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JUSTICE FOR CULT MOM LORI VALLOW VICTIMS - JJ , TYLEE & TAMMY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: The time is now.
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Speaker 3: The clock has finally ticked down on so called colt
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Speaker 3: Mom Laurie Valow it all started.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I was looking at my notes. I't want
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Speaker 2: to show you way back.
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Speaker 3: When when I was writing about as I called her
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Speaker 3: then doomsday cult mom, now cult Mom Laurie Valo and
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Speaker 3: brand new husband.
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Speaker 2: Chad Dave Bell.
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Speaker 3: And the very first thing I wrote was have chill
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Speaker 3: Thursday to produce their children.
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Speaker 2: That's how it all started.
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Speaker 3: When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they
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Speaker 3: go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult
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Speaker 3: that Laurie Valo had become enmeshed in and her prophet
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Speaker 3: lover turned husband, Chad Daybill.
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Speaker 2: That's how it all started.
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Speaker 3: When we couldn't find those children, that the search was on,
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Speaker 3: and we speculated, are they being hidden away with some
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Speaker 3: of the cult followers. Are they in some cave somewhere
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Speaker 3: or some obscure home with the windows boarded up?
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Speaker 2: And why? And actually that's what we hoped.
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Speaker 3: We hoped that, as bizarre as it was, these children
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Speaker 3: were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members.
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Speaker 2: As horrible as that would.
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Speaker 3: Have been, And then as the days, the weeks, the
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Speaker 3: months passed, we realized they weren't being hidden, that somewhere, somehow,
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Speaker 3: they were dead. All this happened while cult Mam Laurie
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Speaker 3: Valo and her new I Believe four fifth confusing husband,
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Speaker 3: the Prophet as he calls himself, Chad Daybell, had gone
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Speaker 3: to and had literally danced on the beach after their
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Speaker 3: wedding ceremony, taking wedding photos. You know how when you
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Speaker 3: get married, a lot of people go stage photos on
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Speaker 3: the beach.
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Speaker 2: They actually did that.
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Speaker 3: Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around
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Speaker 3: them and watching them. But what those people didn't know
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Speaker 3: is that back home, Jj entirely had been brutally murdered
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Speaker 3: and buried on the Prophet Chad Daybell's property, actually at
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Speaker 3: his pet cemetery.
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Speaker 2: That's where the children were.
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Speaker 3: Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,
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Speaker 3: what about Tammy Daybell. She conveniently died right before their
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Speaker 3: Hawaii wedding. Then the evidence began to unfold, including Coltman
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Speaker 3: Laurie Valo going on Amazon and buying a beach b
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Speaker 3: eacch wedding dress and ring.
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Speaker 2: Before Tammy Day Bell died.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure when the jury heard that their
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Speaker 3: heads were just spinning. Long story short, it proceeded from
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Speaker 3: there to an indictment for the both of them.
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Speaker 2: Court wrangling.
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Speaker 3: Their trials were severed under the law, which means they
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Speaker 3: were tried separately. The first to go to trial Colt
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Speaker 3: Mom Luri Valo soon to follow. We believe in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four will be her husband, the Prophet Chad at Debel.
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Speaker 3: We are waiting right now for finally, believe it or not,
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Speaker 3: I'm looking back at these notes, but we were still
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Speaker 3: looking for JJ entyly.
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Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
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Speaker 3: We've gone through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a
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Speaker 3: very longer torture was jury trial. So many people have
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Speaker 3: been affected by what Laurie Valo her husband the Prophet
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Speaker 3: Chad Dave Bell have done.
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Speaker 2: There are dead.
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Speaker 3: Bodies connected to these two. We still don't know the
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Speaker 3: answer to those. But right now all eyes trained on
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Speaker 3: a courtroom, but with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 3: make sense of what we know. Right now, Mark Tate
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Speaker 3: is joining me from the Tate Law Group. Mark has
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Speaker 3: tried many many cases, including homicide, saddling on the other
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Speaker 3: side of the fence. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining
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Speaker 3: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her
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Speaker 3: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining us,
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Speaker 3: director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective when
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Speaker 3: nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations, many
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Speaker 3: of which ended in a guilty verdict. I found him
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Speaker 3: at the interview room on YouTube and you can find
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Speaker 3: him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want to
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Speaker 3: go to a very well respected journalist, host of Hidden
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Speaker 3: True Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias. Lauren, we're
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Speaker 3: getting a sentencing today of caltmom Laurie Valo. I expected
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Speaker 3: to be life behind bars, hopefully to run consecutively, so
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Speaker 3: if she parrolls out on one, she's still got the
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Speaker 3: next one to deal with. But all eyes are now
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Speaker 3: looking beyond this courtroom as we wait for sentencing, onto
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Speaker 3: the trial of Chad day Bell. And I'm also curious
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Speaker 3: about the tip on the life of Brandon Boudreaux. But first,
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Speaker 3: what can you tell me about the prophet?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 4: I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad
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Speaker 4: day Bell. You know I'm actually in Rexburg right now, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: and we have been to his house. I have spoken
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Speaker 4: to jurors who now are dedicated to making sure we
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Speaker 4: have justice not just for Lori Valo da Bell, but
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Speaker 4: for her sidekick, her partner in crime, Chaddemol.
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Speaker 3: Hey, hold on right there, Lauren, I'm gonna I'm going
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Speaker 3: to come right back to you. But doctor Angie, I
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Speaker 3: want you to listen, especially to what Laura Matthias is saying.
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Speaker 3: Because Cole Mom and all of her Kookie beliefs was
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Speaker 3: still harmless until she got with Chad day Bill.
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Speaker 2: Then people started dying, Okay.
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Speaker 3: So that that singally effect he had on her is
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Speaker 3: something I'd like you, doctor Angie, to analyze. Mark Taite,
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Speaker 3: I want you to think about co defendants under the law.
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Speaker 3: And Chris McDonough. We've seen a lot of murders where
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Speaker 3: usually the man masterminds it and the woman goes along
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Speaker 3: with it.
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Speaker 2: What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, in this saga, I hear Nancy as
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Speaker 5: you've been talking about it from day one. This is
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Speaker 5: a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,
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Speaker 5: she seems to be the more dominant one over this,
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Speaker 5: you know, false prophet Chad, And it's really been interesting
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Speaker 5: to see that he's been just kind of you tagging along,
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Speaker 5: but he has a tremendous amount of influence.
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Speaker 3: But what, okay, get back on his satellite.
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Speaker 4: Yes, please do so. I actually think it was Chad's
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Speaker 4: belief system. Chad was a doomsday author. Chad had a
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Speaker 4: scale where he rated people light to dark. Chad would
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Speaker 4: decide if somebody was a zombie, and he is the
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Speaker 4: one who labeled Tyley, sixteen year old Tylie, Ryan Laurie's daughter,
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Speaker 4: a zombie, calling her dark, calling her evil. Chad was
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Speaker 4: the one setting the stage with his belief system, with
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Speaker 4: his books. He was the speaker at these conferences, these
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Speaker 4: preparing the people conferences where he would talk about the
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Speaker 4: end of the world and how we would have white
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Speaker 4: tents and we would have to shoot the zombies that came.
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Speaker 4: And so I actually think that, you know, thank goodness,
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Speaker 4: Lori Bellodabell is being sentenced today and think, goodness, you know,
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Speaker 4: I think you're right, Nancy. I think that we'll see,
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Speaker 4: let's hope for life, let's hope for two lives. But
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Speaker 4: we also in order to get justice for these children,
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Speaker 4: for these spouses that have lost their lives.
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Speaker 2: We need to make.
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Speaker 4: Sure we see this through until next year and see
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Speaker 4: and be there for Chad day Bell's trial too, because
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Speaker 4: these two, these two.
