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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, and welcome into JFK Book Reviews, a division
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  Speaker 1: of the Lone Gummin' Podcast. I am Big Bad Bob
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  Speaker 1: here with you. And in case you hadn't noticed, today's
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  Speaker 1: book is Appointment in Dallas. The Final Solution to the
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  Speaker 1: Assassination of JFK by Hugh McDonald. A book so nice,
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  Speaker 1: I bought it twice. This one here is the first
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  Speaker 1: edition paperback. From 1975 it was published. First edition. This
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  Speaker 1: book had many editions. This is one. Back by popular demand.
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  Speaker 1: Not sure if this is the second or third edition.
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  Speaker 1: But this one in particular was published in 1990. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to lie to you. It was 91 or 92.
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  Speaker 1: February 92. Is when this one was published. And I
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  Speaker 1: know it was published again. As you can see over here,
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  Speaker 1: over here, here, here, here, in this picture, this version
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  Speaker 1: of the book in the little gold oval, it says
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  Speaker 1: 50th anniversary edition. Um, so I know it's been published many,
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  Speaker 1: many times in this book has a oval edition as well,
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  Speaker 1: but this was, uh, this one came out in the trail, uh,
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  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the JFK movie. By Oliver Stone.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Blatant attempt to cash in. And I ain't
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  Speaker 1: mad at you Hugh. This book. Actually I bought. This
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  Speaker 1: book here. Many many moons ago. It has the wonder book.
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  Speaker 1: Price tag, $ 2. 99, I think. $ 3. And guess what? If
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  Speaker 1: you want one now on Amazon, you're going to pay $ 60. So,
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  Speaker 1: hell of an investment by me, your boy. But there
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  Speaker 1: are other editions available, and I'll put the link in
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  Speaker 1: the description of this video. You can get it for
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  Speaker 1: as cheap as $ 5. 50.
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  Speaker 2: $ 5. 50.
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  Speaker 1: So there is mass market paperback versions that you can buy.
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  Speaker 1: It's on Kindle for $ 4.
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  Speaker 2: 99.
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  Speaker 1: So it's pretty cheap if you want to read it.
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  Speaker 1: This book clocks in. It's a pocket book. Not like
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  Speaker 1: Ladies Carry, but it's a book that fits in your
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  Speaker 1: back pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's very tiny. It's about 205 pages long. And it
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  Speaker 1: honestly reads like a novel. Like it doesn't read like
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  Speaker 1: a typical JFK assassination research book. This book is allegedly
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  Speaker 1: chronicling Hugh McDonald's hunt for the alleged assassin of JFK
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  Speaker 1: who was codenamed Saul. And he finally tracked him down
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  Speaker 1: in 1972 to a hotel in London and was able
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  Speaker 1: to talk to him. And the book kind of takes
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  Speaker 1: you on this narrative journey through Hugh McDonald's storied career.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you some of that story
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  Speaker 1: here in a second. But it takes you through his
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  Speaker 1: storied career, his accomplishments, significant accomplishments. his reaction at the
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  Speaker 1: time to the assassination of JFK, his alliance with the CIA,
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  Speaker 1: his contacts at the CIA who told him about Saul,
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  Speaker 1: his chase and hunt for Saul, which took him through
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  Speaker 1: 10 countries and over 50,000 miles, and then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath. What to do with this information? What to do?
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  Speaker 1: What to do with it? Well, he decided to write
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  Speaker 1: a book about it. But back to Hugh McDonald for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, this guy on its surface
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  Speaker 1: and the subject matter of the book, you might be
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  Speaker 1: thinking to yourself, this guy's a kook. He's a little kooky.
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  Speaker 1: He's a little kooky. But he has some serious bona fides, folks.
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  Speaker 1: And when I read some of his bona fides, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, shit. So get this. So he entered
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  Speaker 1: the Army in the middle of World War II in 1942.
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  Speaker 1: As a private, he attended OCS, discharged in 1946 as
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  Speaker 1: a major in military intelligence. From 1946 to 1954, he
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  Speaker 1: was second in command of the largest military intelligence school
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  Speaker 1: in the nation, Fort MacArthur, California, at present, rank major
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  Speaker 1: military intelligence in the retired reserve. In 1949, he became
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  Speaker 1: a sergeant with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, assigned
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  Speaker 1: to the Detective Bureau, general assignment. In 1951, he became
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  Speaker 1: lieutenant of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, assigned to
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  Speaker 1: the Detective Bureau and handled all types of investigations, was
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  Speaker 1: for a period of time the commander of that section
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  Speaker 1: of the Bureau which handled all sex crimes. And in 1956,
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  Speaker 1: he became captain of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department,
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  Speaker 1: assigned to the Patrol Division as a captain in command
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  Speaker 1: of the Hollywood Station. This is the station which has
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  Speaker 1: its territory in the famous Sunset Strip. and is a
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  Speaker 1: territory which presents sensitive and unusual problems of the rich
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  Speaker 1: and famous, if you know what I'm saying. Some things
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  Speaker 1: require extreme discretion back in the 50s to protect these
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood icons. In 1958, he became the inspector for the
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, commanding a geographical area of
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles County, which included the beach area of Malibu,
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  Speaker 1: the mountain areas of Altadena, Montrose, Newhall, and the Antelope Valley.
