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All right, let's get to our show today because we've got to talk about zombies. Okay. Zombies first showed up in Haiti. Okay, and these are Haitian zombies. We're gonna start off with Haiti. During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, many slaves were taken from Africa and transported to what is now present day Haiti, which was ruled by the French. It's believed that once the slaves died, they would be freed from slavery and return back to Africa. Many, many, many slaves died unfortunately in Haiti. Throughout time, the legends evolved into the practice of voodoo, specifically bacor, with Haitians believing that undead could become bewitched to perform evil tasks. Today, we're going to be studying this with our friend, doctor Dennis Carroll, who has many years of experience in the paranormal, the occult, UFOs, cryptids, you name it. He's my resident expert on just about everything, especially the occult in demonology, and today is no different. Please help me. Welcome to the show, my friend, doctor Dennis Carol. Hey Dennis, afternoon, Good to be here. This is one of my favorite subjects, by the way. Zombies are one of my favorite subjects, by the way, And it is a fascinating one without a dialbum and it goes into a lot of different areas. That's what's so good about it. It's an interesting but you know, to begin with though, we need to kind of set aside of the Hollywood image. That's not a real zombie. Okay, yeah, the Walking Dead and all that stuff, those are not really zombies. Zombies do not eat you, Okay, real zombies don't. Now, those are googles. Those are gooles. And you know, we've talked about ghouls before, and actually in the very first Walking Dead or the Night of the Living Dead movie, they never call them zombies. They call them ghoules. Because there are two types of ghouls that will eat you. They are demonic ghouls and then there are human based schools. They are what eat people, live and dead people. But the zombie does not do that. The zombie is a mindless slave in that respect. Although they can be programmed to kill, and we're gonna talk about that today. They can be programmed to do things. They could even be programmed to eat someone if they wanted them to do that, because the zombie will do whatever it is programmed to do, whatever that may be. But that's the interesting thing about zombies. But like you said earlier, we've got different kinds of zombies to look at. There are many different types of zombies. Now when you get into the voodoo religion, and there are many types of voodoo too. By the way, Haitian vodoo is different from the voduo in Africa, and the voodoo in Africa is different from the voodoo in New Orleans and Louisiana, the Value Country and all that. You've got different types of vudu, but every one of them do have a connection to the zombie. And the bokors who are really the the voodoo priests or priestesses sometimes that may be, are the ones who can supposedly initiate the making of zombies. Now, when I first got into the paranormal many many many years ago, this was a fascinating subject to me. I read everything I could get my hands on about this, and I come to the fact that, hey, this is one paranormal being that absolutely could be real, and that to me is the number one thing that makes the zombie so interesting. It can't be real. Oh yeah, they're very real. And so to kind of backtrack a little bit into the beginnings of zombieism, I guess the word I just made up. Back in the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds. Unfortunately, there was a slave trade going on and there were a lot of sleeves in Haiti Okay, what we know today as Haiti, and it seems like there were a lot of cultures there, a lot of different cultures from different parts of mostly from Africa and everything. They were all kind of melded together with all the different nationalities and cultures that were there and different religions, and it seems as though they were all kind of combined, and so Vudu is actually a religion, right, Dennis, Yeah, And there were so many influences on it. You know, you brought they brought the African slaves to Haiti and Jamaica and places like that. It was usually under French colonial rule at that time, and so they had the French influence, the Creole influence going on, and they were very Catholic people. They were very very deep into the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church had a lot of influence on Vudu. Believe it or not. There is a strange connection between that to this day. And you got to remember also, it wasn't just African slaves. There were also Irish slaves brought to the islands as well, so you had a possibility of having not only black zombies, but white zombies as well. In that respect. So this is a very multi cultural thing going on here. You know, it's a hodgewise of a lot of things and influences, and we know a lot of some of the belief system of the Irish got mixed in with some of this too, So that's the strange part as well. That's a fascinating setting. But now when you look at voodoo, and I have actually seen with my own eyes a real voodoo ceremony. I told you about that years so you know, several months ago I actually saw this and witnessed this. And in their belief system, Papa Legaba Legaba is the god that connects the living and the dead, the spirit world from the living world. But then you've got Baron Samede, who is the god of graveyards and guess what else, zombies. He is the one that raised the living dead supposedly and get them to do what he wants to do. But here's an interesting connection to the zombie and all of this that was going on, just because the colonial part of all this that was going on. Their main precept was, of course they raised cotton down there as well, but not as much as they did sugar cane. Sugar cane was a big commodity. They made a liquor out of it, and of course they used it for sugar and whatever the seed my lyses. The list goes on and on. It was a very viable crop and it is very I mean it's eesier to chop cotton than he is to chop sugarcane, okay, because it is a tougher reed like plant. You got to rarely put your back into that. So that was the perfect thing for slave labor. That's what they were looking for. That's what they wanted the slave labor for. To do this in the hot Caribbeans and had to be a very exhausting job. But there was the rumor that a lot of those people out there cutting gane we're not living people, but they were zombies. They were zombie force, and so they were the zombie was used mainly is another type of sleeve labor, if you want to look at that that way. That's the strange part about that, dude. Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean that that that's an element that a lot of people probably haven't even thought about happening. You know, when we talk about the voodoo and zombies, and because when we hear zombies. When I hear zombie, I think of the walking dead, okay, and the Night of the Living Dead. That's what I think of. But it goes it goes back. Actually, there was before voodoo. There was vodoo, right, it's a kind of a precursor of voodoo from what I can understand, where they were creating zombies. Okay, there were, and it was people, and it was by being drugged. Am I correct with her? Well, we'll get into that in a few minutes. There are different types of zombies, and when you look at the voodoo zombies, the Vudu related zombies, you've got to recognize two types of those. You have the dead zombies and you have the living zombies. Now by dead, I mean these are demonically reanimated dead bodies. They have demons or spirits in them and they reanimate. This is reanimation of the dead. This is a very dark, that romancy type stuff going on that supposedly is part of the black magic thing, that you can actually raise dead people by putting spirits on the Let me go back on this a moment. In the Voodoo religion, they believe, and I saw this with my hound eyes, that they allow spirits to enter into them. They allow spirit to enter. That's where Lako Buk comes in. He allows that they go on. You allow the spirits a temporary home and you so to speak. And they also believe that they could allow spirits of the dead or the demonic, whichever way you want to look at it, into the body of a dead person of the cease to be individual and re animate that body. Okay. Now that is a true living dead zombie, okay, And that's what that really is. But then you've got what we call living zombies, and that's where the bok or using drugs like the puffer fish and some other things. I won't get into that, but anyway, they use this drug to simulate death. And but just like if I were to give you this, Jessica, it would look like that everybody around it that you died, okay, and we would bury you. But your heart rate would be solow, your breathing would be so low. If they didn't check you very well scientifically, they would say, hey, Jessica's kick the bucket here, and you know it's time the burrier. And so that's what they would do, and I would come back later as the boat corps and dig you up. I would then back later later that night, dig you up, revive you, but you was still in a stupor, like you would still be under the influence of these drugs. You're therefore, then, my slave. You'll do whatever I tell you to do, whether it's go cut sugarcane or go kill somebody. Whatever I decide I want you to do, you will do it because you are sort of a robotic ultimatum, a living one, though, and that is where the drug influence comes in on that. Oh my gosh. Well, I was doing some research yesterday and I came across an actual medical journal study on zombies Dennis Okay, an actual medical journal, a British medical journal did a legitimate study on these zombies and haiti and there's actually one of the cases was a thirty year old woman who had died. Okay, she died, they buried her, her family buried her, and three years later after her death, it was confirmed she was recognized by a friend wandering another village. In a village and her seven year old daughter, her parents. They all recognized her by she had a birthmark on her face, but I don't think she recognized her family. Okay, So I guess it was they attributed to her being zombiefied. Yeah, that zombification takes place like that. She was probably somebody slave for that three year period that she was gone. You know, she was doing something, might have been working or whatever the situation is. Here's the interesting thing about the so called zombies, whether they be living or dead zombies. You the number one thing you do not do is give them so okay. Salt comes by in two different ways, spiritual breakage and also drug breakage. In other words, they think that the salt, if it is a demonically driven zombie, a real true, living dead zombie, salt, which is a purifying agent, releases the spell over them, okay. Or if you are a living dead zombie, the salt counteracts the drugs in your system. Now there's a very faint of story, and I think Jamaica where this Bokor had like ten or twelve zombies working for him out in the sugar field. Sugar field. He would he would hire them out, make money on them, okay, and he that was the number one thing he would not. He would alive them to eat because these were living people. They had to eat to remain alive, okay, even though they were zombie fied. Okay, they had to remain alive. So he would feed them, but he would never give them any salt. But one day this lady messed up and put salt in their food, and all of a sudden, they all came to themselves and took off. They ran away and got away from this bocord, and he said, you ruined my my gang. You know that's you. You messed them up. You gave them salt when you should have done that. So it's interesting. We think that salt may counter act some of these drugs. And then on the spiritual side, salt, which is a non purifying agent, would definitely probably drive the spirit out of a body in that respect if they ingested salt. And the number one way to get rid of a zombie or to de zombi fy someone, whether they be living or dead zombies, is to mainly dead zombies is to sow, to fill the mouth with salt, sew the lips together. Hang this zombie over three white candles. I gotta hang him. That's kind of difficult to do this. I only don't't cooperate, right, You got to have him you've got to have three white candles under him, and that supposedly releases a spell on the zombi as well. But the salt is the main ingredient. Is you got to do and use that for Oh my gosh, salt sauce is so important as a spiritual tool in your toolbox, right, because you know what, I felt like I was under some energetic attacks this past week and not feeling well, and I had several people suggest that I sprinkled salce around my home and use use salt to combat salt. I use it a lot. I use a lot of im purification things. We call it casting the salt. You cast it, like I've told people, like if you're like clearing your area, like it's the room, you go to the center of the room and you use sea salt. Now, sea salt is supposed to be the very best thing, and you like you cast it to each corner of the room and then in the center, and thats supposed to cleanses spiritually that whole area that you're in. So salt is very well known cleansing agent. Absolutely, So basically we should all carry salt around with us wherever we go. Does it have to be a special blessed type of salt because they know on your show last week it was Friday night you were giving blessing or what did you call it, where you were blessing blessing objects and things like that and showing us how to do that and putting that good energy into stuff. Now, should the salt be blessed or can it just be the salt? It's more effective if it is definitely whatever you do, as long as it's blessed, it is usually more effective. But like I said, it has to be sea salt, and it has to be done in the correct minor usually. But I find it interesting. That's a lot works in Dezombification is a very very supposed to be a very spiritual time mineral. It is a mineral when you look at it that way, it is truly sea salt is a mineral in that respect. It is very interesting. I have I have had investigations Yessica that were very bad, and they were very bad, demonic type of investigations. I would have to use utilized salt circles. That's where you make a complete circle of salt and if they peep, someone is attacked very badly by these spirits, you can take them into that circle and it actually sort of alleviates the problem of the attack going on against them. So salt is very beneficial. Okay. Well, I'm gonna start carrying salt in a in a necklace in a little while, okay, And I'm gonna and it also and also get rid of slugs. Just kidding. Yeah, that works. Yeah, so nothing else. You got something to protect you from slugs as well. But this is actually I know we're I'm joking right now, but this is very serious. Okay. This is a very serious topic, very dangerous. I mean, there are countless stories of people being taken and being used as zombies and as slaves here, especially in Painite that I was reading about it. It's so bad. Okay. The clinical findings in the three cases of zombifications, okay, it says that the United Nations has been concerned with zombification for quite some time now. This is the UN Okay, compares it to AIDS and says that the act of turning someone into a zombie using vodo not voodoo, but vodoo is classified as a