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If your boss knows you’re looking for opportunities elsewhere, should that affect how they see you at work? · Anele and the Club on 947

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Speaker 1: Wake up with a fang wake up and the club
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Speaker 1: on nine four seven.
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Speaker 2: Right on time for the drama that is happening in
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Speaker 2: your offices. Okay, the voice note came through to zero
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Speaker 2: eight to four double zero double zero, nine four seven.
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Speaker 2: Just give Anthony a chance to plug your headphones in, Anthony,
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Speaker 2: you want to listen to this, you want, Tim Biguglia,
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Speaker 2: this is the type of topic Tim Beginna likes to
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Speaker 2: discuss as well, because Timbigia likes nothing better than to
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Speaker 2: tell the employer that they're not that then they're not
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Speaker 2: as important as they think they are.
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Speaker 3: In your life.
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Speaker 4: I always remind your employer that you need nebel ty.
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Speaker 5: Guys.
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Speaker 6: I wasn't here so a colleague, she's no longer a friend.
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Speaker 6: We used to be friends until this happened. A colleague
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Speaker 6: and I were both up for the same promotion at work.
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Speaker 6: She ended up getting it. Honestly, I was really happy
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Speaker 6: for her until I found out the reason I didn't
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Speaker 6: get it. Apparently she told our managers that I'm actively
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Speaker 6: looking for work elsewhere. It makes me feel like I
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Speaker 6: actually deserved the promotion, even if I were looking for
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Speaker 6: an opportunity elsewhere. Is it really such a big deal.
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Speaker 2: There's so many, so many things to discussing. This little
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Speaker 2: voice not of yours, homemos, So thank you for the
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Speaker 2: voice note, and thank you for trusting us and the
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Speaker 2: rest of the city to get involved get our hands
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Speaker 2: dirty in here. Firstly, so many lessons. Your colleagues are
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Speaker 2: not your friends. So if you're going to spill to
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Speaker 2: your colleagues that you're actively, actively looking for another job
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Speaker 2: and then your bosses find out, that's the lesson you
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Speaker 2: need to learn there is that you should have kept
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Speaker 2: that little information to yourself.
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: Okay, And then I'm on your employer's side here. What
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Speaker 2: do you mean if we know that you are looking
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Speaker 2: for a job elsewhere, and there is a promotion up
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Speaker 2: for grabs, then we can give it to somebody else
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Speaker 2: who's going to stick around here and not you who
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Speaker 2: wants to move.
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Speaker 7: I disagree, because here's the thing. Firstly, as a start,
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Speaker 7: your manager themselves probably looking for another job.
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Speaker 4: I've been working for twelve years.
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Speaker 7: I've outlasted at least two managers everywhere I've worked.
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Speaker 4: Okay, yes, yes, so let's get that out of the way.
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Speaker 7: But secondly, I might be looking for other work, not
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Speaker 7: because I want to leave the organization, but because I'm
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Speaker 7: looking for a new challenge and the job that i'm applying,
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Speaker 7: I'm applying for internally may actually give me that opportunity.
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Speaker 7: But I'm saying if I don't have growth internally, then
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Speaker 7: I would leave. So it's not about being tired of
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Speaker 7: the organization. It's about looking for something else. And that's
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Speaker 7: why even internally I'm applying for promotion.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to step back a second and
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Speaker 1: say I agree with you about what you tell your colleagues.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, if you even if you are close with
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Speaker 8: your colleagues, right, maybe you guys.
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Speaker 1: Have a friend, but be careful what you tell them
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Speaker 1: because they also sometimes without knowing, say something to the
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Speaker 1: boss or to someone else, not maliciously.
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Speaker 2: But.
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Speaker 7: Like Franky, someone mentioning to our boss that you know,
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Speaker 7: I did see Frank. I'm smarts and he wasn't there
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Speaker 7: to go to pantry. Is doing it deliberately.
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Speaker 2: He was there going to the kaya FM because he
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Speaker 2: knows that they're hiring. Right, No, that is absolutely malicious.
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Speaker 2: But then again, don't tell your colleagues anything.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, people at work think that because you'll call them buddier.
