 3: attached to alcoholics, and it was more of like a
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Speaker 3: narrative of like an alcoholic feeling like out are depressed
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Speaker 3: and having sort of like a depressed inner monologue. So
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Speaker 3: in as far as the ability to transmit hearing voices,
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Speaker 3: that's pretty well documented too. And I mean there are
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Speaker 3: people in the government that have come out and said, yes,
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Speaker 3: this technology exists, Yes, the Havana syndrome is reel. They
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Speaker 3: testified in Congress and they basically said, yeah, we understand
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Speaker 3: how this technology works. Basically, it's designed to make someone
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Speaker 3: feel like they're going crazy, to make them feel like
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Speaker 3: they're losing touch with reality. So mostly it's a lack
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Speaker 3: of imagination and knowledge on the part of the public
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Speaker 3: who just aren't interested in following up and verifying any
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Speaker 3: of the information that's out there.
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Speaker 1: Well, also, the CIA came out and said that there
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Speaker 1: was nothing to the Havana syndrome stule. There's a huge
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Speaker 1: article on it, but I mean, we can't trust anything
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Speaker 1: that they say. They just came out and said that
13:55
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself and that there was nothing
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Speaker 1: to that, and you didn't have a client, So knock
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Speaker 1: and forth thing like they It's like verified one minute
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Speaker 1: and then the next minute nothing to it.
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Speaker 3: That's the that's the method, right, It's a way to
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Speaker 3: announce and deny it the same situation. So it's sort
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Speaker 3: of like a sy o type thing, right, where you
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Speaker 3: provide a little bit of information, you say yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's totally happening, and then someone off to the side says, no,
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Speaker 3: no way, that's not happening. So there's no way to
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Speaker 3: form like a concrete basis, especially if you don't follow
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Speaker 3: it up on your own and look into it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm showing the article here several times on the show.
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Speaker 1: Would I already had it up if I hey Google? Sometimes? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it's like a flip flopping back and forth thing
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Speaker 1: like all the time with these people.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean perfect Havana.
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Speaker 1: Syndrome isn't caused by electronic Oh my god, Now I
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Speaker 1: gotta sign into this and then the articles you gotta
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Speaker 1: sign up for. Okay, there's no there's no There is
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Speaker 1: so much anger Havana syndrome victims frustrated CIA isn't blaming
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Speaker 1: Russia for the symptoms. I don't know where it is,
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Speaker 1: but they basically came out and said that they found
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Speaker 1: no evidence of the Havana syndrome being connected to electronic
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Speaker 1: harassment or something. This was like three years ago or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Article there's a there's no reason for them to come
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Speaker 3: out and say, yeah, this is actually happening, because then
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Speaker 3: they'd have to admit, yeah, we can do this too, basically, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, if there's somebody else out in the world
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Speaker 3: that can do this, then obviously it's going to be
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Speaker 3: available at home. The documentation is out there, it's known
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Speaker 3: microwave hearing. All of that that was down back in
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Speaker 3: the sixties, but even starting World War Two, nineteen twenties
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Speaker 3: and the Soviet Union, they were looking into this as well.
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Speaker 2: So it's been developing for a while. Well.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that I'm really curious about, Jason, is
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Speaker 1: there has to be some kind of backdoor into this thing,
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Speaker 1: like in order to make you susceptible to it, because
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Speaker 1: I one believe that if you have a rational clear mind,
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Speaker 1: like it couldn't possibly affect you. Because if you have
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Speaker 1: a rational clear mind, then you're going to know that
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Speaker 1: this is something that's coming from outside of you, like,
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Speaker 1: this is something that's like happening to you. Right, But
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Speaker 1: if you don't, if you're under the influence of something,
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Speaker 1: or if you have trauma, or if you have I
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Speaker 1: think that they have to have a back door into
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Speaker 1: your mind, right in that back doors through drugs, through trauma.
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Speaker 1: And that's why we see this big, these big types
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Speaker 1: of traumatizing events. Right we had twenty twenty, we had
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven JFK assassination. It goes on and on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. Right, we get these mass, huge
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Speaker 1: nationwide traumatizing events, and then that gives them this back
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Speaker 1: door into people's minds, and then also through the media
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Speaker 1: and through the amount of drugs alyssa drug use or
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Speaker 1: scription drug use that gives them the ability to intercept
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Speaker 1: into people's minds. And I think that that would be
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Speaker 1: the only way that it could work, because if you
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Speaker 1: weren't under the influence of some sort of drug, if
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Speaker 1: you weren't mass traumatized or even traumatized on like an
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Speaker 1: individual level, like something that happened to you personally when
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Speaker 1: you were growing up or something like that, because that's
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Speaker 1: the common factor with a lot of the people that
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Speaker 1: have been through a MK ultra style program is that
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Speaker 1: they were traumatized as a very young kid. So they
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Speaker 1: were taken into the program, they were they volunteered for
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Speaker 1: the program, or it was done, or they were sold
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Speaker 1: into the program, right, and a lot of them I've
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Speaker 1: had prior like sexual abuse as a as a child,
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Speaker 1: so that was like priming them and then getting them
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Speaker 1: ready for what the government was ultimately going to do
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Speaker 1: to them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Would just I guess I would mention that, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: the right track. Any sort of like a major shift
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Speaker 3: in a person's like a personal life, like trauma or
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Speaker 3: substance use or anything along those lines provides in or
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Speaker 3: an angle to work this system, right, because it provides
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Speaker 3: an opportunity for a change to occur, changing the way
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Speaker 3: a person's thinking.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: But I'll just put this idea out there. What if
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Speaker 3: it were possible to observe the functioning of a person's
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Speaker 3: brain and mind and able to there was a way
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Speaker 3: to record that information from a distance. And then so
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Speaker 3: let's say you just profiled someone for like years or
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Speaker 3: something along those lines, like for years and years, you
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Speaker 3: had their pattern down, you know how they did things,
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Speaker 3: you know how they functioned in their life, if you
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Speaker 3: know how their brain functioned in different situations. For that
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Speaker 3: information and you have basically a profile of that person
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Speaker 3: at least the functioning of their brain and nervous system,
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Speaker 3: you can make slight or small alterations to that data
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Speaker 3: using AI by comparing it to other individuals patterns. Right,
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Speaker 3: So basically you could control a person from a distance
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Speaker 3: if you had the ability to collect that data, inspect
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Speaker 3: it and understand it, and then retransmit it. That does
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Speaker 3: that make sense?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does make sense. But again, like I don't
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't understand how that would work if like you
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Speaker 1: had like a rational mind about you, Like, if something
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Speaker 1: comes into my head that I'm not familiar with, then
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Speaker 1: I am immediately going to be like, no, that's like
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Speaker 1: not me, right, that's not what that's not my thoughts,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it's not going to
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Speaker 1: affect me because I know the way that I think,
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Speaker 1: and I'm very like cognizant of my own free will. Right.
