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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on BYU's first Big 12 loss at TX Tech, 4 of next 6 vs ranked teams, Last rivalry game on Saturday, · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 4: BYU basketball insider Jonathan Nari JT.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna talk plenty of hoops, but I have to
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  Speaker 4: reference a tweet that you sent out about fourteen hours ago,
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  Speaker 4: because we were discussing this earlier in the week. What
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  Speaker 4: the success of Indiana Hoosiers football means for all the
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  Speaker 4: other teams that were not talked about as national championship
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  Speaker 4: contenders for most of our lives. And I think you're
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  Speaker 4: you're speaking to that with this tweet. I've never thought
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  Speaker 4: BYU football had a realistic shot at winning a national
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  Speaker 4: championship until today. Nil transfer portal of the state of
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  Speaker 4: college football. Today, Kalani's more capable to strike. When the
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  Speaker 4: stars align, it will happen in my lifetime. Now, there's
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  Speaker 4: certainly a lot of BYU fans that feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's Utah fans that feel that way. I
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  Speaker 4: think tip there, there's you know, Indiana fans that just
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  Speaker 4: watched that happen for themselves, and there's probably Kansas State
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  Speaker 4: fans and who knows, Texas Tech certainly believes that now
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  Speaker 4: and Indiana has proven that it is possible. And we
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  Speaker 4: never would have thought five years ago, ten years ago
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  Speaker 4: that Indiana would be near the conversation for a national champion.
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  Speaker 4: Has it changed enough that you can now believe it truly?
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  Speaker 4: For BYU, for Utah, for Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Sean, we you know, I feel like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I feel like we could do a weekly investigative,
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  Speaker 3: you know, report on nil right, and it's the other day.
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  Speaker 3: You and I talk about a lot and and how
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  Speaker 3: can you not? And you know, if one thing became
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  Speaker 3: clear yesterday is that first of all, the stars have
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  Speaker 3: to align, things have to go ride. You have to
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  Speaker 3: stay healthy. So taking aside all of you know, some
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  Speaker 3: of the variables that you can't control, right, so staying
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  Speaker 3: healthy and so on. But Texas Tech was the prime
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  Speaker 3: example of being able to put a team together and
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  Speaker 3: as long as you stay healthy or you're able to navigate,
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  Speaker 3: you can win. I mean, and you know Indiana and
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  Speaker 3: the way that they were able to have a heck
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  Speaker 3: of a season. You know, I just I fully believe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I look at Utah, you know, at the
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  Speaker 3: Sugar Bowl when Utah beat Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: I look at.
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  Speaker 3: Boise State when they did the Statue of Liberty dingy
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  Speaker 3: and they won. You know, big what where would those
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  Speaker 3: teams be if there was a college football playoff then
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  Speaker 3: and then I look at it and I say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if if it is all about money, and if it
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  Speaker 3: is all about an arms race to see who can
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  Speaker 3: spend the most and spend the most, well, then how
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  Speaker 3: doesn't this becomes, uh, you know, just something that it's
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  Speaker 3: almost close to a formula. Now, obviously it's not a
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  Speaker 3: zero sum game, but you can then pretty much say
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  Speaker 3: that as long as you in vast X amount of money,
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  Speaker 3: you know, more oft than not, you're going to get
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  Speaker 3: a Big twelve championship. You're going to get, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a bid for the college football playoffs. Now there's also
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  Speaker 3: the example of Kentucky basketball that spent you know, a
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  Speaker 3: crep ton of money this year on their roster and
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  Speaker 3: Mark Polp is having a terrible season. But more oft
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  Speaker 3: than not, you're going to spend the money, and you
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  Speaker 3: know things are going to work out.
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  Speaker 2: And which is why I said what I said. I
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  Speaker 2: fully believe that in my lifetime a school like.
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  Speaker 3: BYU who has gone all in on NIL, a school
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  Speaker 3: like Indiana, a school like Utah, and a school like
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  Speaker 3: they just name it, you know, I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 3: Sean i U and LV basketball some way somehow got
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  Speaker 3: back to the glory days of the early nineties with
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  Speaker 3: crazy nil money. That's just that's just the environment we're
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  Speaker 3: in right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like even more so in basketball, the
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  Speaker 4: upward mobility is possible because just the way the numbers
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  Speaker 4: work out, you need like three really great basketball players.