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Speaker 2: What they have done is horrendous.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think hearing Arimathiah speaking, who was there
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Speaker 3: in town, I guess that's Mark.
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Speaker 6: Take go ahead, Mark, Yeah, I was going to just
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Speaker 6: jump in for a moment. You had mentioned something about
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Speaker 6: us Bengali effect that this Chad dave Bell had, and
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Speaker 6: I think it really is interesting because you know, we
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Speaker 6: just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled, and I
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Speaker 6: think that, you know, these types of cult leaders are
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Speaker 6: known to be very charismatic, and they make the people
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Speaker 6: who are working with them believe they're doing what they're
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Speaker 6: doing voluntarily in support and so it really is a
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Speaker 6: control situation. And we have layered on top of that
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Speaker 6: with Chad Dabell, this underpinning of his religious beliefs, and
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Speaker 6: of course everything he was saying.
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Speaker 2: Is can you please stop? Mark te right there? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Tay Tay, Yes?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 2: Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?
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Speaker 6: No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, that was a one.
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Speaker 3: That was just a one word answer, because I don't
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Speaker 3: give a flying.
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Speaker 2: Fig whose Fingali is.
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Speaker 3: But when you are a mother and you would go
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Speaker 3: along with somebody's idea for you to kill your children,
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Speaker 3: you can go straight to h E double L all right,
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Speaker 3: because I'm not buying.
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Speaker 6: Commenting on his manipulative effect. I think he's clearly skilled
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Speaker 6: at it, and I think she was open to it sadly,
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Speaker 6: and I think obviously she's convicted, and you're right she
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Speaker 6: should go absolutely forever.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It'sy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to listen to our friend Rick
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Speaker 3: Leventhal joining us from Fox.
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Speaker 2: Take a listener. Cut to still more.
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Speaker 8: Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother
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Speaker 8: and sister. Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old
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Speaker 8: ty Lee haven't been seen since September. The kid's mother,
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Speaker 8: Lorie Valo, and her new husband, left for Hawaii about
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Speaker 8: three months ago. Valo and her new husband are members
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Speaker 8: of a religious group preparing for the biblical end of times,
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Speaker 8: and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her brother killed
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Speaker 8: her estranged husband last July. Then he died in December,
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Speaker 8: and her new husband's former wife died in October.
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Speaker 9: Authority served a search warrant on Dave Bell's home Tuesday,
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Speaker 9: leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is
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Speaker 9: too day sets of human remains in the backyard.
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Speaker 10: New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori
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Speaker 10: Valo case. Relatives of the Valo family say that the
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Speaker 10: human remains found at the Idaho home of Valo's husband,
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Speaker 10: Chad day Bell, are in fact Valo's children, Jj Vallo
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Speaker 10: and Tylie Ryan.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard if you're trying to parse
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Speaker 3: words and split hairs. Who is the mastermind between these two?
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Speaker 3: But burying the children's remains in Chad Daybell's backyard, I
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Speaker 3: don't know what kind of mastermind devised that. But it
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Speaker 3: wasn't that difficult for their remains to be found. We
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Speaker 3: had to get enough PC probable cause to search his property.
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Speaker 3: Calt Mom Lauri Valo apparently shackled at the hands to
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Speaker 3: the waste, can't tell about her legs, and we heard
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Speaker 3: at the beginning we believe Caltmam Lauri Valo maybe elocuting
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Speaker 3: what they which she has the right to elocution, which
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Speaker 3: means she can take the stand or speak from where
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Speaker 3: she is and speak to the court about what she
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Speaker 3: believes her since should be. If she does that, I
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Speaker 3: expect her to try to show remorse, although if she
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Speaker 3: does that, that's a real legal conundrum.
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Speaker 2: If she expresses.
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Speaker 3: Remorse about her part and the murders of her children,
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Speaker 3: JJ Tiley and Chad Dave Bell's wife Tammy, an appellate
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Speaker 3: court could look at that and say, well, she's admitted guilt,
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Speaker 3: so we're not reversing this. We me an all star
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Speaker 3: pedal to make sense of what we heard right now.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it affected you guys the way
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Speaker 3: it did me, But during those witness impact statements, I
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Speaker 3: didn't know sometimes if I was going to cry, to
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Speaker 3: be angry. I literally wanted to strangle Coltman Laurie Vallo
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Speaker 3: as the prosecutor described the way that Tyley was the murder,
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Speaker 3: especially the part when he pointed out, yet again which
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Speaker 3: was already in autopsy reports, that there were stab marks
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Speaker 3: in Tyley's pelvic area that.
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Speaker 2: Were not consistent with dismemberment.
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Speaker 3: In other words, he believes this teen girl, gorgeous, young
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Speaker 3: girl who was a mommy's girl was stabbed dead. She
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Speaker 3: was stabbed prior to dismemberment. And when I heard that,
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Speaker 3: all I could think about is my little girl, Lucy.
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Speaker 3: Now they did not seek the death penalty, Holri Valle.
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Speaker 3: Not sure why, but that said, let me go straight
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Speaker 3: out to Mark Tate, joining us from the Tate Law Group.
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Speaker 3: I mean, right there, that would be a guaranteed life
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Speaker 3: without parole as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, absolutely.
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Speaker 6: You know you were talking about the witness impact statements,
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Speaker 6: the victim statements. I really I thought Samantha Gwilliam had
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Speaker 6: a very powerful statement, and you got to kind of
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Speaker 6: think about it and let it sink in. But when
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Speaker 6: she said I choose to forget you, I think that
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Speaker 6: I think that really is powerful, and I think that's
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Speaker 6: exactly the kind of thing that's going to sink deep
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Speaker 6: with that value woman.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I had thought.
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Speaker 6: That they did seek the death penalty, and this judge
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Speaker 6: said that he was preventing them from from pursuing it
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Speaker 6: because they didn't timely enough make a discovery disclosure. And
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Speaker 6: you know, it sure does seem like that this type
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Speaker 6: of person is the type of person who seems like
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Speaker 6: if we're going to have a death penalty in the
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Speaker 6: United States criminal justice system, this is an instance in
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Speaker 6: which it should should be applied. And why the state
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Speaker 6: had to suffer the loss of pursuing that, I'm not
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Speaker 6: sure I know that this gentleman was a prosecutor before
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Speaker 6: he went.
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Speaker 2: Lord had a speedy trial demand. Yea, Lord Vallo had
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Speaker 2: a spat demand.
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Speaker 3: So as the result of that to everybody, that to
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Speaker 3: everybody is when the defendant files a speedy trial demand,
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Speaker 3: you have to try the case within a certain amount
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Speaker 3: of months or there's an automatic acquittal.
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Speaker 2: So when it was ruled that there was a flaw in.
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Speaker 3: The notice of the DP death penalty and they had
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Speaker 3: to either seek life without parole or drop the case.
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Speaker 2: So markin Tate, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 3: I got to tell you the way that Rob Wood,
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Speaker 3: one of the prosecutors in this case, laid it out
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Speaker 3: so calmly, was very very persuasive. He heard Mark Tate,
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Speaker 3: markin Tate, high profile lawyer from the Tate Group.
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Speaker 2: Joining us out of Savannah. I want he mentioned Samantha Gilliam's.
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Speaker 3: Statement, let's take a listen to our cut seven exactly
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Speaker 3: what he was describing us.
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Speaker 2: We asked, what's her name, Bory Bryan? That was a lie.
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Speaker 2: That was two husbands ago. So I searched what happened
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Speaker 2: to your previous husband? She told us that he had
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Speaker 2: died from a heart attack. Lie ti from being shot?
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Speaker 2: I asked, are their children? I was told we will
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Speaker 2: be empty nesters. That's a lie. The police ask us
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Speaker 2: about missing children. Do you answer, the children aren't missing,
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Speaker 2: they're safe and happy. It's a lie.