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Speaker 1: They would literally have to break you down into like
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Speaker 1: small little They would have to fracture your mind to
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Speaker 1: a point that you would wouldn't even be able to
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Speaker 1: realize who you even are. And that's another thing that
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's another problem with the mk Ultra programs
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Speaker 1: is that a lot of people through the MK Ultra
21:39
Speaker 1: programs would go catatonic because they wouldn't be able to
21:45
Speaker 1: withstand the amount of trauma that they endured in order
21:52
Speaker 1: for them to split their psyche into many compartmentalized parts,
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Speaker 1: and they weren't able to keep it all together, they
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Speaker 1: weren't able to rationalize certain things, and they would just
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Speaker 1: you know, become a zombie essentially.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, So for the more extreme cases, if
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Speaker 3: like let's say, like a TI is to become like
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Speaker 3: a Manchurian candidate or a sleeper agent or something along
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Speaker 3: those lines.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there would be a certain amount of like breakdown.
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Speaker 3: But I mean there's also a number of people who
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Speaker 3: are I don't know, just sort of like criminally minded
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Speaker 3: or into just malicious activities. That sort of thing is
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Speaker 3: just more of like not necessarily like they're looking to
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Speaker 3: be a criminal or something like that, but they just
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Speaker 3: do you know, antisocial or violent activity that sort of thing. Right,
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Speaker 3: This technology isn't used just to make Venturian candidates. Now,
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Speaker 3: it's used so just to influence individuals individually and as
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Speaker 3: a collective.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: The Sentient World Simulation is a program that ties into this.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if the Sentient World Simulation is directly
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Speaker 3: tied to this TI thing or not, but I do
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Speaker 3: know that what it represents in what it can do,
23:21
Speaker 3: is very useful in that it replicates individuals in a
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Speaker 3: digital environment using collected data which is accessible and then
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Speaker 3: also data from data brokers, and they can create profiles
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Speaker 3: and then create certain events in a digital environment. And
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Speaker 3: I don't see why anyone with any sort of power
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Speaker 3: the capability who would have access to such technology wouldn't
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Speaker 3: use it to control people or to understand and predict
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Speaker 3: and control the future.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess my only thing would be is like,
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Speaker 1: why would you need to do that? Right? You don't
24:04
Speaker 1: really need to put people like control people to do crime. Right.
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Speaker 1: You just throw them in an environment where crime is
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Speaker 1: the only way that they can make a living, and
24:19
Speaker 1: then you have a lot of crime. Right. You just
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Speaker 1: throw them into the to the hood, and then they
24:26
Speaker 1: have no other choice but to do breaking and enterings
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Speaker 1: and sell drugs and do crime. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm having a hard time understanding what would
24:39
Speaker 1: be the purpose of why would you need to do
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Speaker 1: that when the circumstances and the environment that people are
24:45
Speaker 1: already in already facilitates that type of activity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess it would just be similar
24:54
Speaker 3: to the question why would you need to do a
24:56
Speaker 3: program like mk ltrap to me or to you? It's
24:59
Speaker 3: like why which you need to control individuals? I mean,
25:02
Speaker 3: I don't have a good reason to do that. I
25:04
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be a part of that. But there
25:06
Speaker 3: are people who were concerned with it and did participate
25:09
Speaker 3: in it, and did set up programs like that, and
25:12
Speaker 3: it's continued on, I mean they I have no idea
25:16
Speaker 3: why they different groups were interested in learning how to
25:21
Speaker 3: remotely influence individuals.
25:23
Speaker 2: But it's out there.
25:24
Speaker 3: The information's out there, and I think some individuals, some
25:28
Speaker 3: groups of people consider themselves as sort of like the
25:31
Speaker 3: architects of the universe or the architects of society, and
25:36
Speaker 3: they want to control the trajectory of society. They want
25:39
Speaker 3: to maintain their power, and so they'll go about by
25:44
Speaker 3: any means to make that happen. These are things that necessarily,
25:48
Speaker 3: perhaps I don't think about, or other people don't think about.
25:51
Speaker 3: They're definitely people who are very concerned with that. They
25:54
Speaker 3: put in a lot of work, and it's i would say,
25:56
Speaker 3: like centuries long project in that respect. Necessarily the technology
26:01
Speaker 3: as it is existing today, but that general idea of
26:05
Speaker 3: being able to control society, and I mean it's basically
26:09
Speaker 3: it's a reason. Why is there Why were there kings
26:11
Speaker 3: and queens? Why are there presidents? You know, they're sort
26:14
Speaker 3: of controlling the way society works, and there are a
26:18
Speaker 3: few different ways to control it.
26:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that too a certain extent, like, yeah,
26:30
Speaker 1: why why do we need a president? Why do we
26:33
Speaker 1: need all these laws and all these rules. I mean,
26:38
Speaker 1: when you think about it, though, it's like, well, could
26:40
Speaker 1: we operate without all of this stuff? Like would we
26:43
Speaker 1: be okay if it was a I mean, and some
26:46
Speaker 1: people would say, yeah, we would be all right, but
26:50
Speaker 1: who knows? I mean, dude, Like, we couldn't even expect
26:55
Speaker 1: people to be civil when we didn't have arrows on
26:59
Speaker 1: the ground in the grocery store telling us where to go.
27:03
Speaker 1: Like that shows a little bit about our society. I mean,
27:06
Speaker 1: people want to be led. That's another problem with our
27:10
Speaker 1: society in general. People want to be told what to
27:14
Speaker 1: do if they if they're not told what to do,
27:18
Speaker 1: then they're lost. I Mean. The perfect example of this
27:22
Speaker 1: is like I went into a Windy's the other day
27:25
Speaker 1: and I wanted a Frosty. I just wanted a frosty,
27:29
Speaker 1: A frosty ninety nine cent. Well, it's probably more now.
27:34
Speaker 1: I haven't got a Frosty in a really long time.
27:36
Speaker 1: But I was at a gas station there was a
27:38
Speaker 1: Windy's attached to it. Walked over to the Windys and
27:43
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, can I get a Frosty? He said, Oh,
27:48
Speaker 1: I can't ring up a frosty right now because I'm
27:53
Speaker 1: only doing like to go orders, only on door dash
27:56
Speaker 1: and only on Uber Eats. I said, well, I have
28:00
Speaker 1: the cash right here. How much is it? They said, oh,
28:04
Speaker 1: it's a I forget what he said it was. But
28:06
Speaker 1: he couldn't give it to me, and he was like,
28:09
Speaker 1: I'm the only one working back here. And I was like, okay, well,
28:15
Speaker 1: you could have taken my dollar whatever and then figured
28:18
Speaker 1: it out later and gave me the frosty, or you
28:23
Speaker 1: just could have given me the frosty for free, right hey,
28:28
Speaker 1: you could have done me a solid. All I wanted
28:30
Speaker 1: was one frosty. Okay, late at night, you could have
28:34
Speaker 1: just given me a frosty. Bro, What what is that
28:37
Speaker 1: going to do? But people are so in p seed
28:41
Speaker 1: out that they don't even want to break the rules
28:45
Speaker 1: for a job that they hate and that they don't
28:48
Speaker 1: even want to be doing, you know. And I'm like,
28:53
Speaker 1: that's the complete opposite of any job that I've ever had.
