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Served on a Silver Platter: The Execution of John the Baptist · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to season six, episode five.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Christmas.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Christmas, Megan.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Merry Christmas.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: To all.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: To all a good podcast.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: A good podcast night.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: If uh if I'm on schedule, this should be coming out either like right before or on Christmas.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: We like that.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on I've been on schedule this year.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: We've been good.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Again.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've been better than I have in the past.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I always start off good and then the season gets a little eh.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's tough for both of us because again, it's tough just to schedule these nights together, especially during the holidays.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then obviously with Megan and your editing and everything, it's just like we always have this grandiose plan of like, all right, these are the dates we're releasing, these are the dates we're recording, and within a couple weeks we're calling each other, like, hey, so what if this day instead?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: But you've been really good this time.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Excuse me, I'm really full from dinner.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Did you hear that?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: I pretended not to.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, here we are.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry if you heard that.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse me.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um how was dinner, Megan?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about your dinner.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can't.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: I can't start off laughing so early into the recording.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Two minutes in.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, well, happy Christmas.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I've been releasing episodes Wednesday mornings like every other Wednesday, trying to keep on that cadence.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how are your holidays right now?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, currently.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: They are fantastic.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, obviously, we're recording a little early, so we could release this uh closer to Christmas or on Christmas.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am actually going to be in Colorado for Christmas.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna drive back with uh Robbie and the dog, and we're gonna do the whole 12 to 14 hour drive depending on traffic.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: That is a drive.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: I actually I do like road trips.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I enjoy being in a car, I enjoy seeing the sights.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, sure, you know, it gets a little tedious sometimes, and but I'm not the one driving.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great for you.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you're the passenger princess.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I am, I can do whatever I want.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's snacks and music.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can read.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like a lot of people can't read in a car.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: I get super motion sickness.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even like look down at the radio or something.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go on your phone?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, really?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get zick.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how you can just straight up read a book.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: I always have.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but I could crush an entire book on a car ride.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Can you read in the back seat?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can read anywhere.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I really don't get car sick.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: I did go to one girlfriend's like bachelorette party recently, and we had had like a sprinter van.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and I was in the very back of that seat, and like, or whatever you call it.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Back, back row, because there's like five rows.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's the first time I was back there reading and like eating and chilling, and I was like, wait, yeah.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is this what people talk about when that's it?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: When you get car sick?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: The dizziness and the no.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: But that I feel like that's a special circumstance.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: We also had like letters written on the windows.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like it was really hard to just like put your attention outside and look outside the window because the letters were like in the way.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: What were the I don't even want to know what did the letters say?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Was it for the bachelorette?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever, yeah, is getting married.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: You love that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: But regardless, it was hard to look out.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, just staring at me on letters.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: But all good.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I made it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: We did good on our road trip.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: We did a 10-hour road trip.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we we talked the entire time.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like without stopping.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's we could do that.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: We should have just recorded ourselves.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: That could have been a 10-hour, well, there I'm back, 20 hours of just hearing us totally random shit.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Could you imagine if someone actually listened to that?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be sad for them.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I bet we had some awesome stuff to say.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we did.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: We have like funny ideas, we tell really weird random stories.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're good.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: About our dreams and whatnot.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, talk about landmarks, make fun of most of the time we're making fun of people.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that car.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, God, you see that guy?
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Would never wear that.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, that that'll be fun, and I'm glad uh you're taking the doggo and doing a big thing.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: I hope I hope there's snow and I hope he likes the snow.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um has he seen snow?
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: We tried.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: We took him, like if you know Arizona, we took him up to Flagstaff, which is like a northern town, and like it was July.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And there was like a little bit of leftover in July.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's so weird.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like leftover in a ski resort.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I like put him on top of a tiny pile of snow, and he just looked at me like, what?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, am I supposed to react?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, what is this cold?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's okay.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to say, on the theme of Christmas, we have to finally reveal what you didn't say last show about your special gift that you ordered from eBay.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: That I bought for myself.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: Which after listening back to that, I get that that can be weird.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: That I buy myself a gift and wrap it and then say it's from my husband.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to it again and I thought it was less weird the second time.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, it makes sense.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: When I re-listened to it, I was like, I could see someone being really judgmental on that, but whatever, to each their own.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: She also showed me the wrapped-up golf club that you had for Jake.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: I do have a don't tell him oh maybe he's opening it today now.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally the shape of a golf club.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Today, quote today, the day it's it's being really he doesn't listen anymore.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Don't tell him what it is.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: It literally is the shape of a golf club with a bow on it.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like we I think we said this, right?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like in Harry Potter when they wrap up the broomstick, and he's like, What can it be?