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HOLLYNN, 19, MIND OF 10 Y.O., VANISHES FROM PARTY, SPARKS SERIAL KILLER FEAR · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Holland nineteen, but with the mind of a ten year
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  Speaker 2: old child an IQ of just sixty four.
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  Speaker 1: But you wouldn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: To look at her, she looks.
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  Speaker 1: Like a beautiful teen girl.
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  Speaker 2: Holland nineteen, mind of a ten year old vanishes from
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  Speaker 2: a party, sparking serial killer fears across the region. Good evening,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Ollen Snap, a teenager living with her adoptive family in Kingsport, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 3: was known for her bright spirit and trusting nature until
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  Speaker 3: someone took advantage of that trust.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to Holland?
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  Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Holland's former foster
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  Speaker 2: mom and her adoptive mom. Now her name is Holland,
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  Speaker 2: but she is affectionately called holly In. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go back and forth between them, and I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you why. If you think you see this girl, we
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  Speaker 2: are hoping to bring her home alive. She answers to
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  Speaker 2: Holland and holly In to you, Leslie Hunt, tell me
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  Speaker 2: your most vivid memory of Holland.
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  Speaker 4: Almost day of Holland is when she first came here.
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  Speaker 4: To live with us as our foster child, who's just
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  Speaker 4: a doubly happy eight and a half year old, and
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  Speaker 4: she has a very country accent, and she would say
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  Speaker 4: hilarious things all the time. We would try to get
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  Speaker 4: her to eat her vegetables of what she called vegetables,
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  Speaker 4: so we still call our vegetables vegetables to this day.
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  Speaker 4: Holland had lots of quirky little things that she would
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  Speaker 4: say at my house, and I think those are still
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  Speaker 4: what's so prominent to me. And we still use a
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  Speaker 4: lot of those things that you have.
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  Speaker 2: Like when you say perky things, you know we do
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  Speaker 2: that too. When John David, my son was a baby,
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  Speaker 2: I would say ask the question, I will go yes
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  Speaker 2: or no, which one? And he go ness, And my daughter,
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  Speaker 2: instead of saying yes, would say in deep We actually
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  Speaker 2: still say that Ness. Indeed, that's I'm just thinking back
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  Speaker 2: on all the memories you have of this beautiful girl.
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  Speaker 2: And when I always said little, but she's nineteen at
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  Speaker 2: the time she disappears, but she was diminutive in stature.
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  Speaker 1: How tall is Holly.
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  Speaker 4: In Helene is four phetnam And at the wist time
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  Speaker 4: her mom saw her, she weighed probably about ninety pounds,
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  Speaker 4: so she is the exact same weight as my eleven
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  Speaker 4: year old daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Also, in addition to Leslie Hunt joining us, Holland's former
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  Speaker 2: foster mom is Heather Snap, her adoptive mom. You know
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  Speaker 2: what's amazing, ladies, that when I have been involved in
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  Speaker 2: searching for children, and she does have the mind of
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  Speaker 2: a ten to eleven year old child, although she looks
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  Speaker 2: like a beautiful young lady. If there's any you know,
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  Speaker 2: extended family in law, step mom, step dads, there's always
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  Speaker 2: some kind of a turf battle, but which.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't help anything.
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  Speaker 2: But you two have really banded together trying to find Holland,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just so heartened by that. I wish others
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  Speaker 2: could take your example to Heather Snap, Holland's adoptive mother. Heather,
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  Speaker 2: tell me your most vivid memory, and everybody please listen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how and I don't know why, but
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  Speaker 2: this information could help bring her home.
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  Speaker 5: Heather Well, one of the most vivid memories was when
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  Speaker 5: she first came to me and we were doing visits
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  Speaker 5: and she told me that she was a vampire.
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  Speaker 4: I said, that's funny. I said, I am too, And
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  Speaker 4: that's how you know That's how the ground was broken,
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  Speaker 4: and that's how our relationship started. She was very imaginative.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we have our children, we know where they are.
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  Speaker 2: These two moms are desperately, desperately.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to find Holly in.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is she a teen girl with the mind
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  Speaker 2: of a ten year old child, she's extremely trusting.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, She's very, very trusting of people that she definitely
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  Speaker 6: should not be trusting. She's never met a stranger, and everybody,
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  Speaker 6: according to her, loves her and has her best interest
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  Speaker 6: to heart.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, today's four hundred and sixty days that she's been missing.
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  Speaker 8: We know now that she was wrong about that, and
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  Speaker 8: people do not always have your best interest at heart,
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  Speaker 8: and I wish that we could have instilled that in
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  Speaker 8: Hurt a little bit more.
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  Speaker 9: Family members desperate to locate Halland's snap last seen on
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  Speaker 9: October fifth at a party on Belridge Drive in Kingsport, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 9: Holland is four foot nine ninety pounds with brown hair,
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  Speaker 9: hazel eyes, in an Eye of Providence tattoo on her forearm.
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  Speaker 9: Anyone with info asked to call Sullivan County Sheriff's at
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  Speaker 9: four two seven nine seven three three zero or the
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  Speaker 9: TBI at one eight hundred. TBI find that by.
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  Speaker 2: Missing people in America. So the situation is even more
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  Speaker 2: dangerous for this little girl who wants to be accepted
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  Speaker 2: as a nineteen year old when her mind is that
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  Speaker 2: of a ten year old. So she goes to a party.
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  Speaker 2: And what is so shocking to me to Leslie Hunt
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  Speaker 2: that says Holland's foster mom, Leslie, people saw her at
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  Speaker 2: the party and they did nothing, and now she's gone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you could speak to some of the
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  Speaker 2: ghouls at that party, they see a little she's four nine,
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  Speaker 2: I mean what, she's ninety pounds, soaking.
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  Speaker 1: Wet, and they do nothing. What would you say to them?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how they can do that, as a
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  Speaker 4: lot of them have children, they have grandchildren, and they
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  Speaker 4: did absolutely nothing to help Holland. They could have called
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  Speaker 4: in a false fire and said, hey, this house is
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  Speaker 4: on fire, we go there. They could have called in,
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  Speaker 4: hey there's a hurt injured animal at this house. Can
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  Speaker 4: animal Control go there? They could have done a million things.