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Speaker 11: Your children, your poor children, were dead and buried on
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Speaker 11: Chad's property. Do you plan the murders of your own children?
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Speaker 11: Your previous husband?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 11: Why plan something so a heinous? And you are a liar,
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Speaker 11: an adulteress, and a murderer.
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Speaker 3: Wow, you were hearing Samantha Gilliam speaking, reading at points,
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Speaker 3: crying at points, long sobs in between her statement. Incredible,
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Speaker 3: But there is more. I want you to listen to
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Speaker 3: our cut egg. Now, this is Vicky Hobin. I want
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Speaker 3: you to hear this. This is you know what. I'll
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Speaker 3: let her speak for herself. Listen to Vicky Hobin.
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Speaker 7: LORI sets here convicted and prepped for prison, and let's
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Speaker 7: be honest. The only question left is for how long?
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Speaker 7: Hammy lived her life, she supported her family in every way,
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Speaker 7: and for you to turn her home or she lived
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Speaker 7: and slept into a cemetery her two innocent and beautiful
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Speaker 7: children is one of the most horrific things I can
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Speaker 7: think of. Mammy would have been horrified to know what
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Speaker 7: you had done, and it has broken us as a family.
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Speaker 7: You are now going to pay the price, albeit never
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Speaker 7: sufficient in this life. It's all but we can do.
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Speaker 7: I hope that the life you lived is filled with
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Speaker 7: fear and that every day you are terrified, just the
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Speaker 7: way that beautiful Tylie lived in fear for hers In
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Speaker 7: Sweet JJ.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that was Vicky Hobman speaking, and when Kate Woodcock
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Speaker 3: began speaking, she listed out a series of numbers which
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Speaker 3: I didn't really know what she was talking about, but
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Speaker 3: only she would know what those numbers were. Fourteen hundred
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Speaker 3: days since I haven't seen JJ this day that she
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Speaker 3: had all measured out, basically dissecting and chronologizing the time
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Speaker 3: since the children first went missing, and they were missing
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Speaker 3: for several months before they were ever reported missing because
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Speaker 3: Koleeman Marty Vala kept lying about where they were with
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Speaker 3: me All Star Panel, Chris mc dunna is joining US
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Speaker 3: director Cole Kay's Foundation for mor homicide detective and star
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Speaker 3: of The Interview Room on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: You know, the prosecutor there at the end, Rob Wood
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Speaker 3: did something none of the other victim impact witnesses did,
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Speaker 3: and I think it's because they couldn't bear too. I
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Speaker 3: would make juries hear this. I didn't like it, but
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Speaker 3: I would make them here what happened to the murder
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Speaker 3: of victims and in this case, little Jjge seven, Tyleer,
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Speaker 3: a teen girl sixteen, what they endured at the time
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Speaker 3: of their deaths. And that literally made me want to
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Speaker 3: strangle Colt mom Lorie Vallei, who by the way, sat
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Speaker 3: there and hid behind her lawyers and looked completely disinterested.
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Speaker 3: One time, one time, Chris McDonagh, I saw her, very
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Speaker 3: briefly what her face with a tissue and oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you.
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Speaker 2: Saw this, Chris mcdoni.
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Speaker 3: But the lead defense attorney was wiping sweat off his
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Speaker 3: face throughout the sentencing, throughout the victim impact statements. He
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Speaker 3: was sweating bullets in that courtroom. But what did you
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Speaker 3: make of when Rob Wood described what these two young
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Speaker 3: people went through?
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Speaker 2: No jury really wants to hear that, but they have to.
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Speaker 5: Chris, Yeah, one hundred percent, Nancy. And it was riveting.
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Speaker 5: You know, I think one thing that the audience needs
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Speaker 5: to always get riveting.
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, riveting. I think of a movie or
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Speaker 3: a book as riveting. It made me sink to my stomach.
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Speaker 5: Chris, No, I agree one hundred percent. And that's where
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Speaker 5: I was going here. One thing we don't need to
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Speaker 5: forget is she she is a serial killer and that
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Speaker 5: I love the impact statement comment where this is about
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Speaker 5: a mother who kills her children and turned a home
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Speaker 5: into a cemetery. That is power from that victim's family.
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Speaker 5: And when we think about the horror that these children
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Speaker 5: had to endure, the you know, the child that's dise know,
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Speaker 5: cut apart, put into a plastic container and then buried.
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Speaker 5: And this poor little autistic child, this little boy whose
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Speaker 5: last photograph is taken at you know, your old faithful
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Speaker 5: she is evil to the core. I agree with you
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Speaker 5: one thousand percent.
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Speaker 3: You know when you said that that last picture at
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Speaker 3: Yellowstone during COVID, of course, when you couldn't go to
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Speaker 3: a hotel or fly, we rented this big ol' honk
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Speaker 3: and r V and took off across the country to Yellowstone,
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Speaker 3: and those were some of the happiest days when we
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Speaker 3: were there as a family together, you know, cooking out
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Speaker 3: on a fire. And I'm just thinking about those moments
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Speaker 3: that she had with her children, knowing full well that
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Speaker 3: she planned to murder them. And doctor Angela Arnold while
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Speaker 3: she's there, Angela, doctor Angie is a renowned psychiatrist. I
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Speaker 3: call her doctor Angie. But doctor Angie, the thought that
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Speaker 3: you were taking that picture, I mean, I've got all
22:31
Speaker 3: ours framed all over the house of us at Yellowstone.
22:36
Speaker 3: She knew at that time of that picture she was
22:39
Speaker 3: going to kill them. She knew what was going to happen,
22:42
Speaker 3: did JJ and Tyly?
22:43
Speaker 12: You know Nancy. That's why it's very important for us
22:47
Speaker 12: to realize that she is not capable of being rehabilitated.
22:53
Speaker 12: There is no rehabilitation in this woman's future. The mental
22:58
Speaker 12: health providers that have value waited her couldn't even come
23:01
Speaker 12: up with a diagnosis for her. Then we look at
23:04
Speaker 12: her today during the sentencing, and we watch a woman
23:08
Speaker 12: who cannot cannot bring any remorse out of herself, no
23:14
Speaker 12: shedding of a tear, nothing. She can't bring any remorse
23:18
Speaker 12: out of herself, and the first step in rehabilitation, Nancy,
23:23
Speaker 12: is to acknowledge what you've done and to have feelings
23:28
Speaker 12: associated with what you've done. So this woman is completely
23:34
Speaker 12: uncapable of being rehembed.
23:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, doctor Angie, I knew. I knew
23:40
Speaker 2: you were going to catch that.
23:41
Speaker 3: That in the PSI pre sentence investigation, and there's always
23:46
Speaker 3: a pre sentenced investigation and most jurisdictions is done by
23:50
Speaker 3: people at Pardner Parole because they are experts at sentencing.
23:55
Speaker 3: I knew doctor Angie was going to catch that when
23:57
Speaker 3: there was not even a plan of treatment for Colt.
24:01
Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo.
24:15
Speaker 1: Crime stories with me. It's a grace.
24:18
Speaker 3: I'm hearing in my ear that Laura Anthias wants in
24:21
Speaker 3: about the autopsy jump in Lauren.
24:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw
24:27
Speaker 4: the children on the crime scene or what was left
24:31
Speaker 4: of them, what was left of Tylie's pelvis.
24:32
Speaker 2: I saw it.
24:33
Speaker 4: I saw the stab marks in her pelvis. I saw
24:36
Speaker 4: JJ's face, and I saw the duct tape chin to
24:42
Speaker 4: chin covering his mouth, so I assume he couldn't scream.