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  Speaker 4: And now you're in a different conversation and football, you
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  Speaker 4: still got to have, you know, twenty two starters, and
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  Speaker 4: you better make sure that at least ten of those
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  Speaker 4: guys are elite players if you want to have a
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  Speaker 4: truly great team. So look, BYU basketball has been proof
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  Speaker 4: of this concept. They've really elevated themselves on the national
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  Speaker 4: stage with nil and with you know, a big time
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  Speaker 4: coaching higher that I know took them a lot of
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  Speaker 4: resources to secure and to extend, and now they've got
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  Speaker 4: this journey through the Big Twelve starting off very successfully.
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  Speaker 4: They finally lost the game on the road at Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I was having a conversation after Utah
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  Speaker 4: played Texas Tech, and the person I was talking to says, look,
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  Speaker 4: I've seen BYU and I've seen Texas Tech. Texas Tech
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  Speaker 4: is the best team that Utah's gonna face this year.
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  Speaker 4: In the Big Twelve Conference. Now that you've seen them
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  Speaker 4: up against BYU, how do you rate the Red Raiders
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  Speaker 4: on the basketball floor?
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  Speaker 2: That is a bold statement.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I am looking at a Utah schedule, and
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  Speaker 3: you know Utah played Arizona, so.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think that's a bold statement.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say, dis Shawn, between Arizona, iowall stay
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  Speaker 3: Texas stack BYU and now Kansas, right, I think I
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  Speaker 3: think short for the longest time, all of us are like,
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  Speaker 3: what the heck is Derek Peters.
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  Speaker 2: Are never going to play a game this season? Right
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  Speaker 2: and so and so? Now that he's back, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: My goodness, gracious, you know, Kansas is looking good and
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  Speaker 3: we haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Even mentioned Houston.
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  Speaker 3: So I think those are five six teams that are
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  Speaker 3: very challenging, and both by U and Utah played both
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  Speaker 3: of them. But what I do find interesting is I
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  Speaker 3: look at I look at the way Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Played TCU, right, BUI.
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  Speaker 3: And Utah want to close one, b YU want to
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  Speaker 3: close one against the Horned Frogs.
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  Speaker 2: And then you look the way that that that.
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  Speaker 3: That both by U and Utah played at Texas Tech
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  Speaker 3: right where you know the score was.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of the same.
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  Speaker 3: You know about a thirteen fourteen point loss a Texas
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  Speaker 3: Tack is just good man. You know, like watching the
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  Speaker 3: game on Saturday, you could tell Buyu hung with them
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  Speaker 3: into the thirty minute mark and then you know, b
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  Speaker 3: Yu they had some issues aj Stwo recovering for a sickness.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Richie didn't play particularly well. Rob Ryot was
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  Speaker 3: probably the best out of the the Buyu Big three.
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  Speaker 3: They're calling them the break three, you know, but I
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  Speaker 3: think he was the best one. But buy you just
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  Speaker 3: the supporting cast is just none existent right now. Right
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  Speaker 3: Keba Ketta is not a scorer. Obviously, when Keba scores
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  Speaker 3: and and and and does pull back dunks and he
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  Speaker 3: is able to have a good offensive game, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if Keva can gets you know, if Kevic can get
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  Speaker 3: ten points a game, I think that's huge.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just not the reality right now. And then
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  Speaker 2: and then.
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  Speaker 3: Outside shooting, Buyu brought a couple of guys in last
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  Speaker 3: year and this year that just are you know, they're
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  Speaker 3: just not delivering right and and to me that's the
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  Speaker 3: bigger issue. And so uh that's to me watching the
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  Speaker 3: game against Texas Tack because of all of that, and
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  Speaker 3: then Texas Tack was able to go a notch above Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Tack really hung with BUYU into about the nine eight
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  Speaker 3: minute market in the second half and then boom they
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  Speaker 3: went somewhere the b YU couldn't get. You know, could
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  Speaker 3: we even say that.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Young got out coached? Maybe yes, maybe no?