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a broomstick.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's basically what this golf club looks like.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's open it.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Let's open it.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um I got myself, I posted a video of it, but found on eBay a vintage Department 56 Tower of London Christmas Village little set.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: So cute.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: It just makes me, you know, you just look at something and it just makes you happy.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, it does.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I really want one.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I saw yours and like I've always loved Christmas villages anyway, but I've always thought it'd be cute to do like the Harry Potter winter ones.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like something a little more specific than just like uh like than just a generic Christmas town, even though those are cute on their own.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: But when I saw the Tower of London, I was like, wait, wait.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's part of a 1997 edition of different historical sites.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: So this might turn into a problem because they also have Big Ben, they have Tower Bridge, but obviously they're you know 25, 30 years old.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you can find them on eBay, they're all kind of priced around the same.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like I got a good deal personally.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out seller Lisa, who was great.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she shipped it very quickly and it was all in a still original packaging, and I still had like the box, and yeah, so excited.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it was cute because when I saw it online, the version I saw, there was a little yeoman, but he was holding like a book of carols or a book.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: And mine, I was pleasantly surprised because it's the Raven Master, and he's not holding a book, he's holding a raven, and then there's like you can set up the Ravens.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've been having fun with it.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's so cute.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I play Tower of London.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Set up a little execution scattered.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: I call 35 years old, and I walk in on her like with a mini executioner outside the Tower of London.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna totally build out Tower Green, Tower Hill across the way, put a block.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, I'm just reenacting George Boleyn's execution.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: I could get a little mini executioner and he could wear a Santa hat.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cute, good idea.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: I could really take this far.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if anyone's listening from uh Historic Royal Palaces, wouldn't it wouldn't it be cute if they did all of the old palaces if they did Hampton Court?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would love a Hampton Court one.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean that would be amazing.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I I know Heaver Castle isn't a part of Historic Royal Palaces, but like, you know, if you could do all of those, that would be collect all the castles.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Quite the collection.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd be we need a man.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: If we had a marketing manager, we would go far.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Can we just get like an unpaid intern to like figure this out for us?
• 8:19
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• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you are into uh social media marketing of any of sorts, we have no money for you whatsoever.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, but we have experience for you.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have um ideas.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: What do we have?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: We have ideas.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: What do we have?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: We have wine if you're an Arizona person.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we always make themed dinners on podcasting nights.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: We do.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Drop us your application if you're interested.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Free interns.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we call them free.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Unpaid?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Unpaid interns.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds sad.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was an unpaid intern.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, like you build experience, you can say that you listen to a established podcast that has been around for six years now.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I'm doing that with my handle.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: I actually I had a girlfriend who uh did that exact thing where she was like the unpaid marketing intern.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then she got a real job once the podcast blew up and like made a ton of money.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then like that's what she does now is like she works on different um like I don't know, audiovisual things and like thing because I am not a professional.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what I'm doing.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we figured out social media.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to do actually when I when I received my Tower of London, yeah, I set up my stupid tripod and I thought I was gonna do one of those like unpacking videos.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Unboxing.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: The unboxing reveal videos.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you tried.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I I didn't even show it to you.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Penny is barking her face off the entire time.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you gotta do some music at the back.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm yelling at her.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's I can't open anything.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just we need like a social media editing.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: We want the full package, but we don't want to pay.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yes.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: I second that.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what else is going on?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say one thing you are good at, maybe not unboxing videos, but you're really good at reciting the presidents.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I am.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: And tell our listeners what you did with that fun skill.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my company does a talent show every year.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been at this company now for nine years.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm no longer with that company.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: But that's how we met originally.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they didn't want you anymore.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone wants you.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm teasing.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna sign up this year.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what my talent is, but I'm gonna participate because there's like a$300 prize.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we've been doing it since I was there, which is a long time.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been every year.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I I submitted my application, they played my video, and I the only talent I have is I know all the presidents in order.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Blindfolded.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Blindfolded, so I show that I'm not I I can say them all in order.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I did I didn't tell you this part though.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I think I did get extra like credibility a little bit because it was it was pre-recorded, my video, but then it was in a live Zoom setting where we had like a host and he was asking questions and they were taking questions from the audience, quote unquote, okay, um, of the contestants.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: And someone who was in our London office was like, ha, real impressive, but do you know the British prime ministers?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know the pre the prime ministers, however, I could give you like the lineage of royalty.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'll give you from what I'll start with like Richard III and then go through the Stuarts, and like I like on the spot, like I whipped them out.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: No way.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: So then people were like, oh wait, she's actually crazy.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because like for us it's so normal.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we have like, you know, Henry the Seventh, Henry the Eighth, you know, Edward the Sixth, Jane Gray, Mary First, and people, especially Americans, I feel like, who it's not in their typical history knowledge.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I forget for us it's so normal.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because we talk about this stuff all the time.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for us, we know, you know, who came after Mary first and Elizabeth the first.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then for us it's just second nature.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: But then I saw people's faces like, whoa.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was getting all the chats and people like, I was really impressed with that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Did you plug our podcast at the end?