24:44
Speaker 4: And I will never forget it. And I ran into
24:46
Speaker 4: a jury yesterday. They were out there at the memorial fence,
24:49
Speaker 4: and that juror is now in counseling because of what
24:52
Speaker 4: she saw during the trial. We sat there together. What
24:56
Speaker 4: happened to those children is beyond imagine. You can hear
25:01
Speaker 4: it over and over and over again, and when you
25:03
Speaker 4: see it, when you see it, the evil knows no bounds.
25:06
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to jump in and say that
25:08
Speaker 4: I will never forget seeing JJ and Tyly ever and
25:13
Speaker 4: what happened to them.
25:15
Speaker 3: You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and
25:19
Speaker 3: this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That
25:23
Speaker 3: would be in front of a jury showing them crime
25:26
Speaker 3: scene photos, couldn't show typically couldn't show autopsy photos of people,
25:33
Speaker 3: including children's bodies, and describing it for them and eliciting testimony.
25:39
Speaker 3: And I would have to steal myself not to just
25:43
Speaker 3: break down and cry. And the evil that can be
25:47
Speaker 3: committed on other people, much less children. Now I'm thinking
25:53
Speaker 3: about Tyley and the stab wounds into her pelvis.
25:58
Speaker 2: She was largely skeletonized.
26:01
Speaker 3: There was some tissue left, but that means that those
26:08
Speaker 3: stab wounds likely went through all the way to her
26:11
Speaker 3: bone and the way that she was disposed of. But
26:19
Speaker 3: I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a bucket
26:23
Speaker 3: full of basically, these children were rendered.
26:27
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that phrase? Mark Tate?
26:30
Speaker 3: Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate
26:32
Speaker 3: Law Group out of Savannah. Rendering rendering, that's what you
26:37
Speaker 3: what people do in slaughterhouses to animals, and they tear
26:42
Speaker 3: apart the body and try to get rid of it.
26:44
Speaker 6: No, you're exactly right now.
26:46
Speaker 2: We hear right right up here.
26:47
Speaker 6: The world capital of fruitcakes is is Claxton, and they
26:52
Speaker 6: have lots of chicken rendering plants there as well. And
26:55
Speaker 6: you're right, it's absolute destruction of the entire body. And
26:59
Speaker 6: so not only that you have here this you know,
27:01
Speaker 6: unbelievably vile, hateful, terrifying thing that's based on some kind
27:05
Speaker 6: of cult preaching or teaching, but you have this effort
27:10
Speaker 6: to try to, I guess, encourage more rapid decomposition of
27:15
Speaker 6: the body. So you know, folks have talked about whether
27:18
Speaker 6: this person is going to be rehabilitated. That's that's clearly ludicrous.
27:22
Speaker 6: That can never happen. We're talking about, is this sentence
27:24
Speaker 6: harsh enough and you know, really, to me, any rational
27:29
Speaker 6: person sitting back, if we're going to have the death penalty,
27:32
Speaker 6: this is a case where the death penalty is absolutely
27:35
Speaker 6: warranted and it seems like it screams out for it.
27:37
Speaker 6: We don't have that here, and so the second best
27:41
Speaker 6: thing that we can have here for this woman and
27:44
Speaker 6: the husband that she she married, I guess, is just
27:47
Speaker 6: absolutely I think, what the abomination of desolation where they're
27:52
Speaker 6: never heard from again, never thought of again, and just
27:55
Speaker 6: absolutely wallow for the rest of their existence and.
28:01
Speaker 3: Call it mom, Laurie Valo, I saw many times during
28:05
Speaker 3: this Mark Tate, you're a veteran trial lawyer.
28:08
Speaker 2: She looked as if she were trying to hide.
28:10
Speaker 3: Over behind her lead attorney, all sunk down in her seat,
28:14
Speaker 3: and you see her hair's back right there. It got
28:18
Speaker 3: more and more like curtains covering her face during this.
28:23
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to ask doctor Angie Arnold about that too.
28:26
Speaker 3: She's hiding from the truth because it is raining down
28:29
Speaker 3: on her like buckets, like a storm, and she's finally
28:35
Speaker 3: hearing from the people that couldn't testify in.
28:38
Speaker 2: The trial go ahead.
28:39
Speaker 6: Ordinarily, this is a woman who clearly wanted attention. Thrived
28:43
Speaker 6: on attention and liked it a lot, and now she's
28:47
Speaker 6: learning that this kind of attention is bad for her.
28:50
Speaker 6: And once this is over, I seriously think that it
28:54
Speaker 6: will be a wonderful punishment for her to never be
28:56
Speaker 6: heard from again and know that no one listens to
28:58
Speaker 6: her ever again. I think the last thing we would
29:02
Speaker 6: ever want to see for this woman is any kind
29:05
Speaker 6: of more aggrandization of this cult or what this man
29:11
Speaker 6: did or how she fell a victim to it. This
29:14
Speaker 6: is the kind of thing, And you know, Nancy, I'm
29:16
Speaker 6: not the kind of trial lawyer that usually speaks with
29:19
Speaker 6: this kind of language with regard to cases. I always
29:22
Speaker 6: want to talk about how the defendant is entitled to
29:25
Speaker 6: constitutional protections. Well, this woman had this. I like to
29:28
Speaker 6: talk about whether the death penalty serves a purpose. And
29:30
Speaker 6: you know that frequently irritates you because you want to
29:33
Speaker 6: fight with me about defendants' rights and that type of thing,
29:35
Speaker 6: because you're a prosecutor. I'm on the other side usually,
29:38
Speaker 6: so it's unusual, but this case is something that really
29:42
Speaker 6: sparks hatred vitriol Anger. I think not just in the
29:46
Speaker 6: general public, but in the lawyers who were defending her.
29:50
Speaker 6: I think in the lawyers who were trying her. I
29:52
Speaker 6: think this judge, which was probably pushed to his limit
29:56
Speaker 6: in this matter, to maintain an unbiased and dis interested approach,
30:00
Speaker 6: which I think he did. I disagree with keeping the
30:03
Speaker 6: cameras out of the courtroom, and keeping high quality cameras out.
30:06
Speaker 2: I think that we're past that.
30:08
Speaker 6: But you know, I think it's a fascinating thing we're
30:11
Speaker 6: watching here, and there's going to be another one come
30:14
Speaker 6: up in Arizona before too long.
30:15
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and not only in America County. But we've
30:20
Speaker 3: got Chad Dabell to worry about.
30:22
Speaker 7: You know.
30:23
Speaker 3: Back to the judge, Judge Boyce, he reminds me so
30:28
Speaker 3: much of a judge. I tried a lot of cases
30:30
Speaker 3: in front of Judge Robertson. He was taking copious notes
30:34
Speaker 3: and he didn't interrupt throughout the whole thing. A few
30:36
Speaker 3: times he did, but rarely. But I like seeing him
30:40
Speaker 3: taking notes and actually having a question about the sentencee
30:45
Speaker 3: on grand theft. You know that when I first heard
30:48
Speaker 3: about the indictment to Chris McDonough, I was less than
30:52
Speaker 3: impressed by a grand theft charge being thrown in because
30:56
Speaker 3: I was concerned about the actual.
30:58
Speaker 2: Murders, but they were raw.
31:00
Speaker 3: They were right because greed, greed taking part in conspiring
31:07
Speaker 3: to murder Tammy Dave Belt's completely innocent woman, Oh and
31:11
Speaker 3: Molly in New York. I love the way that you
31:14
Speaker 3: put up the photos of the victims in life, because
31:18
Speaker 3: at trial, the jury doesn't get to see the victims
31:22
Speaker 3: in life. If anything, they'll see a crime scene photo
31:24
Speaker 3: or in some cases an autopsy photo. But when I
31:27
Speaker 3: was looking at those pictures of Tyley just you know,
31:32
Speaker 3: starting her life as a young teen, and that picture
31:35
Speaker 3: right there, specifically brother and sister so in love with
31:41
Speaker 3: each other, having so much fun, all their lives ahead
31:46
Speaker 3: of them, having their own families, get togethers in happy moments.