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Speaker 9: Is because you think that your friends sometimes you just
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Speaker 9: forget their name and so you just buddy.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the reality of.
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Speaker 2: It, my friend, my friend, I don't know one.
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Speaker 9: Hundred although I must say that why would we not
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Speaker 9: be looking for profit, Why would we not be looking
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Speaker 9: for more money elsewhere?
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Speaker 8: Why would we just be staying still?
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Speaker 9: And it's a little weird that the employer thought that
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Speaker 9: nobody would be looking for another position elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: But my cry is that obviously the employer doesn't think
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Speaker 2: you yourself are all that that they can just easily
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Speaker 2: promote somebody else and say, okay, fine, if they're looking,
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Speaker 2: they can go somewhere else. It means that they themselves
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Speaker 2: don't have growth for you, so it's fine. They are
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Speaker 2: also allowed to make that decision.
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Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't think it's quite that.
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Speaker 7: I do think that there are people managers to take
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Speaker 7: it personally when people look elsewhere, So it's not that
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Speaker 7: they don't see the growth, they've just taken it personally.
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Speaker 7: That you have also taken the initiative to actually see
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Speaker 7: yourself growing beyond the space, like I could stay, but
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Speaker 7: I'm also open to going somewhere else, also investing in
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Speaker 7: a person doesn't mean you own them. So just because
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Speaker 7: I started here at twenty one, it doesn't mean that
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Speaker 7: at thirty four, I can't say, you know, it's been real.
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Speaker 4: I'm moving on.
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Speaker 2: The question is, even if I'm looking for opportunities elsewhere,
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Speaker 2: is it really such a big deal. No, it is
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Speaker 2: not much like it shouldn't be a big deal that I,
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Speaker 2: as your employer, do not promote you. Do you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and give it to somebody else?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I know.
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Speaker 1: This is where I have to disagree because I think
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people will will see this point
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Speaker 1: of view. It is the hardest thing, and this is
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Speaker 1: my experience, it's the hardest thing to get promoted inside
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Speaker 1: the company where you currently work because people box you.
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Speaker 1: Oh they're happy with you doing Because this is my
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Speaker 1: least favorite thing about managers. You are very good at
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Speaker 1: your job, so we don't really want to move you
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Speaker 1: from that job because you're doing that job so well.
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Speaker 1: So now we're going to hire someone from outside to
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Speaker 1: promote them above you because we don't want to move
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Speaker 1: you around in the company.
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Speaker 8: I don't dig that, But.
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Speaker 7: I don't think we're addressing the witchcraft of the friends
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Speaker 7: slash colleague.
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Speaker 4: Enough. That was a very deliberate, calculated move.
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Speaker 2: But once again, you shouldn't have shared it with your
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Speaker 2: friend if you didn't want it to get out.
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Speaker 7: But I trusted you. I didn't realize that you were
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Speaker 7: a wicked little person. And now even if I don't
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Speaker 7: get the promotion, I'm gonna get you.
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Speaker 2: In fact, that's the person I would hire, somebody who
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Speaker 2: knows how to work the inner workings of corporate snitch exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's the person I want, Guys, that's the person I wanted.
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Speaker 2: Mis sad because I know that, oh, this one is
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Speaker 2: the best person to go and send to go and
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Speaker 2: do things. But I'm the boss and I'm not telling
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Speaker 2: you anything. Guys, keep your cards to your chase in
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Speaker 2: these places the end. And if you don't know that,
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Speaker 2: you are showing me that you're actually not strong enough
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Speaker 2: to go into the next level of this thing. Here.
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Speaker 2: We're operators. Here, we're operating.
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Speaker 4: That's not why I've been here nine years. I've said
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Speaker 4: too much.
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Speaker 1: She never.
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Speaker 9: Isn't That why there's toxicity in the workplace, though, because
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Speaker 9: the people like that will get promoted, the people that
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Speaker 9: will go beyond other people's bags that will fight tooth
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Speaker 9: and nail for their position.
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Speaker 2: So what do you want do you want me to
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Speaker 2: come to be like, hey, Anthony, I'm gonna go tell
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Speaker 2: them so that you're looking for a job. Also, we
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Speaker 2: must I tell you to your face as well.
