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Sharri | 10 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, Vinus.
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Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight. Los Angeles is in the middle of
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Speaker 3: another night of chaos as riots engulf the city. We'll
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Speaker 3: have the latest details as the city's left wing leaders
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Speaker 3: spend more time fighting Trump than the rioters. Add It's
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Speaker 3: so long farewell to Gretathunberg as she's deported from Israel
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Speaker 3: this after she refused to watch the October seven footage
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Speaker 3: showing just how morally bankruptcy is well. Paul Kelly saw
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Speaker 3: that vision in Israel recently, and he'll join me on
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Speaker 3: the show tonight. Will the Coalition oppose net zero? Shadow
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Speaker 3: Energy Minister Dantean will be here shortly. The Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: bans an American Jewish tech entrepreneur from entering our country,
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Speaker 3: yet turns a blind eye to hate preachers. Why has
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Speaker 3: it been left to Jewish groups to take court action
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Speaker 3: from Ambishop Calibond will be here to discuss. Plus controversy
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Speaker 3: over China's plans to build a super embassy, and the
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Speaker 3: breaking news tonight that the ABC is set to dump.
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Speaker 4: Q and A.
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Speaker 3: Will anyone miss it?
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Speaker 4: That's all coming up, but let's.
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Speaker 3: Start with Marines, who are right now moving into guard
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Speaker 3: federal buildings in Los Angeles after four days of chaos
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Speaker 3: and violence. These scenes have been despicable and embarrassing for
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Speaker 3: this world famous city. American flag satellite cars torched and looting.
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Speaker 3: Masked men were filmed throwing rocks and fireworks while activists
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Speaker 3: occupied a freeway, lit fires and cause total disarray. This
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Speaker 3: is the very picture of lawlessness and mass havoc.
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Speaker 5: Cars on fire and tensions inflamed, emotions stoked by the
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Speaker 5: President's decision to deploy the military. Here the Mexican flag
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Speaker 5: is flying and anger directed at ICE, the Immigrations and
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Speaker 5: Customs Enforcement Agency after a series of raids.
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Speaker 3: And the MAYHEMI wrapted on Friday in response, as you
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Speaker 3: just heard, to a small ICE operation to deport I
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Speaker 3: legal immigrants involved in money laundering and tax evasion along
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Speaker 3: with other criminals, and it escalated from there. First two
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Speaker 3: thousand National Guards took to the streets to help keep
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Speaker 3: the peace. That number was then doubled, and now Trump
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Speaker 3: has deployed seven hundred marines to help protect the city.
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Speaker 3: But what's been so bizarre about this is the response
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Speaker 3: from Democrat politicians and much of the media. Instead of
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Speaker 3: shutting down the crime and telling the protesters to get
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Speaker 3: into line. The blame is squarely directed toward the president
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Speaker 3: of the United States. Yep, the Democrats and the media
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Speaker 3: are blaming the deployment of the National Guards for the
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Speaker 3: escalation in violence. Here's Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass saying
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Speaker 3: that the extra manpower isn't needed.
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Speaker 6: I was trying to make the case that the National
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Speaker 6: Guard was not needed here. I was trying to make
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Speaker 6: the case that the National Guard came here, it would
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Speaker 6: be a provocative move and it would be like a
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Speaker 6: deliberate attempt to create disorder and kios in our city.
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Speaker 3: So instead of shutting down the protests in her own city,
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Speaker 3: the mayor is telling the LAPD and the National Guard that.
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Speaker 4: They're not needed.
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Speaker 3: It's a wild idea of restoring order by asking the
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Speaker 3: police the law enforcement to stand down. Kamala Harris has
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Speaker 3: also accused Trump of provoking chaos by deploying the National Guard.
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Speaker 3: She said on social media, in addition to the recent
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Speaker 3: ice raids in southern California and across our nation, it
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Speaker 3: is part of the Trump administration's all calculated agenda to
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Speaker 3: spread panic and division and then completely absurdly. She even
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Speaker 3: claimed the protests have been peaceful. She said protest is
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Speaker 3: a powerful tool essential in the fight for justice, and
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Speaker 3: as the LAPD mayor and governor have noted, demonstrations in
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Speaker 3: defense of our immigrant neighbors have been overwhelmingly peaceful. I mean,
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Speaker 3: just wow, that is a ludicrous claim that's easily fact
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Speaker 3: checked as being one hundred percent wrong. Kamala Harris only
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Speaker 3: needs to turn on the news to see just how
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Speaker 3: peaceful the protests have been. Bort Us tom Homan said
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Speaker 3: it was wrong to suggest these protests were in any
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Speaker 3: way peaceful, and he called out the Californian leadership for
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Speaker 3: sitting on their hands.
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Speaker 7: I was there first two nights. It was out of control,
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Speaker 7: the city was burning. Governor Newsom did nothing. The mayor
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Speaker 7: did nothing. So President Trump, God bless him. He sent
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Speaker 7: in the National Garden to save property and saved lives,
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Speaker 7: and I assume for doing it.
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Speaker 3: But this is so highly political that California Governor Gavin
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Speaker 3: Newsom even claims that Trump wants a civil war on
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Speaker 3: the streets of America. And Trump then returned fire by
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Speaker 3: saying the governor is not only grossly incompetent, but he
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Speaker 3: even appeared to suggest that he could be arrested, and
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Speaker 3: that was in response to questions from journalists.
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Speaker 2: That's not what.
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Speaker 4: Trump is after.
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Speaker 2: He's not for peacemaking.
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Speaker 3: He's here for war.
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Speaker 2: It's a civil war on the streets.
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Speaker 3: So because Trump is refusing to back down on his
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Speaker 3: decision to deport illegal immigrants, and because he's standing firm
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Speaker 3: on sending in law enforcement, he's now being blamed for
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Speaker 3: inciting violence and abusing power. This is typical. It's not
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Speaker 3: the fault of the rabid mob, but it's Trump's fault
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Speaker 3: for calling in reinforcements to ensure security. Now, the President
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Speaker 3: pledged over and over again to crack down on illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 3: It was a major policy he campaigned on during the
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Speaker 3: presidential election. He couldn't have been clearer about this.
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Speaker 1: Now, I will stop the criminal invasion of our country,
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Speaker 1: the biggest problem we have right now, and I will
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Speaker 1: bring back the American dream.
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Speaker 3: So, whether you like his policy or not agree with
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Speaker 3: him or not, he does have a mandate to do this.
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Speaker 3: Foreign editor in The Australian, Greg Sheridan pointed out today
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Speaker 3: that Barack Obama deported more people than Trump did in
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Speaker 3: his first term. He writes that Obama deported almost four
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand people in twenty ten. He says half had
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Speaker 3: no criminal convictions, and Sheridan writes the Obama administration also
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Speaker 3: took tough action against businesses that knowingly employed illegal aliens.
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Speaker 3: So it's okay if Obama does it, but a crime
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Speaker 3: against humanity, crying to Heaven for vengeance if Trump does it.
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Speaker 3: And Sheridan also says that illegal immigration has run beyond
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Speaker 3: the control of democratic politics in the West and it
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Speaker 3: is a deep crisis in many countries. He writes, the
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Speaker 3: conventional center left has essentially taken a lawless.
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Speaker 4: Approach to the issue, and I think that's.
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Speaker 3: The core of the problem. That's what's led.
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Speaker 4: Us to where we are now.
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Speaker 3: Not only is California a sanctuary state, but it's been
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Speaker 3: let down by its own left leaning, soft on crime
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Speaker 3: leadership over such a long period of time that the
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Speaker 3: entire cities in disarray, and it's become in some cases
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Speaker 3: in some areas, an unpalatable place to live. The wok
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Speaker 3: agenda has killed it. And it's these conditions that have
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Speaker 3: meant that criminals and protesters don't think they have to
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Speaker 3: obey the law, that it wouldn't be enforced anyway, and
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Speaker 3: that they're within their rights to run riot and loot stores.
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Speaker 3: But of course, the other issue is that while Trump
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Speaker 3: does have a legitimate claim to deport to legal immigrants
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Speaker 3: as he said he was going to do, we're just
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Speaker 3: seeing constant chaos during his presidency. These riots, the trade
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Speaker 3: tariff uproar, the fight with Elon Musk, the oval office
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Speaker 3: spectacle with President Zelenski. It's an administration that seems to
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Speaker 3: thrive on drama. In a world teetering on uncertainty, more
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Speaker 3: stability and calm authority would not just be welcome, but
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Speaker 3: it'd be the smartest move from the president going forward.
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Speaker 3: And it's so long, farewell, farewell, and goodbye to Gretathunberg
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Speaker 3: as she's shown the door by Israel and officially deported
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Speaker 3: out of the country. As you may have heard, Greta
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Speaker 3: Thunberg has refused to watch the forty five minutes of
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Speaker 3: footage of hermas massacring innocent Israeli families on October seven,
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Speaker 3: And that tells you everything you need to know about
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Speaker 3: Greta and her group of self obsessed attention seekers, because
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Speaker 3: that footage shows children being murdered in their cots, women
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Speaker 3: being mutilated and parents being killed right in front of
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Speaker 3: their loved ones. It's too graphic to broadcast on NAN
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Speaker 3: and I do think that's a shame. But one of
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Speaker 3: my guests tonight, the Australians Editor at Large, Paul Kelly,
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Speaker 3: watched it just over a week ago when he was
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Speaker 3: in Israel, and I'm going to speak to him about
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Speaker 3: his trip shortly. But watching that footage would mean that
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Speaker 3: Greta Thunberg would have to face the reality that Israel
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Speaker 3: is trying to defeat her muss a terror group that
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Speaker 3: committed an unfathomable genocide and barbaric atrocities on October seven,
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Speaker 3: and that ever since then, Israel has been desperately trying
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Speaker 3: to bring home the two hundred and fifty innocent people
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Speaker 3: taken hostage. Kidnapped, yes, actually kidnapped, not kidnapped like Greta
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Speaker 3: claims she was kidnapped when she was given a sandwich
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Speaker 3: and water and brought to safety, but kidnapped like Shiri
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Speaker 3: Bibas was as she was dragged away from her home
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Speaker 3: while desperately trying to keep her two beautiful babies, Kafir
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Speaker 3: and Ariel safe. As you know, they were then murdered
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Speaker 3: by her mus the children killed by bare hands. Palestinian
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Speaker 3: families had a fun day out, celebrating as the coffins
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Speaker 3: were paraded on a her Musk stage in a murderous,
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Speaker 3: grotesque spectacle. We all cried when their bodies were brought
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Speaker 3: home to Israel. That is what it looks like to
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Speaker 3: be actually kidnapped. Mia Chem knows something about kidnapping two,
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Speaker 3: as does Elie Sharabi and Rachel and John Goldberg Pollen.
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Speaker 3: It's an insult that Greta claimed she'd been kidnapped, and
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Speaker 3: now today it's emerged that one of the figures behind
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Speaker 3: Greta's flotilla may have ties to her. Muss Zaharbarawi had
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Speaker 3: been accused in the UK and in Israel of being
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Speaker 3: a Hermas operative, and he's one of the organizers of
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Speaker 3: that freedom flotilla coalition. Now Birawi denies this, but British
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Speaker 3: Labor and p Christian Wakeford accused Burrawi in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: three under parliamentary privilege of being a Hermas operative. He
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Speaker 3: also claimed he'd hosted an event in London called Understanding Hermas,
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Speaker 3: and as you can see, he's been photographed with Ismael Honeyer.
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Speaker 3: That's Hermas's former political leader who was killed in that
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Speaker 3: famous attack by Israel in Tehran last year. Now this
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Speaker 3: isn't surprising to learn of the likely or possible connections
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Speaker 3: to hamas anyone campaigning so strongly for Israel's destruction is
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Speaker 3: only doing so to the benefit of a terror group.
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Speaker 3: And as for Greta and her crew, well, they've been
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Speaker 3: sent home from Israel having achieved absolutely nothing except for
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Speaker 3: humiliating themselves on the world stage. Their self indulgent virtue
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Speaker 3: signaling publicity trip is now over, and the tiny, inconsequential
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Speaker 3: amount of aid they brought in will make no difference
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Speaker 3: to the millions of meals Israel is handing out directly
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Speaker 3: to Palestinians, free from the problematic intervention of the United Nations,
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Speaker 3: which only served to prop up her muss. But as
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Speaker 3: I said last night, hatred of Israel and by extension,
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Speaker 3: Israeli's and Jews is becoming fashionable in left wing media
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Speaker 3: and political circles. The hatred driven by distorted narratives, propaganda
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Speaker 3: and false claims. It would have been wise for Greta
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Speaker 3: and her group to actually watch the footage of what
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Speaker 3: unfolded on October seven, But that would have been confronting reality,
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Speaker 3: which she and others on the left are loath to do.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: We spoke last night about how the alban Eezy government
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Speaker 3: has banned American tech entrepreneur Hillel Food from coming to Australia.
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Speaker 3: They claim this is because of hate speech, despite the
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Speaker 3: fact he told me last night he planned to speak
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Speaker 3: about innovation.
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Speaker 8: The topic of my talk wasn't even politics or anything
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Speaker 8: to do with gods or anything like that. I was
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Speaker 8: there to talk about how Israel and Israeli innovation is
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Speaker 8: changing the world and making the word a better place.
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Speaker 8: What's inflammatory about that?
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Speaker 3: Exactly? So, Tony Burt cancels this highly respected businessman's visa,
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Speaker 3: yet has not lifted a finger to deal with hate preachers,
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Speaker 3: some of whom are in his own electorate. Instead, it's
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Speaker 3: been left to Jewish groups to take civil action in court.
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Speaker 3: Australia's racial vilification speech laws will now be put to
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Speaker 3: the test. The Executive Council of Australian Jury's case against
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Speaker 3: hate preacher with some Haddad began in court today.
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Speaker 9: The court heard the preacher delivered five speeches in November
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Speaker 9: twenty twenty three, in which he's accused of preaching section
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Speaker 9: eighteen c of the Racial Vilification Act because they were
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Speaker 9: reasonably likely to offend, insult, to humiliate or intimidate Australian Jews.
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Speaker 9: In one speech played to the court, Jews are described
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Speaker 9: as mischievous, that they have their hands everywhere in business media,
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Speaker 9: and he preached about Muslims killing Jews towards the.
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Speaker 10: End the times, when the Muslims will be fighting the Jews,
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Speaker 10: the trees will speak, the soul will speak, and they'll say, oh, Muslim,
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Speaker 10: O believer, there is a Yahudi behind me, Come and
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Speaker 10: kill him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, surely it shouldn't be left to Jewish groups
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Speaker 3: to take and fund action here. Yet this is how
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Speaker 3: weak our leadership is in US Astralia. Now to further
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Speaker 3: discuss this, let's bring in now the former Speaker of
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Speaker 3: the House Brhman Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both, Bron.
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Speaker 3: When this is so hypocritical from the Albanese government, isn't
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Speaker 3: it to deny entry for three years to an American
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Speaker 3: Israeli yet take no action against hate preachers?
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Speaker 11: Of course it is, but right from the first instance,
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Speaker 11: when they took no action at all about what happened
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Speaker 11: at the opera House. Right from that moment they signaled
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Speaker 11: that we're just not going to have anything to do
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Speaker 11: with it, that it's somehow okay for this to go on.
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Speaker 11: And it's got worse and worse. The university's taking over
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Speaker 11: this mantra. And if you go back in history nineteen
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Speaker 11: thirty three, himlu and Gurry knew they had to capture
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Speaker 11: the youth, and they went first to the University of
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Speaker 11: Frankfort because they knew that was a liberal one and
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Speaker 11: if it fell over, the rest would fallover. It's exactly
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Speaker 11: what happened. And so it became you use the word fashionable,
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Speaker 11: it became okay, it became appreciate, years normalized, and that's
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Speaker 11: what's happening in this country. And unless the government takes
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Speaker 11: a strong stand, then it will continue to be normalized
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Speaker 11: and our country will be torn to shreds. It just
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Speaker 11: is totally unacceptable to.
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Speaker 3: Have this sort of.
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Speaker 11: Build up of what is so ugly, which is so
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Speaker 11: destructive within our own land. To see it allowed to
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Speaker 11: happen here because government simply will not take a stand
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Speaker 11: so hypocritical is an almost too kind a word. It
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Speaker 11: is the personification of weakness of determination to try and
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Speaker 11: compromise in a situation where compromise is not welcome.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like every day when it's another matter
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Speaker 3: like this, I feel despair, Caleb. I mean, how can
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Speaker 3: this be the case? How can this be the country
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Speaker 3: we're living in? When hillel Ford is denied a visa
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Speaker 3: well with.
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Speaker 1: No good reason, clearly, but social division seems to be
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Speaker 1: a specialty of this federal government. As Bromwin said, you know,
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Speaker 1: right from the steps of the Opera House, nothing has
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Speaker 1: been done, and you get to the point where you
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Speaker 1: have this case now being run in the courts, and
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Speaker 1: I'll declare that I've never thought aighteen c should exist,
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Speaker 1: but that is the only recourse that has now been
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Speaker 1: available to do anything about this. I mean, when you've
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Speaker 1: got someone preaching about killing Jews, I mean, surely that
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Speaker 1: is incitement to violence, and they've never taken the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to go after that. So it now has to be
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Speaker 1: run through the civil courts. Both the state and federal
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Speaker 1: governments I think have been lax on this. They've done
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Speaker 1: very little to actually stem this issue. There's been no
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Speaker 1: appetite from law enforcement to charge someone and run one
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Speaker 1: of these cases. And I've always argued that you have
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Speaker 1: to do it, even if the case fails in court,
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Speaker 1: run the criminal case and see how it goes, because
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Speaker 1: if it fails, there will then be a mandate to
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Speaker 1: do something about it. But no one's had the guts
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Speaker 1: to do it.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, now we've been speaking about Trump's illegal immigration, which
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Speaker 3: is in the spotlight, but this fascinating story in the
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Speaker 3: Financial Review today reports at one hundred and eighty three
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Speaker 3: people on ten boats have arrived since the start of
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Speaker 3: the financial year. This is Home Affairs data, and they
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Speaker 3: say it's on track to be the highest number of
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Speaker 3: boats since twenty thirteen. I mean, Ronman, this is enormous.
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Speaker 3: It should be a major issue, and it's not.
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Speaker 11: We need Ray Hadley back wringing the bell every boat
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Speaker 11: arrives because the Labor Party has tried to cloak itself
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Speaker 11: in clothing that it doesn't belong to them. They're using
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Speaker 11: language that doesn't belong to them. They said, oh, yes,
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Speaker 11: we've agreed with the coalition's policy or coalition government's policy,
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Speaker 11: turned back the boats. The whole process that was put
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Speaker 11: in place that stopped the votes, but then they started
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Speaker 11: to dismantle it gently so the people didn't notice. So
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Speaker 11: whenever there's an election and they know that this government
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Speaker 11: is weak, the smugglers know this government is weak on
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Speaker 11: the question of boat arrivals, they then start to push
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Speaker 11: the envelope again. And that's exactly what's happening. So it
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Speaker 11: does need to be highlighted because the more it's pushed
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Speaker 11: under the carpet and not talked about every day, then
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Speaker 11: it will increase.
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Speaker 3: And what I think so worrying about this story Caleb
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Speaker 3: in the fin Review is that they went to Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke for comment and he wouldn't comments. We actually don't
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Speaker 3: know what precisely has happened to these votes.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's a legal voter rivals precisely. Why would they
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Speaker 1: want to tell us because we might actually learn something
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Speaker 1: in that and that would be bad. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: have to wonder how much of this goes back to
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Speaker 1: the n ZYQ case as well, because if the government
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Speaker 1: looks weak, people will try it on. We've had cases
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Speaker 1: where people have made land and the only way we've
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Speaker 1: found out about it is because the local Aboriginal people
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Speaker 1: have been flying drones about and gone Oh, hang on
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Speaker 1: a minute. Who were these people? Why are they there?
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Speaker 1: And they've tipped off the authorities. I mean, who knows
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Speaker 1: how many other people could have made land and we
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Speaker 1: don't even know about them. They could be floating around
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the country.
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Speaker 3: The message back exactly.
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Speaker 1: You send the message of weakness and people will give
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Speaker 1: it a go. We'll talk about a story tonight on
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Speaker 1: the Late Debate about the courts intervening in another one
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Speaker 1: of these cases where the government tried to deport them,
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Speaker 1: but they did it three years after the offense. So
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Speaker 1: the court said, we'll get your act together time and again.
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Speaker 1: The message is sent that we are weak when it
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Speaker 1: comes to migration and law. So why wouldn't you have
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Speaker 1: a go at getting exactly?
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Speaker 3: I spoke before about how this issue is playing out
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Speaker 3: in the United States with the violent riots in Los
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Speaker 3: Angeles bron When do you think Trump's actions in enforcing
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Speaker 3: the law. I mean that it might be heavy handed.
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Speaker 3: We don't know the actual tree by the ice officers.
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Speaker 3: But do you think this is fair enough or do
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Speaker 3: you think he's been too harsh here?
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Speaker 11: No, I don't think he's been too harsh because I
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Speaker 11: can well remember the chaos that occurred in twenty twenty
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Speaker 11: with the Black Lives Matter riots that just spread right
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Speaker 11: across the country, very sick and nothing was done to
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Speaker 11: stop them. And he's I think, taking to nip it
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Speaker 11: in the bug and in Los Angeles, you've got to
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Speaker 11: expect it's going to happen there. But by taking a
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Speaker 11: strong stance and saying no, it's not going to happen again,
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Speaker 11: We're not going to have this behavior again. I think
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Speaker 11: that was sensible.
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Speaker 3: We just hope it doesn't escalate and that no one
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Speaker 3: is actually killed. Just finally, reports tonight in the City
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Speaker 3: Morning Herald that ABC is planning to acts Q and A,
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Speaker 3: the political TV show on a Monday night. This comes
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Speaker 3: a day after ten scrapped the project. Caleb, is anyone
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Speaker 3: going to miss Q and A?
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Speaker 1: Probably not having look, you know again, it has to
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Speaker 1: be said, as many said last night, that it's sad
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Speaker 1: to see another current affairs programs disappear from television. But
23:07
Speaker 1: Q and A is just not fit for purpose anymore.
23:09
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a time when it first started
23:12
Speaker 1: under Tony Jones' hosting where it was pulling a million
23:15
Speaker 1: viewers every episode, and it was a place for public
23:19
Speaker 1: debate about serious issues facing the country with people from
23:23
Speaker 1: a broad political spectrum. It's just become these days a
23:27
Speaker 1: love in for lefties. People are not watching it because
23:30
Speaker 1: it's not actually debating the issues that matter to everyday Australians,
23:34
Speaker 1: so there's no purpose for it.
23:37
Speaker 12: No.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, I think a lot of those shows, well, most
23:40
Speaker 3: of the shows on the ABC are too biased, left leaning,
23:44
Speaker 3: no diversity of.
23:44
Speaker 4: Views and it's a big problem.
23:46
Speaker 3: Calebon from a bishop, so great to have you both,
23:49
Speaker 3: pleasure now. The coalition's position on net zero is emerging
23:53
Speaker 3: as a major point of contention since the election. The
23:57
Speaker 3: Liberal Party in particular is in disarray over what its
24:00
Speaker 3: policy should be. Moderate Liberals are adamant net zero should
24:04
Speaker 3: be maintained, but Conservatives say it needs.
24:07
Speaker 4: To be dumped.
24:08
Speaker 3: This is a feel that Energy Minister Energy Shadow Minister
24:12
Speaker 3: Dantean is going to have to deal with and he
24:14
Speaker 3: joins me live now, Dan, great to see you again. Well,
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Speaker 3: what will the coalition's position be on net zero?
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Speaker 12: Well, Shahi, we're going to make sure that we do
24:29
Speaker 12: the work that the Labor government clearly didn't do. Before
24:33
Speaker 12: we set our energy and emissions reduction target. We found
24:38
Speaker 12: out during the last election campaign that the modeling, the
24:42
Speaker 12: reputech modeling that the government based all their work on
24:48
Speaker 12: is now worthless. It's not worth the paper that it
24:53
Speaker 12: was written on. And so what we're now seeing is
24:56
Speaker 12: electricity prices going up, We're seeing gas prices going up,
25:01
Speaker 12: We're seeing emissions flat lining. We're seeing major industrial players
25:06
Speaker 12: in this country, like the Tomago aluminum smelter, under serious
25:12
Speaker 12: threat of closing. And it seems that the only way
25:16
Speaker 12: now that the government is going to achieve its target
25:22
Speaker 12: of net zero by twenty fifty is basically by threatening
25:26
Speaker 12: the energy security of this nation. Now, that is not
25:31
Speaker 12: the approach that the coalition is going to take, and
25:34
Speaker 12: we're going to take the time, do proper modeling, understand
25:39
Speaker 12: the costs, the costs of what the government are doing.
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Speaker 3: Shouldn't you have done for the last election. Should you
25:46
Speaker 3: have already done this modeling.
25:49
Speaker 12: Well, look, obviously we did work in the lead up
25:53
Speaker 12: to the last election, and we took a comprehensive nuclear
25:57
Speaker 12: policy for instance, to the Australian people. But we have
26:01
Speaker 12: to understand the outcome of that election, and we've got
26:05
Speaker 12: to now look at what we will do going forward.
26:09
Speaker 12: Because you have to remember there will be another three
26:12
Speaker 12: years down the track of Chris Bowen's ideologically driven renewables
26:19
Speaker 12: only approach, and where that leaves this country I think
26:24
Speaker 12: is in grave threat with regards to our energy security,
26:28
Speaker 12: grave threats with regards to increased electricity and gas courses.
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Speaker 3: For you to mount a coherent argument and attack the
26:35
Speaker 3: government and Chris Bowen as you need to do when
26:38
Speaker 3: you don't have your own position sided and we've heard
26:42
Speaker 3: articulated in the public domain very firmly held views from
26:46
Speaker 3: both miderate and conservative liberals. So how will you settle
26:49
Speaker 3: on a position that the party can unify behind.
26:55
Speaker 12: Well, I'm going to put a process in place whereby
26:59
Speaker 12: we make sure that we're consulting out in the community,
27:03
Speaker 12: we're consulting with experts, and we're taking all the very
27:07
Speaker 12: best advice as to what our energy policy and what
27:11
Speaker 12: our emissions reduction policy should be. Now we have time
27:16
Speaker 12: to make sure we get that right, because I don't
27:19
Speaker 12: want to be in a position do you have wearing.
27:22
Speaker 3: Golf when you are going to arrive at a position
27:26
Speaker 3: on that zero.
27:29
Speaker 12: Look, when we've got it right, when we've got the
27:32
Speaker 12: policy in place that we can take to the Australian
27:36
Speaker 12: people with confidence that we will be able to guarantee
27:40
Speaker 12: their energy security, keep electricity prices down, keep gas prices down,
27:46
Speaker 12: and make sure that we've got a pathway to sustainably
27:50
Speaker 12: reduce emissions, and we will present to the Australian people
27:54
Speaker 12: in good time.
27:55
Speaker 3: Do you personally support net zero?
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Speaker 12: I personally support net zero, but not at any cost,
28:02
Speaker 12: Sharhi and I want to make sure that the costs
28:06
Speaker 12: are clear and that we know that the best way
28:09
Speaker 12: that we should be reducing emissions, and I can tell
28:12
Speaker 12: you it won't be the way that Chris Bohne is
28:15
Speaker 12: doing it is doing it.
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Speaker 3: Our preference would be to maintain a commitment to it
28:22
Speaker 3: if the figures out up.
28:25
Speaker 11: Well.
28:25
Speaker 12: What I've said is if we can find a way
28:28
Speaker 12: which doesn't de industrialize this country, which enables us to
28:33
Speaker 12: keep downward pressure on electricity prices and on gas prices,
28:38
Speaker 12: and it means that we can continue to have aluminium smeltering,
28:43
Speaker 12: we can continue to have steel production, we can continue
28:46
Speaker 12: to have cement production, and we can make sure that
28:51
Speaker 12: competitively we can reduce our emissions along with the rest
28:55
Speaker 12: of the world. Absolutely, that's what we should be seeking
28:59
Speaker 12: to do, but we've got to make sure that we
29:02
Speaker 12: have policies in place which enable us to do that.
29:06
Speaker 12: And this is not an area where you can use
29:10
Speaker 12: a model like the government used reputech modeling, which they
29:14
Speaker 12: have now had to walk away from. So they're basically
29:18
Speaker 12: the whole basis of their energy policy is now based
29:23
Speaker 12: on nothing but a failed report that they did in opposition,
29:28
Speaker 12: which they said was the best modeling that had ever
29:32
Speaker 12: been done in opposition by anyone, and now they are
29:37
Speaker 12: left with a bit of paper that isn't worth the
29:41
Speaker 12: paper that it's written on.
29:42
Speaker 3: All Right, Dantine, we look forward to having you on
29:44
Speaker 3: the show again as you continue to work through this process.
29:47
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time.
29:49
Speaker 3: Now still to Carme Alban Eazy Wan's journalists not to
29:52
Speaker 3: criticize China. I mean this is next level censorship. And
29:55
Speaker 3: one of Australia's most eminent journalists, Paul Kelly, joins me
29:59
Speaker 3: live after watching the Hamas footage that Greta Thunberg refused.
30:03
Speaker 4: That's up next.
30:09
Speaker 3: Some breaking news now, there's devastating news breaking from Austria tonight,
30:14
Speaker 3: with the BBC reporting that nine people have been murdered
30:18
Speaker 3: in a high school shooting in the city of Graz.
30:20
Speaker 3: It's thought seven of those were killed. Seven of those
30:24
Speaker 3: who were killed were school students, one an adult, and
30:27
Speaker 3: the maze saying that the gunman has also been killed.
30:30
Speaker 3: It's believed he was a fellow student. Will bring you
30:34
Speaker 3: more news as it comes through. Terrible news there out
30:37
Speaker 3: of Austria, a school shooting right The Australians Editor at Large,
30:41
Speaker 3: Paul Kelly recently spent a week in Israel on a
30:44
Speaker 3: trip of editors and senior journalists. He was also accompanied
30:47
Speaker 3: by a former Treasurer, Josh Friedenberg, and they met with
30:51
Speaker 3: senior officials, including Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. Now, Paul is
30:56
Speaker 3: one of Australia's pre eminent journalists and deep thinkers, and
31:00
Speaker 3: in the Weekend Australian he wrote a profoundly thought provoking
31:03
Speaker 3: article weighing up the contentious issues that Israel faces both
31:07
Speaker 3: internally and abroad. And I'm thrilled to say Paul joins me.
31:12
Speaker 4: Now, Paul, thank you very much for your.
31:14
Speaker 3: Time personally, What are your reflections on this trip, On
31:19
Speaker 3: this visit to Israel, You've of course been before, but
31:22
Speaker 3: in the wake of October seven and when Israel is
31:25
Speaker 3: in the midst of this existential war.
31:28
Speaker 4: How did you find the trip?
31:29
Speaker 2: I think two main impressions, Shari. First of all, Israel
31:33
Speaker 2: is a deeply divided polity. The politics are bad, they're embittered.
31:40
Speaker 2: A lot of this centers around the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netnier,
31:43
Speaker 2: who is a polarizing figure. So the country is extremely
31:48
Speaker 2: divided about that. And of course they're grieving for the hostages,
31:53
Speaker 2: so there's tremendous resentment towards Netnio who because of the hostages.
31:57
Speaker 2: So that's the sense of the politics, that's the sense
32:00
Speaker 2: of division. But there's another impression as well, And that
32:03
Speaker 2: other impression is that this is a country at war.
32:07
Speaker 2: It's a country with a profound sense of purpose. It's
32:11
Speaker 2: a country where men and women, young men and women,
32:15
Speaker 2: do universal military service. They are committed to a sense
32:19
Speaker 2: of national destiny. I think this is really important. So
32:22
Speaker 2: these two elements go together, a divided politics, but still
32:27
Speaker 2: a profound sense of national mission, national commitment to Israel.
32:33
Speaker 3: Paul, in your article, you quote tal Becker who says
32:37
Speaker 3: that Zionism is a product of people who felt abandoned
32:41
Speaker 3: by the world. October seven has in some way Becker says,
32:46
Speaker 3: put this sense of an aloneness on steroids. Nobody understands
32:51
Speaker 3: the Jews, the media's against us, there's disinformation. It reinstates
32:55
Speaker 3: the sense of being on our own with our trouma.
32:58
Speaker 3: I think this is such a profound point. Was this
33:00
Speaker 3: a sense that was reinforced by your visit to Israel
33:04
Speaker 3: that it's a misunderstood nation.
33:07
Speaker 2: I think it is a misunderstood nation. I think this
33:10
Speaker 2: is a tragedy. This sense of loneliness is palpable, and
33:16
Speaker 2: when you talk to people, they might look at Australia's
33:19
Speaker 2: criticism of Israel and say, why are you doing this
33:21
Speaker 2: in Australia, And then in the next breath they'll be
33:24
Speaker 2: criticizing their own government. And I think the point to
33:27
Speaker 2: make about this is that Israel was created with this
33:32
Speaker 2: sense that it couldn't rely on the rest of the world.
33:35
Speaker 2: After it was created and had to look after itself,
33:38
Speaker 2: it was under attack right from the start. It's fought
33:40
Speaker 2: a number of wars throughout its history because most of
33:44
Speaker 2: its neighbors have never accepted its legitimacy. So it's not
33:49
Speaker 2: surprising there is this sense of embattlement. But I think
33:52
Speaker 2: this is one of the really bad features about Israel today,
33:57
Speaker 2: this sense of isolation, this sense that the world world
34:00
Speaker 2: is moving away from us, the world has turned its
34:02
Speaker 2: back on us. Now, this is a bad thing. It's
34:04
Speaker 2: the product of two factors. Of course, One is the
34:07
Speaker 2: nature of the war, the nature of the war in Gaza.
34:11
Speaker 2: But a second mine, of course, is that there's a
34:14
Speaker 2: lot of anti Israeli sentiment in much of the Western world,
34:19
Speaker 2: and the war has been the excuse for a lot
34:22
Speaker 2: of people, particular people on the left of fan that sentiment.
34:27
Speaker 3: It has, indeed, and it extends to the not just
34:30
Speaker 3: to israelis I think, but that sense of abandonment extends
34:33
Speaker 3: to the Jewish community around the world.
34:36
Speaker 2: It does. It does.
34:37
Speaker 3: Look you right of Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo
34:40
Speaker 3: that he has three goals. To win the war against Humus,
34:44
Speaker 3: to eliminate around nuclear program, to normalize ties with Saudi Arabia.
34:50
Speaker 3: And I know that because he told me himself when
34:52
Speaker 3: I met with him. I'd add there's another goal he has,
34:55
Speaker 3: which is to bring home the hostages. How do you
34:58
Speaker 3: assess that he going in his bid to achieve these goals.
35:04
Speaker 2: He's not going well. Now, I appreciate the goals, but
35:08
Speaker 2: the goals are goals of enormous ambition, and I think
35:13
Speaker 2: the problem is that, I'd say there are two There
35:17
Speaker 2: are two fundamental defects here. One is that net Yale
35:20
Speaker 2: has got a military strategy and it's been very successful.
35:24
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a political strategy. And we know from
35:28
Speaker 2: wars throughout history that you can't succeed unless you've got
35:32
Speaker 2: both together. So a military strategy is not going to
35:34
Speaker 2: be enough even if the military strategy prevails in Gaza,
35:38
Speaker 2: and there are major question marks about that. I think
35:41
Speaker 2: the other difficulty that netne who faces is that he
35:45
Speaker 2: can't talk to the world. He can't speak to the world.
35:49
Speaker 2: He can't speak to the world in moral terms. He
35:52
Speaker 2: can't explain to the world what Israel's actually doing. He
35:56
Speaker 2: has trouble persuading his own people, can't persuade the world. Now,
36:02
Speaker 2: if we look at the goals, the goals to win
36:06
Speaker 2: the war in Gaza, well, there's a military question mark
36:09
Speaker 2: about whether or not that's possible. But he has no
36:11
Speaker 2: political strategy for Gaza. After the military victory. The objective
36:16
Speaker 2: is to, of course, to.
36:17
Speaker 3: Establish and that he said publicly anyway, well.
36:19
Speaker 2: Well, well, I've probed a lot of people. What is
36:22
Speaker 2: the strategy? If it exists, I certainly couldn't find it.
36:27
Speaker 2: His objective, of course, is to is to establish diplomatic
36:30
Speaker 2: relations with Saudi Arabia. That would be a world transforming event.
36:34
Speaker 2: He's got to give the Saudi something to do that,
36:37
Speaker 2: and I can't see what that is. And finally, the
36:39
Speaker 2: Iranians and the Iranians are a fundamental problem, and that's
36:43
Speaker 2: where you deal with Nettniahu and Donald Trump.
36:47
Speaker 3: And just finally, I'm being told we're out of time.
36:50
Speaker 3: But just finally, I do want to ask you about
36:52
Speaker 3: Trump and Iran, because you know clearly Israel does want
36:57
Speaker 3: to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities. I mean, this needs to
37:01
Speaker 3: happen one way or another. Trump has taken this pacifist approach.
37:04
Speaker 3: He once it done through dialogue. That seems unrealistic at
37:09
Speaker 3: this point, doesn't it.
37:11
Speaker 2: Trump supports Israel, but I think there are a lot
37:13
Speaker 2: of differences between Trump and net NYAHUO. Now, the view
37:16
Speaker 2: of Israeli is Iran is historically weak. This is a
37:21
Speaker 2: particularly important moment. This is the moment when the nuclear program,
37:25
Speaker 2: when the enrichment program must be terminated. It can be
37:28
Speaker 2: terminated either by negotiations or by a military strike. Enter Trump.
37:34
Speaker 11: So the Trump.
37:34
Speaker 2: Administration is doing all the negotiations and so far the
37:38
Speaker 2: offer is pretty weak. The Iranians have said no, They're
37:42
Speaker 2: calling Trump's bluff. So what will Trump do? Will Trump
37:47
Speaker 2: knuckle down and get a decent negotiated settlement out of
37:52
Speaker 2: the Iranians? I don't think so. In that case, the
37:55
Speaker 2: only option left for Israel is that is the military strike.
38:00
Speaker 2: But they can't strike against Iran unless they've got the
38:02
Speaker 2: green light from America, and probably unless they've got some
38:06
Speaker 2: military support from America. So on both fronts, Trump is
38:10
Speaker 2: a problem in terms of Israelis and in terms of
38:13
Speaker 2: Israel's ambition dealing with Iran.
38:16
Speaker 3: And did Paul. I could talk to you for an hour,
38:19
Speaker 3: but we're out of time. Such an honor to have
38:21
Speaker 3: you on as always. I admire you more than I
38:24
Speaker 3: can say.
38:24
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
38:25
Speaker 2: Thanks Sary.
