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Credlin | 30 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: to night on Credlin Barnaby Joyce facing allegations of bad
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Speaker 2: behavior shouty behavior today devolving a National Party staffer as
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Speaker 2: a living party. Tomorrow gets set to debate NET zero
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Speaker 2: without the presence of the leader. I might add Susan Lee,
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Speaker 2: she won't be there. Years of tireless advocacy from Bruce
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Speaker 2: and Denise Morcombe. Well, that means Queensland is about to
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Speaker 2: announce the start date of the new sex Offenders Register.
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Speaker 2: It'll be December, and it means parents will be able
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Speaker 2: to see any convicted pedophiles living in their local area.
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Speaker 2: Christophiley government says we want to have this national last time.
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Speaker 2: We joined by Professor John Wilson, former President of the
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Speaker 2: Royal Australasian College of Physicians, who says that the emergency
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Speaker 2: department policy based on race at Melbourne's Saint Vincent Hospital
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Speaker 2: goes against all medical ethics and that historic meeting today
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Speaker 2: between Presidents Trump and g will discuss what it means
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Speaker 2: for US, our region and Taiwan, with a China expert
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Speaker 2: coming out. Given our different national conditions, we do not
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Speaker 2: always see eyed eye with each other.
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Speaker 3: President, she is a great leader of a great country,
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Speaker 3: and I think we're going to have a fantastic relationship
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Speaker 3: for a long period of time.
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Speaker 2: A lot of bottom there, not so much substance i'd expect,
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Speaker 2: But let's talk about that in a moment with our
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Speaker 2: China expert. First. If the architect of the Coalition's net
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Speaker 2: thro our policy now thinks it's a dad, what's the
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Speaker 2: earthly reason to keep it? But yet keep it as
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Speaker 2: an aspiration. It's still the advice of Scott Morrison, and
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Speaker 2: that's what he's told his Liberal success as Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: in a post on LinkedIn, the former Prime minister says
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Speaker 2: he has now abandoned formal support for the net zero position,
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Speaker 2: a position that he pushed on the Coalition in the
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Speaker 2: run up to the twenty twenty one U and Climate
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Speaker 2: Conference in Glasgow. Back then, he tells us Morrison thought
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Speaker 2: that Australia faced a quote potential capital strike from overseas
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Speaker 2: investors if we didn't jump on the net zero bandwagon. Now,
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Speaker 2: he says, with US policy very different under Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: who calls climate change a hoax, and who has pulled
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Speaker 2: out of Paris for a second time. Morrison thinks things
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Speaker 2: very different. Net zero at any cost on any rigid
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Speaker 2: timetable is non policy. It's just ideology, says Morrison. Besides,
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Speaker 2: he claims, even back in twenty twenty one when he
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Speaker 2: was PM, net zero was just a practical direction, not
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Speaker 2: a mandate. Well, come on, Schomo, put aside you revisionism,
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Speaker 2: start telling the truth. Let's look at the facts. Once
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Speaker 2: you signed us up to net zero with your mate
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Speaker 2: Boris Johnson in Glasgow, Labour got what had wanted and
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Speaker 2: ordinary Australians were sold down the river as everything just
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Speaker 2: accelerated in terms of our power price increases that are
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Speaker 2: crippling to so many. If zero was only ever an aspiration,
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Speaker 2: even under you in twenty twenty one, as you now say, then,
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Speaker 2: giving that so much has changed and almost no one
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Speaker 2: in the world is on track to meet it, forget
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Speaker 2: the aspiration. Why keep net zero at all? I mean
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Speaker 2: keeping that zero even as an aspiration, while abandoning any
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Speaker 2: hard and fast plan to get there. It's politically untenable.
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Speaker 2: Voters deserve a clear contest on this issue. Because that
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Speaker 2: contest is well overdu They are sick of this line
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Speaker 2: from labor that renewables are the cheapest form of electricity.
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Speaker 2: When their power bills into their own home tell of
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Speaker 2: every different story, and they know as more of our
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels exit the system and more renewables are pushed
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Speaker 2: into the grid, their power supply will become ever more
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Speaker 2: unreliable and those costs will continue to climb. When you
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Speaker 2: haven't got much to spare, you watch your money very closely.
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Speaker 2: It's something that well paid politicians like bow and forget.
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Speaker 2: No amount of spin from government can get around the
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Speaker 2: fact that electricity prices are up twenty four percent in
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Speaker 2: the last year alone. Meaning if you think it's costing
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Speaker 2: you about a quarter more on power this year, when
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Speaker 2: you're right, because it is now sure, some city based
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Speaker 2: liberal will worry that dumping any reference at all, even
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Speaker 2: aspiration's got to be kept. I'll think if that all goes,
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Speaker 2: it'll make them climate deniers. But that's where they're both
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Speaker 2: wrong and weak. Rejecting that zero is not rejecting care
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Speaker 2: for the environment. In fact, the environmental degradation of our
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Speaker 2: national parks and coastline because of renewables is devast rejecting
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Speaker 2: that zero is about protecting our natural beauty, protecting it,
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Speaker 2: not sacrificing it in a global futile green gesture. It's
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Speaker 2: about rejecting economic destruction and the loss of our sovereign manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: And if liberal politicians either don't know that or can't
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Speaker 2: argue about the difference, then seriously they don't deserve to
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Speaker 2: be in the Parliament. We're no less than Tony Blair
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Speaker 2: and Bill Gates. Admit that the jigs up on that zero,
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Speaker 2: that climate catastrophism is wrong, and that there are far
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Speaker 2: more important issues to worry about. What's high time in
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Speaker 2: the liberals end. Stop pandering from an anxiety dump net zero.
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Speaker 2: No if snow butt snow babies, give Australia an energy
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Speaker 2: policy that doesn't just export coal and gas. Uses it here,
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Speaker 2: to give the cheaper, more reliable electricity that other countries
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Speaker 2: rightly enjoy from our resources. To protect jobs here, livelihoods here,
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Speaker 2: our manufacturing capability, but most of all, protect a national security.
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Speaker 2: More today too, on that medical appartheid I brought too
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Speaker 2: early in the week courtesy of the Socialist Republic of Victoria,
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Speaker 2: where Indigenous patients presenting to st Vincent's emergency department would
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Speaker 2: be automatically assigned as urgent patients a head of semi
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Speaker 2: urgent or non urgent, regardless of the medical need. Professor
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Speaker 2: John Wilson, a former president of the Royal Australasian College
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Speaker 2: of Physicians, has said that favoring patients on the basis
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Speaker 2: of race is a major breach of medical ethics, including
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Speaker 2: the Medical Board of Australia's Code of Conduct, which prohibits
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Speaker 2: discrimination against patients on grounds such as race, religion or sex.
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Speaker 2: Professor Wilson describes Vincent's prioritization of Indigenous patients as an
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Speaker 2: I quote, a sad situation that should not have occurred.