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Speaker 4: No, I mean I wouldn't you know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it's not toxicity. It's literally working. It's you
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Speaker 2: using information you have to get a head.
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Speaker 1: I still feel if in Commoto's case, yeah, if your
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Speaker 1: colleague had to step on you to get higher, that's
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Speaker 1: where I disagree. So it's the colleague got to go
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Speaker 1: snitch to say listen to Commotos looking for another job
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Speaker 1: and to get the promotion.
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Speaker 8: Then I don't think she deserves that promotion.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you guys want things to be fair?
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Speaker 4: Sorry, but this will never Yes, my goodness, the pennies
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Speaker 4: finally dropped. You guys want things to be fair? How
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Speaker 4: dare you?
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Speaker 2: Oh one one eight thirty eight nine four seven? Or
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Speaker 2: you put yourself at homosome shoes right now?
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Speaker 10: Sure?
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Speaker 2: Do you know? And the thing is the reason Homosore
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Speaker 2: saying this voice pot is that she's in it. So
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Speaker 2: she's quite emotional about it. And when you emotionally you
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Speaker 2: can't see things clearly right. So because you are outside
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Speaker 2: of the situation looking in, you are able to give
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Speaker 2: her better advice. What is her next move? She was
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Speaker 2: up for a promotion with her friend inverted commas. The
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Speaker 2: friend got it. She later finds out that the reason
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Speaker 2: shouldn't get the job is because the friend kind of
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Speaker 2: lets slip that, hey, she's actually actively looking for other employment.
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Speaker 1: And then the boss said, well, in that case, m hmm,
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Speaker 1: go find employment elsewhere.
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Speaker 8: We're gonna upgrade someone else.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the boss didn't even say that. The boss just
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Speaker 2: didn't give you the.
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Speaker 4: Promotion because your boss is petty and childish.
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Speaker 2: Zero eight four double zero double zero nine four seven.
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Speaker 2: This has definitely happened to some of you. And if
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Speaker 2: you are one of the employees that snitched on your
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Speaker 2: colleague to get ahead, to get ahead, we pretty much
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Speaker 2: want to hear. How how's that officers going?
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Speaker 8: Hope?
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Speaker 2: But how how's the basement parking looking for you? How
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Speaker 2: are those manageriald getaways going?
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Speaker 8: Come talk to come talk to us?
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Speaker 2: Oh one one, you sound like you want to meet
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Speaker 2: them outside one one eight thirty eight ninety four seven.
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Speaker 2: Do get involved.
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Speaker 3: Of course, it's a big deal. I mean, why would
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Speaker 3: the company want to promote someone that they know is
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Speaker 3: just going to keep looking for more money and just
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Speaker 3: going to keep looking for other positions, because that's basically
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Speaker 3: what you would do.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that lady that was looking for another job.
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Speaker 10: She didn't deserve the promotion in any case, because she
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Speaker 10: obviously isn't happy at the company.
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Speaker 2: Little guy me, my manager tells our senior manager every
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Speaker 2: day that I am actively looking for a job else.
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Speaker 8: Any better do something about it.
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Speaker 5: They will always like the people that snatch.
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Speaker 2: They will always like the people that bring information to them.
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: That's also you must remember something, Hey, A promotion is
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Speaker 2: not a reward for the work that you've done. Promotion
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Speaker 2: is an investment in you, for the company, for the future.
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Speaker 2: So if we know that you actively don't want to
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Speaker 2: be here, why would we put more investment behind you?
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Speaker 7: But I think it's because you guys are making it
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Speaker 7: I want to be here thing, when actually it's not
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Speaker 7: about the place. It's about growth and I'm willing to
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Speaker 7: go wherever I'm going to find it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, then then it's fine, And this is the thing
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Speaker 2: we're saying, you may definitely go. You may definitely go
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Speaker 2: somewhere else. But whilst you are actively looking wanting to
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Speaker 2: go somewhere else, we can't put you in positions where
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Speaker 2: you're going to get more information about the company, get
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Speaker 2: more investment for the company when we know that you
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Speaker 2: want to leave.
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Speaker 7: Guys, even in data, you keep your options open, eh,
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Speaker 7: until you finalized one thing.
