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lets talk about it shanette and cornel 3-3-25 · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: U N Champion, somebody's gone No, don't no, it's no
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  Speaker 1: time that last to the village of Then.
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  Speaker 2: I have your attention, please the show stops in ted.
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  Speaker 3: N eight.
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  Speaker 2: Seven six Hi O three shoot fun go.
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  Speaker 4: With Hello.
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  Speaker 5: Good evening, Thank you guys for joining us for another
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  Speaker 5: episode of Let's Talk Okay, I'm lying now, Okay, thank
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  Speaker 5: you ANGELA good evening and welcome to another episode of
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  Speaker 5: Let's Talk About It with Janette and Cornell.
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  Speaker 4: This evening we have if he'd be able to call in,
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  Speaker 4: we have k C.
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  Speaker 5: Woodard will be joining us for the first half and
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  Speaker 5: then the second half we'll be talking to mister Bernard
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  Speaker 5: Ksey as you If you guys can remember last year
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  Speaker 5: he lost his mom and he had reached out to
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  Speaker 5: me a couple of times within the past three weeks.
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  Speaker 5: So today I was able to talk to him, and
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  Speaker 5: I invited him on this evening. So if he call
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  Speaker 5: in in the next five minutes, then we're going to
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  Speaker 5: talk to him a little on grief this evening.
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  Speaker 4: Let him be, let him.
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  Speaker 5: Share his experience of what he's dealing with. And if
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  Speaker 5: you guys know, on Mark on March thirtieth, I believe
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  Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong, Angela, March thirtieth, the Greek
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  Speaker 5: Podcast will we will begin our Greek podcast over here
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  Speaker 5: on Let's talk on the Crewe podcast. And we got
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  Speaker 5: Casey calling in right now, so that.
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  Speaker 3: Will subject to give you one minute.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for using you may start the conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Now, give me one minute, Casey, give me one minute.
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  Speaker 5: We will be having a Greek podcast at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the month from six from six to eight pm
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  Speaker 5: Eastern Standard time, and we will be talking about we
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  Speaker 5: will be discussing grief.
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  Speaker 4: We will also have.
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  Speaker 5: Guests coming on and share their experience with grief. So
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  Speaker 5: if you guys would like to be a guest on
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  Speaker 5: the Greek Podcast, reach out to one of us Angela,
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  Speaker 5: Thomas Smith, Apostle, Kimberly Thomas, Shamir oz Vaughn or myself Shanette,
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  Speaker 5: and we'll send you the information. Just to let you
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  Speaker 5: guys know, we're only going to air the Grief Podcast
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  Speaker 5: on the fifth Sunday of the month, so that's only
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  Speaker 5: giving us four shows, So get in contact with us
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  Speaker 5: if you guys are ready to share your journey through grief.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead and let my co host introduce itself, and then
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna jump right in with our guest tonight, Casey Woodard.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, thank you, ma'am. My name is Cornell Drummer. I
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  Speaker 6: am a part of the Crew podcast and I'm the
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  Speaker 6: founder of the Free Textive campaign and I am here
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  Speaker 6: incarcerated in textas problem in criminal justice for thirty five years.
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  Speaker 6: And I appreciate them on your show tonight, ma'am, and
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  Speaker 6: thank you very much for having me.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what he always say, Oh, I appreciate
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  Speaker 5: you for being on your show, but he forgets he's
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  Speaker 5: also a co host too, so it's both our.
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  Speaker 4: Shows, you know.
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  Speaker 6: He's just.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's that's my big brother, Cornell. Casey, it been
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  Speaker 5: it's been a couple of weeks since we heard from you.
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  Speaker 5: Go ahead and introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how you have the one whenever.
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  Speaker 7: Inculcrated over the common the unit from San Antonio, Texas,
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  Speaker 7: some serving a sentence of fifty years. I've been incultibrated
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  Speaker 7: to sixteen years at the time. And it's always because
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  Speaker 7: you look to create your platform and talk to the
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  Speaker 7: individuals out there like to hear me speak.
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  Speaker 4: And also we have of course Cordnells can hear you
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  Speaker 4: as well, Casey.
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  Speaker 6: Big call, how you doing, grow something, how you're doing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm well and I'm alive in location, So kick kick
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  Speaker 6: that in the mind. Okay, yeah, yeah, because.
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  Speaker 7: People were trying to think that you was getting gone
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  Speaker 7: and you can't even get.
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  Speaker 6: Any prends yet. Well, okay, the good wishes is that
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  Speaker 6: I stay here right now, So just keep that in mind. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: does everybody knowing my life? Okay, let's get yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: they always trying to put.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so okay, so we don't have long.
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  Speaker 5: With the first half, so we're gonna just jump right
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  Speaker 5: on into it, and I'm gonna read this short statement,
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  Speaker 5: real quick quick. Grief in prison is a complex issue
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  Speaker 5: that can be difficult to process. Prisoners experience grades grief
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  Speaker 5: at a high rate than the general public. Hmm, I
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  Speaker 5: wonder do that. So Casey, let's start.
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  Speaker 6: Let me.
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  Speaker 4: Go about saying.
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  Speaker 3: You are.
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  Speaker 5: You have been in our thoughts and our prayers, and
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  Speaker 5: I send you my condolence your way. Since the last
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  Speaker 5: time we talked the beginning of the year, you had
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  Speaker 5: lost your your mom had transitioned. I don't like using
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  Speaker 5: the word lost, because we haven't lost anything. They just
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  Speaker 5: trans they just transition to the spiritual world.