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  Speaker 1: In 1963, he became the division chief of the Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff's Department, commanding the Civil Division. This division
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  Speaker 1: consists of approximately 500 men and services of the Superior
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  Speaker 1: Court System of the County of Los Angeles, which is
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  Speaker 1: the largest system of its kind in the world. This
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  Speaker 1: division provides security for the court system and handles all
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  Speaker 1: orders emanating from the courts. In February of 1967, he
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  Speaker 1: retired as Chief of Detectives, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department,
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  Speaker 1: in direct control and command of some 600 detective sergeants.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote such books as, let's see, he taught at
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  Speaker 1: the University of California, Los Angeles University, He taught at
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  Speaker 1: the University of Southern California, the University of Oklahoma, the
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  Speaker 1: University of Louisville, Kentucky. He was a graduate of the
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  Speaker 1: 67th class of the FBI Academy in Washington, D.C. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote such books as The Investigation of Sex Crimes, The
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  Speaker 1: Classification of Police Photographs, and The Psychology of Police Interrogations.
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  Speaker 1: They are standard text in most police academies. Not only that, folks...
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  Speaker 1: He is the creator of the Identikit, which was a
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  Speaker 1: portable system used to create composite mugshots or caricatures of suspects.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of having somebody sketch them out, they could let
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  Speaker 1: the person who was the witness, instead of having to
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  Speaker 1: relay what they saw to a sketch artist who then
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  Speaker 1: had to interpret what they're saying and draw it, and
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  Speaker 1: then tweak it to match what the witness is trying
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  Speaker 1: to describe the person looks like. It was a system
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  Speaker 1: made up of different parts of the human face, such
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  Speaker 1: as the forehead, the eyes, the eyebrows, the nose, the jawline,
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  Speaker 1: the face shape, the chin, Lips. All of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And the witness could build a composite. using these different
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  Speaker 1: body parts to identify who they saw. And just to
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  Speaker 1: show you real quickly what I'm talking about, it's much
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  Speaker 1: easier to show you than to try to tell you
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  Speaker 1: because it's very complicated. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 2: Where'd it go? Where'd it go?
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  Speaker 1: Alright, I think this is it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So... Hold on. How do I back this up? Um....
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to control that, but I'll just
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  Speaker 1: share my screen and we'll kind of jump in.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So it came in a kit, the Identikit handbook, and
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  Speaker 1: it consisted of these clear overlays of different aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the human face that you could overlay on top of
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  Speaker 1: each other and create a suspect mugshot. Now, there are
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  Speaker 1: many different versions of this type of thing, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not exactly sure which one was Hugh McDonald's. And there's
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  Speaker 1: not much information out there on Hugh McDonald, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of odd. It's kind of odd, if you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: Let me show you this here as well. Here's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a different version. It had these overlying realistic looking
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  Speaker 1: flaps that you could overlap. This is not the transparent version.
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  Speaker 1: And it is kind of odd, I know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's some big ass hair. Weird looking chin, jawline. But
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  Speaker 1: this is the type of thing that you could build
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  Speaker 1: with an identikit. Here is another version of one. And
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  Speaker 1: you see how many different kind of noses, eyes, and
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  Speaker 1: things are located in this kit. Foreheads, hair. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was probably a mess to try to build something
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  Speaker 1: like this. But anyway, Hugh McDonald brought this affordable... Easy
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  Speaker 1: to use version to the masses. To the world. Actually.
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  Speaker 1: Which is very odd. Because. When you see. A book
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  Speaker 1: like this. Pop up. And a guy with these kind
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  Speaker 1: of bonafides. And the story that he tells. Is. It's
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  Speaker 1: very odd. But the oddest part is, this guy was
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate CIA contract agent since the early 50s. You
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  Speaker 1: can't make this stuff up, folks. Also interesting, and the
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  Speaker 1: use of the name Saul As an assassin. Is not unique.
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  Speaker 1: To this book. Appointment in Dallas. Part. Of the Roscoe
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  Speaker 1: White story. Which. To me. Lends more credence. To the fact.
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  Speaker 1: That it was made up. And not real. Is because Saul.
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  Speaker 1: Or I'm sorry. Roscoe White. Allegedly. Or Geneva. Or Ricky.
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  Speaker 1: Or whoever the. cooked all this shit up right uses
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  Speaker 1: the code name Saul for one of three assassins assigned
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  Speaker 1: to kill President Kennedy in Dallas Roscoe White's code name
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  Speaker 1: was Mandarin there was another code name Saul and another
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  Speaker 1: code name something else I don't remember right off the
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  Speaker 1: top of my head but they likely pulled this code
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  Speaker 1: name from this book that came out in 1975. Hello. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know Roscoe was dead by then, so whoever, Geneva, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: or Ricky, likely this is where the name Saul comes from.
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  Speaker 1: Either that or everything that Roscoe White said was real,
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  Speaker 1: and Hugh McDonald knew it way earlier than everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Occam's Razor here, folks. Occam's Razor. This book is not
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  Speaker 1: written by Hugh McDonald. It clearly says on the front
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  Speaker 1: of it, as told to Jeffrey Baca. That would be
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  Speaker 1: Chewbacca's long-lost brother. I'm kidding, of course. That is Jeffrey Baca.