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  Speaker 4: They could have called us. They could have contacted us
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  Speaker 4: privately on social media. They could have contacted her biological family,
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  Speaker 4: which a lot of them. Know, they could have done
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  Speaker 4: a million different things than wait.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hey, that's something new. I didn't know Leslie.
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  Speaker 2: So people, some of the people anyway at this party
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  Speaker 2: knew Holly ind They knew.
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  Speaker 1: Who she was, and they did nothing seeing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, she had to be crying, you know, she
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  Speaker 2: had to be in the corner crying, not speaking. She
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  Speaker 2: had just gotten a horrible beating and now she's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody took her from that party. They knew her and
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  Speaker 2: they did nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, they knew her and they did nothing to help whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I want you to see and year
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  Speaker 2: Holland Holly in.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, have you seen this girl?
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm actually about to cry, that's how bad have
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  Speaker 10: been laughing inside.
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  Speaker 11: At age ten, Erica Billheimer gets a fresh name with
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  Speaker 11: a fresh start, Adopted by Heather and Stephen Snap. She
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  Speaker 11: chooses now to be known as Holland Snap. Holland and
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  Speaker 11: the Snaps remain in close contact with her previous foster mother,
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  Speaker 11: Leslie Hunt, who took care of Holland for more than
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  Speaker 11: a year. Over time, Holland doesn't change much. At nineteen,
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  Speaker 11: she stands just four feet nine inches tall, and she
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  Speaker 11: has the mental capacity of a ten year old child.
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  Speaker 2: A ten year old child joining us is Karen Start,
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  Speaker 2: physics psychologist who is a renowned TV and radio trauma
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  Speaker 2: expert at Karenstart dot com. Karen, what does that actually mean?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that phrase, ye used?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: You have the mind you're nineteen, but you have the
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  Speaker 2: mind of a ten year old?
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  Speaker 12: You know, developmentally delayed? Nancy, That's what it means. You
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  Speaker 12: haven't really matured. She has stayed at that age and
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  Speaker 12: most likely for the rest of her life. We hope
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  Speaker 12: she's okay. She will not be much older. It's a
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  Speaker 12: terrible thing to happen to your child, but she seems
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  Speaker 12: so beautiful and alive and wonderful that it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 12: to have affected her at all. It will make her vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: So a predator who is targeting her, Karen thinks he
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  Speaker 2: and let's be honest, I know the defense attorney, friend
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  Speaker 2: Boorgard's not gonna like it, but overwhelmingly, statistically, it is
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  Speaker 2: a man that took her, and it is a man
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  Speaker 2: that beat her to a pulp, This little girl with
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  Speaker 2: a ten year old mind. He thinks he's with a
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  Speaker 2: nineteen year old woman when he's Billie with a ten
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  Speaker 2: year old little girl. So this is working against her horribly.
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  Speaker 2: Then Heather, her adoptive mom, suffered a horrible m S.
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  Speaker 3: About when a loved one passes away. Heather snap suffered
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  Speaker 3: severe MS flare ups, making it hard to care for
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  Speaker 3: Holland Halland moves in with her biological aunt in Kingsport.
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  Speaker 11: On October fifth, Holland texts Heather she's attending a party
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  Speaker 11: at a home on bell Ridge Drive, where a man,
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  Speaker 11: a trusted friend, introduced her to fifty two year old
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  Speaker 11: Stephen Lincous. In her text, Holland mentions Lincas didn't want
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  Speaker 11: her telling anyone his name, which Heather finds odd. It's
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  Speaker 11: the last contact she has with Holland.
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  Speaker 13: She had text Heather and address in Kingsport and said, Hey,
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  Speaker 13: this is where I am and this is who I
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  Speaker 13: am with, although he didn't want to want me to
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  Speaker 13: tell you his name. But she told Heather his name
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  Speaker 13: in that text, which is Holland.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if I'm missing people in America, gosh, there's so
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  Speaker 2: much there to dissect. But to Franz A. Borg Kart,
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  Speaker 2: adjoining US veteran criminal defense attorney out of Baton Rouge,
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  Speaker 2: founder of the Boorkart's Law firm, and professor lsu Franz.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What is a fifty two.
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  Speaker 2: Year old man doing with a nineteen year old girl?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, we don't know what he's doing with her,
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  Speaker 10: and jumping to conclusions is certainly not a pathway to
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  Speaker 10: either finding her or figuring out what happened. That said,
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  Speaker 10: he's obviously presumed innocent. There's been no showing that he's
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  Speaker 10: done anything wrong. Optics acide, You know, we don't know
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  Speaker 10: what he was doing with her.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it when people say optics aside, So
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  Speaker 2: I should believe you are my lion eyes. You want
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  Speaker 2: me to forget what I'm saying, Pretend I'm not seeing that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Heather, what is a fifty two year
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  Speaker 2: old man doing with a nineteen year old little girl?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Heather Snap and Leslie Hunt to you, Heather,
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  Speaker 2: you spent years nurturing holland helping her, trying to overcome
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  Speaker 2: her disability and to look at her. You'd have no idea,
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  Speaker 2: and then somehow she gets in the mix at this
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  Speaker 2: party and she's never seen again. How many times, Heather Snap,
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  Speaker 2: have you relived that moment over and over in your mind.
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  Speaker 4: More than I would like to count? There is oftentimes
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  Speaker 4: I would lay away playing it in my head.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we have to find Holland. We have to find
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  Speaker 2: out what happened to her. What good are we if
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  Speaker 2: we don't care about this girl. A fifty two year
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  Speaker 2: old man with a night ten year old girl that
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  Speaker 2: has the mind of a ten year old child. Take
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  Speaker 2: a look at him, Stephen Lincous. He of course is
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  Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty. Why what was he doing
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  Speaker 2: with her that night? Coincidentally the night she goes missing,
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  Speaker 2: never seen again. Back to Heather Snap, Holland holly Enne's
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  Speaker 2: adoptive mom. You know so many people across our country
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  Speaker 2: want to adopt the perfect baby.
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  Speaker 1: You adopted, Holland.