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Speaker 2: He went on. Ethically, he says, there is no question
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Speaker 2: that every single person treated by any doctor in the
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Speaker 2: country must be treated equally and fairly. I don't believe
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Speaker 2: any code of conduct supports discriminating based on race. Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: leader Warren Mundine has said if right that Aboriginal people
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Speaker 2: are ahead of the queue, that's wrong. He said, Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: people are just asking to be treated everyone else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this idea that okay, everyone rinds up and you
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Speaker 1: go along the line and you say okay.
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Speaker 4: You're a visual Are you visual?
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Speaker 5: Are you joined the front of the line. It's not
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Speaker 5: very good for reconciliation because we thought to be treated
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Speaker 5: as equals as.
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Speaker 6: Everyone else does.
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Speaker 5: But if the hospital system isn't working, then that's a
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Speaker 5: problem for the health ministers.
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Speaker 6: Are fixed.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the hapless Victorian labor government keeps insisting that all
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Speaker 2: of this it's okay because it's about correcting They say,
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Speaker 2: a history of past discrimination.
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Speaker 7: There have certainly been instances where First Nations people have
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Speaker 7: experienced discrimination and racism in our.
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Speaker 6: Health care system.
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Speaker 2: This is a fact, so I.
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Speaker 7: Support initiatives that seek to stamp out racism in our
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Speaker 7: health service system.
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Speaker 2: Well, hang on, how can past discrimination it's over, that's gone,
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Speaker 2: justify present discrimination. I mean, this is just another sign
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Speaker 2: of what's coming. If Laboring Victoria gets its way on
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Speaker 2: its treaty, the legislation of course right now before the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: it'll be a state with two classes of citizen in it,
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Speaker 2: where one group gets better treatment, better access, two bytes
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Speaker 2: of the cherry in terms of their vote, double say,
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Speaker 2: based on their race. But there's another issue here too
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Speaker 2: is Vincent's Hospital in Melbourne is a Catholic hospital. Now
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Speaker 2: it was Saint Paul and these letters to the Galatians.
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Speaker 2: He said, and I quote, there is neither June nor
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Speaker 2: a gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male
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Speaker 2: and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Speaker 2: What the hex Saint Vincent's Hospital doing operating on the
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Speaker 2: basis of identity politics rather than the New Testament and
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Speaker 2: Catholic teaching. For three days almost there's barely been a
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Speaker 2: whimper from Catholic bishops or the broader human rights industry,
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Speaker 2: who would be straight out of the blocks if it
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Speaker 2: was white people being bumped up the queue on their race.
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Speaker 2: For a very very long time, access to emergency services
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Speaker 2: has always been based on need, with the worst hurdle
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Speaker 2: or the most urgent prioritized before anybody else. To distort
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Speaker 2: this based now on race is wrong in every respect.
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Speaker 2: If it's happening in Victoria, it's headed to a state
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Speaker 2: near you, and every Australian should be concerned that we
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Speaker 2: are now crossing a very dangerous medical rubicon and more
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Speaker 2: fool us. All right, it's the end of a sitting week.
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Speaker 2: The big showdown tomorrow at the OK Corral with the
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Speaker 2: Little Party in the Party room on a net zero
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Speaker 2: but joining me now for an update and how the
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Speaker 2: week's political editor Cam Reddin, Cam you broke or Sky News,
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Speaker 2: but I think it was you broke the story that
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce is facing a parliamentary standards investigation allegedly shouting
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Speaker 2: at a staffer he was seeking a pair I understand
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Speaker 2: in relation to a funeral he wanted to attend, so
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Speaker 2: he was in the office of the Party Whittenshell laundry.
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Speaker 8: What can you tell us, Yeah, Essentially, what's happened here, Peter,
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Speaker 8: is that Barnaby Joyce is now facing a to what's
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Speaker 8: known as the Parliamentary Workplace Support Service, and the allegation
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Speaker 8: is that he has while in the office of Michelle Landry,
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Speaker 8: who's the National Party Chief Whip, the person that an
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Speaker 8: MP would go and tell if they want leave and
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Speaker 8: they'd submit an application for that. The allegation is that
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Speaker 8: he's launched into a verbal tirade against a female National
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Speaker 8: staff member inside that office before leaving Parliament early yesterday.
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Speaker 8: That matter has since been raised with Parliamentary Services and
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Speaker 8: there is now an investigation into that. A procedure is
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Speaker 8: underway as a part of that now Barnaby. Joyce was
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Speaker 8: not in Parliament today, so he did attend that funeral,
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Speaker 8: and he has denied the allegations around the conduct that's
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Speaker 8: alleged in that meeting, where it's alleged he raised his
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Speaker 8: voice on multiple occasions.
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Speaker 2: It's been alleged that.
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Speaker 8: He came within that female member of staff's personal space
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Speaker 8: within a foot or two before leaving after a roughly
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Speaker 8: five minute interaction. So Peter he has denied those allegations,
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Speaker 8: but says he respects that the PWSs process is now underway.
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Speaker 8: Depending on whether or not there is any finding, that
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Speaker 8: might take some time, but the National Party not commenting
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Speaker 8: further beyond saying that that process is now underway.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I know there's a process. I would have
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Speaker 2: thought it was for the most serious and egregious complaints
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Speaker 2: and allegations. These are the sort of things I would
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Speaker 2: hope could be sorted out within the office. It's supposed
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Speaker 2: to be the National Party family here. Michelle Landry is
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Speaker 2: a National Party and p Barnaby is, of course, and
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Speaker 2: so is this staffer clearly a National Party staffer anyway.
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Speaker 2: I just think this signals to me that the bad
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Speaker 2: blood inside the National Party in relation to Joyce pretty fierce.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens here. Cam Environment Minister Murray White
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Speaker 2: fronted up to the National Press Club today. Of course
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Speaker 2: he wants those laws passed by the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: There've been a big focus of parliament. The Greens are
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Speaker 2: n't happy, the Libs aren't happy. He's somewhere in the middle.
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Speaker 2: What's the up.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, no one seems to be happy with it, Peter.
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Speaker 8: He still believes Murray what he can get this done
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Speaker 8: by the end of the year. So where we're at
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Speaker 8: at the moment. The bill has been introduced to the
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Speaker 8: House today. There was some expectation that maybe they'd vote
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Speaker 8: on it today.
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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.
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Speaker 8: So the MPs from the Coalition, the Greens and even
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Speaker 8: the cross Bench, they're going to have the weekend to
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Speaker 8: read roughly fifteen hundred pages of this legislation. We don't
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Speaker 8: have enough time to take you through every potential hang up,
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Speaker 8: but the Coalition, to my understanding, Peter remains the most
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Speaker 8: likely avenue by which Murray Watt can get a deal
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Speaker 8: this year. The Greens are fairly distant.
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Speaker 2: Second.
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Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say there are roughly five
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Speaker 8: areas of this very dense legislation where the Coalition is
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Speaker 8: talking with Murray Watt and his team about potential changes
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Speaker 8: that could see them support it by the end of
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Speaker 8: the year. They're not there yet and at the moment
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Speaker 8: there is a Senate inquiry that's going to be stood
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Speaker 8: up to examine this, So if they get their peter,
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Speaker 8: it will be in the dying days of the Parliament
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Speaker 8: of this year.
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Speaker 2: In that a week at the end of the month.
