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Episode 142 - GLOW S2E5 - Perverts Are People, Too · My Third Place Pod

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You know, I'm just going to start every podcast with this
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fun fact. We're now at 98,000, which means
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200 more downloads left till we get to 10.
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Ki don't want to celebrate too early because I'm not that type
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of person, but I can assure you that within the next few days or
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week, I will be there. We will be there.
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We will all be there. And before we start with the
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uncontrollable tears that I'm about to get, I'll I'll end it
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right here. No more tears.
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I was told twice by two different people this past week
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that I reminded him of director Kevin Smith.
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That is like the highest form of compliment for me, considering
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that he is one of my favorite directors and I've actually met
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him ten years ago or over 10 years ago during the one of the
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comic book conventions that I attended.
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And this is the part where I think I should have had a
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podcast back then, because I went deep and asked him about an
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obscure movie that not many people knew about, except for
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the people that work behind the counter at Virgin Megastores.
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Y'all remember Virgin Megastores, right?
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No, Yes. No, no.
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If not, I'm about to take you on a nostalgia trip.
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Virgin Megastores had everything with the inception from 1976.
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Records, cassettes, CDs, movies, TV, shows, games, clothes.
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It's basically what FYE is today, but what FYE never had
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with a listening station. Pause.
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Let's take you to a movie. If you remember this movie,
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remember Empire Records? Yes.
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Damn the man. Save the Empire to this very
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day, this very day, every April 8th.
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To me, it will always be Rex Manning Day.
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Not on Rex Manning day. Yes, Sexy Rexy for the win.
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The dude that was in the cult hit Grease 2, because that's how
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I remember him. By Grease Two.
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That dude. You know, the one.
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The one with the cool rider, I guess.
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Yeah, that guy. So in the movie, there are
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booths where you can listen to music before you buy.
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You get to test out the product and if you like the music, you
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can buy it. Or you can just walk away, do
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what I do, did do what I did back in 2000.
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Just come out of the boot. Walk out.
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Thanks for letting me listen for free.
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Bye. Sorry, not sorry.
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You get to test out the product and if you like it, you can buy
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it. That's what Virgin Megastore was
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about 16 substation with 16 different albums that came out
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that whole month and you get to listen to it.
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I would go after work or days off, go listen to 16 different
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albums if you like. That's how I got to listen to
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Michael Jackson's Invincible before I bought it.
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Aaliyah's one of her albums, Sade.
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Yes, said that right, $0.50 Get rich or die trying Eminem Slim
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Shady LP before it came, when it when it came out, when he became
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huge. Listen to that, Bought them.
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I always loved going there. I listened to all the music,
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even though I wasn't going to buy anything from them.
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Whatever. What was wonderful?
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Napster came in after all of that, and I didn't have to
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travel anymore. I could just download it, get in
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trouble, possibly listen to the whole album.
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Oh my God, Napster. Remember burning CDs?
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I remember when we when there was a thing such as Mickey mix
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tapes on cassette tapes and at the right moment, right after
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before, right after the DJ speaks and before the DJ
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interrupts the song mixtapes right there and then.
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Write it down. This is my mixtape, all right.
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Just give it to the person you like.
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That was me with burning CDs. As soon as I knew how to burn
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CDs, as soon as I knew how to make albums like the Best
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Freaking Music Playlist, I'd burn it.
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Gave it to people. I sold it.
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Don't tell anybody, but I sold it.
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They gave me $2.00. I didn't want to get in trouble,
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but hey, I got $2.00 out of it anyway.
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God, I'm old. I'm aging myself.
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I already talked about cassettes and records and CDs and Napster
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and the the Gen. Z people are like what?
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Imagine if iPod was the nano. iPod was a little never mind,
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forget it. You wouldn't understand.
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Anyway, I didn't buy any CDs from there because Napster.
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But what I did buy from there were movies and some T-shirts.
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It's safe. It's safe to say that I bought
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all my Kevin Smith movies from there.
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Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, James, Silent Bob, Strike
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Back. Yeah, that was around the star.
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Clerks knew me by name at that point.
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Hey, is that one guy? What's up man?
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What's going on? Hey, yeah, cool.
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Like, do you have this movie and this movie?
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And this movie? Yeah, sure, it's right over
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there. But they suggested I buy 2
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movies as soon as they saw me with the Clerks and the other
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movies. Hey, you keep coming here and
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buying Kevin Smith movies. May I suggest 2 movies that you
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probably may never seen? They're obscure.
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One of them came out in 1996. Drawing flies.
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Saw it already. It was OK.
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The other one came out in the year 2000.
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Vulgar. I chose the latter because why
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not? They sold me on how dark it was
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and how I wouldn't think of Kevin Smith the same way again.
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OK, side note, another side note, another side quest.
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Side quest to the side quest. There's so many side quests.
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I miss side questing on this show, so we're going to bring
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that back. A lot of side quests.
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Dino, that clown does the start of all his movies is based on
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this. I go home to watch it in order,
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clerks, Mallrats chasing Amy Dogma scream three 'cause
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they're in there. James and Bob strike back.
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Yes, unfortunately, I saw Jersey Girl.
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I'm a big Kevin Smith supporter. Even though the horrible movies,
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it happens. There's even the comic book
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that's supposed to take place between Chasing Amy and Dogma.
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Chasing Dogma. And then I get to vulgar.
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Oh man, wow, It was dark. I wasn't expecting Kevin Smith
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to go dark, but it was dark last year.
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Of course I I was suggested to watch Tusk during October, and
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in doing so I thought for sure RedState or Vulgar were the last
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time I would say these movies are fucked up.
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These movies are dark, but no Tusk.
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Tusk was a different breed. Tusk.
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I still don't understand why there's going to be a Tusk, too,
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and I think I'm having PTSD from just watching this.
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But I needed a happy movie to watch after that, and I did
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another Kevin Smith movie, of course, and that was fanboys.
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Of course it was fanboys. I I'm part of that demographic.
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Needless to say that when this man came out with his podcast or
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what he does, what does he call it?
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Smodcast. Needless to say when this man
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came out with his Smodcast, I was on board.
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I would listen to it all the time.
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Anything this man has done or review ask you universe, I would
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watch or listen or some form another.
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I would end up binging on them just like I did with Comic Book
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Men. Yeah, that was that was that was
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a great show. I've met Smith and Jason Meuse
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interacted with them at a local comic book convention, but I
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didn't stay long enough to geek out or interact fully.