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to be weird about it because it's like a work thing to be like, also, if you're into executions, listen to beheaded.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to make it weird.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I already made it weird.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, I I I don't I find out tomorrow if we win, if if we if I if I win.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or win anything.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just what there is one category for most original, and I'm hoping to get that.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like everyone does the same stuff where it's like there's always someone singing, there's always someone maybe doing like a monologue or a dance.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like that's a very unique thing.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's basically everything.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: There was a couple singers, like three piano players, another like that was there wasn't a lot of contestants this year.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I might I'll let you know next next year.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'll let you know if I got anything out of it.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: And my team is so funny because they're just like, I thought you had a terrible memory.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the heck is this?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do have a terrible memory.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: You do, but I can remember things in order weirdly.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I I I think it's a photographic memory because when I read them off, I can also like look at the page when I wrote when I wrote them down.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I'm I'm not I don't have a photographic memory.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's a photographic memory of lists specifically.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's a selective memory.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well what about you?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what else is going on?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am getting some fruit trees installed in the new year.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very excited actually.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: So we've been looking at citrus trees for a while.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I sound like such an old person.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that one of the gifts of like the 12 days of Christmas?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Don't they get trees in there somewhere?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: You get a partridge and a pear tree.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, in a pear tree.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's close.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I know we're getting a lemon tree for the front yard and an orange tree for the back.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: And like, I don't know why that gives me such joy because it's like I don't have to buy lemons or oranges anymore.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's such a silly small thing, but I think they look beautiful.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like our ne one of our neighbors has this really cool lemon tree, and they're always giving out lemons.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And now we get to be those people and like some barter.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you get lemons.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: When life gives you lemons.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Give them to your friends.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a seasonal thing?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh gosh, I'm trying to think when when my neighbor had them.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but I feel like they're a lot, like they're often.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a long season if it is seasonal.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because I see them very often.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited for you.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's kind of get installed in the beginning of the new year, and I feel like we're like real homeowners now.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Once you're buying that tree.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're committed.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're good.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so uh yeah.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that's all that's going on other than Christmas in Colorado.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Christmas in Colorado.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Very fun.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we kind of have like a Yuletide themed uh person.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Christmas themed, sort of.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, we obviously are a podcast about historical executions.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't really talk politics, religion, like stuff like that, unless it's politics and religion of like the 1300s.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we just want to have a little disclaimer before we like start our story is that we're excited because it is obviously Christmassy themed, because it's in the spirit of like biblical times.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um that being said, obviously, me and Megan are silly.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna probably joke.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: It is in no way to offend anybody.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, and this isn't Jesus.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're not we're not ready for Jesus yet.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if we'll ever be ready for Jesus.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we can.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: But this is close to this is as probably close to Jesus as we might get.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: So this is John the Baptist.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Heard of him?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of him?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: If not, stick around.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, in all honesty, like I want to be sensitive to the topic because obviously he's a saint.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: But um, he more than anything though, like during this episode, beliefs, I whatever anybody believes, beliefs aside, yeah, he was a real person.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's a real man.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: He was a real man with real historical witnesses of things that happened, um, and about his execution and all of that that we'll get into.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's the angle that we're going with.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't, if if you are easily offended over any type of religious topic, maybe maybe skip over this one.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna really try to keep it tame and all of that.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: But um, I it's so funny.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I a couple episodes ago I was talking about how like people are getting weird on social media.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've been weird, but weirder.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: As some of our reels are getting more traction and we're getting on like the millions of views, which is crazy.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: The comments again, and I posted this one video, I meant it to be kind of like snarky about Sir Thomas More and how he refused to cut his hair before he was gonna be beheaded because he said something funny, like, I'm not gonna give the tea I like I'm not gonna sp sp spend any more than I have to on my head, or something, like something kind of witty about that.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, the commons are like got real.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Very polarized, very polarized.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Some just very much like, you know, seeing Thomas More as the saint and like giving that praise, and then the far end of it, like, don't pray to anyone else, and God isn't real.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it just went all over the place.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this wasn't intended to be a religious debate.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Thomas More was a real person.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And nothing that we ever do is intended to be religious debates, right?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we talk about Protestants versus Catholics in the King Henry VIII time, like these are very real things that happen, and like real discourses that were happening.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, Megan and I aren't here to like talk about, you know, I'm not gonna rile up everybody and try to convert you one way or another, or not at all.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's not what we're here for.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's not what we're here for.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: It is funny though, because you are practicing Catholic.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: And my mom is Catholic.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: My dad is Jewish.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like non-denominational Christian.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: My sister's husband is Buddhist, I think.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is he?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he's practicing, but I think his family's Buddhist.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I took out a lot of like Eastern religion classes in in college, which I really enjoyed.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So our Christmas season is very eclectic when you get to our family table.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone's kind of saying their own prayers of what they believe in.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And even my family that was raised Catholic, like a lot of them are not Catholic anymore.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe they found different sects of Christianity, or maybe it's uh maybe they're not religious at all.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like some of them straight up are atheists.