28:57
Speaker 1: Anytime that I was growing up, there there were people
29:00
Speaker 1: that would like if when I was a kid, I
29:03
Speaker 1: was a skater, Like I would, you know, skate around
29:05
Speaker 1: town all the time on my skateboard and stuff, and
29:07
Speaker 1: I would go into a Wendy's, and there was a
29:09
Speaker 1: girl that really liked all the skater people and she
29:11
Speaker 1: would just give us free meals all the time. I'm like, yeah,
29:17
Speaker 1: that's cool, Like that's that's great. Like people, they don't
29:20
Speaker 1: want to push the status quo of anything. They don't
29:25
Speaker 1: want to break the rules. They have completely been subservient
29:33
Speaker 1: to the man, even in a job that doesn't even matter,
29:38
Speaker 1: a job that is so low on the totem pole,
29:43
Speaker 1: working at Windy's, Like you can't give someone a frosty
29:48
Speaker 1: or take the money and then figure it out later.
29:55
Speaker 1: You know, we've gotten so docile and our thinking, which
30:00
Speaker 1: I believe is a part of this program as well. Right,
30:05
Speaker 1: they don't want people that are thinkers. They don't want
30:08
Speaker 1: people that are thinking outside of the box that will
30:11
Speaker 1: make their own decisions. They want people following a guideline
30:18
Speaker 1: of beliefs and a guideline of rules. And whenever they
30:23
Speaker 1: step out of line, then like they think that they're
30:26
Speaker 1: going to get in trouble. Bro, you're not going to
30:28
Speaker 1: get fired for giving me a frosty, Dude, more than
30:32
Speaker 1: likely they don't even know, dude, Like it gets under
30:36
Speaker 1: this like surveillance state type scenario that they're kind of
30:41
Speaker 1: like prepping us for. Right. They want us to believe
30:43
Speaker 1: that we are constantly being watched all the time twenty
30:46
Speaker 1: four to seven. There's cameras everywhere, which there is. I mean,
30:49
Speaker 1: our phone is listening to every single thing that we say.
30:51
Speaker 1: How many times have you been talking about something, Jason
30:54
Speaker 1: and then some ad pops up on your phone? I
30:57
Speaker 1: mean it's listening to everything you say. Every single conversation
31:02
Speaker 1: you've ever had is being recorded and stored somewhere in
31:05
Speaker 1: some kind of database. All your text messages, all of
31:09
Speaker 1: your stuff on every social media platform is all being
31:12
Speaker 1: stored somewhere, which I think is to create some sort
31:15
Speaker 1: of digital avatar of a some sort of digital replica
31:21
Speaker 1: of us for something in the future. Do you think
31:24
Speaker 1: that that's going on?
31:29
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
31:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean basic computers in the Internet were primarily
31:35
Speaker 3: used through the military, and the idea of creating a
31:39
Speaker 3: simulation of reality started at least back in the Vietnam War.
31:44
Speaker 3: They had this thing called the McNamara Line, which was
31:47
Speaker 3: a defensive line separating the north of Vietnam from the
31:52
Speaker 3: South of Vietnam. They used a wide variety of sensors
31:56
Speaker 3: to detect motion, heat, sent using a chemical sensor, pressure sound,
32:05
Speaker 3: all of those things, and they collected all that information.
32:08
Speaker 3: They had airplanes flying in the sky twenty four to
32:12
Speaker 3: seven as a relay, So these sensors would transmit to
32:15
Speaker 3: airplanes in the sky, and then from the airplanes they
32:18
Speaker 3: would transmit to a like basically center where they would
32:26
Speaker 3: collect all that information in Thailand, and they would use
32:30
Speaker 3: computers to create a strategy based on the information that
32:34
Speaker 3: was on the ground in real time, and it would
32:37
Speaker 3: either set up an automatic response or provide options to
32:42
Speaker 3: a person who was at the console as far as hey,
32:45
Speaker 3: these are the different things that could be done right now.
32:48
Speaker 3: And so they would could set up like a strike
32:51
Speaker 3: using a gunship and they would automatically fly out. They'd
32:55
Speaker 3: have the location keyed in and they would just you know,
33:00
Speaker 3: have at it, destroy it, destroy that area. The problem though,
33:04
Speaker 3: that they've kind of figured out, was that they couldn't
33:07
Speaker 3: tell the difference between a gun and a shovel, right,
33:13
Speaker 3: So if you've got a group of farmers walking around
33:15
Speaker 3: with a shovel, or you've got a troop of soldiers
33:18
Speaker 3: with rifles, the system.
33:20
Speaker 2: Couldn't figure that out.
33:22
Speaker 3: Well, that's been improved and it's continued on that technology
33:26
Speaker 3: was developed. It was sent to a really specific group,
33:30
Speaker 3: a big time group directly connected to an alphabet agency.
33:34
Speaker 3: I don't like to use names, but if you go,
33:37
Speaker 3: if anyone goes and looks into it, look at the
33:40
Speaker 3: mcnamarline and Igloo White and you can follow up on it.
33:45
Speaker 2: This is also in the book The.
33:47
Speaker 3: Pentagon's Brain by it Annie Frank I think is her
33:54
Speaker 3: last name. So she's done a number of books. Another
34:00
Speaker 3: one was Phenomena and so any Jacobson, sorry, any Jacobson.
34:06
Speaker 2: So she's written a number of books. She's a great writer.
34:10
Speaker 3: And so that's where I found out about that, the
34:16
Speaker 3: ability to sense information. And I was just looking at
34:19
Speaker 3: another article from the WEF and they're looking to have autonomous,
34:25
Speaker 3: continuous sensing of the environments in the city and of
34:29
Speaker 3: human beings. So they would set up sensors so that
34:32
Speaker 3: basically you and I and everyone else would become just
34:37
Speaker 3: a collection point, so that they would be able to
34:40
Speaker 3: use our bodies as a sensor to detect what's happening
34:42
Speaker 3: within us and around us, and the detect what's happening
34:46
Speaker 3: within cities. And then they would use something that they're
34:49
Speaker 3: calling multi modal algorithms or using a variety of data
34:57
Speaker 3: inputs and using that to create a big pick sure
35:00
Speaker 3: of what's happening within the world and within the communities.