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Currently on the bucket list is to travel to Red Bank, NJ to to
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go to the Jay and Silent Bob Speakers Dash comic book store
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and either meet them or get to meet Walt Flanagan and Brian
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Steve Jabe Johnson. You know the other guys on Comic
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Book Men? The ones that's like lowball you
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on comic books that you want to sell for $500.00 but they end up
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paying you $35. They're fucking assholes.
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I love them. I just want to meet them.
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Because of that. I want to see what they come up
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with on mine. Last week, when I set up my
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podcaster, of course we talked with our hands.
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Kevin Smith is in that category. Kevin Smith does with his hands
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that I never would have guessed or imagined.
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So yes, I'm adding that to the list of goals I have for this
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podcast interview. One of my favorite directors?
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Actor, comic book creator, podcaster writer, Kevin Smith.
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Kevin Smith will one day be on my show
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Welcome back, my father's behavior Squad, to another
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amazing episode full of according to one person who
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never heard the show before and never met me, but, you know,
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full of cold vibes. So I'm conveniently getting my
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blanket and hiding in my closet. But coming to you straight from
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under the apron, it's safe to say that I'm awake and fresh
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from having a long nap earlier. If you were one of the people
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that woke up at 4:00 AM to watch a premium live event on the
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Peacock network, then more power to you.
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I kind of missed out on the whole hour of it.
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I know I did say I was going to wake up at 4:00.
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I tried taking a nap earlier, because that's what it was, a
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nap from one to four. I figured, I'm going to stay.
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I'm going to try to get up at 4:00 four AM and watch this
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freaking show, this premium live event.
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But it plans change, man. Plans definitely changed.
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I ended up sleeping till like 5 thirtyish.
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I missed three matches according to the Twitter folks, and I'm
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gonna go back and watch the entire show later.
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But I did end up watching the last two matches on the show as
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well as the segment. I ended up joining Alex Slaha's
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live stream on Twitter, although she was streaming all over
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YouTube, Twitch, and countless other sites, so it might have
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been her kick. Don't know.
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But I was sitting there watching, listening to her and
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watching. What's it called?
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It's the Elimination Chamber. See, I'm still tired.
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I I, I got some sleep. But, you know, hey, I even told
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her we're podcasters, of course, Of course.
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We're going to stay up at 4:00 AM to watch a premium live event
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for the content. And she was right.
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She was just like, yeah, that's true.
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It did happen. We did stay up till 4 from 4
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till like 7 AMI. Mean she did stay up from four
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to seven. AMI went from 5:00 to 7:00, but
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as soon as that was over with, I said let's go.
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I'm going back to sleep because there was no way I was going to
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try to do this podcast. I'm sleep on this episode
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though. We're moving right along with
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Glow on Netflix Season 2 Episode 5.
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For those that are new, there's a recap and review episode of TV
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series GLOW on Netflix, a show about the gorgeous ladies of
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wrestling that was set in the 80s.
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I will have bits of trivia here and there with the additional
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interviews from the creative directors or stars of the show
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throughout the years. All in all, makes for an awesome
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episode. If you haven't yet watched GLOW,
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I suggest you do so and follow along as I recap and tell you
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what I thought of the episode. And if you haven't yet, check
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out Episode 123 Episode 123. We're going to talk about the
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first season and pilot episode of GLOW if you want to go back
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and listen to it. Warning The following episode
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from Under the Aprons review of GLOW Season 2.
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Episode 5 contains explicit language and depicts content
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containing sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised
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had to tell you that Episode 5 is titled Perverts Are People
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Two directed by Clara Scanlon. She directs single camera
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comedies for both network and cable.
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She started her career editing documentaries for PBS and the
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Discovery Channel. After Supervising Post and
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producing Last Comic Standing, she joined The Office in his
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fifth season after directing The Office Clerk Transition over to
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directing Full Time in 2013. She has directed 10 episodes of
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Berkeley 99 two episodes of Saved By the Bell, Reba on
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Peacock, 4 episodes of the Current TV series Miracle
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Workers, and four episodes of GLOW, one of which was season
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one, Episode 3, The Wrath of Kantar.
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You'll remember that episode right?
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The Wrath of Anyway. It was written by Rachel Shukert
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who has written two other episodes of GLOW.
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Season one, episode 5 Debbie does Something, which was the
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episode where Carmen takes Melrose and Debbie to an indie
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wrestling show and Debbie ends up sleeping with a wrestler.
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And the other being season one episode 7 Live Studio Audience,
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which was the episode where Debbie and Ruth seek the help of
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Carmen family to learn how to wrestle properly.
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Synopsis, a request from the network puts the producers on
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edge. The wrestlers capitalize on
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their growing fan base and Ruth received a surprising
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invitation. Cult Intro opens up on what
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looks like after the next wrestling show.
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Sheila, the She Wolf, is outside looking at the fans with their
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signs, wanting for Liberty Bell or Welfare Queen to come out,
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even having slides for them. As she walks away, a man dressed
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as Sheila stops in front of her to tell her she's his favorite
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wrestler. Sheila says she can see that and
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start walking away, but the man follows her to her car and asks
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invasive personal questions like if Sheila is her real name,
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idols her real teeth, and does she have a boyfriend?
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Sheila ignores him as she makes her way to the car, but he yells
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at her that he drove all the way there from Bakersfield to meet
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her, at least give him a hug. She gets in her Jeep and he
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yells if he can smell her neck. She's disgusted and drives away.
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Ruth comes out here Zoya gear and everyone boos at her.
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Ruth laughs and yells at her public.
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Somebody asked when her and livery bell going to fight
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again. She stands to on smirks while
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the theme music changes to dramatic fanfare and the GLOW
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logo appears on the screen. OK, a lot of things happening
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here. I understand why they did the
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whole this part of the episode the way it is, because you'll
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find out later people do stay outside the arena waiting for
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wrestlers to come out. But there is security these
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days. So that's something like the
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Sheila scene doesn't happen. It does happen, but there's
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security now. And then we have some of these
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people that go to airports and they just go to to the airport
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to ask for autographs for these wrestlers when they show up.
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Like they they they're invasive they they ask crazy personal
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questions. They don't care.
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They even on Twitter, it's it's bad on Twitter.