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just, you know, it goes many directions.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever way you want to go, whatever your truth is, that is totally cool.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we're not here to again endorse Catholicism or Christianity or like anything.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's really just here's the story about a man that lived, and it's a pretty cool story.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk about why he is the best saint of all the saints and why you're not just kidding.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: John the Baptist, this is what's wild to me.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: The dates.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: The dates to me throw me off.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're hard to say because it's not something you say often.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was born.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have to laugh too, because when he's born, they don't know about Jesus yet.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the wise men know about him.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: But, anyways, he was born in either one or six BC.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was born in year one.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was born in one.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was born in one.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: When were you born?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: One you know, three.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty bizarre.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: And like, I I'll let Megan take, you know, the the early life, but it is known that Jesus was born kind of right after him.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you would assume, I mean, Jesus, his birthday, is how we established time.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, here's BC.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, now we've rebranded it to BCE before Common Era, but for a long time that sort of before Christ.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then it was A D, like a I forget the Latin addominum.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's a new, yeah.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: But that meant like, you know, after Christ.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's again common era or whatever you want to say.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it is just funny that it's like, oh, it's just Yeah.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Or after death was after death.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: So he's born in either one or six BC.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: So John was born to Zachariah and Elizabeth, which is so funny to me.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: That I didn't realize there were Elizabeths back then in the Bible.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess that makes sense because Mary and the names are they would pull from biblical names.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: That would make sense, yeah.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so Zachariah and Elizabeth, and Elizabeth is related to well, she has like two relations that are pretty well known.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: One is she's a cousin to Mary, as in Jesus' mother, like the Mary.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: The Mary.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like the first Mary.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then what was the other one?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: You just said it, and then I Oh, and then she also Elizabeth uh was a descendant of Aaron, and Aaron was the brother of Moses.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we I like they were just using single names, also.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Mary, Aaron, Moses, you know them.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, they're like the main players here.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Zachariah, he's a Jewish priest, and he's a relative to Levi.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, a Levite is the term that they would have used.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: So his father's a Levite.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they're old.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Zachariah and Elizabeth are old.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth is barren, she should not be having children, they are past that age.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: And kind of a similar story of what we've heard before, but a an angel visits Zachariah and says, Elizabeth will be with child, and you are going to, she's gonna give birth to a very important son.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and nine months later, there he is.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: John was born.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: So now we've got John, and I'm gonna fast forward just a little bit because of course there's not so much about like his very early life other than that he grew up in in in Judea again these days, either 20.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sometime between the year 27 and 29.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: So he's in his 20s.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he starts being very active as a prophet.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's not a priest specifically like his father.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Though he does know the scriptures.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he knows all the rituals and he's very close to his religion.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he starts um w wan I want to say wandering really, but he's going through the low the lower Jordan Valley to East Jericho.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he signifies to others that he is a prophet based off of what he's wearing.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: He wears camel hair.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Which I'm trying to picture.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like a hide.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you were to like skin a camel, like you wear that.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Nice color.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Nice camel color.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's quite chic sounding actually.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, it's weird that that didn't continue to be a thing.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And not that I would promote it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think furs are odd and sad and weird.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're so funny.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, my brain.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm sure there was camel in town.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know much about that.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, does anyone wear camel still?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: The camel fashion.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he also ate locusts and honey.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Which is going back, yeah, tasty maybe.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Which is going back to how strict he is with his Jewish beliefs.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he's very much like immersed in the purity laws.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is about being clean and being right and following the rules.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think one thing him and probably his father, who was a Levite, were passionate about is um the fact that just because their current like Jewish leaders were in charge, it didn't mean they weren't evil and they were good people.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like um, we just actually watched the Martin Scorsese uh Saints.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like I guess it's what is it, a miniseries?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there are like mini uh because I think there's only four episodes in total that he uh came out with this.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and they're all different martyrs in the Catholic Church, I think.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so there's a very specific scene at the beginning where like the father's kind of teaching uh John the Baptist about like again, just because you're in power and you're leading men doesn't mean you're good.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean you're leading people in the right way.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I think John the Baptist really grew up knowing that, like, hey, the people that are in charge are just kind of puppets to the Roman Empire.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like they're people that have maybe recently converted to Judaism and are just like acting like they're Jewish for us, but they're not good people, they're not devout people, and they're certainly not like strict when it comes to the faith.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he really took that to the opposite extreme where he wanted to be very specific with what he did, what he preached, how he lived his life.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he again was living out in the wilderness, like basically by the Jordan River the whole time.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Wandering around.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: His overall message that he was sharing with people is God, God's judgment on the world is coming.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Prepare for judgment, repent your sins, and like repentance is just his major message, and he more than anybody believed the Messiah is coming.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that was his main message was again preparing for the second coming, right?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Prepare preparing for the the coming of the Messiah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um through like the the I didn't realize this until we were researching for this episode, but in the Jewish faith, like baptism is more of a purification ceremony, but John really wanted baptism to be about repentance and not just repentance as in like, oh, you feel bad for your sins, but like you're completely deciding to live your life a different way.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he's he's now starting to baptize people in the Jordan River, preaching that the Messiah will come, preaching that through baptism you can have like, you know, repentance, forgiveness of sin, and you can go on and live your life in a different way.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: And again, this having this message of the kingdom of heaven is near, like the kingdom of heaven is coming.