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  Speaker 1: Geoffrey Bocca. So again, like I said, it reads like
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  Speaker 1: a novel, a novella, if you will, not like a
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  Speaker 1: research book. This is one of those books you can
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  Speaker 1: start reading and not put it down and be done
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  Speaker 1: with it in like two or three hours. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know quite what to make of it. This is the
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  Speaker 1: one book that gives me the most trouble when trying
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  Speaker 1: to identify exactly what in the Sam hell is this book.
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  Speaker 1: I would think that because of the guy's bona fides...
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  Speaker 1: or bona fides, if you will, that he wouldn't jeopardize
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  Speaker 1: his storied career as a respected military intelligence officer. His
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  Speaker 1: meteoric rise through the ranks of the Los Angeles County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department to the point of chief His status with
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  Speaker 1: the CIA. And let me show you a picture that
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  Speaker 1: Hugh MacDonald made with his identikit after meeting with Saul
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  Speaker 1: in London. It's very interesting. He actually used his identikit
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  Speaker 1: and put together from memory this man, Saul. If I
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  Speaker 1: can find it in here.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: I just said come on. Come on. Come for the filter.
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  Speaker 1: Stay for the taste. Kent cigarettes. Only hot chicks smoke them.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Oh, boy. There it is. Gosh dang it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is Saul. According to Hugh MacDonald... put together
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  Speaker 1: by his identikit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Now, again, this is in 1972 that he is allegedly
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  Speaker 1: meeting Saul. So you have to imagine that this is
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  Speaker 1: nine years after the assassination takes place. Nine years after 1963.
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  Speaker 1: Almost a decade this man has aged. Does he look
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  Speaker 1: familiar to anyone associated with the assassination in 1963? Come on, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Use your heads. Well, People had questions, shall we say.
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  Speaker 1: So let us take a look at this here. All right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to set the table here a little
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  Speaker 1: bit for who McDonald's thinks Saul was. Okay. Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the famous, well, somewhat famous, October 8th,
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  Speaker 1: 1963 memo. from the Mexico City station back to headquarters
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  Speaker 1: concerning the activities of one Lee Oswald whilst in Mexico
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  Speaker 1: City and his Soviet contacts whilst in Mexico City. Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So check this out. This is October 8th. This is pre-assassination.
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  Speaker 1: ACC Leonvoy, October 1st, American male who spoke broken Russian,
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  Speaker 1: said his name Lee Oswald, stated he at Soviet embassy
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  Speaker 1: on 28 September when he spoke with a consul whom
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  Speaker 1: he believed to be Valery Vladimirovich Kostikov. Subject asked Soviet
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  Speaker 1: guard Ivan Obyetkov who answered if there anything new regarding
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  Speaker 1: the telegram to Washington. Obyetkov, upon checking, said nothing received
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  Speaker 1: yet but request been sent. Have photos. Mail appears to
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  Speaker 1: be entering Soviet embassy at 1216 hours and leaving 1222
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  Speaker 1: hours on 1 October. A parent age 35, athletic build,
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  Speaker 1: six feet tall, receding hairline, balding on top, wore khakis
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  Speaker 1: and a sports shirt. Source is L.I.
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  Speaker 2: Empty.
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  Speaker 1: That would be their photo surveillance that they had on
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  Speaker 1: the Soviet embassy. No local dissemination.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: No local dissemination.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: We all know about the photos of the unidentified guy
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  Speaker 1: that they said was Oswald. And we've seen these pictures
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  Speaker 1: before of the guy who kind of looks Russian. A
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  Speaker 1: little bit leaving the Soviet embassy in Mexico City. He's
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  Speaker 1: another white guy. But it's definitely not Lee Oswald. Okay? So,
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  Speaker 1: to think that the CIA had purposefully, i.e. the Mexico Station,
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  Speaker 1: had purposefully sent the wrong photographs of Lee Oswald to
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  Speaker 1: either confuse or hide the fact that he was actually there.
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  Speaker 1: This cable... Originating from October 8th. Clearly this is pre-assassination now, folks.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know he's going to do anything. They screwed
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  Speaker 1: up and photographed the wrong person. Clearly Oswald is not 35.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly he doesn't have an athletic build. Clearly he's not
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  Speaker 1: six feet tall. Uh, he may have somewhat of a
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  Speaker 1: receding hairline, but he definitely wasn't balding on top. Um, Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: this gives birth to a thousand conspiracy theories when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to Oswald and Mexico City. But let me show
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  Speaker 1: you this. Let me show you this now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This here is a request for the approval of liaison,
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  Speaker 1: secret classification, 5 April 1960. This is all pre-assassination as well.
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  Speaker 1: This is to the Chief of the Employee Activity Branch.
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  Speaker 1: The following contact is hereby requested to be effective on
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  Speaker 1: a continuing basis. Not a one-time basis. Continuing basis. Name, Ryan...
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  Speaker 1: Office TSD off Hugh C. McDonald of the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office. Be given a renewal of his secret
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  Speaker 1: clearance that was originally given to him on 22 April 1955.
