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Thot Slop is the new Shakespeare! | Maintaining Frame 132 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame number one thirty two. That thought slop is the
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  Speaker 1: new Shakespeare, we got a or girl slop.
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  Speaker 2: You could say girls slobl girl slop.
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  Speaker 1: No I it's it's hip slop.
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  Speaker 2: It's hip slop.
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  Speaker 1: It's trashy music, which is basically just music these days.
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  Speaker 1: Those darn kids get off my lawn, yells at cloud
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  Speaker 1: all of that. I thought I could keep up, but
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  Speaker 1: you guys lost me in the twenty twenties. I just
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  Speaker 1: can't do it in terms of music. But so who
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  Speaker 1: tell us about this what we're going to be talking about? Like,
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  Speaker 1: well who who's sent it to us? And then all
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  Speaker 1: the things and whatever?
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  Speaker 2: All right, so this is a request by Karan Strong
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  Speaker 2: and uh yeah, so he wants us to cover in
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  Speaker 2: the previous beat saber, he got me to play this
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  Speaker 2: song and now he wants me to cover this discussion
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  Speaker 2: of the song.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's a new pop song on the market.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going into the timecodes that he sent?
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  Speaker 2: Hm? Hmm, Well, if you have time codes for this,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go through that. And then he has a couple
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  Speaker 2: additional time codes that he sent, so if we have
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  Speaker 2: time before you have to leave, we'll take a look.
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  Speaker 2: No promising, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so before we get started, I guess uh things
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, all right, I did get a super.
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  Speaker 2: Chow so I might dash off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah there was a yeah, so I got a super
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  Speaker 1: chow on Christmas, uh from the Green Indoors that we
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to. It was like after I ended the show,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read it out really quick. So he
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  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and he says, if there was
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  Speaker 1: something that men could do and take responsibility for in
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  Speaker 1: response to current societal woes. They would already be doing
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  Speaker 1: that and we would be well underway into fixing those problems.
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  Speaker 1: But I think men can only play defense or defense
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  Speaker 1: and thus not play along. So to speak, this is
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  Speaker 1: the strongest card they can play. Ironically enough, when taking
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  Speaker 1: into account all the girl boss fantasies that we see
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  Speaker 1: all around us in the culture, it is in women's
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  Speaker 1: court where the ball lies and needs to be played.
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  Speaker 1: But in order to play the ball, they need to
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge accountability and responsibility. And that is where we come
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  Speaker 1: to a halt. And I think this was in reference
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  Speaker 1: to We were doing our Christmas thing on X and
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  Speaker 1: it was an X space and it became a discussion
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  Speaker 1: about how, you know, men are the problem. Men have
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  Speaker 1: to do something to change things. They have to take
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  Speaker 1: power back, they have to just get in there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: suck it up whatever. And we were just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we've been saying this for like one hundred years and
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  Speaker 1: things have only gotten worse. So maybe we could change
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  Speaker 1: it up a little bit and maybe ask women to
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  Speaker 1: step up or take away their rights. I'm just saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: if they're not going to step up, then they shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have power.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, honestly, that's just logic and reality.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, maybe it isn't the group of people
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  Speaker 2: who have regularly sacrificed their lives to the defense of
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  Speaker 2: society that really need to sacrifice more. I mean, then
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. It's it's this combination of this idea
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  Speaker 2: that society exists for the benefit of men. Therefore men
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  Speaker 2: are like this infinite Pez dispenser of sacrifice and guilt
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  Speaker 2: to engage in that sacrifice. So there's this infinite Pez dispenser.
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  Speaker 2: Men always have something that they haven't given the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us basically, you see what I mean, And so
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  Speaker 2: we have to shame them into giving it. And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they don't. Maybe society isn't guilt for the benefit
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  Speaker 2: of men, which means they don't have an extra like
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  Speaker 2: gold vault in reserve somewhere that they're just they're just
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  Speaker 2: holding out on us. You know, maybe maybe they've given
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  Speaker 2: all they can and now we need to look to
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  Speaker 2: the people who we never blame, or at least we well, really,
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  Speaker 2: every time we talk about blaming women as when we
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  Speaker 2: say that we shouldn't do it but as you know, I,
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  Speaker 2: for one blame women, and I will continue to blame women,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't stop me.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, So we're gonna be looking at
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  Speaker 1: this video from a YouTube channel called Professor Sky. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the guy I guess his name is Professor Sky and
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  Speaker 1: he reviews music. And there were two videos. One is
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  Speaker 1: like an hour and twenty minutes and I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 1: he looks he looks.
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  Speaker 2: What he looks like he needs a cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks a little tired. And then the other
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  Speaker 1: one is shorter, it's about twenty minutes, but he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about a song by an artist named Charlie XCX, who
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  Speaker 1: I guess is from New Zealand, and it's called the Girls,
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  Speaker 1: so confusing, I think, And there were two versions. There
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  Speaker 1: was her normal version and then she did a remix
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  Speaker 1: of the song with another artist named Lord who was
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  Speaker 1: also a woman l O r D. And he's doing
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  Speaker 1: an analysis of it and basically, well, let's just did
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  Speaker 1: you listen you Okay, So the song that Grayton Doris
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  Speaker 1: requested is not this song, but it is the same artist.
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  Speaker 1: So the one that you did on the beat Saber
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  Speaker 1: stream is not the same, but it's a similar, you know, style,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same artist, but this is from her newer album.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess, well, let's just listen to this clip
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  Speaker 1: where he's talking about like the reason she just Charlie
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  Speaker 1: XCX had lord On to do a kind of remix
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  Speaker 1: of the song and they were basically singing it together
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  Speaker 1: or something. And I listened to the song because I
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  Speaker 1: figured I should have all the context, and he is
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  Speaker 1: talking about the lyrics and how like really important and
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  Speaker 1: meaningful all this is, and this has something to do
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  Speaker 1: with women being victims. Okay, so let's go.
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  Speaker 3: So when this remix came out, it was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit lost on me because I you know, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like Kendra popping up on a Drake song, you know.
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  Speaker 3: It was just sort of like, oh, okay. So I
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  Speaker 3: did a little bit of research and through an Entertainment
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  Speaker 3: Weekly article, I found one of the sources of the
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  Speaker 3: beef that exists. And if you have not seen this
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  Speaker 3: interview before, you are welcome. Okay, this is someone named
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  Speaker 3: Priscilla who's doing this interview. I don't know if this
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  Speaker 3: is some kind of borat a'l e G thing here,
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  Speaker 3: but this is one of the funniest interviews with Charlie
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  Speaker 3: XCX that you will ever see.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here it is.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, all right, so he just holds
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  Speaker 1: up a laptop, so just pausing there. So this is
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  Speaker 1: Charlie XCX on the right and the interview on the left.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let this clip play. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: You're not sorry, great indoors that.
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  Speaker 3: I love your music.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite songs that you have is Royals.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you get the inspiration for that? Royals came from?
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  Speaker 5: You know, just me looking at like how I'm from
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  Speaker 5: New Zealand, from like a small time and gino like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not really.
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  Speaker 3: Part of that.
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  Speaker 2: Why are you so excited? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. He's some people have
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  Speaker 1: a thing with celebrity culture and this is uh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. He he is like weirdly excited and he's
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  Speaker 1: like a married man supposedly so but let's let's let's
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  Speaker 1: keep going.
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  Speaker 2: So she's like, I'm not even like I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 2: it's like my identity is about to be affirmed. I
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  Speaker 2: am the one good man. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's go back to just a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear her little story about like
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  Speaker 1: what the song is.
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  Speaker 2: About from New Zealand Zealand.
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  Speaker 1: It's essentially, I'm not like the other girls, so let's
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  Speaker 1: let's let's listen and gino.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'm not really part of that bougie like culture,
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  Speaker 5: so I thought i'd write a song about it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, get that thing out of your mouth.
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  Speaker 1: She's sucking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm I'm sucking on a minute. That's
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  Speaker 2: only because I'm feeling nauseous. This is not helping gottail.
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  Speaker 1: This.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So she's just sitting there in a professional
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  Speaker 2: supposedly professional contact sucking on a lollipop supposedly yeah. But
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  Speaker 2: but men need to stop playing games. It's immature. Oh
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  Speaker 2: good lord, Okay, let's well.
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't there like a famous clip of Britney Spears
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  Speaker 1: years ago and she was on like CNN or sixty
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  Speaker 1: minutes or something and she was chewing gum really loud.
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  Speaker 1: So this isn't like a new thing. But I don't know, man, Like,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I think all of this is fake and
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  Speaker 1: they're all just playing characters and everyone is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: go along with it, and like the is this really
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  Speaker 1: the first time that a female pop star did an
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  Speaker 1: interview and said, Oh, I just don't get like this
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  Speaker 1: high society, bougie culture. I'm just so normal and weird.
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  Speaker 1: And here's my T shirt and I'm eating candy just
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  Speaker 1: like other girls. And yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like they it's like that classic scene
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  Speaker 2: in the Life of Brian and he says, you're all individuals.
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  Speaker 2: You all think for your you often think for yourselves.
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  Speaker 2: And in the entire crowd response, we're all individuals, we
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  Speaker 2: all can think for ourselves. And then there's one guy
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  Speaker 2: in the crowd that says, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going. So the important setup stuff here.
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  Speaker 3: You know that that first of all makes me fall
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  Speaker 3: in love with the Charlie X. Not in a weird
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  Speaker 3: internet way, but just like in a in a oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, that's great, right, like just the way that
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  Speaker 3: che old of it. But apparently when Royals came out
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and this is according to Charlie XX
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  Speaker 3: and other interviews, she felt jealous. You know, she felt like, well,
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  Speaker 3: this person kind of looks like me. We do the
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  Speaker 3: same kind of eyeliner or whatever I makeup. I don't
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  Speaker 3: really understand makeup. Wow work for urban decay for.
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  Speaker 2: Since a lot of signifiers of individuality there. Our our
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  Speaker 2: makeup is the same, We're exactly the same. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there's others.
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  Speaker 1: Just he's building up to something. Let's let him build
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  Speaker 1: up a very brief period of time.
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  Speaker 3: But that's as much as I understand about about makeup.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just this interesting moment where like she was jealous.
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  Speaker 3: She was jealous of the success that Lord had.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, We're okay, So Charlie is jealous of Lord.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Celebrity A is jealous of Celebrity B. And this
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  Speaker 1: is an important discussion that we are well v is
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  Speaker 1: perhaps Yeah, I mean I.
