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Episode 63 Part I feat. The Brushback Crew - Recapping The World Series, Blue Jays Aggressive Off-season, Mets and Yankees unusual off-season · Sports Avenue Twisted Podcast

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None. Welcome to another edition of
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the Sports Ave. Twisted podcast.
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We have another special edition of a roundtable regarding the
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MLB and the offseason. And we have two of our favorite
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guests as returning this roundtable.
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And they are, they are the tag team of the Brushback Podcast.
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Jay Jackson, Trayvon Robinson, welcome back, man.
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We appreciate you guys being here and thank you once again
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for being around. Thank you guys, man, for having
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us, man. It's always a blast, you know,
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getting on here and, you know, and just talking ball.
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Yeah, for sure. Glad to be here.
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Appreciate you guys for having us once again.
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Looking forward to the discussion.
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Yeah, thanks for coming back guys.
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It's it's been a while. So since the last time we had
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you on, we're excited. There's a lot going on.
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Been a busy offseason so far. So we're excited to get what
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your guys thoughts on everything that's going on.
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So if you want to, let's get into it or let's let's go.
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Yeah, for. Sure.
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All right. So let's talk about the World
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Series here. And with the World Series, we
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saw two big markets, big market teams.
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And I think some of us here had the Blue Jays going to the World
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Series winning. And I think most of us had the
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Dodgers and some of us had Milwaukee.
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But Milwaukee got swept by the Dodgers, but it was the Dodgers
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versus the Blue Jays. And some people think it was one
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of the best World Series. People witness and and it came
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down to the wire and we saw two games that were in extra innings
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that went the distance basically.
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So I'll start off with you, Jay. So what were your thoughts about
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the World Series and thinking that the Jays were really good
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throughout the most part, but the Dodgers coming out in clutch
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moments winning the World Series?
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I mean, ultimately it just shows that, you know, they've been
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there before and the lights didn't get too bright for them.
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You know, there's just a couple key, key, key moments for the
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Jays that you know, they could have wanted in multiple,
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multiple occasions where they didn't and it came back to bite
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them. So you look at it as you know,
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you if you learn, they'll be back there again.
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Hopefully. It's going to be tough going
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through the AL East and going through the whole American
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League again. But I think with the team they
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have, depending on what happens with the boat and if they sign
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one more guy and just seeing how that pitching stuff ends up
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panning out, let's have another chance and hopefully they learn
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from it. It shows that, you know, that's
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why the Dodgers pay their guys the most as much money as they
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do. Right, Trevor?
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Yeah. Yeah, like I always say, man,
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like the the Dodgers, when they're in that situation more
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times than anybody of late, you know what I'm saying?
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This is like how the Yankees were in, you know, in the early
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2000s, nineties and all that stuff.
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They're they're, they just know how to play in that atmosphere.
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They know how to, you know, realign people, platoon guys
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when they need the platoon guys who who would thought that, you
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know, Miguel Rojas would be like one of the superstars.
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I mean that I mean the big guy that deduce to to actually put
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the nail on the coffin in the World Series.
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But I, I, I think they just they they've been there before for so
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long. And and what I'm really excited
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about is that the Blue Jays they didn't give in.
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Like you don't say that it was a good it was a good team.
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They had some free agents, they had some big guys, but most of
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that team was kind of home grown man.
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So but they they're in they're in the varsity division and they
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ran through that division like you know what I'm saying?
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Like they, I'm, I'm excited for him.
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I'm excited that it shook up a lot of stuff that it made it
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made the AL East a little bit more like way more competitive.
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And, you know, like what Jay said, like what they're going to
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do with bowl, what they're going to do with a couple of free
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agents. You know, they made a couple of
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splashes already. But do do I think they need a
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lot? I don't know if they need a lot,
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but they need some key pieces to, to see if they can repeat
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the performance they put on last year and the performance they
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put on. That was a hell of a year for
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them. So they they should never, you
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know, hold their head, you know, any, any, any Blue Jays fan,
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because that was, that was exciting.
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I, I don't think you would have got that out of any other AO
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team that would have went against the Dodgers because, you
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know, they probably would have just folded.
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You know, we see what happened with the Yankees win against the
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Dodgers. You know, it was, it was one
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saying that it was like 1 sided. It was just, you know, it meant
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more to the Dodgers than it did to Yankees.
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You know, or, or, or I mean, maybe it's just in my opinion,
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but I just I just think that it was it was definitely in the
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Dodgers favor just because they're fundamentally sound and
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they've been there before for multiple times, you know.
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You know, I said, I said multiple times during the World
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Series that I believe that that Manfred and and Major League
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Baseball got their money's worth when they had the Blue Jays in
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the World Series. Because you just saw a team that
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that they were like a team of destiny, even even when they
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played, when they played in the in the championship series
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against against the Mariners, another team that was really,
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really good throughout the whole year.
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And you got it in a great series that came right down to the end
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and happened the same way. And you brought up some good
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points about the Dodgers winning at all because they weren't
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afraid of the big moments. They came up clutch when you
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need it most. And and like you said, Trayvon,
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that the Jays just didn't back down.
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They showed fight the entire way they come out.
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They took the first swing at the Dodgers and really shocked
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everybody when they blew him out in game one.
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And Treya Savage comes up big rookie pitching for the first
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time the playoffs and he doesn't look fazed at all.
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There's just, you know, there's just a lot to to really and,
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and, and if you look at it, there was really one guy that
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they couldn't beat throughout the whole series.
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And it was Yamamoto, you know, the highest paid pitcher, the
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guy that they paid all that money to.
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And you just, it was the one guy that the Blue Jays just couldn't
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crack. And it's fitting that he pitched
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in that extra inning scenario, you know, and then, of course,
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like you said, Rojas comes up with that big home run.
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But the Jays, you know, it, it really sucked that they were two
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outs away from winning at all. As a Jays fan, it just broke our
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hearts to see that. But I think they'll be back for
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sure. You know, as long as you know,
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they've had a an aggressive offseason already showing that
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like they they had that taste in their mouth and they want it
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back. So let's hope, you know, let's
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hope they can, they can do whatever it takes to get back
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because you never know when you're going to get back, right
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so. No, no, you're, I think you're
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absolutely right. You know, they're not a a
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regular, they're not a regular bird over there.
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You know, they're carnivore right now.
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You know, just the just the way they play that the the way they
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played against the way they played against the Dodgers, man
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like, you know, they savage came up there and you know, he he was
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he that was outstanding man. Like just for him to just think
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about what he just did like at that year, like he, he started
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an 8 ball, he started an 8 ball all the way to the big leagues
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and he was in the Wolves series, like you know what I'm saying?
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So I, I think that they have a star in him.
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I think that they're going to have to eventually start trying
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to talk about some locking up extension.
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You know what I'm saying with him, because I mean, Jay, what
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do you think they're going to have the extension talks in the
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next year or two just to. Try to keep all that money,
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Jesus. I didn't think that they should
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have gave Cease that much like they're too.
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Right here. Agree.
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Yeah, man, I agree with you, Jason.
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We talked about that in Taiwan, yeah.
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I'm telling you, I'm I'm a huge James fan and I just thought I
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was just like, they didn't really get that much money, did
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they? Cause again, I keep it like
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this. The reason he took it this early
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and in the offseason is because that was his best offer.
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Nobody else is probably even close to that.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, I might, I might be the only Jays fan, Jay,
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that doesn't like that deal, man, I feel.
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Like something that, like, he should, like, see, shouldn't get
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paid and that he's not a great pitcher.
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But I guarantee you that nobody else was putting that out there
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right now, too. Like, he set the market for the
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offseason and was he the best pitcher, like starting pitcher
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of the offseason? Like, yes, pro.
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But if I was the Blue Jays, with the starting pitchers I had on
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staff, the starting pitchers that I could possibly sign, I
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would have went after the two lefties instead of peace.
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Just the balance of the rotation.
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To balance out the rotation, one cease to doesn't have that great
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of a record apparently against the AL ES.
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Yeah, it's also he's going up to nothing but cold weather.
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Like people don't take all these things into account.
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Like I get I love Pete Walker and I love like playing in the
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Dome and all that, but like, I think they should have gave that
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money to Bo and then got one of the left.