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  Speaker 1: Now they want to upgrade his clearance to top secret
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  Speaker 1: for the above subject, that being Hugh McDonald. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: I can't read this cursive. Something about per telegrams. White
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  Speaker 1: something redacted 4760. This is not a government employee and
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  Speaker 1: something should be presented to CB by member, I don't know, something.
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  Speaker 1: But you see here the classification of matter to be
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  Speaker 1: discussed is There's unclassified, there's confidential, there's secret, and there's
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  Speaker 1: top secret. So, they want to give this guy the
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  Speaker 1: highest authority. Authority! Don't question my authority. And this comes from,
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  Speaker 1: of course, James P. O'Connor, the head of security for
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  Speaker 1: the CIA, who we'll see on many more documents here
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  Speaker 1: in just a second. Uh, So again, Hugh McDonald's connections
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  Speaker 1: with the CIA, not alleged, real.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, there's more. But wait, there is more.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So this is November 21st, 1960. Memorandum for the Chief
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  Speaker 1: Personnel Security Division, Subject Hugh Chisholm McDonald. It is requested
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  Speaker 1: that subject individual be granted continuing contact approval through top
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  Speaker 1: secret purpose for matters of interest to TSD authentication. Hugh McDonald,
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  Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, born 1913 at Hopkins, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: Upon receipt of this request, further coordination will be affected
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  Speaker 1: in compliance with CIA Regulation 60.2. Again, signed by James P. O'Connor,
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  Speaker 1: Chief of the Security Division.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: But wait. There's more. There's always more. This is where
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  Speaker 1: it gets interesting, folks. When you can find real documentation
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  Speaker 1: of the story told 50 plus years ago again this
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  Speaker 1: is another CIA memorandum this time for the chief of
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  Speaker 1: the clearance branch subject Hugh Chisholm McDonald this memorandum is
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  Speaker 1: to summarize security action redacted appraiser somebody In the case
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  Speaker 1: of the subject person in connection with application for employment
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  Speaker 1: as TSD interest, grade redacted, in redacted. Subject is 47
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  Speaker 1: years of age and was born in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Subject's father born in the U.S., mother born in the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: The only relatives are known to reside outside of the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: or to be citizens of another country are none. Subject
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  Speaker 1: attended high school until 1932. Privately employed from 32 to 42,
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  Speaker 1: 42-46 U.S. Army, 40 to present. Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative action by CIA consists of coverage as scheduled, including
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  Speaker 1: contact with zero listed references and three developed references, including neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: Investigation curtailed in view of 1953. NAC negative concerning subject
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  Speaker 1: and spouse. File reviewed, ND. ACSI records reflect a favorable
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  Speaker 1: BI of subject in 53. Secret clearance granted in May
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  Speaker 1: of 53. OL granted secure secret contract approval for the
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  Speaker 1: unemployment of subject on April 22, 55. TSS granted secret
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  Speaker 1: contact clearance 15 December 54. Subject placed in approved caution
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  Speaker 1: category for contact by CO on November 1954. FBI records
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  Speaker 1: show an incomplete favorable investigation which concluded on July 13, 60.
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  Speaker 1: except as noted below, no informant questioned the subject's loyalty, integrity, discretion,
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  Speaker 1: or trustworthiness, No informant questioned or commented adversely on the
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  Speaker 1: subject's character, personality, associates, or relatives. So he got a
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  Speaker 1: favorable review from the CIA saying we can trust this guy.
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  Speaker 1: They checked him out. They checked his bona fides out.
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  Speaker 2: And by golly, by golly. So, let's see here. What
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  Speaker 2: is this? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, one thing that Hugh McDonald did that really garnered
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  Speaker 1: the interest of the CIA was his development of the Identikit,
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  Speaker 1: like I told you before. So, in March of 1960...