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  Speaker 3: Right, as a former player, I will say this, you
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  Speaker 3: could tell that Kevin well, you know, Kevin didn't call
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  Speaker 3: a time out for a while to kind of stop
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  Speaker 3: the bleeding. And people are like, well, he got out coach,
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  Speaker 3: he should have stopped. But that's a double edged sword
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  Speaker 3: because a really good coach, you know, trust their team
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  Speaker 3: to be able to go and try to figure things
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  Speaker 3: out on their own.
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  Speaker 2: And so, but it was a great game.
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  Speaker 3: And again, right, I mean, you look at Utah's loss
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  Speaker 3: and BYU's loss to Texas Tech. It's not like you
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  Speaker 3: lost to Colorado State, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like you went up to Wyoming and you
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  Speaker 2: lost there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you lost to the number fifteen team in
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  Speaker 3: the country. And so, you know, not a terrible loss
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  Speaker 3: for either YU or Utah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, one other thing that we're going to keep
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  Speaker 4: talking about with Texas Tech in football and in basketball
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  Speaker 4: is the athletes that they have on both of those rosters,
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  Speaker 4: and that can create matchup problems. It certainly has for
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  Speaker 4: the University of Utah. Are hyper athletic teams going to
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  Speaker 4: be a matchup problem for BYU basketball because they've got
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  Speaker 4: some hyper athletes.
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  Speaker 1: It's not top to bottom on the roster, though, So.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, said no, right, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: we're at a point where we've seen, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: would even include Terrence Brown on that category that it
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't matter who you play against.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got it right. And and I would
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  Speaker 2: very much put Terrence Brown.
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  Speaker 3: At you know, at at the same or very darn
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  Speaker 3: close to the level of Robert Wright, Richie Saunders and A. J.
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  Speaker 2: Debonts.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously AJ is probably a step above everybody because
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  Speaker 3: he's the number one pick, right, But Terrence Brown, what
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  Speaker 3: I saw from him when by You played Utah was incredible.
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  Speaker 3: What I saw from him against Texas Tack was really good, right,
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  Speaker 3: Maybe just didn't shoot the threes too well, but aside
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  Speaker 3: from that, just a solid overall performance to care the ball,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a two to one assist the turnover ratio,
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  Speaker 3: And so I just think that again to your point, Sean, right,
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  Speaker 3: it is. Let's let's just put it this way. It's
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  Speaker 3: less difficult to construct a really successful college basketball roster
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  Speaker 3: in this day and age, because.
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  Speaker 2: You probably pay one or two studs.
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  Speaker 3: You know, over a million, and then you pay another
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  Speaker 3: two guys close to that that are just really really good,
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  Speaker 3: fill out your team with another two or three rotation
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  Speaker 3: players with about you know, four or five hundred thousand,
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  Speaker 3: and kaboom, you have a seven man rotation that can
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  Speaker 3: probably get you the Sweet sixteen. And so obviously it's
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  Speaker 3: easier said and done, and you have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: you know, variables that you don't control.
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  Speaker 2: That you have to account for, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I look at those six team I mentioned, right, Arizona, Houston,
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  Speaker 3: Iowa State, BYU and Dan Texas stack right, and I
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  Speaker 3: just think that the level of talent and athleticism, to
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  Speaker 3: your point, they are at a step above everybody else where.
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  Speaker 3: Most teams maybe have one player that level, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in Utah's cases, Terrence Brown, but a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: teams don't have one at that level.
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  Speaker 4: here on the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by
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  Speaker 4: our friends down at Murdock Ford, Santa Quinn. So, this
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  Speaker 4: is a pretty tough stretch for BYU basketball. Four out
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  Speaker 4: of six are against top twenty five teams. You've got
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  Speaker 4: Arizona right after another in state rivalry game, you got
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  Speaker 4: Houston at the tail end of this tough six game stretch.
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  Speaker 4: And when you've got four out of six against ranked teams,
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  Speaker 4: and then the other one is an in state rival
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  Speaker 4: that's always at least emotional, even if you are the
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  Speaker 4: better team and you're on your home floor, I mean
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  Speaker 4: that could be an exhausting little run for this BYU team.
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  Speaker 4: So as we look forward to this weekend and another
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  Speaker 4: matchup with Utah, obviously BYU successful eighty nine eighty four
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  Speaker 4: the first time out, and that was on Utah's home floor.