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  Speaker 2: Look at her. She looks like a little baby doll
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  Speaker 2: right there, and you knew about her developmental disadvantages. You
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  Speaker 2: knew that, and you took her in and gave her
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  Speaker 2: all the love you had, just like Leslie did. Heather,
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  Speaker 2: this has got to crush you now for a moment,
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  Speaker 2: But after you lost a loved one, your MS kicked
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  Speaker 2: in an MS and I know from having a close
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  Speaker 2: family member that battled ms for a lifetime is draining
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  Speaker 2: and debilitating. And in that period of time, she went
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  Speaker 2: to stay.
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  Speaker 1: With her auntie.
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  Speaker 2: What the hey happened? Was she with the auntie when
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  Speaker 2: she went to the party? Was allowed to go to
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  Speaker 2: this party?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, her aunt had a form of custody of Hallan
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  Speaker 4: and she did go to this party.
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  Speaker 2: So to Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine a worse situation for this girl to
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  Speaker 2: be in mind of a ten year old and she's
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  Speaker 2: at a party with all adults, some of them even
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  Speaker 2: know her, and they don't lift a finger. They see
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  Speaker 2: her over in the corner, quiet sobbing, covered in bruises.
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  Speaker 2: You know who this reminds me of. Find me, Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: You and I investigated this case together. Miranda Corsette, a
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  Speaker 2: little ten girl who ends up in the clutches of
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  Speaker 2: a predator. This is video I've never gotten over. I
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  Speaker 2: can't get it out of my mind. Take a look
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  Speaker 2: at Miranda Corsette, How trusting, how innocent Miranda Corsette was
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  Speaker 2: before she was murdered. Now, take a look at Miranda
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  Speaker 2: leaving the house. That's her in the blankets. She's being
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  Speaker 2: put in the trunk. That's her head on the left,
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  Speaker 2: her hair hanging down. She's being put in the trunk
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  Speaker 2: of that car. She's dead. People saw her inside the
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  Speaker 2: home with these adults that abused her and beat her.
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  Speaker 2: They saw her cowering in the corner, naked, crying, begging.
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  Speaker 2: No one did anything, you know, to Franz Borghart, a
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  Speaker 2: veteran defense attorney joining us out of the baton Rous jurisdiction, Franz,
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  Speaker 2: you and I both know that under our American jurisprudence,
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  Speaker 2: no one has the duty to be a good samaritan.
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  Speaker 2: When you see a little girl like Miranda Corssette, or
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  Speaker 2: like Holland being beaten or abused, you don't have.
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  Speaker 1: A duty to do anything, do you.
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  Speaker 10: Unfortunately, no, you don't. And in a even in the
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  Speaker 10: face of a complicity argument of well, look you were
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  Speaker 10: complicit because you let it happen, that doesn't work most
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  Speaker 10: of the time. Most of the time, that essentially being
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  Speaker 10: in the right place, wrong place, not say any not
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  Speaker 10: doing anything. Unfortunately, nancy is not a crime in most
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  Speaker 10: of the states of the United States, So unfortunately there's
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  Speaker 10: not a lot that the criminal justice system can do
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  Speaker 10: about this, and frankly, we need to change that too.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Fisher joining us who has taken an active role
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  Speaker 2: in trying to find Holland. Steve Fisher, a missing person's
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  Speaker 2: private investigator, search and rescue specialist, owns search investigations. Steve,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I heard how many times did Borcart say unfortunate? Unfortunate, unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: That's like it couldn't have been helped. It could have
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  Speaker 2: been helped. Do you ever get sick and tired of
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  Speaker 2: people standing by on the sidelines doing nothing when they
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  Speaker 2: see a child in need.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: And I've interviewed the two people extensively that SOWR and
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  Speaker 15: he the main guy, the guy is responsible for bringing
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  Speaker 15: her over to the house in the first place, described
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  Speaker 15: her as she couldn't form words and only knew she
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  Speaker 15: was alive because he could hear her shouty breathing.
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  Speaker 14: And he says he did not call for help because.
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  Speaker 15: He was afraid that lincos knew where his daughter and
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  Speaker 15: his grandson lived, and he was afraid for it.
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  Speaker 14: It's no excuse not to one one should have been.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I want to see Fisher please. He was afraid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, guess what if the purp had been put behind
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  Speaker 2: bars for this, he would have nothing to be afraid of.
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  Speaker 1: But he's not behind.
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  Speaker 2: Bars because nobody did a damn thing.
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  Speaker 8: I think it looks bay you tiple me?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I think I look great and black. I always have.
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  Speaker 10: Not nobody could look this good and black.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, seriously, I look awesome and black.
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  Speaker 3: After spending her early years in foster care, Holland was
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  Speaker 3: adopted at age ten, Finding love and stability with her
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  Speaker 3: new parents. She maintained close ties with her former foster family,
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  Speaker 3: speaking to them daily.
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  Speaker 2: Her foster mom, Leslie, assumes that Holland is say she
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  Speaker 2: has no reason to suspect otherwise, But then you realize
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  Speaker 2: you haven't heard from her in a week, and were
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  Speaker 2: shocked to see a Facebook post from Heather, her former
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  Speaker 2: foster mom, wondering, Hey, has anybody seen Holly in? Tell
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  Speaker 2: me about that moment when you realize nobody knew where
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  Speaker 2: she was.
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  Speaker 4: Chrit I saw Heather's posts on Facebook, and as soon
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  Speaker 4: as I saw it, I was like, something's wrong, and
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  Speaker 4: I've had some lot circumstances happening, and realized that I
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  Speaker 4: hadn't spoken with her since September two, twenty seven. That
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  Speaker 4: was the night before my birthday. We talked for a
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  Speaker 4: long time that night, and as soon as I saw
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  Speaker 4: the post, I was just shocked because I knew that
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  Speaker 4: something was wrong. Holland spoke to her mother absolutely every
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  Speaker 4: day without feul text call, something she had constant contact
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  Speaker 4: with her mother, and I knew if Heather didn't know
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  Speaker 4: where she was, that's something.
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  Speaker 16: That had happened.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: So to you, Heather, this is Colin's adoptive mom. You
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  Speaker 2: guys spoke all the time, and I take it that
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  Speaker 2: you realized something was horribly wrong.
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  Speaker 1: When did that dawn on you?
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  Speaker 4: About nine to ten days later when I hadn't heard
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  Speaker 4: from her. Then I was like thinger bay and that's
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  Speaker 4: when I went to the police, or went to Leslie
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  Speaker 4: and then went to the police.