38:27
Speaker 3: Now still to calm Albanizi Wann's journalist not to criticize
38:30
Speaker 3: China in bizarre comments and the idea Albanezi copied without
38:35
Speaker 3: credit from my next guest, Camer Milner.
38:39
Speaker 4: That's next, Well.
38:46
Speaker 3: Anthony, Albanezi today basically admitted he didn't know how to
38:49
Speaker 3: lift productivity and so was organized a roundtable of business,
38:53
Speaker 3: unions and civil society to come up with a plan.
38:57
Speaker 3: Now this is funny because just two weeks ago forma
38:59
Speaker 3: chief of staff to Bill Shorten, Camra Milner suggested this
39:04
Speaker 3: very idea, writing in The Nightly that Labour should hold
39:07
Speaker 3: a tax and productivity summit just like Keating dead in
39:11
Speaker 3: eighty four and have an open conversation with unions and business.
39:15
Speaker 4: About tax reform.
39:16
Speaker 3: And Cameron Milner and former Press secretary for Scott Morrison
39:20
Speaker 3: Andrew Casle join me. Now welcome to both. Look, Cameron,
39:23
Speaker 3: we know Albin Easy reads your column and complains about
39:27
Speaker 3: it to anyone who'll listen, but it seems he has
39:29
Speaker 3: actually picked up an idea from you.
39:33
Speaker 13: Yeah, there've been a few complaints the way it has
39:35
Speaker 13: over the last three years, but no, Look, the idea
39:37
Speaker 13: of a summit is one that's needed. I mean, our
39:39
Speaker 13: growth numbers are terrible. We're in a per capita of
39:41
Speaker 13: session for the last two and a half years, and
39:44
Speaker 13: our productivity is a nation is nowhere to be seen.
39:47
Speaker 13: That's why Jim Chalmers is the Treasure has already put
39:49
Speaker 13: productivity on the gender and I think a summit to
39:51
Speaker 13: bring business and unions together and indeed the Liberal Party
39:54
Speaker 13: as well and the parliamentarians to actually solve this problem
39:57
Speaker 13: as a nation is absolutely necessary. But no, today National
40:00
Speaker 13: Press Club moment for Albo was the PHONEO Freendom moment.
40:03
Speaker 1: Free moment.
40:04
Speaker 13: Because he's run out of ideas out we need to
40:06
Speaker 13: ask other people to form.
40:07
Speaker 2: Out what he is to do.
40:09
Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly right, Andrew. This isn't admission. Isn't
40:12
Speaker 3: it that the Albanezi government has no idea how to
40:15
Speaker 3: improve productivity?
40:18
Speaker 14: Well, it's not so much that they don't have any idea,
40:20
Speaker 14: that's the most schooling part. It's it's the fact that
40:23
Speaker 14: they've spent the last three years smashing productivity in this
40:26
Speaker 14: country with the imposition of two reckless tranches of industrial
40:31
Speaker 14: relations changes. They've driven a nail through productivity in this country.
40:35
Speaker 14: It's gone backwards at a greater rate than it was before.
40:38
Speaker 14: So it's almost like they're trying to put the toothpaste
40:41
Speaker 14: back in the tube without even talking about changing those
40:44
Speaker 14: changes to industrial relations. So but I agree with Cameron
40:48
Speaker 14: too though, having this on the agenda is important and
40:51
Speaker 14: having this as a central theme of the next the
40:54
Speaker 14: current term of this government is crucial because lagging productivity
40:59
Speaker 14: is a major in his to economic growth in this country.
41:01
Speaker 14: It's a major block on foreign investment coming into this country,
41:04
Speaker 14: which we so desperately need. You know, there are a
41:07
Speaker 14: mountain of companies, multinational companies, investors that want to invest
41:12
Speaker 14: in Australia. Now they're not because of lacking productivity. They're
41:15
Speaker 14: not because of our competitive our uncompetitive tax raging. They're
41:19
Speaker 14: not because of the regulations and the red tape that
41:22
Speaker 14: sit there as an impost on business. So if they
41:25
Speaker 14: want their combin our moment in canberrall with the business
41:28
Speaker 14: community and others, then I welcome that, as long as
41:30
Speaker 14: they go in knowing that they've got two ears and
41:33
Speaker 14: one mouth.
41:34
Speaker 3: And I'd also just add to that list they're not
41:36
Speaker 3: investing because of uncertainty, because decisions in the past have
41:39
Speaker 3: been ripped up on ideological grounds. Now, the Prime Minister
41:44
Speaker 3: was also pressed today on his stubbornness around defense spending. Now, Cameron,
41:49
Speaker 3: this is clearly going to be a feature of the
41:51
Speaker 3: upcoming G seven talks with the Trump administration. So why
41:55
Speaker 3: is he refusing to even say that he'll consider increasing
41:59
Speaker 3: defense spend.
42:02
Speaker 13: It's crazy, isn't it. I Mean, every night we see
42:04
Speaker 13: the world getting more uncertain and more dangerous and military
42:07
Speaker 13: presences on our very doorstep, Sharie. And yet why wouldn't
42:10
Speaker 13: we as a nation want to build up our military
42:12
Speaker 13: and build up our defense capability. Look, I think Albot's
42:15
Speaker 13: pretty uncomfortable around servicemen and women. You see him on
42:18
Speaker 13: Anzac Day, but you don't seem any other day of
42:20
Speaker 13: the year really being with our serving soldiers and Navy.
42:23
Speaker 3: And Air Force.
42:24
Speaker 13: Look, I mean, I think at the end of the day,
42:26
Speaker 13: those lefty views, those inner city views, being pretty pacivist,
42:30
Speaker 13: don't make them comfortable being around defense. But we as
42:33
Speaker 13: a nation need to put more money in and we
42:35
Speaker 13: need to do it sooner. And Orcas is not just
42:37
Speaker 13: the only answer. We need immediate capability with the threats
42:40
Speaker 13: we've currently got.
42:41
Speaker 3: I mean, this is right, isn't it, Andrew. It's just
42:45
Speaker 3: almost the childish insistence that ALBINIZI won't consider lifting even
42:50
Speaker 3: as an aspiration. The percentage of GDP that we spent on.
42:53
Speaker 4: Defense, Well, it's a stubbornness, I think.