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Speaker 2: My read on it is that Murray what is willing.
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Speaker 8: To move on some of those areas the Coalition is
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Speaker 8: put forward, but they don't have a deal yet, so
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Speaker 8: this will be thrashed out over the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Right, Thank you Earliver with there, Thanks Cam All right,
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Speaker 2: other stories around, Let's go to them now with my
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Speaker 2: panel journalist at the Daily Telegraph, James Willis, the Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributed Carroll Kats and Barnas Caly. We'll start with
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Speaker 2: the fallout from yesterday's inflation data three point two percent.
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Speaker 2: It was a hike. It was obviously higher than expected
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Speaker 2: by the so called experts, but I have to say,
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Speaker 2: come Melbourne Cup Day on Tuesday, it looks like the
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Speaker 2: RBA will have no opportunity to do anything other than
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Speaker 2: keep rates on hold. Interestingly, of course, one of the
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Speaker 2: big drivers here was energy prices.
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Speaker 9: Look it was and Peter, you know the inflation figures.
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Speaker 9: They've gone from the two point one percent to three
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Speaker 9: point two percent. And all this proves is that Australia
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Speaker 9: is at losing its competitive advantage. It means electricity and
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Speaker 9: gas prices are increasing, Businesses are leaving Australia, There'll be
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Speaker 9: less jobs for Australians. All the while Anthony Albanezi, Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 9: Chris Bown keep going on this folly traveling the world
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Speaker 9: instead of actually focusing on what is good for the nation,
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Speaker 9: and that would be scrapping net zero. The RBA, Michelle Bullock,
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Speaker 9: the Governor, cannot have been any more explicit in recent
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Speaker 9: times and said that they need to stop this crazy
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Speaker 9: government spending all right, that is the lever that needs
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Speaker 9: to be pulled. They need to stop this because it
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Speaker 9: is driving Australia into the ground. And very unfortunately Australians
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Speaker 9: often have the habit that I use the analogy you
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Speaker 9: often have to put your fingers in the fire to
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Speaker 9: know that they're going to get burned well, as you've
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Speaker 9: outlined the whole week on the show.
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Speaker 2: And as always with all.
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Speaker 9: These jobs and businesses packing up and leaving Australia, will
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Speaker 9: it be the fact that everyone will turn around and go, oh,
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Speaker 9: what's happened? We've got no industry. It has to stop
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Speaker 9: now and they need to scrap net zero and focus
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Speaker 9: on what is important for Australia.
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Speaker 2: James good on Scott Morrison in a sense coming out
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Speaker 2: and saying, look, we've got to move away from net
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Speaker 2: zero a fair amount of historic revisionism. No one what
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Speaker 2: he said at the time and why he forced it
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Speaker 2: down the throats of everyone in the coalition. I mean
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Speaker 2: he really pushed hard with the Nationals. They weren't happy
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Speaker 2: about net zero, but he does say it should remain
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Speaker 2: as an aspiration. I mean I think if it ends
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Speaker 2: up in aspiration, these guys will be on the Barbeie offence.
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Speaker 2: And you know what happens when you're sitting on a
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Speaker 2: barbe offence. Politically, you cannot be half pregnant on that
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Speaker 2: Net zero. You're either in or you're out. And I
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Speaker 2: really hope tomorrow there's a come to Jesus moment with
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Speaker 2: the coalition that they understand they have to make this
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Speaker 2: issue a contest. People care about the environment absolutely, but
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Speaker 2: the rubber hitting the road on the ground in terms
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Speaker 2: of the rollout of these renewables, and it's not the
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Speaker 2: looking after the environment, as you and I well know.
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Speaker 2: And I think Australians now really understand the price and
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Speaker 2: they're not willing to pay it.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's right. And Peter, are you asking any minister,
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Speaker 10: any government department when we're going to see power prices
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Speaker 10: come down? And no one can tell us. There's some
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Speaker 10: estimates it could be ten years, But I think that's
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Speaker 10: pie and the sky stuff. I mean, I've got a
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Speaker 10: sort of different view. I can understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 10: I also think, though, that net zero by twenty fifty
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Speaker 10: is twenty five years away from now, and I think
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Speaker 10: you can it's almost the sort of thing you can say, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 10: we support it. The rest of the world does, of course,
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Speaker 10: But I think that the main reason we're in such
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Speaker 10: a mess is because of the short term targets which
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Speaker 10: are far too aggressive and have come up far too quickly,
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Speaker 10: and with every quarter that goes on, Chris Bowen gets
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Speaker 10: a report the Department gives him a report and says, hey,
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Speaker 10: we're not getting there. We're not going to be able
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Speaker 10: to reach these emissions reductions and the renewable energy target
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Speaker 10: of eighty two percent by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: You're going to have to do more.
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Speaker 10: They pour more money in, They turbo charge these projects,
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Speaker 10: and they try and do everything possible to also demonize
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Speaker 10: coal and get coal out of the system as quickly
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Speaker 10: as possible. We've seen this week, you know, Tommago and
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Speaker 10: another major company, a huge user of electricity, all of
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Speaker 10: a sudden on life support. These things will keep happening.
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Speaker 10: Big industry needs base load power. The only way you
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Speaker 10: can get there is with coal. The middle ground shore
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Speaker 10: is to say we need more gas. And I think
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Speaker 10: we need more gas anyway, because we export a whole
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Speaker 10: lot more gas than we use here. There's no gas shortage,
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Speaker 10: and gas needs to be cheap so that businesses and
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Speaker 10: industries can be using it as well. But I'm really
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Speaker 10: of the view that everyone talks about net zero and
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Speaker 10: scrapping net zero. I agree we need a point of difference,
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Speaker 10: But the biggest issue and the thing that is hurting
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Speaker 10: the economy the most is the twenty thirty target. Set
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Speaker 10: by Chris Bowen, and that is what the Coalition should
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Speaker 10: be immediately addressing to say this is too much. It's
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Speaker 10: killing jobs. Power prices are going through the roof. We've
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Speaker 10: got to do every anything possible to scale back on that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Coalition has said that everybody knows. Even
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Speaker 2: the government's put out figures to say they're not going
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Speaker 2: to get the twenty thirty targets. Coalition has said we
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Speaker 2: won't support twenty thirty five because that's going to require
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Speaker 2: a significant ramp up. You can't have net zero, mate,
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Speaker 2: you can't be half pregnant on this. And most of
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Speaker 2: the biggermitters, sixty percent of the world's largest emitters, they
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Speaker 2: are not in net zero. And I would be saying,
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Speaker 2: if I was running the party when the world is
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Speaker 2: at a critical mass, when they have done net zero,
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Speaker 2: rather than squawk about it at the UN when it
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Speaker 2: is done, come back and talk to us. We're one
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Speaker 2: percent of the problem. We do not have to be
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Speaker 2: the first movers in this. What we are doing is
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Speaker 2: we are selling ourselves down the river. Economically, we are
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Speaker 2: a very small player. Internationally, we are a resource economy.
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Speaker 2: If we were really fair income about this, net zero Kumbaya.
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Speaker 2: We wouldn't sell gas overseas, we wouldn't sell all overseas.