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um and according to Matthew, verse 3, or sorry, yeah, Matthew 3, verse 3, um, he says it says, the voice of the one crying in the wilderness, prepare the way for the Lord, make his path straight.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: So he's basically saying, like, he's coming, get your shit together, everybody.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's a great breakdown of what the Bible actually means.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Get your shit together.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: You heard it from Elizabeth.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: In synopsis, yeah, like make your path straight, figure it out.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now it out.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, really quick before, and then I'll let you get back to the baptisms in his message.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I I as I was like researching and trying to gather as much information on John the Baptist, I really like this quote that I found from one article that said, we have to make um allowances must be made for the resources.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because the main resources that we have, again, he was a real person, but the historical like data that we have of any witnesses, it's coming from the gospels.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's coming from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: There was another Jewish historian that the documented things very well, evidently.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Josephus.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's how you say our Josephus.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anyways, between those resources, though, it would be just the gospels and then this one historian, that's where the majority of information to this day has come from John the Baptist.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I like that.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: We have to make allowances for our resources.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It is we there will be some Bible quotes here.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely gonna be Bible quotes, and again, because that's the source.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's our source.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: That is our source.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was said as well that he was very humble in his preaching.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't like, follow me, I will lead you to the promised land or I will lead you to the kingdom of heaven.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was really just very humble, saying, you know, I'm just a person who's gonna lead you to someone greater.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm kind of not again, the word forerunner wasn't necessarily used, but like I'm the precursor.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to lead you to the the this the coming of the Lord, essentially.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I actually I actually want to dispute what you said.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think Forerunner was used.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was used, I think, after okay, because because they didn't know it was coming quite.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: He has some different that's true, you don't know your forerunner until there's the runner.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Good point, good point.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Later on, they John had different names that people gave him, but one of them was St.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: John the Forerunner.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there we go.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I like that.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just funny you use that word.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is weirdly a transcendent word throughout, like, again, the documentary we were watching.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think they used that.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was uh they did see him as the precursor.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the the appetizer before the main course.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Little little locust with honey before you get your your lamb.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Before you get your your real Messiah coming.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was said that when Jesus finally kind of learned of who the John John the Baptist was, went to the river to get baptized.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it was said that as soon as he saw Jesus, like he knew it was him.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like he'd been preaching about him coming.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't know in what fashion.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think he, in his mind, because we have kind of old testament stuff, assumed he might be more powerful looking or domineering or commanding.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then he met Jesus, who was said to have just been so gentle and just like so kind.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: And even when he baptized him, he was kind of like, I think this needs to be the other way around.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're the one who should be baptizing me.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was the overall sentiment that Jesus was like, Well, he's gonna go and start his ministry.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Jesus, before he did, wanted to be baptized with everybody else, like he wanted to wait in line with everybody else.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't gonna portray himself as special or different, he wanted to experience what man experienced.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And again, whether or not you believe that Jesus was Jesus, like you know still happened.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: It still happened, like he he was still a man who did this.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: There was multiple witnesses saying that John did baptize Jesus in the river.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I I just I like this whole image of it, but also I appreciate that Jesus didn't try to take over the show.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he really was like, John is the baptizer, this is his field of specialty.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because for whatever reason, you know, John was so passionate about making that his part of his mission was getting as many people baptized as he could, hence his name, John the Baptizer.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, and it was like, I I don't know if I was waiting in line, I would rather be baptized by Jesus.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, wait, Jesus is here.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sorry, John.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be right back.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Can I have him do it, please?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, it's it's kind of like a funny concept, right?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's weird to think of Jesus getting baptized.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and if again, you're just a person who's living in this area and you don't really know John the Baptist and you don't really know Jesus, but now you're seeing kind of two great men, not I don't want to say come to power because that's the wrong term, but like become well known and start to kind of perform miracles, you're like, Well, who do I follow?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, you know, there's Jesus, there's John the Baptist, but John was the one who was kind of encouraging people to follow Jesus.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: So again, he was the one who humbly said, like, I'm not even qualified to really tie Jesus' shoes, which was seen as like a slave task back then.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like, I'm not even uh, again, like um, you know, powerful enough to do anything for him.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone should be following Jesus.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: So in that way, I think more people were like, okay, like let's get on this this Jesus kick and like let's see what's going on over here.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: But in no way did it seem, I think, like competitive between them.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was more like John knew his role in this relationship and it was to bring people to Jesus.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like that falls back to the genuine gen, I can never say this word, genuity.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Help me out here.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And now you're making me question how to say it.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: The genuine nature.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Genuine nature of where John was coming from because it really shows how selfless he was.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't doing it for fame by any means.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, he wasn't doing it for the likes and the followers, which is so funny that like influencers now that's the term we use.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, how many followers do you have?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but John, yeah, John did have his own followers, but that's that wasn't his goal.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: His goal was like, I'm here to spread the good word.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: And there was look that way.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there was quite a few people who were like, no, I'm loyal to John.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, John's my guy.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna follow him.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and he so he had to very clearly say all the time, like, please follow Jesus.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm here.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you follow Jesus.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: What a great day to show up at the Jordan River, though.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: When you get both of them there, that's like I don't know, that's like when you go to a Taylor Swift concert, but then like Ed Sharon shows up on stage as well.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh dang.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you were gonna say when you go to Pirates of the Caribbean premiere and you see Johnny Depp and Orlando Blue.