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Speaker 2: Now, my husband's listening. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: anything you are saying. Mussinati and Oli Jell talk to us. Good,
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Speaker 2: good morning, Massonati. How are you well?
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Speaker 11: Thank you? So firstly, guys, I really disagree with the
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Speaker 11: notion that your colleagues can be your friends or you
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Speaker 11: can't make friends in the word place. We spend our
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Speaker 11: time indy, so it's very easy to make friends day
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Speaker 11: in the workplace than it would be in a.
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Speaker 10: Bar on a random day.
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Speaker 11: And then going back to the colleague or the friend
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Speaker 11: was wrong. You can't use such information for your own advantage.
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Speaker 11: That's just not right because they were friends, so you
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Speaker 11: can't use it to step up as a stepping stone,
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Speaker 11: so you get a you get a promotion. It's so wrong.
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Speaker 11: She must be demoted today.
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Speaker 2: Musnati, you are you currently employed, and you've got con
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Speaker 2: Do you know how much who's your closest closest friend
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Speaker 2: day at work?
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Speaker 11: It's dimple and it's also.
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Speaker 2: And you guys know how much you guys earn each other?
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Speaker 2: Your salary slips? You know, we don't Why not you friends?
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Speaker 11: Because I don't discuss many So we don't know how
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Speaker 11: much to pay for rent. The same way we don't
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Speaker 11: know how much we're being for rent and how much
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Speaker 11: we pay for our CAUs we don't. It's cringe to
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Speaker 11: discuss money for us. Okay for me, so.
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Speaker 2: My friend Riela and my friend now they know exactly
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Speaker 2: how much I earn because they're my friends.
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Speaker 11: You don't know how much you pay on cars everything.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Villa was looking for a car and I was,
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Speaker 2: and she she liked the car I drive, and I
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Speaker 2: was like, oh this how much I pay? But if
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Speaker 2: you go with this bank, you're gonna get this deal
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Speaker 2: and all of that because we friends.
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Speaker 7: Oh wait until she pictures for breakfast on nine for
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Speaker 7: seven for fifteen percent less.
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Speaker 11: Do you know what I say? And I don't think
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Speaker 11: it has anything to do with the job, But for me,
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Speaker 11: discussing finances is a bit. It's a bit inclusive and
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Speaker 11: a bit cringe. So I don't ask those things and
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Speaker 11: I don't want to.
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Speaker 5: Be asked those things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Masanati, But here this is what I have to say.
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Speaker 1: The difference is, obviously you guys work together, whereas Anellie
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Speaker 1: and her friends. You guys can't do the same job.
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Speaker 1: So when you're doing the same job, obviously there's a
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Speaker 1: level of competition.
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Speaker 2: You ring fence some information, guys, especially at work, about
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Speaker 2: your personal life, okay, and about your work. You ring
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Speaker 2: faints some things, Yes, you can get. We're not saying
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Speaker 2: don't be friendly with the people you work with. We're
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Speaker 2: not saying don't be supportive. We're not saying don't be
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Speaker 2: there and be a team player. But we just say, personally,
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Speaker 2: I believe that there are some sort of boundaries that
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Speaker 2: you need to have with your colleagues at work, because
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Speaker 2: as soon as you give them too much information, look
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Speaker 2: what happens.
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Speaker 11: She was so wrong for that. She was so wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yes, guys, she's wrong, but who gave her the information.
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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean you don't get punished. It don't. I don't.
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Speaker 4: I can still be wrong and I'm still gonna get you.
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Speaker 2: But how are you going to get.
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Speaker 4: Me watch me I've got all day because.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing and I and that's nice that you
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Speaker 2: can be like, oh, I'm going to get you a
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Speaker 2: how babe.
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Speaker 4: Straight from the wine bottles.
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Speaker 12: It's it's it's.
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Speaker 2: Worse now that I'm now your boss because I've got
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Speaker 2: a promotion. Now you really can't get me. And how
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Speaker 2: did I get you? You? You gave me the information.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, I don't disagree with your friend getting
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Speaker 1: the promotion. And that's what I like about it, because
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Speaker 1: what's interesting for me about Komoso's message is that she
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Speaker 1: says she was fine with it. She was really happy
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Speaker 1: about her friend getting the promotion until she found out
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Speaker 1: that a friend might have gotten it because of what
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Speaker 1: the information she shared.