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Speaker 2: We'd basically turn off the lights and lower our emissions.
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Speaker 2: But we do so Australians. They can't fathom the hypocrisy.
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Speaker 2: I'm not allowing us to use it here for cheap power,
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Speaker 2: but sending it everywhere else overseas for them to have
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Speaker 2: cheap power. I think now that people understand what a
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Speaker 2: wind farm looks like out the front of their farm,
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Speaker 2: or what the solar panel looks like driving into their
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Speaker 2: beautiful country town, they're saying, no, this is a crop,
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Speaker 2: we don't want it. And I think that's where the politicians,
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Speaker 2: particularly on the right, need to stand up and be
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Speaker 2: counted and have a fight. And I tell you what
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Speaker 2: they might actually win it. Let's go to Queensland. There
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Speaker 2: therein is my sermon for tonight. Let's go to Queensland.
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Speaker 2: That pedophile register, which has its origins carely in a
20:47
Speaker 2: really horrific abduction and murder, as we well know, it
20:54
Speaker 2: will now begin on December. That is the big announcement.
20:57
Speaker 2: And if you're a mum and dad and you're in Queensland,
20:59
Speaker 2: you can look on this register from December and you
21:03
Speaker 2: will know whether or not you've got convicted pedophiles living
21:07
Speaker 2: in your local community. As I said, it comes obviously
21:11
Speaker 2: from the murder of Daniel Morecambe. This is what the
21:14
Speaker 2: magnificent Bruce Morecambe today had to say.
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Speaker 11: We want a couple of the quieter states to fall
21:22
Speaker 11: into line. Maybe it's time for those states that have
21:24
Speaker 11: been sitting on their hands to actually do something and
21:28
Speaker 11: this becomes national.
21:31
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more carely. It's got to go national.
21:36
Speaker 9: And one of those quiet states is the state of Victoria.
21:38
Speaker 9: Take no premier justin to Allan. I just think it
21:41
Speaker 9: is such a shame that Morecamb's are absolutely incredible. People
21:44
Speaker 9: have interviewed them before, but it's taken twenty two years.
21:48
Speaker 9: Twenty two years. I can't I'm trying to think of
21:52
Speaker 9: the analogy that I want to say. We know that
21:54
Speaker 9: when there were national gun laws, John Howard was able
21:57
Speaker 9: to do it within six weeks.
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Speaker 6: Twenty two years.
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Speaker 9: I mean, Darren Hinch went into Parliament calling for a
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Speaker 9: national sex offenders register. I just can't believe that, you know,
22:09
Speaker 9: one of the quiet states, or perhaps I can believe
22:11
Speaker 9: given what goes on in Victoria every single day with
22:13
Speaker 9: crime and things that they have sat on.
22:16
Speaker 6: Their hands and not done this.
22:18
Speaker 9: There needs to be a national register because it is
22:21
Speaker 9: quite easy. If somebody is going to be released on
22:24
Speaker 9: parole in Queensland, they can quite easily tootle off to
22:29
Speaker 9: Western Australia and tootle down to Victoria, to South Australia,
22:34
Speaker 9: to Tasmania. And we know that the wheels of justice and.
22:37
Speaker 6: The law moves very very slowly.
22:39
Speaker 9: We live an incredibly different times. There were four thousand
22:42
Speaker 9: Queensland sex offenders last year.
22:46
Speaker 6: It's a step.
22:47
Speaker 9: I don't want to be a negative Nelly, but twenty
22:50
Speaker 9: two years for this, I really think we need to
22:53
Speaker 9: just push for a national sex offenders register and Victoria
22:57
Speaker 9: wake up just into Allen.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it was a platform of the Coalition at
23:03
Speaker 2: the last election under Peter Dun't. Let's see if it
23:05
Speaker 2: stays there on that platform. N z YQ. We've talked
23:09
Speaker 2: a lot about this mob James Willis and there is
23:12
Speaker 2: a deal obviously that has been struck to send some
23:15
Speaker 2: of them. We don't know exactly how many. We have
23:17
Speaker 2: a ballpark in terms of the overall cost, somewhere around
23:21
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars to send these criminals to Naharu,
23:27
Speaker 2: not that the government's telling us much. Have a listen
23:29
Speaker 2: to these comments.
23:31
Speaker 5: The President of Naru was able to tell his parliament
23:34
Speaker 5: on the day the first member of the cohort landed,
23:37
Speaker 5: we found out via a journalist asking Tony Burke at
23:39
Speaker 5: a press conference about something that was said in a
23:41
Speaker 5: public domain. Why aren't we given that information?
23:47
Speaker 2: So there you go. Apparently one person has arrived in
23:50
Speaker 2: Naru and it was announced to the Nuru in parliament
23:53
Speaker 2: by the president on the day they landed. And we're
23:56
Speaker 2: being treated like mushrooms.
23:58
Speaker 10: Yeah, Peter, and we don't know the bust and when
24:00
Speaker 10: that money will be paid. And I think it's appalling
24:02
Speaker 10: that you know that Aru parliament found out about it
24:05
Speaker 10: straight away and we had to be asked, we had
24:07
Speaker 10: to be asking questions to Tony Burke. And let's face it, Peter,
24:11
Speaker 10: only a couple of weeks ago, Tony Burke was not
24:14
Speaker 10: telling the full truth in regards to the movements of
24:17
Speaker 10: ISIS brides that have been on the other side of
24:20
Speaker 10: the world and would be relocating back to Australia and
24:24
Speaker 10: told all sorts of FIBs to try and get around
24:26
Speaker 10: that story. But the reality is that you know, he
24:30
Speaker 10: clearly or his department clearly had some evidence of this occurring.
24:33
Speaker 10: But I think there's a wider theme here and interesting
24:35
Speaker 10: to note, Peter that in the last hour or so,
24:39
Speaker 10: the nine newspapers have put up an editorial that is
24:42
Speaker 10: scathing and they're probably, you know, the biggest supporters of
24:45
Speaker 10: the Albanezy government, but is scathing of their transparency and
24:49
Speaker 10: lack of accountability. And there's all sorts of recent examples,
24:53
Speaker 10: including these jobs for the Boys or Girls report that
24:57
Speaker 10: apparently was meant to be released but instead has been
25:00
Speaker 10: declared cabinet in confidence. You've got issues with lobbyists, and
25:04
Speaker 10: you've just got overall a government that is sort of
25:06
Speaker 10: trying to duck and weave any sort of accountability as
25:09
Speaker 10: much as possible and put all their messaging through social
25:12
Speaker 10: media or in the Parliament if they have to. But
25:15
Speaker 10: if you are giving them a report card based on
25:18
Speaker 10: what they've done in terms of public information and transparency
25:21
Speaker 10: and accountability, it would be an f And I guess
25:24
Speaker 10: it's the critical point as to why we need a
25:26
Speaker 10: strong opposition because just like in Victoria, just like in
25:30
Speaker 10: other parts of the country. There is plenty of ammunition there.
25:33
Speaker 6: We just need the.