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  Speaker 2: Now, interesting to police poo poohed you. What happened when
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  Speaker 2: you went to police about hauland missing?
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  Speaker 4: I went between Kingsport City in Kingsport County and they
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  Speaker 4: both gave me the run around because she was an adult.
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  Speaker 4: Once I explained that she had an IQ of sixty
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  Speaker 4: four wasn't exactly capable of making adult decisions. They still
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  Speaker 4: wanted me go to one and then go to the other.
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  Speaker 4: And because I could not prove where she was last,
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  Speaker 4: then they didn't want to help me period because I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know the exact location that you went missing from.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, you know to u, Steve Fisher, that's
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  Speaker 2: what happens when people go missing. You don't know where
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: they were last. You don't know where they went missing from.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And I've seen it over and over and over when
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a teen goes missing, the parents are told, oh, they're
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: come back. That's total bs.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: These two moms knew she was gone, and.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yet they were brushed off.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Steve. How often do you see that?
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: Ninety five percent of the time.
• 22:28
  Speaker 15: It's especially if it's a person that's you know, run away,
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: that's gone missing before. But in this case, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 15: they were saying, listen, she's an adult, she's allowed to
• 22:39
  Speaker 15: go missing. She doesn't have to check in with you,
• 22:41
  Speaker 15: she doesn't want to, and they just thought she would
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: surface after a few days and then you know that
• 22:47
  Speaker 15: obviously did not happen, and here we are. You know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: that gives giving you know, a huge head start to
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: the people responsible for this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: After she's reported missing Holland's friend comes forward about Lee
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: being haul in at Lincus's home and admits he brought
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: hall In there for more than a party. Lincos specifically
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: asked this friend to bring a girl over. Hallen was
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: last seen at Lincus's four days after she was left there.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: Hallen was barely conscious and clearly in bad chap.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: We know that she was pretty much unconscious, not able
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: to articulate, not able to form sentences or anything like
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: that from there. I have no idea where she could
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: be or.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: What happened from our friends at Missing People in America.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That has got to haunt you, Leslie. The shape that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: holly In was in, it does.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Importing. That's one of the hardest thing here is to
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: know that she was like that. What's no help.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'd like to stress that no one has been charged
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and no one has been named a suspect, and they're
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: all presumed. What happens then, Leslie and Heather go into
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: high gear trying to find the beautiful little girl they've
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: devoted their lives to.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: Going off Holland's last known location, Leslie and Heather's plaster
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: Bell Ridge Road with Holland's missing flyers, hoping someone will
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: recognize her. Stephen Lincous, the last person Holland was seen with,
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: gets one look at a poster and flees to Georgia
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: in his mother's car.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Holland's trusting nature made her believe in the goodness of others,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: but not everyone had her best interests at heart. Both
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: her foster and adoptive family grew worried when she suddenly
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: went silent after meeting a much older man.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You know what too, Leslie and Heather first to you, Heather, Heather.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: My twins have just turned eighteen. And of course we
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: all know that our children know more than a lot
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: more than we think they do.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But I look at them.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Sleeping at night. And my son is six' six by the,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: way so he's. Big but they're so, precious and they're so.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Innocent and WHEN i think Of Holly enn looking like
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: my children about that, age but with the mind of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a ten year, old sleeping an innocent child's, sleep wanting
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to be grown. Up and she probably thinks that means
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: wearing lipstick and a.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Bra you, know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: She has no, idea and she's literally thrown in a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: den of, wolves this sweet little girl and if we
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: stand by and do, nothing we're just as bad as
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the people at the, party AND i do not want
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to be put in the same pot to stew with. Them,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: heather your message tonight to anyone that's listening about your.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Girl if you can help in any, way if you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: anything if you have spoken to anyone that either knows her,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: name please coom forward share her. Story help me find my.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: DAUGHTER i love, HER i THOUGHT i could protect her
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: forever THAT i need your help in that. Endeavor please
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: help me find my.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: CHILD i don't even know where you get to strength
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to say that without breaking down in.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Tears NOW i want to go To.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Leslie this is a woman that devoted herself As holland's foster,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: mom and you know how hard that is being a foster.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Mom and these two, ladies warriors with hearts of, gold
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: take in a child most people wouldn't take because she's developmentally.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Challenged see WHEN i look At, HOLLAND i see everything
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: bright and, beautiful sugar and spice and everything. NICE a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: lot of people would see her as a developmentally challenged
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: child that they won't touch with a ten foot. Pole
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: but you took her and worked with her and love.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Her what is your message? Tonight it hurts me to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: just go through the facts that people don't really. Know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: HOLLAND i would, say do the right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Thing seven hundred and sixty one days. In you have
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: failed her every day since, then and we're, tired and
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: we want answers for what has, happened and we want
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: to be able to bring her home in one form or.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Another it's time to do the right. Thing you failed
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: her over and over, again and we need her.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Home witnesses Say holland was last seen in the basement
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: At lincous's. Home Sullivan County sheriff's Searched lincos's home and
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the car he drove To, georgia but have not revealed the.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Results hallenn only carried her phone with her To lincous's,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: home and while the device has not been, located HER
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: sim card is found in another man's device after pinging
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Near Bell ridge in Both tennessee And. Virginia why is.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: This little girl simcar from her phone stuck in another
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: guy's phone and why DO i have this? Right Sydney
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Sumner Crime stories investigative. Reporter the moment That leslie And
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: heather start putting up missing people posters everywhere blanketing the. Area,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: lankas who is not a suspect or person of, interest
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: takes off to where, else to mommy's, house heads To.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Georgia DO i have that? Right?
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: Yes he takes his mother's car From tennessee after getting
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: just one look at that missing person flyer and takes
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: off To, georgia where he's. Arrested and after that, arrest
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: spending time in jail for petty drug, charges he's extradited
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: back To tennessee again on charges of drug. Charges so
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: he's back and forth in and out of jail ever.