31:51
Speaker 3: Just look at little JJ's little snagglety tooth teeth, and
31:56
Speaker 3: it reminds me of my son John David. Of course
31:58
Speaker 3: before his braces, all they had to look forward to.
32:03
Speaker 3: It's so young. And then the pictures of Tammy Dabil
32:09
Speaker 3: working as a librarian, working with underprivileged children, coming home
32:12
Speaker 3: from a long day, thinking she was going to get
32:15
Speaker 3: a good night's sleep and never waking up. After her
32:19
Speaker 3: body was dug up exhumed, we find out she was asphyxiated,
32:26
Speaker 3: smothered dead, and for what For life insurance proceeds four
32:32
Speaker 3: hundred something thousand dollars and continued Social Security benefits for
32:36
Speaker 3: these two, it was all about greed, which takes me
32:40
Speaker 3: back to that grand theft charge.
32:44
Speaker 2: Is just overwhelming.
32:45
Speaker 3: I mean, Chris mcdonna, you've processed, investigated, handle over three
32:50
Speaker 3: hundred homicides. To think of money as motive, how much
32:56
Speaker 3: more cold blooded.
32:57
Speaker 2: Could she be?
32:58
Speaker 5: You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your
33:02
Speaker 5: point that you know the seven deadly sins, right, greed
33:06
Speaker 5: being one of them. She literally, while preaching a spiritual
33:14
Speaker 5: persona had made a deal with the devil and he
33:21
Speaker 5: came collecting after he required a prerequisite of those children's lives.
33:30
Speaker 5: And this is what makes her so I think, challenging
33:35
Speaker 5: to understand, because there she is dancing on the beach
33:39
Speaker 5: in Hawaii, whe her ukulele and the lags and all
33:43
Speaker 5: the stuff that comes along with that, and yet withinside
33:46
Speaker 5: of her mind and the individual with her, she knows
33:52
Speaker 5: that her child, both of her children, have been one
33:57
Speaker 5: of them at least dismembered and buried. And yet she's
34:02
Speaker 5: just in this other place and it is driven by
34:06
Speaker 5: this unbelievable sense of I want more. It's hard to understand.
34:14
Speaker 3: Certainly, I want more everything, Chris, I want more men,
34:18
Speaker 3: I want more sex, I want more power, I want
34:21
Speaker 3: more money. I want a different lifestyle without these children.
34:25
Speaker 3: And when what Kay Woodcock described the way that caught
34:29
Speaker 3: my LORI Valo talked about little JJ as a quote demon.
34:36
Speaker 3: I mean, his little face just illuminated from inside. That
34:41
Speaker 3: was such a happy, happy child. I want you to
34:44
Speaker 3: hear Kay speaking in our cut nine.
34:49
Speaker 2: Listen.
34:50
Speaker 13: She should have answered my calls, She should have spoken
34:53
Speaker 13: to me.
34:54
Speaker 2: I would have given.
34:55
Speaker 13: Her the money. She could have let JJ entirely live
34:58
Speaker 13: and had a million dollars. She could have been free
35:04
Speaker 13: to be Chad's mistress and foot the bill with the
35:06
Speaker 13: money from spilled blood.
35:09
Speaker 2: JJ and Tyley could have been with us, living happy lives.
35:15
Speaker 13: Instead, she took all that away, all because she is
35:19
Speaker 13: a money hungry, powermongering monster. And I will only have
35:23
Speaker 13: the precious memories to cling to.
35:28
Speaker 14: Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so
35:31
Speaker 14: desperately miss to the heinous acts of his mother, the
35:34
Speaker 14: deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman
35:39
Speaker 14: that five years earlier made the conscious decision to stand
35:42
Speaker 14: in front of a judge and the sporn to provide
35:44
Speaker 14: for care, love and protect him.
35:47
Speaker 3: You know. To Laura Matthias, who has been covering this
35:50
Speaker 3: case since it started, I try not to say story
35:54
Speaker 3: because these are real people and real pain and real suffering.
36:00
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm listening to Kay Woodcock describing the
36:05
Speaker 3: children and how precious they were, they all everybody that
36:11
Speaker 3: spoke tried to describe how disinterested called montmoy Vale was
36:18
Speaker 3: during the proceedings, how she acted like she was, you know,
36:22
Speaker 3: not even there, had such contempt for what was happening,
36:26
Speaker 3: and she did it again today. Did you notice her
36:29
Speaker 3: She just like looking around, not paying any attention at.
36:32
Speaker 2: All, slouching.
36:34
Speaker 4: She was slouching in her seat, looking down, wouldn't even
36:37
Speaker 4: make eye contact with anyone, wouldn't sit up straight, looked up,
36:41
Speaker 4: looked down.
36:42
Speaker 2: Look at that, look at that. Yeah, she's no different
36:46
Speaker 2: than she was in trial.
36:47
Speaker 4: That, by the way, that's the Lori Valdeville you saw
36:49
Speaker 4: in trial for weeks. That's who we saw. That's who
36:52
Speaker 4: the jurors saw. That's what we saw. So that is
36:57
Speaker 4: who she is.
36:57
Speaker 3: How would she react during trial. When the descript she
37:02
Speaker 3: was being given of how her children were murdered, did
37:04
Speaker 3: she sit there.
37:05
Speaker 2: Just like that?
37:06
Speaker 7: She did.
37:06
Speaker 4: In fact, that was the day she actually fought to
37:10
Speaker 4: not be in court. She didn't think it was fair
37:11
Speaker 4: that she had to sit there that you know, maybe
37:14
Speaker 4: she was embarrassed.
37:15
Speaker 2: I don't know.
37:15
Speaker 4: We had to do a sidebar that lasted forever because
37:18
Speaker 4: she didn't want to sit through listening to her children's
37:21
Speaker 4: autopsy reports. She just didn't think that she needed to
37:24
Speaker 4: be there for that. And then when she came back out, Yes,
37:27
Speaker 4: that is how she sat, she looked down and she sulked.
37:31
Speaker 4: The rest of the time. There were some tears, but
37:32
Speaker 4: you have to wonder what you work for. Were they
37:34
Speaker 4: for herself because she had to sit there and couldn't
37:36
Speaker 4: get away, or were they for the children she brutally murdered.
37:41
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it wasn't that.
37:43
Speaker 3: Could you tell us again, Lauren, what you saw of
37:48
Speaker 3: the crime scene photos of the children.
37:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget.
37:54
Speaker 4: And like I said, just today, I talked to a
37:56
Speaker 4: juror that isn't counseling because of it. But you know,
38:01
Speaker 4: there are things in your life that you'll never unsee,
38:03
Speaker 4: and this is one of them. But I've been covering
38:05
Speaker 4: this case for three and a half years. I had
38:07
Speaker 4: heard what the children had gone through, I had heard
38:09
Speaker 4: some insider information, and nothing could prepare me for what
38:12
Speaker 4: I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and.
38:16
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'll bring it back.
38:17
Speaker 4: Like the duct tape around his mouth was the most
38:21
Speaker 4: upsetting to me because there's only one reason for that.
38:24
Speaker 4: There's only one reason, and it's to make sure he
38:26
Speaker 4: can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet, that
38:30
Speaker 4: he knew what was going on, that he suffered, that
38:35
Speaker 4: they tortured him.
38:37
Speaker 2: That's the only reason for duct tape on the mouth.