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  Speaker 4: What do you need to see the Kougs do against
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  Speaker 4: the running Uts to make this one? I don't know, easier,
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  Speaker 4: less close, less of a fight.
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  Speaker 3: So I will say this, I I'll answer your question
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  Speaker 3: in a different way that hopefully makes sense. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care if BYU beats Utah by one or ten. What
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  Speaker 3: I personally want to see is I want to see
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  Speaker 3: non Big three players score more than thirty five points.
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  Speaker 3: And to me, that becomes the key of every single
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  Speaker 3: game that BYU plays because you already know that AJ
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  Speaker 3: and Richie and Rob are going to have you know,
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  Speaker 3: sixty seventy eighty percent of the points and that's fine,
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  Speaker 3: But at a certain point in time, Sean, some of
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  Speaker 3: these guys, you know, as they say on the Wolf
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  Speaker 3: of Wall Street, you know, the roosters come home to
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  Speaker 3: roost or whatever is the expression that it says. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, like the chickens are going to come home
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  Speaker 3: to roosts. Some of these guys are getting one hundred
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars, What are you getting
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  Speaker 3: the money for? Because if you're shooting twenty five percent
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  Speaker 3: from three, that's not good, Bob, Like.
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  Speaker 2: That's terrible.
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  Speaker 3: And so to me, Saturday's game against Utah, BUYU has
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  Speaker 3: a whole week to be able to get healthy and recover,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, let guys.
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  Speaker 2: Sleep on a Hyperbarrick chair. You know, tant for all
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  Speaker 2: I care.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, the main thing is because because the
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  Speaker 3: supporting cast, I'm not even talking about the danch, I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about Canard Davis is four for twenty six from
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  Speaker 3: the three point line since Big twelve Big Twelve play started.
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  Speaker 3: Mahilo is playing about the same amount of minutes as
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  Speaker 3: he was last year, and he's shooting less and you.
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  Speaker 2: Know his percentages are lower.
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Moruss were truly brought in for BYU to be
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  Speaker 3: able to knock down three pointers. He's shooting less than
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  Speaker 3: thirty percent from three point line. And so to me,
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  Speaker 3: the goal for Saturday is win the game, make sure
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  Speaker 3: nobody gets hurt. Can we get someone not named aj,
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  Speaker 3: non named Richie, and non named Rob to be able
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  Speaker 3: to help with more than ten points? To me, Sean
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  Speaker 3: in full transparency. And I know a lot of YU
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  Speaker 3: fans don't like that I said this. I got a
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  Speaker 3: slap on the risk from one of the networks that
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  Speaker 3: I work with for seeing it. But my goodness, gracious,
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  Speaker 3: someone needs to step up, Sean, because these guys are
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  Speaker 3: actually getting.
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  Speaker 2: Paid to do this.
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  Speaker 4: It's a weird dynamic now in college sports where you know,
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  Speaker 4: we used to be less critical, or you'd criticize performance,
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  Speaker 4: but you wouldn't call out individual players and things like that,
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  Speaker 4: And now we all have to adjust to the idea
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  Speaker 4: that like we do it with the pros, we could
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  Speaker 4: do it with the college athletes because they are pros,
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  Speaker 4: they're paid, they're highly compensated.
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  Speaker 1: It's a wild adjustment for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And I couldn't agree more right, And you know, as
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  Speaker 3: I got to BYU and I came from Brazil, obviously
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  Speaker 3: I never played professionally in Brazil. You know, the club
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  Speaker 3: that I grew up for had a professional team, so
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  Speaker 3: I was around pros.
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  Speaker 2: And the notion that like, hey, you know, ticket sales is.
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  Speaker 3: What funds our salaries, and you know sponsorships is well
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  Speaker 3: fund our salaries. So you are on a performance based,
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  Speaker 3: you know, situation where you got to perform, you got
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  Speaker 3: to show up. So I've always known that, you know, especially.
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  Speaker 2: When I got to America.
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  Speaker 3: And it is difficult, right, I mean, you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: never really hated NIL until and maybe that's a strong thing.
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  Speaker 2: I love n I L.
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  Speaker 3: I think the players should get played. And I told
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  Speaker 3: this to my mother in law yesterday. I never was like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: I really wish I had an I L until last week.