crime under the Haitian Penal Code Article two four six. The text from the Haitian penal code translated from French is zombification is considered I'm gonna say, murdered considered murder unliving in pat Okay, that's pretty bad. Yeah, well, you know, and here's another thing, Joseph, because I can, I think it was in the thirties and forties, the government, the United States government sent teams to Haiti and Jamaica to trying to find out exactly what drugs these folk corps were using. We knew know the puffer fish was part of it as well, but there are other drugs involved as well. Why did they want to know that? You know, you got to ask that question, why were they so interested in that? And I know, without a doubt in modern science, it's still investigating the properties of this drug for use in dombification. The government, of course, is good at weaponizing anything like that, and that's the way they roll. And so, you know, to me, that's fascinating. Why are they so interested in that? I believe they have a very vested interest in it because it would make terrific super soldiers, it would make great agents, it would have absolute control over people. That's what the government always likes. And so zombi vacation has a role a lot of that. Oh well, I want to go back to this comment from Cosmic Joe Chronicles. Thank you for pointing this out. It's a good point. About ten to twenty years ago, I can't remember how long. It's been a while, there was an outbreak of people eating people's faces off down in Florida. I remember this off of bas salts. Okay. Now, I know this is kind of a weird topic right here, but it counts because they were considered to be kind of zombie like and they were. And these people were reportedly taking bas sauce. I guess they inhale them through their nose or something. I don't know how they take them, but maybe snorting something and then going after people and eating their flesh. Okay, and around there was in law enforcement at that time, Jessica and so also of these people under the influence of some of this stuff and what it is. It doesn't it's not like the Hollywood Tommy. They weren't out trying to eat people. They were just intensely violent and they would attack you anyway possible. And look at the human being. What's this number one weapon? Physical weapon is the teeth. That's what they're going to go after you with. They're going to do some biting and tearing, and definitely, yeah, that's the way that goes. And you know, even apes, apes like chimpanzees and all that we know, we've heard of the stories of that they will tear your face off. That's that's the number one weapon of primates and humans of the teeth and the brain, but the teeth of the physical weapons. To me, that that that goes. Of course, and I want to tell you this, I've seen people under all different kinds of drugs. People they are some of that's some of the most dangerous situation you will ever be in because you do not know what they going to do next. You cannot anticipate what they are going to do because they are not definitely in their right minds. They become less than human and more animalistic in their output. And that's what you were seeing with the ba Sauce. I love that well. I think Area fifty one had mentioned that the people were actually stronger than normal humans too, and that's what happens when they are on any kind of amphetamines or some kind of drug like that. So you know, the release is more adrenaline in your system, and we know that people that they have a higher adrenaline thing and pick up automobiles off of people. In certain reggerlations, you do not truly know how strong you can be. And then under that kind of an influence, you know, I actually did that when I was fifteen, I think I was fourteen or fifteen. I was in a really bad ATV accident and uh, my cousin was driving, my sister was sitting in the middle, and I was hanging off the back of this four wheeler and it flipped. We got to go in too fast in the middle of nowhere in the woods, and the thing flipped over and over end with us songs and I it was a it was a terrible accident. But I came to. We all we all were knocked out. And when I came to, I was hanging from the handlebars by my shirt. My sister was down the road, landed on her head, and my cousin was under the four wheeler and so and the further was still running and the engine was very hot, and she was screaming. So I got pulled myself up off of the handlebars and I lifted the four wheeler up and she rolled out from under it, and my my dad and my uncle neither of them could lift that four wheeler up at all. By We'll do that. Yeah, it gives you almost like super bowers. I've seen that happened. You can do things under durest that you will never normally did, and especially under drug influence, because it does something. It's a chemical reaction in the brain. When we are at our sales, Jessica, and that's what you look at with zamosigation. When we are at our true sales, we realize limitations, or we put limitations on our sales in some ways, and when the drugs remove those limitations, anything had happened, really, and that includes natural drugs in your system, like a drilline fluid that goes with that too. Okay, John Fortman or cocoa, Hey, hey, coco, what's up? Autopsy's actually found the face eater guy was not drugged, So that would that would make it even more weird. Okay, if that's the case, and if you didn't have bassalts or whatever, that would make it even more weird. But anyways, there's no doubt there is a drug aspect to some of this to absolutely a lot of it and uh and and it was so bad that in Haiti they made laws against this. Okay, if you zombie phi a person. So I don't know, I mean I want to I'm trying to think of like urban legends here in the United States where that's happened, you know, uh, reanimating corpses, using them for evil deeds. I mean, there was a time during I think I was during World War two. You know, during that era, some of the German scientists were known to play around with reanimating corpses. I've talked about that before. There's been a lot of that down through the centuries, not just in the Voodoo religion, but in the dark hearts worldwide, the reanimation of corpses and part of necromancy, and you know I've talked about this before, was to get the dead to whisper to you. You supposedly got a communication from the other side to the dead. Uh. That was part of thatmancy. Uh. There's supposed to be some rituals that will allow you to reanimate a corpse for a few minutes so they can tell you something or tell you where the treacher is buried. Or whatever the situation. Uh, there's a lot of stories about this. I think one of the most starkest aspects of voodoo is the fact that they are able to reanimate a true corpse and have it walk around and do what they want to do. That is the supreme, the absolute supreme epitome of voodoo magic to get something like that, because you have then complete control over the spirits if you can give them to reanimate it, even if it's the body of a dog or a cat or a person or whatever the situation is. If you have that much control with the demonic spirits they work with, then you have you are supreme bocor you do things that O well, Dennis, there is a very well known case of a gentleman in Haiti named Clarvius Narcis Okay, who claimed to be a zombie. And this is actually I put this picture up because this is Harvard Magazine, like Harvard University says zombie Okay, Zombie. Clarvius Narcis was a Haitian man who claimed to have been turned into a zombie by Haitian vodu and forced to work as a slave. The hypothesis for Narcissu's account was that he had been administered a combination of psychoactive substances which rendered him helpless and