38:39
Speaker 4: And I will never not see his little seven year
38:43
Speaker 4: old face there and to think who did it to him,
38:45
Speaker 4: the people that were supposed to protect him. You know,
38:49
Speaker 4: Tylie's palabus was the most intact thing of her entire body,
38:54
Speaker 4: and you could see what they call chop wounds and
38:58
Speaker 4: stab wounds in her palace of us. And an anthropologist
39:02
Speaker 4: had to come into it, an anthropologist that does remains
39:06
Speaker 4: for ancient burial sites. That had to be the person
39:09
Speaker 4: that came in and testified about what Tyleie Ryan went
39:12
Speaker 4: through sixteen year old Tyley Ryan, and then they referred
39:15
Speaker 4: to finding her necklace that she was wearing that day
39:18
Speaker 4: and the chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis
39:21
Speaker 4: that had nothing to do with dismembering her or getting
39:23
Speaker 4: rid of her. Why were there what they did to
39:27
Speaker 4: her will never know, But that's just a hint of
39:29
Speaker 4: what she went through.
39:30
Speaker 3: You know, Mark Tay, you are hearing Laura Mathias speaking.
39:34
Speaker 3: You can find her at her Hidden True Crimes on YouTube.
39:39
Speaker 2: Mark.
39:40
Speaker 3: You're hearing her describe how she spoke to some gerrs.
39:43
Speaker 3: They had to go to therapy after sitting through this
39:46
Speaker 3: trial and learning what was done to these children, and
39:51
Speaker 3: anything less than the maximum will be totally wrong.
39:56
Speaker 2: I don't expect the judge to do that, but I
39:58
Speaker 2: don't know.
39:58
Speaker 3: If you remember the case of Louise wood Work, the
40:00
Speaker 3: opair convicted of killing baby Maddie even by shaking him.
40:07
Speaker 3: As shaking baby said gentlemen that he was thrown to
40:10
Speaker 3: the ground. That judge, by the way, reduced while he
40:16
Speaker 3: couldn't change her sentence under the law, he reduced the verdict,
40:20
Speaker 3: for instance, from it would be like reducing it from
40:23
Speaker 3: murder one to voluntary, so he could sentence her to
40:26
Speaker 3: a much lesser sentence.
40:28
Speaker 2: It has happened.
40:30
Speaker 3: It has happened, and this judge could do that under
40:33
Speaker 3: the law.
40:33
Speaker 2: I don't think he will, but he could.
40:35
Speaker 6: That would be amazing. You know the case you were
40:38
Speaker 6: just speaking of. I think that there was some other
40:41
Speaker 6: things that affected that, as I recall in discussing that case,
40:45
Speaker 6: that affected the judge and the input that they wanted
40:48
Speaker 6: to bring. And I think there was actually some notion
40:50
Speaker 6: that the way the judge modified that the verdict was
40:56
Speaker 6: that it allowed for there to be a possibility for parole.
41:00
Speaker 6: Ain't happening here. There's no parole for this valo person. Uh.
41:05
Speaker 6: The evidence that has been put on at this trial,
41:08
Speaker 6: and even now the victim impacts statements of how the
41:12
Speaker 6: bodies were were it was overkilled in order to I suppose,
41:18
Speaker 6: and you know, the forensic pathologists can tell us to
41:21
Speaker 6: speed decomposition of the bodies to make it less likely
41:24
Speaker 6: they'll be found. The callousness of the text message from
41:28
Speaker 6: the husband, I guess his name is Chad, who said
41:31
Speaker 6: I found a raccoon running in the yard and I
41:33
Speaker 6: shot him and he's buried in the pet cemetery, and
41:36
Speaker 6: he was talking about a person. These types of things,
41:40
Speaker 6: and Valo was part of all of that, And these
41:43
Speaker 6: types of things I think go to so exacerbate the
41:46
Speaker 6: level of hate in this crime, the level of fear
41:50
Speaker 6: that this lady put on those around her. In fact
41:54
Speaker 6: that someone says she's a serial killer, she is a
41:56
Speaker 6: serial killer.
41:57
Speaker 3: Uh.
41:58
Speaker 6: And I think that there's not going to be any
42:00
Speaker 6: commutation of a sentence. There's not going to be any
42:03
Speaker 6: lesser included offense, which is I think one of the
42:06
Speaker 6: things that you may have been worried about when you
42:07
Speaker 6: heard about a grand theft charge, But that exactly is
42:11
Speaker 6: why they did that, because it allowed them to argue
42:13
Speaker 6: that the motive was greed, because they can say, judge,
42:16
Speaker 6: you know, this goes to the greed and the grand
42:19
Speaker 6: theft argument, and that allows them to open the door
42:22
Speaker 6: into all of the life insurance claims that were existing
42:26
Speaker 6: with regard to the death of the other folks. So, no,
42:29
Speaker 6: there's not going to be any commutation of a sentence.
42:31
Speaker 6: There's not going to be any lesser sentence. I believe
42:34
Speaker 6: that exactly what the state is asked for is exactly
42:38
Speaker 6: what's wanted here. And I think. I mean, it would
42:40
Speaker 6: almost be an abusive discretion to see this judge issue
42:44
Speaker 6: anything less than the absolute maximum that he could.
42:47
Speaker 2: Well absolutely, but he does have that power.
42:49
Speaker 3: Guys, we are live in an Idaho courtroom bringing you
42:52
Speaker 3: the latest and called mom lri Valo sentencing. The life
42:57
Speaker 3: without possibility of parole is on the table.
43:00
Speaker 2: That is what the state is demanding.
43:03
Speaker 3: Who knows what machinations are going on behind the scenes
43:07
Speaker 3: right now, because we hear the colman Lori Valo may
43:11
Speaker 3: actually elocute in other words, as a fancy word to say,
43:15
Speaker 3: speak in the courtroom. Now, she's not subjected to cross
43:19
Speaker 3: examination at this juncture.
43:21
Speaker 2: She can say whatever she wants to.
43:24
Speaker 3: But I guarantee you that this case is going to
43:28
Speaker 3: be appealed. If she shows remorse, if she admits, that
43:33
Speaker 3: will be weighed by the appellate court.
43:36
Speaker 2: I see a movement.
43:38
Speaker 3: Guys, Let's keep talking with each other while we can.
43:41
Speaker 3: I see what's happening in there. Okay, the defense attorney's
43:45
Speaker 3: already got his hanky out. He is sweating bullets in
43:48
Speaker 3: that courtroom. Okay, let's go in life. I think that
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Speaker 3: they're about to bring in Oh no, they're not, because
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Speaker 3: the judge is not on the bench. Can't do anything
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Speaker 3: without the judge. So they're getting Let's see if called
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Speaker 3: MoMA Laurie Valo is going to speak, right, we can
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Speaker 3: see that.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, jump in, go ahead, jump.
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Speaker 5: In, Chris. It won't surprise me if she doesn't take,
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Speaker 5: you know, the opportunity to u, you know, say at
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Speaker 5: least something. It reminds me of Brandon Wilson, remember who
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Speaker 5: killed the little boy in the bathroom in southern California.
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Speaker 5: At his arrayment, he yelled out, you know something that
44:33
Speaker 5: was just outrageous. But she's going to play it if
44:36
Speaker 5: she does. If she does choose, she's going to play it.
44:39
Speaker 5: She's going to play the victim, and that will tell
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Speaker 5: us even more about how dangerous she is in my opinion.
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Speaker 3: Now, that's interesting that you say that, Chris mcdonno, because
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Speaker 3: she apparently is still in the throws like a neelywed
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Speaker 3: with the profit Chad davel He seems to want to
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Speaker 3: distance himself from her. So I don't know that I
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Speaker 3: see her throwing him under the bus right now, or
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Speaker 3: implicating herself in any way by showing remorse. I just
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Speaker 3: don't see that coming from her, which leaves us with
45:19
Speaker 3: what does she have to say? I guess she could
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Speaker 3: talk about to you, doctor Angie Arnold, all of her
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Speaker 3: love for the children. All she could talk about, Doctor
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Speaker 3: Angie is possibly her love for her children. I think
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Speaker 3: she didn't really know, Tammy Dave Bell.