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That was my honest gut feeling that I was hoping was going to
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happen. And I didn't want to say it at
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first, but I was like, OK, you do that and then you go get Cody
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too. And I'm just like, man, bro,
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you're you're you're doing a lot.
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They want to be aggressive and they have some holes to fill in
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the rotation, but they're doing a lot.
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And I love them to death and I love the team and I love like
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them being aggressive. But I think that they could have
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won a different route and still got the same account, in my
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opinion. But we'll see how it pans out.
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That's why I'm not in the front office and that's why I'm off.
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Well, well, let's talk about that though.
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Let's talk about the Blue Jays aggressive offseason and his
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starting with CS. How do you guys feel like it's
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gone so far for them? And do you do you feel like the
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moves that they've made so far, do you think that there's more
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to come? Do you think that they're
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they're not done? Do you think that Tucker's in
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play, you know, all the rumors you're hearing and everything
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else? Do you think that this is just
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the beginning? I think the only position where
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you should go after was Bo. You know, I think they're spent
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so much money on on seas, like Jay said, telling me that you
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can't even open a door for Tuck. Like you're going to be so much
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over. Like you're going to, you're
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going to have to, if you sign Tuck for a long term deal,
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you're going to sign Tuck for a long term deal.
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You're going to have to dump that contract in three years if
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you guys don't win a World Series in the next three years.
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Yes, I must. Yeah, I'm.
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It's just. It's just for me, like I get it
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and I understand why because you have to go all in right now, but
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the all in play I don't think was given C7.
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That's what I didn't see coming. That was a shock to me.
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And like I said, for him to take it this early in the offseason,
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I was like, oh, ha, yeah, that means that was his best offer
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that he had by a shot. Yeah, yeah.
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That's the only thing that I can think of, right?
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Am I wrong? That's not wrong.
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Wow, so fast. Yeah, we're talking about in
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Taiwan. Well, like, right?
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I was like, that means you didn't have anything else on the
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table that was close to that. You, you don't.
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You know what the crazy part about it?
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So I was told from people that ceased to the Cubs was a done
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deal, but the Jays came out of nowhere and just threw up a
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crazy offer like nobody touched 200.
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And I mean, how, how can you pass up on that, especially
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with, with how, how can you right.
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I, I, I'll be honest with you, this is the most shocked
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offseason I've seen. You know, I've been I've been a
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Jays fan for extremely long time.
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And I know we could talk about the 90s and stuff, but this is a
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different type of offseason. I never witnessed like they go
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get seats in that amount. And we're going to talk about
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the remaining starting pitchers. No one has signed yet, Trades
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have haven't happened. We'll talk about that.
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We and then Cody Ponce, they felt like him having a
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revelation in Korea being the MVP become becomes a guy and
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they give him that kind of money feeling like they needed some
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sort of long term. Yeah, yeah.
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And and they they want to give like long term maturity because
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they know that Bieber and Gozman are free agents next offseason.
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But you know, what shocked me the most too, was Tyler Rogers
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getting three years for that kind of money for 37 1/2.
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And I get the market because you saw what Edwin Diaz got.
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And we're going to go, we're going to talk about about all
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this. But like, it's crazy to think
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what the Jays are doing. And I think this is their
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motive. They went after Otani two years
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ago. They were willing to give that
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money. That didn't happen.
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They went after one Soto last Aussie.
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They're willing to give out that money.
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And some people, there's rumors think that he gave the highest
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offer, but he ended up going to the Mets.
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And I feel like this is the Aussie.
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They feel like, OK, we're going to go spend all this and we're
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going to do what it takes to get there.
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But there's nothing that's guaranteed in baseball.
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And I get it. I get all that and look, nobody
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expected the Jays to do what they did.
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And so far they haven't really traded, done any trades yet
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besides that one trade yesterday with the Tiger.
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I'm curious to see what they're going to do with the trade
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market, what else they're going to do and how they're going to
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operate because I feel like this team is so motivated, like
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they're they're going to do whatever it takes because
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there's no certainty after 26 with the CBA expiring.
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But I just think that they seem like they have all this money to
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spend. So, I mean, it's not my money.
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I've just I just hope that the Jays make another run next next
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year in 26. That's all I'm asking, right?
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So. I think, I think again, that
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they could have just played it differently though.
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If they had that much money to spend, you could have played it
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differently. Like for me, if I was in that
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situation, I would have went again, like you said, if that's
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the case and they were just like nobody was close to 200, like I
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like I guessed it and I was right about it.
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And then if nobody was close, then you could have easily spent
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that money on Bo, gave Bo what he needed to stay as the first
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priority to show Bo that he's the first priority.
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Get Bo then go get one of the lefties and then see how much
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money you have leftover and get that to tough.
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Yeah, Yeah, I, I do. I want I want to know, I want to
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know what's their budget because it seems like right, because I
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don't know what the budget is, right.
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But if they feel like they could still get Bo and you know, Bo's
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still a free agent out there and the market's not out there.
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And I think that I don't know what Bo wants to play.
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He still wants to play the shorts up.
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We know that for a fact. And I know that a lot of people
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classify him as a second baseman and third base because of his
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defense is, is going to regress it while it's already below
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mediocre. And I, I think that they're
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going to, I don't know if they get Tucker or Bo, but if they're
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going to do it, they have to do trade routes.
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But I think Bo is a realistic shot of Brick coming back.
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I think they're, they, they don't seem like they're shying
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away from spending. It seems like they're going to
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continue to spend the way the reports are out there.
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Let's see what the payroll is going to look like.
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Because I know that they're upset from losing, you know, in
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the World Series being 2 outs away from winning the whole damn
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thing, right? So it's fascinating to see what
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the Jays do because like, they're the talk of the town.
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And I know that Baltimore's being another team that's
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aggressive as well. And I know the AL East is still
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the best division. A lot of teams in that division
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are are spending and they're being aggressive this offseason,
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right? So.
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Yeah, they're going to have to make a move in the in the trade.
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They're going to have to make it.
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If they get bold, they're going to have to trade, they're going
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to have to make a trade because they're going to spend all their
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if they get tucked, they're going to spend so much, bro, and
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they're going to be, it's going to have to be in the first three
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years. They're going to have to win.
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If they don't win, then they're going to have to dump all those
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guys. I, I don't that's not, that's
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actually not fair to the, the Vlad too, but that's not fair to
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Vlad. If you're going to, if you're
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going to, if you're going to drop ball, like what Jay said,
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Jay actually said this and I was like, damn, that makes so much
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sense. You should have locked him up at
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the same time, it would have been cheaper because the amount
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of money like you're saying is like where the hold on, Damn,
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that makes so much sense right there.
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Now they're spending more money now and you gave 200 to CS,
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which is like Congrats, CS, like I'm I'm not, you know, I'm just
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saying they should have got a lefty.
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They should have got a lefty, they should have got a lefty
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when they did that. But like now you're going to
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like now you got a another righty in the rotation, which
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you probably you probably need some type of balance.
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And then now you got who who you going to trade?
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Like what if Bo goes to the let's just say the pirates?
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I don't know, like that's very weird of me to say that.
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But let's just say that he goes to the pirates.
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Who you're going to get You have anybody in the minor leagues
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that's going to fill that position.
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Do you have any? Is there anybody on the trade
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block that can? I mean, if you do that, then
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you're going to have to go get Marte.
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Then you're going to have to like try to move Marte to center
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on 2nd on shortstop or this. You're going to have to do
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something. Are you going to get Abrams?
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Like you're going to have to trade for somebody to fill that
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hole. Out of you, right?
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They have Jimenez though. Yeah, right, would be the guy
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playing, but you still. Need another infielder that has
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an impact like like bowl like you need some, you need a bat
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like you're going to have to get.
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You're going to have to get a bat like a good one.
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Maybe they're relying on Ernie. Ernie.
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Ernie can. He play short.
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Ernie had a yeah, I he could play multiple position, but I
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think yeah, I think I, I don't know that I feel, I feel like
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there's a trade coming for the Jays.
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I've been telling people there's And The thing is that I got to
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make a room to sign Rogers too. I feel like a trade's coming.