seemingly did The greatest proponent of this possibility was Wade Davis, a graduate student in esno botany at Harvard University who published two popular books based on his travels and ideas during and immediately following his graduate training. Subsequent examinations failed to support the presence of the key active compounds in the supposed zombie preparation, which was central to the phenomenon mechanism reported by Davis. Okay, so they prove it. But perfect example. That's the perfect example of a living zombie. Uh. He never really truly died. It just made him look like he was dead. You know. That's the living zombie. But then you as opposed to the living dead zombie, which is a reanimated corpse. Yeah, there you go. Well, I'm gonna tell you that something about the the reanimated corpse zombie. He would get to looking like that after a while because deterioration is still going on. This is a dead body, okay, and deterioration is still going A living zombie will not do that. You've got to give them food, water, you got to keep them alive because they are still a living organism. But if you're dealing with a dead organism like the true zombie, the true risen dead, walking living dead zombie, uh, they're gonna rot eventually. I hate say that they're gonna They're gonna get bad. Things are gonna go bad. Yeah, eventually. I wrote a story one time. This was just a story about the fact that they I actually sent a zombie to murder somebody, and zombies, the whole thing is all the board. You can get the zombie to do whatever you wanted to do, whether like I said, it's murder, working to feel, steal something for you, or whatever is in it. But you gotta look at what the living dead zombie is a little more constrained than the actual live zombie. Okay, the actual human zombie. The dead one is not gonna be as reanimated. It's not gonna be Like I say, if I had my choice and I wanted a zombie to do something, I would probably send the human zombie and not the living dead zombie. Okay, because the human zombie is more flexible and more easier and looks more human. But if you were to see a walking living dead zombie, just like you see in some of these TV shows, movies and walking dead on that, you're going to recognize them right off because they look very bad and you know they they're curiating. And that was a yeah. So I'm sitting here all the my brain's working over time. Okay, so I'm thinking about the black eyed children. Okay, like, could there be a connection between black eyed children and zombies? Are they totally different? Well, they do have a zombia. They do act a little bit like their's zomba side. That's a very strange way they do things. But uh, there's been a lot of speculation on that. And you know there are black eyed people too, not just children. Seeople have actually seen. It makes you wonder if these people are not under some type of the influence of some sort Yeah, yeah, you have to wonder about that. And uh, here's the other here's a here's the interesting thing about it. Uh, even evil spirits and things like that. They have a set of rules, sort of a loose set of rules things that they go by spiritually. And of course they have to ask your invitation. You have to invite them, you have to let them in, and they realize that because you have that authority. A zombie, on the other hand, would not unless it was a demonically driven zombie, would not have to have an invitation to come in your house. Okay, they could just walk right in your house. You're dealing with a different anomal altogether. But now when you come to the black Eyed the black Eyed children especially, you've got that almost vampire like evil spirit thing going on. I have to wonder about that because you know, are they under some kind of magical influence? Are they being sent as agents out to do things to people? You know, that's the possibility. So I just made another connection. So I'm trying to I'm gonna pull up a picture as soon as I can, as soon as my computer will work, because I'm we're talking about this. I started thinking about, uh, these zombies in movies, okay, and I watched this really interesting movie a while back, a couple of years ago. There's a movie called get Out. Okay, and I'm not sure if the audience is familiar with this, but it's called get Out. Let's see if I can find it here here do here's here's a picture. This is the main one of the main characters, and Uh. And he goes to meet a family. And he goes to meet a family. It's kind of similar to what we're talking about with these zombies. He goes into meet his girlfriend's family and his mom is I'm gonna say she's a psychiatrist or something like that, like she's some kind of she she knows mind control, Okay, and uh, and so she ends up hypnotizing him. I'm not trying to give the movie away, but it's like a hypnosis kind of thing. But what they do is like they would make people into slaves, Okay, to do things for them, to work for them, to be their housekeepers and to do that stuff like that. And it sounds very much like what we're describing right now in that movie. Okay, and there's even Okay, and there's another connection as well, Dennis. Uh, there's and I'm not sure the validity to all of this, but there was a gentleman who had gone missing, who was a model or I think it was Balinciaga, Okay, and uh and in his his family couldn't find him, and somebody was walking past a storefront and saw a mannequin of him sitting there in the window that looks so lifelike. It was the missing person, okay, but people were really baffled as to like, well, it looks like it's alive, but he's not moving. Okay, he's not moving, and this is the missing person sitting there. So could could that guy have been zombie fied? Bye? Whatever? That it could be fun. Let me say something. Let me say something about a dark witchcraft of the darn art sorcery or whatever name you want to give it. Uh, it's number one precept is to get control over someone with mesmerision. They can mesmerize you or whatever how they do it. They want to get control over someone or the situation. That's what it's all about, manifesting control. And that would be the perfect way to do. If you wanted to zambify someone to get them to do something or buy to your will, or whatever it was you wanted them to do, that would be the perfect way to go. But now, to answer your question was asked just shortly ago, possession of a dead body is the same as possession of a living body. If it's demonic, it's just two different cases all together. And you've got the living and the dead. They can, they can possess both, but though they like the living much better. They are usually put in the dead by the bokor or the voodoo priests or whatever. They're usually put there. It's sort of like a dibbit box walking around on two legs. Okay, in that respect, it's a container for the dawn experience. But now the demonic loves to possess the living a whole lot more than the dead. They're they're more like that because they can use the living much better than they can the dead. Uh. That's the interesting thing about that. But when you get to when you get to zombification, you got to remember the number one precept as ollegation is absolute percent control over that person and anxiety, soul, mind and everything. You're controlling them. But they're just a puppet on a string for you. That's what they are. Oh yeah, the hypnotherapist. That's right. It makes you, It makes you kind of wonder you know people, Oh man, I hate to say this, but people who even in the secret space program or even in our military, or people who have been and I'm not saying the military. I love our military, okay, but I'm saying, like, maybe I'm just looking at like people who can be going to therapy and