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Speaker 12: You know what, I think we need to pay attention
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Speaker 12: to when she's talking Nancy. Let's pay attention to her
45:38
Speaker 12: the tone that she uses in some of the things
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Speaker 12: that I've listened to that she's done. She's very childlike.
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Speaker 12: Let's watch for that. And I also am very interested
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Speaker 12: in seeing how her counsel reacts to what she says,
45:54
Speaker 12: because I feel like there's no interaction between any of them,
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Speaker 12: and they're they're sort of starting to separate themselves from her. Also,
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Speaker 12: that's just how it appears to me. You know, oftentimes
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Speaker 12: you still see the attorney interacting with his client.
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Speaker 2: There's no interaction.
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Speaker 12: Today, she's she's huddled back in a in a position,
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Speaker 12: and they are there. They've already started to themselves from her.
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Speaker 12: So I think it'll also as much as what she's
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Speaker 12: going to say, her tone of voice, how she says it,
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Speaker 12: her eye contact or lack thereof, and what and how
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Speaker 12: they physically respond to what she's saying. Is all going
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Speaker 12: to be very telling for us.
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Speaker 2: Ganji Jo one camera trained on the go ahead.
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Speaker 6: No, I was just going to say and ask you. You
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Speaker 6: started to talk about what does she have to gain
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Speaker 6: by talking? And I've been trying to piece through it,
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Speaker 6: you know, and she's been convicted. That you are exactly right,
46:54
Speaker 6: because she's got lawyers who are going to weighe through
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Speaker 6: every piece of evidence, admitted every objection that they made
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Speaker 6: a trial, the court's rulings, how the court commented on
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Speaker 6: those rulings, whether there should have been a mistrial, and
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Speaker 6: they're going to appeal every single thing that they can.
47:09
Speaker 6: And so I think if I was her lawyer, I
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Speaker 6: would tell her that talking isn't a gain anything. She
47:15
Speaker 6: still has a right against self incrimination and putting her talking,
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Speaker 6: I mean, unless you can control her vocal cords and
47:23
Speaker 6: what comes out of them. I would tell her that
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Speaker 6: it's my advice, you know, don't talk. You can't help yourself.
47:30
Speaker 6: You're convicted. And in you know times when I had
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Speaker 6: the attorney client privilege and no one could hear me
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Speaker 6: talking to her, I would tell her just shut up,
47:37
Speaker 6: you know, you cannot help yourself. Silence is your friend,
47:42
Speaker 6: and I'm sure the detective who's also listening to me
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Speaker 6: will probably agree. You know, very rarely does talking to
47:48
Speaker 6: the cops actually help you.
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Speaker 5: If ever, so I would tell her how I love
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Speaker 5: where you're coming from, because I'm loving the opportunity for
47:58
Speaker 5: her to get up there and say something. And what
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Speaker 5: I'm also thinking is in the pod where Chad is.
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Speaker 5: Is he watching this on TV today? Is he watching
48:11
Speaker 5: this program and going, you know, holy cow, They're laying
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Speaker 5: out a bunch of stuff and I'm next. So that's
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Speaker 5: where I'm going. And I hope she does get up
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Speaker 5: there and start chattering away.
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, everyone's rising for the judge. Thank you to
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Speaker 2: all of our awesome guests. Let's listen to the judge.
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Speaker 9: Right, miss Valla, Before I impost sentence, If you choose,
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Speaker 9: you may address the court. This is known as the
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Speaker 9: right of elocution, which permits you to make a statement
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Speaker 9: on your own, behalf or present any information and mitigation
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Speaker 9: of the punishment for the crimes you've committed. And let
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Speaker 9: me inquire at this time do you wish to address
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Speaker 9: this court? All right, very well, you may make your statement.
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Speaker 15: I would like to start by quoting John from the
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Speaker 15: New Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,
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Speaker 15: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let
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Speaker 15: him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in
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Speaker 15: verse fifteen, Jesus says, ye, judge after the flesh. I
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Speaker 15: judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment
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Speaker 15: is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I
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Speaker 15: mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.
49:39
Speaker 15: Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus
49:46
Speaker 15: Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case.
49:52
Speaker 15: Accidental deaths happen, suicides happen, Fatal side effects from medications happened.
50:03
Speaker 15: I have a different perspective in life because in two
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Speaker 15: thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I
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Speaker 15: died in the hospital while in labor with her. They
50:14
Speaker 15: tried to stop my labor. They put me on the
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Speaker 15: table and they put something in my ivy and I
50:19
Speaker 15: felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing
50:25
Speaker 15: near my pregnant body watching the doctors try to revive me,
50:29
Speaker 15: which took them a few minutes. In that time, my
50:33
Speaker 15: sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to
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Speaker 15: hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as
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Speaker 15: tangible as a physical body. Because I knew I was
50:45
Speaker 15: in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she
50:49
Speaker 15: needed to show me some things and we went to Heaven.
50:53
Speaker 15: I later returned to my body. Because of this experience,
50:59
Speaker 15: I had a says to heaven and the spirit world.
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Speaker 15: Since then, I have had many communications from people now
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Speaker 15: living in heaven, including my children, Tylie Ashland and Joshua Jackson,
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Speaker 15: my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,
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Speaker 15: and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 15: the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've
51:30
Speaker 15: had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me
51:33
Speaker 15: and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,
51:39
Speaker 15: I know for a fact that my children are happy
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Speaker 15: and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications
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Speaker 15: with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she is
51:53
Speaker 15: also very happy and extremely busy. I have always more
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Speaker 15: the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost
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Speaker 15: many in this mortal world. However, I know that more
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Speaker 15: than most people I know where they are now and
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Speaker 15: what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is, and
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Speaker 15: I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we
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Speaker 15: all lived in Heaven before we were born on Earth,
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Speaker 15: and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.
52:28
Speaker 15: We chose to come to Earth as mortals. Heaven is
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Speaker 15: more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not
52:37
Speaker 15: fear death, but I look forward to it. I did
52:42
Speaker 15: not want to return to my body when I was
52:44
Speaker 15: out of it, even though my son, Colby, who I
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Speaker 15: adored more than anything, was only six years old at
52:51
Speaker 15: the time, and I was about to give birth to
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Speaker 15: this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.
52:59
Speaker 2: I was a young mother.
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Speaker 15: And you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children,
53:04
Speaker 15: But as I stood in Heaven, I did not.
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Speaker 2: Want to go back.
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Speaker 15: I thought they would be fine without me because I
53:11
Speaker 15: was peaceful and I was happy, and I was home.
53:17
Speaker 15: But then I was told by Jesus that I needed
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Speaker 15: to go back and complete things that I had covenanted
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Speaker 15: or promised to do before I was born. This caused
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Speaker 15: me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was
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Speaker 15: my real home. And I only wanted to be there.
53:34
Speaker 15: I was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then
53:38
Speaker 15: I was shown how I would help my children and
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Speaker 15: others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to
53:45
Speaker 15: go back to my body. Tie has visited me. She
53:55
Speaker 15: is happy and very busy. Tilee is free now from
54:00
Speaker 15: all the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical
54:06
Speaker 15: pain her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the
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Speaker 15: hospital year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,
54:16
Speaker 15: when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the
54:18
Speaker 15: pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,
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Speaker 15: and I held back her hair while she threw up.
54:24
Speaker 15: And I am the only person on this earth who
54:28
Speaker 15: knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had
54:32
Speaker 15: pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body
54:38
Speaker 15: did not work right. And I don't know if that
54:40
Speaker 15: was from complications for me dying while she was being born,
54:44
Speaker 15: or something else. But she had a very difficult life.