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I think they're going to clear some spots, it seems like,
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because I know they're trying to improve the team and they know
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that they have a lot of work to do and but they were so close to
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winning the the whole damn thing with what they had, right?
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So hey, hey, hey, why? I know why.
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The first priority, like for me, like why is your first priority
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not Bo? Like that makes me think that
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like if I'm Bo in a certain like if I'm thinking as a player and
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thinking selfishly, it's like damn like.
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You didn't want me first and I've been here the whole time
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and I came back from an injury to come play in the World Series
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and almost helped you win this thing and I'm not the first
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priority like. Bro, he is not leaving Canada
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without his ink on a piece of paper.
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Bro he's gone. If I'm him, I'm like, yo, unless
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you give me the bag right now, I'm out.
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I mean, even even though the Jays lost bro Jay, oh you guys,
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I am not letting Bo leave it. Just leave Canada without
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signing a piece of paper bro. If, if, if what I guess is right
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and what they said is right, and the Jays just threw this money
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at Cease after nobody was even close to this offer, then what's
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that look like to Bo? Yeah.
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That's the question I'm trying to get to you.
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Like think about like selfishly as a player.
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If you saw that and you're like, you really just gave this man
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all this money. Like, I mean, what what was what
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was like, let's let's let's talk about this.
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What was Bo? What was his value going into
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like what was his projection going into the offseason?
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Was it like 181 one 7180? Yeah, it was like 180 to like
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200. Anywhere around there.
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Two $20 million more for a starting pitcher.
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Which you probably. Really did not say that you
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didn't need. Not saying you didn't need, but
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kind of needed a lefty more than that.
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Like you know what I'm saying? This is what I wanted to bring
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up to you guys. Yeah, because I think you're
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right. And I've been saying about them
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like they don't have a lefty in their rotation.
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Now. They went out and got Cody
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Ponce, another guy who added a splitter to his arsenal.
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Now they got three guys now that throw splits.
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And we all know like the splitter is like reverse, you
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know, on righties and lefties right to get left to get, you
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know, you know what I'm saying, right to get lefties out right.
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So do you think that that's affecting their reasoning not
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going and getting a lefty and they figure out we got three
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guys to throw splitters, you know, in their rotation now like
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I? Gotta have a lefty, dude.
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You're still gonna have a lefty. With you, I couldn't agree more.
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I'm just trying to understand it from what they're thinking.
22:12
You know I. Feel like you have too many guys
22:14
that have the same repertoire. Same thing dude, I agree.
22:17
I agree. You guys have like you started
22:19
adjusting too much. I feel like it's hitters, you
22:21
start seeing it too much and then you start being like, OK,
22:24
well it should work well. You just saw it the day before.
22:29
Yeah, right, I agree, right. Everybody looks the same, like
22:33
like that's how it is with like what I'm tripping about about
22:37
that's just what's what's old boy name the big dude from of
22:41
the Dodgers, big boy glass now. So glass now is like, you know,
22:45
he doesn't go east and West. Everything's North and South.
22:47
Big curveball, high ride fastball.
22:50
I think he has a change up, but it doesn't have a lot of hurls
22:53
on a brake. So he just stays in the middle
22:54
of the plate. He's either going to be at your
22:57
chest or it's going to be knee high like you know what I'm
22:59
saying? So it's not like it's not like
23:02
it's going to be you know, these are big leaguers, so they're
23:05
going to have the scouting report to where OK, you know,
23:08
they get one guy. They're not going to go far off
23:10
from the first side that they got off like they got on, you
23:13
know what I'm saying? So they're going to make their
23:15
adjustments and stuff like that. You, you, you definitely, I
23:17
mean, I would I would just tell when you all right, when do you
23:19
guys got to bang a split? Y'all got throw a change up or
23:21
something like a slur? This is Arsenal too.
23:25
It is more north-south than anything too.
23:27
Just like everybody else's fastball split combo.
23:30
Sees sees his NS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:35
I faced him a long time ago. I mean, I mean, this is better
23:37
before you got to the big leagues, but yeah, well, no, you
23:43
have to. I mean, you have to be able to
23:44
make that balance you got. You need you need lefties.
23:46
There's a reason why I left-handed hitters are very
23:49
valuable lefties. Lefties are allowed to throw
23:52
more balls than right-handed pitchers.
23:57
I mean, I would have probably tried to make some make
24:00
something happen and try to get on scuba, you know, if before I
24:05
if. I would have went friend.
24:09
Friend make friend makes so economical sense though.
24:13
That's like, that's the guy I was thinking of.
24:15
I would have went straight and as Chris, I would have went
24:18
straight to Saint Chess but or swears.
24:20
I would be like, yeah, but what? What's it going to take chief?
24:24
Because, like, he's dirty, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:27
He's Framberg didn't take it. I would have went straight to my
24:31
second, my second stop and I would have threw everything else
24:34
at him that I needed to get him done and been done with done,
24:37
done with that and been able to lock in another.
24:41
I could have locked in a person like Cody or I could have locked
24:43
in another back end rotation guy that's in the back of the free
24:47
agent market like a Soroka or something like that for Chief
24:52
and kept and kept the veteran presence there too.
24:55
And people that you truly know and know what they do.
24:59
And then if you want to go get seeds, you can get seeds.
25:01
But again, you still have enough money leftover to truly get
25:05
tougher. Well what about Ranger Rangers
25:08
out there too bro. Like Ranger, Is Ranger a little
25:11
bit younger than Framer? Yeah.
25:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he would have been, he would
25:16
have definitely been a five year plus guy, but.
25:20
Yeah. What, 7 years?
25:21
Yeah, yeah, he wants 7 years. He's a Boris guy too.
25:25
He was the guy I wanted all along, was Suarez.
25:28
Now, now, did Ranger? Is Ranger worth 7 years?
25:33
I think so, because of his age and what he's done.
25:35
You know what I'm saying? Would you rather give?
25:37
Would you rather give Cease? Well well, CS got the 200 or
25:41
whatever. Would you rather give Ranger
25:43
that money? I don't know.
25:47
Then CS Tough to say that's tough.
25:49
I wouldn't have gave Ranger that month.
25:51
I would have Ranger again. I would have, I would have gave
25:55
Ranger, like I said, probably like 150 or 170.
25:59
I was going to say that too. Yeah, that's what I was going to
26:01
say, 150. Yeah, that makes sense.
26:05
You know what I mean? I would have gave him that but
26:08
but. Or Framber.
26:10
With that being said, I would have gave them that much and
26:14
then like I said, you could have went and got somebody else, you
26:17
could have got another. You could have still gave you
26:20
could have gave Cody a little bit less than that and then
26:22
still got another starter to go with and lock in the whole
26:26
rotation easily and have enough money for sure to have both.
26:32
I, I still, I still feel like the Jays need a closer.
26:35
I don't know, because The thing is like you saw the, the way the
26:39
playoffs happened, the way Jeff Hoffman gave up all those home
26:42
runs throughout the year. I think that's something.
26:44
They're going to have to figure. Out as well, yeah, yeah,
26:49
Hoffman, I mean to say. This about Hoffman though.
26:51
Rocky. He was good in the playoffs
26:53
until that last. He was, yeah.
26:55
Like he he really gets up so. If one pitch that was really
27:00
one, it's one pitch. Right.
27:03
I mean. It was that was that was a that
27:04
was a most that was the probably the most weird pitch.
27:07
I I probably would have thrown throw Miguel Rojas.
27:10
Miguel Rojas is not known for his power.
27:12
I I'm not going to speed his bat up.
27:13
I'm just going to throw that 9697 wherever I got Adam, like
27:17
beat me. If you're going to beat me, beat
27:19
me. But I mean, this is this is
27:20
second guessing right now, but he was dominant.
27:25
He was dominant all year. Like he was doing his thing,
27:27
like you know what I'm saying? So.
27:29
Him and Louis Varland in the playoffs really stepped up.
27:32
I mean, I mean, they were really, really good.
27:35
And like you said, it was just one pitch.
27:39
Nah, I'll keep him right there where he does he does everybody
27:42
need like a little bit of a veteran presence.
