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  get laced up let's go it's time for banter with
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  the boys welcome back to banter with the boys
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  gridiron updates back for another season both
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  of us rob rob's here too yeah i love everybody
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  i'm so excited 2025, clean slate. Everyone's
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  ready to roll. Another journey for the Vikings.
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  Let's go to the bowl. Let's go to the bowl again.
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  Of course. We're still waiting. Yeah, so what
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  we got for you on deck today is we're going to
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  come at you with the AFC East preview. And a
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  little bit later this evening, we're going to
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  preview the rest of the AFC and keep going. So
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  watch out for those episodes as well. This will
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  probably be the first one dropped. Just waste
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  no time here, and we're just going to dive immediately
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  into the AFC East. So, Rob, for me, I think we
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  should start with the one and only, the notorious
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  New York Jets. Ooh, you're going there. I thought
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  you were going to go with the MVP conversation.
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  What's the HBO show? Hard Knocks going on right
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  now. I watched the first episode last night.
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  It was pretty good. Prediction for me, 12 -5.
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  That's kind of where I'm sitting at offensively.
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  Whoa, you mean 5 -12. 5 -12. For the Jets. Oh,
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  we're going to the Jets. Sorry, I wanted the
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  Bills already. I thought we'd find them. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, Jets, Jets. Jets, 6 -11. J -E -T
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  -S, Jets. Aaron's gone. I'm not a big fan of
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  the quarterback. So defensively, if you're a
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  fan of this show, you know dang well that Rob
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  isn't a big Justin Fields guy. Yeah, defensively,
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  I mean, I think they're solid still. They picked
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  up. Both of their tackles on offense are new.
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  They got a couple. You know, still got Garrett
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  Wilson. I mean, where'd you pick them? They just
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  picked up Harrison Phillips on the D -line yesterday.
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  That's whatever. We'll get to that when we touch
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  on the Vikings like next week. And they have
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  Aaron Glenn. I mean, we got to throw that out
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  there. That's probably going to be the number
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  one, you know, changing hopefully the vibe there
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  in New York. So defensive -minded coach. So you
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  have them finishing the exact same as last year,
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  5 -12? 6 -11. Oh, you have them at 6 -11. 6 -11.
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  I also have them improving to 6 -11. Oh, do you?
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  Exactly. All right. Yes. And Rob and I did not
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  talk about where we got teams at all. This is
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  all – It was tough. We did not discuss this,
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  which is hard. We discuss football a lot when
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  we're in season. But I think offensively, they
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  drafted a – tackle first in the first round this
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  year so i think offensively i think they'll show
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  a little bit better um they averaged 19 .4 only
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  for points per game so if that improves a little
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  bit i could maybe see them get up to seven but
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  i feel even at six i'm a little bit of stretching
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  so we'll see if aaron glenn's magics is good
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  enough to you know bring back the jets Oh, God.
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  Yeah. I mean, and we see it all the time. You
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  know, I'll touch on it a little bit later with
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  the Bengals, actually, even. But when you bring
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  in a new coordinator, sometimes that can just
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  spark something new, and it could change things
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  drastically right out of the gate. The one thing
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  I do want to mention, I know last year we talked
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  a lot about quarterbacks, a lot about running
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  backs. This year, for me, I'm probably going
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  to talk a lot about the offensive linemen. The
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  Jets still have a top 10 O -line, so that is
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  something they do have going for them. Let's
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  just hope that they can protect fields long enough
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  to get a good read. You're just not high on fields.
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  If it was your team right now, would you be starting
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  Tyrod Taylor over fields then? Since he's just
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  currently the backup at the moment. No, I mean,
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  no. I still think fields. Legs are enough of
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  a threat. He's an athlete. He's an athlete. So
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  defensive coordinators are always, you know,
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  that's the toughest thing, you know, to defend.