35:06
Speaker 3: This is just over whatever was happening with the WEF
35:10
Speaker 3: this summer when they were meeting.
35:15
Speaker 1: So what do you think is the ultimate end goal here?
35:19
Speaker 1: I mean, how long could that type of society last?
35:26
Speaker 1: Where we're in these fifteen minute cities, it's all smart cities,
35:31
Speaker 1: it's all surveillance based, it's all technology driven, everything's done
35:38
Speaker 1: by AI. Like, how sustainable is that? And how long
35:44
Speaker 1: do you think that it could go on for before
35:49
Speaker 1: people are like I'm done with it?
35:54
Speaker 4: You know?
35:54
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Divergent. Have you seen the movie
35:57
Speaker 1: Divergent about Yeah, Like, I don't understand how long that
36:02
Speaker 1: could possibly last. I mean, and I understand that that's
36:05
Speaker 1: like the the sort of like the end goal of
36:10
Speaker 1: what these corporations and the government and some people at
36:15
Speaker 1: the top want to happen, But I don't really understand
36:20
Speaker 1: how they think that that's going to last forever. The
36:25
Speaker 1: only way that they can last forever is that if
36:29
Speaker 1: we all are just cyborgs, like legitimately augmented with robotics,
36:37
Speaker 1: and at that point there's no real biological life. And
36:45
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what, Yeah, it would necessarily be,
36:50
Speaker 1: because then it's like, well, who's then repairing the robots? Right,
36:56
Speaker 1: there's the robots just repairing other robots. Have you seen
36:59
Speaker 1: that movie what it's called Extinction? The movie Extinction on
37:07
Speaker 1: Netflix where there's like an alien invasion. The aliens come
37:13
Speaker 1: down and then they start like killing people and stuff.
37:16
Speaker 1: But then at the end of the movie you realize
37:18
Speaker 1: that the aliens aren't really aliens. The aliens are humans
37:22
Speaker 1: and the people that they're killing are AI robots.
37:28
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, yeah, I think I remember that.
37:30
Speaker 3: I don't remember all the details of it, but it
37:32
Speaker 3: sounds absolutely familiar. That's sort of the way I think
37:36
Speaker 3: about the whole most of the UFO UAP phenomena. I
37:41
Speaker 3: substitute out the word alien and I added whatever three
37:46
Speaker 3: letters for an alphabet agency that seems to fit the most,
37:50
Speaker 3: because that makes the most sense, and that's the game plan.
37:54
Speaker 3: That's part of the game plan. So I don't know,
37:57
Speaker 3: maybe I have it wrong. I could have it wrong.
37:59
Speaker 3: I might not have all the details, but I think
38:02
Speaker 3: that's reasonable to at least consider that possibility.
38:06
Speaker 1: Maybe, Well, when you look at like aliens and like
38:11
Speaker 1: UFOs and like the big term that's going around right now,
38:14
Speaker 1: non human intelligence. I mean, non human intelligence is what
38:18
Speaker 1: AI is. AI is non human intelligence. So are these
38:25
Speaker 1: things just unmanned drones, like that's what it seems like,
38:29
Speaker 1: or are they military drones? Or what's to deal with it?
38:33
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a coincidence that the non human
38:36
Speaker 1: intelligence term becomes popular right around this time of the
38:39
Speaker 1: rise of artificial intelligence and AI. You know, everyone's now
38:46
Speaker 1: you know, using AI for all sorts of things. You know,
38:50
Speaker 1: it's just a coincidence that now non human intelligence is
38:58
Speaker 1: a really fashionable term that then coincides with AI.
39:07
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it lines up.
39:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like, what are these things really? I mean,
39:15
Speaker 1: are they actually just then? I mean, I believe that
39:20
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just the military and the government.
39:24
Speaker 1: Large percentage of it is just military craft. I don't
39:29
Speaker 1: know if you've seen that article that came out on
39:31
Speaker 1: the New York Post that talked about how the Air
39:34
Speaker 1: Force recruits were getting shown fake documents in fake photos
39:43
Speaker 1: of UFOs as like an initiation ritual, and then they
39:47
Speaker 1: were never told that the documents were fake and the
39:49
Speaker 1: photos were fake. So they went through their entire lives
39:53
Speaker 1: and their entire service thinking that they were exposed to
39:56
Speaker 1: some top secret document and top secret photos. Yeah, it's
40:05
Speaker 1: in quanity, the mind games that they play, not only
40:09
Speaker 1: with the UFOs and the alien narrative and uphology, but
40:13
Speaker 1: just with everything.
40:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would have to add that, like, I
40:21
Speaker 3: certainly am open to the possibility that such a thing
40:26
Speaker 3: does exist outside of the realm of our current understanding.
40:30
Speaker 3: I also just know that all these things can be replicated.
40:35
Speaker 3: The work has been put into replicating these basic like
40:40
Speaker 3: natural phenomena, you know, And so there's a whole sort
40:46
Speaker 3: of like covert subversive activity that's set up to kind
40:53
Speaker 3: of make everybody question what is real and what is
40:56
Speaker 3: not real. I do believe that there could be such
41:01
Speaker 3: a thing as alien entities. I don't think that's happening
41:07
Speaker 3: quite the way that most people believe. Like, I don't
41:09
Speaker 3: think they've come here to help us out or whatever
41:12
Speaker 3: whatever the narrative that's going on right now, that's not it.
41:16
Speaker 3: But I think possibly maybe something I don't know, I
41:19
Speaker 3: really don't know.
41:20
Speaker 2: I'm open to it, though, just because.
41:24
Speaker 3: When you close yourself off from thinking about something in
41:27
Speaker 3: one way, then you're never going to be able to
41:29
Speaker 3: see it, you know.
41:30
Speaker 2: And so we're not always right.
41:31
Speaker 3: I'm not always right, So I just say maybe it
41:35
Speaker 3: could be true, but personally I think that most of
41:38
Speaker 3: it is like military involved.
41:42
Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, Let's watch this video from two thousand
41:46
Speaker 1: and four from a TED talk by a gentleman named
41:51
Speaker 1: what he nor is what is responsible for a lot
41:55
Speaker 1: of this technology that we've been talking about in developing.
41:59
Speaker 5: Here, All of audio as we know it is an
42:03
Speaker 5: attempt to be more and more perfectly linear. Linearity means
42:09
Speaker 5: higher quality sound. Hypersonic sound is exactly the opposite. It's
42:15
Speaker 5: one percent based on nonlinearity. An effect happens in the air.