25:34
Speaker 10: Other side to prosecute it. But yes, certainly, I think
25:37
Speaker 10: this kind of duck and weave campaign from Albow and
25:40
Speaker 10: others is not going to last forever. And if they
25:43
Speaker 10: keep doing that, people will wake up to the fact
25:45
Speaker 10: they're not relaying to the public what they should be.
25:50
Speaker 2: With your tenacious I know, I'll tell you you've broken
25:52
Speaker 2: a lot of these stories. Please keep it up. Thank
25:54
Speaker 2: you to you both James and Carol Katsavana, Sir who
25:56
Speaker 2: join me on a Thursday. Let's go to the UK now,
26:00
Speaker 2: Labors plunged to a record low in the polls. Voters
26:04
Speaker 2: are jumping ship to the left and also to the
26:07
Speaker 2: right during a reform UK and they are screaming ahead
26:11
Speaker 2: and it's left the Prime Minister Kirs Starmer struggling to
26:14
Speaker 2: hold his fractured coalition together. Let's talk to our news
26:19
Speaker 2: Core European correspondent Sophie Elsworth on this and more shocking poles.
26:25
Speaker 2: I think it's trying to be all things to all people.
26:27
Speaker 2: And I made the point before in relation to that
26:29
Speaker 2: zero you sit on a barb wire fence and you
26:31
Speaker 2: know what happens. I think Kirs starmers in the same predicament, So.
26:36
Speaker 6: Y're great to be with you, Peter.
26:38
Speaker 12: Look, these poles are getting worse and worse for the
26:40
Speaker 12: Prime minister, and the biggest thorn in his side is Farrage,
26:46
Speaker 12: Nigel frag the Reform UK leader. There was a poll
26:49
Speaker 12: out this week showing that Farrage is the preferred prime
26:52
Speaker 12: minister at thirty three percent, ahead of Sakia at thirty percent,
26:57
Speaker 12: the first time that he's overtaken him in this type
27:00
Speaker 12: of poll. But the news for the Labor government just
27:04
Speaker 12: keeps getting worse, with their own voters continuing to desert them,
27:08
Speaker 12: and many people here in the UK also feeling like
27:11
Speaker 12: they're politically homeless, Peter, and they're looking for alternatives, and
27:15
Speaker 12: many people are thinking Reform UK may be the alternative
27:19
Speaker 12: because they're also turning away from the Conservative Party.
27:25
Speaker 2: What about the headlines that went around the world in
27:28
Speaker 2: relation to this convicted sex offender, the asylum seeker who
27:33
Speaker 2: was meant to be changed out of the prison into
27:36
Speaker 2: a van on his way to be deported, but in
27:38
Speaker 2: fact was set free.
27:40
Speaker 6: It gets worse, It does get worse, Peter.
27:45
Speaker 12: This Ethiopian asylum seeker that came here was convicted of
27:50
Speaker 12: sex offenses. He was jailed, but he was mistakenly released
27:55
Speaker 12: from jail on the weekend and sent on his merry way.
27:59
Speaker 12: He ended up in London. He changed out of his
28:02
Speaker 12: prison attire. He was given money and sent off and
28:06
Speaker 12: released into the public.
28:07
Speaker 2: There was a.
28:07
Speaker 12: Massive manhunt for this asylum seeker. He was subsequently arrested
28:13
Speaker 12: in North London in Finsbury Park and he's just been
28:17
Speaker 12: deported to Ethiopia, but given five hundred pounds equivalent of
28:22
Speaker 12: about a thousand Australian dollars to get out of the
28:25
Speaker 12: country because there are reports that he was going to
28:28
Speaker 12: claim asylum here and try and drag his case through
28:32
Speaker 12: the system and also potentially cause problems on the aircraft
28:36
Speaker 12: as he flew out, And so they thought if they
28:39
Speaker 12: give him money, they'll get rid of the problem and
28:41
Speaker 12: get rid of him, and they've done that. But remarkably,
28:44
Speaker 12: he's done an interview with sky News UK and talked
28:47
Speaker 12: about his woes here and said that he tried to
28:49
Speaker 12: get back into the prison. He said that he shouldn't
28:52
Speaker 12: be out, but they said no, no, off you go.
28:54
Speaker 12: So this is incredibly embarrassing for the Labor government. And
28:58
Speaker 12: another issue that can he news to haunt them is
29:02
Speaker 12: the inability to handle the Asylumn secret crisis here in Britain.
29:08
Speaker 2: There's more bad news today for Prince Andrew, of course,
29:12
Speaker 2: and a speculation that Prince William's heavily involved. I'll have
29:17
Speaker 2: to leave that there and we'll come back to that
29:19
Speaker 2: next week. So I do not think that story is
29:21
Speaker 2: going to go away. But apparently William's the one with
29:22
Speaker 2: the whip hand. His dad, Prince Charles or King Charles
29:25
Speaker 2: pretty soft on side Prince William. We'll leave it. They're
29:28
Speaker 2: so for have lovely weekend after the break and historic
29:30
Speaker 2: meeting today. In relation to Presidents Trump and j Now
29:34
Speaker 2: the pictures look good, very buddy buddy on the world stage,
29:37
Speaker 2: but what is there in terms of substantive outcomes. And
29:40
Speaker 2: I'm particularly interested in Taiwan plus a warring development to universities.
29:45
Speaker 2: Australia has just signed a deal that will give them
29:48
Speaker 2: closer collaboration with China on research. Welcome back to till
29:58
Speaker 2: we can still to come up. Joined by a former
30:01
Speaker 2: president of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians who's bravely
30:04
Speaker 2: spoken out about the policies in Vincent's hospital to fast
30:09
Speaker 2: track indigenous patients. But first to that much anticipated meeting
30:13
Speaker 2: today between US President Donald Trump Chinese President Jijiping handshake,
30:19
Speaker 2: their glowing words between the two leaders. It was a
30:22
Speaker 2: short meeting, but both say they're looking for big outcomes.
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Speaker 4: It's a great honor to be with a friend of
30:29
Speaker 4: mine really for a long time now, if you think
30:31
Speaker 4: about it, the very very distinguished and respected President of China.
30:39
Speaker 3: And we will be having some discussions. I think we've
30:43
Speaker 3: already agreed to a lot of things, and we'll agree
30:46
Speaker 3: to Samora right now. But President, she is a great
30:50
Speaker 3: leader of a great country, and I think we're going
30:53
Speaker 3: to have a fantastic relationship for a long period of time.
30:57
Speaker 4: And it's an honor to have you with us.
31:01
Speaker 2: Joining us now to discuss the meeting. Senior fellow at
31:04
Speaker 2: the Hudson Institute, John Lee, John, thank you. I'll make
31:08
Speaker 2: the point they have not met in person for six years,
31:12
Speaker 2: but there appeared to be a lot of mutual good
31:14
Speaker 2: will in the room, a lot of symbolism, of course,
31:17
Speaker 2: but beyond that in terms of substance, what was there
31:21
Speaker 2: that came out of the meeting, or did you at
31:22
Speaker 2: least get a pointer of something significant to come.