54:48
Speaker 15: She was sexually abused by her own biological father since
54:52
Speaker 15: she was three years old, and she was forced by
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Speaker 15: family court to go visit him for ten years against
54:59
Speaker 15: her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her.
55:05
Speaker 15: I tried to protect her with my whole life. I
55:09
Speaker 15: tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day.
55:14
Speaker 15: Tyler had to get her ged because she couldn't go
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Speaker 15: to school every day, because she never felt good, she
55:20
Speaker 15: felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tyler, like myself, tries
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Speaker 15: to put on a good front, tries to be a
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Speaker 15: happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to
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Speaker 15: know that she's here for a purpose and that she
55:34
Speaker 15: has an eternal purpose to be on this earth. But
55:36
Speaker 15: I never stopped worrying about her. One of the times
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Speaker 15: that Tyler came to me as a spirit after she died,
55:44
Speaker 15: she said, she commanded me and she said to me, stop.
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Speaker 2: Worrying, Mom. We are fine.
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Speaker 15: She knows how I worried and how I miss her.
55:58
Speaker 15: The first time JJ visited me after he passed away,
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Speaker 15: he put his arm around me and he said to me,
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Speaker 15: you didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and
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Speaker 15: I know you loved me every minute of my life.
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Speaker 2: JJ Joshua Jackson.
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Speaker 15: Was an adult spirit and he was very very tall
56:26
Speaker 15: when you put his arm around me. He is busy,
56:32
Speaker 15: he is engaged. He has jobs that he does. There
56:36
Speaker 15: and he is happy where he is. His life was short,
56:41
Speaker 15: but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person
56:46
Speaker 15: and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him
56:49
Speaker 15: every minute of his life. My eternal friend Tammy Dabell
56:55
Speaker 15: has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring
56:59
Speaker 15: me peace and comfort, and I know that she is
57:02
Speaker 15: extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren.
57:08
Speaker 15: And I have a great love for Tammy. My beautiful children, Kylie,
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Speaker 15: Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the
57:23
Speaker 15: arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend, Tammy da Bell rests
57:27
Speaker 15: safely this day in the arms of Jesus.
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Speaker 2: And I look forward to the day when.
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Speaker 15: We are all reunited, and I too will rest with
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Speaker 15: them in the arms of my Jesus.
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Speaker 9: All I, Miss Fallow, thank you for your comments to
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Speaker 9: the court. Let me ask you this time, Miss Vallo,
57:48
Speaker 9: are you fully satisfied with the representation you've received from
57:52
Speaker 9: your attorneys throughout this case? Thank you.
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Speaker 3: That ends the defense presentation, and now come to the sentencing.
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Speaker 2: All right, the court, will you just heard raiding her state?
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Speaker 9: When I look at what the appropriate sentences should be
58:09
Speaker 9: for the conspiracy charges. At first, I wondered if they
58:12
Speaker 9: should be as long of a term or serious as
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Speaker 9: the substantive murder charges. However, what I've concluded is that
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Speaker 9: these conspiracy convictions merit the same grave punishment for several reasons. First,
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Speaker 9: the conspiracies in which you engaged in have had far
58:29
Speaker 9: reaching impacts on many people besides the deceased victims. And
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Speaker 9: with what the court's heard, I am convinced that the
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Speaker 9: conspiracy charges also merit the same serious sentence. So on
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Speaker 9: count one, the conspiracy to commit first degree murder of
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Speaker 9: Tyler Ryan and grand theft by deception, you're sentenced to
58:52
Speaker 9: the custody of the State Board of Corrections to serve
58:54
Speaker 9: the maximum allowed, sentenced to fixed determinate term of life
58:57
Speaker 9: imprisonment with no possibilitbility of parole. In count three, the
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Speaker 9: conspiracy to commit first degree murder of Joshua Jackson Vaalow
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Speaker 9: and grand theft by deception, your sentenced to the custody
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Speaker 9: of the State Board of Corrections to serve the maximum allowed,
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Speaker 9: sentenced a fixed determinant term of life imprisonment with no
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Speaker 9: possibility of parole. And on count five, the conspiracy to
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Speaker 9: commit the first degree murder of Tamra Tammy Dabel. Your
59:27
Speaker 9: sentenced to the custody of the State Board of Corrections
59:30
Speaker 9: to serve the maximum allowed sentence, a fixed determinate term
59:34
Speaker 9: of life imprisonment with no possibility of parole. Finally, the
59:39
Speaker 9: court will address Count seven, which is the charge of
59:43
Speaker 9: grand theft. On that charge, court is going to sentence
59:48
Speaker 9: you to a fixed determinate term of five years of prison,
59:52
Speaker 9: followed by an indeterminate term of five years of prison
59:55
Speaker 9: for a total tenure term of imprisonment on the grand theft. Then,
1:00:01
Speaker 9: running counts concurrently would not serve the interests of justice
1:00:07
Speaker 9: because those crimes all need to be taken into account
1:00:11
Speaker 9: separately and distinctly and individually, and you need to be
1:00:15
Speaker 9: held accountable separately for each of the three murders. So
1:00:20
Speaker 9: on those counts, the court will run consecutively the count
1:00:26
Speaker 9: two murder of Tylee Ryan consecutive to count four, the
1:00:31
Speaker 9: murder of Joshua Jackson Valo, and count five will run
1:00:35
Speaker 9: consecutive to count two and four the conspiracy to commit
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Speaker 9: first degree murder of Tamra Tammy Dabell.
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Speaker 3: And we have a sentence there will be three consecutive
1:00:49
Speaker 3: life without the possibility of parole for coltmom Laurie Valo
1:00:55
Speaker 3: and the murders of her children JJ and Tylely, and
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Speaker 3: the life of her now husband, the prophet Chad dabel.
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Speaker 3: He based that reasoning on the fact that these were
1:01:06
Speaker 3: three separate murders at three separate times with three separate victims,
1:01:13
Speaker 3: as opposed to one fell swoop of a murder where
1:01:16
Speaker 3: three victims were killed. Interestingly, Lorie Valo spoke out and
1:01:23
Speaker 3: allocated in court, which means she spoke.
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Speaker 2: Before the judge.
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Speaker 3: There was no right to examine her, and she actually
1:01:31
Speaker 3: said in court quote, I'm mourn with.
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Speaker 2: All of you the victims.
1:01:36
Speaker 3: She interestingly, and this may give us a peek into
1:01:39
Speaker 3: what Chad Dabeil is going to claim in court that
1:01:41
Speaker 3: there were accidental deaths, suicides, accidental death because of medications.
1:01:48
Speaker 3: Is that what she's telling herself what happened to her children?
1:01:52
Speaker 3: The court pointed out that she was on a beach
1:01:55
Speaker 3: in Hawaiian dancing ahula dance with her new husband, knowing
1:02:00
Speaker 3: full well people were looking for her children who were
1:02:03
Speaker 3: found dismembered and murdered on our new husband's property. We
1:02:09
Speaker 3: learned that she would not cooperate with a precedenced investigation
1:02:12
Speaker 3: that could have offered some mitigation. But most strikingly in
1:02:19
Speaker 3: my mind, cole Mom Laurie Valo described speaking to her
1:02:25
Speaker 3: children now, and she stressed to the court that the
1:02:30
Speaker 3: children JJ and Tyley are quote happy and busy in heaven.
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Speaker 2: How dare she?
1:02:40
Speaker 3: How dare she say her murdered children are happy and
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Speaker 3: busy in heaven as justification to lower or lessen her
1:02:52
Speaker 3: sentence in court?
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Speaker 2: But oh yes she did.
1:02:57
Speaker 3: The judge was having none of it. Three life without
1:03:03
Speaker 3: parole to run consecutively.
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Speaker 2: Court adjourned, goodbye friend,