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  Speaker 1: Regarding the identikit, attached to this memorandum is a copy
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  Speaker 1: of an article appearing in the February 1960 issue of
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  Speaker 1: Science and Mechanics Magazine. Page 2 reflects a comment to
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  Speaker 1: the effect that the U.S. Intelligence underwrote the development of
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  Speaker 1: the identikit to the amount of $ 87, 000. TSD under RD
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  Speaker 1: Research and Development 177 and under the Earport Program. has
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  Speaker 1: invested $ 82, 531 into the identikit. Chief Hugh McDonald, who is
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in the article, is a cleared TSD consultant. He
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  Speaker 1: was initially briefed by Mr. Anderson of the TSD slash EB.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: The agency sponsored Mr. McDonald's visit to Washington, arranged for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: his trip to Honolulu, Hawaii. All in connection with the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: development of the Identikit, the Townsend Corporation, working with McDonald,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: has built a number of these kits and will advise
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the agency of any of these kits being sold to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: foreign powers, etc. Mr. Courtney Owens, sales manager of the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Townsend Engineering Corporation, is a redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: understands the agency's interest in the kit. Townsend has also
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: opened a school for Identikit users. three persons from TSD
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: have attended this school. All right, so basically what this says,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and again, this comes from James P. O'Connor, they funded
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Hugh McDonald's research and development into the identikit to the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tune of $ 82, 500, which, by the way, in the 1950s
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and 60s is almost a million dollars. today money almost
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a million dollars not too chabby not too chabby I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: take it I would take it Hugh I don't blame
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you Hugh all right now let's fast forward to 1969
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: What a year. Okay. Now, they're checking on Hugh McDonald
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: again in 1969. Again, he's done nothing adverse to this point.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Subject's 201 file is on permanent charge of the CCSRR,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: room GH44, extension 7183, redacted of the above office advised
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: on 9 July 69 that the 201 was recently initiated
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and contains but meager information, none of which is of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a derogatory nature. Redacted stated, however, that the file was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: available for review if deemed necessary. This comes from the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: chief of the case analysis branch. Somebody. Can't read the cursive.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So again, he's still under contract with the CIA as
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of 1969. But the more things change, the more they
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: stay the same. So let's fast forward a little bit
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to 1976. This is the year after Hugh McDonald publishes
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the book, Appointment in Dallas. This is a memorandum for
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the record CIA. Now let me tell you, this okay
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: so in the book he mcdonald is in dc uh
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: doing on fbi business either either schooling them on the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: use of the identikit or he is taking investigative classes
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: or teaching investigative classes at the fbi academy at quantico
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and he decides to pop in and see an old
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: friend a guy by the name of herman kimsey okay Now,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: as you can see here, they both have SF numbers. Okay.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: And at the beginning of the book, Appointment in Dallas,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: he does give a slight disclaimer. A slight disclaimer. Let's see.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: He says, in the intelligence community, as well as the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: newspaper business, Sources of information must remain inviolate. Therefore, certain names, dates, places,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and events in this book have been altered or disguised
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to protect people whose lives might be endangered. The facts
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of Saul's confession are just as they were told to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: me in the Westbury Hotel in London, England. Any literary
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: coloration is at the behest of my co-author, Jeffrey Baca. Now,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you would think that if he's putting insensitive information in
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the book, such as his buddy that works at the CIA,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that he would change his name. But he puts the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: motherfucker's name in here. Clearly, Herman Kimsey. Clearly, a real
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: CIA employee, operative, asset, whatever you want to call him,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he's real. That's his real name. Like, Hugh done this
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: guy dirty. So, the CIA says, During the December of 1975,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: file reviews were conducted relative to certain allegations made by
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Hugh McDonald in the book Appointment in Dallas, wherein McDonald
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: alleges that he met the real assassin of President Kennedy
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: in the office of then-agency staff employee Herman Kimsey on
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: 27 April 1961. From research, it is possible the office
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: referred to by McDonald Maybe the 1834 Connecticut Avenue, Northwest Washington, D.C.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: covert site. And it has its own SF number, 383601.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Because in the book, McDonald says he went to the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: CIA office on Connecticut Avenue. And I'm like, there's no
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: CIA office on the Connecticut Avenue. I said, it's in Langley, Virginia.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't in D.C. But... Obviously, Hugh McDonald knew where
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: this real-life CIA guy worked on Connecticut Avenue at a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: covert site on Connecticut Avenue. Now, me being the nosy
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: person that I is, I'm going to look up 18...
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: 34 Connecticut Avenue Northwest, because I want to see what
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a CIA covert site looks like. Oh, boy. We'll take
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a look at this in just a second. Let's get
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: through this document. Investigation into this matter is being placed
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in abeyance. In the event of further interest in this matter,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: David Crown, chief of the question document section, TSD, DDS,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and T, And the writer should be consulted. During the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: recent research, no information was developed to add any credence
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to McDonald's claims. The research included a review of Herman
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Kimsey's official personnel file, which they name here, plus a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: review of McDonald's 201 file, which they name here.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Crown has developed additional information concerning McDonald's from the 201
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: file and is holding such material in the event of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: further interest. Now we get Jerry Brown, Deputy Chief of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the Security Analysis Group involved here. There's attachment research notes
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of the Kinsey file. Kimsey file, sorry.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Whew.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So, shit is getting real. Or is it? So let
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: us take a look at 1834 Connecticut Avenue Northwest and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: see what a covert CIA site looks like. All right.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Here we are. It looks like a brownstone townhouse. A
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: very nice one. I wonder if there's any numbers. That's 1836. 1834.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You can see it on the red trash can or
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: book return or whatever that is. This appears to be
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: something now, but I can't quite make out what it is.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: But it's just a very nondescript looking brownstone row house
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: right if we go down the street just a little
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: bit do we have a better angle on this thing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: there's something written on the door but i can't make
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it out of what this is huh interesting There's something
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: behind this flower sign. Wow. Interesting. But that's it, folks. 1834.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Connecticut Avenue. Northwest. You wouldn't know it walking by it Oh, hello.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Hello, ladies. Hello there. What is this place? Is this
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a church or something?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It looks churchy.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: It looks very churchy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: St. Margaret's Episcopal Church. It is a church. Interesting.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe we can see the sciences now. Institute for