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: Since he flees afraid of a piece of paper With
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: holland's name on, it very.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Well Put Sydney Sumner franz At.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Borgharts don't you just hate it when your client takes
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: one look at a missing person poster and they all
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you see from them is elbows and. Tailhole they. Gone
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: they leave that moment he sees a missing person's poster
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and leaves.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Town if that is not a, DAMMY i don't know what.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Is, oh dear listening, forward listen to, this go, ahead
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: thanks thanks for.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Nothing listen to.
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: This Stephen lincus gives conflicting answers about Hall. In he
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: claims a family member in a red truck Picked hallin,
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: up and other times blames the others living at thirteen
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: Fifteen Bellridge drive in their own residence despite fleeing To.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: Georgia when he Learns holland as reported, Missing lincus ends
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: every questioning with a similar, answer as far as he,
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: Knows holland should be okay out there.
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: Somewhere, Hi, Heydan i'm.
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: Stressed right, now and you know it's been. Stressful i've
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: been talking to the detectives for the last five.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Hours, WELL i mean they just you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 17: Know they're down here From Sullivan county asking me About.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: Holland sow did you hear?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: That? Bergheart he's. Stressed this little girl was beaten to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a pulp according to, witnesses by, him and he's stressed
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: because he has to talk to. Police you know, what
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: when a cop talks to, ME i don't feel. Stressed
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: isn't that? Odd what a coinky?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Dink is it an?
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: Admission? Sure but is it an admission of? What and
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: SO i hate to split that, Hair, nancy BUT i,
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: mean you, know this is just another reason why you
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: don't want your client to get on the phone and
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: run his, mouth BECAUSE i, mean it certainly does look,
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: Damning it certainly does look. Inculpatory BUT i don't know
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: that this necessarily puts him as the person that either
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: kidnapped her or did something to.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Her mm hmm mm. Hmm, yeah so he beat her
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and somebody else took. Her, okay maybe it was the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Little green men From. Mars and again he has not
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: been charged in this. Case but you said he shouldn't
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: talk on the. Phone, hello they're recording your phone. Calls behind.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Bars he's behind bars on drug. Charges let's listen to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: more of Mister linca's crying to.
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: Mommy there's some discrepancies in my timeline and every damn
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: thing else like, That and it's because it don't look
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: right like there was a day on the twenty third
• 31:32
  Speaker 17: or something that you, KNOW i thought about coming back,
• 31:35
  Speaker 17: home AND i drove all the way Into, tennessee and
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: the card's been tagged by a damn.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Tag, reader and they wanted.
• 31:42
  Speaker 17: To know WHY i went that far up In tennessee
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: and then turned around and came back and all that,
• 31:47
  Speaker 17: Stuff and, Well i'd left my damn phone sitting At
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: david's house and didn't think about having my phone or.
• 31:52
  Speaker 17: Nothing as the stress of everything going, on you know
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: WHAT i, mean it's just one thing after the other.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Man Steve, fisher what stress the? Stress, Uh leslie And
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: heather putting up missing person? Posters that stressed him?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Out?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Why and do you hear what he, says there's some
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: discrepancies in my timeline and every damn thing else like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: That and it's because it it don't look. Right you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: notice how he, Goes oh the way the is he
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: didn't say it's Because i'm lying through my. Ass he
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't say, that he, says and it's because it it
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: don't look. Right, yeah it doesn't look. Right so what
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: stressed him out the fact that he's got two mothers
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: three inches up his tailpipe trying to find their.
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: Daughter, yeah because at this point he hasn't even been arrested.
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: Yet SO i don't know what he's so stressed, about,
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: Right it's just literally when the sign's been, up he
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: borrowed forty dollars from somewhere for gas and took off
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: without with his car and, uh you, know hung out
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: In tennessee and then obviously thought about coming.
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: Back and how to change of. HEART i don't believe
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: for many left his phone.
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: Behind i've listened hours and hours of these, calls and
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: it's very clear that he tried to put a story.
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: Together it just wasn't a very good.
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: One and, uh you know he, uh he's just he's just,
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: lying you, Know and he doesn't want to answer questions
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: about what happened To. Holland and that's what we. Need
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: we need him to man up people that were there
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: to man up.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Hauland was last seen At Stephen lincas's home where he
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: took her to a. Party authorities remain uncertain in halland survived.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Like, That and of course he opens his pie hole
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and talks on the phone behind bars.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Too who Else? Mommy, okay just f, yi.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody there is A there is no mommy child privilege
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: like attorney client privilege or husband wife privilege or priest parishioner.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Privilege all of this would.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Come into evidence If mommy tells the truth on the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Stand so let's see what else he.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: Says the thing was, girl, man you, know you know
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: that really stocks because she seems like a really decent,
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: person you know WHAT i, Mean and no one's heard from.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Her i'm supposing you, know you haven't said. Nothing you,
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: know LAST i spoke.
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: To the, detectors they were still inquiring about, Her Karen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Stark do you hear him call her this?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Girl without a?
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: Doubt?
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: Nancy he called her this, girl and that's. Depersonalization, otherwise
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: he's distancing himself from who she is because she's not
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: a real person to. Him and if you think about,
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: it that's the kind of predatory he. Is he's choosing
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: someone who's so, diminutive who's so tiny and really can't
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: fight for, herself and so she's not real to. Him
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: she could have been a doll as far as he's.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Concerned that really jumped out at, me the way he
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: refers to her as this. Girl and of course there's.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: More, listen you know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: What i'm worried about is That, brad him and that
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: Girl trish Do.
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: Opius and remember they had that one person overdose up
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: there In, taylor And i'm afraid. That you, KNOW i
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: told you she had a thing for, bread And i'm
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: afraid something happened, there you know WHAT i, Mean.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: This little girl with the mind of a ten year
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: old has a quote thing For.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: BRAD i, MEAN i love.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It it's called finger pointing every which. Way but, Here
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: so do you hear, This Sidney sunder didn't you tell
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: me he was in two jurisdictions on drug.
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: Charges that's, correct In Bartow, County. Georgia he spent some
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: time there and was brought back To Sullivan.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: County oh but, Now, sidney he's worried about Effing brad
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And trish because they do.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Opiates i'd like to know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Where they bought. Them but that's a whole nother kettle of.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Fish more on the recorded jail, Calls, listen there's just you.
• 36:03
  Speaker 17: Know questioning me about you, know what's going on and.