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  Speaker 2: Think jealous is more possessive. Envy is more I want
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  Speaker 2: what you have? Mm hmm yeah, yeah, that's a minor point.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let us continue, all right, the same and completely different.
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  Speaker 4: Well, musically, I've listened to them back to back, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm maybe the tempo is slightly higher. Maybe a g
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  Speaker 3: Cook added like, are.
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  Speaker 2: You almost at a little uh snide here? Like you're
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  Speaker 2: basically saying the music is the same.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to say that. I guess there are two
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  Speaker 1: versions of the song, and one is slightly different because
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  Speaker 1: it's a remix, and he's saying they're you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: fairly similar. But that's not he that's not the point,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the that's not it yet. We're not there yet.
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  Speaker 2: Let's trying to carve out their own set of resources
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  Speaker 2: without actually visiting the crowd, trying to be individuals while
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  Speaker 2: still having the security of the crowd. M Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 3: Just to one of the sounds, but as far as
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  Speaker 3: I can tell, it's exactly the same song. Feel free
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  Speaker 3: to tell me in the comments. The cover you'd think
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  Speaker 3: would be a picture of Lord with with Charlie, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not. It's Charlie XCX looking in the mirror, which
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  Speaker 3: is perfect mirror. Watch my If you haven't seen my
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  Speaker 3: video about Bratt, check it out. That's one of my better.
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  Speaker 4: Videos this year.
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  Speaker 3: I go all into it talking Picasso. It's a fun video.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me the comments if you've seen it.
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  Speaker 4: That's this stupid thing to ask.
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  Speaker 3: Don't tell me in the comments.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You don't tell me in the comments.
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  Speaker 1: If you he's just shut up. Let's just jump to
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  Speaker 1: the next bit a little. He's waffling and I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to the mirror. So I'll just go to
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  Speaker 1: like right here, I think, Okay, stir hood, how do
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  Speaker 1: you do that? Wait?
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  Speaker 6: H right?
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  Speaker 3: How confusing it is and how hard it is to
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  Speaker 3: overcome that and have some sense of true sisterhood? How
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  Speaker 3: do you do that in patriarchy, especially when women are
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  Speaker 3: invariably constantly pit against each other?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, okay, so patriarchy pits women against each other. I
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  Speaker 2: was worrying that we weren't going to get a payload,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, here we go. It's patriarchy that pits women
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  Speaker 2: against each other. Patriarchy. If if men didn't exist, women
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  Speaker 2: would live in a perfect utopia of cooperation and belonging.
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  Speaker 2: Because you know, as we can see, lesbians have the
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  Speaker 2: lowest rate of divorce and domestic violence and sexual assault
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  Speaker 2: of all the couples, gay men, straight people. You know,
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  Speaker 2: lesbians are really just floating on top of all of us.
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  Speaker 2: It's totally not like I think it was. Which not
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  Speaker 2: lewis cy Uh the other guy that the comedian who's
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  Speaker 2: really popular. Recently he did a shtick on lesbians.
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  Speaker 1: God Shane gillis.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: Damn popular comedian today, popular.
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  Speaker 2: Comedian that pokes fun at women.
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  Speaker 1: Well there's a lot of them, now there is that
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  Speaker 1: must be patriarchy. Pitty comedy is on is on the
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  Speaker 1: it's on the the, it's returning. It's not coming from
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  Speaker 1: where you expect, but there's definitely Andrew Schultz, Shane gillis
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  Speaker 1: uh in a way, Well that was somebody else. LEONARDA.
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  Speaker 1: Joni is a female comedian. She's she goes, She's Ham,
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  Speaker 1: she goes Ham.
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  Speaker 2: But I really should know this guy's name because he's
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: day Bill Burr. Hey, guys are happier than lesbians. He's
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  Speaker 2: told with that he's totally full of shit, like he's
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  Speaker 2: not actually making an observation. He describes how if you
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  Speaker 2: go into a lesbian bar, you don't look at the
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  Speaker 2: young lesbians. You look at the old lesbians, and they
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  Speaker 2: look like they've just been through the frickin' ringer. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they had some kind of horrible, horrible traumatic event. They're
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  Speaker 2: just sitting there with greasy hair, smoky chain, smoking cigarettes
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  Speaker 2: and knocking back shots, and it's like, well, that must
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  Speaker 2: be bullshit, except it isn't. Statistically, lesbian relationships are the
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  Speaker 2: most destructive and the most likely to be destructed, And
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  Speaker 2: where's the patriarchy. Where's the patriarchy? How can you blame
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  Speaker 2: the patriarchy on that? I mean, how do you blame
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  Speaker 2: that on the patriarchy? Right? So it's and it's convenient
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  Speaker 2: because if you blame the patriarchy, if women are engaging
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  Speaker 2: in an activity that is unpleasant, nasty, destructive, and you
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  Speaker 2: blame the patriarchy, conveniently, you don't actually have to change
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  Speaker 2: the actions your take that are causing this destructive behavior.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the very existence of blaming the patriarchy that
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  Speaker 2: ensures that women do not take responsibility for how they
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  Speaker 2: treat other women. And yet this guy is asserting that
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  Speaker 2: it's the patriarchy. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: What it has to be. Because basically it's affecting people
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  Speaker 1: in a negative way, that must be patriarchy. Otherwise we
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  Speaker 1: would live in a utopia. It will be heaven on earth.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, whatever women do something that they should take responsibility for,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you appeal to patriarchy to just remove their agency. Right,
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  Speaker 2: if they ever do anything negative, patriarchy did it. But
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: if you think about it, that means women never change
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  Speaker 2: or get better.
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  Speaker 1: They'll blame they can blame patriarchy for for Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: they still but you can.
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  Speaker 2: Blame the patriarchy the change or get better, Like the
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  Speaker 2: situation will never improve. Women will still engage in the
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  Speaker 2: same shit that they engage in with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you blame patriarchy, you get to feel good
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  Speaker 1: about saying that. You know what mean these people don't
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  Speaker 1: actually want to fix any problems. They just want to
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  Speaker 1: be able to be the one that identifies it and
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  Speaker 1: stands on the moral high ground while things get worse
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  Speaker 1: because it won't affect them personally.
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  Speaker 2: And also, when he talking about patriarchy, these are two
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  Speaker 2: women in a competitive field. Is that what he means?
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  Speaker 2: You know that there's pit against each other because they're competing. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but here's the thing. If you want to be on top,
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  Speaker 2: that means you have to command a lot of attention.
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  Speaker 2: That means you're competing with other people who also want
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  Speaker 2: to be a top and command that attention. Like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you get away from that? Otherwise? It doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: it's like the only way that you get all of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this stuff is through competition because it's a scarce resource.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Huge amounts of attention aren't just laying around on the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: ground to be picked up, and it's not patriarchy that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: makes them scarce. It's the fact that it's just functionally scarce.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. You're competing over a scarce resource.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So yes, you're gonna have competition if you want that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: scarce resource. It's not something to do with patriarchy. It
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: has to do with what they want, what these women want.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Ah, he's gonna expand on that, I think, So let's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: listen to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Some more see if he recovers from this bullshit this
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: deep well, oh okay, all right, you're snickering does not
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: does not fill me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: With ten spots.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You give women one spot and then they fight and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: then everyone comments on it and say, oh, that's just
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: how women are.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: No, that's not if the patriarchy gives ten women in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: ten spots.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Patriarchy that the top eleven musicians that a female musicians
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: are actually men and then there's one woman.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But wouldn't be surprised in today's day and age.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But no, I wouldn't know. That hasn't happened yet.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It hasn't happened ai and one is a YouTuber you know, like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: but okay, so men are men are are given the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: top ten spots, they don't earn it by virtue of
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: commanding the attention interest of the audience. They're just given
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: it because patriarchy. So patriarchy basically worked through all of us.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It forces our eyeballs. You know, we would our eyeballs
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: would be moving towards a female artist, but no, we
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: have to look at the male artists because patriarchal eyeball waves.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right. I don't know if you guys
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: heard that part. I'm gonna play that part again because
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody heard it, So I'm gonna
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: go back a little bit and play it again.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Here we go pit against each other, constantly, pit against
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: each other for one spot. You give men ten spots,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you give women one spot, and then they fight, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: then everyone comments on it and say, oh, that's just
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: how women are.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: No, that's not how women are.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: That's how people are when they're not giving enough access
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: to visibility or structural power.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, they don't.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Always see you, Okay, they're not given enough access to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: visibility or structural power. Do you honestly think that men
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: don't compete? And also, if there's an opportunity for the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: structure or the institution to give someone a hands up,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a hand up? Who do you think they give it to?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Do you really think they give it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: To male artists? No?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So the actual on the grounds ud like a paper trail.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you can see it in the accountant books.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Discrimination is for women and against men, And yet you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: still assert that somehow there's some mysterious force that's make
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: men command larger audiences and making this thing fall off
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: in very awkward timing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Look, men literally, men literally have to be men literally
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: have to be more talented to get half the viewership
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that women who are like somewhat attractive but not necessarily
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: skilled get. Like the idea that women don't get visibility
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is I mean, it's like so absurd. I don't even
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: know that there is a point in replying to this
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: in a logical fashion. Just go to any social media
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: site and see it's dominated by women who are completely
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: getting visibility, right, like completely like the top Who is Beyonce?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Who is that? Does anybody know? Who is Mariah Carey?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Every Christmas? Who is that? You know?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Like, think of it like pop stars anymore?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Well, there are like some, but exactly Oh it's like, uh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: well there's a few, but I can't think of any
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and most of them are gay. The ones that are popular,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that makes them not men.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But no music stars anymore because you can't even think
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: of one.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Alison, it's Taylor Swift, Beyonce Knowles, fucking
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like anyone who's still working, and even some
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: who aren't working, like Britney Spears doesn't make music anymore,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but she still goes viral whenever she feels like acting
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: crazy in front of a camera. The idea that women
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are don't have visibility is just it's beyond absurd and ridiculous,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Like what world do you live in? I'm sorry, but
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and just look, this doesn't even mean that these women
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: are necessarily deserving of this visibility. But they get it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: They get it like you literally don't know. You don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: have to know how to sing, play an instrument, dance
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: or anything. You remember the Olympic Breakdancer, Yes, everyone remember
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Brai Olympic Breakdancer. Was she any good at her job?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Hell no? Did she goes super viral? Yes, maybe for
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the wrong reasons, but she's super famous now. It's all
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: about It's all about yeah, the Hawktua girl, Right, it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: all about what gets you clout, and no one is
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: better at chasing clout than women. And they don't even
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: have to take it from anyone. They can literally just
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: do something silly on the internet and they'll get thousands
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and thousands of views. They know. It's it's an entire economy,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the attention economy, you know that we've talked about. Women
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely dominate that. And you know what, that's okay. Men
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: aren't concerned with that. They'd rather be good at something
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: regardless of the clout. It gets them, right. So maybe
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why this guy is caping for women,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: because you know, when men do something, they know, like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: there are definitely pretty, you know, pretty boys that aren't
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: necessarily talented that make music, but most of them have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to be somewhat They can't just be pretty. It doesn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: work right unless you're like a K pop star or something.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But they but the women dominate that too. They're Japanese
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: idols dominated by women. It's it's it's the same everywhere,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and it's just the reality. So I don't know, I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: don't know what this guy is saying. I don't know
