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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. Ashlyn Sullivan, John Osan and NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks bring you the latest on
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Speaker 1: your Jackson Hille Jaguars. Welcome to Cuddle Up with Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks starts right now. Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan, Bucky Brooks, and John Osier here from the
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, live from Radio Row. And
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Speaker 1: we are on day two of our Jaguars dot Com coverage.
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Speaker 1: Two more days to go. But Bucky, I have a
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Speaker 1: feeling he'll be here all week We'll be here all weekend.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. I'm so excited. It's my favorite
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Speaker 1: time of years, my favorite time of year because now
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Speaker 1: only do we get a chance to see all of
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Speaker 1: these prospects that will eventually be the stars of tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: It's a convention of sorts. We're gonna be around all
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Speaker 1: the football people. I get to see all the coaches
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Speaker 1: and the scouts and kind of figure out who's who,
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Speaker 1: what's what, the trends. It's the only time we are
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Speaker 1: all in the same spot. And it's your in terms
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Speaker 1: of it's a Jag show and you're a national guy,
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Speaker 1: a Jag check. Is there a any sort of a
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Speaker 1: buzz that you're hearing that maybe we wouldn't be here.
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Speaker 1: When people talk about the Jags right now, what are
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Speaker 1: they say? Well, I mean, I think everyone is excited
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Speaker 1: about Doug Peterson coming back. I think the excitement is
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Speaker 1: because people know that he's a proven commodity as a coach,
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Speaker 1: and however did ended in Philadelphia, I don't think that
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Speaker 1: put any stain or tarnish on who he is as
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Speaker 1: a coach. I think people are excited to see about
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Speaker 1: what see what he does with the quarterback because he's
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Speaker 1: been able to get every quarterback that he's touched in
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia up and going, and so I think there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of excitement about what he brings to the table.
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Speaker 1: And then the staff that the assembled is a really
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Speaker 1: well respected staff. We spoke to him this morning about
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Speaker 1: the interview prospects of the draft, and he's been doing
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Speaker 1: this now for thirteen years. He said, had the NFL
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Speaker 1: combine and it was funny. I just I assumed he
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Speaker 1: was so busy and I was talking about that and
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Speaker 1: He's like, yea, Ashlyn, we're really not that busy here.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of downtime that I didn't realize for
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Speaker 1: a coach that it's a lot of hurry up and
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Speaker 1: wait another this week. Oh absolutely, particularly when they flipped
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Speaker 1: the schedule at the Combine and they made it where
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Speaker 1: the interviews are doing the day, the workouts are at night.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of change everybody's equilibrium because it's so different
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Speaker 1: than you know that we're creatures of habit. We're used
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Speaker 1: to things being a certain way. Things have been a
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Speaker 1: certain way for like forty years, and so now you've changed,
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Speaker 1: and so it is a lot of downtime. So I
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Speaker 1: think coach Peterson is not alone in times of trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out like the hurry up and way thing.
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Speaker 1: It's been weird for everybody trying to figure out this
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Speaker 1: new way to exist in the Combine with the new
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Speaker 1: changes and things that we have going to the event.
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Speaker 1: Tell me, Bucky, now that we're here and where too
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Speaker 1: much from the draft? You got you got a number one. Oh.
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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I'm conflicted. I'm conflicting in terms
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Speaker 1: of what would be best for the team short term
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Speaker 1: and long term. There's a part of me that says,
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson would be so great to go opposite Josh Allen.
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hudson to me, is exactly what you want at
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Speaker 1: the position. And he's Look, he's not only a tremendous athlete.
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Speaker 1: People are gonna be surprised at the athleticism because he's
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Speaker 1: gonna shock people when he works out, but he is
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Speaker 1: a NonStop, high motive kid that can do everything. That said,
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Speaker 1: when I think about Doug Peterson and what he said
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Speaker 1: about the quarterback and getting the quarterback right, to me
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Speaker 1: is all right, offensive tackle you get to you have
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Speaker 1: too offensive tackles that book in the quarterbacks protected. You
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Speaker 1: build the offensive around Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence gets going,
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Speaker 1: you put a couple more playmakers around it. You do it.
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Speaker 1: So then that's why Evan Neil pops up um iky
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Speaker 1: Ikwanu is a consideration at that pick just because he
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Speaker 1: is just a massive man who's a mola brawler, brings toughness.