stuff, let's just say, and be programmed, okay, like be programmed to be super soldiers or to be whatever they're being programmed to be. It's kind of like, I mean, we kind of joke around sometimes, right Dennis, about oh the sheeple are just mindless zombies, right, the sheeople. And that's like people who just you know, watch the news still and and aren't really awake to a lot of stuff that's going on around us, you know, the zombies. And I don't know, I mean, I feel like sometimes I feel like I am living in a zombie apocalypse. Think about this. Yes, again, this is a non sight. A lot of people you don't never hear about this very much. A lot of people don't know it. But back in World War Two, the Nazi soldiers were almost like zombies. They were on in s, they weren't sleeping, they were constantly in battle. And guess what our side was too. We were giving infantamins to our soldiers. Okay, this was going on, and this has been like that. Even back in ancient times, the Romans were given certain types of wine before the battle to strengthen them their resolve, as they called it. This is drug use, that's all. It is pure and simple in that respect. And that's why I said earlier the government would have been so very interested in the things that they were doing to Zambi five people, because that would make a perfect army when you think about it. And some of that went on, I mean in real life with the ancientamines and stuff that they were given them by. And we do know that most of the Vietnam War was fought my people who were probably under direct influence of some very interesting drugs. So that's the way armies work, you know. You know, you's that old saying about borrowing courage, you know, the courage in the bottle. Yeah, we have to wonder why why are all these drugs being pumped? And I hate to say this, but like there's a lot of stuff being pumped into the general public. You know, why is this allowed to happen, you know, with the fitting all and things like that, I mean it is it's creating zombies. I mean, you can see I see videos quite often of people in the big cities. Okay, let's say the big cities living on the street and they look like zombies. Okay, because a lot of the people, unfortunately are taking I don't know, drugs and stuff I guess and uh, and it's it's just really it's really scary. Okay. It makes me want to go live up in the mountains in a cabin by by a cave. Okay, get away from everything, everything, but take them and go live on the mountain top and hold them mountains against what's coming. You know. Yeah, we talked about that before, Jessica. You know, if if the scenario worked out, I could see this as being true that the next the next disease I break that we have or something like that. I have to word myself carefully here because certain people don't like us talking about certain things. But let's say the next contagion that arives could very well be one that affects the human brain to the extent that it would turn us into zoms. I'm not saying fleash eating zombies, but turn us into zombies very much like the Madcale disease and stuff like that that we know exists in nature. It's not that far fetched that something like that could not happen, that we could actually have a zombie apocalypse. Oh yeah, we could well cure in quantum go time. Thanks for being here. She says. Prion disease was created to specifically make rain dead zombies. Now, I fact I'm mistaken. I think deer deer get prion disease, right, And that's the that's an issue very much kind of like mac out disease in some aspects it is. And like I said before, I know without doubt they've experimenting on this for for many decades now, Uh, in the ways that you, like I said, you would want to weaponize something like this. Uh, what you're looking at is a perfect military and the governments of the world would like that. Definitely. If you could put soldiers in the field that were zombies, you would have a very big disadvantage over your m oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely for sure. We've got some great comments in here today too, So shout out everybody in the live chating day y'all are y'all are funny and awesome too. A lot of a lot of great information here, and yeah, a lot of a lot of references to super soldiers and super soldier programs and yeah, I mean I have no doubt that there are people being We've got ultra mind control. Okay. And it is in the media. It's in everything we do. It's in our music, it's in our television shows, it's everywhere. Okay. So uh, everybody at some point has encountered it. Okay, And it could be And you said it the right you said control. Okay, you said control. And there are there are experiments, yessica where they have used sound to disrupt the chemical properties of the human brain. Yeah. Think about that a moment. You're looking at another form of zombification here. They could they could, like you know, send out these frequency sound ways through a battalion of soldiers or something, and they get them to feel no more pain or no fear. Like I say, this is a perfect army that you're looking at. This is a this it would have to be one of the greatest weapons mankind could ever produce on the field of battle and war. Yeah, oh yeah. And a lot of these remote viewing targets that I do that you would think had nothing to do with sound frequency as a weapon. It has sound frequency weapons against humans. Okay, So it does happen. I mean, we have things like harp This is for entertainment purposes only by the way everyone. Okay, we have things like harp and other like weather manipulation. I guess you could call them weapons. I don't know, a lot of battles, a lot of battles in war have been lost because of weather things, and that's another weapon. They wanted. They wanted to get a handle on all weapons so they could weather, so they could control that for the battlefield. That's very essential. Uh. You know, there were a lot of battles back in World War Two that we weren't able to stop the Germans and all that with because of the weather didn't cooperate. It is our plans couldn't fly or our men couldn't march out. So if you can control the weather, that's another weapon, just like zombi location would be one as well. You're looking at weaponization on a much higher scale and level than people really dream of. What's going on. And I know without a doubt, as we're living in breathing right now and we're not zombies, we're living in redbople we know without a doubt the government is interested in these things. I said this the other day. You cannot have a government without his secrets. The government has his secrets, it has to be that way though. Unfortunately, even George Washington knew that at the beginning of this country, he had spies everywhere, he knew the secrets that were going on, he knew how to run it. That's just the way governments had to work. But let me tell you this, and I'll say this to everybody listening today. The technology that you have in your hands right now, what we're talking on here today, while we're using the technology that we have, I guarantee you without a doubt, it's fifty years behind what the government has. Yeah, oh yeah, there's no doubt. There may be more, actually, yeah, maybe more. Okay, Well, I wanted to cover a couple of other things with you today before we go, of course, talking about the black magic aspect. Okay, that would have to do with voodoo, okay, But mostly what we've been talking about is like people being poisoned, okay, to become zombies. But there is a ritualistic aspect to all of this, right, because there's a magical aspect to turning people into zombies, and I guess that would be putting another spirit into a vessel, a human empty vessel. Basically, Well, there