• 36:06
  Speaker 17: Stuff AND i, mean you, know of Course lisa's not
• 36:09
  Speaker 17: forthcoming with the information and every damn thing of what
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: she told, me and so that new information to. Them
• 36:16
  Speaker 17: and SO i, mean it looks Like i'm the last
• 36:19
  Speaker 17: person to see, her you know WHAT i. Mean and
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: so it's been. STRESSFUL i told him Everything i've told
• 36:24
  Speaker 17: you already and.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Everything oh, gosh, darn this is so. Stressful looks LIKE
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: i was the last one to see her.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Alive, Okay Steve.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: FISHER i, mean slippery as an, ill looks like, Uh
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: i'm the last person to see, her you know WHAT i.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Mean do you hear?
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: That, Yeah and he, SAYS i told them everything That
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: i've told.
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: You in other, Words i've stayed on the, story is
• 36:49
  Speaker 15: what he's, saying and he reiterates that several times That,
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: lisa who lived in a trailer on the, property did
• 36:56
  Speaker 15: not stay on the story because they had come up
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: with a plan to blame us.
• 36:59
  Speaker 14: On a drug.
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: Dealer and that's what he's upset, about because the mom's, saying,
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: listen the textans are, saying our story doesn't match hers,
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: anymore and so he's in code trying to tell, her you,
• 37:12
  Speaker 15: know if you, KNOW i told them everything THAT i told,
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: you and that's in other, words that's the only part
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: of the.
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: Story you should go come.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Out you, know To franz At. Borghart veteran defense Attorney
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Sidney sumner pointed out something off.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Camera he's starting to.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Speak about her in the past. Tense i'll never forget
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: When Scott peterson did that while the search was on
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: For lacy and their unborn, Child. Connor he said she was,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: amazing AND i remember WHEN i heard, THAT i nearly
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: fell over this, Guy, lincas who is not charged with the,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: crime is talking About holland in the past. Tense do
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you think you need to tell your clients don't talk
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: about victims in the past tense while they're still.
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: Missing you know the worst part about this is every
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: single time you make a jail, Call, nancy it says
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: this phone call is being, recorded like it couldn't be plainer.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Anyway AND i think that's the worst part of. This
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the worst part of this as a nineteen year old
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: girl with the mind of a ten year. Old now she's,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: missing and this guy's the last one to see.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Her that's what's the bad. Part you're upset.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: That your clients don't pay attention when they hear this
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: call is being. Recorded that is your problem right, Now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: Borgart you asked me IF i was upset about my
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: client's making references to victims in the past. Tense, yes in.
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: General in, general referring to the victim in the past
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: tense is a huge. Admission AND i would advise a
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: client not only not to talk on the phone of a,
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: prison but not to talk about individuals that are missing
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: where you can be placed with them before they've been gone.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Missing this, Guy Steven well you, know you're absolutely, correct
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and that's why you win so many. CASES i don't like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it but we have an adversarial system that is our
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: system of, justice AND i accept. That i'm sure you're
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: going to be gnashing your teeth and switching your tail
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: when you hear. This here Is Stephen lincas again on
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a jail house call to, mommy just really pouring out his,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: heart blaming two people Named brad And trish as being
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: fing slimy as F he's quite the poet with his
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: use and mastery of The english. Language, LISTEN i just
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: feel Like brad and are slimy as and there's something
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: going on, there you.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: KNOW i think there's some kind of relationship Between brad And,
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: trish AND i think it's like a jealous type thing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: Too i'm not quite sure WHAT i mean and what
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: makes you play that as the things That lisha, Said
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: and then everybody's making it difficult because you, know it
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: involves their direct fivers and that type of, thing and
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: so no one's saying, nothing you know WHAT i.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Mean the search For holland also called Affectionately Holly inn
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: is On Steve. Fisher there was a massive search of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: sixty acres by police and.
• 40:22
  Speaker 14: Volunteers, yeah there was a search of a. Property you,
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: know a tip had come.
• 40:28
  Speaker 15: In, actually somebody had called me and said they were
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: at this house and a dog had come up with
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: what they thought was a human leg bone in its,
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: mouth and that brought law enforcement out with some thedaver.
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: Dogs but there was no hit on, there and there
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: has since been a large volunteer search because it is
• 40:44
  Speaker 15: a big, property and we did property and we had
• 40:47
  Speaker 15: some intelligence of there being a, yard barn and specific
• 40:51
  Speaker 15: that she might be located, in but everything came back.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Negative so, far is this in and Around lincas's.
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: Home i'd say it's about six eight MILES i believe from,
• 41:04
  Speaker 15: there but it's it's definitely been in range of you, know.
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: You, know some place you could take her in that car.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Well Steve. Fisher hollins's disappearance has sparked fears of a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: serial killer in this, area AND i assume that's because
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: of the disappearance Of Layla.
• 41:24
  Speaker 15: Santanello, yeah And i'm the investiator on both those, cases
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: and So i'm familiar with both AND i get why
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: people are tying the two. Together, however we have nothing
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: that shows that they really are. Linked you, know there
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: are two separate. Events we actually have a good idea
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: of what happened To laila as. Well but you, know
• 41:44
  Speaker 15: in this, case, listen there's other people that know what.
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: Happened there's other people that are.
• 41:49
  Speaker 15: Involved This brad guy that he's trying to lay it
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: on is the guy who brought her To lincas's. House
• 41:55
  Speaker 15: he knows that by using that name it you, know
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: law enforcement's already linked that to hit him To, brad
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: so he's trying to lay it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: Off on him.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Again no one has been charged or named a person
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of interest in this. Case to A Leslie. Hunt this
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Is holland's foster, mom joined By, heather her adoptive. Mind,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: leslie you have gotten the run around from law. Enforcement, explain.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Whenever someone goes, missing you think some things will go
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: a certain. Way they just have not gone the way
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: we think that they should. Go we know that we're
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: not prove you to a lot of information that you
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: would think that we would be given more information than
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: we have been. Given there are some texts that are entuned,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: in and it seems like they know the answers to
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: who sent those. Texts that they will not reciprocate With Steve,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: fisher our private, investigator who we have full faith. In
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: it just seems like a lot Of Tom's holland's case
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: has been pushed off to the, side and we've, had you,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: know meeting after meeting with, them as we are allowed,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: to and it just seems like there are lots Of
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: there are, three you, know separate entities working this.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Case and WHILE i understand that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: They can't reciprocate all, information it would be helpful if
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: they would take into account and consideration what Ste fisher
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: has done so far and.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The information that he.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Holds he's been very good at getting witnesses to come
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: forward and speaking with, them and it's just not reciprocated
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: the way it should.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Be joining us tonight in the search For holland two
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: very special. Guests It's Detective Anthony, stevens lead detective in the,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: case And Captain Richard, frasier the captain of The Criminal
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Investigation division there In Sullivan.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: County, gentlemen thank you for being with.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Us this is taking a really long time to. Solve
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: and let me tell, you as a former, prosecutor that's
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the last THING i want to. See the last THING
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: i want to do is put together a cold case
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: what if anything is happening now.