27:44
Yeah, for sure. If you want to go get another
27:46
backing guy, Yeah. I mean, Hoffy because of because
27:50
of one pitch, you can't deem his whole his whole existence
27:53
because of one pitch. Like I think he still did an
27:56
outstanding job throughout the whole the whole 2025 year.
28:00
Bro I'm looking at it right now. Ranger supposedly was in the mix
28:05
for five years at like 1:15. So you could have went and got
28:08
Ranger because it says Framber was slated for like what?
28:17
These are just predictions like 5 year 150, but like these are
28:21
the predictions right now. So and at first it was predicted
28:25
that cease was I think 7 year 189 or something like that.
28:30
And then that got blown out of the water.
28:32
But you see what I'm saying? Like you could have easily
28:34
wouldn't got Ranger and you could have wouldn't got Bow.
28:37
And then honestly, if you don't go get Tuck, you could have
28:41
easily when it got Cody. You could have easily when it
28:46
got Cody and spent all that money on three or four and then
28:50
had money leftover to either get Cody or get somebody like let's
28:56
see who's on. Here you.
29:00
Could have winning guys. You probably could have went and
29:03
got Galen or Mike or Michael King.
29:09
There's some guys out there bro. You know.
29:11
What I mean like. Yeah, we're there for you to do
29:15
more than what was done. They just, I feel like you said
29:19
they just have money to spend and they just felt like they
29:21
need to be really aggressive. But I feel like they didn't put
29:24
the aggressiveness in the right places because if they wanted to
29:28
lock it in and have money safe to have people around Gladdy for
29:31
the next couple years, then you lock Bo up first, honestly for
29:36
like I said, like you like both for eight years at like 8 years
29:41
of probably like 200. Probably honestly, you like him
29:44
up for eight for 200. And then you have him and bow
29:47
there for you have laddie and bow there forever.
29:50
And then you go get Ranger for five for 1:20.
29:55
You go get Cody for four for 100 or something like that or and
30:03
then you go get again like Michael King for like 4 for 100
30:07
or something like that and you go stable.
30:09
You still, you're still in there.
30:10
You talk about belly, right, Bellinger?
30:12
Yeah. Bellinger, yeah, he's still.
30:15
Free and then therefore you're probably out on, but right now
30:19
what I was looking at is Tuck was projected Tuck's projected
30:22
like 11 year like 400 right now. I don't know.
30:26
If you got you really somewhere bro.
30:29
Already out of Tuck? Really.
30:32
I have to see what this team does.
30:34
There's. I think there's a lot of work to
30:36
be done. We'll see, I feel.
30:38
Like position players, like they have their.
30:40
Position players that I think that's next.
30:42
They don't. Need to add a big bat like that,
30:44
you know. Right.
30:45
But I think, I think they're going to be moved to yeah, they,
30:49
I think they do, they need a bat.
30:51
I think, I think, I think we're going to see a trade.
30:55
Yeah. Yeah, but you're going to have
30:58
to do a trade now, like three. Yeah, they're going to.
31:01
They're going to. Do some work here, yeah.
31:04
But I feel like you could have like you could have gotten out
31:07
of it instead of having to do as much work, though you made it
31:11
look a little better and still probably get got a trade in
31:15
there too. Is just sure of a couple things
31:17
here and there, like show up the back end or something like that
31:19
with a trade and still have the big names and the big guns that
31:24
you need to have to make it look good and make it sweet.
31:26
And those guys are going to be locked in together for the next
31:30
five to seven years. Is Springerstone still?
31:33
He's still on a contract, right? Or is he free?
31:34
Yeah. One more year.
31:35
Yeah, Well, I think, I think with the Jays, they got about
31:39
over 100 million coming off the books.
31:41
I want to see what's going, what they need to do.
31:43
I I mean, a lot of free agents out there.
31:45
We're going to we're going to talk about this where teams are
31:47
AT and we're going to, we're going to talk about that.
31:49
But the next thing I want to talk about, but as some of the
31:53
teams that's made moves, right, you saw Baltimore, they traded
31:58
Grayson Rodriguez for Taylor Ward, which surprised me and
32:02
they signed Pete Alonzo. You saw the Phillies bringing
32:05
back Kyle Schwarber on that big contract, right?
32:08
The Dodgers getting probably the best closer in baseball, Edwin
32:11
Diaz and the Atlanta Braves. Jay, we talked about a little
32:14
bit of Braves. He said that they're they're
32:15
going to have a better season next year and they're already
32:18
off to a good, really good start.
32:19
Like what are you like? What are your thoughts about
32:21
those four teams have been made moves and if there's any, just
32:24
bring them up. Well, let's see the Braves, I
32:29
mean, they're going to put some work in there.
32:31
They they're going to have to they're I mean, but the Dodgers,
32:37
I mean, they're just capping off their team.
32:39
This is ridiculous. They don't need anything else
32:45
really. I mean I think they could use an
32:48
out filter, another out filter honestly rather than another
32:52
back end guy because they still have a loaded back into the pulp
32:56
in there. But.
32:58
He's still got Tanner Scott, don't they?
33:00
Is Tanner Scott, doesn't he? Yeah, he's still.
33:02
With them. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm
33:05
saying. They still have like they're
33:06
still loaded pretty much. They didn't need to get Edwin
33:09
Diaz, Like Edwin Diaz went there just because he wants to
33:12
probably win a World Series and I respect it.
33:16
But as far as the Braves, they're making some moves,
33:18
they're doing some things they got.
33:20
They went and got robbed and that's a that's a big move for
33:23
them, I think. I think what they do next is
33:29
going to be interesting to lock in the rest of that team,
33:31
though. I think they need one more
33:32
starter, honestly. Yeah, but we'll see.
33:38
We'll see what happens. I'm I'm be interested to see
33:41
honestly what happens with that. See What do you think?
33:49
Bro, I think, I don't know what to think.
33:56
I'm still tripping up with the Blue Jays that wasn't David
34:01
because I'm still looking at like most of the guys that are
34:04
available Is is just, you know, I don't know.
34:09
Crazy think, right? I got a big question mark on top
34:13
of my hair right now and a couple of what do.
34:16
You do what? Well, I mean, you think about
34:23
all the Orioles, Orioles, I think they're they're doing
34:26
moves to combat, you know, what the rest of the AL ESA is doing
34:30
right now. Honestly, they're they're
34:32
making, they're getting Pete because Pete's going to be
34:34
effective in Camden Yards there. He's going to be able to hit
34:38
there. He's going to be able to DH some
34:40
days too and take some days and not play for his base as much as
34:46
I mean, he's going to dictate whatever he wants to do.
34:48
I mean, I'm glad he finally got paid.
34:49
It's weird that the Mets didn't keep them.
34:52
I think that's I'm I'm interested to see what the Mets
34:56
are going to do the rest of the offseason.
34:58
Stearns would normally good about making really good move to
35:02
go, so we'll see. I.
35:06
Think you feel disrespected after last year?
35:08
For sure, for sure. But I.
35:12
Think but I think them not. I think them making the move to
35:16
get Marcus Simmons cool, but I don't think they'll do anything
35:19
else and I don't think them again they he said that they
35:23
didn't even put an offer to. So if that's true then that's
35:27
even more disrespectful issue. Yeah, absolutely.
35:33
Yeah. That's not, I mean for them to
35:35
to let him walk me, who you going to have playing first
35:39
base? They're going to have to, I mean
35:43
belly, belly back in the day. I mean, I think he played first
35:45
base a little bit. He's a first base.
35:49
Are they going to play first base there?
35:52
Huh. If I'm belly do I go play first
35:56
base there though? If you give me 150, I'll do it.
36:01
Put a put a cup, put a cup on and a mouthpiece, I'll be all
36:04
right. But I'm saying though, like, do
36:09
you go do that and somebody else like gives you say 130?
36:15
Yeah. Somebody else gives you like
36:18
125, like you got a better chance to win and you're going
36:23
to be. Well, who did mess?
36:25
Just sign the mess? The mess just signed somebody,
36:28
right, Jorge? Go, uncle, Yeah.
36:32
It wasn't. Yeah, Jorge, 22 mil or two years
36:38
40 mil, I believe it was. Damn, we got that much?