are certain rituals Uh, and I won't get into that. Uh, there's certain things and there's certain things I know that people don't really need to know. But anyway, there are rituals. There are rituals where you can actually murder someone on an altar, it's a blood sacrifice, and then turn around and give that body to the powers of darkness that you did that for. Put it that way, and they will take that body as an offering. Uh. That can that can be. That can include unfortunately, children or an older people, adults, whatever the situation is. Uh, that is a dark, dark aspect of this black magic that we're talking about. This is necromancy. And like I said before, among the annals of dark magic, the worst that you can do is necromancy. That's the messing around with the dead, animating the dead, and do any of the other things, talking to the dead or whatever the situation is. Necromancy is the really top level of bad stuff. Okay, that's just the way that goes. And there are rituals that just like there are rituals to turn you into an animal, and there are true rituals that will do that. There is a way to do that, just like the skin walkers do the wareols do and all that stuff. This is all based in dark witchcraft. Okay, that's what this is. This is all based in that, and there are certain ways to go about it, but they are horrific and horrendous things that you have to do. These are things that are not very nice at all that you have to do to get this. And zymification is one of those things. So that's the reanimation of the dead. The bad part of it is when you start out to reanimate, you got to have a corpse or do you think you get the corpse at you either go dig it up or you freshly murder someone. I get it, you know. That's the way that goes Congress. That's terrible. That's terrible. I had to ask. I hate asking stuff like that because I know it's going to be dark, but it's stuff that we need to know. That's why we're here today. Okay, so that's what we need to know. Now. Also, what about zombie clones? Okay, because I was reading up on zombie clones and I'm not sure if I totally understand the concept, but that's a thing. Well, what you would have would be a group of people that are cloned Okay, let's just say we I'll use you. For example, Let's say we cloned a bunch of Jessica's. Okay, we've got to have the mindset of all these Jessica's. Okay, We've got to give you a high mine. In other words, we want you to all act the same way and do what needs to be done and work in coordination. That is a high mine. And that's how you sort of ZOMBIEFI clones to get them to do what you want. That's like what you said before that age old question. Do clones really have a soul? You know, you have a wonder about that. But they all have mines definitely, okay, And we got to look at the way they would zombify those mindes to turn it into a either physical organism itself. So they have to have a high mine. They have to be clone. You would have to zombify them in order to do that, so they'd all be on the same Wayne Lee wavelength that they need to be on. Oh my god, I couldn't imagine a bunch of hive minded Jessica Jones the crypted Huntresses. Okay, like a bunch of I do not want to clone army. Okay, I mean, but even if movies like Star Wars, don't they have a clone army and stuff. I mean there's clones, there's armies. I would love that. Yeah, I would love to have a clone Jessica, go do that. I need to get done while I'm doing something else. Yeah. Oh my gosh, smar famous people like actors and stuff. And I'm not saying they're all good people. They're just actors and stuff. But people who are in movies and some of her pop stars have clones. Okay, Yeah, you know, it's been speculated that Pewtin has clones. It's been speculated that certain people in power have clones. You know, even back in World War two, and we're talking about that earlier, Hiller had doubles. There were like, I think about seven or eight of them that they went around in place with him because he was you know, they tried to assassinate him one time it failed, and after that he had doubles that went out. We do know this happens. Pewton is actually double has been caught in certain certain situations of doing stuff for him. He would he wasn't really there. He was still in the Kremlin. H it is a fact. But you know, man, if you can't make the clones, you'll you'll get as close to one as possible. That includes plastic surgery or whatever his situation might be, or some of these very realistic masks that they now have that the CIA has utilized, and all that. You're getting into some really strange territory. Absolutely, Oh yeah, you do. I mean I don't know what's what anymore. I don't. And you see I mean those yeah, those rubber masks. It's like full body masks basically, Yeah, you can put on and I mean, god forbid, I mean somebody puts one of those and goes it commits all these crimes, and you know, and maybe it's a three D print out of your body, you know, like me or you, and so people think it's us, but it's somebody with the skin. You know. Let me give you a scenario here. Think about this. Now, this is going to be disturbing to a lot of people, But think about this. What if there are certain dark government agencies that have these I will call them clone zombies. These people they can send out that sow or so we say in doctrinate. It's so control. They can go out and do these some of these mass shootings, mass killings to persway public feelings about things, to sort of manipulate public outlook on things. And not just mass killings. They can do other acts as well, acts of even espionage and sabotage. These are weapons that are used. Jessica, this is I mean, this is not may believe. They do these things, and they do it well. They have these we call them sleeper agents. And listen to this. It could be you and you wouldn't even know it, and one day you got a phone call or a text on your phone that activates your indoctrination, that activates you from being a sleeper into a full blown agent that you need to do something. This is not This is not science fiction. This is real. This is fact. This can be done. We have right now, I guarantee you in this kind of we have sleeper agents, lommy clones if you want to call them that, whatever name you want to give them, who are waiting perhaps for that message to come down for they signal to do what they need to do. Uh, just think about on our border. Just this past year, over thirty thousand Chinese men across our border. What are they here for Yeah, you got to ask the questions you gotta ask. Yeah, you got it. You gotta wonder. And uh and you know, I've I actually have friends. I have at least two good friends of mine who claimed that they believe they're clones, that they have been cloned and uh and they're actually living their consciousness, been in a new body, Okay and uh And I I believe them. I have no reason not to believe them. Okay and uh. And these two gentlemen both are in the secret space programs and uh and still still could be for all I know. But they claim it there and they are there. You never know. Oh, you know, they're just like me, They're just like you. And they mean a bad part. That's the bad part when you think about it, Jessica, that's a bad part of it all. You wouldn't know it that you were. I mean that, that's that's bad. I mean, that is the ultimate invasion of privacy. Think about it, the ultimate invasion of ivancy. It would Dennis Roger Blair has a He has a question. Wouldn't Frankenstein's Monster be considered a zombie in a way? Yes, But yet he still had his own way of doing things. He still had his own outlook. He was a thinking creature. He was not completely under doctor Frankenstein's control. Okay, completely, Well it