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: what he's smoking. This is a completely different reality.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: So well, he's smoking the universal narrative that we have constructed,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and we've constructed out of something that's never been proven.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: We just decided it's just as a race. We were
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, how can we just how can we
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: how can we structure? Well, let's let's let's just go
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: with how can we choose our destructor let's just go
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: with this random crap made up basically as an advertising
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Like the War of the Sexes was basically advertising, right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course there was the whole feminist movement,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but it really took off when it got that that
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: advertising concept that the sexes were at war. And now
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we've structured our entire society around a stupid jingle about
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: men and women that men oppressed women, right, and and
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it's basically just an advertising gimmick, and it's working about
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: as well as as well as you would expect, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's well, I can imagine the aliens
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: come down to like the last man standing on earth,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and so, oh, so what what killed you? Guys? We
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: decided to worship an advertising concept didn't work out for us? Well,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we all just decided to center the relationship between to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: center our view of the relationship between men and women
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: on somebody's advertising copy and it really got fucked up
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the end. This is the stupidest way for a species
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: to die, but we're doing it. I'm pretty sure the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: aliens are like preparing some plaque in the Hall of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Fame somewhere in like the middle of the galaxy or something.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Stupidest way for a supposedly satian species to die. Feminism.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think aliens are probably dealing with feminism too. Okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: so let's continue. I could I guarantee it. Okay, let's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Fact, they don't always know what's in their best interest
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: because they're fighting for so little. So you know, at
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: any time in pop culture that can only be one
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So Brittany Christina, you just go fight so we can
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: figure out that it would be one blonde?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: What But that's not what? How is this patriarchy? Like
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the majority of their audience is women? I mean, is it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Is it patriarchy's fault? At the instant of a pop
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: starlet gets a wrinkle, her female fans are like, no,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: she doesn't reflect me anymore. Like I don't want to.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be reminded of my immortality. Everything
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I do is try to deny that. I'm gonna die, Like, like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: is it is that patriarchy's fault, right, like that literally
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that's probably what it is.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like if patriarchy is fatherhood, than anyone
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: having a father that creates problems or is the or
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is subjected to problems, it's the father's fault. It is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: patriarchy's fault. I guess that's the logic. So Britney Spears
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and a Christina Aguilera, see they had dads at some point,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: so they were obviously the products of patriarchy if they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were fighting for the top spot. And it has nothing
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to do with the fact that, like the machine that
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: made them famous, because that's what it is. It's not
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to say that they're not talented in any way, but
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the machine that makes them famous is also the machine
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that takes that away. Like I don't know, that's like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a cycle, and it happens to anyone who enters the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: show business machine. Patrise O'Neil warned about this years ago,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you know, so, but like we have to blame patriarchy
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: instead of blaming the machine.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but I mean, honest, I'm sure that is
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a huge element of Also in the eighties, didn't weren't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: there a lot of like female vocalists.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I remember there was the Go Gos, and there was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like the Banana Rama and there, I mean there were
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: tons of bands and acts out there that helped men
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and women. And there were yeah that were women or
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: men the cover girls. Yeah, it goes on.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Huh is that in a lot of in Like in
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the eighties, a lot of the like the female vocalists
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: had unique.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Sounds, yeah, voices.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like all really sounds. And now it
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: seems like there is nothing unique in these women's sounds.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So of course they're competing on some of the most
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: superficial factors possible because it's the only thing to distinguish them.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And then if you don't pursue excellence in your voice,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: like if you have like in the eighties and probably
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the nineties as well, women pursued developing their unique sound,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: which meant that they developed a unique fan base. Right
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: now we have this machine popping out these starlets. They
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: don't seem as far as I can tell, I have
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: not heard a single unique voice lately. Maybe a few,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But if you all sound the same because of auto
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: tuning because you don't want to pursue your craft, you're
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: not going to develop a unique fan base, which means
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: when you age out of being the cute new thing.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily because of men. I'm pretty sure
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that if you actually look at it, there is some
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: some serious uh.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Well you either. I think with a lot of these
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: pop stars, they they have to they get a little older,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and this goes for the men to but they end
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: up having to make a choice either reinvent themselves to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: sort of like stay up to date and change with
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the times, or they just sort of stop doing that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and they go silently into private life, right or and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and and for example, Prince was an artist
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that had to reinvent his image all the time. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: everyone remembers Prince from like the eighties when the Purple
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Rain thing and he was dressed like a pirate and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: all that, but like as if you followed his career
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: over time, he was constantly changing and updating his image
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and even changing his music to match. Madonna. Madonna is
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: another one that has done that. Now he has become
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like a horrid like hag of a woman because she
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: kept trying to do the young thing and she didn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like you know, I guess age gracefully into her music
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: career and she didn't want to stop. So that was
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like the wrong way to do it. I think. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: think there is a good way to do it and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not so good way, and some people can pull it
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: off and some can't. Like the Rolling Stones, I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they still play led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, these acts, they
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: still play and they don't change anything. But if you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: were built on a kind of image in the same
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: way that somebody like a you know, Britney Spears or
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: avel Levine or whatever, then you'll either have to change
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: your image because you're not the teenage girl anymore, or
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna stop making music. You know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: My point is is that you know when you're the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it girl. I think that there is It's not necessarily
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: patriarchal pressure. It's also the pressure of your female audience.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Like they I don't think women like being reminded that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: death is coming. No, they they don't lose that kind
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: of cute young shine. You you have the potential of
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: losing your female audience because you become you become a
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: reflection of their own fears of mortality. That has nothing
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to do with patriarchy, has everything to do with anxiety.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's understandable people, mortality is frightening, but that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't you can't blame it on men, you know, all right,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just putting it out there. I think
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that that isn't.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I got a message from XARANX who has
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: a membership to the channel, So I'm reading it as
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: though it's a super chat, but it's just a membership comment,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I guess. And he said, anyone, remember when n SYNC
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: back three Boys and ninety eight Degrees had to differentiate themselves.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Remember when Drew Hill, Jagged Edge and Jodasy did the same. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: don't forget the bone Thugs and harmony and uh color
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: me Bad and Tony Tony Tony. So yeah, but like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you had to have a sound that made you unique,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, so that people would want to listen to,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Like I mentioned Tony Tony Tony or Bell BIV Devaux
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: or another bad creation or whatever, and they had like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a different sound, so you were getting something different out
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of it. But it was ultimately, yes, you're competing, but
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: this is the thing that's really funny about this. We're
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talking about multi millionaire people and and we're and we're
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to feel like, oh my god, won't someone think
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of the number one hit pop star. It's like, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: think she's okay, you know, like I'm not envious of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: her fame and wealth. But you know, like, let's can
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: we not shed a tear for that. I think she's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: doing fine.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I think she's I think she's fine, and I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: she's fine yah ourselves with her, you know, I don't
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: her problems. I mean, I'm sure that not they're not pleasant.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody has their problems. I'm sure that pop
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: divas have their problems too.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Sure they're not like, yeah, I don't think not being
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: picked is one of them. All right, all right, let's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe one goth ye, maybe like one black woman with
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: natural hair, maybe one with like dyed hair. Maybe one
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Hispanic or sort of like the like in general art,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: In the eighties it wasn't like this. You had female
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: vocalists with unique sound, like very unique sounds. Share was unique,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Whitney Houston was unique, Kate Bush was unique, very unique,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you know, and they would pursue Blondie unique like all
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: of them. I guess maybe Madonna was a little more generic,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: but no, I.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mean Madonna was in her own way like in the eighties.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they all had unique sounds, right, and they
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: pursued George.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: That's not only not quite.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Right, but quite not exactly, but they all had unique
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: sounds like you could you could tell listening to them
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: who they were instantly. So there's there was plenty of
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: room for people who had pursued their craft and perfected
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it to create a unique sound, a unique and individual
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: sound that was a combination of their style, their own taste,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and their own self development and something that they found
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that people responded to. Right, So these women pursued that,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and there was ample room for any woman who pursued
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that and was of interest to the to the audience.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Now apparently we've gone away from that, which presumably the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: eighties is the absolute height of patriarchy, and now all
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the girls sound the same and they distinguish themselves like
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: brats dolls with accessories and hair because patriarchy. So in
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the eighties, when presumably we're at the height of patriarchy,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: women distinguished themselves through merit now when we're also at
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the height of patriarchy. They distinguished themselves through accessories. Like okay,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: well let's go back then, let's go back to the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: meritocratic patriarchy rather than the accessory patriarchy. Maybe everything is patriarchy,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: All right? Super chat from Nova fan or super sorry
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: no rumble rant, sorry, rumble rant. Shout out to the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: rubble gang. Uh. Nova Fan twenty one gave us a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: dollar and says, maybe the female millionaire artists should have
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: their millions of millionaire dollars distributed to the unsuccessful female artists.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, how are you going to get equality?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's keep going. I think let
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: me just check my timecodes. Uh yeah, I think we're
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: getting to something else, to be.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: One woman in one space. So this competition makes sense.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And what the original song did is it laid bare
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: of the fact that this is a problem, that this
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: kind of competition, this kind of beef is a problem,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: and you know, to to to be fair. In you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I Think Rhapsodies album, she talks about the pair amount
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: other female rappers are starting to get hip to this
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: fact that the fact that Cardi B fights with Nicki Minaj,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: fights with Little Kim, fights with Foxy Brown. I don't
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: even know, right, but just the fact that they always
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: fight against each other, is that sense that they're being
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: pitted against each other to serve patriarchal what serve patriarchal?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Wait? Wait, wait, wait, let's let's let's hear that a
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: little bit. I just wanted to let let him get
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to the end of that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so keep quiet.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Is that sense that they're being against each other to
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: serve patriarchal domination?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Guy, my friend, my dude, my dude. What if bear
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: with me here. What if all of these like beefs
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: between millionaire musicians women it's just more marketing to sell albums.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: What if it's all bullshit? It's kind of like politicians
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and argue on the on the uh you know, the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Senate room floor, and they're like posting videos of them
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: owning each other and it gets them more clout. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: what if this is also that? Yeah, like it's the WWF,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: except that it at least the WWF is honest about it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the matriarchy pitting these men against each other. Like, no,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: it's the inner.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's publicity.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for business. I'm gonna buy the Nicki