36:42
Yeah. Yeah.
36:44
There was I think, I think another move we saw today was
36:48
Meryl Kelly signing with the Arizona for two for 40.
36:53
Man, these guys are getting 20 million a year, man, it's like,
36:56
it's like. That's is that just the base now
36:58
everybody gets 20? Million.
37:00
It seems that way. It seems that way.
37:02
It seems that way I'd need to start.
37:08
Long enough, man. No.
37:10
Bro. Do you 40 at 37?
37:14
Both both Polanco and Mayor Kelly got the same contract.
37:20
That's great. Congrats fellas.
37:22
Congrats on that. So let's talk about that,
37:27
though. Let's talk about the the unusual
37:29
half seasons that, you know, both New York teams are having
37:33
man, because, you know, the Yankees haven't really done
37:36
much. And, you know, then you look at
37:38
what the Mets are doing, you know, they they lost three guys
37:41
bringing Devin Williams. So what are your thoughts on on
37:46
on some of the stuff for that might some of the routes that
37:50
those two teams might be taking in the future?
37:55
I don't think I don't think that you guys need to do much really.
37:59
Oh, Trey, go ahead. No, no, go away, Jay, You go.
38:02
I was going to say, I don't think the Yankees really need to
38:04
do a ton anyway, but I feel like they're going to wait and see
38:08
what the market's going to do because they're already at the
38:11
cap really. So they're going to be really
38:14
more strategic with their money, I think.
38:18
But the Mets, I, I don't know what Stearns is doing.
38:21
I'm I'm interested to see what they have coming in and what his
38:26
moves are going to be. Just like you say, just signed
38:28
Polanco. He's got Simeon there now.
38:31
He letting Memo go. He let Alonzo go.
38:36
So it's going to be interesting to see what happens in New York.
38:41
And they brought Devin. And I don't think Devin saw this
38:44
happening either, though. I mean, you still have Landor,
38:48
you have Simeon, and you have Devin.
38:53
Yes. What?
38:53
Who, Who And like, I don't know. Yeah.
38:57
I mean, it is, is a Marte a free agent?
39:00
Well, Marte, he's been, he's hurt, you know, quite a bit.
39:03
But yeah, are. You talking about Starlin Marte?
39:06
Yeah. Starlin Marte.
39:08
Yeah, I, I, I give, you know, by them not signing, at least
39:16
they're active. Not signing a polar bear polar
39:20
not getting them, at least they're active.
39:23
I think the, I think the Yankees, all they need to buy is
39:29
a Mario Kart mushroom because there's going to be health for
39:32
them. Once they got health, they're
39:34
going to compete because they're also, they're a veteran.
39:37
They're a veteran team. I mean, they sign the center
39:41
fielder. They signed him back.
39:42
I thought that was a good pick up.
39:44
I mean to to resign him, you know, they got their base like,
39:48
yeah, Trent. Yeah.
39:51
Well, how nice pronounce his name.
39:54
But yeah, they, they, they got a good, they got a good squat.
39:57
It's just that, you know, they're they're the older team
39:59
in the in the, in the whole all of baseball.
40:01
They just need to stay healthy. That's the only thing.
40:06
The Orioles, I think the Orioles surprised like this.
40:09
This is what surprised me too, is like like y'all open up your
40:12
textbooks now, like you know what I'm saying?
40:16
I know the new ownership wants to win and all that stuff, but
40:21
but now what are you going to do?
40:23
What are you going to do with, you know, Mount Castle?
40:26
Castle was a All Star too, right?
40:27
Well, he he was a All Star one time, right?
40:29
I think so. Yeah, he was.
40:31
Yeah. So, So what are you going to do
40:33
with that? You going to have to, you going
40:34
to have to trade him because he's going to become a free
40:36
agent in the next couple of years.
40:37
But you just going to have him just kind of like you going to
40:39
have him move around and stuff like that.
40:41
You might as well just get something for him right now.
40:42
Just go ahead and go get some pitching, which you guys don't
40:45
like paying for historically. So you might as well just go and
40:47
do that. And who else?
40:54
Yeah, I mean that I, I, I think, I think the Mets are doing OK as
40:59
far as the offseason acquisitions.
41:02
You know, I, I mean, I would have kept polar bear, but no,
41:06
there is, it's not like they're not like on the pot of like
41:08
they're not on the negative, like, you know what I'm saying?
41:10
They're, they're positive. They're trying to like, you
41:13
know, replace that back then Simeon, you know, he's a second
41:15
baseman that dropped 35, but you know what I'm saying?
41:18
And he could definitely do that in that, in that in that
41:20
ballpark, because I feel like it's a, a righty heaven place,
41:24
you know what I'm saying? Even though it's 10° there.
41:27
But, you know, it gives them a balance, too.
41:33
You know, they lost Diaz, but I mean, there's still some closers
41:35
out there. You know, some guys they can
41:38
probably putting that back in that bullpen.
41:40
You know, I think they're going to rely on their offense more
41:42
than they rely on their pitcher staff anyway.
41:44
So yeah, I mean, that's my $0.03.
41:50
Well, well, The thing is that you look at the Mets and like
41:54
you said, like Jay, you, you had Stearns as the president, right
41:58
when you played for them, right, years ago, right.
42:00
So I wonder, I wonder, and this is the thing, you always look at
42:05
the connection, right? And you could they go get
42:09
Freddie? I wonder because like Stern's
42:12
had Freddie over there and they have the assets to go get
42:15
Freddie. They need, they need a frontline
42:17
starting pitcher or two. And I could see them go get one
42:21
of those guys. I don't know if they're going to
42:22
wait for scuba. I doubt it.
42:24
I think scuba probably stays, but who knows, Like there could
42:27
be a team that could make a Godfather offer and just go get
42:29
them. It's possible.
42:31
But if you look at the if you look at the Mets, they do have a
42:35
good farm. I think they wanted do do things
42:38
what Stern State of Milwaukee build around a young team and
42:41
try to add some veterans in that team.
42:44
I think that's their philosophy and their way to go.
42:46
And you still got Soto and Ledor, man.
42:49
So I mean, those are the guys that you're going to build
42:52
around with long term. But they have a couple guys who
42:55
probably could start to see that.
42:56
You still got the Alvarez, right?
42:58
You still got the Brett Beatty's who could be 1/3 baseman.
43:01
I'm just curious to see what's their next move because they
43:06
signed Polanco yesterday. So I, I do think they're,
43:09
they're not done at all. I think they need starting
43:11
pitching bad. And I know they've been linked
43:13
to Framber. I mean, Stearns was in Houston
43:16
when Framber was there, so I could see that connection as
43:18
well. So, and, and with the Yankees,
43:22
this is my problem with the Yankees, They need to have some
43:24
young core group of guys to build around.
43:27
And let me ask you all this, who's the next big star for the
43:31
New York Yankees? Because I don't see one right
43:34
now after Aaron Judge, once Aaron Judge, you know, starts it
43:38
because he ain't getting any younger.
43:39
He's 3034 in April. So his age is not there for him
43:43
as much as he's still the guy. But I mean, two years down the
43:47
road, who, who's that guy for him?
43:48
I don't know if George Lombard's a guy yet, baby, because he
43:51
hasn't shown anything. I think that's the guy they're
43:54
hoping. Jason Dominguez is 24 now.
44:00
I mean, they're wasting his years.
44:01
He doesn't play every day, man. I don't know what they're doing.
44:04
Yeah. Man, I don't like the way
44:06
they're they're using him. They in my opinion, they should
44:09
have traded him by now, but. They should have, but I think
44:12
that's the reason they haven't though.
44:14
Right. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
44:15
I. Think that's the only reason
44:17
they have it is because they're going to be like OK, he's we're
44:20
going to give him some play because he's got to play next
44:22
year right right. You know the.
44:26
Other guy, the other outfielder they have too.
44:29
What's his name? Spencer Jones.
44:31
Spencer Jones, Yeah, yeah, they they got to play him too next
44:36
year. Yeah, I think Dominguez is
44:38
probably going to take to him like a little bit if they gave
44:42
him as AI mean because thing why he's a switch hitter, got some
44:45
POP5 tool guy, you know, I think I think he just has to get 600
44:51
bats in him. You know what I'm saying?