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Speaker 1: So that's what it is. I think regardless it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a big is he gonna be a pass rusher,
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Speaker 1: or it's gonna be a guy that can protect the pastor.
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Speaker 1: Here's the amazing thing about this time of year and
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Speaker 1: the combine. I completely get what you're saying, and yet
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Speaker 1: there's also this other school of thought right now with
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Speaker 1: Trent Baky and uh Doug Peterson that gash Lynn Doug
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Speaker 1: Peterson um on our area yesterday and talking to people
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Speaker 1: the combine talking about the necessity of having this franchise
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Speaker 1: starts signing their own guys UM. That leads me to
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Speaker 1: believe resigning Cam Robinson could be a priority. Maybe you
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Speaker 1: have walked a little on the right side and you
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Speaker 1: go Aidan Hutchinson in the first round, So I guess
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Speaker 1: that's what's fascinating the combine. I have no way of
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Speaker 1: knowing if what I if what I just said, what
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Speaker 1: happened or not, but that idea makes perfect sense to me,
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Speaker 1: as yours makes perfect sense to me. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: on the Jaguars front that I think it's gonna get
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Speaker 1: determined in the next ten days when we figure out
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Speaker 1: what they're doing with Cam Robinson, what they're doing with
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Speaker 1: DJ shark Uh. Those feel like tipping points to me,
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Speaker 1: and we'll know a lot more about how the domino
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Speaker 1: has fall after that. Once this has happened. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: they're the easiest way to get it up and going
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Speaker 1: is you're looking at Cam Robinson and you're trying to determine, Okay,
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Speaker 1: how well did he play? Is he good enough? Because
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Speaker 1: in recent years, um, we're seeing you don't necessarily have
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Speaker 1: to have an elite offensive line to get to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So let's just say you signed Cam Robson back,
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Speaker 1: whatever the deal is like, because the cab money is there,
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Speaker 1: so now you have him. Now it does give me
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to go and say, all right, who can
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Speaker 1: I put the opposite of Josh Allen? Who can be
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Speaker 1: a guy who can be a guy that can impact
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Speaker 1: the game. And you love Hutchinson? I do. I do, because,
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Speaker 1: like if we're talking about it, so here here's the
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Speaker 1: thing when we talked about the number one pick, and
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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily about hitting the home run, it's about
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Speaker 1: make sure that they don't strike out. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you're strike out with Aidan Hutchinson, boring an injury. The
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Speaker 1: guy's wired the right way. The guy comes in having
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Speaker 1: done it and had Remember his dad played in Michigan,
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Speaker 1: so he had to always live in the shadow of
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Speaker 1: that and he exceeded it. And then the way that
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Speaker 1: he played this last year, he kind of put that
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Speaker 1: defense on his back in terms of his past rushing building.
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Speaker 1: And I know because Jacksonville down there in the SEC
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Speaker 1: and Georgian people saw Michigan and Georgia and there were
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Speaker 1: a couple of plays where Hudginson didn't this and make
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Speaker 1: it when you watch that entire game, they were committed
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Speaker 1: to making sure he was a non factor, slid the
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Speaker 1: protection over to him. So when I think about what
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Speaker 1: did jackson need Hutchinson opposite allen to horror playing players
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Speaker 1: on that defense, to me makes sense. That sounds like
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Speaker 1: a very good option. Lots of options for number one
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Speaker 1: right now at the scouting Combine. We'll be back on
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. Much more to come on Jaguars
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: John Osier, Ashlyn Sullivan here from the scouting Combine, live
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and we're talking all about that number one
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Speaker 1: overall pick and Bucky, it seems like whether they go
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Speaker 1: offensive line or defensive end, both are great options and
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Speaker 1: you can't really lose there. But I'm hesitant to say that, Well,
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Speaker 1: don't interrupt, because I love asking the scout the question.