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Minaj album because I heard what she said about Cardi.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I mean sometimes they there are like and this is
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the thing. It's not even new, Like ever since there's
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: been raped, there have been people like making disc tracks
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: on each other. I remember the Big Daddy Kane Ll
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: cool J days showing my age here, but they were
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: going back and forth like crazy. Obviously LL cool J
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: came out on top because Big Daddy Kane doesn't make
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: albums anymore. But that was not a new thing like
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: this has been going on. I remember when there was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: some sometimes that was this one rap group called Third Base.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: It was a bunch of Jewish guys, and they were
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: going after mc hammer all the time. Anybody who became
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: mainstream they would consider selling out. So this is not new. Yeah,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and it's it's good for I think it's just good
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: for business. I think that. And when you say and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that what's funny is what's funny about that, Allison, to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: bring it back to this whole thing about patriarchy. Blaming
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy is also good for business.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it makes women feel right and it
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: seems like feeling right is the biggest the biggest product
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: to solment or saw women. But I'm just thinking, you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: metaal acalypse, that that shady council that's always in the guy,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: that the patriarch is always like we wait, I've never.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Seen I've never seen that show. Actually wait, well, but
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I'm reminds me. Are they like that secret cabal from
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: uh the Venture Brothers, you know, the Guild of Calamitous Intent,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And they're all like in behind, like they're all on screens,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: but it's just their silhouettes.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, they well basically so it's like this this shady
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: patriarchal Council. Oops, I lost my mint, this shady patriarchal council,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and they're all arrayed and they're all saying, let's make
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Cardi b to be caddy to Nickey Minaj.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Why not? They probably talk to each other, they go
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: to the same Yeah, they've all been to the Diddy parties.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that they know each other intimately.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But this shady patriarchal Council, it's it's long term plan
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: involves pitting female pop stars against each other. You know
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: it all in the end, it all, it all is patriarchy,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you know. Just I just find that amusing because I
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: don't think the majority of men care about any of this.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, uh well, I mean I yeah, I
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: think you're right. I was gonna say, I think there's
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: probably a lot of women that don't care about this either,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: But there are women love they They're really drawn to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: social dynamics right wherever it is, which is why they're
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you know, for them, social media is call of duty.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But I think and that's why they like watching reality TV,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and that's why they like soap operas because it's all
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: interpersonal social dynamics that are at play. So when women
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: are beefing in the music industry and there's drama there,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I think that they drawn to that because they want
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to look at it, talk about it, discuss it, gossip,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: spill the tea whatever. So yeah, I'm sure of that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I bet Manifestel probably has something to say
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: about this, and it's probably men's fault in that case too.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Another rumble rant from Nova fan twenty one, who says,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: for a dollar, imagine we use his framework to make
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: entertainment for women classic female drama, except the women, somehow
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: are bbfs and only the men cause problems. Oh wait,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: that sucks. Yeah you mean BFFs. Is that what you mean?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just give. I'll give. If there's any women watching,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: give you a pro tip. If a woman blames her
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: behavior on patriarchy, you are going to have You're gonna
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: have a shitty time with her period as a friend.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Like, if a woman punches you in the face and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: blames patriarchy, don't don't buy it. If she was the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: one that punched you in the face, not patriarchy. All right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: let's let's keep going. All right, do we have like
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: can we skip forward? Because there's a lot here.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: There is a I could jump to the next bit.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I think, let me see what what with the seven
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: thirty seven? He's gonna talk about solidarity, Like, I don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: know if you want to talk about that, I'll just
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: jump ahead. So let's see twelve maybe like right here?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: See okay?
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: And kind of power system that you're stuck in is
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you work with somebody who's at the same level as you,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: who's suffering under the same system, and you communicate, you
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: figure out how you're feeling, you address the issues between you,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: and then you start punching up you start doing you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: heard charger uppercuts?
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: What was what was that sound? Were you're trying to say?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Sure you can? Okay, dude, yeah if you if you
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: can't make the sound, don't make the reference, all right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Uh So, basically he's saying that women should come together
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: in solidarity and fight patriarchy together. Okay, m luck.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And wouldn't that mean that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Isn't it really? Isn't it interestingly paternalistic that this guy
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: is telling he is presuming the situation between these super famous, rich,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: millionaire hip hop stars and saying, oh.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: What, I think he's just writing the the sapphic fanfic
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: in his mind. Well, yeah, I mean they're gonna put
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: their side, start with hair pulling, and then they're gonna
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: tear off each other's shirts. Yeah, and then they're gonna
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: start kissing. Oh boy, Like I think he's just writing
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: the sapphig fanfic in his head. That's all that's all
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: this is. But you're paternalistic, sorry to interrupt their.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's patronizing, Like he thinks, Oh, if I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: only could sit these two ladies down, I can make
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: them best friends.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's like, right, could you imagine him at like female
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: mma events where women are fighting each other and she's like, ladies, ladies,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: it's the patriarchy pitting you against each other, hoggin kiss.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Is it the patriarchy that also made them millionaires?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah exactly. No no, no, no, no, no,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: they made themselves millionaires. It's the patriarchy that makes it
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: so that not every woman can be a pop star millionaire.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: You see, they made themselves millionaires, but it's the patriarchy
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that prevents all women from being pop star millionaires. Not talent,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: not luck, you know, not the right connections, the patriarchy.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Without the patriarchy, every woman would be Cardi B.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, were it not for those darn patriarchal music producers.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, at the same time, Cardi
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: B is responsible for Cardi B's success. I presume he
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: would say that, But it's patriarchy that decides that everybody
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: else is not successful, And there's never the connection that
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: there has to be a whole bunch of unsuccessful people
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: in a competitive in a competitive field for there to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: be one Cardi B. Right, because it you know, you
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: have to throw a whole BoNT of shift concepts at
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: the audience before you get a hit. So there's by definition,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: there's always going to be a whole bunch of unsuccessful people.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It's like you have to have a whole bunch of
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: losers in order for somebody to win an MMA tournament, Right,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: there's got to be a bunch of people who didn't win.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: But he he like this is as ridiculous as him
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: going to an MMA tourment tournament and declaring to the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: to I don't know Ronda Rousey that the patriarchy is
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: why she's not sharing, you know, topsy spot with every
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: other woman there, like really, because I'm pretty sure it's
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: not the patriarchy. That's why I'm just using Ronda Rousey
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: because she's the one that comes to mind is in
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: the top spot. I'm pretty sure it's because she has
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the best technique. I don't know if that's true, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: she has the best is she's the strongest, she's worked
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the hardest for it. You know, that's why she's in
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the top spot, not because patriarchy excluded all the other women.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And you're right, that's incredibly patronalistic and in fact, it
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: steals the success from these women insofar as you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: being a big pop star is a is a is
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: a result of merit. I don't know, maybe it isn't,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: but it steals the success, the individual success from these women. No,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: but seriously, I think he should do that. I think
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: he should go to a female MMM event, MMA event
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and tell the woman who win, patriarchy is why all
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: other women aren't standing there, All of the women that
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you fought aren't standing there with you, winning with you.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: They should all have won, They should all have won.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Why do we even have losers and winners?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Why do we have women striving for anything?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, why would you.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Have a woman working out, learning technique, you know, getting stronger,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: doing the whole rock YU meantime? Why would you have
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: a woman striving for anything when it's patriarchy that's preventing
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: all other women from benefiting from her achievements. If only
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: there wasn't patriarchy, all women would win every MMA tournament.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: If only there wasn't patriarchy, all women would be the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: top writers and the top producers and the top pop artists.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: And if only there wasn't patriarchy, women would be literally
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all the time, Like, what the hell it's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: just patriarchy that prevents women from being the singularity at
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the end of all of the universe.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll shut it, guys.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And this is beautiful because it's specific. This public you'd
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: been feeling, it's specific. This is you know this happened.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: You know that Lord got a voicemail from Charlie XCX.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But this is also for all women everywhere who try
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: to work it out. And then she says, let's work
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: it out on the remix, so we're listening. This is
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: a very meta moment.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: This is a very postmodern song.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is a song about working push modernism.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I just I love your expression there. You just look
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: utterly like.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: What, Yeah, he's like, this is for women everywhere. You mean,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: like you mean like the woman carrying water from the
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: well to her village, Like that woman's for her, you mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like the woman that's like the cleaning lady, and like
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the mansion, like or what were you talking about? Like
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Ryan?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for patriarchy, they would all be Ronda Rousey,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Cardi b Yeah, the woman who did the breakdancing in
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. They would all be every woman would be
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: every woman. Every woman would be every woman, and we'd
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: all be much better than men.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Ah every womn. It's all in me anything, won't dumb baby.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Really painfully like he's I'm gonna be catty. He's really uncool.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: No, I know right, like yes, I don't.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Usually say that, like we we respond to he reviews.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: He's like the least like I know this is this
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: is shallow ship. But he is literally the the last
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: person I would think would do like reviews of like
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: modern hip hop music, but that's what he does. It's
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like have you heard the Hey kids? Have you heard
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the new the new song from Charlie x x x.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It's dope, no cap.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: But surely he has another source of self esteem and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: status in his life. I mean, his house doesn't look skeezy.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: It looks like he's he's probably a professional of some description,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like you're you're out of your natural habitat dude, it
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: just looks weird. You're you're spotted leopard at the tea party.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just as like you go go to
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: your boardroom or.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: Your surgery surgery, or or like your your doctor's practice,
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: or maybe you're a dentist, like, just go to where
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: you should be.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I know, he looks like he would he'd be working
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: at the Home shopping network. It's got the riz. Okay,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: all right, let's let's listen to more through.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: A difficulty by doing a remix together that is also
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: the remix together. All right, it is John c Riley,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: you know, all right, weird old hair, adult swim whatever.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: You'd always say, let's go out. Then I'd canceled the
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: last minute.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So he's like going through the lyrics, but he's getting
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: into the next topic.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we can. We can we jump forward a bit.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, fine, do we have to go through no, no, no,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the human experience? Okay, let me see. So he's going
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: into the you know what, I'll go like, right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: This, this conversation needs to be had. We need to
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: get tired of it. We need to say, oh, it's
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: just another female pop star talking about it, because it's
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: something that keeps happening.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: It keeps so so this is like he's talking about
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: like people are saying, why is it? We're constantly getting this,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: like Billie Eilish, fucking you know this this right here?