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  It's just consistency on the passing game. That's
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  where I struggle with him. Yeah, for sure. So,
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  yeah, like we said, the Jets finished 5 -12 last
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  year. We both have them upgrading to 6 -11. So
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  I think. In that division, yeah. I mean, they're
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  tied for last for me because I have another team
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  sitting at 6 -11. And that is the Miami Dolphins,
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  who went 8 -9 last year. I have them finishing
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  last, the Jets, so that's where I'm at. You have
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  the Jets last? I did, yep. So where do you have
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  the Dolphins finishing this season? So the Dolphins,
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  let me find them real quick here, Mr. A. Chan.
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  Mr. A. Chan, yes. 9 -8, that's kind of where
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  I finish them right now. It's all about Tua.
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  Tua needs to stay healthy. He played 11 games
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  last year, 19 TDs, 7 interpets. So when he's
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  in there. They win, but it's just him consistently
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  staying on. No, and that's exactly where I was
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  at, too, when I was going through their schedule.
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  It's just like, so how many of these games do
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  we have two of four? Because when two is in the
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  game, it does feel like a different team. Oh,
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  it's a completely different team. They feel very
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  competitive. You still have, at the moment, as
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  of today, you still have Tyreek Hill on the outside.
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  You got Jalen Waddell there. convince Darren
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  Waller to come out of retirement as a rapper
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  as a rapper out of his rapping career like I
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  don't know a lot a lot to like uh defensively
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  you know you picked up Minka Fitzpatrick for
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  Jalen Ramsey that's for me that's kind of a even
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  swap Jalen Ramsey's a freak athlete. You can
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  kind of put him wherever, and we'll touch on
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  him with the Steelers later. They picked up Ashton
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  Davis, too, from the Jets as another corner.
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  Defensively, that's what I was going to say about
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  them. That was not the issue. They did have a
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  ton of injuries. Jalen Phillips only playing
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  four games. Then you have Tom Robinson coming
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  back. Campbell was out, too. And they finished,
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  you know, 10th. Did Bradley Chubb play a whole
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  season? I don't think so. You know, like, it's
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  just, yeah, their whole defense was just getting
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  wrecked by injuries last season. So, two on their
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  defense. Stay healthy, you know. That's why I
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  have them still at that 500. I could easily see
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  them winning 10 games, too. Well, and that's
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  just it. And, of course, easier for me to say
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  at six wins, trying to save face a little bit.
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  But not even. I mean, I think they could be that
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  drastic of a season for them. It could be a six
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  -win season. It could be a ten -win season. Their
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  floor and ceiling is a very five -game difference
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  there. And for me, this season, the division
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  got a little bit tougher, only due to this next
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  team that we'll talk about here. Okay, okay.
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  The New England Patriots. A lot of people have
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  the Patriots winning nine. Ten games, which I
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  find crazy. I do not have them winning that many.
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  Nor do I. Close. Very close. I think last year
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  Vegas had them at four and a half, and they ended
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  up at four. And this year I think Vegas has them
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  at about eight and a half, actually. The Mike
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  Vrabel add two wins automatically to the season
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  concept. But, again, it's the same thing with
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  the head coach. It's a complete different culture
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  change. So I have them going eight and nine.
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  That's exactly where I have them. Really? Gosh,
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  this is crazy. We're right on the money. Other
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  than the Dolphins, we had a little bit. They
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  need to prove offensively. They average 17 points
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  a game. Drake playing his second year now. They
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  get digs. Jalen Polk, their second round pick
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  last year, only played one game. I saw some stat.
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  If he would have done the same thing he did in
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  the first game, he would have won the triple
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  crown over Chase. That's all good. Well, I didn't
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  look up his numbers, but his first game must
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  have been really well. Well, I thought he's on
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  the bubble. Oh, leaving now? Yeah, he's definitely
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  on the bubble. He's sitting at least at the current
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  moment again today. He's sitting at third on
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  the depth chart. That's the number two receiver.
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  Maybe he's not fully back for that injury. He
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  might not be. There's a lot of rumors about Kendrick
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  Bourne being cut to another veteran receiver
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  linked to possibly our Minnesota Vikings. Because
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  they did get Matt Collins from the Bills, and
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  then they still got the two. I like Matt Collins.
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  Yeah, he was solid big. red red zone still have
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  hunter henry there still have austin hooper yeah
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  kind of hide in there man he was a top fantasy
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  tight end for what a year or two yeah back when
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  he was in Atlanta yeah because Henry had 674
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  yards and Hooper had 476 so there's a thousand
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  yards out of your tight ends so and then it's
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  back to the running game they do it pick up the
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  Henderson from Ohio State and that's going to
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  be of Stevenson and Gibbs still there too so
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  maybe improved on the offensive line it looks
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  good on paper honestly but I think their best
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  bet is that Trayvon Henderson comes out like
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  he was doing at Ohio State because the Patriots'
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  run game last year was extremely underwhelming.
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  But Will Campbell, number one pick from LSU,
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  is a huge upgrade. That dude I like. Have you
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  seen his tape or whatever that everybody freaks
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  out about? It's crazy to see an offensive lineman's
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  tape go that hard and blah, blah, blah. But he
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  is mean. That dude is mean, even in that preseason
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  game. I don't think it was the Vikings. I think
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  it was this game before. Maybe it was the Vikes.
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  I can't remember now. Where he just absolutely
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  pancaked a guy, kept going, working downfield,
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  and just destroying everything in his path. Defensively,
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  the Patriots are, again, pretty underwhelming
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  on the bottom third of the league, probably.
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  Yeah, that's... I mean... I don't... I mean,
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  I think they... Carlton Davis was not there last
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  year, if I remember properly. No, Carlton Davis
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  wasn't there. They picked up Jarrell Peppers.
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  He was injured for four games. I liked Jarrell
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  Peppers a lot. Who else did they have? Kirsten
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  Biltmore, one of the D tackles. They also still
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  have Gonzalez on the outside. So, yeah, their
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  defense was bad last year. Gonzalez was still
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  young. Last in sacks. Secondary needs to play
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  better other than Gonzalez. I mean, they do have
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  some guys. They're younger, and then you get
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  that Mike Vrater. style defense you know cooking
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  i mean that's where i kind of think that they
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  might you know squeeze up a little bit more than
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  last year to eight nine but also it's on drake
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  main you know if he's gonna be the guy Is he
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  the guy from what you saw last year? I mean,
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  obviously we need more. That's an easy out. What
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  is the more that you would need to see from him?
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  Just consistently climb, you know, just as long
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  as he's still getting better every week and not
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  making the same mistakes. You know, that's where
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  I think Richardson is at right now. He keeps
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  making the same mistakes. Well, Richardson, we
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  saw a lot of it with Will Levis. A lot of these
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  other younger quarterbacks just not quite figuring
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  it out. But he's got the talent. And I think
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  they're going to run the ball a ton. So, I mean,
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  that always helps the quarterback. We picked
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  up Stephon Diggs. What's your feeling on Diggs?
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  Is he a legitimate number one receiver still?
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  No. I mean, he's a slot guy at this point. I
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  mean, I think he still has a skill set to, especially
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  in zones, finding those pockets and stuff like
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  that. He's still got good handball, you know.
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  Sure. No, for sure. Catches the ball, you know.
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  Handball skills. Got it. No, I got you. No, I
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  got you. Got it. Got him. All right. And then
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  last but not least, the team that finished 13
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  -4 that continues to come up short on their Super
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  Bowl dreams. Bills fans, I'm talking about you.
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  Talking about the Bills. Circle the wagons one
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  more year. Oh, my gosh. Can they do it? Can they
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  get it done? Their window's closing. But Josh
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  Allen is magical, too, kind of like Mahomes.
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  I mean, these guys, Lamar Jackson's another one.
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  You can't really count these guys out. They just
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  make it happen, hence why Josh Allen won MVP
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  last year, putting the team on his back. So where
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  do you have them? Yeah, so they finished 13 -4
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  last year. I have them. improving, if that's
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  even possible, to 14 -3. I had to make note specifically
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  their L's. Their three L's coming from the Eagles,
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  the Texans, and the Ravens. Okay. But I do have
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  them beating the Chiefs in the regular season.