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Speaker 1: It's my thing, you take the scout. That's why I
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Speaker 1: love my weekly access to Bucky Brooks's mind. This to me,
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Speaker 1: Bucky seems like your classic case of everybody before the
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Speaker 1: draft is gonna be talking about do you go offensive
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Speaker 1: line or defensive line? And draft talk always frustrates me
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Speaker 1: on that front because the bottom line is you're not
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Speaker 1: selecting a concept. You're making sure you get a good
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Speaker 1: player within that. And I guess I got lost a
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Speaker 1: little bit in the question, but think you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm getting at. Don't just take an offensive line? Is
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Speaker 1: that we need nothing to lineman. This guy has to
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Speaker 1: be a tenure player. You have to make sure that
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Speaker 1: you're getting special at that spot. And I think sometimes
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Speaker 1: when fans talk about these sort of questions, it's it's
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Speaker 1: a logical question. But if a guy can't play, who
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Speaker 1: cares about the position? Yeah, ideally in the perfect world,
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Speaker 1: you wanted to line up where when you have the
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Speaker 1: number one pick, you have a superhero sitting there, why
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Speaker 1: waiting for you at a position of need? And so
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Speaker 1: when I look at offensive line versus pass rusher, I
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Speaker 1: would say that the offensive line is very good. I
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Speaker 1: can't say that there's a Tony Viselli in the class
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Speaker 1: very good. But I can't say that when Tony was drafted,
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Speaker 1: everyone knew, Okay, this is a pillar, a franchise player.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be a guy who has the potential
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Speaker 1: to end up being a gold Jackie guy, which he
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Speaker 1: just uh received. With Aidan Hutchinson, I also can't say
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Speaker 1: that he is necessarily like a shoeing to be one
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Speaker 1: of those guys that we know. And so now it
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Speaker 1: comes down to when you're weighing Hutchinson and always I
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Speaker 1: need to remember to include Tibo though in there Hudson
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Speaker 1: the case. Then it does come down to position more. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So so now it comes down to, okay, like which
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Speaker 1: one do you feel is going to give you the more,
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Speaker 1: the most bang for your buck. Who's going to make
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Speaker 1: the biggest impact to me? The pass rusher would make
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Speaker 1: more sense. But it's all part of the plan, because
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Speaker 1: this would have to be the conversation where Trent ball
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Speaker 1: Key and Doug Peterson are saying in the team building process,
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Speaker 1: how are the dominoes gonna fall? Okay, Hey, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: sign Cam Robinson. Cool let's take the tackle. Also, now
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Speaker 1: we can get Hudson because a lot of times when
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Speaker 1: we do these exercises, it's a lot of the if
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Speaker 1: then hey, guys, if we do this, then we can
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Speaker 1: do that. So which pairing would you like? Would you
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Speaker 1: like the pairing of Cam Robinson in Aidan Hutchinson or
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Speaker 1: would you rather have the pairing of Evan Neil and
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Speaker 1: whoever the mysterious pass rusher that's on the other side
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Speaker 1: of Josh. And also it does allow you, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't have enough good players, and this route
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Speaker 1: allows you to have good player and Cam Robinson still
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Speaker 1: there and add another good player in Aidan Hutchinson or
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Speaker 1: or you know whoever. They were having to take. The
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Speaker 1: other route has Cam Robinson leaving. Yeah, you lose a
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Speaker 1: good player, Evan Neil, and then no other good place,
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Speaker 1: you know. So in that sense, if you're a general
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Speaker 1: manager trying with an entire roster on your white board,
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Speaker 1: that allows you to have two guys rather than one.
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Speaker 1: In that theory, it doesn't it does make more sense.
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Speaker 1: And so there are a couple of things coming off
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Speaker 1: of that point. One this would be Doug Peterson leaning
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Speaker 1: on Trent barks for him to say, Okay, how good
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Speaker 1: is he all? How good is he at the number
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Speaker 1: that he wants? And Balky goes back, can you work
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Speaker 1: around his deficiencies? Is he good enough for us to
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Speaker 1: resign him? And can you work around his deficiencies? Because
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Speaker 1: if you can work around his deficiencies, we can win
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Speaker 1: with it. Because that's what good coaches do. They understand
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Speaker 1: what the player is. They're very clear about what he is,
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Speaker 1: and then they work around that part of it for us,
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Speaker 1: and I think what we have to do is we
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Speaker 1: have to look at the Jaguars the race. To tend
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Speaker 1: to be a championship caliber team, you have to have
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Speaker 1: ten to twelve blue chip players. So how many can
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Speaker 1: we get and accumulate to get the ten because we
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Speaker 1: go all the way back to seventeen and we kind
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Speaker 1: of dial them up. We're kind of close to that point.
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Speaker 1: So we gotta get back to do we have ten
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Speaker 1: blue chip players on the roster? Because you have ten,
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Speaker 1: that gives you a chance to compete at a title level.