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I got the clip this is what was
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: playing when uh, when the Barbie movie came, No, when
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the election happened and all these women were crying on
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: TikTok to this song. So and and well that's the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Billie Eilis song. But this is done by a cat.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So I just have the meal version so we don't
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: get like dinged. But he's saying, like if people are
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: rolling their eyes and saying, why are we getting this,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: he's saying that we have to have it. And the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: reason why the music exists is because this this thing
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: keeps happening, this this patriarchal phenomenon that's apparently like destroying women.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Women are getting theano snapped everywhere because I don't know,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: we haven't gotten there yet whatever, whatever is the singularity,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know the ultimate liberation.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: You know, the ultimate liberation, which is that every woman
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: has everything that every other woman has, and patriarchy is
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: stopping us all from that perfect state of being. Oh
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: good lord, just the thought of that makes me want
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: to unlive myself in minecraft, like just no personal individuation
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: allowed for any woman. We must all have each other's resources,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: we must all have unique voices that are also all
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: the same and also get equally amounts of money from
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: an equally large audience, and we all should be equally
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: good at everything like cooking and mixed martial arts and
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: being a boss babe, and we will all be all
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: that is that ever was that is female? You know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: it's really funny because I've started to realize that the big,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the big thing that really holds women back. And this
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: is what I've noticed in families is you get these
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: generations of women trying to destroy each other's autonomy or
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: trying to control each other's autonomy, trying to make decisions
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: for each other and trying to manipulate each other into
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: those decisions. And it's like, yeah, this isn't this isn't men.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: This is women just not letting other women be different
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: or have things they don't.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, pling more's happening all of these poor women.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Truly doesn't matter how famous you are, that they have
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: to think at this level at all times. How does
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: patriarchy pit women against each other?
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: This is it?
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: She doesn't want to be five waves?
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: What if you want competition? Like what about Yeah, you're
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you're presuming every woman wants to based in this lukewarm
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: pool of the vaginal fluids with every other woman bobbing
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: like dumplings. You know, it's like fucking what what if
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you actually want to differentiate yourself, You want to compete,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: You want to develop skills, and you want to find
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: out how those skills rank relative to other women. Yep, Like,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: this is no different than I use the mma example
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: because it's so clear. This is no different than him
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: going to a tournament where women are testing each other's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: skills in order to determine some their rank based on
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: some external standard, and him saying, no, you all would
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: be on the winner's podium if if not for patriarchy, bitch, please,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: that's not how it works. The women on the winner's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: podium are there because they worked for it. And if you.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: Insist on this war, this lukewarm, undifferentiated mass of womanhood,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: you deny women's right to actually achieve relative to other women,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: to actually compete with other women, Hey like to differentiate
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: from other women.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't believe that I'm defending like cat
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: fights in pop stars, but you can't. You have you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: It may be anesthetic to you because you'd rather see
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: them scissoring or whatever that whatever. Fan fiction you're writing
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: in your mind, he.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Wants to be the guy that gives out them. He
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: wants to be the guy that gives out the metals.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for nothing, for being a female Like this is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you know, you're absolutely right, You're absolutely freaking right, Brian.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Another puzzle piece falls into place. It's like, uh, jj
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Abrams in that character Ray and this you're not even
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: a character that Cipher. Basically they set up this weird
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: incestuous relationship with his with his own character in which
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: he just gives her everything because he can. And it's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: really about the author giving his female character everything like
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: some kind of god Santa Claus.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Because they'll blame that on patriarchy too, because a man's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing, Like it's jj Abrams. He
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: has this female character and he can give anything he
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: wants to her because he's in charge of the entire
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: fucking world. So he does. And that's what this guy
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: is doing. It's all about being the one giving the medals,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: giving things to women women can't compete. That's outside the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: scope of men giving them shit.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, a little bit more of this and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: then I got another clip. But I mean, this is
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: like the main These are some of the main points in.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: The picture with Charlie XCX too heavy right. That's in quotes.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I was trapped in the hatred and your life seems
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: so awesome. I never thought for a second my voice
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: was in your head. Give another listen to Solar Power.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever the name of the album was. I forget what
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: this was called. This was from last year. This is
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: the one where she's jumping over the camera. Now, but
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: this is great because it's like, this is so human.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Do you not relate to this? Have you not had
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: someone like this in your life where you look at
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: them and you go, Wow, they have all the friends,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: They've got this great partner. They're just so happy. I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: don't want to talk to them. I don't want to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: be around them. And then you go, when you like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: hang out with them, or you talk to them, or
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: you get to know them, or like you talk to them,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: three years later, you're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: no no. He was cheating on me. I was working
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: like sixty hours a week. It was like terrible. Yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Like my sister had like a full like car accident.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: What the hell is is this his life?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: No, he's basically saying that this this this piece of music,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that there's a revelation in it at people that you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: don't know also have problems, and sometimes you have a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: tendency to only look at what they had that you
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: don't and feel envious and you want to be them.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: But then you meet them, and then you talk to them,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: and then you realize they too have problems, and they
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: too struggle with things. This is a radical concept, not
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: at all rooted in some ancient wisdom about the world,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: but rather you can only find it in the song
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: by Charlie XCX, which is a remix of a song,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and then you'll learn that this is what he's saying.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Have you never have you never had that? It's like, dude,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: how old are you? Because you look like you're forty nine.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well you know he might be younger because
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: like you guys, you guys don't age as well as
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: we do.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: So just throw in shade.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I am a little bit, a little bit okay, but anyway, Yeah,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: so I think there's there isn't much else in this video.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's the main takeaway is that, you know,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: patriarchy is in meshed, and I don't think there's anything
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: else I could jump to the next thing.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy is why men women have to compete over things, yo,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: but not men apparently not men. Yeah, and you can't.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: You can't say, well, you know, if women have to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: compete over being pop stars, men seem to sort of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: have to compete over whether or not they have a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: right to a human identity if you think about it,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: because being a real man is something that you don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: just get by virtue of existing. You have to actually
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: earn it, and it's in relative relative comparison to other men,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: at least that's how it seems to be used in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: our society. But you know, we can't, we don't can't
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: look at that. We can't we can't look at how
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: much men have to compete in order to get anything
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: relative to women and make a statement about patriarchy, patriarchy
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and whether or not it really exists, because we always
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: have to just assume the situation for men is perfect,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: and then everything that happens to women is a result
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: of men doing something. We can't look at the we
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: can we cannot look at the situation for men and say, hey, actually,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: their situation isn't that much better that that's not allowed.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: That's misogyny, or isn't is actually worse. This is what
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I've noticed in this entire conversation. It's always assumed that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: women have it worse. You never look at the side
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: for men and say, well, how do we measure these
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: two sides? You're not allowed to measure that side. If
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: you do, you're a misogynist and a men's rights activist.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well being a men's rights activist is way
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: worse than being a misogynist. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, like I was out in and out of the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: hospital that whole you know, like the whole time, you
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: don't know what's happening inside of people's heads, because that's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: the whole point. That's why you have to talk to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: your co workers. That's why women have to talk to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: each other, that's why you have to talk to people.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Get along with him listening to him, I thought we
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: were moving forward to a different one or something.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, I'm really.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm really not compelled by this. I'm sure that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: he's like got a half a million of viewers or something,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: but he does.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Know like a hundred and something one hundred Okay, So.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're watching us and you're watching this,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: could you tell us the production values that have left
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: this man with like ten times the viewership is of us?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: What what is it that?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Well, he's he's saying the thing that works like he's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a CREATI line.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, the words that unlock the door, that opened
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: the door to people's attention. But really, I don't think
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: his production values are that much. I don't think he's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: really do you think he goes and reads in books
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: about stuff like? No, no, this is pretty shallow analysis.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And yet yeah, there you go. Now that's a bit
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: of envy there. I mean, how about this, dude, what
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: about the competition between you and us?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: You know, is that also patriarchy? And why are you winning?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Why is the critique of patriarchy winning in the patriarchy competition?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, let's ask Let's go to the next bit
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: about self defense.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: So here she's talking about how she's perceived and how
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of women have to have to project a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: certain amount of stealiness, a certain amount of coldness to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: avoid unwanted advances. That's why I will never, in my
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: entire life allow anybody to say around me the expression
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: resting bitch face. I have had so many women try
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: to tell me that it's okay, and I call them
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: bad feminists right to their face because they know there's
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: no such thing as resting bitch face.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: There's just he is.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Going to annihilate any possible external standard you can hold
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: women to. He's just he is the man who's going
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: to dispense all of the metals to all the women
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: at all the time.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's the he's the mini boss that thinks
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: he's the final boss of feminism because he's like calling
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: out other feminists for actually like saying resting bitch face,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: like like that's not a thing, even though women know
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: it's a thing. Women not only know it's a thing,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: but women use it to like keep people away, like
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: specifically as a tool.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Women shall have no judgments upon them because any judgment
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: might actually lead to differentiating individually women individually, might lead
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: to women developing an individual sense of self, and he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: will not have that. Women shall remain a gelatinous, uniform
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: mass of.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: These guys definitely got one good man syndrome.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: For sure, but also the unified massive woman is shall
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: also include some penises, because what is a woman? What
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: is a woman?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, just have face fight patriarchy. Do not
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: use that term, even if you think it makes yourself
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: effacing and funny. No, you're just supporting it. No one
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: can walk like a bitch, No one has.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: With He's literally at war with the concept of female individuation.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: That's what this is, guys. He wants women to be
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: a homogeneous mass like any you know, like any product
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: or or valuable products should be as pure and homogeneous
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: as possible. You don't want impurities, and women individuating is
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: an impurity. Women competing is an impurity. Women being self
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: efface is an impurity because all of these things encourage
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: women to take a sense of self from their personal actions,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: and that's not allowed. He is the one who grants
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: you womanhood. Okay, all right, his keeping.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Everyone just has a face. Must we perform all the time,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: One hundred and forty eight thousand subscribers. Everybody has a face.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Women shouldn't individuate. Patriarchy is why women compete, and there
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: are some women on the Does he go to the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Olympics and be like, you're on you got gold because