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But the fact that these people think that they have the right
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to ask them to ask these wrestlers that even as to say,
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can I smell your neck? That is, that's so creepy.
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Like, oh man, the man Kyle's playing that Sheila's played by
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actor and producer Whitmer Thomas.
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He is credited as Justin, although you don't hear the name
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at all. Throughout the entire episode or
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towards the end, Whitmer has been on shows such as Stone
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Quackers, The Walking Dead, and GLOW.
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And it is not only creepy when a fan follows you to the car, but
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also, you know, don't ask questions and creepy.
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The next day, Sam, Bash and Debbie are waiting outside of
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Clint Next office where Sam seems offended they didn't offer
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him any water. Behind him are three posters for
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TV shows or movies. Sam is sitting in front of one
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with a mouse that looks like Tom and Jerry.
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Debbie is sitting in front of a chef and Bash is sitting in
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front of one that looks like a Teen Beach show or movie.
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Sam thinks that because they didn't offer them any water, it
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must be bad news. Debbie says they never get bad
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news at a meeting. Bad news is a phone call.
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Sam says. No fucking water, no fucking
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respect. Bash tells them that there is a
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water fountain by the men's bathroom.
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Click Nick comes out to greet them and tell them thanks for
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coming out on short notice. But the bad news is that Patio
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Town has withdrawn their sponsorship from the show due to
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the launch of Raking during Liberty Valley and Welfare
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Queens match. Debbie says it was unplanned and
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they had no idea it was going to break like that.
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Clinic also tell them that Old Town also had an issue with the
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PSA. Patrick O'town had a teenage
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mother when he was born, although he is not an advocate
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for teenage pregnancy. Sam says they'll get another
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sponsor, but Clinic continues to tell him the bad news, that the
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ratings are soft. Sam yells that Klitnick said
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they are loved. Debbie asked why they are
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hearing about now, Bash says they have fans.
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Their girls get letters from their fans every day.
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Weirdos are waiting outside from them, outside the stage door.
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Their audience is out there still.
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Klitnick tells them the good news that Tom Grant, the head of
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the network are starting to get interested in the show, thinks
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it has real potential, especially with the new
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kidnapping storyline that Zoya and Larry Bell kicked off.
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Mr. Grant wants to meet with the three of them in a few days and
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see what they have in mind going forward and what makes sense.
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Sampler thought that he just wants to to sell him the season
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they're already making. Glenn says They are going to
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love Tom. He's one of them.
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Here's their chance to impress him by turning him into a fan.
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Glenn leaves back to his office and Sam asked if he can have a
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bottle of water. Glenn tells him that there's a
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water fountain by the men's bathroom.
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Glenn leaves and all three producers are looking at each
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other with Sam eyeing MSAP wanted to say see, I told you
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so. No respect.
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Next scene, all the girls are hanging out by the hotel pool.
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Don passes everyone a box of fan letters telling Tammy she's
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popular or Rhonda, she's the second popular.
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Rhonda opens her letter and reads it, saying it's from San
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Diego. The letters reads that she may
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be the smartest woman in the world, but almost the most
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beautiful. He writes that he wishes he had
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gone to middle school so that she could hear her, so she could
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have her say Ah. With this, she opens the letter
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again and looks at the pullover that he sent her and is a
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picture of his dingo dango. It's an 80s Dick pic for
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goodness sake, with the words Mom tatted on his left eye,
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which Melrose makes fun of. Everybody laughs.
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Rhonda continues reading the letter.
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He asked if she ever read anything by Immanuel Kant.
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He is his favorite, which was the philosopher of
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enlightenment. He was the doctrine of his
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transcendental idealism, which emphasizes the distinction
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between what we can't experience, the natural
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observable world, and what we cannot spare, sensible objects
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such as God and the soul. Kant argued that we can only
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have knowledge of things we can experience.
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Melrose coughs and calls them an intellectual sexual predator.
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She doesn't, says Rhonda, is so lucky.
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All she gets are letters from little girls who like their hair
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glitter. Cherry, who just came back and
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is soaking up the sun and reading a magazine, clears her
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throat. Mel D Rose apologized for
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disturbing Cherry. She thought she was dead.
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Tough crowd. Tammy says it's the most fan
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mail she's ever gotten, and all she had to do was completely
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degrade herself in public. Melrose does.
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Melrose stands up from her chair with an idea to capitalize on
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this moment, to earn some extra cash.
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She says they're all to merch and they're going to set up
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tables after the show to have a meet and greet with the fans. 10
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bucks for an autograph, 24 photo.
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Jenny says some of these guys sound like major Perv.
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While reading her letter, Ruth seconds his idea, not because of
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the money, but because they aren't.
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These aren't just their fans, she says.
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They own their gratitude and respect.
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Rhonda says perverse are people too.
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Ruth asked Bash if they can set up an autograph table after the
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show. He says yes, of course.
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Fan outreach. Everyone's excited.
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Bash asked Carmen for the key to her room.
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Carmen sits there on the table. Melrose, Rhonda, and the other
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girls look at Carmen, asking if they're sleeping together.
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She says no, he's just sleeping in the room, which Rhonda gets
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upset about. Carmen says he sleeps in her
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Next scene, Carmen goes to her room and opens the door while
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Bash runs towards the bathroom with a Speedo on.
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Grab a towel and cover himself. Carmen tells Bash Rhonda's of
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getting upset. Bash tells her that things are
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hard right now. The network is breeding down
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their necks. They just lost a sponsor.
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He tells her it's going to be fine, Not to worry.
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He tells her he doesn't want to be at home right now.
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It's too lonely and flops on the bed with the towel ripped across
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his chest. Carmen asked about Florian.
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Bash says he wrote him a check that bounced.
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He told him it was good for it as soon as Birdie, his mom,
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releases his Bimonly allowance in five weeks.
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Carmen is confused that the Bimonly means every two weeks,
29:19
right? Bash sits up and confesses that
29:23
they got into this big fight. Floren got really mad and he
29:26
stormed out and yelled at Bash, telling him that he was
29:28
completely solid, solid, solid, Jesus Christ, really solidistic,
29:36
basically. Extremely selfish or
29:37
self-centered, Bash explains that it's completely insane
29:42
because he hates being alone. OK, Carmen says he needs to talk
29:48
to him. Bash says he doesn't know where
29:50
he is. He kept calling the house.