42:21
Speaker 5: It's a corrupting effect of the sound, the ultrasound in
42:25
Speaker 5: this case that's emitted. But it's so predictable that you
42:28
Speaker 5: can produce very precise audio out of that effect. Now,
42:33
Speaker 5: the question is where's the sound made. Instead of being
42:36
Speaker 5: made on the face of the cone, it's made at
42:38
Speaker 5: literally billions of little independent points along this narrow column
42:43
Speaker 5: in the air. And so when I aim it towards you,
42:48
Speaker 5: what you hear is made right next to your ears.
42:52
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, Jason.
42:55
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, And in this video what you Noris
42:58
Speaker 3: goes on to say, Yeah, we can project sound into
43:04
Speaker 3: a military fighter, an Iraqi soldier and pretend to be
43:07
Speaker 3: the voice of God, and we can put troop movements
43:11
Speaker 3: off in the distance, so it sounds like something's happening
43:14
Speaker 3: off in the distance, and so and then he also
43:18
Speaker 3: mentioned that every single unit that they produced was picked
43:21
Speaker 3: up by some sort of military connected or military group.
43:28
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
43:30
Speaker 3: So that in my book Theater Shadows, I'm gonna get
43:34
Speaker 3: into this a little bit more and sort of try
43:36
Speaker 3: to point out the way that this sort of a
43:41
Speaker 3: situation could happen to someone where they would think that
43:44
Speaker 3: they're having a certain type of experience, to point out
43:46
Speaker 3: how the technology is at the point now where you
43:51
Speaker 3: people can't necessarily trust their senses automatically, especially in situations.
43:56
Speaker 2: That are veering off far from your usual path.
44:00
Speaker 3: If it's like unusual or unexpected, it can be of
44:04
Speaker 3: the opinion that it could be replicated. I could be wrong,
44:06
Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think it happens in every single situation,
44:11
Speaker 3: but there are situations where it appears to be the case,
44:16
Speaker 3: and people have come out. I think there's Greg Giles.
44:20
Speaker 3: He was connected to like a really big UFO group
44:24
Speaker 3: and eventually he came to understand that he was not
44:28
Speaker 3: in contact with the space for others, the aliens. It
44:32
Speaker 3: was something totally different, and he put that message out
44:35
Speaker 3: there and shut it down. And there are other people,
44:39
Speaker 3: there are other stories out there like that. It's not
44:42
Speaker 3: just in that situation. So I think David Hoffman, he
44:49
Speaker 3: wrote the book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, he really
44:53
Speaker 3: points out a lot of details into the operations of
44:58
Speaker 3: these sort of psychological operations right.
45:07
Speaker 1: Well, that brings in to question the channeling and the
45:11
Speaker 1: channeling of like entities, like what is this really going
45:15
Speaker 1: on here? Is this like really the military that's given
45:18
Speaker 1: you all this information? Like what's going on? Are they
45:21
Speaker 1: hacking into your brain? Let's watch a little bit more
45:24
Speaker 1: of this video.
45:25
Speaker 5: I said, we can shorten the column, we can spread
45:28
Speaker 5: it out to cover the couch. I can put it
45:31
Speaker 5: so that one ear here's one speaker, the other ear
45:34
Speaker 5: here's the other. That's true binaural sound. When you listen
45:38
Speaker 5: to stereo in your home system, you're both ears. Hear
45:42
Speaker 5: both speakers. Turn on the left speaker sometime and notice
45:45
Speaker 5: you're hearing it also in your right ear. So the
45:48
Speaker 5: stage is more restricted. The sound stage it's supposed to
45:51
Speaker 5: spread out in front of you, because the sound is
45:54
Speaker 5: made in the air along this column. It does not
45:56
Speaker 5: follow the inverse square law, which says it drops off
46:00
Speaker 5: about two thirds every time you double the distance six
46:03
Speaker 5: d b every time you go from one meter, for instance,
46:06
Speaker 5: to two meters. That means you go to a rock
46:09
Speaker 5: concert or a symphony and the guy in a front
46:11
Speaker 5: row gets the same level as a guy in the
46:13
Speaker 5: back row. Now, all of a sudden, isn't that terrific.
46:18
Speaker 5: So we've been, as I say, very successful, very lucky
46:21
Speaker 5: in having companies catch the vision of this. From cars,
46:25
Speaker 5: car makers who want to put a stereo system in
46:27
Speaker 5: the front for the kids, a separate system in the back. No,
46:30
Speaker 5: the kids aren't driving today, I was seeing if you
46:34
Speaker 5: were listening. Actually, I haven't had breakfast yet. A stereo
46:38
Speaker 5: system in the front for mom and dad. And maybe
46:41
Speaker 5: there's a little DVD player in the back for the kids,
46:44
Speaker 5: and the parents don't want to be bothered with that,
46:45
Speaker 5: or they're rap music or whatever. So again, this idea
46:48
Speaker 5: of being able to put sound anywhere you want to
46:51
Speaker 5: is really starting to catch on. It also works for
46:54
Speaker 5: transmitting and communicating data. It also works five times better underwater.
47:01
Speaker 5: We've got the military had just deployed some of these
47:03
Speaker 5: into Iraq, where you can put fake troop movements a
47:06
Speaker 5: quarter of a mile away on the hillside.
47:11
Speaker 1: They laugh, But that's the real deal.
47:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that video came out I want
47:19
Speaker 3: to say, like twenty years ago, like two thousand and
47:22
Speaker 3: eight something.
47:23
Speaker 4: Around there, and four I believe and four oh.
47:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like twenty years ago.
47:29
Speaker 3: And I mean that was being developed since at least
47:31
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties. One version of it. It's like called
47:36
Speaker 3: microwave hearing, right, So yeah, I mean the technology is
47:43
Speaker 3: out there.
47:44
Speaker 2: It's possible.
47:46
Speaker 3: If I were some person who had access to the
47:50
Speaker 3: resources and was in the position to use such a
47:54
Speaker 3: technology and a technique to influence people for whatever reason,
48:00
Speaker 3: think that it would be done.
48:01
Speaker 2: And that's just an opinion. So yeah, I'll just leave
48:08
Speaker 2: it at that.
48:12
Speaker 5: Or you can whisper in the ear of a supposed
48:14
Speaker 5: terrorist some biblical verse. I'm serious.
48:21
Speaker 1: They're laughing. They're laughing at it, But that's very real.
48:26
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't that used. I'm pretty sure that
48:29
Speaker 1: was used at one point where they made people believe
48:33
Speaker 1: that they were hearing like the voice of God or
48:35
Speaker 1: something on, like some kind of military soldiers. Am I
48:39
Speaker 1: getting that wrong or is that right?
48:43
Speaker 3: Yeah?
48:44
Speaker 4: It was.
48:45
Speaker 3: It was used in Iraq and supposedly they were projecting
48:51
Speaker 3: that sound into.
48:53
Speaker 2: Bunkers and they were. But one thing was that they
48:58
Speaker 2: were replicating the voices.