• 44:17
  Speaker 18: Detective, so since the beginning of the, investigation we've conducted
• 44:23
  Speaker 18: eighty four approximately eighty four interviews of. Individuals we've also
• 44:28
  Speaker 18: conducted two residential search warrants related to. This approximately fourteen
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: electronical or data related search warrants was. Done we've had
• 44:40
  Speaker 18: approximately three vehicles that we did search warrts on that we,
• 44:43
  Speaker 18: searched and there was two INDIVIDUAL'S dna that we had
• 44:47
  Speaker 18: to get a search wart. For we've also subpoented approximately
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: six electronical or data related. Material we received consent to
• 44:58
  Speaker 18: search approximately four areas of, property residential property or. Land
• 45:04
  Speaker 18: we've also received one INDIVIDUAL'S dna by consent and approximately
• 45:10
  Speaker 18: eight electronic or data related devices that we got consent. Search,
• 45:14
  Speaker 18: also we've had a census from The Tennessee bureau Of
• 45:18
  Speaker 18: investigation since the beginning of. It they've helped us With
• 45:22
  Speaker 18: they supplied us with a withdrone technology to search like
• 45:27
  Speaker 18: areas of land for disturbed. Ground we've had several agents
• 45:33
  Speaker 18: that's assisted with us on this investigation and analysts to gather.
• 45:36
  Speaker 18: Information we've also Utilized canaine cadaver dogs that was used
• 45:42
  Speaker 18: on various, properties and we conducted grid searches on all
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: the properties that we've.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Been for.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Crime stories With Nancy grace to Take Anthony.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Stevens you, know the family believes nothing is being. Done
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: maybe it's a communication issue because WHEN i would be
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: working a case in the midst of, it ankle, deep knee,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: deep hip deep in, investigations driving all over the city Of,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: atlanta taking helicopters to scenes that were far, away going
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: to the crime. LAB i didn't think every, Night i'm
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: gonna check in with the, family.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Because you're in the thick of.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: It but the family from their point of, view And
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: i've been there as a crime victim, myself it's like
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: trying to get, answers trying to find something in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: dark with the blind folding earplugs. In you don't know
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: where to, turn you don't understand what's. Happening SO i
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: understand their. Confusion they're, hurt they want. Answers do you
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: think you're Close do you think you're close to?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It a Rest.
• 47:03
  Speaker 18: So we definitely understand that they want. Answers we want
• 47:06
  Speaker 18: answers to and you, know unfortunately there is some things
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: that we cannot supply them due to this ben and ongoing.
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: Investigation so you, know we try to talk to them
• 47:18
  Speaker 18: about some things that we can supply, them but we
• 47:21
  Speaker 18: don't want to give too much obviously to the public
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: that could hurt this. CASE i don't want to say.
• 47:27
  Speaker 18: Whether we can't really go into whether we're, close but
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: it is being. WORKED i, mean just last week we
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: literally did a grid search and used canine cadaver dogs
• 47:37
  Speaker 18: on a property And king. Support so it's been worked
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: since day. One but we try to supply the answers
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: that were allowed to give that won't hurt this or
• 47:46
  Speaker 18: emped this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Investigation detective And captain, again thank you for being with.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Us we have heard through witnesses That holland was seen
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: at a party which turned out not to be already
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: at all With stephen lincous and that she was steen
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: At Stephen lincas's mother's, home that she was severely. Beaten
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: nobody did a thing like.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Call you or nine one.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: One they stood by with this teen girl who has
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the mind of a little. Child there's no telling what
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: was done to her before she was, killed AND i
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: have no doubt that she was. Killed have you spoken
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to any of those witnesses that could confirm.
• 48:35
  Speaker 18: That so you, know obviously there's not a lot of
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: the specifics we can go in on, that but the
• 48:41
  Speaker 18: witnesses that have came forward that was there or has came,
• 48:45
  Speaker 18: forward we've spoken with and we've took. Statements LIKE i,
• 48:50
  Speaker 18: SAID i, mean we've got approximately eighty four statements we've
• 48:52
  Speaker 18: taken so, far just from people that either knew holland
• 48:55
  Speaker 18: heard some information tips that came.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: In can you con that she was at that so called?
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: Party we can't confirm whether there is EVEN i MEAN i.
• 49:07
  Speaker 18: PARTY i, mean we can confirm, THAT i mean she
• 49:12
  Speaker 18: was she did have contact on that, property but we
• 49:15
  Speaker 18: can't confirm whether there was a party there or anything like.
• 49:18
  Speaker 14: That we can confirm.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That She's, okay forget the. Party that was what she
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: was told she was going to a. Party it was
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: no party at. ALL i think she was being served
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: up like A thanksgiving turkey on a. Platter to an
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: abuser that that's WHAT i. Think it's like ordering a.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Pizza he's tried of one, girl so he orders. Another
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: let me rephrase the, question, detective can you confirm she
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was ever at that particular home leading up to.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: The time she.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Disappeared, yes well that's certainly a. Start have you managed
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: to speak To Stephen lincols would he even speak to?
• 49:53
  Speaker 18: You so we have spoke To Stephen LINCAS i believe three,
• 49:57
  Speaker 18: times and we received a.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Statement you got a.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Statement is he a suspect or even A? Poi a
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: person of interest in the.