29:52
Nobody answers. Carmen asked if he has any other
29:55
friends or somewhere he might be staying at.
29:57
Bash says he has this one friend who tends to borrow at this
30:00
place in Hollywood and goes there, and on his night off,
30:05
Carmen suggests to go and see if they can find him at this
30:08
Hollywood bar. Next scene, Sam, Debbie, and
30:14
Bash have produced this meeting with Sam tells them to pretend
30:19
he was a guilty head of a network in Anaheim.
30:21
Who sinks? The sun rises and sets in his
30:23
own asshole. What are Bash and Debbie going
30:25
to pitch him to make him feel like less of a bougie douchebag?
30:31
Bash suggests to give Ruth in since it was her idea to run
30:34
with a kidnapping story. Debbie says it's a classic soap
30:39
plot and she got this. She gets up from the couch and
30:42
runs an idea in the kidnapping story.
30:45
The next step is for the grieving mother to make a public
30:48
plea for her child's safe return.
30:50
And then they cut the remote cabin.
30:51
The Montana wilderness where we see a hermit realizes this is
30:56
his long lost wife and child who he forgot about because he was
31:00
in a fire, suffered amnesia. Bash gets confused and looks
31:04
over at Sam. Cut to outside the office in the
31:07
middle of the ring. Ruth is laying on the rope,
31:09
looking up at the office and standing at Debbie, who faintly
31:11
says that her son, who she gave birth to after her going away,
31:15
falls in love with her long lost daughter back in the office.
31:20
Debbie's trying to tell the story.
31:22
Uh oh, she has to stop their wedding.
31:23
She's already pregnant with their incest baby.
31:27
Sam stops her. It's like, what are you doing?
31:30
It says the wrestling show and not guiding light.
31:34
Debbie call Sam dismissive. Sam asked if that's really what
31:37
she wants to go with. That's the longest he's ever let
31:41
a woman who he's not sleeping with talk uninterrupted.
31:44
You're welcome. It's an honor.
31:46
But that's not the show. Best as they could do a looser
31:50
leaf town match or a handicap 3 against one.
31:53
That's a classic or a wedding. People love it in the ring
31:56
wedding. Sam claims they're all girls who
32:00
they're going to marry each other.
32:02
Bass says that's a good point. Well, in September 2002, the
32:08
team of Chuck Palumbo and Billy Gunn wrestlers did the same sex
32:12
marriage segment on the Little Manera.
32:15
Chuck proposed life partnership to Billy and Billy accepted.
32:19
Their ceremony was aired on the September 12th episode of
32:21
Smackdown. During commitment ceremony, Gunn
32:24
and Palumbo revealed that the ceremony was merely A publicity
32:27
stunt that had gone too far and they admitted they were strictly
32:31
hetero. Herrick Bischoff, who had
32:34
disguised himself priests, officiating the winning and
32:37
three minute warning from Rod then LED an attack on Stephanie
32:40
McMahon, the General manager of Smackdown who was also present
32:44
at the ceremony. Following this incident, Rico,
32:48
the manager of Gun and Palumbo, defected to Rod and managed 3
32:55
minute warning. Billy and Chuck remained a team
32:58
turning face and dropping all facets of their gay sweetheart
33:02
gimmick, The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.
33:06
Glad, which I consulted with the youngest storyline and helped
33:10
the Angle secure mainstream media coverage denounced Dirty
33:13
for securing Glad's assistance under false pretenses.
33:18
The Dirty lied to us two months ago when they promised that
33:21
Billy and Chuck would come out and went on their air.
33:24
The gimmick would be in sharp contrast to den current Dirty
33:27
performer Darren Young legitimately coming out over a
33:30
decade later to TMC, which was received with open arms and also
33:34
LED to other LGBT wrestlers and mainstream wrestling including
33:38
Sonia Deville, Anthony Bowens, Nyla Rose, Sonny Kiss, Kyra
33:41
Hogan and Mercedes Martinez to name a few.
33:46
April 18th, 2022 WE almost went there again and the segment
33:51
still talked about to this day. The segment in question featured
33:54
the storyline wedding of onscreen WE couples Akira Tozawa
33:57
and Tamina and Reggie and Dana Brooke, a culmination of a plot
34:02
focused around the WE 24/7 championship, with our truth
34:06
serving as the efficient. The couples played a game of
34:08
musical chairs, so to speak, switching partners multiple
34:12
times after being asked if anyone objected.
34:17
One of those switches saw the four paired up in same sex
34:19
couples. While the Zaban and Reggie had
34:22
varying reactions to their pairing, Tamina and Brooke
34:25
shared a smile and held hands at the crowd, and ring wedding
34:28
parties cheered. Among those cheering were out of
34:32
LGBTQ pro wrestlers Kayla Sparks and Eden von Engelen, both of
34:37
whom were in the ring as extras portraying members of the
34:39
wedding party. That moment is when R Truth led
34:42
the PG meme line loose, adding Y'all are going to get me fired.
34:48
The desk lair delivered by Tamina following the line sums
34:51
up the collective reaction. Next scene, Sheila walks into
34:56
her room, eating from a bag of Dunkin' Donuts, where Ruth is
35:00
trying out different versions of her autograph.
35:03
She tells Sheila she thought about using the Cyrillic
35:07
alphabet, but then thought that would be pretentious.
35:11
She just wants something to stand and think.
35:13
They seem to have a forgotten all about her, Ruth tells
35:18
Sheila, the producer having some big network meeting for the rest
35:20
of the season. I didn't even talk to her about
35:23
how to play through the baby's thing.
35:25
Sheila continues to stare at much louder.
35:28
Ruth asked why she's being hostile.
35:30
Sheila says she's not being hostile.
35:32
She doesn't want to sell her pictures to a bunch of
35:34
strangers. Ruth tells her she's on a TV
35:37
show. There's an audience.
35:38
This is part of the job. Sheila opens her trunk and
35:43
reveals the letters. She gets that they all have a
35:45
million questions. Where are you from?
35:47
Do you have brothers and sisters?
35:49
Is that your real name? What did you do before Glow?
35:53
Ruth says they want to know more about her.
35:55
Sheila tells Ruth there's a man that dresses up like her.
35:58
It's demeaning. Ruth tells her he likes her.
36:02
They all like her. She has fans.