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Development Impact.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's still a CIA front. Who knows?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Interesting nonetheless, folks. And then I got one
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: more document to go through as we try to suss
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: out The veracity of the claims of Hugh McDonald, the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: author of this book. I know this is much more
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: than just a book review, but it needs to be.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to convey the understanding of what this
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: book is and what it represents and what it could
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: mean and what it could represent. And I can't accurately
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: do that without showing you the documents, folks. So you
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: can see with your own two eyes. So you can
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: make up your own mind about this book. All right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: so this is, again, CIA April 77. Internal CIA document
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: memorandum for the record. Possible identity of the unidentified man
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: photographed in Mexico City in October of 1963. References are
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the photos taken in Mexico City by Mexico City Station. B,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the paperback book appointment in Dallas. And C, a soft
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: file headquarters information on Yuri Ivanovich Moskalev, possible unidentified man.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Photographs of the unidentified man were taken by our Mexico
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: City station on 2, 3, 4, and 15 October 63.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Going into or coming out of both of the Cuban
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and Soviet embassies in Mexico City. Copies were provided to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the FBI in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963. Although
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: cropped copies have appeared in various works, including the Warren
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Commission report and the book appointment in Dallas, to our knowledge,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the individual has never been identified. On March 17, 1977,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a former member of the Cuban General Directorate of Intelligence
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: recognized photographs of the unidentified man as Yuri, last name unknown,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: who was a KGB officer whom he met in Moscow
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in 1964 while attending an intelligence course there. He said
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that Yuri, a fluent English and Spanish speaker, was acting
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: as a troubleshooter for the Cuban group. About 15 attended
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the course. Yuri lived with the Cuban and Bulgarian groups
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: quartered in the same building in Moscow. Anytime the Cubans
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: had a problem, Yuri would solve it. Yuri was a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: good friend of Juan Sudenim, a KGB officer who taught
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the Cubans about the CIA and the West German intelligence apparatus.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Juan told the DGI member that he had served in
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Mexico for 20 years and the U.S. clandestinely for 10.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yuri was entrusted with their welfare only and did not
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: attend classes with the Cuban group. SEX Travel Records. sexy
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: travel records were reviewed in search of an individual by
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the name of Yuri who possibly fit the description of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the identified man. This led to an individual by the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: name of Yuri Ivanovich Moskalev, a Soviet, reportedly a doctor
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of medical sciences who has participated in international scientific conferences
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for the USSR since 62 or earlier. Although there is
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: no official 201 file on Moskalev, there is a sizable
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: dossier on him that in the Central Reference Service. Many
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: of the documents in his dossier are 00 reports from
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the U.S. scientists concerning Moskalev's attendance and behavior at meetings.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: It is obvious that he has a much greater knowledge
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of the English language than he admits. His capability is
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: said to improve greatly after a few drinks, as does
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: my French. However, it is noted that he rarely, if ever,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: drank at the scientific meetings. It is also noted that
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: on redacted occasions, he reportedly was not qualified to represent
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the Soviets at a particular conference. His papers rarely, if ever,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: were specific or presented new data. Can you say, certainly
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: sounds like a cover job, folks, for a KGB agent.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a scientist. Trust me. I'm a doctor. Following are
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: items of interest from selected documents in Moxglev's CRS dossier.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: In 1971, Penkovsky identifies a photo with no name provided
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: as that of Colonel Yuri Ivanovich Moskalevsky of the Air
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Force Colonel and GRU officer in the Information Directorate of
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the GRU. In December of 63, the FBI reported a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: whole lot of redacted shit. In October of 63, Moskalev
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: was a delegate to the IAEA Symposium Committee on neutron
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: irradiation in Brookhaven, Long Island, New York. Described by U.S.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: scientists as very sharp, Moskalev was a frequent commenter on
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: other people's work and made a practice of denigrating their
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: reports with respect to radiation lethality. All your work is shit, mate!
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: In October 1967, Moskalev participated in the Second International Symposium
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: on Delayed Effects of Bone-Seeking Radionuclides in Sun Valley, Idaho.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: arriving two days early, probably to start drinking. He redacted, redacted, redacted,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: traveled to the Sun Valley, and apparently was able to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: use his knowledge of the English language to get along
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: on his own. Although he complained about not knowing much English,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: he admitted writing the English version of the paper that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: he presented. Moskalev attempted to make propaganda of a paper
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: by a West German scientist. A respected U.S. scientist said
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: he frankly did not believe Moskalev's findings. Moskalev took copious
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: notes on all papers, which indicated he understood what was
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: going on. He also took many pictures with a 35mm camera. Hello,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I'm a spy. From questions Moskalev asked, it was obvious
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that he knew English quite well. Although considerable time was
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: spent arranging for Moskalev to visit a U.S. lab en
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: route to his home, he took a different route without
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: telling anyone of his plans and did not visit the lab.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Pardon me while I I'll take a slight drink here. Ah, yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Alright, a whole lot of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: redactedness going on here. On March 23, 1977, several ID
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: experts of the Disguised and Identification Section of the OTSGAD
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: compared photos of the unidentified man... with photos of Yuri
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Moskalev from the FBI, the British Liaison, and the CRS.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It was their opinion that Moskalev could very likely be
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: identifiable with the unidentified man. On page 59 of the book,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Appointment in Dallas, shows an identikit model composite of an
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: individual who told the author in London in 1972 that
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: he was involved in the assassination of Kennedy. The composite
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of that individual, codename Saul, whose real name is unknown
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to the author, bears a striking resemblance to the photos
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: of Yuri Ivanovich Moskalev. According to the author, Saul identified
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the picture shown in the Warren Commission exhibits as having
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: been taken at the Russian embassy in Mexico City, either
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: in the foyer or just outside. The author of the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: aforementioned book, Hugh MacDonald, is the inventor of the identikit
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and at one time was under contract to the CIA
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in regards to the identikit, i.e. we funded him. MacDonald
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: claims in his book that he met Saul at an
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: office in CIA headquarters sometime after the Bay of Pigs invasion,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and then a colleague of McDonald told him that Saul