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  That seems to be a big regular season matchup
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  now. And then, you know, another slight notable
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  game against a playoff team. I have them beating
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  the Bucs as well. Your team. My team? Yeah, I
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  got them at 12 -5, you know, about the same as
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  last year. Yeah, I mean, they average over 30
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  points a game, you know, lowest turnovers. Allen's
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  just cooking, you know. I think they only got
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  better. Their offensive line are studs and defensively.
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  Yeah, they're another one with a great O -line.
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  You know, so, I mean. they just gotten better
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  joey bosa if he can stay healthy he can still
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  make things happen and not what he was yeah and
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  the secondary is where their issues were a little
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  bit i would say last year so that's why they
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  went out and got that maxwell harrison in the
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  first round for kentucky so um they're just they're
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  gonna be a tough team and josh allen you know
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  top five quarterbacks are always tough to beat
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  no matter what every week so how do you feel
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  about their receiving core right now with khalil
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  shakur i mean again i don't feel he's a a true
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  number one receiver, and neither is Coleman,
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  really. For me, they're 2A receivers. I mean,
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  all they lost was Mack, right? Hollins? Mack
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  Hollins. Or Davis. That was two years ago. Gabe
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  Davis was gone, yeah, two years ago. He went
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  to Jacksonville before. I think it's the same.
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  I like Palmer from the Chargers that they picked
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  up. So that adds another element on the outside.
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  He's more outside receiver. Still two decent
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  tight ends there, too, in Kincaid and Knox. And
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  Cook has over 1 ,000 yards. Ledley and TD, 16.
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  Did he just sign a new deal? That's a great question.
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  Year of the running backs. That's what I'm calling
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  it this year. They're back. This can't be real.
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  Please tell me Frank Gore is retired, right?
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  Probably not. Dude, it says he's the fourth running
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  back on the Bills depth chart right now. That
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  can't be true. No, it's his kid. That's what
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  I thought, right? But that's a picture of Frank
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  Gore. I saw a birth date, 1983. That's not his
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  kid. Interesting. No way. Someone look that up
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  for me right now. That can't be real. That can't
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  be real. I think I'm using ESPN's depth chart
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  just to double check things, and they're probably
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  playing tricks on me. Yeah. And it is of current
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  year, so. I would go with that probably for sure.
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  Yeah. Yeah. But. Yeah. Bills, can they get over
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  the hump this year? I mean, they came up. I don't
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  think so. I don't think the Bills are winning
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  the Super Bowl this year. I think they could
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  go to the AFC Championship game, and I think
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  they're going to lose, and it's not going to
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  be to the Chiefs. So you don't think they got
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  better? I mean, they were three points away from
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  making the Super Bowl last year. For sure. So
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  they could still do it, but I don't think they're
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  going to do it. Do you have them in the AFC Championship
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  game? Yeah. Against? The Ravens. Two teams that
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  their Super Bowl window is right now. Ravens
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  are another one. That's exactly right there.
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  I think they'll be contending. It's all about
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  injuries. Availability is their best ability.
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  That's going to be the name of the game for every
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  team. If the Vikings stay healthy, they're going
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  to the Super Bowl, bro. Every year. We just keep
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  telling ourselves that. The Bills are going to
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  be tough. I feel like, though, you could replace
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  the Bills with the Vikings fans, and we all feel
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  the same every year. I would not be disappointed
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  if the Bills win a Super Bowl. I was kind of
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  hoping for Bills fans that they could get them
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  one. It's got to be somebody new this year, so
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  I guess Bills or Vikes. Let's go purple. Yeah,
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  of course, always. That wraps up the East. Don't
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  forget to look out for the AFC North, AFC South,
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  and the AFC West previews coming up shortly as
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  well. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe,
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  or if you listen to the banter, whether that's
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  Rob, thanks for getting this thing. We're going
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  here this season. It's awesome. It's great to
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  be back. First rip, great to be back. Kev is
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  always behind the cameras and the microphone.
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  Well, we're behind the microphones. He's behind
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  the wires at the end of the – no, too far. Too
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  far. Anyway, Kev getting it done as always, and
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  we will see you in the next episode. Peace. Don't
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  forget to follow, like, and subscribe. Tune in
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  next time for more banter with the boys. Thanks
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  for watching!