36:04
What did she think would happen? Sheila says she doesn't like
36:07
people staring at her. Ruth tells Sheila that after
36:10
five years of walking around Los Angeles and for her course
36:13
corset, she thinks she would be used to adapt.
36:17
The phone rings. Ruth gets up from their chair
36:19
and answers. After a minute of talking, she
36:21
hangs up and Ruth explains to Sheila.
36:23
That was the secretary for Tom Grant, the head of the network
36:26
who's a big fan of Zoya and wants to meet the next night for
36:29
dinner to talk about her future. On the show, Sheila tells Ruth
36:32
she's really happy for her. We will get back to this moment
36:36
after the show. After doing some deep diving
36:40
next scene, Carmen ran to take Bash to the bar that Florian's
36:45
supposed to be at Bronski Beat by Small Town Boys playing while
36:50
half naked men are dancing around.
36:52
Carmen reads the name of the bar as shenanigans, thinking that
36:55
must be an Irish bar like Bennigan's.
37:00
Oh honey. They all look at the name of the
37:02
bar, 1/2 naked men dancing in a cage in one corner, and a lot of
37:05
other men walking around with drinks.
37:08
Bash realizes this is a gay bar. Rhonda says she loves the song
37:11
playing. Ask Carmen to dance with her.
37:13
Bash looks confused as he looks around the room.
37:17
He goes to the bar asking for Eric.
37:18
One of the bartender calls for Eeyore and tells him he's being
37:21
paged by Malibu. Ken Eeyore, who looks like he
37:26
has a curly wig, is played by Christina KOA and is known for
37:29
Guy Ritchie's Covenant, Halo, Silo Dynasty, The Rookie, Will
37:33
and Grace, Lethal Weapon, Bounty Hunter's Pitch Her Story show.
37:38
He's also done voice work as Ben Alvarez on the Far Cry 6 video
37:42
game and the Far Cry Rise of the Revolution podcast, as well as
37:45
delete the Lit podcast. Eor asks Bash what he can do for
37:51
him. Bash says he's looking for a
37:52
friend of his, Florian. Eor says he must be Bash.
37:56
Florian talks about him all the time.
37:59
Bash asks that he's his Butler. Eor has that.
38:02
Yeah, I don't believe you. Look and tells Bash.
38:05
He hasn't been at the bar in a few weeks, but he did leave his
38:09
tab open. Bash pulls out his wallet to pay
38:13
for the tab, but Eor says he's just kidding as he puts his hand
38:16
on top of Bash's wrist. Eor offers him a drink instead,
38:20
and Bash says he's actually not thirsty now or ever.
38:24
As he walks away to meet up with Carmen and Rhonda, who are
38:27
dancing on the dance floor with the other men, Bash tells Carmen
38:31
that Florian's not there and suggests they should leave.
38:34
Carmen asks to stay as there will be a pink Flamingo look
38:37
alike contest and she wants to see everyone dressed as a
38:45
Flamingo. OK, Baz says he's going, he's
38:50
leaving, so he gives Carmen some money for our cab ride home
38:53
before he leaves. Carmen assures Baz they will
38:55
find Florida and it will be OK. So honestly, the camera makes it
39:02
look like he's confused Bash and he's not liking being there.
39:08
You could take it as he's naive about it, or you could take it
39:10
as a he knows it's a gay bar, he knows Florian is gay, he's null
39:15
about it, and he's looking around the bar to see if he
39:18
recognizes anyone. But he doesn't.
39:21
He doesn't. He also doesn't like getting hit
39:23
on by anyone except for Florian. Obviously.
39:26
Florian, who has who? He and him have a special
39:29
relationship. It's why he didn't tell Florian
39:31
to stop brushing his shoulder when he had the yellow jacket
39:34
during last season. Also, Carmen Really?
39:43
Pink Flamingo. You don't know what the pink
39:47
Flamingo is in 1972. That's a 1972 American black
39:51
comedy film by John Waters. It is part of what Waters
39:54
labeled the Trash Trilogy, which also includes Female Trouble in
39:58
1974 and Desperate Living in 1977.
40:02
The film stars the countercultural drag queen
40:05
Divine as a criminal living under the name of Bab Johnson,
40:09
who was proud to be the filthiest person alive.
40:13
They are having a Divine Look Alike contest and not Rio
40:18
Flamingos. Oh my God.
40:19
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43:04
Next scene The reason why I put up that warning label.
43:09
At the start of the show, Ruth goes to meet with Tom Grant, the
43:13
head of the network, where she thinks they have dinner
43:16
reservations. But instead the major do tell
43:22
tells her he's in a bungalow too.
43:23
Did I get that right? Maitro, do tell.
43:27
Don't tell. Maitro.
43:29
Maitro. I'm not going to stand.
43:31
Matter. Matter, do tell.
43:34
Maitro. Maitre.
43:36
Oh my God. The waiter.
43:38
The host, What is he? He's.
43:45
He tells her. She's He tells her he's in
43:47
bungalow too. Hi, Ruth explains.
43:50
She came to have dinner with Mr. Grant, but the host explains to
43:54
her that Mister Grant always takes his dinner meetings in his
43:56
room and gives her directions on where to go.
44:00
Mayor D Mayor D Ruth walks over there, looking at the beautiful
44:09
landscape. She arrives and reluctantly
44:11
knocks on the door. Glenn Klitnik opens the door and
44:16
she's happy to see him there. She walks into the room and
44:19
Glenn into the route to Tom. She's respectful as she shakes
44:23
his hand and calls him Mr. Grant.
44:25
He begs her to please call him Tom.
44:26
He apologizes for the confusion, but he just flew in from New
44:29
York and he's too beat to face the restaurant, so he wanted to
44:33
have dinner there. She smiles and asks if she likes
44:37
white Zinfandel wine. The next scene, Keith and Cherry
44:43
are in their room. He is kissing up on his wife,
44:47
happy she's back. He asks if they're going to do
44:49
anything. She tells him that after this
44:51
long, he should be grateful she's still looking at him.
44:54
He tells her that if he got excited when his woman was not
44:57
in the mood, what kind of man would he be?
45:00
He asked. What's wrong?
45:02
She says she is trying to figure out what she's doing with her
45:04
life, living in the hotel, waiting to see what Sam is going
45:07
to do with her while Laverne and Shirley are cracking jokes about
45:10
her hair. I'm saying it's Don and Stacy
45:16
being Lavert and Shirley, right? OK.
45:21
Keith sits up on the bed and tells her he's calling in for
45:24
reinforcement. He picks up the phone if they
45:26
call someone, telling them he's feeling a little lonely tonight
45:30
and wondering if they could send over some black magic.
45:34
He hangs up the phone. Cherry in a Caribbean accent,
45:36
says black magic might come out tonight for just one night only,
45:40
and they start messing around again.
45:43
She dances on top for him. She dances for him on top of the
45:46
bed. I for sure thought black magic
45:51
was code word for a sandwich. A sandwich?
45:55
Yes, a sandwich. How I Met Your Mother Reference
45:59
right there. But back at the meeting between
46:01
Ruth and Tom, they're talking and drinking wine.
46:04
Still. Tom asked how someone so
46:07
talented as her could go so long without work.
46:09
Who's her agent? Ruth tells her she don't have
46:13
one, and he already knows this. Because what agent in her right
46:15
mind would let her anywhere near that contract they all signed?
46:19
Tom and Glenn laugh. Glenn reminds Tom he told them
46:22
she's a pistol. Ruth imitates gunfire and Tom
46:26
holds on to his chest. That reminds me of a Marilyn
46:30
Monroe movie for some reason. Like, Oh yeah, OK, back to this.
46:40
Tom stares over at Glenn Clinic, who says maybe he should order
46:44
dinner. He gets up from the couch and
46:47
walks out of the room to grab a couple of menus for them from
46:50
the restaurant and says he'll be right back.
46:53
Ruth watches uncomfortably as Glenn leaves and Tom says she's
46:56
doing Chekhov and seeing class one day, and the next day she's
46:59
on a women's wrestling show on the local network.
47:02
Ruth tells him he is the best. Ruth tells him this is the best
47:06
job she's ever had, and they got some really exciting stuff
47:09
coming up that Sam, Debbie and Bash are working really hard
47:12
for. Tom interrupts her and says
47:16
officially he wants to hear all about that, but he just can't
47:19
imagine that this is quite what she had in mind for herself.
47:22
Ruth says nothing in their life is what she had in mind for
47:25
herself. She's been acting pretty much
47:27
her whole life, and it's always another audition, another
47:30
meeting, another year, waiting for someone to give her
47:32
permission to do the thing she wants to do.
47:35
But she's finally getting to do something, but she's finally
47:39
getting to do something, and it feels different.
47:41
She feels different, strong and in control.
47:45
Tom says he could use some of that.
47:47
As he moves closer to the couch and wants her to show him a
47:50
wrestling move or two, She reluctantly tells him it doesn't
47:54
really work. If both people aren't properly
47:58
trained. He says he works out every
48:00
morning. He grabs her hand and places it
48:03
on his ABS. Ruth is uncomfortably icky as he
48:06
tells her no flap on his body. Tom asks if she can place him in
48:11
the headlock. Ruth laughs awkwardly.
48:14
They get up and she places him in the headlock and calls him a
48:17
stupid American in her Zoya accent.
48:20
As she sings it in, he tries to motorboat her chest.
48:23
She realizes what he's done and is uncomfortable.
48:26
He grabs her hand and gets right behind her, whispering in her
48:29
ear and sniffing her neck while growling.
48:33
He pushes her and tells her she's too fast for him.
48:36
Ruth suggests he must be tired and she should go.
48:39
He asked what kind of guy would he be if he let her go back to
48:41
the Roach motel without a hot meal and a good bath.
48:43
He says he's going to check on the Jacuzzi jets in the tub to
48:47
see if they work as advertised. Ruth asks about Glenn.
48:51
Tom says not to worry about Glenn, He's not coming back and
48:55
laugh as he walks away. She hears the water running.
48:59
She grabs her purse and runs out the door.
49:02
She has a long walk from the bungalow to the restaurant and
49:04
you can see it in her face. She's upset and in tears,
49:07
leaving deep dive on this moment right here.
49:11
This episode came out in 2018, at the height of the Me Too
49:14
movement. Earlier in her, old in earlier
49:17
in her Oh my God. Earlier in the hotel room, Ruth
49:22
was talking to Tom's secretary, and there was a slight reference
49:25
to that as she said the words me too before she hung up the
49:29
phone. Many have said they knew where
49:32
this was going as soon as she said those words.
49:35
Jackie Strauss of The Hollywood Reporter wrote about this back
49:38
in June 2018. She interviewed creators Liv
49:41
Flaheev and Carlene Mash, who was always planned to highlight
49:45
the harassment women's 1980s Hollywood face.
49:49
The pairs say they were emboldened to take the
49:51
storylines further post Weinstein.
49:56
It felt important for us, for Ruth, who felt a little bit
49:59
naive of how the industry worked, to have a reality check,
50:02
Mesh tells The Hollywood Reporter about the rift from the
50:05
headline moment in the 5th episode.
50:08
Much like the actual set of Globe, the show within the show
50:10
set is also female, dominated in a much safer space than many
50:14
others at the time. In a meta way are set.
50:18
There is somewhat of an environment bubble where the
50:21
women are in charge of their own narratives.
50:25
Root can't even give input with the director, Sam Sylvia, played
50:28
by Mike Maron. Putting her in that situation
50:31
felt authentic flahive. As to THR we've had prior, we
50:38
had talked prior to the Harvey Weinstein news breaking about
50:42
wanting to do something about sexual harassment.
50:45
I'm going to call it SA because we have the girls in an
50:49
environment now where they were part of the network.
50:53
The network was run by men, and there was a new power dynamic we
50:56
could introduce if we wanted to. We were definitely emboldened to
51:00
go further with our story once the Weinstein news broke, but
51:04
showing that size was always in the foundation for us, given
51:07
that the story we were telling our factors was in 1985.
51:12
Back to the show Bash is outside of his mother's house.
51:16
Gary, the Butler, opens the door and meets Bash, who asks about
51:20
his mom. He says he just left the Squaw
51:22
Valley with her very rich, very old boyfriend Gil.
51:26
Bash asked if he's dating. Gary ignores the question and
51:30
asked if Bash if he would like to come in.
51:32
He does. They go to the kitchen and they
51:34
eat some type of spicy alphabet soup dish.
51:38
Bash asked how long has he worked for the family.
51:40
He says 18 years. In December, Gary asked if he's
51:44
OK. Bash says he's having problems
51:46
with his Butler. It's a small cash flow issue.