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: was an assassin. There are striking parallels between the backgrounds
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: of Saul as given in McDonald's book and Moskalev. For example, Saul,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the CIA allegedly knew of Saul. McDonald said he first
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: met Saul in CIA headquarters. Well, it wasn't CIA headquarters,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: it was the Connecticut Avenue secret site. CIA took a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: picture of Saul, that started McDonald's investigation, referring to the
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: one in Mexico City. Now, over here, Moskalev, according to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the Office of Security, McDonald has been in touch with
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the CIA in relation to his identikit. His file states
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that he was a cleared source of LAFO, DCS, through something,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: September 69th, contract agent, it is true that Mexico City
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Station took photos of Saul that McDonald claims started his investigation.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Page 59 on the left, see Identikit composite of Saul,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: which I showed you guys. The CDH comment is see
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: photos of Yuri Ivanovich Moskalev. He bears a striking resemblance
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to Hugh McDonald's composite of Saul. McDonald states it was
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: obvious the FBI and CIA were compromised at the very
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: top since both agencies denied any knowledge of Saul No
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: one wanted to hear any more about him. Over at
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the CIA, Richard Helms, the Deputy Director of Plans, testified
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: under oath that he didn't know Saul. Of course he's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not going to admit that he knows Saul. Page 69.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: McDonald began his search of Saul in 1970. It began,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: he said, with a call from an unidentified woman who
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: arranged a meeting in London and told him she believed
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the Russians had a germ warfare installation and Vazrazdenya in
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the Aral Sea. McDonald obtained CIA approval to make contact. Note,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Moskalev's scientific background and travel. He was in the UK
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: in 68, 70, 71, and 72. Background is biophysics. Moskalev's contact, Bobnov,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: specialized in chemical warfare. Moskalev was allegedly imprisoned during a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: war because of his German descent or for black market dealings.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Could he be a double agent? In Germany in 1945,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: McDonald knew of 12 people, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Germans, Scandinavians,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: two Russians who feared and hated Russia. They formed organizations
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to observe, analyze, and report all future activities within Russia
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and Russia's sphere of control. Most had legitimate jobs. September 24, 1970,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: McDonald left for London with Saul's picture. McDonald said both
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: he and Saul were contract men for the CIA. Saul
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: did dangerous jobs for private interests. On the right, McDonald
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: met Saul in London in July of 72. Moskalev travel
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: shows him in London in November of 72. Page 73
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: of the book, McDonald learned that on island of Osrozdenia
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: in the Oral Sea, germ warfare was being planned against
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Russians transmit germs in jet streams. Page 75,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: McDonald showed a photo of Saul to the man who
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be Saul. The man asked if McDonald's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: interest had to do with the murder of President Kennedy
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: in 1963. McDonald said, no, no, no, no, no. I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: just want to talk to you about business. Page 76,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: McDonald was sure that Saul was reasonably well known in
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: highly specialized circles on the European continent. McDonald says that
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: correlation between activity on Vazrazdenya and new types of influenza
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: in the U.S. is disturbingly exact. Moskalev is known in
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: international circles as a scientist of some sorts. A man
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: told MacDonald in summer of 1970 on outskirts of Gormish
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: that he was dying from radiation sickness. He was flown
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to Vazrazdenia, where he was led to believe there was
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a hospital that specialized in cases of radiation sickness and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: he would be looked after by famous doctors. On the right,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Moskalev was delegate to the Second International Congress on Radiation
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Protection in Brighton in the UK in May of 1970.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: And look, I'm not going to sit here and go
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: through this whole document, but by God, there's a lot
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of it. But we will fast forward to the bottom.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: To the bottom. All right, so we have some pictures
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: here of the unidentified man going and coming from the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City. We've all seen
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: these various images before of the guy. Definitely not Oswald.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Definitely has a Slavic or Russian look to him. And,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: of course, these are photocopies of the photo that look horrible.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Everybody out there has seen these before, and they've seen
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: clearer versions of them. Clearly not Oswald. In October of 63,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: when I showed you the cable from Mexico City, he
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: was described as 35, athletic build, 6 feet tall, blonde,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: receding hairline, balding top, khakis, and sports shirt.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Then we have a picture from 1971. Okay. And this
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: is eight years after the Kennedy assassination, eight years after
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the photos in Mexico City were taken. Say hello to
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Yuri Moskalev, folks. Yuri Moskalev. Is this the same guy?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Is this the same guy in the photos? Hard to say.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: What eight years does to a middle-aged man? I don't know.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: The guy in the picture, the only thing that I
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: can really compare it to is The guy in the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: photo has some very large ears. And if you look
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: at the picture of Yuri, again, the one thing that
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: does stand out about this guy is he's got some
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: big-ass ears. Could it be the same man? Slightly different hairstyle.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Slightly more balding. Slightly darker hair. Don't know. Is this Saul?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Is this the assassin of the president? Is this a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: KGB super spy posing as a scientist using his travels
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: around the world to commit assassinations and secret killings? I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to make of this book, folks. It's fascinating to think about.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff. It is.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: You know, this book, you just can't dismiss it out
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  Speaker 1: of hand as much as you may want to as
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: being some kind of kooky, quirky, bullshit novel. Somebody trying
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to cash in on the assassination. You know, this guy
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: wrote this book in 1975. It was published. So this
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is pre-HSCA. It's A dozen years after the assassination, when
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the interest in the case was really waning until they
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: showed him the Zapruder film on national television in 1975,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: this book was published before that happened. So it wasn't
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: like he was trying to cash in on a situation
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: when he published this book. Now, the one thing that
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: is concerning to me is that he went and published
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: a lot more books. And not just, not just Kennedy
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: assassination books, not just books on police procedures and interrogation
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  Speaker 1: tactics and all that.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: He went and published some obviously fictional novellas kind of
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: in the same vein as E. Howard Hunt, right? let's
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: see if I can pull up a couple of them
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  Speaker 1: and show you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see let's do this one And this one. Hang on.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Now let's do this one, this one, and this one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So here is one. It's called Stop living in fear.