49:00
Speaker 3: Of officers or generals and communicating information to people so
49:06
Speaker 3: that they would follow like contradictory orders. Another one was
49:14
Speaker 3: just creating like a state of mind of just fear
49:18
Speaker 3: and anxiety and so on and on and on. And
49:23
Speaker 3: it's out there that has been reported on, and people
49:28
Speaker 3: will go out and feel like they're interested in understanding
49:32
Speaker 3: a little bit more about how the world's working these days.
49:35
Speaker 2: They can look it up.
49:39
Speaker 5: And they have these infrared devices that can look at
49:43
Speaker 5: their countenance and see a fraction of a degree calvin
49:47
Speaker 5: in temperature shift from one hundred yards away when they
49:50
Speaker 5: play this thing. And so another way of hope hopefully
49:54
Speaker 5: determining who's friendly and who isn't. We make a version
49:57
Speaker 5: of this which puts out one hundred and fifty five
50:01
Speaker 5: pain is one hundred and twenty. So it allows you
50:04
Speaker 5: to go nearly a mile away and communicate with people,
50:07
Speaker 5: and there can be a public beach just off to
50:09
Speaker 5: the side and they don't even know it's turned on.
50:11
Speaker 5: We sell those to the military presently for about seventy
50:14
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, and they're buying them as fast as we
50:16
Speaker 5: can make them. We put it on a turret with
50:19
Speaker 5: a camera so that when they shoot at you, you're
50:22
Speaker 5: over there and it's there.
50:28
Speaker 1: They put it on a turret, Jason, They're putting these
50:32
Speaker 1: electronic devices on a turret on public beaches.
50:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I something came to mind that I believe during
50:47
Speaker 3: World War Two the Germans developed a similar sort of
50:52
Speaker 3: technology where it wasn't necessarily sound, but it was interfering
50:58
Speaker 3: with the operation of the brain by transmitting a specific
51:02
Speaker 3: frequency that would incapacitate people, you know, basically like make
51:05
Speaker 3: them pass out or feel so much discomfort that they
51:10
Speaker 3: couldn't function and perform their duties as soldiers. Problem that
51:14
Speaker 3: they had at that time was that they could direct
51:18
Speaker 3: it towards the battlefield, but anyone who was operating it
51:22
Speaker 3: was also caught up in the signal and so the
51:25
Speaker 3: person who turned it on would also be hit.
51:27
Speaker 2: By it and be incapacitated.
51:29
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, don't they use that for like
51:37
Speaker 1: crowd dispersal stuff now in the United States, Like don't
51:41
Speaker 1: they have like it's like a big they'll roll in
51:45
Speaker 1: like a tank. I think it was just used not
51:48
Speaker 1: in the United States, but it was used in another
51:50
Speaker 1: country to disperse the giant crowd like people just started running. Yeah,
51:56
Speaker 1: it was like this.
51:57
Speaker 5: Big, like.
52:01
Speaker 1: Rectangular type of thing that had like a little point
52:05
Speaker 1: on the center of it, and then it just rolled
52:07
Speaker 1: into this crowd and then everyone just started running out
52:11
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Yeah. I think it's like an ultra low
52:16
Speaker 1: yell type of frequency or something that induces fear. And
52:23
Speaker 1: I think there's one that just like screws with your
52:26
Speaker 1: hearing or something like that.
52:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
52:31
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
52:31
Speaker 3: I mean there are YouTube videos of people who like
52:37
Speaker 3: to dabble in technology are inte electronics, and they build
52:42
Speaker 3: these sort of devices like you could call it like
52:44
Speaker 3: psychotronic weapons. The term that it's used today it's a
52:48
Speaker 3: neuro weapon because it's targeting the brain and the nervous system.
52:54
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're out there. I'm thinking of a video
52:58
Speaker 3: right now where a neuro and or a psychotronic weapon.
53:02
Speaker 3: This guy built it. The details are out there, and
53:06
Speaker 3: so you have the schematics and he built it, and
53:08
Speaker 3: it disrupts your ability to speech, so it targets specifically
53:13
Speaker 3: the ability of your brain to speak coherently and clearly,
53:18
Speaker 3: and so in other words, you start talking nonsensically, like
53:23
Speaker 3: word salad, right, you know. And so anyhow, these things
53:29
Speaker 3: do exist and they're out there. So that's mostly I
53:37
Speaker 3: think the important thing to note is that these capabilities
53:42
Speaker 3: do exist.
53:42
Speaker 2: Most people are of the opinion.
53:45
Speaker 3: That the human body and the human brain is inaccessible,
53:49
Speaker 3: everything is private, you know. All of that is maybe
53:54
Speaker 3: was true at one point, but at this point in time,
53:56
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different. And so it's debatable as
54:02
Speaker 3: to whether like who could be influenced by this system,
54:07
Speaker 3: who could be influenced by this technology. That's open to debate,
54:12
Speaker 3: but it does exist and it is possible.
54:15
Speaker 1: So this one is called the active denial system. The
54:20
Speaker 1: Active Denial system ADS is a directed energy weapon developed
54:24
Speaker 1: by the United States Military design for a denial perimeter,
54:27
Speaker 1: security and crowd control, and formerly the weapon is also
54:31
Speaker 1: called heat ray since it works by heating the surface
54:34
Speaker 1: of targets, such as the skin of a targeted human beings.
54:37
Speaker 1: Raytheon had marketed and reduced range version of this technology.
54:41
Speaker 1: ADS was deployed in twenty ten with the United States
54:44
Speaker 1: military in the Afghanistan War, but was withdrawn without seeing combat.
54:49
Speaker 1: Okay Okay. August twentieth, twenty ten, in Los Angeles Sheriff's
54:55
Speaker 1: Department announced it's intent to use the technology to controlled
55:00
Speaker 1: incarcerated people in the Patches Detention Center in Los Angeles,
55:04
Speaker 1: stating that its intent use was our operational evaluation in
55:10
Speaker 1: situations such as breaking up prisoner fights. As of twenty fourteen,
55:15
Speaker 1: ADS was the only vehicle mounted weapon. This was what
55:18
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Through the US Marines and police
55:21
Speaker 1: were both working on portable versions. The ADS was developed
55:25
Speaker 1: under a sponsorship with the Department of Defense and Non
55:28
Speaker 1: Lethal Weapons Program in the Air Force Research Laboratory and
55:32
Speaker 1: as a lead agency. In twenty fourteen, there were reports
55:35
Speaker 1: that Russia China were developing their own versions of the
55:38
Speaker 1: active denial system.
55:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, they also used it, that sort of technology on
55:46
Speaker 2: like tanker ships or those big ships container ships that
55:50
Speaker 2: are in the ocean. They use it and to hit.