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  Speaker 2: I was at BUYU TV.
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  Speaker 3: I was preparing for one of the games that we
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  Speaker 3: were doing, and one of the interns is a softball
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  Speaker 3: gal that that that it's interning, she wants to be
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  Speaker 3: a journalist and so on. And we did the map, Sean,
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  Speaker 3: and in one year at BUYU, she got more money
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  Speaker 3: than I did all of my four years, you know,
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  Speaker 3: of scholarship. Now again, right, I've always this, Sean. You
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  Speaker 3: can go back to when I you and I start
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  Speaker 3: our relationship back in the NCAA tournament, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago. I have zero problem and I've
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  Speaker 3: always said that with nil and players getting paid. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I broke a ton of records at BYU,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, like I mean, the only guy that's
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  Speaker 3: made more threes there is a guy named Jim Or
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  Speaker 3: I can live with Dad.
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  Speaker 2: I was the winningest.
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  Speaker 3: Player when I graduated, and a softball player made makes
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  Speaker 3: more than I did in my four years. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be okay and not criticize a guy that's
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: getting three hundred thousand dollars to knock down three pointers
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: and he's not. My patience has limits, and you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I see your point. I've always been very critical of players.
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  Speaker 3: But now the Pandora's boxes out, the genie is never
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: going to go back in a bottle, and that's just
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the reality that we're in right now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's a it's a crazy thing.
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  Speaker 4: And it's actually a blessing for me that I was
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: never a good college athlete, because I would be bitter,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: right if I was a great if I was a
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabernari or I'm really close friends with Jan Jorgensen,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: or if I was a gym er for debt and
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I was not allowed to be paid anything and I
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: was generating that kind of revenue and ticket sales and
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: people were wearing my jersey and I had nothing to
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: show for it. But then these kids do would I
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: would not have such a good mindset like you guys
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: all seem to have. So it is a blessing for
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: me that I was a walk on and I will
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: be a walk on now where you don't get anything,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I would say one thing, Sean, there was one thing
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that I am. I am bitter about and I am
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: jealous about. And I've been open about this. You know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I fight weight problems. I have weight issues like you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I've gained over one hundred pounds since I've retired from basketball.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And the one thing, Sean, more than anything, that really
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: hurts my heart and it makes me sad, and I
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: have a bitterer towards the current situation is I barely
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: had any money to eat, right, I mean, I had
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: to go to McDonald's and Burger King and Wendy's most
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: of my meals because I just didn't have the money
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: for it, right, I mean, you know, I got a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: nine hundred dollars, nine hundred dollars check every month, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: you know, four hundred win to rent and then you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: another one hundred and fifty win on gas for me
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: to drive around. I had a phone bill of about
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: fifty seventy five bucks, and so like I was last
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: with about four hundred dollars a month, three hundred dollars
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a month for me to be able to eat. And
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: during season, you know, which is when I was always
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in my best shape. BYU like every other college supplemented
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that because we had key meals and so on on
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: the off season, Sean, it was difficult.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It was tough.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And so that is the one thing that I holded
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: that I think the way that colleges are supporting athletes
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: now with you know, meals and all of that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Type of stuff.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I think it's great and so and with the money stuff, Sean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you know, once we go on to the next part
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: of the next part of the plan, you know, we
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: don't take anything with us really and honestly, seawan relationships
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: like I have with you with the media where I
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: was able to have a four year career there, which nowadays,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: as you know, people just you know, people just don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: stay at a place for that long.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: You know, to me goes me more than having.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: A couple of million dollars in my account, which would
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: be fantastic. But you know me well enough to know
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that I mean when I say that, and I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: there are pros and cons with both aspects of how
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it was and how it is today.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and man I would I would.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I would play just for the food now, I like
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: they You're right, they get taken care of from a
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: meal's perspective, but the genie will never go back in
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: the bottle. We'll keep talking about it with JT. Jonathan Tabernari.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I always appreciate your time. Thank you, my friend.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate you and looking forward to to a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: great battle on Saturday would be a fun one to
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: have it on our neck of the woods, this
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Time running youts and b Yu Ku Bog's Saturday at
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the Marriott Center