31:27
Speaker 13: Well they may well get along as two people, but
31:31
Speaker 13: they both noticed that China is the only country in
31:34
Speaker 13: a world that can challenge and harm in the United States,
31:38
Speaker 13: and the United States are the only country in the
31:40
Speaker 13: world that China fears and respects. So these meetings between
31:44
Speaker 13: Trump and g and whoever else in the future, it's
31:46
Speaker 13: all about one country trying to get something from the
31:49
Speaker 13: other and giving as little in return. From Donald Trump's
31:52
Speaker 13: point of view, he's been worried about the critical minerals
31:57
Speaker 13: and the rare Earth's restrictions that China won imposed in
32:00
Speaker 13: the United States. If remember back in April, when China
32:04
Speaker 13: threatened to do that, a lot of major companies were
32:07
Speaker 13: going to United States and going to the administration saying,
32:10
Speaker 13: we have to close assembly lines in two or three weeks.
32:12
Speaker 13: So Trump really wanted some short term solution about China
32:17
Speaker 13: giving the Americans more critical minerals, solving more soybeans and
32:21
Speaker 13: so on. That's on the side for the Chinese. We
32:23
Speaker 13: all know the economy they overproduce. They need to sell
32:26
Speaker 13: to Americans, and so they need to reduce the terrorists.
32:29
Speaker 13: But make no mistake, this is not really a game
32:33
Speaker 13: change in any way. And when they meet again in April,
32:35
Speaker 13: which is the plan, they'll do the same thing. They'll
32:37
Speaker 13: try to get something off the other and give us
32:39
Speaker 13: a little in return.
32:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll make that point there that Donald Trump announced
32:45
Speaker 2: in the meeting that he would go to China and
32:48
Speaker 2: meet with President g again in April. What sort of
32:52
Speaker 2: relevance do you put into those comments and went out
32:54
Speaker 2: on truth social before the meeting a tweet from the
32:57
Speaker 2: President that says that they would recommence the US recommend
33:00
Speaker 2: the testing of nuclear weapons.
33:04
Speaker 13: Well on its merits, Yes, it is on its merits.
33:07
Speaker 13: It's completely justified because China is not subject to any
33:12
Speaker 13: treaties now are in the past about it's nuclear arsenal
33:15
Speaker 13: that was between the United States and Russia. China is
33:18
Speaker 13: on track to become a peer nuclear power of the
33:22
Speaker 13: United States within five to ten years. So it's clearly
33:25
Speaker 13: doing quite a lot there in the nuclear weapons space
33:28
Speaker 13: now in terms of the tactics, Yes, I mean, why
33:30
Speaker 13: would Donald Trump a tweet that all released that information
33:34
Speaker 13: just prior to the meeting. It's essentially saying to Xijin Ping,
33:41
Speaker 13: I am here to compete, I am here to get
33:47
Speaker 13: something off you. And Donald Trump's style is to escalate
33:50
Speaker 13: before any kind of negotiation with a country like China.
33:58
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. What about Taiwan, I mean, were they
34:01
Speaker 2: likely to have watched what we saw and the bonom
34:03
Speaker 2: me today and felt perhaps more isolated than ever? Or
34:08
Speaker 2: can they rely on the agreements they have with the
34:10
Speaker 2: United States?
34:11
Speaker 13: Do you think the Taiwanese will always be a little
34:14
Speaker 13: bit afraid because they're relying so much in the Americans
34:16
Speaker 13: to protect them. But there's been a lot of I
34:19
Speaker 13: think wrong in alarmist comments about how Donald Trump will
34:22
Speaker 13: trade Taiwan away for deal. I mean, there's no indication
34:27
Speaker 13: of that. In all of my time talking to administration people,
34:30
Speaker 13: that's never ever been an issue. Look, the Taiwanese would
34:34
Speaker 13: look at this, they would understand what's going on. Their
34:37
Speaker 13: main concern is that the Trump administration will still insist
34:41
Speaker 13: that they spend a lot more on defense if they
34:44
Speaker 13: want the Americans to offer them that protection. So that's
34:47
Speaker 13: really what the Chaiwanese would be most worried about.
34:52
Speaker 2: John, Before we go, can I ask you about this
34:53
Speaker 2: University's Australia speculation today that they're about to inca deal
34:58
Speaker 2: with China to boost research collaboration and student exchanges. But
35:02
Speaker 2: this actually also includes a joint research with the Chinese
35:07
Speaker 2: Communist government. Now, it wasn't that long ago there was
35:10
Speaker 2: great concern about, particularly in the security space, shared research projects.
35:18
Speaker 2: Are there any government to guardrails in here? I mean
35:21
Speaker 2: our defense projects off the table for example.
35:25
Speaker 13: Well, look, I'm not sure about particularly agreement, but even
35:27
Speaker 13: if there were, in a way it doesn't matter because
35:31
Speaker 13: so many bits of research now is dual use, is
35:37
Speaker 13: of relevance to the military or relevance to both the
35:40
Speaker 13: civilian and the military world. Look, every university leader would
35:45
Speaker 13: have been briefed on what the Chinese do. They do
35:48
Speaker 13: these collaborations. The academic is well supported. They make life
35:53
Speaker 13: very easy for the academic. But the Chinese retain the
35:56
Speaker 13: research and they use that research in any way they want.
35:59
Speaker 13: That could be to propagate it throughout their own system.
36:03
Speaker 13: If it has military applications, offer the research to the
36:07
Speaker 13: People's Liberation Army. The point I'm making is that you know,
36:11
Speaker 13: no one has a reason to be excused to be
36:14
Speaker 13: naive about this, and it would actually be nice for
36:17
Speaker 13: our government to make a note of this. I don't
36:21
Speaker 13: think the government can sit back when these sorts of
36:23
Speaker 13: agreements are being made. And remember that the Foreign Minister
36:26
Speaker 13: can actually overrule any agreement in the national interests under legislation.
36:32
Speaker 13: They should do that.
36:33
Speaker 2: I disagreement. Okay, So you think that the government should
36:38
Speaker 2: step in, that the federal government should say, well, no,
36:40
Speaker 2: we're not going to have these reasons.
36:41
Speaker 13: I would prefer that the university took the responsibility. But
36:44
Speaker 13: if they're being universally, intentionally blind or willfully blind, then
36:49
Speaker 13: I think it is the duty of the government to
36:51
Speaker 13: stop these collaborations.
36:55
Speaker 2: Well, I'd agree with you on that point, but we'll
36:57
Speaker 2: see what happens. John Lay, thank you, great analysis. Red
37:00
Speaker 2: After the break, Professor Wilson and the Repugnant, I have
37:04
Speaker 2: to say apartheid race policy in relation to health access
37:08
Speaker 2: as the Vincent's Hospital in Melbourne will talk about that
37:11
Speaker 2: and the latest controversy around the New York mayoral candidate
37:15
Speaker 2: Zorn Mendami. Welcome back Simplicom, a former revisors the extraordinary
37:25
Speaker 2: amount he would have won as a bonus if Joe
37:28
Speaker 2: Biden had won the twenty twenty four election. That's fascinating
37:32
Speaker 2: for first and former President of the Royal Australasian College
37:34
Speaker 2: of Physicians has slammed the Saint Vincent's hospital policy, which
37:38
Speaker 2: is fast tracking care for Indigenous patients. Professor John Wilson
37:43
Speaker 2: is also a former member of Alfred Health's Ethics Committee
37:47
Speaker 2: and warns that public but that the policy requiring all
37:51
Speaker 2: Indigenous patients be assigned a minimum category three in triage
37:56
Speaker 2: goes against medical codes of conduct. Here's what the Victory
38:00
Speaker 2: Orrian Health Minister had to say when asked about the
38:02
Speaker 2: professor's concerns.