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  Speaker 1: Learn proven strategies to protect yourself from violent crime. Survival
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  Speaker 1: by Hugh McDonald, former chief detective division, Los Angeles County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department. Safe, common sense advice for dealing with every
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  Speaker 1: kind of crime. What to do, what to say, how
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  Speaker 1: to act to keep a dangerous situation under control. All right.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Then we have this one here called Five Signs from Ruby.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: And no, it's not about Jack Ruby, folks. It's an
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: explosive thriller of terror and espionage in the sizzling Middle East.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Obviously a fictional thriller. Because this is thrillers. And let's see.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: There is another one. And I can't get the image
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: to pull up from that. But it is called... Huh. Huh. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he wrote a book in 1979 after the HSCA came
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  Speaker 1: out with somebody named Robin Moore called LBJ and the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: JFK conspiracy, a documented account of the vice president's prior
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: knowledge of an, of an appointment in Dallas, the Kennedy assassination. So,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: and he wrote others just strictly fictional books, but those
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: are the two books about the Kennedy assassination that he,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: that he wrote, um, And then, like I said, of course,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: this book has been republished a gazillion times. What's the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: truth behind it? I don't know. It's hard for me
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: to understand why a person of his bona fides and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: background would intentionally write a bullshit book, basically. I mean,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: it's either true or it's made up from whole cloth.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: And it's entirely bullshit. It can't be anything in between.
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  Speaker 1: And the little tidbits that we know, he names a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: real CIA agent in the book. He names a real
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: covert site for the CIA in the book. He reveals
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: his employment or contract status with the agency in the book.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Is this some kind of CIA business? controlled book that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: they put out to convolute shit. I don't know. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like I said, I don't know what to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: make of this book, but it is a damn good
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: read if you like stories about the JFK assassination. I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: just don't know how much we can believe it. So,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it's short. It's a fun read. You're not going to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: know what to make of the damn thing after you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: get done, but I recommend it if you can get
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: your hands on it and not pay $ 60 for a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: first edition like you are if you go on Amazon
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: right now. Again, there's other editions. I'll put the link
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: down in the description. You can get it for as
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: cheap as $ 5. A lot of the mass market paperbacks
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: are running around $ 8 to $ 10. You can get it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: on Kindle for $ 4. 99. Let's see. I'm going to give
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: this book an 8 out of 10 guns up. Only
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: because it is the one book dealing with the assassination
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: that I just can't figure out whether or not it's real.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: And no other book claiming to be some relevatory information
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: about the assassination has ever done that to me. I'm
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: still confounded to this day, 10 years after I read
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: this book initially, and I still don't know what to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: make of it. But it is worthy of going down
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: the rabbit hole of research. I scratched the surface for
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: you here today concerning Hugh McDonald's top secret status, his
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: employment with the CIA going back to the early 50s,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: up and through 1969. And, I mean, this guy was
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: a legitimate war hero. Military intelligence worked his way up
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: through the ranks of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
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  Speaker 1: to be the chief. He created an identikit funded by
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the CIA to better Get composite mug shots of suspects
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: in the pre-computer age. He did a lot of notable things.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: And I just can't figure out if he was like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to put out a totally bullshit book
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: about the JFK assassination. Is there any kernels of truth
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: in this thing? Is the entire thing true? I don't know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: but it's fucking fascinating to try to figure it out. Anyway,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I've been going on. This may be the longest book
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: review in the history of JFK Book Reviews, but it
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: needed to be. It needed to be. Because there's a
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: lot of context and background to this tiny-ass little itty-bitty book.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I've got one for each pocket. One for each pocket.
• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:27
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• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you will, and find the real documentation on Hugh McDonald.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: It'll tell a very interesting story. Anyway, that's it for
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• 1:07:47
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• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: until next time, folks, It's your boy, Big Bad Bob,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: going to put these books back on my shelf and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: grab another one to read. See you next time. Peace.