44:52
Healthy, healthy 600 bats and see what he has.
44:54
You have to. You have to be able.
44:56
To see it, you have to be able to.
45:00
You know what I mean? You have to understand the game
45:04
up there more than he's been able to.
45:06
You haven't. They haven't really given to
45:08
yet. Yeah, they got.
45:12
That's their issue and that thing.
45:14
Right. And that's their issue because
45:16
like, look at the way the AL Lisa is going.
45:19
The Red Sox have young stars coming on their team.
45:21
The Jays have young guys on their team.
45:23
They're coming in a couple years.
45:25
Baltimore has a young squad with a whole bunch of guys they
45:28
drafted, right. And then you got Tampa, you got
45:30
Junior Caminero, who's an up and rising star.
45:33
Like these guys are young and and you have to build around if
45:37
you want to win for a foreseeable future.
45:39
And I know the Yankees like to go get the big stars, but I
45:43
mean, if you look at their track record when they're winning,
45:46
they go from Don Mattingly to Derek Jeter and now Aaron Judge.
45:50
That's always been their style. But they haven't been winning
45:53
with Judge in the World Series. They've been to the World
45:55
Series. But you want to, you know,
45:57
they're the Yankee. They want to win.
45:59
And, you know, they haven't really put that standard.
46:01
See, you know now that the Jays have taken over that division
46:05
last year, so. Well, what's the, what's the
46:07
difference between those teams that you just, you just named
46:09
them? Well, some of those so so if you
46:13
look at Baltimore, they got they got Gunner Anderson, Adly
46:16
Rushman Colton, they got they got a whole bunch of young stars
46:20
on their team. Toronto has the bargers, the
46:22
Vlads, they got the savages like they got and they got some more
46:26
coming in their system. But I'm curious to see what the
46:29
Jays do with bow and stuff. But we'll we'll find out about
46:32
that. Tampa has junior camera.
46:35
Tampa has Tampa man. Like look at Tampa.
46:37
What they do. They always find these young
46:40
stars that. 5500 record bandits. They're going to be fine.
46:45
Yeah, they are. Right there, like you said, like
46:48
they developed their guys so well that they produced somehow
46:51
and they right for cheat. Yeah, that's what they do best.
46:55
And then you got Boston, you got the Roman Anthony's, you got
46:59
Marcelo Mayers, you got the like they got these guys like they
47:03
got they have crochet as a race, like they got young guys they
47:06
could build around for a while. That's the thing about the
47:08
Yankees. They're they thought that, you
47:11
know, with Grisham, you give the cable thought that they were
47:15
going to walk and go, maybe we signed Cody Bellinger or go
47:18
after Tucker. They haven't really done much
47:20
after that, right? They did a little bit here and
47:22
there, but nothing really the rotation.
47:24
I mean, Jericho's going to be 36.
47:26
Max Freed, they signed for seven more years and they got Carlos
47:30
Rodon and then they seem like they're going after another
47:33
starting pitcher. But The thing is that with, you
47:37
know, they were banking on Anthony Volpe as their next *
47:41
and he hasn't really been that guy yet.
47:45
I wouldn't give up just yet. Let's see.
47:47
But and he's hurt and stuff, but I feel like, you know, Jazz
47:52
Chisholm, he's a free agent next.
47:53
Do they come back? They got they signed, they've
47:56
signed up for McMahon in the trade, Like and what's the 1st?
48:00
Is it Ben Rice that these are the questions the Yankees have
48:03
to figure out what they need to do right?
48:05
Like how they can finally develop guys from the system and
48:09
bring them up and build around the next core of guys?
48:11
And I think that's a little bit of an issue right now with the
48:14
stance. So that's why I think the
48:15
Yankees have to see what not a. 100% they don't.
48:19
Have patience. That's the difference between
48:21
the the Yankees and everybody else in division.
48:23
The Yankees don't have patience. They.
48:25
Can't they can't exactly exactly so that that's a that's a
48:28
monster they have to deal with on their.
48:30
In their own, I mean, it's true, that's true, But I mean, it is
48:35
what it is. Like you built for it or not.
48:38
That's why they're supposed to draft better.
48:40
Realistically, they're supposed to draft the Yankees back or as
48:43
it's supposed to be the future of the organization, right?
48:45
Like they still have mostly the same guys drafting and been
48:49
there since been there. They'll figure it out.
48:53
I mean, they're the Yankees. And I just saw that Polanco is
48:56
going to play first base, man, he's going to play first base in
48:59
DH. So there you go.
49:03
So I I don't like that new form. Not at all, but if it works, it
49:12
works. Yeah, like I said, there's
49:16
there's no something I don't. So yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll
49:24
just have to see what what those teams are going to do.
49:27
I know there's still a couple months to till till they start
49:31
till training camp and and obviously the WBC happening in
49:35
February, March, I think so. But let's talk about some of the
49:38
other teams that haven't done any moves.
49:40
Like for example, the Houston Astros made one trade in.
49:43
They haven't really done much since the Athletics.
49:46
I'm curious to see what they do. I know that they have an
49:49
opportunity to do something that saw if they haven't done
49:53
anything, the Padres are the biggest question mark.
49:56
There's been a lot of smoke right now about, you know, trade
49:58
rumors and stuff. The Giants haven't done anything
50:00
in the Cubs. I know they caught they signed a
50:03
couple relievers, but they they were in on seats.
50:06
Apparently they were they, they almost signed up, but they're
50:09
still looking, looking for starting pitch of the What are
50:11
your thoughts about some of the teams that haven't really done
50:14
anything And do you think they could make moves with with, with
50:17
the offseason still going on? Well, I got I got one.
50:22
The Reds, I think the Reds fumble trying to trying to not
50:26
sign. We're trying to sign Schwarber.
50:29
He's a hometown guy. You guys literally had amazing
50:33
run last year in that division. Like you know what I'm saying?
50:36
They haven't they haven't been like really consistent like that
50:39
in that division. You know, they made a couple of
50:41
Trey pieces. They end up getting, you know, a
50:45
couple of veterans in a bullpen. They end up getting key Brian
50:48
Hayes, but ain't like that's a bad like that team is good.
50:52
They got you know, they got some good pieces over there with the
50:54
Reds. I think they need to go out and
50:56
just be like, all right, we need to get one button, one big bat.
50:59
You can get one big bat, be like a star power.
51:02
Go ahead and go bring Cody. Like it doesn't have to be
51:05
framer. I mean it doesn't have to be on
51:07
Schwarber, like go get Cody, give Cody, give Kobe a little
51:11
Cody a little bit of that money that you're going to give
51:13
Schwarber And then because he's in the band box.
51:16
I mean, it's a small ballpark. You need a big hitter, you know
51:18
what I'm saying? And I think I think they, I'm
51:22
looking at them to like, all right, you guys had a taste of
51:26
that playoff. Like, you know what I'm saying?
51:28
Continue to build off that, go and spend money.
51:31
Like there's a lot of people that's probably saying that, oh,
51:33
with Cincinnati, OH this and that.
51:35
Nah, they don't matter. You know, if you're throwing the
51:37
money out there, then you're, you're going to like attract
51:40
those guys. And I mean, I heard that, you
51:44
know, they've they dropped the ball on that.
51:46
Well, Schwarberg and he's a, you know, NZ, a local guy, you know,
51:51
now they need to continue to he's like, you know, go ahead
51:53
and go get somebody else. All right, well, he's not
51:55
available. That's fine.
51:56
Go get go get another big bat. Go get one of those big free.
51:59
I ain't saying go out there to Cal Tucker.
52:02
I don't know if they have that kind of like revenue stream to
52:05
like to go get somebody like that, but they need to go get,
52:09
they need to make a splash to like they give the fans and give
52:12
like, you know, shake it up and just be like, all right, man.
52:14
Well, we're we're going to try. You know, we might not get as
52:17
much as what everybody else is getting, but we going to try or
52:19
you know what I'm saying? So I'm looking for them to like
52:22
make a splash, not the pirates, because I think the pirates,
52:25
they're just they're, they're economically, they're
52:27
economically not like in the same ballpark as anybody else,
52:31
because they don't want to spend that much money.