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Speaker 7: Let's be clear that the sickest patients are always seen first.
38:10
Speaker 7: That is the case across every health service here in Victoria.
38:15
Speaker 7: We also know that a number of people with less
38:18
Speaker 7: urgent care needs present to our emergency departments every day
38:24
Speaker 7: and they will wait.
38:25
Speaker 6: That is certainly not my understanding.
38:27
Speaker 2: As I said, the.
38:30
Speaker 7: Priority to treat the sickest patients first is always a
38:36
Speaker 7: priority for our health services.
38:40
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say. Professor John Wilson joins me. Now,
38:43
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Professor, In what ways do
38:46
Speaker 2: you believe this policy bridge is medical principles which prohibit discrimination.
38:53
Speaker 14: Yes, good evening, Peter, I guess that The fundamental concern
38:57
Speaker 14: here is the concept of racism and discrimination.
39:02
Speaker 2: And we have fought.
39:03
Speaker 14: Long and hard over many years, and lives have been
39:07
Speaker 14: lost to defend the equity of health care across this country.
39:13
Speaker 14: I do not believe for one second that prioritizing one
39:17
Speaker 14: racial group over another is anything but discrimination. I don't
39:22
Speaker 14: think there's a place for that. And in fact, even
39:25
Speaker 14: the Health Department's report released today amongst a myriad of
39:29
Speaker 14: other reports, actually says there is no place for racism
39:33
Speaker 14: or discrimination. So I think we're all one here on
39:38
Speaker 14: the definition. And is it just semantics? Are we trying
39:41
Speaker 14: to sneak in some other kind of policy about a
39:45
Speaker 14: group that we're not describing as being racially different? Well,
39:50
Speaker 14: of course we are. And here is a situation where
39:54
Speaker 14: doctors are being asked to act in a way that
39:58
Speaker 14: is not permitted by the the Medical Board of Australia.
40:04
Speaker 2: So that then puts the doctors and any registered practitioner there,
40:08
Speaker 2: nurses and others in a very difficult position where they
40:12
Speaker 2: could be going against the epics of their licensing body
40:16
Speaker 2: on the say so of Saint Vincent's Hospital. Now, if
40:20
Speaker 2: Saint Vincent's Hospital's out of line surely it is the
40:24
Speaker 2: job of Victorian government and the Health Minister and the
40:26
Speaker 2: Health Department to bring them back into line. But you
40:29
Speaker 2: listen to the Premier, and you listen to the Minister.
40:30
Speaker 2: We just played her comments today, then they seem to
40:34
Speaker 2: be backing in this policy.
40:37
Speaker 14: Well you see, isn't that an interesting point that you make, Peter,
40:40
Speaker 14: that I don't know who it is that made this
40:43
Speaker 14: decision about prioritization of one particular racial group. I don't know.
40:48
Speaker 14: All I've heard is that there is a policy and
40:51
Speaker 14: that staff have been directed to a particular action which
40:55
Speaker 14: I believe is in contravention of the Code of Conduct
40:59
Speaker 14: of Medical Board of Australia. So firstly, who is it
41:01
Speaker 14: that actually made the decision. Secondly, once the decision has
41:05
Speaker 14: been made, has been announced, it's now in the media.
41:08
Speaker 14: I don't see any reason why there needs to be
41:11
Speaker 14: a doubling down on a policy that may be flawed.
41:15
Speaker 14: In your introduction earlier on, you mentioned this is a
41:17
Speaker 14: situation where we may have crossed the rubicon. Well, there's
41:21
Speaker 14: a risk that you might slip and fall in and
41:24
Speaker 14: this is one of those where I believe there has
41:27
Speaker 14: been minimal consultation with appropriate professional groups, because this would
41:33
Speaker 14: need to dovetail nicely with the medical boards, position nicely
41:38
Speaker 14: with the colleges, the College of Emergency Medicine, and indeed
41:43
Speaker 14: very much so with the AMA and practitioners in this country.
41:48
Speaker 14: Otherwise what we'll see is a flow on to other
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Speaker 14: states other decisions that will be racially based, and again
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Speaker 14: in the face of advice and codes of conduct that
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Speaker 14: we all have lived by for decades.
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Speaker 2: I have a sister who's a midwife and she works
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Speaker 2: in an emergency department, and this rationale very early on,
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Speaker 2: was that Indigenous people are waiting longer than others when
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Speaker 2: they present to emergency. But that implies that somehow they're
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Speaker 2: being held back by their race, when in fact, if
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Speaker 2: all the medical professionals there were doing the right thing
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Speaker 2: by triage and only ranking based on urgent health need,
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Speaker 2: the fact that Aboriginal people might be slow to be seen,
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Speaker 2: it would be because not that they're Aboriginal, but their
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Speaker 2: health needs at that time were not as urgent as others.
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Speaker 2: So upending this based on race is sort of implying,
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Speaker 2: isn't it that these medical professionals were not doing their job,
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Speaker 2: or perhaps that they were discriminating against Aboriginal people based
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Speaker 2: on race, hence the need to have this positive discrimination.
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Speaker 14: Yes, Peter, and in fact all of those may be true,
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Speaker 14: but I'd like to see the evidence that identifies which
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Speaker 14: part of that is the one that we can address
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Speaker 14: and how can we do it in a way that
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Speaker 14: is not discriminatory. To start with, this means that almost
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Speaker 14: anybody who comes from a non English speaking background, anyone
43:24
Speaker 14: who's culturally disadvantaged, may need extra assistance. They may there
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Speaker 14: may be need for more cultural training in our healthcare
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Speaker 14: system because of the way in which our population has
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Speaker 14: demographically evolved so rapidly over the last few years. And
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Speaker 14: I believe there is a situation now where the lawmakers
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Speaker 14: have suddenly jumped right over professional consultation and gone to
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Speaker 14: a conclusion that they believe is appropriate, where in fact
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Speaker 14: it may not be in the best interests of our community.
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Speaker 2: So just before we go to do we need, then,
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Speaker 2: I guess the federal government, given they funds so much
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Speaker 2: of the health sector, and you make the point that
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Speaker 2: this could end up in other states and other jurisdictions,
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Speaker 2: do we need the federal government to come out here
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Speaker 2: and have a statement in principle to say no, no,
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Speaker 2: we actually reject what Victoria is doing, and we want
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Speaker 2: all the hospitals to continue ranking people based on urgent
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Speaker 2: medical need as opposed to race.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's very interesting you asked that question, Peter, because
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Speaker 14: the Honorable Mark Butler, our Federal Minister for Health, has
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Speaker 14: forwarded a most wonderful document called the Emergency Triage Education Kit,
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Speaker 14: and that education kit spells out how triage and care
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Speaker 14: should be undertaken. It spells out very clearly that indigenous
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Speaker 14: populations may need special attention at particular times. It does
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Speaker 14: not deviate from the principle that severity is the number one,
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Speaker 14: two and three reason for triaging attention to patients. So
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Speaker 14: there is a document there already, it's already signed off
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Speaker 14: by the federal Health Minister. I don't think we need
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Speaker 14: to go further.