• 50:05
  Speaker 18: Case, so with this still being an ongoing, investigation we
• 50:09
  Speaker 18: obviously don't want To we don't want to speak on
• 50:11
  Speaker 18: that right at the. Moment but LIKE i, said this
• 50:13
  Speaker 18: is still an ongoing investigation and we want to try
• 50:15
  Speaker 18: to maintain that. Integrity we.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Can't, WELL i understand, that. Detective the last thing a,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: prosecutor at some point in the future wants is for
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: you to name a person of interest or suspect and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: then it turns out to be somebody, else because then
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: that's perfect fodder for the. Defense they'll, say, hey weren't
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you on Crime stories and you Said lincos is a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: person of, Interest lincus is a suspect and it turns
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: out to be his best. Friend, yeah we don't want. That,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: okay let me rephrase that question as. Well do you
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: believe you have identified at least a person of, interest
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: if not a, suspect whether it's Linc us or.
• 50:54
  Speaker 18: NOT i do believe that we've, identified you, know person
• 51:00
  Speaker 18: of interest that we have put some time in to look.
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: Into that's for sure.
• 51:05
  Speaker 18: Happening but you, know, obviously like you, stated we don't
• 51:09
  Speaker 18: want to jump the. Gun we don't want to make
• 51:12
  Speaker 18: things out to be something that you know it may not.
• 51:14
  Speaker 18: Be we we have to do everything in our power
• 51:17
  Speaker 18: to do everything correctly because we want a really good
• 51:20
  Speaker 18: ending on this, case as anybody.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Would do you have a theory on what?
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Happened do you believe which is of course not admissible in,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: court but do you believe you know what?
• 51:32
  Speaker 18: HAPPENED i believe we have an idea.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yesday since they are a public, record a search, warrant
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: hopefully a return on that search, warrant can you tell
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: us anything about the specific searches you? LISTED a lot of,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: work a lot of, searches a lot of, SUBPOENAS dna
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you name, it whether it's consensual or by search? Warrant
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: can you tell, us because they are public, RECORD i
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: assume about the searches what was?
• 51:57
  Speaker 18: Searched so the residences obviously you know we state that
• 52:02
  Speaker 18: we've done residential search. Warrents we don't obviously want to
• 52:05
  Speaker 18: go into detail where these residents was, at but, uh you,
• 52:09
  Speaker 18: know anything that was helpful that could help the investigation
• 52:13
  Speaker 18: we obviously was looking, for we. Did uh we did
• 52:18
  Speaker 18: fourteen electronical search warrants either cell, Phones facebook stuff like
• 52:23
  Speaker 18: that general. Stuff but you, KNOW i believe that search
• 52:27
  Speaker 18: warrans are under seal right now due to this still
• 52:30
  Speaker 18: being an active, Investigation, uh because we don't want to
• 52:33
  Speaker 18: we don't throw all that out, there you know WHAT i?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Mean, YEAH i, do did do?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: You AND i understand that you did Locate HOLLAND'S sim
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: card from her, Phone.
• 52:44
  Speaker 18: So with this still being an ongoing, investigation that's also
• 52:48
  Speaker 18: not something that we're we're going to be able to you,
• 52:51
  Speaker 18: know tell you right. Now but we will clarify though
• 52:55
  Speaker 18: that she we do not to know that she had
• 52:57
  Speaker 18: a phone that night or during the last time she
• 53:00
  Speaker 18: spoke with her mother or.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Family, what if, anything do you want the public to
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: know about this? Case how could the public help you if.
• 53:10
  Speaker 18: They could, so anybody that had contact With holland Between
• 53:14
  Speaker 18: september And october and twenty twenty, three we encourage you
• 53:17
  Speaker 18: to come forward and speak with us about any contact
• 53:20
  Speaker 18: you had with her or if anything was. Off we
• 53:24
  Speaker 18: also asked to public provide accurate. Information we've received a
• 53:27
  Speaker 18: lot of inaccurate information that's impeed this. Investigation so if
• 53:31
  Speaker 18: we can get accurate, information good information to go, on
• 53:34
  Speaker 18: we would we would really be thankful for. That if
• 53:38
  Speaker 18: anybody had any contact or has any temp, information we
• 53:40
  Speaker 18: encourage you to CONTACT tbi one eight HUNDRED tbi find
• 53:44
  Speaker 18: or you can call soul Canst serff's office at four
• 53:47
  Speaker 18: two three to seven nine seven five zero.
• 53:50
  Speaker 19: Zero AND i think to add to, that anybody that
• 53:53
  Speaker 19: thinks they have just a little bit of, information we're
• 53:56
  Speaker 19: looking for small details of information at this so if
• 54:00
  Speaker 19: anybody thinks a third information is not, relevant we're imploring
• 54:04
  Speaker 19: them to come forward and to give us a call
• 54:07
  Speaker 19: because that might be the small piece of the puzzle
• 54:09
  Speaker 19: that we're.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Missing do you believe this is now a homicide case
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: or is it a missing person's?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Case?
• 54:14
  Speaker 18: Detective So i'm still we still have to work this
• 54:19
  Speaker 18: as a missing person's.
• 54:20
  Speaker 14: Case that's what it is at this, moment missing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Person and what if any message do you want to
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: send To holland's family.
• 54:28
  Speaker 18: Tonight we are more than welcome to be as upfront
• 54:33
  Speaker 18: and honest about anything that we can, be BUT i
• 54:35
  Speaker 18: think that it's important to understand that to maintain the integrity,
• 54:39
  Speaker 18: investigation we can't release a lot of. DETAILS i wish we,
• 54:43
  Speaker 18: could AND i wish we could be more open about certain,
• 54:45
  Speaker 18: things but if we want to do this, correctly we.
• 54:48
  Speaker 14: Can't we can't do.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: That joining us, Tonight Detective Anthony, stevens lead detective on
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: The Holland snap, disappearance along With Captain Richard, fraser is
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: as The captain of The Criminal Investigation division there In Sullivan.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: County, gentlemen good, luck thank you.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: For being with. Us if you know or think you
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: know anything About holland also Called holly in, disappearance please
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Contact Sullivan County. Sheriffs we Remember american Hero Lieutenant Michael,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Hill MEMPHIS, pd killed in a line of duty after
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: serving the public thirty three, years leaving behind his, wife
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: now Widow american Hero Lieutenant Michael, Hill Nancy grace signing off,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: goodbye f