55:54
Speaker 3: Like pirates and whatnot, like literal pirates, you know, the
55:58
Speaker 3: type that try and like take over oil tankers or
56:02
Speaker 3: try to take over containerships.
56:04
Speaker 2: You can look that up too and see that. So
56:07
Speaker 2: this stuff is out there.
56:10
Speaker 3: So I think just I don't really like to inspire
56:15
Speaker 3: too much fear or anything like that.
56:16
Speaker 2: It's just worthwhile to know what is and is not possible.
56:21
Speaker 3: And generally speaking, there's a large amount of people that
56:25
Speaker 3: are just wrapped up in many different issues, and some
56:29
Speaker 3: of them are important, some of them less important. But
56:32
Speaker 3: we all have to decide what's important and what do
56:35
Speaker 3: we spend our time looking into. You know, what do
56:38
Speaker 3: we understand about the world. Do we understand the world
56:42
Speaker 3: as a thing that's sort of like a fantasy thing
56:45
Speaker 3: that we imagine it to be, or do we understand
56:47
Speaker 3: it as it actually is? And you know, there's a
56:51
Speaker 3: group of people that believe there's no such thing as
56:54
Speaker 3: truth and that the truth doesn't exist and the truth
56:57
Speaker 3: is just an opinion.
56:59
Speaker 1: But I think otherwise, well, that weapon also brings into question.
57:08
Speaker 1: The Dyat Love Pass incident in Russia brings in the
57:12
Speaker 1: question the Kamara Duban incident, also in Russia. Are you
57:18
Speaker 1: familiar with those two where the dyat Love Pass, a
57:22
Speaker 1: group of eight hikers I believe it was, were all
57:25
Speaker 1: found with their clothes off, like frozen in the It
57:30
Speaker 1: seems like an experiment, and that happened right by a
57:32
Speaker 1: military base as well. You know. Then the Kamar Duban
57:38
Speaker 1: incident was in ninety three, I believe ninety two or
57:43
Speaker 1: ninety three were almost the exact same thing happened were
57:47
Speaker 1: there were these group of hikers that went up on
57:49
Speaker 1: this mountain and one of them got deathly sick, start
57:55
Speaker 1: puking up blood. They were bleeding out of their ears,
57:58
Speaker 1: they were bleeding out of their eyes and bleeding out
58:00
Speaker 1: out of their nose and out of their mouth. And
58:02
Speaker 1: then one of the group went close to them, and
58:05
Speaker 1: then they also got incapacitated. One lady even like started
58:09
Speaker 1: bashing her head off of a rock until she died.
58:13
Speaker 1: I think there was a survivor, one survivor of that,
58:17
Speaker 1: Valentina Corvinia I think was her name. She survived and
58:22
Speaker 1: she that's the only reason that how we know what happened,
58:27
Speaker 1: because she survived. She got away from whatever was going
58:31
Speaker 1: on with these people and they took their clothes off
58:37
Speaker 1: like and she went down to this lake and there
58:42
Speaker 1: was a kayaker down there, and the kayaker took her
58:43
Speaker 1: to the police department and then she fought out a
58:45
Speaker 1: police report and told the police exactly everything that happened.
58:50
Speaker 1: But that seems like some kind of experiment too, with
58:54
Speaker 1: some kind of nerve agent or something. It was like
58:57
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, like one person in the the group collapsed,
59:02
Speaker 1: the other person went to check on them, then they
59:03
Speaker 1: started getting sick. Then one by one all of them
59:08
Speaker 1: started experiencing the same exact symptoms. Is there insane case?
59:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are, and there are other cases like that.
59:18
Speaker 3: There are too many out there that sort of have
59:22
Speaker 3: that same framework. And it's like you have to question, Okay,
59:27
Speaker 3: looking at this as objectively as possible, for what reason
59:31
Speaker 3: would they started all at the same time, or one
59:33
Speaker 3: after the others stripping off all their clothes. What would
59:36
Speaker 3: induce them to sort of have that sort of a reaction,
59:41
Speaker 3: you know, And obviously it's difficult to with not having
59:48
Speaker 3: been there, to say definitively, yeah, this is what happened,
59:51
Speaker 3: But it seems to line up with what the technology
59:55
Speaker 3: is capable of and what its intention is to do,
59:58
Speaker 3: and it's.
59:59
Speaker 2: Intended to disrepped people.
1:00:01
Speaker 3: And I think one of the definitions of a weapon
1:00:05
Speaker 3: is to induce the person to enter into a frame
1:00:10
Speaker 3: of mind or into a state of being that's more
1:00:13
Speaker 3: in line with the goals of the person operating the
1:00:17
Speaker 3: weapon or using the weapon on the other person.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: All right, this is the incident right here. It's called
1:00:24
Speaker 1: the Camar Duban incident. And I was right. It was
1:00:28
Speaker 1: August fifth, nineteen ninety three. The trip, the deaths. According
1:00:34
Speaker 1: to Valentino or Tochenko, the sole survivor who was descending
1:00:38
Speaker 1: them down the mountain at the altitude of three hundred
1:00:41
Speaker 1: ninety seven meters, who was at the back of the group,
1:00:44
Speaker 1: started screaming. He was bleeding from his eyes and ears,
1:00:47
Speaker 1: frothing at the mouth. He fell to the ground, convulsing,
1:00:49
Speaker 1: and then when still Corvina ran up to him, trying
1:00:52
Speaker 1: to get him to gain consciousness. A moment later, she
1:00:54
Speaker 1: cried out, having the same symptoms. She convuls and then
1:00:58
Speaker 1: collapse on top of the other gentleman who had gotten
1:01:01
Speaker 1: to the Corvina first was the next to collapse, so
1:01:06
Speaker 1: three people were collapsing. Grabbing their throat though she couldn't breathe,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: she clawed over to a nearby rock and bashed her
1:01:13
Speaker 1: head against it until she went limp while running, they
1:01:19
Speaker 1: collapsed and died, throwing out blood and crawling at their
1:01:22
Speaker 1: calling at their throats, tearing their clothes off. Or Tachenko
1:01:26
Speaker 1: hurried away, but shortly after Tavishkin also collapsed, convulsing. Or
1:01:33
Speaker 1: Toachenko ran down the mountain, set up a tent right
1:01:35
Speaker 1: under the nearby colored tree, and fell asleep. On the
1:01:38
Speaker 1: next day, she returned to the side of her friend's
1:01:41
Speaker 1: death to to retrieve their supplies she needed from their bodies.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: For four days, she followed a group of power lines
1:01:49
Speaker 1: down the mountain in hopes that someone would find her.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: She found a river which started following it. On August ninth,
1:01:55
Speaker 1: she was found by a group of Ukrainian hikers kayakers,
1:01:59
Speaker 1: who took her to the nearest police station, where she
1:02:01
Speaker 1: filed a report. That's an insane it's an insane story,
1:02:08
Speaker 1: dah yeah.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: And there are there are other stories very similar, not
1:02:13
Speaker 3: that extreme. But there's one part too that where it
1:02:17
Speaker 3: sounds like the person is body maybe is being taken
1:02:21
Speaker 3: over and so their ability to control themselves. And many
1:02:26
Speaker 3: of the people who we consider or could have the
1:02:29
Speaker 3: label of like a Manchurian candidate. They say that I
1:02:32
Speaker 3: feel like they're sort of like in a trance and
1:02:34
Speaker 3: that their body's being taken over and that they can't
1:02:36
Speaker 3: control themselves, and so we don't have a natural defense
1:02:41
Speaker 3: to ward off a signal overtaking our body, right. The
1:02:47
Speaker 3: University of Washington did this study where they they had
1:02:53
Speaker 3: two people. They were both wearing brain computer interfaces that
1:02:56
Speaker 3: were basically like a skull cap on the top of
1:02:58
Speaker 3: their head with the EEG sensors or electro and cephalograph
1:03:03
Speaker 3: sensors sensing the functioning of the brain.
1:03:06
Speaker 2: But then they also had.
1:03:09
Speaker 3: A sort of a setup where they could have a
1:03:12
Speaker 3: magnetic pulsing in a certain select part of the brain.
1:03:16
Speaker 3: And so one person was put on the one side
1:03:21
Speaker 3: of the campus and then the other person put on
1:03:22
Speaker 3: the opposite side of the campus. And one person, the
1:03:26
Speaker 3: person in control, was playing a video game and had
1:03:30
Speaker 3: control of the video game, and then the other person
1:03:33
Speaker 3: did not. And so the first person person a let's
1:03:37
Speaker 3: just say, was able to play the video game and
1:03:40
Speaker 3: send the signal of his hand moving and clicking buttons
1:03:43
Speaker 3: to play the video game to the second person, and
1:03:46
Speaker 3: the second person acted out the physical actions that were
1:03:50
Speaker 3: being transmitted from the original first person. So and that
1:03:55
Speaker 3: was like and that was signals they were transmitted through
1:03:59
Speaker 3: the internet, it right, And this was I don't know,
1:04:03
Speaker 3: some years back, probably like a decade ago, and research
1:04:06
Speaker 3: into that basic idea is continued onward. And so yeah,
1:04:11
Speaker 3: there's that too. So it sort of makes me wonder, like, Okay,
1:04:15
Speaker 3: what happens to people occasionally this sort of thing seems
1:04:18
Speaker 3: like it happens. There are other stories, like there were
1:04:20
Speaker 3: two women in the United Kingdom from Sweden, two sisters,
1:04:25
Speaker 3: and there's this video footage of them just running out
1:04:28
Speaker 3: into traffic getting like ran over by cars, and then
1:04:31
Speaker 3: the police go and pull them back to the to
1:04:34
Speaker 3: the shoulder, and then they get back up and they
1:04:37
Speaker 3: run out and one of them gets hit by what
1:04:38
Speaker 3: looks like a semi truck or a box truck or something.
1:04:41
Speaker 3: They get flung into the air, and and so that
1:04:46
Speaker 3: that incident is labeled by some people as these people
1:04:51
Speaker 3: are a victim of a psychotronic weapon or a euroweapon.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: And so yeah, survive those second.
1:05:02
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they both survived.
1:05:04
Speaker 3: They were both extremely damaged, but they did recover. And
1:05:10
Speaker 3: then one of them went out and was released from
1:05:14
Speaker 3: the hospital or left the hospital. The other I think
1:05:17
Speaker 3: was put in jail or something like that for one
1:05:20
Speaker 3: reason or another. And the person who was released went
1:05:24
Speaker 3: out and just ended up killing some random guy for
1:05:27
Speaker 3: whatever reason, some guy that was trying to help her
1:05:30
Speaker 3: out because she was just wandering the streets and he
1:05:34
Speaker 3: saw that try to do what he thought was the
1:05:37
Speaker 3: right thing and help her out, and she just ended
1:05:40
Speaker 3: up murdering him. So it's pretty bizarre story and it
1:05:48
Speaker 3: sort of makes you wonder. And there are other stories
1:05:50
Speaker 3: out there, some of them.
1:05:51
Speaker 2: I'm sort of the.
1:05:52
Speaker 3: Mind that like, Okay, how do we know what's going
1:05:56
Speaker 3: on here? You know, how do we actually know what's
1:05:58
Speaker 3: happening here? But it seems like there are patterns or
1:06:04
Speaker 3: signals that sort of point to something's odd about this story.
1:06:08
Speaker 3: Something's not lining up, you know, mental health and mental illness. Sure,
1:06:13
Speaker 3: it's a real thing, but the ability to manufacture create
1:06:18
Speaker 3: it too does exist. And I'm also is it possible
1:06:23
Speaker 3: to control the functioning of other human beings, not necessarily
1:06:26
Speaker 3: just their mental state or their emotional state, or their
1:06:29
Speaker 3: cognitive ability like their awareness or their ability to focus
1:06:34
Speaker 3: or so on, but their physical actions because all those
1:06:39
Speaker 3: things are processed in the brain, they're accessible, and so
1:06:44
Speaker 3: that's where we're at.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: What was the name of that incident? Do you know
1:06:51
Speaker 1: what the name of it is? I'm going to look
1:06:52
Speaker 1: that up.
1:06:53
Speaker 3: I can't recall it right now, but yeah, yeah, it
1:06:58
Speaker 3: was just two women I believe there from a Scandinavian
1:07:01
Speaker 3: country and they were just running out into traffic and
1:07:06
Speaker 3: like on a whatever the English version of a freeway
1:07:09
Speaker 3: or a highway is. I don't call it something else,
1:07:11
Speaker 3: I think in what we do in the US.
1:07:13
Speaker 2: But.
1:07:15
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gon have to look into that. Well, Jason,
1:07:18
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on, brother, really appreciate it.
1:07:21
Speaker 1: Can you let people know where to find you online?
1:07:23
Speaker 1: And let people know when your book is coming out
1:07:25
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1:07:28
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1:07:32
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1:07:33
Speaker 3: To do, brother, Yeah, So I don't use a lot
1:07:36
Speaker 3: of social media, but if people want to send an email,
1:07:40
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1:07:46
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1:07:58
Speaker 3: we're working on getting that put together. We had it
1:08:02
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1:08:08
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1:08:26
Speaker 3: of the research, doing the writing and editing, and I
1:08:30
Speaker 3: hope to have that out in the fall this year
1:08:34
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, fall winter twenty twenty five. That'll be
1:08:39
Speaker 3: self published, and I'm guessing you can find that on
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Speaker 1: Amazon.
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