• 32:42
  unknown: God.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: We and this is where people start dropping off.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, we prefaced this.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: We said this would be joking.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: We did give a disclaimer.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: We say this fairness, all of our people that end up on the show.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so anyway, so according to John the Baptist, uh uh, once he did baptize Jesus, uh, he said he witnessed the Holy Spirit descend on him, confirming that he was in fact the Son of God.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: So again, if he needed any more validity than his his prophecy and his beliefs that were deep rooted, that was his final, like, yes, this is he's the one.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one we almost followed.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact John was baptizing for about six months before he met Jesus.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who knew that, but I've read it and I wrote it down.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, no, a lot of articles we were going off of was from History Channel, PBS, Britannica, Britannica.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um we actually I didn't read one Wikipedia article for this one.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't either, because it was so freaking long.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: There was no, I don't know who wrote his Wikipedia article, but it was all over the place.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Too long, didn't read.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, yeah, I didn't go off Wikipedia.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I used other sources.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So more reputable ones this time.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you're welcome.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: So all of this is going on, and John is doing all of his baptisms in the rivers, and people are finding realizing that Jesus is is the Messiah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: And meanwhile, Herod is the ruler.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: King Herod.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: King Herod.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: His full name is Herod and Antipause.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Antipas.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Antipas sounds right.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Antipus sounds right.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: A-N-T-I-P-A-S.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Not to be confused with Antipasta, which is delicious.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not antipasta.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're just calling gonna call him Herod though.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Not to really Okay, King Herod.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Not to really overcomplicate things, but my gosh, there were so many Herods happening at the time because his father was King Herod the Great.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: I went down a weird path.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: That guy had so many kids.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Herod Rabbit Hole.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Herod.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: So King Herod's father.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Herod the Great.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Herod the Great had a bunch of kids.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Three of them were executed.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like three of his sons were executed, and I was so confused by their stories.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was trying to read into it.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think I could be wrong on this, but it sounded like the father accused his sons of trying to murder him and had three of them executed.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: How many did he have?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: A lot.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Enough to have three to hack off and not care about.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not even care.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I think he had like 10 plus kids or something, maybe more.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Ten to thirty kids.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere between 10 and 30.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it reminds me of our Clan Douglas episode where everyone's just Douglas, Earl of.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I gotta apologize.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Going back and listening to that while editing it, I'm like, there's a lot of names we're throwing out here.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to keep track.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: But we'll try to keep it simple for this one.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: So King Herod is the ruler, he ruled over Galilee and Perea.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and he did something a little unconventional at the time where he divorced his first wife.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Very strange for that time.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Even stranger is his half-brother, also named Herod.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's lots of siblings, right?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: He was Herod II.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: His half-brother's wife.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Stick with me.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Her brother.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Her name is Herodias.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Herodias.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Herodias divorced Herod II on her own.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Which is pretty cool.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Very powerful for a woman to do that.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what kind of reasoning she was able to like stand on to be allowed to do that.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't find much about how that happened or why.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just that she did.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: She did.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: She divorced.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: So so King Herod divorces his wife.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Herodias divorces her husband, who is King Herod's half-brother.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then Herodias and King Herod get married.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so many Herods.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: You nailed it.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And according to Jewish law, this was illegal.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was illegal to marry your brother's wife.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sound familiar, King Henry VIII?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, two things on this.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not only was it illegal in Jewish culture and religion, but Herodias was technically King Herod's niece.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Don't ask me how.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Don't I'm not gonna draw a map.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to figure out.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like a family tree.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even want to look into it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was confusing my brain.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: But evidently they were related.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: So not only is it illegal for the divorce part of it, but it was also considered incest incest incestuous.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I hate that word, and I can never say it.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't say it often.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Luckily, you don't have to say it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to say it that much.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, year Year Zero was a weird time.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: So weird.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: And when she divorced herself from Herod II, it actually created war because Herod Dias married Herod II out of like a peace treaty situation.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, that's how women were used.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: And by leaving him, was creating like uproar and they going back on a contract.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so the two countries that they came from actually went into war over this.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: See, I knew something you didn't.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's really good.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Look at me.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: King Herod and uh Herodias must have really loved each other to cause him a lot.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so in this time, John the Baptist really wasn't afraid of obviously speaking his mind and being very vocal about the fact that he was upset with the corrupt Jewish leaders, that he was upset with the Roman leaders, that you know, were the ones kind of influencing a lot of these Jewish leaders.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: So when he kind of learns about King Herod and who he is, he was like, that guy's the worst.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, you know, he has done something so illegal, like marrying his brother's wife, like, you know, he he's he's disgusting, like he's evil, he's this, he's that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: So while he's like peacefully baptizing people in the river, he's also just like talking mad smack about King Herod.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he hates him because he's a hypocrite, and that was something that John the Baptist from the very get-go couldn't stand was a hypocrite.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we were saying he he was so strict with himself.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because in his eyes, what's the quote that Herod, his right hand didn't see what his left hand was doing.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's saying one thing and he's doing another.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's saying, be a good, you know, Jewish, yeah, be a good Jewish person and follow all the rules, follow all the laws, and be devout and do everything that you're supposed to do, but also I'm gonna marry, I'm gonna get divorced and marry my half-brother's divorced wife, who's also my niece.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you know, and he was a hypocrite.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so John was angry about that.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: He was very very, very vocal about it.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: The whole, all of Galilee heard about it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about the gossip of town.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, this gets back to King Herod.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he already kind of knows who John the Baptist is.