52:33
Like, you know what I'm saying? They they it's hard.
52:35
It's hard for me to like actually kind of take in and say
52:41
that, Oh, would they offer Schwarber $100 million, like a
52:45
four year, $100 million deal? I'm just kind of like, man, I
52:48
really think that was just a bluff.
52:49
I don't really think that they were trying to like sign it.
52:51
I think they were just trying to say something like that because
52:54
they're not trying to spend money.
52:56
Their the whole model is it? They're trying to they're trying
52:59
to keep a low payroll, right. So that's their whole mantra,
53:02
like rebuild, keep a low payroll, just get by.
53:04
It is what it is, right. But like the Reds, like, you
53:09
know, y'all spent a little bit of money and y'all went to the
53:12
playoffs, Yeah, y'all got swept by the Dodgers, but that's like
53:17
the Dodgers are the Monstars right now that you got to give
53:19
it up. You got to, you got to give.
53:20
You got to give yourself. Yeah, you got to pat yourself on
53:22
the back, man. But that don't mean that you
53:24
can't stop trying. Like go spend some money dude.
53:27
No 100% like that's what that's that was I agree.
53:31
I think the, I think the Reds kind of definitely fumble, hang
53:36
on out and I put it on my Instagram today.
53:39
But that's again, when people are more worried about bottom
53:43
line than actually winning, then that's the kind of things you
53:46
see, you know what I mean? Like when people don't realize
53:50
that the more you win, it helps the bottom line because then you
53:53
draw more people in. It's oh, it's going to bring in
53:55
revenue sales. Yeah, it's going to help bring
53:57
in revenue, sales and tickets, but it's also going to help
54:01
bring in more ball games that you're winning.
54:05
You know what I mean? And if you're winning more
54:07
games, you have more 10 to the playoffs.
54:09
If you go to the playoffs, you're going to have more fans.
54:11
More fans are going to help your bottom line even more.
54:14
And it's been I think that the like if you go to the playoffs,
54:19
you have like an X amount of years past that that like it
54:24
helps like bring in more revenue to the city.
54:26
But like, if you end up going to the World Series, what in the
54:29
World Series, it's like a five year thing where it keeps
54:33
revenue generating in the city for like the next five years
54:36
because of the World Series or something like that.
54:38
It's crazy. And the fans, but who knows why?
54:43
Like, but as far as like the other teams, the A's aren't
54:46
going to do anything else. Probably they're going to wait
54:48
till the last minute before I grab a couple free agents that
54:52
are left at the bottom So they can have so they can say they
54:55
spent the money and do it like that.
54:57
Because I mean, they they spent a lot of money last offseason
55:00
and I think that was because they had to, right.
55:03
So I think after that, it's not going to be them spending a lot
55:07
more money. It's going to be them like
55:08
trying to stay at the level they're at to make sure that
55:13
they get whatever, you know, revenue share and whatever the
55:17
growth they're getting until they get to Vegas.
55:18
And then right before they go to Vegas, they're going to make
55:21
some splashes again and start some good free agents that way.
55:26
So I think that's what's going to happen like that.
55:28
And then the Pirates are the Pirates, you know what I mean?
55:32
Like, yeah, we'll see what happens.
55:34
They're going to go wait till the last minute.
55:38
Whoever's unlucky enough to be one of the guys that has to go
55:43
to Pittsburgh and go to the organization.
55:45
Like you're going to go like, but it's going to be hard to
55:51
change that organization around by themselves because I mean, I
55:55
don't, I don't know what it is like, I feel like nobody wants
55:58
to go play there. Great city, no, no doubt great
56:01
city, great fans, but I just don't know like what
56:04
organizationally like they don't have guys that like want to be
56:09
there or win. Like it's crazy, but guys are
56:13
just going to end up going there and at some point it's going to
56:15
turn around. But we'll see.
56:16
I don't think they have enough free agents to go there and turn
56:19
it around this year though. Man, that's such a, like,
56:23
beautiful ballpark, man, how people don't want to go play
56:25
there. Far fit, one of my favorite
56:28
ballparks, but I just, I don't know what it is about the
56:30
organization. There's no disrespect to the
56:31
organization because I played there and I've been there and I
56:36
love the ballpark, but I don't know what it is.
56:40
Why they can't win there as much as they should and why they
56:44
don't put more in to the winning there.
56:48
Oh, I don't know, I mean, maybe I'm wrong just.
56:53
I don't know, but, but well, I, I, I look at it, I look at it
56:58
this way, it's like you can't waste Keene's prime years too.
57:01
Like the guy has five years of control.
57:04
You got this stud named Connor Griffin who's going to be up and
57:07
most likely he's going to crack the opening day roster the way
57:10
they're saying, right? And you got to young guys you
57:14
got to build around with. It's just unfortunate that the
57:19
last time we seen winning baseball was during the
57:21
Mccutchen times, right? That was like probably what,
57:24
almost 10 years ago, you would say.
57:25
So it's been a long time. And yeah, I.
57:30
Mean a little bit longer, a little bit longer than 10 years.
57:32
Well, about 1314, yeah. Yeah, because, yeah, so I.
57:37
Was there at 14? Yeah.
57:41
Yeah, I mean, that's a thing. Like they got a good rotation
57:45
and they got to build, they got they got to do something.
57:48
They got to do something, man. I'm with you guys like on
57:51
Pittsburgh, man. Like like I said, Skeins
57:54
deserves better. Like with what that franchise
57:57
all about it, because all these media pariah guys, they're
58:01
talking about him could be traded and they're saying like,
58:05
oh, he does. He should be in a big market
58:06
team and they're talking about Yankees, dodgers, like etcetera,
58:10
Like he should never be that way.
58:12
Let the guy do his thing and you know, if he wants to stay, then
58:16
you know, then you you see what it takes to sign an extension.
58:19
If not, well, I mean, he's still under control for a long time,
58:22
right. So you got it.
58:24
It takes a few years to see where this team goes, but they
58:27
got to win at some point you would think, right?
58:29
So. They got to sell the team, they
58:31
got to sell the team. They want to keep him.
58:34
You got to. Sell to him because he's not.
58:35
I mean, how many just think about how much that he's going
58:38
to be worth at the end of his like team control.
58:42
That's going to be Gary Cole times 1.2, like you know what
58:46
I'm saying? So it's like he's going to be a
58:48
3034 million dollar guy. A year, you know.
58:54
How expensive those starts are, right?
58:57
He's going to have I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be
58:59
surprised if, if he does, he's he's on the Dodgers radar.
59:03
If he, he, if he becomes a free agent, if he becomes a free
59:07
agent, he will be in the Dodgers uniform.
59:09
I think they're they're willing to, they're willing.
59:12
I, I think he gets traded before that if he doesn't sign.
59:16
I just don't think he'll be there if he doesn't sign an
59:18
extension. I think he gets traded before
59:20
that. You just can't let him walk for
59:22
nothing further for that type of magnitude of a player.
59:24
That's why I'm curious to see what happens with Schoolbold
59:27
this coming year if he's still still with the team before
59:30
season opening day, right? So if they're willing to let him
59:34
play it out, being in the playoffs for a couple years in a
59:36
row, right? Yeah, but schemes, schemes, if
59:40
he, if he gets traded, you know how many people that, that
59:43
that's going, they have to trade 1 minor league team for him.
59:47
He's he's, he's, he's only going to get, he's only going to get
59:50
better. He's only going to get better,
59:52
you know what I'm saying? And, and, and the, the talks are
59:56
going to get bigger and bigger and bigger to where like now
1:00:00
they're going to be like, well, we're not winning.
1:00:01
And, and he's going to, he's, he's going to walk up there
1:00:05
himself and be like, what are we doing?
1:00:07
Right now he's he's not he he can't he can't make 30 starts or
1:00:12
whatever and and and win only, you know, 11 Like, you know what
1:00:18
I'm saying? Like I mean, and the games that
1:00:21
he won, they were only close games.
1:00:22
There were two to one. Like, you know what I'm saying?