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Speaker 1: But then my question, yeah, if you keep Cam Robinson
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Speaker 1: say you go down that route, you can't just be
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Speaker 1: in my mind, you can't just be content then with
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Speaker 1: the way the offensive line stands right now, I would
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Speaker 1: see you have to move Walker little to right tackle,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, I think that. I think that has to
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Speaker 1: be a part of the equation. The other part has
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Speaker 1: to be what do we feel about the interior part
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Speaker 1: of the line, because then the next dominos. So let's
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Speaker 1: say we're gonna move Walk a little in a right tackle.
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Speaker 1: We have Cam Robinson, what are we doing with Taylor?
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Speaker 1: Is Taylor kicking inside or are we moving him on
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Speaker 1: and then trying to find a way to reshuffle the
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Speaker 1: deck on the inside. And is that in the draft?
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Speaker 1: Is that via free agency? All of those things, But
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Speaker 1: we're uniform and the offensive line have to be rock
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Speaker 1: solice of the quarterback and play at a high level. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's just from what Doug Peterson said on Monday, Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson will tell us everything we need to know about
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. He stays, they got a shuffle, He
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Speaker 1: doesn't stay all right, they're probably drafting offensive line. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that that's it. And so a
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Speaker 1: lot of it is like what that number, what does
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Speaker 1: that number look like? And are you And this can
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Speaker 1: be hard sometimes for general managers when you're kind of
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Speaker 1: too close to it, He's not perfect? How much do
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Speaker 1: I want to pay for imperfection? Am I so stubborn
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Speaker 1: that I just can't in my head get around? Because
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Speaker 1: more cap space? So then number is going to be big.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be bigger than anybody wants. But are you
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Speaker 1: willing to maybe even overpay for the continuity than to ay,
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Speaker 1: I want to go shop? And so the evaluation now
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Speaker 1: becomes Cam Robinson versus Evan neil ikey Akwana, Charles Cross,
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Speaker 1: what they can be versus that? And then again, if
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Speaker 1: you go that route, you're getting that guy, but then
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Speaker 1: you have so many needs elsewhere, So it's a big
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Speaker 1: picture issue as well. Yeah, it's a big picture issue.
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Speaker 1: And then okay, what was the pass rusher? Obviously Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen looked like, are we still holding our hope on
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Speaker 1: Caliban chasing to be a guy? We're going to hope
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Speaker 1: that anybody else that currently is on the roster can
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Speaker 1: be there. Amazingly, how they feel about Hutchinson could dictate
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson's future A lot of a lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Yeah, I will say this.
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Speaker 1: Um years ago Trent was able to get uh Aldon
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Speaker 1: Smith and he drafted him high, which was a franchise
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Speaker 1: defining selection at the time, and it was it was
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Speaker 1: a bit of a risk because no one knew coming
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Speaker 1: off to last year that he has So I will
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Speaker 1: give let's give ball to benefit of the doubt in
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Speaker 1: terms of being able to identify pass rushers and so
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Speaker 1: and looking at the guys with traits and those things,
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Speaker 1: can they figure out? Hey, man, I feel stronger about
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Speaker 1: being able to draft and identify a pass rusher. Let's
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Speaker 1: go this route because I have a tendency to be
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Speaker 1: able to get those guys right. Go that way. A
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Speaker 1: lot to talk pass rusher, offensive line. We have not
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Speaker 1: talked about wide receiver yet. The need for speed, which
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Speaker 1: is an obvious need for the Jaguars. We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: that next on the Huddle Up Podcast. We're back on
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky Brooks, John Osier, Ashland Sullivan
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Speaker 1: live from the scouting combine in Indianapolis. Is quite obvious
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars need more playmakers now. They're obviously not going
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Speaker 1: to take that at number one. Overall, they're sitting again
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Speaker 1: at thirty three. Bucky, doesn't make sense there, It seems
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Speaker 1: like it would, but you can't really reach up for that.
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Speaker 1: How does that shake out with a wide receiver? Yes,
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Speaker 1: they need a receiver. And I'm gonna say this, because
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Speaker 1: you say the need for speed, I'm seeing the need
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Speaker 1: for a number one. I don't believe the Jaguars have
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Speaker 1: a true number one receiver on the roster right now.
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Speaker 1: DJ Shark was great, but he's been inconsistent and I
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Speaker 1: don't think his skill set is conducive to be the
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Speaker 1: guy that is the anchor of the passing game. This
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Speaker 1: has to be a situation where you have a true
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Speaker 1: number one, a guy that you can consistently count on
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Speaker 1: to be a guy that can deliver eight receptions twelve
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Speaker 1: yards and make an impact. So at the top of
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Speaker 1: the second round in a deep and talented wide receiver class, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that has to be to move And even
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Speaker 1: if you have to move from thirty three into the
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Speaker 1: bottom of the first round to get your guy, I
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Speaker 1: think you have to make sure that you get a guy,
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Speaker 1: a legitimate guy, and if he's fast and all that, great,
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Speaker 1: but he needs to be a consistent pass catch you
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Speaker 1: who can get open. And we don't have questions about
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Speaker 1: and that may plan to what we're talking about in
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Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, trying to play the guy
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Speaker 1: behind the curtain here, you keep Cam, you draft your
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Speaker 1: edge rusher, and then you can come back and feel
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Speaker 1: secure about going wide receiver thirty three you draft Neil,
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Speaker 1: Then do you feel pressure to come back and take
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Speaker 1: some element of pass rushure lating or early in the
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Speaker 1: second thereby pushing a receiver option deeper in the draft?
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Speaker 1: Top of the third is probably not a place to
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Speaker 1: get a number one wide receiver where you have a
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Speaker 1: shot at it um at the top of a second.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about there's some injured wide receivers
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Speaker 1: who could potentially be ones you mean this draft Jamison
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Speaker 1: Williams kid from Alabama. I'm sorry, Yeah, Jameson probably fits
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Speaker 1: that the best if if you put on your GM hat,
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Speaker 1: is that something that makes sense to do, because that's
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Speaker 1: certainly long term need over short term greed if you will, yeah,
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Speaker 1: possibility and in this situation, I would probably pass on
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Speaker 1: the injured receiver and Jamison Williams for the Jaguars because
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Speaker 1: what I want I want my quarterback to play well
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Speaker 1: right now, and I don't know how long it will
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Speaker 1: take for Jamison Williams to come back. And be the
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Speaker 1: player that can improve the quarterback. I am more in
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Speaker 1: line with I want to get Trevor up and going.
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Speaker 1: I want to get him a receiver that he can
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Speaker 1: depend on. That there's enough guys in the draft to
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Speaker 1: go away from one and have others. Yeah, that we
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Speaker 1: can go. And it's also part of a thing where
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Speaker 1: if I'm going into it, I think it's a position
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Speaker 1: where you double maybe even trouble down on it. Meaning
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Speaker 1: if I can, I want to sign a veteran in
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Speaker 1: free agency because you saw, like when you look at
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Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks that have had success, it's always a
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Speaker 1: company and the veteran kind of coming over. Josh Allen's
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Speaker 1: game skyrocketed when Stefan Diggs was traded and acquired. Um,
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Speaker 1: you think about some of the other guys who have
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Speaker 1: had success. You get him a veteran receiver because it's dependable,
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Speaker 1: it works. So then you come back, say you get
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Speaker 1: the veteran and creating to whoever it is. Then you
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Speaker 1: have two. I think you draft too in the draft
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Speaker 1: within the first three rounds, one that you expect to
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Speaker 1: be the number one receiver, So maybe that happens in
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Speaker 1: thirty three and then maybe in the third round, fourth round,
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Speaker 1: you come back and get another one. I think you
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Speaker 1: have to throw multiple resources because we saw by all accounts,
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Speaker 1: like the receiver cord that we had last year, it's
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Speaker 1: not up to stunt and so we have to make
17:54
Speaker 1: sure that we have a true number one. And then
17:57
Speaker 1: I think you need a speed demon, like a big
18:00
Speaker 1: play threat, someone that can like make home runs, someone
18:04
Speaker 1: that if you're checking. Because people talk about stats, but
18:07
Speaker 1: I would say, look, when you're looking at these prospects,
18:10
Speaker 1: someone who is averaging over fifteen years per kiss. Because
18:13
Speaker 1: they have averaging over fifteen years per kiss, that means
18:16
Speaker 1: they've caught a ton of big plays and that matters.
18:19
Speaker 1: I think they need a big play And from what
18:22
Speaker 1: you're talking about, there's twelve picks in this draft for
18:25
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. I think it's four in the sixth round.
18:28
Speaker 1: I don't know if those do you much good at
18:32
Speaker 1: the at number thirty three to move up maybe a little,
18:35
Speaker 1: but they could do you a lot of good with
18:38
Speaker 1: the first pick of round three if you're trying to
18:40
Speaker 1: move up a few spots to get a target guy
18:43
Speaker 1: or in those mid rounds. I'm not I've never been
18:46
Speaker 1: sure the teams really want a sixth round pick in
18:49
Speaker 1: exchange for something to move up into the first round.