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: of patriarchy. All the women should have gold. I could
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: just see him like streaking the Olympic podium. You just
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: got the gold and the silver and the bronze because
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: patriarchy pitted you against each other. Here, I'll throw gold
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: medals to every woman in the stadium. That'll show patriarchy.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I want to hear that again because the camera switch
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: a lot because you kept laughing, so sorry to get
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: through this. Now it's fine, fine, all right.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Must we perform all the time? And who must perform
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: all the time? And it's just self defense unless you're
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: until you're building a weapon. She believed my projection, and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: now I totally get it. Forgot that inside that icon
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: there's still a young girl from Essex, Which is to say,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: we forget people's humanity when they reach a certain level
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: of fame. We forget people's humanity when we are jealous
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: of them. Both of these women thought that the other
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: person had what they wanted.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Both of these.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Women thought that they were occupying this space that they shoul.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: We forget women's we forget people's humanity if they're men like,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: and then we just have this absolute obsession with blaming.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Does he go anywhere with this.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: This is basically I mean the end of more for
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: the There's one more thing I could jump to.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's jump to that one more thing, because I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: feel like we're being subject to a fatal amount of waffle.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got another suit A rumble ran from
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Nova fan. Thank you. Novan twenty one gives a dollar
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: and says, I pray that one day a feminist accuses
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: him of misogyny so bad he has canceled from the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: female audience, and his betrayal sends him into a feminist
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: civil war arc civil War. Tim Poole has entered the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: chat and would like to know your location. All right, Lord,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: let's let's jump ahead to this next bit.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know being mad at her for whatever.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Right, Like, they're extending grace to each other, and in
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: so doing, they're freeing themselves from the anger and bitterness.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: And the most important thing about extending grace to other
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: people so you can then extend grace to yourself.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: And why is the song so powerful?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Because fundamentally Lord is forgiving Lord, and Charlie is forgiving
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Charlie and they're free.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Guy, get your T levels checked. You know this reminds
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: me of bat Bastard in Awesome Powers gold Member at
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: the end when he like I think that was at
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the end of that moment, might have been the second
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: one where he says there's someone I have to forgive
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: myself and he's crying. It was a comedy bit. It
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: was a comedy bit that he was doing. Yeah, so
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: it's this is this is this is the max cringe
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of this video, I think, unless it's something I missed,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I'll So you are you arguing with.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: The uh no that we haven't got that for whatever reason,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: we're no longer getting the big bum rush of of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: doom scrollers.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Well it's Christmas vacation for most people, so.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so they're not like terminally online like us. Well,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: I mean we have a business to run, so mm hmm.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: There you go. That's our excuse. Okay, So, uh is
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: this done now?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Unless you want to do the other sure, when
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: do you do?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: You have to pick up Lindsey pretty soon, spoon ish.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like, there's only a couple of time
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: codes that you gave me from the weather video, So
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: just tell me the numbers and I'll just check you.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. So let's go the big one, the big one.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Pull up the big one, and we will go to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty six, although he's the timecone that we've got
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: is fairly long. So yeah, it's a different video. So
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Forty six, I need to get the other video. Hold on.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, all right, sorry about that. I guess I can.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: You know, honestly, I don't. I don't find this guy to.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Be You don't think he's an intellectual powerhouse.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he's particularly This is a this
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: is a different video. It's the long video. Yeah, I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: don't think particularly like, I really don't think he is
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: the women's best interest in mind, no way, And you
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: can see this. All you have to do is change
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: this philosophy in a different context. Olympics.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, every woman on.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: The podium is there because patriarchy has pitted her against
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: other women. Okay, So how do women achieve in the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: context of what he's suggesting? Achievement requires competition, It requires
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: people to lose right, Its aquires people to be better
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: than each other. You know, these two female stars are
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: competing over each other's audiences, regardless that they forgive each
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: other or kiss and make up, you know, and make out.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: They still are in competition with each other. That still exists, right,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: and it's the reason why they have got what they have.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: That competition is why they have the success they have
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: because without that competition, you don't have all of the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: ideas being thrown at the audience to find the one
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: that sticks. Okay, So it's like he has an issue
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: with seeing women in competition with each other. It's like
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the too mommies are fighting. It's like he doesn't want
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: to see that. But it's like, that's how women achieve,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: that's how women individuate, that's how women become themselves. And
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: he doesn't like that. Well that's on you, dude, Like
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: you deal with that shit, you know. I mean, after
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: watching this, I want to see Lord and Charlie get
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: into it in a freaking fight.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I want them to.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I want to see them assert their independence and their
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: autonomy right from each other, from other women in that realm.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I want to see them become their own people. Because
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: this is what he is actually against. And I don't
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: know if he knows he's against it, but this is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: what he's actually against. He's against the idea that women
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: differentiate from other women, that women be a heterogiant, heteroginas
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: hetero hetero.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: What are you saying, heatero. I'm put it in another way,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: put it another way.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: That women are not all the same thing, but not
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: homogenous homogeneous mass.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, hetero wasn't going to take you anywhere productive
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: not just keep it real gay. Okay, So this is
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the what's the time code? Oh, I gotta I gotta
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: super chow from Great Indoors. I'm want to read it
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: really quick. Uh five dollars and he says, Wait, if
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: resting bitch face is such an offense towards women, then
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: what is bratt or girl? I've heard from that one
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: actress that was a real life PhD, so you know
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: she's smart from the Big Bang theory that the world
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the word girl really is offensive towards adult human females.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: There is a shorter term for adult human female, but
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I guess that's reserved for a wider demographic. Now you
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: talking about the chick that you U spayed, Blossom. I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: can't remember her name, but she was on Big Bank there.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I don't watch that show. It sounds like trash. But
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: all right, thank you, great indoors for that, and yes,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: you have a point. And then zaring T was five
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: dollars and says he has created his own trap. Even
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: when he realizes his misstep, he won't realize how far
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: off the target he actually is from being the proper
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: venomous ally, that is to say, not an ally at all.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Read this in kroc Hunter voice for greater effect. Who's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: crock Hunter? Oh are you talking about?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Who are you talking about? The the guy, the crocodile
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: guy that passed away. I can't do Australian. Okay, So
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: there you go, Alison, you're muted. It seems.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let's finish. Let's do it. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh what time code am I?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Starting from UH nineteen forty six.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Right tree?
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  Speaker 3: Across the entire country, our public education system is failing
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: our students. It's failing working class and middle class kids
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: by telling them they do not deserve to have higher
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: cultural capital. Keep all of that at the top at Princeton,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: at Harvard. Make sure that all the people who understand
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Barnett Newman don't come from reasonable means. You know, the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: joy of life, of humanities and this source of power.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: So that's why I do this channel, okay, because I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: want to be able to share this stuff that I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: acquired through my own hard work, but also just because
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: I had a dad who went to Princeton, right, I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: mean not everyone has a dad who goes to Princeton.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Statistically a few people do, so.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Never I've never bragged about myself by referencing my dad.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: That is different. They can continue.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: The education system sucks because of the people who work there,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and they're all feminists. So I don't know how you're
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: going to unpack that one.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: If I learned these things and I share them, that's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: one way to help diffuse the way that this cultural
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: capital is kept and used as a tool to reinforce
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: wealth gaps and societal differences.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: Brat by Charlie XCX. How does it all tie in?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that I think that that, in my opinion,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: that is necessary to understand why this album is so
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: great because I think.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: That we're not going to be hit by copyright strike
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's yeah. I mean, what's she going
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to do? I mean, like, if it takes you forever
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: to make a point, that's not my fault. I mean,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: you know, this is how long is this time code?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Like, I think his point was that people don't have
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: access to libraries or something. Oh wait, other people don't
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: have fathers who went to Princeton.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Well, his first of all, he thinks that there's a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: problem with the fact that people are unequal. And this
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: is like a fundamental problem with people who think that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: equality is like the highest good because we aren't equal
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: and that should just be okay, And for most people
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: it is okay. You know. It's sort of like what
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: there's is this thing going on right now on the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: internet where people are all talking about the importance of
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: like high paying, high status tech jobs and engineering jobs
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and stem fields and all of that. And this is
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: something that we've been because feminists are always crying about women
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: not being in stem field and I'm I'm just sitting
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: here like, yeah, not everyone can do those things. What
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: about the overwhelming majority of people that are not high
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: skilled that want jobs and they are and they're perfectly
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: satisfied working with working class positions, you know, in stuff
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: that keeps the infrastructure running. And you don't learn that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: stuff in college because college doesn't really prepare people for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: the real world, and it hasn't been doing that for
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: a long time. The only thing it seems to do
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: is create activists, and once in a while one of
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: those people, or one or two of those people become like,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: you know, rich entertainers like Kanye West or something who
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: went to my school, you know, but like most people
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: who went to my school, they don't. They're they're just
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: working retail or something so, or they just married a
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: guy and they just pumped up bunch of babies and
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: they're like eight grand eighty thousand in debt. So I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: don't like people get into this whole thing about well,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: look at the education system. It's not serving people. Well, firstly,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: it's not serving boys. Firstly, it's serving girls better, but
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: it's not really serving either of them because again, when
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: women and men, women are the most educated group of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: people in the country, and most of them are not
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: doing anything with it except accruing debt, and ultimately they
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: marry a dude and they both end up paying off
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: her debt or he ends up paying off her debt.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: So the issue is that we overvalue education in general,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and we way overvalue the quality of education we currently get.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: And he is approaching this as though those things have
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: value and saying, well, we should be teaching people the
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: right things, but we're not even teaching people like kid
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: scores are in the toilet. If you look at the
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: kind of shit that a sixth grader had to do
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: in like nineteen ten, it was probably way more advanced
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: than it is today. So like we overvalue it, we
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: don't actually use it correctly. Most people don't make use
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: of it. You can learn everything you want to know
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: on the Internet. And I know the public Department of
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Education is panicking at that idea, and this guy who's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: like way behind the curve is still trying to convince
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: us that that means something. If you haven't guessed, I'm
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: a little resentful that I went to college because they
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything for me. Everything I learned about art,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: even I learn most of that on my own. So
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: why did I go to school because I was told to? Anyway?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sympathetic to that position.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did I play more of this?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Sure, I think that play it. Respect on it. I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: will listen and I'll give you my final analysis. But