1:00:25
Less than two runs. Ain't like he ain't like he's
1:00:28
just you know, you know, he got A5 run league going into the
1:00:31
5th. Like, you know, they were they
1:00:34
were nail biters, like as far as I mean, not for him, but they
1:00:38
were nail biters. You know, I I think they're
1:00:41
they're either going to have to let him go or they're going to
1:00:43
have to they're going to miss out on an opportunity of having
1:00:46
one of the best starting pitchers in their who was it?
1:00:50
Who was The Who was the prior to him who won?
1:00:55
I think Drybeck was the last Cy Young winner with the Pirates,
1:00:59
right? Yeah.
1:01:02
Way back to the only reason, just let you know the only
1:01:05
reason why I know that because I played the grid.
1:01:07
That's the only reason why I know that so.
1:01:13
That's a long time, Eric. They did a long time ago, yeah.
1:01:17
So they have an opportunity to to you got one of the best
1:01:21
starting pitchers and if you show some type of a fight and
1:01:26
then that's going to attract more starting pitchers.
1:01:29
Now you got now you got two or three big free agent in that
1:01:32
rotation, maybe some back end guys, maybe one or two, but you
1:01:35
got some back end guys. But then you going to also then
1:01:38
they're going to start be like, oh, what?
1:01:39
Pittsburgh is probably not a bad place.
1:01:41
You know, I got the best pitcher in the in the in the game in the
1:01:44
National League, beautiful ballpark.
1:01:47
They're trying, they're trying to spend money to open up their
1:01:49
checkbook and all that stuff. Now that's how you attract those
1:01:52
guys. I'm just saying they're going to
1:01:54
have to do something now or next year like Jay said, or they're
1:02:00
going to have to. They're going to have to trade 1
1:02:01
minor league team for for schemes.
1:02:03
They're going to have to. They did have Garrett Cole at
1:02:06
one point. I mean like they don't.
1:02:08
Keep but think about the people that Garrett Cole was around
1:02:11
too. Garrett Garrett Cole wasn't just
1:02:13
Garrett Cole by himself. Like he had some dogs around.
1:02:17
Him. Dick Lock.
1:02:19
Squad, right? Squad, I mean they.
1:02:21
Had a team. But.
1:02:23
But but they don't. But they don't.
1:02:26
They don't keep guys like that. Like I'll believe it when I see
1:02:30
it. When they pay, they should they
1:02:32
pay schemes? Absolutely.
1:02:34
Will they? No.
1:02:35
Yeah. I was about to say the chances
1:02:37
of them, chances of them actually paying schemes by I
1:02:44
mean, oh. I got another chance of winning
1:02:47
the lottery, Jay. I got a better chance of winning
1:02:50
the lottery, dude. It was in ping pong schemes.
1:02:53
It's going to be an offer that he's going to be like, bro, you
1:02:55
got to be joking, yeah. That's going to be.
1:02:59
An offer to the Reds offer. Yeah, yeah, that's what it's
1:03:03
going to be is like the offer they gave Kyle Schwarber, man,
1:03:06
it's going to be just the same thing.
1:03:08
So he's going to be. Like, right?
1:03:10
Let me go see what agencies really like.
1:03:13
Yeah. They got to give him.
1:03:15
They got to give him a Gear cold contract right now, like 9 year
1:03:19
290 or something or whatever, whatever.
1:03:21
Cole's not where you got to give him a lot of money right now.
1:03:24
If if they're smart, this is what they do.
1:03:26
Since he's still under team control and they get to dictate
1:03:30
a salary in arbitration. Pretty much he goes.
1:03:33
He goes to ARP next year too. That's going to be ridiculous.
1:03:37
But did he already get it? Hold on.
1:03:39
I think he got some. I think he got some right now.
1:03:41
Oh, because of his Cy Young Award.
1:03:43
Yeah, he he goes to art next year.
1:03:47
And you already got two of those things.
1:03:49
That's crazy. Bro, I'm going to art is going
1:03:54
to be probably around 25 mill a year.
1:04:01
Yeah, if you play it out. Bro, look, look, this is this is
1:04:11
this is what I'm talking about. Like he went to.
1:04:14
This listen, this said this about Gladdy and the Blue Jays
1:04:16
didn't do it, end up costing them half a bill.
1:04:19
I'm saying this about the Pirates right now.
1:04:20
They want to keep this real smart, real cheap for them.
1:04:24
They lock him up for three years now, or four years technically
1:04:29
for four. Lock him up for four.
1:04:31
For 100 right now, lock him up, get 4 for a hundo somewhere in
1:04:38
there, make it reasonable. Try to build around that for the
1:04:41
next two years and show him that he wants to stay.
1:04:45
And then either give him an extension or trade him.
1:04:50
And then he's got a Team Fritly deal for one more year.
1:04:53
Oh, for somebody else? And then he gets paid somewhere
1:04:56
else. Yeah, that's that's just, yeah,
1:05:01
that's smart. Again.
1:05:03
But I'll tell you this too. Like this gets out right now,
1:05:10
bro, you're gonna. Let it out.
1:05:13
Virus pitch bird. But like, you know, a guy, I
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like him, bro. A guy.
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I like him. I'm telling you like bro, I
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would have. You gave me a chance to build a
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team. Like I could probably win a
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World Series and probably 3/5. I'm not gonna put money on that,
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but I think I could. I think you could get guys to
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come to these cities and so show them that you're building around
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them to get you a chance to have them believe at least in the
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next two to five years that you have a chance to win a ring.
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And that's the first thing guys that don't have rings want to
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do. If you have a ring, get paid.
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But if you're somebody that doesn't have a ring, bruh, sell
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them the whole dream that come here.
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I'm going to build this thing up to make sure we win.
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And you can do it with a lot of these teams, but they end up not
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doing it for some reason. We look at some of these moves
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and it's just like why? Like I said, like the Blue Jays,
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like I'm like, why? Like even the Mets, some of the
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moves they're making right now, I'm like, why?
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Like, how's this? Like, I don't know what your
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philosophies are to, you know, win World Series and stuff, but
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I know what it is when I was a player and I feel like that
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should count for something, but obviously it doesn't because we
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talked about this before in Taiwan.
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Trey they would hire as if they did, but it doesn't.
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You know what a guy? A guy at Paul Screen of his
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stature, bro. He's making 30 plus starts and
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he only won 21 games in two years.
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No, I ain't no bro ain't having no you got to you got to you got
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to be able to that's. Wow, that kind of made me mad
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right there. Sorry, I would be pissed bro.
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Like I would be pissed to like to be a guy behind them.
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Be like, dude, we got the best picture in the world.
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We can't put nothing together right now like.
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Well. There's a picture I'm like.
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Bro fuck yeah. I mean they got I mean if they
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ain't got guys like that, they got to play small ball or
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something. They got to be the most fast
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team, the most bunt heavy team or or anything like that, like
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you. I mean, you got a couple guys
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that can hit like, you know, some homers and stuff like that,
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but you're not, you don't have 30 home run guys on that team.
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So you're going to have to like, you're going to have to hitting
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something, huh? I know they're hitting coach and
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they're hitting coach. I mean, he's a great dude.
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Like I love him to death, but like you have to have his talent
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plus what he's working with. It's got to be give and take,
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you know what I mean? Like again, like they don't have
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truly like they're not giving him thirty home run guys to be
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like, hey, or he's he's not even getting sometimes 30 home run
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talent with some of these guys that are coming up is like, OK,
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like you want me to get these guys hit Major League pitching
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and get them to try to be 30 Homer guys or even 20 Homer
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guys? Like ah, that's asking a lot.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's asking a lot.
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That was just saying that's our, that's our little three cents on
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the Pirates. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just,
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I'm just frustrated with the Pirates when it comes to that
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because they got the they got the best pitcher in baseball,
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man. And we're and, you know, even
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Strasburg won the World Series. Like Strasburg was like one of
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the best dominant pitchers when we were coming up and like, hey,
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he, he won the World Series. So I mean, yeah, he bowed a lot
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of injuries, but hey, he got that ring, you know what I'm
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saying? He got a big deal and they
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built. They built around like
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Washington built around Bryce Harper and Strasburg, so.
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What are we doing? Yeah, yeah.
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They did it right, yeah.