18:51
Speaker 1: Maybe in those mid rounds if Trent sees people he likes,
18:54
Speaker 1: that's where you use that equity to move around a
18:57
Speaker 1: little bit. You know. I think that's a very good point.
19:00
Speaker 1: What you want to do is you want to take
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Speaker 1: some of the equity in the bottom rounds and see
19:03
Speaker 1: if you can pawn it and spend it, and it
19:05
Speaker 1: might be part of a series of trades. Yeah, let
19:11
Speaker 1: me trade a couple of sixes to gain another fifth,
19:13
Speaker 1: so then I can part that fifth and move up
19:16
Speaker 1: and continue to kind of move it up. But it
19:17
Speaker 1: has to be these things where you're always working to
19:20
Speaker 1: get it done. But it has to be and we're
19:23
Speaker 1: committed like to this, like we have to have multiple
19:25
Speaker 1: guys that can do it now. I think the conversation
19:28
Speaker 1: where they talked about Labisco China over the past few
19:30
Speaker 1: days and how we got to get him the ball
19:32
Speaker 1: and do those things, well, to me, I'm like, okay, well,
19:34
Speaker 1: pencil limit. So he's there, and I assume that Marvin
19:37
Speaker 1: Jones still has another year. I think he's got one
19:40
Speaker 1: more year. He'll be there, So that that's kind of
19:43
Speaker 1: two of your guys that we assume that we'll be there,
19:46
Speaker 1: so then you got to go and get the other two.
19:47
Speaker 1: And I think the big question mark is what did
19:50
Speaker 1: the Jaguars really feel about DJ chart I ain't a
19:54
Speaker 1: huge question and I don't have a feel for that one.
19:58
Speaker 1: I really don't because it's tough too, because the coaches
20:01
Speaker 1: have changed so much over the years, so it's hard
20:05
Speaker 1: to know how the position coaches feel about him. Most
20:07
Speaker 1: of those guys are gone and how they felt doesn't
20:10
Speaker 1: really matter that much. So I love DJ. I do
20:14
Speaker 1: wonder if you can pay him what he'll bring on
20:19
Speaker 1: the market, uh, not knowing what he has been so far,
20:25
Speaker 1: it feels like it's an easier thing for another team
20:27
Speaker 1: to do than your current team. I hope I'm wrong.
20:30
Speaker 1: I love nothing more than a cover d J charge
20:32
Speaker 1: for two or three more years, but I think it's
20:34
Speaker 1: a possibility. I think that. I think the smart thing
20:37
Speaker 1: to do if you're the Jacks is you don't compete
20:39
Speaker 1: against yourself. Let him hit the market and let the
20:42
Speaker 1: market determine what is value. Those guys never come back, Buck,
20:46
Speaker 1: they never come back. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't overpay
20:48
Speaker 1: for that though, I hear you don't franchise tag him tested.
20:52
Speaker 1: Oh no, no frantise tags nine team may not. We
20:54
Speaker 1: gotta let him go. Tag makes more sense for Cam
20:58
Speaker 1: because it's tag Cam, not not a wide receiver. Second,
21:02
Speaker 1: tag on an offensive tackle now almost makes sense because
21:08
Speaker 1: you would think that'd be much higher, and so make
21:11
Speaker 1: sure he's not going. But the wire receiver, I believe
21:14
Speaker 1: you can find that. I believe you can find it's
21:16
Speaker 1: easier to find a DJ chart more so than the camerobs. Well,
21:19
Speaker 1: it seems like it's all about what DJ will take.
21:21
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can come to a deal with
21:22
Speaker 1: DJ and give them the money that you can, guys
21:24
Speaker 1: can come to a compromise with great. But it seems
21:26
Speaker 1: like DJ is willing to test out and see what
21:28
Speaker 1: he can get as well. I think. So, I just
21:30
Speaker 1: wonder what the market like you can play. Last, I
21:31
Speaker 1: just wonder what the market is out there. I'm never
21:35
Speaker 1: going to predicting market because it's skyrockets so fast. I
21:38
Speaker 1: think a factor there too, though, is you know, if
21:41
Speaker 1: I think if DJ Chark had had played with Trevor
21:45
Speaker 1: two or three years, I think that could be a factor.