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Speaker 2: Just look at it.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 2: This issue will not go away. Thank you for your
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Speaker 2: very frank and fulsome remarks from the viewpoint of an
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Speaker 2: expert he's dealt with this for many, many years. Thank you,
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Speaker 2: Professor Wilson. Quick break after the break, Zorn Mandami the
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Speaker 2: latest right, Let's bring my international panel scun who is
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Speaker 2: contributed koshergarda former Labor MP. Michael Danby. We were talking
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Speaker 2: in the break. I didn't realize that the voting has
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Speaker 2: actually already started. I thought it was next week was
45:48
Speaker 2: the ballot, But Zori Mandani, I thought i'd read that
45:51
Speaker 2: there were some numbers were coming off in his polling.
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Speaker 2: You're telling me he's still comfortably ahead.
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Speaker 15: It appears to be that way. So the election is
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Speaker 15: under Because New York is one of those steats. It
46:01
Speaker 15: has d's and d's are early voting, which people complain
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Speaker 15: about because even if things like this happen, or as
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Speaker 15: numbers are tanking, it kind of doesn't matter. So many
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Speaker 15: ballots are in the bag. The actual election daires next Tuesday.
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Speaker 15: He was twenty points ahead. Even if he's tanking a
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Speaker 15: little bit, I wouldn't use it her a tanking.
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Speaker 6: He's coming off. He's still ten to twelve points ahead.
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Speaker 6: This is his to win.
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Speaker 15: And get ready because New Yorker's I say, this is
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Speaker 15: a former New Yorker.
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Speaker 6: They did this.
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Speaker 15: This is really their own doing, and it's what they allowed,
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Speaker 15: and they're going to get it good and hard, and
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Speaker 15: we'll see what happens from there.
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Speaker 2: Sadly, now I'm not saying he's a radical Islamist, but
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Speaker 2: I fearly is. I'm not ready to brand him yet,
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Speaker 2: but I'm close to it. Michael.
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Speaker 6: This has long been.
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Speaker 2: The game plan to get these global cities under their
46:44
Speaker 2: belt and to shift them in the way that the
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Speaker 2: hard radical left.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but this is the great Party of Clinton, Kennedy
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Speaker 1: and Roosevelt. I mean, how come they sit back and
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Speaker 1: let this happen? You know, where is Schumer? Where's Pelosi?
46:57
Speaker 1: Where is Gavin Newsom? Unless they revolt again, these people
47:01
Speaker 1: like fetter man has, they'll end up like McGovern did
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Speaker 1: in seventy two and be defeated at the next presidential
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Speaker 1: election because normal America will not elect Mendamis all over
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Speaker 1: the United States.
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Speaker 2: Or they just needed, as I said, a couple of
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Speaker 2: global cities. And you look at the tax profile of
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Speaker 2: New York. I mean, what fIF of New Yorker's now,
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Speaker 2: you'll give me the stat one new Yorkers pay fifty.
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Speaker 6: Even more now if they walk, if they.
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Speaker 2: Walk, because they think the city's gone on? How does
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Speaker 2: New York perce way?
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Speaker 15: It just becomes more of a downward spiral. It's already
47:32
Speaker 15: running huge debts and deface of Portland, Portland on the East.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are ready in Long Island and
47:37
Speaker 1: Westchester County.
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Speaker 6: Correct, they all play those tax gams.
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Speaker 15: It's so easy New York texts to live in another
47:41
Speaker 15: state and helicopter in and all of that. So this
47:43
Speaker 15: is a downward spiral for sure. I will also make
47:45
Speaker 15: one quick point that regardless of what happens, he is
47:47
Speaker 15: going to win. But even if you didn't, we have
47:49
Speaker 15: not seen the last of him. And even if he
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Speaker 15: does win, this is a stepping stone for I.
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Speaker 2: Was gonna say, is he going to be a Clinton
47:54
Speaker 2: and make a run for.
47:54
Speaker 6: This big political ambitions.
47:56
Speaker 1: Well, the AOC and those kinds of people are on
47:59
Speaker 1: the up and there they have the.
48:03
Speaker 2: Space.
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Speaker 1: That's right problem and Gavin Newsomer's case in point. You know,
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Speaker 1: a person like him who was a centrist has gone
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Speaker 1: to the far left because he's afraid of these people.
48:11
Speaker 1: Even if they're not hard left, they seem to have
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Speaker 1: been kept their mind has been captured by this work zeitgeist.
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Speaker 2: This is something that staggers me as a former staffist.
48:22
Speaker 2: So someone in the Biden camp has made an admission
48:27
Speaker 2: that if he had won the last election, if you'd
48:29
Speaker 2: stayed on and run overseas the final candidate he would
48:32
Speaker 2: have got, I'm assuming dirty money, a four million dollar
48:37
Speaker 2: payoff as a bonus, And.
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Speaker 15: The Washington Post was reporting this, where so American politics
48:43
Speaker 15: has big money, and we know this that even failed
48:45
Speaker 15: candidates are raising billion plus. That's almost a praise of
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Speaker 15: entry right now. So when you have that much money
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Speaker 15: slashing around, the incentives aren't even there. In this case,
48:53
Speaker 15: I guess he did have an incentive tied to the victory,
48:55
Speaker 15: but in general, so many of them just make so
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Speaker 15: much money around this political machine that comes up every
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Speaker 15: four years and everything. When the numbers are that big,
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Speaker 15: clean and perfect, it's hard to believe that. Again, I
49:06
Speaker 15: don't know the details of exactly what went down in
49:08
Speaker 15: terms of what the offer was here, but you know,
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Speaker 15: if you just step back and think of it that way,
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Speaker 15: it's not surprising that when you have that level of
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Speaker 15: money slashing around, things like this are going to happen.
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Speaker 2: How does Clinton enough, you know, multi multi millionaires. How
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Speaker 2: does Pelosi in office on a very modest way to
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Speaker 2: end up a multi millionaire?
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Speaker 1: Well, her husband's very active.
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Speaker 2: In the stock market. He's a Warren Buffett, and she's
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Speaker 2: obviously pretty.
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Speaker 1: Foundation, which was basically a scam where people thought the
49:38
Speaker 1: Democrats were going to be elected or the Hillary was
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Speaker 1: going to be elected, and it was a safe bit,
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Speaker 1: including the Australian government.
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Speaker 6: To Julie Biship loved and when she lost it right up.
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Speaker 6: That tells you what you need to know.
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Speaker 1: But I like Bill Clinton still from his policies. Peccadillos
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Speaker 1: have a good weekend.
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