51:49
He just doesn't have the money to pay for Florian.
51:51
His check bounced. It wasn't the first time he got
51:53
mad and took off. He just needs to make good for
51:56
him, maybe give him a few months in advance so that he'll come
51:59
home, Gary says. Florian stopped by a few days
52:03
ago, saying he was taking some time off.
52:05
He asked Birdie for money for some travel expenses.
52:09
Gary sent him to Birdie study and he left with a check.
52:13
Bash says wow as he continues to play with Soup with the Spoon.
52:17
Gary asked if Bash wants him to help.
52:18
He would be happy to help him with his bookkeeping, Bash says.
52:24
Bash asked Gary if he thinks Birdie would sponsor his
52:27
wrestling show. Gary says he will talk to her
52:32
next scene. Bash goes to his old room with a
52:35
folded town in his hand. He places on the dresser and
52:38
turns the light on the camera pants over to his closet, which
52:41
is filled with posters of wrestling events.
52:43
He walks over there and the door flipped over to reveal mirror
52:46
with pictures, all of all his favorite wrestlers.
52:49
Top left corner he has a picture of Bruno Sammartino winning the
52:53
WF World Championship. Right next to that is Rocky
52:55
Johnson, stretching one of his opponents right above that
52:58
picture of superstar Billy Graham posing with his WF
53:01
Championship. Right next to that is a drawing
53:04
of Gorgeous George, which we saw in season one.
53:06
How much of a fan bash was of him?
53:09
In the middle of Rocky Johnson in the Gorgeous George picture
53:12
is Ivan Koloff wrestling Bob Backlund.
53:15
He also has tickets of events pinned on that wall.
53:18
He looks at himself in the mirror and pretends to do what
53:20
every little boy has done in front of the mirror their entire
53:23
life and poses just like the wrestlers.
53:27
He falls and sleeps up and poses just like superstar Billy
53:29
Graham. He looks around the mirror at
53:32
all the wrestlers and giggles just like I would like.
53:36
He takes out a box from underneath his bed, looks at it.
53:40
There's a bunch of old newspaper clippings, more wrestling
53:43
events, and autographed picture of himself and Florian when they
53:46
were kids, posing with what looks like Ivan Koloff and
53:49
writes to Sebastian and Flora. Stay honest, your friend the
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Next scene, The next day in Sam's office, he's setting up
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the storyboard for the meeting Devi's helping him set up.
55:37
Sam tells Devi that these network guys, no detail.
55:41
Too small, no questions, Too stupid.
55:44
Debbie's nervous, trying to rip the edges off the storyline that
55:47
she printed overnight. Sam tells Debbie maybe she
55:50
should smoke. It works for him.
55:52
Sam calms her down, saying they're ready.
55:54
It's going to be OK Bash finally shows up and he tells him the
55:59
good news that Bertie might be coming on board as a sponsor,
56:02
might be being the keyword here. He tells him that Gary says that
56:06
she's very much but not much. Not uninterested, Sam stares in
56:13
confusion. Debbie's still working at the
56:15
edges. Bash suggests they should take
56:18
his car because it's the most impressive.
56:20
The phone rings. Bash answers.
56:22
It ends the network. Bash tells them they're just on
56:26
their way out the door, but he has a troubled look on his face
56:32
after that. Debbie is waiting, sitting on
56:34
the Bleacher, smoking a cigarette.
56:36
Disappointed, Ruth comes in, feeling depressed.
56:40
Debbie asks what Ruth is doing there so early.
56:43
Ruth answers that she likes to have some time alone in the
56:45
space before everyone gets there.
56:47
She asks if she's supposed to be at this big Network meeting.
56:52
Debbie says they have a big network phone call instead,
56:55
moving the show to a new time slot at 2:00 AM, Ruth says, but
56:59
they're a kids show. Kids don't watch TV at 2:00 AM
57:03
Debbie says. Nobody watches TV at 2:00 AM
57:05
That's the point they're brewing them.
57:08
They're going to be canceled. Ruth says this might have
57:11
something to do with her. Debbie tells her their shelter
57:16
and get shit canned because they wouldn't hear her stupid ideas.
57:19
And this is about her rushing over the fate of her family's
57:22
cherry orchard. Apparently the only people
57:24
watching them are standing on the parking lot right now.
57:31
Yeah, can't say that out here. Apparently the only people
57:36
watching them are standing in the parking lot right now,
57:39
licking free stuff into Sheila's costume.
57:45
Ruth bloots out. Ruth blurts out that she had a
57:47
meeting with Tom Grant the night before they were in the hotel
57:51
room. It was dinner, but then it
57:52
wasn't dinner and Glenn was there, but he left.
57:55
Tom said he wanted to talk about her career, which they did, but
57:58
he also wanted to wrestle, literally and figuratively.
58:03
Debi understands what that means, that she's about to cry
58:05
and feel sorry for her. She asked what did she do?
58:11
Ruth says she left. He went to the bathroom and she
58:13
made a run for it. Debi says she can't believe
58:17
this. Ruth says it was terrible.
58:20
Debi asked. How can Ruth be so stupid?
58:23
The head of the network comes on to Ruth and she runs away.
58:27
Ruth asked if she was supposed to have stuff with him.
58:35
Debbie says no. She's supposed to make him think
58:37
that you might have sex with him, or that she desperately
58:40
wants to, but only if only she wasn't on her period or had a
58:44
fiance, or have an extra set of teeth where her vagina should
58:47
be. Teeth the movie reference.
58:51
Love that, even though it's 1985.
58:57
Teeth the movie came in and came out in the year.
59:00
Now. I love it, though in a horrible
59:06
way. Teeth is being referenced to in
59:09
1985. All right, whatever.
59:12
It's just me, Ruth Yell. She's not that kind of person.
59:14
Debbie asked. What an actress that is just how
59:18
this business works. Men try stuff and you have to
59:20
pretend to like it until she don't have to anymore.
59:23
Ruth the claims that she shouldn't be that way.
59:26
Debbie says no, it shouldn't. And women should get to direct
59:29
and not be washed up by the time they're 30.
59:31
And she should have gotten to eat a piece of her own wedding
59:33
cake without worrying about her. How many minutes of Jane Fonda
59:35
videos it was going to take to work it off.