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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I feel is happening here
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Speaker 2: is that we are all being emotional around a business decision.
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Speaker 7: No, but it's personal. It's also personal because there was
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Speaker 7: a personal relationship, so it's not as black and white
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Speaker 7: as we're just colleagues. I think what complicates it is
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Speaker 7: the fact that there wasn't assumed closeness at a deeper level,
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Speaker 7: so it can't be as simple as oh, well, my
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Speaker 7: colleague got the gig.
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Speaker 2: Homoto is the only one making emotional decisions. The business
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Speaker 2: made a business decision, The friend made a business decision.
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Speaker 2: Does it site that you're afraid somebody that you thought
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Speaker 2: and that thing happens here when somebody is your best
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Speaker 2: friend but you're not their best friend.
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Speaker 8: This is well, yeah, exactly, that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: So what happened here is that Homoto is now, you know,
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Speaker 2: living the consequences of people who made business decisions around her.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying that that in the in the office,
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Speaker 1: it's every man for himself.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely is, guys. It absolutely is this thing of
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Speaker 2: oh no, we're taking on a team building and that's
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Speaker 2: for work culture, and that's so that we can all
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Speaker 2: know that we have got the same values and same
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Speaker 2: goals for the business. No one is taking I promise you,
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Speaker 2: no one. There is not a business in the world.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, yo, guys, see a gonna hate me
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Speaker 2: for saying this. No, there is no business in the
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Speaker 2: world that is taking you guys on a post barade,
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Speaker 2: on a team building or for fun, for fun. We
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Speaker 2: just want to make sure that in here you guys
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Speaker 2: are all aligned, that our goal is there, which is
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Speaker 2: ultimately profit for the business. Do we hope that what
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Speaker 2: we are doing here is going to help you in
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Speaker 2: your personal life so that you're a better person. We do,
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Speaker 2: But in the event, it doesn't make you a better
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Speaker 2: person in your personal life. Thumbs up. That's for you, that's
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Speaker 2: on you.
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Speaker 7: I'm so glad I didn't go eat under cooked rice
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Speaker 7: with you guys a few months ago when we're doing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because theyre what did Greg do there? Greg came
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Speaker 2: and told us what is the base for the business,
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Speaker 2: What are our plans for the business? What is the
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Speaker 2: strategy for the business. If the business cared about what's
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Speaker 2: happening in you life in that post, but I would
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Speaker 2: stop and say, okay, Frankie, how's it going with your
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Speaker 2: with your house search and looking for a dog? We've
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Speaker 2: got a dog. That's all of that, okay, Timbergia. If
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Speaker 2: it was really about that, that's what would get around
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Speaker 2: together and do. But it's not.
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Speaker 8: We talk about strategy.
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Speaker 2: We're there to talk about strategy for what the business exactly.
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Speaker 2: So you cannot you cannot be upset that two people
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Speaker 2: around you who you work with made business decisions.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, I mean, if I was comoo, I'd still be
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Speaker 1: upset because I thought this person was friends with me.
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Speaker 1: I thought we were close, and then you do something
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Speaker 1: like this That is a betrayal.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and much like your friends and your extual life
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Speaker 2: have also portrayed you in one way or another.
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Speaker 4: Not mine.
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Speaker 2: Why does it? Why does it?
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Speaker 6: Why?
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Speaker 2: Why does this thing now? Why does this thing now?
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Speaker 1: Because now obviously I've found out that you got something
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Speaker 1: ahead of me that I could have got, I should
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Speaker 1: have gotten, could have gotten.
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Speaker 2: Because you how do you know how you catch a
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Speaker 2: fish because his mouth is open?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Hy guys here, So a colleague, she's no longer a friend.
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Speaker 6: We used to be friends until this happened. A colleague
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Speaker 6: and I were both up for the same promotion at work.
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Speaker 2: She ended up getting it.
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Speaker 6: Honestly, I was really happy for her until I found
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Speaker 6: out the reason I didn't get it. Apparently she told
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Speaker 6: our managers that I'm actively looking for work elsewhere. It
16:20
Speaker 6: makes me feel like I actually deserved the promotion, even
16:23
Speaker 6: if I was looking for an opportunity elsewhere. Is it
16:26
Speaker 6: really such a big deal? I genuinely feel like the
16:29
Speaker 6: manager did not see her in that said post that
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Speaker 6: she felt like she wanted to be promoted to.
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Speaker 10: What happened to me was I wasn't really sneaching on
16:38
Speaker 10: a person and was actually sneaching on the company I was,
16:41
Speaker 10: and I was getting less than minimum wage today and
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Speaker 10: after about three months, and I share this information with
16:48
Speaker 10: my aunt, who works for the labor department.
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Speaker 5: I also feel like the employee should have woken to
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Speaker 5: her and asked her, Okay, I've.
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Speaker 2: Heard this, is that the case?
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Speaker 4: What are you looking for? You looking for?
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Speaker 8: Christ I just believe that I'm going to do what
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Speaker 8: I need to do to take more money home.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather lose a friend, but at least or no,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be driving and work by the end
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Speaker 1: of the month.
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Speaker 2: There you go. Rather you lose a friend at work,
17:10
Speaker 2: it's it's your work friend.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 8: You know what the thing is.
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Speaker 1: You can lose a friend, but you don't want enemies,
17:17
Speaker 1: because that's the problem here, is that you if you
17:20
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with these people, right so
17:22
Speaker 1: to say, we're gonna not be as close friends, but
17:24
Speaker 1: you don't want to rack up enemies. I'm with I
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Speaker 1: can understand KMOO one hundred on this.
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Speaker 2: I absolutely understand it. But the thing is, freedom works
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Speaker 2: both ways. If you have the freedom to be looking elsewhere,
17:38
Speaker 2: we've got the freedom to decide who we're going to promote.
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Speaker 2: And most companies, I do stand to be corrected or
17:44
Speaker 2: for my statement here to be RIGAMAJICTI bit most companies,
17:48
Speaker 2: if you really are the future of the company, and
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Speaker 2: they hear that you're looking elsewhere, they'll double down and
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Speaker 2: they'll give you the promotion and find and be like, Okay,
17:55
Speaker 2: what is it that you want that we see a
17:57
Speaker 2: future here for you? What do you need? There's this
18:00
Speaker 2: position that's coming up. Are you good for things like that?
18:02
Speaker 2: If they find out that you're looking also and they're like,
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Speaker 2: oh no, it's fine, she can go, that also means
18:06
Speaker 2: that that freedom is working both ways. You don't see
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Speaker 2: a future here. We don't see a future in you
18:11
Speaker 2: at the moment. You're just doing a job.
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Speaker 1: I think that that your statement there about companies looking
18:17
Speaker 1: for you to grow, I think that that really depends
18:20
Speaker 1: on who the boss is, because some bosses take that
18:23
Speaker 1: stuff so personally. Like the same conversation goes both ways.
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Speaker 1: If you're if you're going to promote someone internally, you
18:30
Speaker 1: can't be negative towards me because I'm looking for for
18:33
Speaker 1: other opportunities or keep my eye open right, because people
18:37
Speaker 1: take that bosses take that very so it's like personally
18:40
Speaker 1: and they get vindictive about it.
18:41
Speaker 2: It's like you're leaving them and not then is it,
18:45
Speaker 2: Simone you in Redford View? Good morning? Hi? How are
18:49
Speaker 2: you am I saying your name correct? Simone?
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Speaker 12: Yes, Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 2: Talk to us.
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Speaker 12: So my thing is it directly correlates to your last point.
18:56
Speaker 12: And if she was really deserving of the promotion, they
18:59
Speaker 12: would have given it to her as a retention scheme
19:03
Speaker 12: or as leverage to keep her here. So I think
19:05
Speaker 12: we're just assuming she didn't get it because she was
19:08
Speaker 12: looking elsewhere. If you are a good manager and a
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Speaker 12: good company, good company is looking for for bro, they'll
19:14
Speaker 12: use that to keep it here, give you more money.