21:49
Speaker 1: The reality is if DJ chart does not return, you're
21:53
Speaker 1: not losing very much experience with him. He played with
21:56
Speaker 1: them four games. So the the idea of ringing in
22:00
Speaker 1: a free agent veteran to play with Trevor, there's not
22:05
Speaker 1: a lot of pro and con their difference between DJ Chark,
22:08
Speaker 1: if you follow me, there's not a whole lot of
22:10
Speaker 1: learned experience. If DJ intervored play together even a full season,
22:15
Speaker 1: you may factor that into more. I don't think whatever
22:18
Speaker 1: there would be, there would be a comfort factor because
22:21
Speaker 1: if you win, if you went to sixteen, if you
22:23
Speaker 1: win to Trevor Lawrence after they played a full year,
22:26
Speaker 1: it would probably be harder for him and be like, oh,
22:27
Speaker 1: let my guy go. But now, because you don't necessarily
22:30
Speaker 1: have that built in equity, it changes and so it's
22:34
Speaker 1: so they're a little bit but probably not enough to
22:36
Speaker 1: shape the conversation. So then we have to kind of
22:39
Speaker 1: wait it out. But I think you have to prioritize.
22:41
Speaker 1: You gotta take care of the offensive tackle situation because
22:43
Speaker 1: that domino affects the other dominoes when it comes to
22:46
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. And then the DJ situation is, Hey,
22:48
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Let's see what the
22:50
Speaker 1: negotiation looks like. He may not like it, because this
22:53
Speaker 1: is always hard when we come to players and we
22:55
Speaker 1: talk about, hey, you know we're gonna at the market
22:58
Speaker 1: like or test the market. We'll see, just give us
23:00
Speaker 1: opportunity to come back. That guy goes in the mark
23:04
Speaker 1: with a chip on his shoulder and didn't come back,
23:06
Speaker 1: and and there is a risk and I will say this,
23:09
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's elite number one guy, but
23:13
Speaker 1: there's a huge risk on the Jaguars part you let
23:16
Speaker 1: him go. He has the talent and ability to be
23:19
Speaker 1: a really really good player for three or four years
23:21
Speaker 1: in this league. So it's a little bit of a
23:23
Speaker 1: risk I let him go. If they do that, he
23:25
Speaker 1: absolutely does the thing is well done it And that's
23:28
Speaker 1: what is the last two years, right. We haven't seen
23:31
Speaker 1: it last year because the injury and the other year
23:33
Speaker 1: like the consistency of numbers just moren't deal. So it
23:35
Speaker 1: just makes a hard Yeah, it's it's a tough call.
23:37
Speaker 1: I mean I have fans right into me about this
23:39
Speaker 1: all the time, saying it's a no brainer decision. Bring
23:41
Speaker 1: DJ Chark back. If you're really sitting in that GM chair,
23:45
Speaker 1: I don't see that one as a no brainer. I
23:47
Speaker 1: think that is a really tricky call for trend ball.
23:50
Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, let's the rest of your week look like,
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, just more conversation, talking, talking, you know, hanging out,
23:56
Speaker 1: catching up doing all the other stuff. And you're on
23:59
Speaker 1: field of Ridge. Come on, come on today. We're doing
24:04
Speaker 1: the pregame show on the Combine on all the NFL's
24:07
Speaker 1: digital platforms. Uh. That will go from three to four
24:11
Speaker 1: Eastern Time. And then during the event, I'm grabbing guys,
24:15
Speaker 1: getting interviews and kind of accumulating that. And I'll do
24:18
Speaker 1: a little plug here for Bucky. He's really really good
24:21
Speaker 1: on our air all throughout the year. Uh. He's really
24:25
Speaker 1: really good in our written content leading up to the draft,
24:28
Speaker 1: which we would be doing again this year. Did you
24:30
Speaker 1: get closer to the draft to look for some physitional breakdown?
24:33
Speaker 1: I write a little bit. I'm just kind of filling space.
24:37
Speaker 1: Bucky does some great analysis in that, and I'll be
24:39
Speaker 1: coming up on jack Worth dot com as we move
24:41
Speaker 1: forward to the draft. Yes, you realize what a big
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Speaker 1: deal you didn't know he was doing that. You see
24:48
Speaker 1: him walking around this radio and you realize, Buffy Brooks
24:50
Speaker 1: the big deal around here. You knows what he's doing.
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