seems like a zombie to me. That sounds zombie ish, you know. So a bunch of dead basically a bunch of dead body parts right stuck together. So wow, there're supposedly they're supposedly and we won't get into that today to make a show for another time. There are supposedly certain agencies that are going around getting body parts. We won't get into that, but that it's supposed to where a lot of people disappear to they are parts for potential clones or whatever. Supposedly, that's part of why there's so many missing persons cases in certain areas, and a lot of this that goes on supposedly instigated through these black mysterious dark black vans that people say are seen in the site and they usually have no tags on them, and only things I know that run without tags are governing the vehicles, by the way, but they can get away with running without tags. I have actually been followed by these black vans on occasion. But some of these black vans supposed to being seen around we're missing cases. Persons in person cases have been instigating. You have to wonder what's going on in that. Is there some kind of trade in body parts, some kind of ritualistic weird stuff going on here, or what are they using that for poems or what? You know, this is an interesting question. Okay, this is gonna sound kind of far fetched. Okay, but this came up in my remote viewing data for Old Green Eyes up in Chickamauga. Part of my remote viewing data was, you know, this this entity was seen eating the corpses of the dead soldiers on the Civil War battlefield, and my data said that it actually was a body part trader, like intergalactic body part trader. It sounded totally off the wall. And I didn't even I don't even think I talked about that on my show that I did on it because it sounded so outlandish. Okay, but is it that outlandish? I mean, there there are there is human body part trafficking going on. Okay, oh yeah, and you know and Black and Dark Magic, there are certain rituals that require certain body parts to look at that as well. Yeah, and I mean the rabbit holes are so deep on this show. Sometimes and who listened to Martina, thank you so much for that supersticker. I appreciate that so much, very much. Thank you. And Bigfoot Michigan Rob, thank you for that supersticker too. Yeah, thank you for being here. That's awesome. Yeah, it's uh yeah. Some of the things that I've studied and it's come up in my data's things that I've researched, they sound so outlanded back then, but now, knowing what I know now, it's like, wown, I don't think it's that crazy anymore. I had I have had. I have heard of people r ving or remote viewing and they have been blocked by something. Sometimes you may have experienced this as well. You get blocked by something, and I think these are dark forces that are blocking some of these people out because there are definitely some things they do not want you to see. Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's definitely some some cases that I've had like that. And yes, I actually have a really good remote viewing case coming up tomorrow night for everybody with our chem Ra who was part of the secret space program where he recalled being on a starship as he called it, and he he believes he worked as like a time cop okay, like a time cop, a time warrior. I have a lot of this time stuff that keeps coming up in my everyday life. Okay, but he gave me some blind remote viewing targets and we're going to talk about those tomorrow night. It's gonna blow your mind. So y'all better be here for that. If you have another interesting aspect of darn magic, whatever you want one name you want to give his sorcery, which another interesting aspect of that, just because the ability to move through time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're hear too much talk about that, but that is that is another There are supposed rituals that will enable you to move through time independent of other people's time. It's strange, it's kind of it's called transfixing. It's called transfixing realities. You're supposed to can move through time. Like if I were moving through I could move through time around you. You would be completely still, but I would be moving. So I'm moving in a different, completely different time corridor than you are. Supposedly there are magic rituals that will do this. Uh so you're talking about a form of magical time traveling things. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I heard my own voice say time travel from across the woods one night when I was out doing research. Okay, so I'd like to think I got my hands on some time travel technology in the future, but maybe not. Maybe it was a dare I say, a skin walker or something. I don't think so, I think it was me. I think it was. Well, there's a concept, Jessica that says you can time travel with your mind, your spirit, and not your body. It's almost like an astral projection type thing, but you're time traveling in that respect. And some people say they have seen things like that, or have experienced things that they could not have ever done in the physical body that they have done spiritually. Time traveling spiritually. That's kind of a strange subject. Yeah, well, it's kind of remove youing. I guess it's not much differently astral traveling and stuff too. And Amy, I love you too, Amy, thank you so much for that supersticker. Appreciate that. That's very sweet. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think we've covered a lot of the zombie topic today, Dennis, Is there anything else that we haven't covered today? I mean, we've really dive deep into this today. I think, Yeah, like I said, we have to realize that when you talk about the zombies object, you're talking about different types of zombies, different ways to get zombies. Some of them may be leaving, some of them may be dead. They don't go around usually eating people. That's the loos. But that's Hollywood. That's the Hollywood zombie. And I tell people when we ever talk about zombies, you gotta kind of you got to kind of put the Hollywood zombie out there by itself, because that's a completely different animal altogether. But the interesting thing about the zombie is that the human factor of a Jessica. You're dealing with human or what once we're human beings or maybe again human beings. You're dealing with humans on a very basic, very personal level when it comes to zombies. That's what you remember. Definitely. Oh yeah, okay, So I mean we've got to really check. I mean, I don't know if this is like such a big issue in the United States, but in Haiti, Man, I mean, they had to make laws against zombie find people humans. They had to do that, So I would I would think that here in the United States, you know a lot of people when they when they died, they have to get what was it called an autopsy? Okay, So I would assume that they're they're checked for vitals pretty well before they do that and stuff. So I don't know, it's all very more good. It's always like the mirror of tasts. You know, you put the mirror of there. So if you're getting your read on that, uh, I would want you to make sure. I was very completely going, you'll put me under less. But a lot of people weren't very specific with that, especially in some of these you know, third world countries like Haitian and Jamaica and all that they did to have good doctors, they didn't have good medical facilities like we have fortunately, and that a lot of that went on. So I don't know if you could get away with ZOMBI find a lot of things that way. Now in this country or even in the more modern day world, when you have more of different medical facilities and people out in the field doing stuff, it would kind of be hard to slip a zombie past some