19:19
Speaker 12: So I really don't think that she didn't get it
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Speaker 12: just because the buses thought she was looking elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Homoto's not telling us the whole story. She's just
19:27
Speaker 2: telling us that she knows that she didn't get the
19:30
Speaker 2: promotion because they found out that she was looking elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: But like I say, if you are a star player
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Speaker 2: at work, as soon as the busses find out that
19:37
Speaker 2: you're looking somewhere else. They double down, They double down,
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Speaker 2: and they even take the promotion off the grid and say, okay, fine,
19:44
Speaker 2: there's a position coming up. Would you like us to
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Speaker 2: let let's discuss you going in there? What training do
19:49
Speaker 2: you need to be to be up there? But to them,
19:53
Speaker 2: they don't see the you know, the downside of you leaving.
19:56
Speaker 2: They would rather encurd training somebody new for your position,
20:00
Speaker 2: paying that money because to hire new people cost the
20:02
Speaker 2: company mane to cost. You know, they would rather incur
20:05
Speaker 2: those costs than retain you.
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Speaker 12: I mean, they could have just given the friend the
20:10
Speaker 12: promotion and offered her more money. So even though she
20:12
Speaker 12: had the tide, so Homoso would have still got more money.
20:15
Speaker 12: So the businesses can do anything if they're not restricted
20:18
Speaker 12: by anything.
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Speaker 5: So but still love you Homoso, sorry girl, love your girl.
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Speaker 2: But I stand on freedom works both ways. Whatever you
20:26
Speaker 2: allow to do, you must know that the company is
20:28
Speaker 2: also allowed to do the same thing.
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Speaker 1: So Simona is basically serving hard called facts, yeah and
20:33
Speaker 1: saying that Kromoso, you just weren't good enough for the promotion.
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Speaker 8: That's why you didn't get Luiander.
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Speaker 2: What's the bottom line here, guys?
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Speaker 5: You guys are missing key things here. Number one, there's
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Speaker 5: four things. One is the trust aspect. This whole thing
20:49
Speaker 5: is not about as getting the job or not getting
20:52
Speaker 5: the job. The issue is that the friend broke the trust. Now,
20:56
Speaker 5: if these managers or bosses are going to hire someone
20:59
Speaker 5: who is furthless when it comes to things like trust,
21:02
Speaker 5: they should be careful as well because this person could
21:04
Speaker 5: easily break that particular value, which is important for any
21:08
Speaker 5: company in any business.
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Speaker 2: That's number one.
21:10
Speaker 5: Number two, who's to say that Homoto is not competing
21:15
Speaker 5: with Pilotokia because that happens in this country, particularly if
21:19
Speaker 5: you're in Corpus of Africa. So let's not assume that
21:22
Speaker 5: Homoto did not deserve the job or that she was
21:24
Speaker 5: not good enough. Yes, I agree with you that typically
21:28
Speaker 5: a good manager and good leadership will try and retain you.
21:32
Speaker 5: But you have a lot of people who get elevated
21:35
Speaker 5: to managerial roles who quite frankly do not know how
21:38
Speaker 5: to be managers and good leaders. Okay, but for me,
21:41
Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 2: What happens is the boss is a woman that now
21:44
Speaker 2: that we are assuming Pilotopha.
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Speaker 5: So same what's up?
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Speaker 11: Because the bottom line is there are two issues.
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Speaker 5: Here's the trask factor.
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Speaker 12: That's the key thing.
21:54
Speaker 5: And the other thing is that we don't know whether
21:57
Speaker 5: Homoso is deserving or not, and whether or not that
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Speaker 5: management or leadership is a good leader or a good manager.