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's learning about all these people who were following him, and how much kind of again, we don't want to say power, but how much influence that he's starting to have over people.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so as soon as King Herod hears that he's also criticizing him and speaking ill of him, he's like, Alright, enough.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this guy's going to jail.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he throws uh John the Baptist into a jail, and I don't know how long he's there.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you read how long he was in the jail.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how long he was there.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: He looked really dirty in the Martin Scorsese show, so take that for what it is.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: I also don't think other than the river, he bathed that much.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the water a lot.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess you don't have to do the extra.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: I guess there wasn't soap though.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just fish, honey, locusts.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um anyway, so so Herod decides that he's gonna throw himself a birthday party.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: So King Herod's like, hey everybody, come to King Herod's birthday party, it's gonna be a blast.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Herod's gonna be there, Herod the Second will be there, Herod the Great will be there, and Herodias will be there, all the Herods.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so while they're like hosting this big party, this big elaborate event, there's like a lot of um generals there, like high-ranking officials from Galilee.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's this whole banquet.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so Herodias's daughter, who's not his like biological daughter, it's her daughter from Herod II.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: But they would still be related then.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been his half-brother, that would have been his niece.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who knows?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: They were all related.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: They were all, yeah, we don't know.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron, Mary, everyone's related.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um anyway, so so that at this party, um, her name, the the wife's daughter, is Salome.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: So Salome is the entertainment of the evening.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: She's dancing for everyone.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, she's a younger girl, she's probably beautiful.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're just gonna make that up because we can't.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: She's a woman and she's because she's young and she's a woman, so I guess you could just say belly dancing, and she's got all her um little clicky things, a little tricky in her jingle-jingles.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, her little veil, and she's very seductive.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: There might be snakes, like maybe she's like Britney style with some snakes.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, she's very seductive looking.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yes, we fact.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Facts.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely fact.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so she's dancing, and she was praised for her dancing.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: She did such an amazing job dancing and delighting the whole um, you know, guest party, all yeah, all the guest crew.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that at the end of her dance, like King Herod calls her over and he says, like, amazing, you can have anything that your heart desires.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, except like it's like short of half my kingdom.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Essentially, ha ha ha.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't ask for my full kingdom, but anything else you can have.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: So apparently what is happening is that, and this is this is according to Matthew 14, 8 in the Bible, says, So she, referencing Salome, so she, having been prompted by her mother, said, Give me John the Baptist's head here on a platter.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what where did that come from, Salome?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, also, we called her Shalom all evening until we heard of what her name actually was.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: From Scorsese.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, that's that's savage.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I like does she say that actually thinking it'll happen?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if she says it as a joke.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if she says it because her mother was the one that was so upset about like, you know, she had like slander against her, yeah, from John.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe if she's like, hey, at any opportunity, we're gonna make sure this guy is killed.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: John called her a concubine, like every bad name in the book, because you know, he's he did have a little some areas that he could have worked on, maybe about talking bad about others.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they weren't going to tolerate it.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: And King Herod.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was reluctant.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: It does say he was reluctant.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would you even entertain that?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, so this is what I thought was interesting.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: King Herod believed in John the Baptist, right?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: He actually I don't know if supported him as like the right word to use.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he went that far as to support him, but he did recognize him as.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: A holy man.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: He did believe that he was onto something.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like he actually was a prophet and he was leading people to find the Messiah.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: So John the Baptist was not arrested because of his beliefs.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not because like King Herod thought that he was some loony tune going around saying crazy things and needed to be locked up and he didn't believe.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like very opposite to what happened to Jesus, right?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus was arrested because they didn't believe that he was telling the truth.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't the case with John the Baptist.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just because he was talking smack on the king.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe John could have dialed that part back a little bit.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: In hindsight.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: In hindsight, you know, was it worth it?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um so though Herod was reluctant and kind of looks at Salome like, really?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Savage girl.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: He did oblige her.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: He said, okay.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he sent a guard to the cell, like that very moment during the party.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right then and there.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Not like, okay, we'll plan for something in a week.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, let's arrange a trial.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: No trial.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: No trial.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: No re They they didn't need a reason other than he wanted to, and he could.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's so sad.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he's already a prisoner, so he's right there, you know.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, lo and behold, a guard goes to the cell, and he beheads John right there in the prison, in the cell.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, this it this actually reminds me a lot of the black dinner that we just that we just did last week.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: At least they tried to have a mock trial.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they actually brought them to a scaffold site.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Not that any of this is better.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: None of this is good.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let me preface with that.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: But they just put a block right there in his little tiny cell and just did the deed.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Did the deed.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um terrible.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: So so the guard comes back to the party where everyone's still hanging out and having a great time.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he brings the head on a platter, gives it to Salome.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Salome carries it to her mother, and John's disciples then come.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: They they learn pretty quickly about like what went down.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: What a betrayal, right?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they come, they collect his body, and they either bury him.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if it's in a ground or bury him in a tomb.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they, you know, do what they can with his body.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure whatever became of his head.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's actually an article on the History Channel website.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was a whole thing about what happened to the head because it would be like considered a relic.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um But we don't know.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know what happened.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Descendants of Salome come forth.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Dude.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what's wild to me is all the paintings and the Renaissance artwork that came out of this one scene.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: When I was just in Paris this last time and we went to the Louvre, because I knew we were gonna do this episode coming up this season, I noticed I noticed a ton of John the Baptist paintings, like pretty graphic with like decapitated heads.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously for me, I talk about this stuff all the time with Megan.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm taking pictures and my mom's like, Why are you why are you taking photos of all of those a very sick people?