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: in the interest of actually getting through this, I think
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: maybe i'll reserve comment to the end. The end is
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: at twenty eight minutes.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: So all right, yeah, I know this is gonna be long.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: Semes of the album. It's in praise of tastelessness. It's
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: in praise of tasteless people. It's in praise of people
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: who we often dismiss, even the form of the art itself.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: It's this questioning, you know, what is the value of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: I'm your number one one, I'm your number on?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Is their value in it? Or should we just let
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: it go? Should we just say no? Look down on it?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: And oh, also did you notice this? Did you notice?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: So that's the inside cover of Bratt.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: How dare you compare that album to Thriller? How fucking
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: dare you? Like? Are you kidding me? Dude? Okay, so
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: this dude appears to be celebrating this kind of this
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: kind of music as a deconstruction. Of course, it is.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: That's all we do now, guys. No, there's nothing new
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: under the sun. Everything has to just deconstruct. And so
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: these women this is why music is terrible on purpose
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: today because they're just deconstructing. It's postmodern and all of that.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: And then he goes, oh, look she's taking the Thriller album,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: which was like one of the best and highest grossing
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: best selling albums in all of music history. I'm sure
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: there's been some since, but I remember when this was
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: the record breaking thing to beat back then, and he's
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: saying it's just like that. Okay, all right, this guy's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: a music critic. I get it.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: It's both of them lying down on their sides.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that was on purpose, but that's
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: pretty cool. I do think Brett belongs in the discussion. Hello,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: he was the first to do it. If you know
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: who that was, tell me the comments.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, So, but the album's not only about that. Okay,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: if it was only about that, that'd be fine. It's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: also about her, but more importantly, it's about her life
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: as a pop star. So it's partly about like kind
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: of trashy, tasteless women and.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: The way they're perceived.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: And again, when I use the term trashy and tasteless,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: I'm intentionally using provocative terms because she is emphasizing their
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: humanity and value. But it's about being a sort of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: minor pop star.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a random, a random thing, you know,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: when I listen to music. The first time I listened
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: to it at the gym while I'm on the elliptical,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: and then I watch a movie on mute add never
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Been Diagnosed.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Can't be p.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: I was a little too old to get properly medicated, unfortunately.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: But the movie pop Star Never Stopped Never Stopping by
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: the lo on the Island starring Andy Sandberg came on,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: and I think this is a really good comp as well,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: because that's also a sort of funny look at people
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: who appear to be tasteless and finding their humanity, but
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: to actually tie it together to a more important one.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: More important.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Is this how these people operate like you put out
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: trash okay, because I get I listen to her music,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: it's trash. I don't know why people like it. And
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: I can't just chalk it up to me being old,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: because I can still appreciate stuff from any time. I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: just think it's bad. And then what happens is a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: person like this has to come out and they have
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: to weave a tale of postmodern comy gobbledegook to explain
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: why actually this is good and important and you're just
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: really like unintelligent, uncultured swine that doesn't actually get it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm getting from this. This is what's happening.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can subject myself to this,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: and like, who the fuck watches a movie? I'm mute,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: it's not adhd. You got something else you might I
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: mean syphilis, I don't know what it is. Who does that?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: And the Lonely Island and like the Lonely Island is
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: literally they make joke songs. It's like somebody like over
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: analyzing it, weird Al Yankovic and saying, oh, I see
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: he's speaking about the plight of Rwanda with his song
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: eat It because they were starving or something. Right, No,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: it's a joke song, that's it. Come on, man, I can't.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I can't stand like these rhetoraticians that come out and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: they like just like vomit talking points and post modern
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: comed gobbly good all over the place because they want
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: people to think that they're smart. Just it's exhausting. Why
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: did you subject me to this?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Eight what I just said? Sorry, okay, I.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Mean, I'm just I just I don't think I'm gonna
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: get anything.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry. I think you could have or the great endurers. Sorry,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: I think you could have narrowed it down.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: No, thriller is not tasteless thriller. So, like, here's another
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: thing I want to point out. This is and Okay, well,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: we can narrow this down and just make this about
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: this particular Brat album by Charlie XCX, But I think
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: this is an issue across the all of our art,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: not just music. It's all becoming self referential. It's all
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: about the self and self worship. That's why she's looking
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: in a mirror in the music video, that's why she's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: making music about music artists, and she's really just talking
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: about herself. That's what the Barbie movie was. That's what
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: all of this girl power, girl boss garbage is. It's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: all self referential or it's men giving those women what
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: they think they want in terms of making them into
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: goddesses and little idols for them to worship. And so
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: can't I can't say anything about this with any degree
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, Like I can't take it seriously.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: It's just Toddler level attention span bullshit. Women just talking
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: about themselves and they have to make up shit to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: be bothered by because their lives are actually too good
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: to complain about. Like again, won't someone think of the
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: pop star I just can't. I don't have it in me.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: I don't care you're rich, make good music. Michael Jackson,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, he was making music about stuff
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: like beat. It was about like where he grew up.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: It was like there were the gangs, and he was
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: making music about gang violence. And this was before like
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the rap artist came out like Nwa and you know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: did the same thing. He was doing it first, but
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: pop music. You know. He was like Thriller was like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: about you know, he liked horror films, so he wanted
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: to make something that was sort of a tribute to that,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: right the album I mean he made and he was
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: he he was all over the place. Like a lot
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: of artists, they almost exclusively sang about love and romance almost,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: but Michael Jackson was trying different things, you know. And
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean Billy Jean was about like some tabloids and
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: how you know, they were trying to frame him for
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: something or whatever, like they were. He was being attacked
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: by the media and and Michael Jackson was always fighting
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: with the media and music producers. And there are some
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: that say that the allegations that came out against him
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: were constructed. I mean, they were constructed by the music
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: companies in the media to destroy his reputation, destroy his
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: life because he was calling those people out because he
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: was he was trying to buy I think he was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: trying to buy the rights to the Beatles music from
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: I think it was Apple or something. There was like
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: this big legal battle and then he like died when
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: he was about to win. So like it was he's
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: not he wasn't doing I mean, it's pop yu music,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: which you could say is low brown because it's made
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: to appeal to as many people as possible, But that
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it was garbage music. You know, Like this
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: stuff is like the equivalent of a slam poem put
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: to a beat. I think slam poetry is the lowest
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: form of art personally.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, honestie, let me just let me just switch
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: up my dog cam to my other cam. Like the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: thing is that people have a lot of condemnation for
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: what they would consider low brow pop art, but if
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: you actually learn like the fundamentals of storytelling, it's it's
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: surprisingly well crafted, a lot of it. Like I mean,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: once you once you get to a certain point with
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: understanding storytelling, you can see even somebody like I I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: complain about jj Abrams, and in fact, I was I'm
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: still salty that on New Year or on Christmas, I
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: was about to be able to complain about jj Abrams
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: and then this person came in and made it all
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: about men playing games.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: You remember that, Yeah, I was there.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, what, I just wanted a bitch
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: about jj Abrams and you're bringing freaking men who we.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Should should have made the title appropriate, yeah jj Abram
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: jar j r Abrams bitch Fest instead of yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, but the thing is that jar jr Abram
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: actually does have certain skills that makes his stuff compelling.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: And until you can look past your personal taste, you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: really can't see the merit of a lot of things.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know what the hell it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: really sounds like to me based on what you're saying
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: brid that there is no actual merit to this album.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I'm I hadn't listen to the whole album. I just heard
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the one song. And but like, when I listen to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: this guy talk about it, he has to It's like
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: he can't talk about the music on what is actually there.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: So like let's say, you know, like let's say this,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: this is the music and this is all outside of
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: the music. He's got to talk about all of this
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: to make this matter, and and that's how I know
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: it's fake, because he's basically got to say, well, you
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: have to understand that we live in a patriarch capitalist society,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: American imperialism and materialism and blah blah blah blah blah
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: and patriarchy and that and heteronormativity and cis genderism and
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: all these other isms and obias, and that makes the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: song good. Actually, like at the end, if you absorb
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: all of this other crap, suddenly you're gonna appreciate this thing.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: And it's like no, because if it doesn't relate to
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: people immediately, then it isn't human. Then it doesn't work
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: because you're constructing a bunch of artificial garbage around it
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: to make it appear real so that we're fooled by it.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: But you're like constructing a similar crum of of like
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: the human experience. And the truth is is that a
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: woman who is, you know, a multi millionaire pop star
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: that everyone knows it, gets to travel and do interviews
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: and all of that, cannot make songs about herself and
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: have other people relate to it. It just isn't relatable,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: and so this guy has to make a bunch of
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: up to make it relatable.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was just as you were talking about that,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about how one thing that the church
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: did is we're talking about basically religious expression. Let's face it,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: like this is this is not about It's about making
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: everyone conform to a truth you can't question, just like
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of other religious stuff. But my point is
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: that despite that having that aim, a lot of religious
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: art actually pursues beauty. So it tries to present something
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: in a beautiful way with this kind of a message. Right,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: this is at least looking back throughout history that the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: church was commissioning these these beautiful things like architecture, artwork, music,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: like a you know, to to speak the word of God.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: And yet here we have it's like these people they
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: find a cow pat patty and they get a bunch
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: of toothpicks with sticky sticky notes on them, and they
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: write they stick them in the cow patty, and the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: sticky notes say this is a this is a commentary
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: on patriarchy, or this is a commentary on transphobia. And
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: then you're supposed to look at this cowshit, Smell the cowshit,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: palpate the cowshit, and say, oh, this is a glorious experience.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being elevated to the liminal through
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: this cowshit because of the sticky notes, like and it's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like this is it's an interesting process. It's it's something.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: It's it's a thing that's happening. It's one of the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: many things that have happened in history.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, I should we play the rest of this
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: because I do have to go soon. I think we
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: should just look okay.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: All right, I will try not to comment of World
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Cinema Agnes Vardes Cleo de Sanca set Cleo from five
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: to seven. I think is the actual like this album
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: when it's not about taste, it is about Cleo de
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: a set if you've never seen it, it's this great
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: movie about uh written and directed by a woman, about
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: a middle aged pop star.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: When I say middle age, I think she's like.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Thirty one.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Written and directed by a woman. Can you say the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: woman's name?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. It's you should watch it.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: I said, it's a woman, so you have to watch
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: it now. Guys, why are you a sexist? Or do
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: you hate women?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Well, she says, a written and directed by a woman?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: What's her name? What is her individual? Persona like?