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  Speaker 6: So transfer already a lot of I believe that, and
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  Speaker 6: it was it was all the thing that it was
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  Speaker 6: hard to go. Ah. So I'm just gonna go through
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  Speaker 6: the three things to tell everyone what happened. Started up
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  Speaker 6: started on thanksgiing and uh, I'm listening to the family.
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  Speaker 8: And we talked it on the phone and the posing on.
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  Speaker 9: My family members and I would listening to everyone less
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  Speaker 9: than and and then it came in my head and
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  Speaker 9: tell me to encoud this time because this is going
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  Speaker 9: to be the last one.
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  Speaker 6: And I kind of shook it up.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't really think nothing about it right then my
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  Speaker 7: piece twenty eight eight, but my family and Christmas, so
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  Speaker 7: my fate was on the shout, and I was thinking
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  Speaker 7: my mother become a business because you know, they told
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  Speaker 7: it to see me, So I didn't when I didn't
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  Speaker 7: get that visiting, I didn't get a visiting slip that
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  Speaker 7: safty I come and you know, my mother, my sisters
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  Speaker 7: they song medn't have to stay because they was all
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  Speaker 7: still because spending the holiday.
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  Speaker 6: Deether with my mother. But my sister told me that
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  Speaker 6: my mother was doing well and that they were going
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  Speaker 6: to be taking it to the hospital.
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  Speaker 7: So then my mother came said the phone and started
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  Speaker 7: sinking me happy birthday, and I was I was rubbing,
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  Speaker 7: I was rubing the vibe. And then that boy said,
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  Speaker 7: you know that the last time you're.
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  Speaker 6: Going to hear this. So she went to the hospital.
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  Speaker 6: When she was in the hospital and then admitted her.
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  Speaker 6: So I talked her on the twenty nine and uh
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  Speaker 6: that nineteen had a stroke. She had a massive stroke
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  Speaker 6: and uh fan and uh.
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  Speaker 3: It was hard.
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  Speaker 8: It's still it is.
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  Speaker 3: Still.
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  Speaker 6: I'm still fit it when you get old because.
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  Speaker 7: Because the regular you don't think about do you think
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  Speaker 7: that you have another moment to create the memories with
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  Speaker 7: the people you love? You think that you have a
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  Speaker 7: do you think you've been able to make it up?
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  Speaker 7: So put the throw with the situation to be in
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  Speaker 7: a cart for me, O me me looking at the
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  Speaker 7: bigger picture of it. I knew it was coming because
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  Speaker 7: my mother was telling me she was five, she's getting
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  Speaker 7: old and she's not fitting the same. But you know,
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  Speaker 7: and then when that boy, I'm listening to that boy,
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  Speaker 7: they kept telling me that this.
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  Speaker 6: Is the last joint.
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  Speaker 7: So now the reality of uh, of of what happened
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  Speaker 7: is there and being across rated.
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  Speaker 6: They won't let you go to the funeral.
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  Speaker 9: Uh, you can't, you can't.
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  Speaker 6: You can't see it because there was live scream for
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  Speaker 6: me to be able to do. But you know, the
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  Speaker 6: happenings they wouldn't hear, so I wasn't able to They
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  Speaker 6: may people figure that it's the holiday time so much
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  Speaker 6: no one here on the unit, so I would I
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  Speaker 6: didn't get to see the funeral, and you know, just
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  Speaker 6: the boy.
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  Speaker 7: They can't be feel because.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you can go ahead and jump in, Cornell. I
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  Speaker 5: want to jump in right, quick, quick, go ahead, Cornell.
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  Speaker 6: Domestic, Casey, your mother raised me. Your mother is my mother,
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  Speaker 6: and I have always loved your mother. I love your family.
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  Speaker 6: Your family has already been her family. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: have good memories of your mom. That's growing up. I
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  Speaker 6: used to go to your mom's house and always would
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  Speaker 6: always sit me down there and fix me some chicken
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  Speaker 6: and calling and write some stuff. So your mom is
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  Speaker 6: a good mother. She's done her job, Casey. You know,
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  Speaker 6: she's done a beautiful job and having some beautiful kids,
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  Speaker 6: and she raised some beautiful kids. She's in a better place.
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  Speaker 6: She don't have to suffer, nor mother. You don't have
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  Speaker 6: to suffer no more because guess what, brother, Casey, you
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  Speaker 6: have to learn to give, for give everything that you
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  Speaker 6: have done for you know what I'm saying, being in
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  Speaker 6: coourse ready forgives everything that you have been doing your life.
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  Speaker 6: Your mom, she did her job, brother Casey. I understand
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  Speaker 6: this was hurting man, believe me. But guess what she's
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  Speaker 6: looking down on y'all smiling because she know one thing, Casey,
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  Speaker 6: she did her job. She's proud of herself. So be
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  Speaker 6: proud of your mother. Cases is of a better life.
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  Speaker 6: Just try to get yourself out of the situation and live, Casey.
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  Speaker 6: You have to live. You want you to stay strong
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  Speaker 6: for her as well as your family because the Lord's
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  Speaker 6: gonna bless you, catch case to come out of this situation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: to stay strong and stay talk with and believe in
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  Speaker 6: Missing that Angela and the whole cool podcast, Casey, Brother,
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  Speaker 6: they keep you in their players and they keep you
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  Speaker 6: talk and they talk about you all the time, believe you.
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  Speaker 6: So always keep in touch with them to let them
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  Speaker 6: know you appreciate this, brother, Casey, You do that always. Always.
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  Speaker 6: I appreciate, I appreciate the love and the.
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  Speaker 7: Consuls and it's like that is. It's the hard. It's
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  Speaker 7: the hard people to swallow when you when you need
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  Speaker 7: food and a lot of a lot of people gonna
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  Speaker 7: think about the fact that you know, life goes on
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  Speaker 7: even though that we seem like that we're in a
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  Speaker 7: time that time and you know, andybody else is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, like like deaths is part of it
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  Speaker 7: is part of the perience of being a human. And
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  Speaker 7: you don't mean but it's like, you know, nothing that
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  Speaker 7: can replace.
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  Speaker 6: The presidence of a mother. There's nothing can the presidence
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  Speaker 6: of a time.
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  Speaker 7: You know, when you're a father or mother and you
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  Speaker 7: have a child and your time block. I mean when
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  Speaker 7: your child oh home no.
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  Speaker 6: Matter why, and it's feel painful because you know the
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  Speaker 6: place nobody's never going to do it like like father
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  Speaker 6: doing it.
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  Speaker 7: You know, the love for a time, regarding of the
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  Speaker 7: foolish choices and decisions that he makes, He's always gonna
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  Speaker 7: be there. She's gonna be on a love and it's
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  Speaker 7: always a condition. And there's no one that can pression
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  Speaker 7: and replace that love that a mother gives to her son.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I'm the middle.
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  Speaker 7: Child and a lot of people just look at me like,
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  Speaker 7: you know what if my mother.
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  Speaker 6: Asked me to do to do. She asked me to
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  Speaker 6: cut her grabs.
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  Speaker 7: I'm coming coming to cut up grabs. When when I
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  Speaker 7: was joking up my mother, you know, just take me
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  Speaker 7: to the watch watch wat material and we I used
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  Speaker 7: to go and watch post with her, and she said, baby,
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  Speaker 7: I'm gonna see you because you ain't gonna want to student.
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  Speaker 4: Let me, you know, can I jump in? I want
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  Speaker 4: to jump in right foot because I wanna because I
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  Speaker 4: know you.
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  Speaker 3: You are our brother.
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  Speaker 4: Case he can go, he can go, he can go.
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  Speaker 5: So I just wanted to jump in. Everything you said
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  Speaker 5: was was true. We had a conversation this morning, and
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  Speaker 5: you was telling me about one night that you was
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  Speaker 5: talking to one of the.
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  Speaker 6: Was it the.
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  Speaker 7: Like a minister, the pil the field ministers, the woman
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  Speaker 7: who they trained, it makes they trained in order to
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  Speaker 7: be like uh like chapter or reverend or you know
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  Speaker 7: someone that's been the spiritual to be at counsel or
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  Speaker 7: so to go help with brother.
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  Speaker 3: And be be happing a monty you.
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  Speaker 6: Know because you know shorts and now to the doing
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  Speaker 6: the job at his office but not get paid.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's let's we're gonna go back to the
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  Speaker 4: to the that that moment when you said that you
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  Speaker 4: went to him.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, when you went to him and you was pouring
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  Speaker 5: your you know, you was letting him know what was
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  Speaker 5: going on with at you and he really didn't have
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  Speaker 5: no compassion. He didn't even have the words to to
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  Speaker 5: tell you. So my question is, when you guys are
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  Speaker 5: going through grief, do the clergy come in there and
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  Speaker 5: talk to you. Guys, sit down and talk to you,
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  Speaker 5: let us know what how how that process is.
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  Speaker 6: Let me tell you what. Uh when my mother passed,
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  Speaker 6: they called up, they called him. He don't call me out,
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  Speaker 6: You don't call.
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  Speaker 7: Me to talk to me.
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  Speaker 6: Uh. I restopped him so that I can be able
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  Speaker 6: to talk to my family. His wife, you know, Chapman's
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  Speaker 6: wife was a little more considered and she was uh
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  Speaker 6: hum when I called when I was listening.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, the field ministers, I feel like they
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  Speaker 7: let empathy, they lot compassion, and they let they is
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  Speaker 7: to discommit with them with individuals because I feel like
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  Speaker 7: that they they got an image they got to portray
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  Speaker 7: before that goal and let me let me cut let me.
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  Speaker 5: Jump in right quick, because you said something that I'm
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  Speaker 5: trying to and you also said it in a letter
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  Speaker 5: that you wrote me, and also when we spoke to
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  Speaker 5: this morning that you said something about a gangster, that
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  Speaker 5: he's a gangster Christian and what you know, what what
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  Speaker 5: do you mean about that?
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  Speaker 4: Can you elaborate on that?
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  Speaker 5: Or these are just are these actually ministers or these
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  Speaker 5: are just people that has a.
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  Speaker 4: Have just learning the the Word of God. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of confused.
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  Speaker 10: What what when I'm saying When I'm saying that when
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  Speaker 10: Christians is the God that you know, he feels like
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  Speaker 10: his reputation or who he is or who he's supposed
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  Speaker 10: to have let go of, it's still a positive lifestyle
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  Speaker 10: and he's still like, you betray me being something that
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  Speaker 10: you really not that you're not being supposed to be.
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  Speaker 6: So if you're riding, if you're riding in Christ and
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  Speaker 6: you riding to be a Christians and you own this
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  Speaker 6: level that this is what you do because you sposed
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  Speaker 6: consider you're supposed to be serving of God. If you're
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  Speaker 6: serving of God, you're supposed to lay down aniliation of
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  Speaker 6: your past life and you're supposed to hustle yourself on
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  Speaker 6: the cercainstances. What the other's deficual? If someone is in
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  Speaker 6: need you're supposed to provide yourself as the service to
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  Speaker 6: be able to console, to consul, and to give the
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  Speaker 6: curacy and positive first when someone is going through something
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  Speaker 6: as trash as do in a family member, I believe
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  Speaker 6: that's the lack of empathy and the lack of self.
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  Speaker 6: But there's the there's a lack of of of a
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  Speaker 6: cultural distance with other individuals that's not like you. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm just being straight with that because that's what I
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  Speaker 6: felt I was. I had to shut it off because
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna be real at this time I'm
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  Speaker 6: feeling now, my tears ain't for everybody. Everybody to sell me.
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  Speaker 7: Ain't supposed to see me when when when when I'm
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  Speaker 7: in and when I'm in my friends and my most
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  Speaker 7: I'm not supposed to open my heart to let everybody
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  Speaker 7: see the tears that I have from put the people
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  Speaker 7: in the humble because you don't understand what they're coming from.
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  Speaker 7: So if you can't understand what that's coming from and
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  Speaker 7: you can't relate to something like that, I feel like
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  Speaker 7: that you to being in.
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  Speaker 6: You should never take the plans or put getting in
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  Speaker 6: the sun. You're gonna put it into work because when
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  Speaker 6: you put in the work.
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  Speaker 7: You're there to help people to change there alive. You're
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  Speaker 7: supposed to be taking the divisiupposed to be in order
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  Speaker 7: to your interest society.
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  Speaker 6: And it's a different in change in the visions because
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  Speaker 6: the bobble I always speaks up and you try.
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  Speaker 7: To do creation when you can take on the formal price.
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  Speaker 7: So if you're taking on a formal price, people pation
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  Speaker 7: and you're still holding on to paying things your part,
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  Speaker 7: you're a hypocrite and you're not.
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  Speaker 8: Who can say you are?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 7: And and and that w That's how I took it,
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  Speaker 7: and it can be set down.
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  Speaker 6: But it also made me bitter.
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  Speaker 7: It made me have a different tection on things about
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  Speaker 7: the prison and where I'm at now you know this,
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  Speaker 7: maybe just ILOs holds out.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, so Cornell, he has a question.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, we don't have much time. So here's a how
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  Speaker 6: are you holding him up? And what's he doing to
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  Speaker 6: keep yourself from while I'm very confined with them In
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  Speaker 6: one of the persons from on a Thaily basis, Uh
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  Speaker 6: right now, you know, right now, I'm I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: a fast you know, I practice is law and I
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  Speaker 6: feel I feel better connecting there right now with the
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  Speaker 6: person that I'm drawing in my brother, they.
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  Speaker 7: Being press Uh when who here was here? O? The
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  Speaker 7: top fell straight up. You know, there's certainly any business
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  Speaker 7: that you you become family in there, because like you say,
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  Speaker 7: that was sixty years from my family. But certainly the
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  Speaker 7: business that surround yourself.
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  Speaker 6: With anyway you get coold from them. They from your
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: little brothers, your nephews and family them or they would
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: come like a big brother to me. So that's why
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: I looked at him like that. And we got history
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: from you know, my family, my my mother have passed
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: for all the people that that reput into my home,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: and like say, we eat together. We slept in the
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: little state each other, the homes and stuff. That's what
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: it was when we resol That's how it was. And
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: that type of memory your family.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: But I'm holding enough, you know, you know, dark builder,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: and you know I cherished the speriments that I have
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: with my mother. I got, I got dear memories of them,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: and uh I hold right now.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And uh I just.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: So right now do they have do do they offer
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: counseling to have you reached out to your counselor to
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: see if you can get counseling.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be I gotta be, uh, just some transparency
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: with so I'm always.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: Gonna keep it, really keep the one hundred. So we
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: have we have a counselor there the Hispanics. So even
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: when I with them, I can't share everything with them
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: because they don't relieve, you relate when they see a
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: wrong man that has trouble money right, the traumas going
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: up and as a kids, you know, seeing the thing
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: in ourselves, you know, singing, and then the life experiences
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: that I have gone through as the Pome and become
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: a man. I have a town so and my phone
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: is puking in.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Times pome experiences that I had in life. So I
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: have times, well, I've had anxiety, I had an attack.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: My whole body locked up because of sometimes head and
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: I cried when I was fifty, when I'm putty, I cried.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: I cried for over an hour and a half from
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: stuff that I'm kecked up inside.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Of me and I needed to release.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: When I'm tind of talking to individuals who says that
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: they are counselor who says that they're supposed to be
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: to his apartment that you can't provide me with the
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: service to help me to to to to people to
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: pit the pain that I got got inside of me.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: And then when I opened up, you can't relate to
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: pre practice man. Sometimes in front of you, you can't
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: struct the stereo type that I'm supposed to be strong.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: I'm not.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: No, I'm not a true man.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I told you this very miss Johnson, that my heart
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: is not mad to steal. It's human. I bleed my heart.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: My heart pleads blood and blood. So there's no way
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: that I'm going to them trying to step in the thing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: The times I feel like the chryst the night around me,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: his digitivisions the pen and it coops me out from
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: being who I'm supposed to be. I'm trying to grow.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to become the thing what I was time
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: to be, coming in trust and so know that I
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: got to surround myself to every individual cooled.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: To become that individual that I know I'm supposed to be.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: I take classes, I do a lot of things. I
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: can prove the space that I have in order for
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: me to be the man that I know that God
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: intended me to be. And then I know that I
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: got as that to be that man that my men, you.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Know, right, So you know.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna give I'm gonna let Cornel go ahead and
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: ask you a question because I can.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Hear him want to jump in.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: And then also before we leave, before you leave us,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: I would like for you to read a poem that
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: you had.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Did.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Corney Hope.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: Thank. My question is this, are you saying in contact
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: with your spiritual side to know that that's the right
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: way to go in order to humble yourself, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: to what you have been through, brother Hayc in order
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: to not do something you know that you feel all
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: the anger and hurt from losing your mother. Are you
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: connecting with your spiritual self to humble yourself? That's what
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: my question is. I'm stitching up the old of myself
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: and I've reached out to people. People given about the
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: field minutes the program right now because it starts to
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: be so bad, yea, that I couldn't vote someone like that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: So I'm in a good spot right down there. It
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: really kind of up. They opened up mom to the fighting.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: You know, I never can be picked up on on
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: on the trouble trying to regain my freedom, because I
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: feel like I was really finished. But you know, my
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: fight is the fight, and you know, my place for the.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Sup So you because I hear a lot of pain
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: and I know it because also well because of what
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I dealt with over these last past months going on
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: two years, well it'll be two years in November, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: how I dealt with some of the grief. Sometimes I
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: do cry, you know, because that hurt that is still there.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: But I also write, you know, I also put it,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: starting to put my feelings on papers, trying, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: seeing it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: So what have you have?
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: What have you been doing?
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: How do you besides bottle on the emotion up inside
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: of you? Are your feelings? How are you getting through
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: with it?
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: I write, I think it's the way for me. Oh words,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: that I'm something. I'm gonna shit with people before before
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: my time run out. Tears for my mother. It's called
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: kills for my mother. Uh God. Every day seems the same,
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: like the state of Seattle, gloom and pain. The emotional
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: road coasters see strong, consumed and pain. Looking at the photos,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: it's hard, you know. So there's no there's no easy way.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: To practice Creek. There's no medication to prescribe for relief.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: So God, I continue to talk to you until I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: able to find a way to evolve and move on.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: But right now, all that scene is possible. And I
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: missed the boy talking to her, hearing hearing the ladder,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: seeing that smile on her face, and other other that
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: was so strong in company. One thing you would one
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: called her home And I had to be strong for
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: my family, my sister.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: My brother. Huh, there will never be another God. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: really my mother.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Wow, that was beautiful. Caseee, you know that was beautiful.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: That was beautiful.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And once again I would just like to give you,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: send you my condolencens and a great big hug from California.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: You know, always look to the hills what comes your health.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: You know, never lose sight of.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Your journey. I can tell you that I did lose sight.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I did let Uh.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: The loss of my son overwhelmed me. And I can
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: hear hear it in your voice how much you miss
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: your mom. And I know you just a couple of
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: months out from your mom transitioning. My my advice for
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: you is, I know you said you don't like emotions,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: but and and in a situation that you are in,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: It's all right to fill your emotions, you know, even
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: if you have to just get a piece of paper
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: and a pen and just write it, just you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: feel them. You know, it's all right to feel, you know.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Don't don't let it be bottled up and you release it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Don't stay there.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: And I hear that we only have one minute.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you the last minute or a second
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: to say something. But I would like for you to
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: keep in touch with me, Casey.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Already, your family, your family you know how adopted you
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: as as as as one of my sisters. So that's
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: what it is.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: You say, and we can.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: Yes, but you know, yes and uh and and I
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: appreciate already do yeah, I appreciate even being that talking.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: About my mother and my experience on briefing. We all
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: go through it. But I'll tell you what going a
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: line to see the beauty of how life is and
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: what we come from. Uh and uh, these things they're
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: going to be both human life and then but I
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: appreciate you. Goodbye.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. So that was Casey.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Everyone he paid account.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: He's constantly, he's currently in concerated in Texas and he
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: just lost his mom. I believe in January. But now
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: we're gonna switch to a switch in another gear. We
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: done talked about grief, and now I have my co
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: hosts back with me, and I believe mister Bernard. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: don't know if he's gonna call in or how that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: gonna work. He's also incarcerated in Texas. He's currently in
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: the Domingus unit. He have received he was he received.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Parole.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: He was granted parole which was FI six, and they
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: moved him into the program. So now since he done
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: completed the program, they still holding me. They saying that he.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Didn't receive that he didn't complete it. It's just a
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: whole lot going on.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna have Cornell kind of touch on that
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: before mister Bernard chime in.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: Okay, yes, ma'am, okay, I too have to placed into
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: this FI six Rebilitation Restrictive program. And the program is
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: managed by the Management Training Corporation, which is contracting with
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: the State of Taxes. And these individuals are somehow contact
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: contracted with the Parole Board. The Parole Board system here
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: will put you in this program as a form of rehabilitation. Okay,
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: we'll give you an FI six. It's supposed to be
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: a six month program. So today I get the role.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: They'll give me a three month exensing day to be
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: at the program. But if I can't get at the
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: program for the three months, if I go pack have
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: four months from there they'll take that help got six program.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: So with that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: Being recorded and the subject to monitoring, to accept this
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: free calls one.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry about that, Cornell.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Thank you for.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: You may start the conversation.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Now, okay, go ahead, Cornell finish.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Okay, So now instead of having a half FIU six,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: you got enough by TV. So now what's having so
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: many secrets? Have waited for year till you get to
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: the program, and then they have to do another six months,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: then they have to do another two months after being
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: a cruise of parole man. So now some of these
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: guys have completed the program and the parole board has
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: not given them a release there and now the program
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: is saying that they don't have no other ways of
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: helping me gods get out of the program extipt through
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: the rot through the parole board. The roller board saying
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: that they don't have a competent application from this facility
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: for the individual inmates. So now the problem is that
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: these people are being hell, even they're parole, they are
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: being approved, completient, they are being completed within the program. Man,
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: how will let father Bernard come on and tell his
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: story about his experiences with what's going on with his situation.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Man, Okay, so we right now we have Joshua Bernard
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: that's getting ready to join us.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Mister Bernard, Hey, how are you?
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: How are you? O'm bliss?
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: It's quite one lord, dude, So.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Given introduce yourself. Let us know a little about mister
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Joshua Bernard.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Uh, just an outboy, you know, I mean, going working family.
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: Man.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: You know, I had a four kids and.
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: Just trying to get back to it right now, just
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: you know, going through something with the four home people
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: right now. I mean I really don't know what's going
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: on really, to be honest, Like I mean, I've been
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: finished with this program.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Going on three months now. A week from today, there
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: be three hunds that I've been finished with this program.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: And out of everybody I call.
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: From Huntersville to outstay to the part of the county
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: I'm trying to go to, I mean, nobody could tell
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: me exactly what I waiting out. They said that they
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: waiting a little certificate from this program. Program people told
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: me they shad certificate off. Like, I'm just I never
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: had talk to the right person that can give me
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: the information to let me know what I'm waiting on.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so have.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Because I know we had talked a couple of times
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: about this situation.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: What was going on with you?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: And have any other men that was in the same
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: class as you that have they been released or are
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: they still there?
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like people that's been coming through the program like
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: I've been.
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: It is gone right here going on nine months and
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: it's like the father though, like once these people is finishing,
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: they is really going on, Like you don't think I
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: address and stuff for food and they're not waiting on
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: on halfway house. It's not taking no longer than maybe
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: thirty weeks for them to be gone.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: So CEMO changed.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know what my situation is.
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: Why I'm caught up what I did file for interstate contact.
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: But I do have an address too, like I didn't.
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: It wouldn't matter which when I go to. I'm just
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: want to get about a enterr, you know what I mean.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: So when you said interstate that you put in for
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: to go to another state once upon release.
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, back to louis I am from Lake Child.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: And when I talked to the people from.
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: Parole when I actually made parole, they told me that
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: interstate having a physical address.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Put it and waiting on the healthway house and then.
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: See only the reasons why I put in for an
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: interstate company. That way I can be able to go
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: straight to my house. I wouldn't have to deal with
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: trying to find a job in Texas and just trying
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: to find a house like I mean, I would be
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: living with someone. But and to be really inconvenience being that,
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: you know, I have family where I'm from and I
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: have a house to go to my home.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Do you who somebody else?
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Do you know if they have got in touch with
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: parole in Louisiana and have anyone went and checked out
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: the address that you put on your nstate.
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: Transfer Louisiana still awaiting no Texas like they I had
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: my people go to grow people in Louisiana and they
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: do not have any paperboards from Texas concerning me. Like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: I don't know what's the whole of you know, I've been.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Trying to reach out to hire people like chairmans and
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: uh uh this Chris Carter guy.
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: I think it is supposed to be over the things,
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: but like I haven't been able to reach in them
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: or anybody else, like someone that can really want me
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: in the right direction and tell me exactly what I'm
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: waiting on. I got to throw people on this union.
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: They I have such them four five, six sixes. I've
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: never received any of them banks and will tell me
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: nothing about like what my situation is or what I'm
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: waiting on.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: What you know what I'm saying.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Like I've seen you know, answers leaves looker than me.
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: They going to halfway Houn.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and they.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Told you that, They told you having a permanent address
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: will be faster than going to a halfway house.
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they said any physical answers don't matter where I said,
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: will be quoting and waiting on the half for him.
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: That's that was the whole reason why I put in
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: for for me to go back, actually go back home,
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: because I wasn't standing tick when I caught my choice.
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: I was actually living as I was answered in.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: So did you try did they bring you from Louisiana
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: to Texas to were you just for you to serve
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: your sentence.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: Uh I was bought well, actually, my god, I ain't
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: got fulled over.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: After I caught my charges and I was already in,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: so they told me that I had a warm.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: Particulously out weighed in Louisiana's to come hip.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Take Okay, So yes, okay.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: You know through a situation, you got a lot of
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: other guys to be also facing the same situations within
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: the same program. And you know, I would like to
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: I can get five minutes for the guy who's facing
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: the same situation and tell him to tell his story.
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: The same way.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: If you don't mind me, he is, okay.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Okay, Uh yeah, I got over a here ago. I
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: mean I did it. Put me in a change and
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: got their changes, and they told me what's gonna change
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: my page? Well, if I was supposed to leave my
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: you a September feet and I think that's September. But
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: I stayed at Huntsville for a month and a hand
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: before I got here. When I got here that they
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: only led me six months. This chart going to ask
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: the home by six program, So I tell her was
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: the purpose? We can a parole if you're want to
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: give me a program and you're not gonna let me
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: go home until after this. Well, my wife count My
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: wife had a paroloficer going to a home visit to
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: take the house, got to sign the papers to get
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: a box put into the house.
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: And I'm still here.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: So she called the Parola office and told her if
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: if the program lost, that's a letter saying that you
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: have no time to this program. Successfully. You know they'll
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: they'll change.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: These people are telling me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: That I have to uh, they have to write. Well,
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Paro is telling us a whole different story. So like
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: I said that what's the purpose of to be into
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: this program and holding this book open? But the sixth
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: month was that I'm here and I'm discharging. But you
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: can give it to somebody who's got two years, three years,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: four years, five years of parole left. I don't have
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: nothing left when I finished this program. I don't even
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: finish the program. I finished the program, made twenty fifth
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: of discharge, made twenty second.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: So what what they did?
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: So?
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to jump down right, What do you
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: do you think the reason is why they holding you
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: guys behind longer once you guys finished the program.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Money, That's what I think It is exactly because there's
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: there was another gentleman here that just got moving to
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: the other side of the unit. He's been here nine
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: months already. He finished six months ago. He's been here
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: three months. He got accepted to a halfway house. He
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: got he sent the exhibitions letter to the parole. When
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: parole got it, they showed that he was still on
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: the roster. They never took that gentlemen off the roster,
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: so he lost his half playoff. Wow. So man and
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: these councilors, they ain't got No, they haven't been through
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: what we've been through. There's only one. All the other
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: ones are running there his life because the other ones
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: that the feomle like twenty years old. She ain't been
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: through what we've been through. She don't know about no drugs,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: no prison of time. She's all new. That is they're
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: going to ask us, what do you want to talk about?
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: It don't make no sense. Well you should be talking about.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Right, And that's one thing that me.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: And Cortnell talk about talk about is about you know
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: I we want to know what programs are they providing
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: for you guys. They're saying that you had to complete
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: up a program before your release. But what are what
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: life skills are they providing?
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: No, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll tell you
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: my bunk to see vall dues program. I'm discharged. It
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: don't matter to me. They're holding me. Basically, they could
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: just sign the face right right or call parole to look,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: mister Molina does not have enough time to finish this program.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: We take it into our best knowledge for him to
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: take counseling or something outside and give it to somebody
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: that still have and then we you know, these people
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: that got that got parole, they still have to do
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: it outside. So it's a purple in.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Taking it, you know.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: And this is this is a private owned, private owned
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: uh uh program. This isn't even TDCD. It's their TC
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: not only that we got Twitter do don't even work.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been here and that, yeah, you know you
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: flush it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: He comes out the great into the neighborhood.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been I've been here and about that. It
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: is only one toilet for what is it? Fifty man's
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: on that unit?
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Eight people, oh, fifty eight people toilet.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were yesterday we were down to note pot.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Wow yeh wow wow. And then it's only one shower
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: for fifty eight men.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: Just man the other the like when you walk into
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: our pardect the whole left side of shut shut down.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: That's got wonderful work.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: So have the Wharton came out in checked over there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: Talking to the warden is like looking to them person
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: of how it started flying around. You got the better
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: answer to them than you do the war. Wow. Yeah,
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: there's you know, we're just trying to figure out. I'm
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: trying to figure it out with Darniel because like I said,
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: I'm going home regardless. But there's few people that are
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: gonna have to take the same stuff. How far would
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: they get? What's so what's the point.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Because when they do have the programs out out that what.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: They're teaching, what they're teaching, and your pro getting it
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: on the outside, then you got it over.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Here, right, Because what it sounds like is they're not
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: doing nothing. They just letting you guys, just asking you questions.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they get they're gonna getting money out there. They're
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: gonna make money in.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Here, and that's all it is is. It's just it's
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: just the money thing.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I feel I'm going home with brother. But
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: there's you know, I've done the Spanish for second years.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: He's got away more than I. But you know I
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: still got a friend of the prisoners and still going
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: home on p and they still want to do it outside.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: Don't make why what why are you giving us these programs?
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: Getting here? We still gonna take them out there with.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: So what do you think do you?
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: How how can the families get involved? You know, what
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: would you suggest that the family's been doing.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Let's see when I when I talked to my wife,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: she calls up here and has spokes to I. Don't
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: I think of mister Robinson, and he's the one that
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: saw the world. You know, Paro's got a right us
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: letting us know that he don't have no time to
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: finish the program. My wife said, well, you're in his
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: pokem I'll be like here, you know all the programs.
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: Well why can't you do it like they telling me
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: to do it? And he said, oh, there's not the
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: kind of tide in my hands. Baro voted for him.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: To stay here.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: You know, when I first got here to this program,
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: my my wife called and try to get involved in
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: telling them, hey, you don't have enough time, but this
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: is a parole and that's that's the excuse. This is
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: a paroles. But they don't make contact with paroles. They don't.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: They don't have nothing to do with paro. When I
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: wrote the parole lady here and I asked her, I said, listen,
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: you're telling me that I gotta stay here to complete
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: this program in order for me to go home. I said,
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: how do you think about discharge? So she wrote me
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: back and she told me that I have to stay
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: so I can't home me past my discharge date to
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: finish this progut successfully.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: But I mean, when is your discharge date?
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: This charge game may made twenty second and I finished
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: the program made twenty fIF.
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Wow, Yeah, So it just isn't isn't money things right?
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: It's just like there's another unit in Henderson at the
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: f DC unit inside of him, and he do the
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: same thing you can do with everyone on that unit.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: They just connect the money from TVC. I was on
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: that union for two months and I've seen what goes
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: on on the union. But it's just a monkey circle. Wow,
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: they're making money.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: So is there any.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: Nonprofits that's over there applicating on behalf of the inmate?
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: No, man, we don't got nothing. They got no kind
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: of support from the only thing we got in our
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: family is that they tried it. You know, they're new judicators,
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: so they don't even know what's going on. They don't
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: know who to contact. They when they contact these people,
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: these people throw off the left field like that. They
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: don't make the right contact with the right person. Wow.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: Cause you know, I did try to join one of
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: the nonprofits over there over there.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: That's a long story. I got kicked out out.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, there's one that comes out on she's nonprofit too.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: I don't even know. I forgot the name of it.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: That's probably the one that I got kicked out of
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: because I wouldn't make them, I believe so I wouldn't
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: make them the priority and their their nonprofit is basically
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: lead to me, I seem like, you know, it wasn't
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: they wasn't applicating on behalf of the the inmates. I'm
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: gonna put it like that.