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, well, this is for the show.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just fascinating to me.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: You'll have to post some of those pictures because when I was looking through the paintings too, it really I think it's intentionally grotesque, obviously, because it was such a heinous thing that happened that you have to be that extreme to literally paint a picture of to show what happened.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just so vile that it's sitting on a platter and people are partying and and I I don't know why.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know why I didn't really I like I knew in general about John the Baptist, I knew that he baptized Jesus, and I knew like in general his story.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I did know he was beheaded.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that part actually happened that they served his head on the silver platter.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was I don't even I don't even know I thought it was like an artistic representation.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought it was some symbolic measure that people took.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that they were actually depicting what happened, a historical scene and his like it actually happened.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's disturbing.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why this one gives me the E VGBs, like it's just it's sad.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: It is sad, you know, and obviously similar to Jesus, you know, John had a very short life.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but he is known as a prophet and he is known now as the forerunner to to Jesus.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one who paved the way and was kind of uh, you know, like giving him, I guess, the the welcome that he needed, the the following that he needed before he was even there.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was like mentally prepping people of be ready.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: Repent now, wipe away your sins now, because I promise you, he's coming.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: He is down the street, like he is making his way into Galilee.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Dragons are coming.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is coming.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: So Jesus is coming.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I kind of like to picture Jesus and John as buddies.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like I wonder, I always thought they had more time spent together.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: I thought they did too.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that they were more friends, but I guess it really just I mean, who knows?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: There could have been a I I can't believe that Jesus just like got dunked and walked away.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure they like broke bread together and had a little meal of locusts and I'd like to think so.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: I hope they spent some time with him.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like meeting the man, and then you're like, okay, bye, I gotta go.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think hopefully they spend a little bit of time together.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and to this day, uh John the Baptist is also known as the patron saint of baptism, obviously.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, makes sense.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um of prisoners.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was a prisoner.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and of a lot of other things, like hermits is a big one.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Hermits.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's weird.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's because in his early education, when he was so devout in his like scripture learning and everything, the way that a lot of the like strict um, I guess, Jewish priests raised their kids were putting them one-on-one with literally like people that were Jewish hermits.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't know, something about how I I think they might have made a better connection with the youth or something, and like it was it wasn't in a classroom style, you weren't with peers.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like, all right, here's an old wise man who's gonna give you knowledge now.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's why he's the patron state of hermits as well.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I thought that was interesting.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: That is interesting.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: I learned things from this that I felt like it was a new angle to read through more of like a historical perspective.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not so much through a biblical sense, but And it is fun when you want to just learn the stories as an adult because obviously both you and I, I think in our childhood, like Oh yeah, I went to C C D.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like went to Catechism, you know what I mean?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like had the Sunday school, or uh mine was on Wednesdays.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why we always class.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: Mine was I very specifically remember Wednesday nights.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like oh yeah, it was always like dark and it was like late at night.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like it was probably like 6 p.m.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like stressing about doing my homework.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, now let's talk about Joshua.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I gotta get home and write an essay.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot to learn.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it's nice as an adult to revisit it.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: And again, you like remember a bit of what you learn, but also learn learn it from a different angle of like, oh yeah, like a historical context, what else is going on, yeah, you know, and how did this impact things going forward?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I really like this episode.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we were like a little bit hesitant to do this episode.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: We actually were going to do it earlier, like earlier in the season, and it just felt like the wrong time.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, yeah.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's take it for what it is.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: But then it felt like Christmas, if we're going to do a biblical story, Christmas time seems appropriate.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, after all, that's what Christmas is based on.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: So get ready for Easter 2025.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: We got the big one coming.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: No Easter 2025.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: One of these years I'm gonna convince Elizabeth that we're ready for it.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: I keep telling Megan no, we've talked about it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Easter?
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, we are not doing that ever.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: We will get it wrong.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: We will get it wrong.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: We will get so canceled.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: We might get canceled off.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: This might cancel us.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: But um it's with good intentions, though.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Good intentions with a light heart coming at you from a history perspective.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: We don't try to shove any political or religious stuff at you.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is all all of us who just enjoy the macabre and enjoy history.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Heads on a plate.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'll post pics.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get taken down Instagram again.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that might happen too.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: I've learned hashtag beheaded doesn't always work out for someone.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you have to do podcast with it.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Elizabeth.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Any final words?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: I like your jingle.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Merry Christmas, Elizabeth.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: See you guys next year.