59:37
But that's the way it is. She points at Ruth, saying she
59:41
doesn't make it better by flouncing some Victorian
59:43
schoolmarm. Every time since Lee's ball puts
59:45
his hands on her knee, she's taking 20 people down with her,
59:50
Ruth yell. So you just let them do whatever
59:52
they want with you? You're not exactly a guiding
59:54
feminist principle. Debbie says.
59:56
Life has compromises. Congratulations Glorious Dynam.
1:00:00
The one time Ruth keeps their legs shut and they all get
1:00:02
screwed. Debbie walks away from Ruth, who
1:00:05
is sad. Final scene at the meet and
1:00:09
greet where everybody is supposed to be signing
1:00:11
autographs. Rhonda seen hitting a big book
1:00:14
on a guy's butt and tells him he has detention.
1:00:17
Tammy signs a stuffed animal. The Ozone Sister signs some
1:00:20
autographs. Machu Picchu is holding a kid in
1:00:23
the headlock. Ruth comes in and fools away out
1:00:26
of costume and watches everybody having fun.
1:00:29
Sheila sits next to Jenny and place their pictures on the
1:00:31
table. The first person there is the
1:00:33
guy that's dressed as Sheila, Justin.
1:00:36
She signs her autograph and he tells her she's his favorite.
1:00:39
One more shot of Ruth staring at all the girls having fun and
1:00:41
quite possibly having the unfortunate task of telling them
1:00:45
that they might be canceled because she didn't sleep with
1:00:48
the head of the network. I know what boys like, but the
1:00:51
waitresses? The song that plays as the
1:00:53
credits roll out for Flahib and managed to power the harassment
1:00:59
episode with the honest conversation between their two
1:01:02
starring characters, which lasted nearly 5 minutes.
1:01:06
Back to The Hollywood Reporter article, Jackie Strauss writes.
1:01:09
What was most complicated and interesting for us was that
1:01:11
conversation between Ruth and Devi, says Flahib of the scene,
1:01:15
which was written directed by women Rico Schulkert and Clara
1:01:19
Scalin, respectively. The event felt like the event of
1:01:23
and the conversation felt like this thing to grapple with.
1:01:26
The conversation between these two women were who were both in
1:01:30
the industry, who both had different perspective
1:01:32
experiences, who both had a different experience with
1:01:34
success or lack thereof. That was the meat of it for us
1:01:41
men's ad, and we wanted Debbie to land punches.
1:01:43
We didn't want her to be kind of a straw man and for Ruth to be
1:01:47
right and for Debbie to be wrong.
1:01:48
It felt important for to us to hear the full conversation about
1:01:52
how people think about these type of events.
1:01:55
When Gilpin Debbie first read the script, she said she
1:01:59
immediately balked at having to be on that side of the argument.
1:02:04
At first I had a visceral, negative reaction.
1:02:06
I was so disappointed at her. I thought, oh God, we're making
1:02:09
her evil and I was really angry with Debbie, Gilpin tells THR.
1:02:14
But then I realized that her reaction isn't about Ruth at
1:02:17
all. She's thinking only about her
1:02:18
own experience and feeling shame and regret and vulnerability.
1:02:23
In Gilpin's mind, Debbie would have reacted very differently,
1:02:26
as she had been the one, the bungalow instead of Ruth.
1:02:30
Debbie wouldn't have walked out, she imagines of her character.
1:02:33
I don't know that she would have had screwed with the guy, but
1:02:37
she would have teased him into thinking there's a world in
1:02:39
which it could have happened so that she didn't upset the boss.
1:02:44
What the conversation between Debbie and Ruth shows to her is
1:02:48
how women didn't support each other and in the way they do
1:02:51
now. Of course, the main problem is
1:02:53
men having us, men behaving as predators.
1:02:56
But something that is unique to our time now is women becoming
1:02:59
more vocal and supportive when they speak out.
1:03:02
Whereas in 1985 that wasn't the case.
1:03:06
Much discussion sensitivity went into getting the harassment
1:03:09
scene right, given the layers of complicity the show was
1:03:12
extending to portray. To hear Bree tell it, Ruth
1:03:16
wasn't trying to be a hero in the moment.
1:03:20
Ruth's not a hero for leaving. I feel like she leaves because
1:03:22
she's afraid and doesn't know what to do, Bree tells THR.
1:03:26
What we're showing is the slippery slope of how easily a
1:03:28
woman can find herself in that position.
1:03:30
Someone who's smart, strong, and level headed can find themselves
1:03:33
at the mercy of a really devious person.
1:03:36
That precarious position is why Ruth didn't necessarily expect
1:03:40
to be applauded by Debbie. But she expects A sympathy and
1:03:43
doesn't get any of that, says Bree.
1:03:47
But you've seen the scene as one actor's resentment toward
1:03:49
another actress not following the rules that she had been made
1:03:52
to feel like she had to follow her whole career, Bree explains.
1:03:56
And in that way, Ruth is really naive when it comes to the
1:03:58
entertainment industry. Having had zero success as an
1:04:01
actress, she really hasn't found herself in difficult positions
1:04:05
very much of the time. So you're also seeing the
1:04:07
learning curve of someone gaining even menial success for
1:04:12
the first time being confronted with that kind of behavior.
1:04:16
Both Ruth and Do both Ruth and Debbie fight for a seat at table
1:04:20
this season, with Ruth pushing to direct and Debbie fighting
1:04:24
for equal pay and her producer role.
1:04:27
But similar to that very differing point of view on how
1:04:31
to personally deal with predatory players in Hollywood,
1:04:34
their quest for power are also staggering.
1:04:39
They're fighting for very different things, explains
1:04:41
Mensch. Debbie feels empowered that with
1:04:43
both her career and her status on how much the show needs her
1:04:47
to ask for a seat at the table, Ruth is trying to find some type
1:04:51
of creative outlet for herself. She's directing because someone
1:04:54
needed to step up and because she loves the show.
1:04:57
She's not fighting for a seat at the table as much as if you
1:05:00
block her one place, she'll try another place to try to put her
1:05:03
creative energies, and there's those differing personality
1:05:07
traits that line the rest of the twosome second season pass.
1:05:11
Root has a lot of opinions and she's only just daring to learn
1:05:14
how to share them, whereas Debbie is more along the lines
1:05:17
of believing she deserves a spot, and that's going to do it
1:05:22
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