of these people, but it could still be reasonably be done. But like I said, that's the most fascinating one thing of all about zombies. They are real, they are real, They're real, like Anti Venom says. The takeaway is to keep sea salt on you at all times. There you go, yeah, tas salt. I got some right here, I got something right here on my day. I's just engaged. Oh man, Yeah, I want to sprinkle some extra salt in my fries with some garlic, okay, to keep the vapi is away too, and uh yeah, you know hurlic salt. That's right. Yeah. But when I when I think of voodoo, I do think of New Orleans here in the United States. That would be like the voodoo capital of the US in the opinion, and they do have they're known for not only the voodoo, but like vampires, right, so I wonder, like, yeah, if that goes hand in hand, you know, the zombies vampires seems a little scary to me. It all has a black magic connection, it does, like, yeah, that dark witchcraft stuff. And here's the ansteresting thing about zombies, lamis and all that vampires are recognized by the way in the Voodoo religion. But now in New Orleans that's mostly a tourist thing. Now, I'm sure there's some real stuff that goes on. Well, what I saw all that time when eyewitness was the real thing. It wasn't not a tourist thing. A lot of this tourism stuff and you are especially uh is you know, put on this may believe a lot of it's not the real stuff. When you talk about the real stuff and you get into that aspect of it, and you're getting into some very very dark territory without a doubt. And like I said, necromancy is the darkest of all. Uh. But even the vampires, Yeah, they have a place in voodoo as well, and where wos Salutaru has a place centers and also so you're talking about fantastically. But here's the interesting thing, Jessica that these things to me, I have found out in my own personal life, to my experiences that are that they are real. They're not make believe whether we once thought were like you know, products of Hollywood or stories turn out to be real. That is the most unsettling aspect of all. Oh my gosh, yes, thank you so much Marien for that super sticker. I appreciate that very much from you and gus. Give us a hope for me please and for me and Dennis. Yeah, it's very real. Vampires, vampires are real. H we're wolves everything, and it's all real. Okay, it's all real. The stuff of nightmares, right, the things that we were told were not real when we were kids are real. Yeah, we come to find that out. And that's kind of a disturbing factor when you think about it, that I would turn out to find out that our monsters really are real. But the worst monster of all, I think is the human being. And it's like that saying about the monster hunters, you know, said, the true monster hunter must always remember that he is one step away, always from becoming the monster himself. That's the way it goes with Yeah, that's the way it goes with monster hunters. Wow. Well, I'm a monster hunter and so were you and I. We got it. We have to learn about the dark stuff to know how to fight it, okay. And it's just like any anything. That's why it's so important to learn about demonology, okay. And and the fact that our government is so interested in this stuff too, just like with all demonology. Now, you said in a previous show that our government studies demonology and even takes furniture from like the exorcism house, you know, and things like that, and studies that stuff. I mean, so none of this is shocking to us anymore that our government would have a hand in some of this. That's like, you know, listen, I've said that about demonology before. That's another disturbing aspect of the demonology of the Exorcist movie and all that this stuff is real. It's not make believe. It actually does exist on a spiritual level, on a different plane. But it is there nevertheless, and it can badly affect us in some ways if we're not careful, and we need to realize that and understand it and deal with it, and shows like yours and hopefully mine and others like that will give people resources to look like on against these dark forces, uh, these negative forces that seek to overtake us in our lives and in our world. We try to It's like, you know, like being a ship. Let's see, you're okay, as long as you keep the water outside of the ship. Never let the water get in the ship. And that's the way it goes with negativity, these negative forces. Keep them outside, uh, and not let them in your ship. Definitely, Yeah, and be careful of people poking holes in your boat from the inside too. Absolutely. Words of advice Okay. We always we always leave the audience with words of advice. Okay, and that's that's my two cents right there. And Dennis, this has been another fantastic show. We've got Brown Dwarf smudging his phone right now, So you guys smudge your phones if you need to. Okay, show, I would like some Palo Santo shortly as soon as the show's over today, and and do some clearing and some cleansing today and and so and this is compliments of Marine and Gus. Thank you Marine and Gus for that. So yeah, this this is a fantastic We just need to know what we're looking, what we're dealing with, okay, what's out there and the truth behind it, Okay, the facts behind it. And that's why I love having you here. Dennis. You are the best. You really are the best. So thank you for being here today. Yeah. Can you tell the audience what you have going on? I know you have a show tonight on your channel. Okay, Well tonight on Hunting the Shadows, which will be nine o'clock Eastern UNDERD time. So now on Hunting the Shadows YouTube channel, I'm going to be talking about a reptile dysfunction. Yes, I said reptile dysfunction. And we're going to be talking about the true nature of reptilions, okay, and we're gonna get into that. And then Friday night, I'm going to be talking about on paranormal point of View. At nine o'clock AM, we're going to be talking about cursed objects. We did Blessed objects last week. We're doing cursed objects and we want to talk about those. And then Monday at nine o'clock PM with my good friend Gerald Founding, we're gonna be doing the Road Less Traveled. We're gonna be talking about one of my favorite ladies, Lizzie boarding Okay, Lizzie boarding with White White Whack, and we're gonna get Yeah, we're gonna get into that too. So we hope you'll enjoy us and like us, subscribe to us and join us for our discussions. Yes, I will be there for sure, and then you can find these shows on All the shows are on Hunting the Shadows on YouTube also on Midwest Night Watchers. We got Girl in the chat today too, so thank you Girl and Jane for always being here. It's much appreciated. So yeah, so that's tonight I believe it's at nine o'clock tonight. Is that correct? Awesome? And Dennis also is an author and has lots of books, and you guys can go find his books on his website Dennis Wcarrol dot com. So show some love, show some support to Dennis, you guys, and be sure to subscribe over on his channel. Okay, All right, Dennis, Well, thank you so much for being here. Another fantastic show, you guys. Please con y'all come see me tomorrow night. Oliver on here again and we're going to have our key raw uh with he was part of secret Space program Project Phoenix, the Montalk Project. We're going to be talking about and exploring some blind targets that he gave me tomorrow night. You don't want to miss it. Okay, So I will see you back, guys, back here again tomorrow night, and I will see you in the live chat tonight Dennis over on your channel. All right, thank you all so much for being here. Please get the salt. Get the salt, keep your head on a swivel and stay safe out there. I'll see y'all later. Have a great day. By day lay steam