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: I appreciate everything to doing for us. Uh gonna, here's Daniel.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for sharing.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: Okay, mister, yes, ma'am, and that has happened.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, also, okay, so we got seven minutes for now.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: Okay, man, thank you. That's good. That's enough thing for
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: me to explain this. Okay, I have listened to the
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: process of what management training corporation and not the training
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: corporation of the body. A body is individual who'll get
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: that money? Okay, the State of Texas Parole Board system
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: and under the eleventh Amendment, which means that you cannot
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: sue the executive brand development, so the executive brands the
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: government can do whatever they choose to do without anybody
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: having to tell them what they can do. So now
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: what's going on is that now since for the matter
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: of years, the Texan Border Partner parolals have figured out
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: away with the State of Texas to get in tout
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: with the five Pentity and let them come in and
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: pay the money for inmates to be able to put
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: them in the Management Training Corporation programs, which is an
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: aaor angle management program. But we also take these same
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: programs already in TCP and we've got certificates for already
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: passing the classes of anger management in AA. But now
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: this has been a policy of the Parole Board on
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: putting us in these programs. So now with that being said,
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: this is like a double buildings game, right, Okay, we
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: we an article Carlon, we are calling on the director
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: of the Parole Boys to do his job. Okay, parole
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: matter of church have beviiion information. Okay. It said Texas
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: as part of the paroles is under fire. Why are
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: prisoners granted the FI still behind prison boss? Okay? This
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: article is placing tool Thespiring Office magazine, and it was
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: addressing the issue of why are so many inmates still
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: behind prison walls after being already approved for paroles? Mind yourself,
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: this is an FI reabilitation program, and this is over
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: six thousand FI six inmates that have already got the roles.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: That's not counting the five nins. That's not counting the
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: FI three, that's not counting the FI twos and FI ones.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: That's not counting the FI eighteen. So all these people
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: you got, thot over the thousands of people already granted
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: paroles and are still behind prison walls. Man, So now
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: this is a burden on the tax tells being forced
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: to put the bills of paying for up houses in
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: these presences. And then our conditions are so bad. We
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: don't have a lot of water, The water's contaminated, the
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: food is contaminated. We can cold pool me every day
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: while because we don't have hot raw. They got a
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: lot of base power up into the bottom of this
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: building right here, and now the water's coming about the floor. Man.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: So here it is mister Robinson, who's over this truck. Man.
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: They don't even come in here. He don't even come
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: over here. So now here is whoever owne these program? Man,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: they don't come in here to see if these people
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: to get in the competuite that they need to rebilitate
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: back into society. Man, and they're not doing it. He
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: needs this program assessing. But about the billion dollars.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Provement, and you know what Cornell is.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: I I had to I will, I had to close
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: my eyes just now when you were speaking on that,
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: because it's a it's a shame.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: Where and do you United States and our prison systems
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: are little Third War countries inside of here and they're
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: getting all this money.
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: And to know that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: It's fifty eight men's in one unit with one tarlet
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: with one shower, with water coming up out of the
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: ground and no with and drinking contaminated water.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: No hot water.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Came.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: They not washing away the trays properly.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: But everybody is everybody so concerned about what forty seven doing.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: See, they done took.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: The focus off the state, and they everybody looking at
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: what the federal is doing. And now the States is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: over here. They've been doing it. Now the States is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: over here. It's just running crazy. Like you got these
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: men's and women that's wrongfully and car serrated. You have
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: men and women that's been paroling still in prison. I mean,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: come on, people, let's come together. Let's come together and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: then for that.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: Look, you know what, I'm not gonna mention your name,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: but you guys is dead wrong. You guys is dead wrong.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: You said you suppose you're gonna applicate for the men
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: and women over there in Texas.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: That's what you say you do, but you don't.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: You know, I know, And that's the reason why you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: guys put me out that group, because you know I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: know that that's what y'are not doing. You have men's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: calling you, you have a families, their wife's calling and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: telling you guys what's going on, and you, guys not
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: an undressing the issue. You want to sell you over
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: there selling T shirts and calendar that's.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: What you're doing.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Okay man, you're not being the voice.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I would like to thank the crew podcast
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: man first of all for all the hard work that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: you have done, because I got a handful of particles
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: that's published in US. Fine off the NACA names, bring
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: the carbon reformers in the State of Texas and the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: parole board.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, you know what, Cornel, I just looked at the clock.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: We got one.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: Kay, okay, okay, well, ma'am, you know what. Thank you
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: very much. But anyone who's listening to the firecast tonight,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: we urge you to get involved. Please contact our safe up,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: our text seats, and our governors in anybody who's willing
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: to live to what you have to say actual investigation,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: ask for them to come over here and see the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: stuff for themselves so they're taking those exactly that we're
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: not just making this stuff, and we need some support.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: Some families to get involved. We need to check us
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: in the family Association and text us from the line
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: of people the stuff up and stop being a fake
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: and having these people to believe that y'all are trying
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: to get me for them and y'all are not. That's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: what the point is. To need real support man. So
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: thank you very much man for having me on your
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: shof to night, ma'am. And I would love to be
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: able to come back again and our show. Thank you.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: I would love to be able to come back again.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: So you come, you know boy, wait to me. I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: talked to you too later on tomorrow.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I would just like to.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: I would just like to thank you guys for joining
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: us tonight for another episode of Let's Talk About It,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: you know, continuously pray for our men and women that's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: currently incarcerated, and be a voice let people know what's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: going on, right Jasmine Crockett and all of them, let
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: them know what they're doing over there in the great
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: state of Texas. As they say, as always, we love
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: you guys. I hope you guys have a blessed and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: wonderful weekend. Until next time we see you, don't forget
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: to drink your water. And if you're not going to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: use your voice to speak up, just stay in your
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: own lane and be quiet. Love you and see you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: next time.