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Speaker 5: Those are the key things that we have to take
22:06
Speaker 5: into consideration about this whole thing. Yes, and then lastly, sorry,
22:10
Speaker 5: isn't telling us everything. I don't believe if that's the
22:14
Speaker 5: only reason why she didn't get that. Perhaps she's only
22:17
Speaker 5: aware of that, but I don't believe that could be
22:19
Speaker 5: the only reason. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I get that whole you know, trust, trust, trusting,
22:26
Speaker 2: but I think your friends are outside of the workplace,
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Speaker 2: and your partners and your family and all that once
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Speaker 2: you're inside the workplace.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but even colleagues, whether you're a friend or a
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Speaker 5: colleague in a business relationship or doesn't matter. The bottom
22:44
Speaker 5: line is it's the trust. Let's Assumemoto was pregnant and
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Speaker 5: then the friend dive out of that and then she
22:50
Speaker 5: doesn't get the promotion, or let's assume it's something related
22:54
Speaker 5: with work. It's not about whether I'm a friend of
22:57
Speaker 5: yours at work or not. The bottom line is that
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Speaker 5: this person violated trusted at homes and she is eventually
23:05
Speaker 5: going to do the same thing in a different context
23:08
Speaker 5: that is even more important around work or sensitive information.
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Speaker 5: That is where the key issue here, guys, it's the
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Speaker 5: trust fact that this person is not to be trusted
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Speaker 5: and they promoted someone who clearly does not know how
23:20
Speaker 5: to earn her way to to to wherever she wanted
23:24
Speaker 5: to be without having to violate trust. Okay, that's the key.
23:28
Speaker 2: Thing if because I mean, this is not the fact
23:30
Speaker 2: that you feel so passionate about. This is because we've
23:32
Speaker 2: heard the story before, and we've seen the story before.
23:35
Speaker 2: If day in and day out, you're in, year out,
23:37
Speaker 2: taked in, diked out, we are learning that you do
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Speaker 2: not share personal things at work. Why do we still
23:43
Speaker 2: do them?
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Speaker 5: Because we're human at a human basic level, we are
23:48
Speaker 5: no man is an island. We want to be connected
23:51
Speaker 5: to somebody. You spend too much time at work versus
23:54
Speaker 5: at home, and that's how affairs even happened in the
23:57
Speaker 5: workplace because you're spending too much time with people around you. Therefore,
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Speaker 5: you need the connection. That's the key thing here.
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Speaker 1: Look what I do like about what you've said is
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Speaker 1: and putting myself in the boss's shoes. If someone came
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Speaker 1: snitching to me. I mean, it depends on what they
24:14
Speaker 1: are snitching about. But someone came snitching to me. I
24:16
Speaker 1: do ask the question, can I trust you with information
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Speaker 1: higher up? Because if you're running to me with this
24:24
Speaker 1: kind of stuff so automatically for your own benefits, then
24:28
Speaker 1: could we trust you to not share that stuff for
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Speaker 1: your own benefit elsewhere?
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Speaker 2: Okay, but then you you're weighing up, you know, the
24:36
Speaker 2: less of two evils? Then, right, is who do you
24:38
Speaker 2: want to trust? The one that came and brought you
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Speaker 2: information about the business or the one who is actively
24:43
Speaker 2: looking to go to another business? Which one are you
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Speaker 2: going to give information about the business to? First? Yeah,
24:49
Speaker 2: think about it. The one who's the one who's on
24:51
Speaker 2: the way out right to give them strategy. Let's say
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Speaker 2: you guys want to buy another business. Right, Let's say
24:57
Speaker 2: you guys want to start operating another area and a
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Speaker 2: growth plan. Do you give it to that person who's
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Speaker 2: on the way out. We could go to your competitor
25:06
Speaker 2: and let your competitor know what your plan is. Or
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Speaker 2: do you give it to the one who came and
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Speaker 2: brought your information about your own business?
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Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't know. This is so tick,
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Speaker 8: It's very trick.
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Speaker 2: That's that's what you have to decide, because ultimately, no
25:21
Speaker 2: one came to work to be Charlie's angels, right, no
25:23
Speaker 2: one ever. Everyone is here for their own benefit. How
25:27
Speaker 2: they benefit themselves is what you are allowed to judge
25:30
Speaker 2: gay and people's character and trust on all of that.
25:32
Speaker 2: But ultimately, when you, as a boss, wake up and
25:36
Speaker 2: you assume every day that everyone here is here for themselves,
25:39
Speaker 2: then it's easier to manage them.
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Speaker 8: Well, good luck, moso, that's all I have to say.
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Speaker 6: Good Luck's back to making your mourning and
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Speaker 2: On nine four seven