42:57
Speaker 14: And yes, there's some budget, budgetary constraints, but the rest
43:01
Speaker 14: of the world is moving in step with higher percentage
43:04
Speaker 14: of GDP on defense spending, and we're sitting at two
43:08
Speaker 14: point zero three. It's pitiful. So this to me is
43:12
Speaker 14: a tool to negotiate with Donald Trump. I mean, there
43:14
Speaker 14: are many non negotiables that should define this moment for
43:18
Speaker 14: Anthony Abernezi, and it is a sink or swim moment
43:21
Speaker 14: for him. And there are some non negotiables to not
43:24
Speaker 14: go anywhere near and that's bisecurity on cattle, it's social
43:29
Speaker 14: media laws that we have in place here, and he
43:32
Speaker 14: has outlined these things.
43:33
Speaker 3: It's PBS.
43:35
Speaker 14: So they're the lines that you don't cross. But there
43:36
Speaker 14: are some things that you give away as well, and
43:39
Speaker 14: one of those things is defense spending. Is it is
43:41
Speaker 14: nothing for us to increase our commitment not only to
43:45
Speaker 14: our partners and our alliances, but to give ourselves the
43:47
Speaker 14: capability that.
43:48
Speaker 4: We sorely need.
43:50
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Andrew Carsil camer Mila, thank you both
43:53
Speaker 3: very much for your time. Now, coming up next to
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Speaker 3: China's plans for a super embassy in the heart of
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Speaker 3: one of the most important is in the world and
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Speaker 3: what it'll mean.
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Speaker 4: For Australia, that's next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. China is planning to build what's dubbed a
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Speaker 3: super embassy in the heart of London. Their significant national
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Speaker 3: security concern about what the Chinese Communist Party could do
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Speaker 3: with an embassy in the middle of one of the
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Speaker 3: world's most powerful nations. America is reportedly concerned, and it's
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Speaker 3: said that it even has the potential to derail trade talks.
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Speaker 3: The Interparliamentary Alliance and China's executive director Luke de Pulford
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Speaker 3: joins me. Now, Luke, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: So what exactly is China planning here and what are
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Speaker 3: the concerns around it.
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Speaker 15: So China is planning to develop the largest embassy in
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Speaker 15: Europe in London in a very prestigious site directly opposite
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Speaker 15: the Tower of London. Just to give you an indication
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Speaker 15: of size. This is planned to have over one hundred
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Speaker 15: and thirty additional flats for PRC state employees in addition
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Speaker 15: to an already very large site. And the concerns are
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Speaker 15: broadly threefold. First of all, we suspect that this is
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Speaker 15: going to become a base for all of China's European
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Speaker 15: interference operations which are already very considerable. We also know
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Speaker 15: that the site is very inappropriate because there's no space
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Speaker 15: for protest outside of it. In fact, we organized two
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Speaker 15: very large protests of four and five thousand people each
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Speaker 15: which blocked all of the very busy adjacent road network.
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Speaker 15: So it's an inappropriate site anyway because people won't be
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Speaker 15: able to express speech freely. But the critical point is this,
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Speaker 15: it has been exposed that the site, which is Royal
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Speaker 15: Mint Court, so initially where we had our mint to
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Speaker 15: create all of our currency, is directly over sensitive cabling
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Speaker 15: which feeds UK financial services, so the very backbone of
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Speaker 15: the United Kingdom economy. And the background to that is
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Speaker 15: that it was reported that previously the Chinese of allied
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Speaker 15: once before there was an objection from our intelligence services
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Speaker 15: on the basis that this could imperil UK financial infrastructure.
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Speaker 3: So if those are the concerns that it has the
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Speaker 3: potential to imperil UK financial infrastructure, could that then have
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Speaker 3: an impact on countries that do have close ties to
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Speaker 3: the UK, particularly a five Eyes partner like Australia.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely so, these are fiber optic cables which feed UK
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Speaker 15: financial services, but not just the UK, so anz Combank,
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Speaker 15: westpank Westpac and National Australia Bank all have a very
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Speaker 15: significant presence in London. They're all using these cables. The
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Speaker 15: cables feed UK financial infrastructure, but not just UK financial infrastructure,
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Speaker 15: and this was the reason that the United States government
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Speaker 15: on Sunday expressed their concerns, saying to the UK, we
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Speaker 15: hope you're not going to take a decision here which
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Speaker 15: is going to put our financial services at risk. My
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Speaker 15: strong view is that the Australian governments and Australian politicians
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Speaker 15: should be aware of this risk and should do the same.
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Speaker 15: This is going to create real vulnerabilities for Australian financial services.
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Speaker 3: Has Kiir Stama been open to listening to the concerns
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Speaker 3: that you and security experts and intelligence services have.
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Speaker 15: Well at the moment, the government is keeping its powder
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Speaker 15: dry and saying well, it's all in the planning process
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Speaker 15: and will make a decision in due course. What I
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Speaker 15: would say is that there's tremendous diplomatic pressure so highly
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Speaker 15: unusually she's inpeing and is meeting with Kir Starmer on
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Speaker 15: the sidelines of the G twenty last year raised the
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Speaker 15: location of their embassy in London. As the number one
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Speaker 15: thing which needed to be sorted out to normalize diplomatic
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Speaker 15: relations with the UK. So you can see this very
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Speaker 15: heavy pressure and they've already been sold the building by
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Speaker 15: the last government. So now our government is facing the
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Speaker 15: very difficult decision whether or not to say that they
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Speaker 15: can develop it into this massive embassy, the largest embassy
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Speaker 15: in Europe. Our argument is that this presents to totally
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Speaker 15: unacceptable national security risks, not just for US but to
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Speaker 15: our allies as well.
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Speaker 3: Look, our Prime minister today said that Australia shouldn't view
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Speaker 3: China as a national security threat but rather a strategic
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Speaker 3: competition any bizarrely encourage journalists to do the same. I
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Speaker 3: don't have time to play you the clip now, but
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Speaker 3: is this an out of place, bizarre warning to journalists
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Speaker 3: that almost amounts to censorship.
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Speaker 4: What do you think about this?
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Speaker 15: Well, I put it this way, China is very clearly
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Speaker 15: an adversary. We need to move on from this language
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Speaker 15: of strategic competition. It's no longer appropriate. The CCP under
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Speaker 15: cGMP is more oppressive at home, much more aggressive abroad.
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Speaker 15: We're seeing interference, United frontwork, the inculcation, the deliberate inculcation
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Speaker 15: of dependencies, undermining international institutions, massive human rights abuses, South China,
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Speaker 15: sea aggression. They want to remake the global order in
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Speaker 15: their own image. So this isn't about being a strategic competitor.
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Speaker 15: This is about being clear about the threat and as
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Speaker 15: to what journalists might think. I mean, Australia is a
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Speaker 15: country which respects free speech indeed press.
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Speaker 3: And perhaps the Prime Minister should as well. Look to Pulford.
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Speaker 3: We're out of time, Thank you so much and thanks
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Speaker 3: for your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 4: And here's Paul