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Who is her name? Is woman? Hear her? Roar hear her?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Produce the mass.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: The gelatinous massive woman has produced.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it clearly just doesn't remember her name, but he
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: knows it was done by a woman, and that's what matters.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: So or does it not matter?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Who lives a.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: Kind of silly, frivolous life, who makes kind of tasteless
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: pop songs, who thinks that she might have some debilitating disease,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: So it's about her life when she's waiting for her
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: test results, And it's just this wonderful meditation on like
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: womanhood and age and female solidarity and the life of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: a minor pop star.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: It all goes together so well.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: And when I'm not talking about things going together so well,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: like this album, like the first song connects to the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: last song, right, three sixty three sixty five, And I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: think this all goes together because the first song, three sixty,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, is about her, but it's also about
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: her universality, about the way people who see her.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, and also.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: The low, low effort narrative trick. Start where you began,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: and people will think you've made a story.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, grandoors, can can we not? Can we stop here?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: I think I get it?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. In foremost, I can't do it.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: I can't do I can't do it. Just give me
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: like that he has here there is like I'm just
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: dying inside. I'm dying inside what it's about her? But
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: I think we should all experience her. What listen to
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: the album and it starts where it ends. It's so
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: genius because it's a woman and that's all you need
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, So he has clarified the point he has
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: given us cement Brian So in other words, this way,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: the way this guy is talking about the album is
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: a kin to the lefty meme walls of text explaining
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: the meaning of crap you see on the screen.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they because it's not based in real truth.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Like the beautiful is it's the Yeah, the beauty is okay,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: and and beauty is also human and it is like that,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: it's universal. We all know it when we see it. Okay.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: If you have to like convince us that what we're
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: looking at is actually not shit, then it's shit. Like
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: you have to talk us into it with rhetoric and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: like spin and all of this, And that's what he's doing.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: That's why it takes him this This is he's reviewing
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: an album. It takes an hour and twenty one minutes
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: because he has to post the meme, which is essentially
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: him reading it out.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's that's exactly what I was saying with
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: my cow Patty analogy. Yeah, cow Patty is beautiful because
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: of all the sticky notes that have been applied to it,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: all of the context and deconstruction. It's like, no, it's
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: it's a cowshit. It can be very useful if it's
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: well rotted, but it's still a cowshit, Like this is
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: still crap. Why don't any of you think that you
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: should do what the church did, which was used beauty
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: to express truths, at least truths in the context of
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: that religion, right, Why don't you do that? Is it
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: because you guys are actually in a war with merit
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: because somehow you're terrified of an aspect of yourself that
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: strives and achieves and can fail or making mistakes or
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: being wrong? Like what is the what is? And this
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: is the thing, like the left can't mean, and I
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I want to call this the left.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: These people who basically function by exclusion, they can't mean
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: because they can't trust their audience, like they have to
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: do a wall of text, because they have to control
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: any possible interpretation that might be outside of their hands.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: You can get what I mean. They have to close
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: off all the doors. The audience must come to a
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: very specific conclusion. That's why they have to write an encyclopedia.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: If Bratt was.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: A beautiful piece of work, you wouldn't need an hour
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: and twenty minutes to explain why it's worthwhile. Everybody would
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: regard it as worthwhile because it had merit, because it
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: was like Kate Bush. She had her own unique style,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: her own unique things she wanted to say. No one
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: would say that her albums lacked merit, even though she
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: was quirky, you know, because you know they had something
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: to say, and you could see the passion and what
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: she had to say and how she pursued developing her voice.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: You don't need an encyclopedia to explain the worth of
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Kate Bush or Whitney Houston or Share or even early Madonna.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Like you don't need an encyclopedia to explain the worth
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: of their work because they have worked hard to make
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: it beautiful and accessible, right, like this is, this is
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: and why do you people not why? Like you point
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: and this is my point. You point to the.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: Christians and you're like, oh, the history of the Church.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: They're all tyrannical.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: But at the very least when they were trying to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: explain themselves, Christians did it beautifully. Like they made beautiful architecture,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: they made beautiful literature, liturgical chants, they made beautiful art.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, have you ever seen the Sixteenth Chapel. I've
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: never seen something like it in my life. When you
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: go there and you look up, it is like you
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: are looking into another reality. It is unbelievable.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: And that was commissioned by the church to do. Why
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: can't you do that? Like?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: What is it?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: What is the problem with our current religious fanatics. I'm
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: not gonna say religious, I'm gonna say religious fanatics, the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: left religious fanatics that they completely eschew the idea of
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: incorporating their truths or alleged truths into beauty. Can you
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: get what I'm saying, what I'm frustrated about.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, like it's it's like they hate beauty itself.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: But why why do you hate beauty? Why do you
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: want beauty to be in the sticket notes?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I'm all like really out of time,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: but oh yeah, screen indoors says something about playing a
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: one minute clip. Yeah, so I will, we'll just we'll
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: just do that, I guess. No, I gotta find it.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Whereas the video that you sent me, I did, and
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I closed the tab because I'm trying to save my
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: computer's ram. Okay, so.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Forty five seconds to three minutes thirty two seconds, all right, all.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Right, okay, all right, I'm gonna play it from here.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: Interestingly, you know, my daughter is a huge Billie Eilish fan.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: That's I commissioned that painting by velvet geek. Look him
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: up on Facebook on Instagram. He does black velvet paintings
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: of pop icons.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: Now I got that for her for Christmas.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Not a woman, huh.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Huge fan that's supposed to be a Is that supposed
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: to be Billie Eilish?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really look like her, but it doesn't look
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: like her.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because the thing is with the hyper realistic art.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people like it, but in
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: some ways.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: It's her features are too sharp and she's like jawed
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: up like a Ubisoft game, like modern video game. She's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: a modern video game woman, square jaw. Okay, Billy Eiland's
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of like got a baby face in a way,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: and she looked really sleepy all the time.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: All the album owns of Billie Eilish Uculely all that,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: and so we've been talking about this and then she
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: sent me a message saying, Dad, have you compared it
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: to a Super Freaky Girl by Nicki Minaj.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: I'm such a progressive dad.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't think, Oh my god, my daughter is listening
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: to super Freaky Girl by Nicki Minaj. I'm a proud
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: poppy because I hear that, and I go.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: He's super progressive. It's the only way to be. It
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: makes you a better person than everybody else, don't you know.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Oh No, But it's just like I'm I'm hip and
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: with it. I'm hip with the youngster. I'm like, I'm
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: super progressive dad. I'll let I'll let my daughter have
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: just have sex with one hundred men in one day?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: What? Oh okay?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: Media analysis, Right, they're understanding the value, you know, how
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: important it is to be graphic with the sexual female
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: desire and power.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: Anyways, that does what.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: How old is your daughter? Dude? That's yeah, exactly, Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I guess she like fourteen or something like what?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping that. Oh, let's see he might Yeah, jesus,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: he's in his forties. Maybe she's in her twenties, because
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: that's sort of can we can we just go back?
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Little what that doesn't say? He doesn't say how old
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: she is?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, just go back. I want to hear exactly
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: what like about three twenty three twenty.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting out of here.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, the analysis, right, they're understanding the value, you know,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: how important it is to be graphic with the sexual
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: female desire and power. Anyways, that doesn't really matter because
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: this song.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: What it does sexual female power.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: In the context of your daughter. Goody fetish man. All right,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: I think I'm done here.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Let's let's ten seconds left. Let me just play the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: ten seconds Is.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: It going to happen?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: Is so minimal because it's not even that the lyrics
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: are really different. The original song itself, you know, produced
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: by Dare sort of famous, kind of sleezecore guy is
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: really raw and there's like one verse that's repeated.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that was the time code that he
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: gave me, So I guess that's what we wanted to hear.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: Three minutes and thirty two seconds. Yeah, I think we
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: heard that we needed to hear.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: I was just being humorous when I said that this
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: is the kind of progressive dad who'd give her his
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: daughter a high five for taking one hundred dicks in
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: a night. But I didn't realize. I think I was right,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: And I really don't like this dynamic guys. Yeah, Like
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like listening to a father talk about his
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: daughters needing to be his desire, needing to be validated
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: and progressive and out in the open. There's just something
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit unsettling about this. Oh grain indoors, I
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: think his daughter is indeed underaged.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: All right, Okay, well.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: That is one of the videos on YouTube one hundred
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: and forty three thousand subscribers. Yep, all right, all right, okay,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: well that that that is something that we watched. Okay, uhuh.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: We got through three videos, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: just do this really quick. I don't know what I
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: can add to that. I have a lot of stuff
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: in my mind.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to unpack.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: You know, i'd personally as a daughter, I'm glad my
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: father is a ship lord sort of like me, But
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think i'd want him to publicly say things
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: like this about me. I think I would find that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: very uncomfortable and intrusive. But be that as me. Leave
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: it there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, you're right, you're right. Sorry, I just I'm
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: a little discombobulated by that. Can can we just go back?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Can we go like a few modesty steps back? Would
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: that be possible?
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  Speaker 1: No, we have to liberate. We haven't liberated hard enough.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: We have to liberate more, but only women.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we liberate women, and they allow women to do
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: whatever they want, and then we blame men for like
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: this is the thing, Like, we've liberated women, so we
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: get people like Lily who have who sleep with one
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: hundred men in a day, and then we blame the men.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Mm hm.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Why is it that liberating women always seems to come
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: with blaming men for the consequences. It seems like it's
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: not very very what is the right word for it,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: It is not very long term sustainable.
• 1:56:39
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  Speaker 2: So let's keep going. And uh, yeah, it's this is
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: definitely a good video to succeed on because obviously patriarchy
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  Speaker 2: makes us successful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're right.
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  Speaker 2: We're on the winner's podium, as it were, because of patriarchy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I'm sorry, I don't know where. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to conclude this. Don't sexualize your daughters.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I'll just take it and take us out. Then
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  Speaker 1: all right, Well, if you guys liked this video, I
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  Speaker 1: you guys think about what we discussed on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: I think I just have the link to the one
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  Speaker 1: video because I didn't know we were gonna respond to others,
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  Speaker 1: but I you can find the other ones on the channel,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on today's episode of
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  Speaker 9: Men's ride activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 9: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 9: deal with, especially if you have, like especially if you
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  Speaker 9: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 9: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked