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The Synesthetic Experience in Musical Performance · Music Explored Podcast

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  On
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  it,
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  and
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  work
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  on
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  stuff,
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  then
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  I
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  can
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  really
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  kind
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  of
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  hone
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  into
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  it.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean?
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  I
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  don't
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  know.
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  Like,
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  you
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  guys
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  play
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  music,
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  right?
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  So,
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  like,
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  have
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  you
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  ever,
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  like,
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  thought
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  of
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  what
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  you
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  were
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  about
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  to
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  play
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  on
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  your
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  instrument?
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  Instead
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  of
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  just
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  playing
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  the
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  notes,
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  like
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  you
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  have
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  that
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  pre
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  thought
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  of,
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  like,
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  what
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  you're
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  about
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  to
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  play?
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  And
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  you
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  play
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  better
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  because
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  of
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  that.
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  It's
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  that,
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  right.
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  Like,
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  if
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  I'm
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  just
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  listening
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  to
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  it,
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  it's
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  like,
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  yeah,
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  I'm
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  still
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  playing,
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  but
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  it's
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  not
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  as
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  confident
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  almost.
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  So
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  it's
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  I'm
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  thinking
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  behind
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  instead
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  of
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  ahead.
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  Right.
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  It's
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  one
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  of
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  those
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  kind
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  of
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  things.
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  I,
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  I,
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  it
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  takes
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  a
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  while
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  for
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  it
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  to,
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  like,
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  kind
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  of
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  sync
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  up
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  Do
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  you
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  forget,
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  or
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  do
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  you
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  always
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  remember
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  the
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  colors
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  of
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  the
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  music
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  that
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  you've
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  played?
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  It
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  changes
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  Okay.
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  Like,
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  more
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  in,
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  like,
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  I
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  guess,
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  vividness,
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  I'd
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  almost
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  say.
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  But,
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  like,
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  minor
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  thirds
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  and
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  major
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  thirds
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  are
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  pretty
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  much
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  always,
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  like,
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  blues
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  and
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  purples
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  to,
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  like,
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  reds
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  and
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  yellows.
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  Pretty
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  much
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  always.
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  And
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  then
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  when
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  you
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  get,
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  like,
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  chords
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  as,
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  like,
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  major
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  third,
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  minor
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  third,
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  then
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  you
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  get
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  the
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  cross
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  colors,
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  right.
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  You
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  get
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  the
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  greens
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  and
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  the
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  oranges
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  and
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  stuff.
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  It's
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  probably
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  like,
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  if
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  you
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  eat
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  a
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  meal
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  a
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  bunch
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  of
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  times,
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  eventually
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  kind
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  of
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  the
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  flavor
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  profile
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  changes
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  for
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  you.
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  Just
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  from
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  experiencing
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  it
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  over
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  and
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  over.
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  hate
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  meatloaf
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  as
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  a
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  kid,
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  and
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  then
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  you
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  start
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  to
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  like
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  meatloaf.
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  Yeah,
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  Right.
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  Got
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  it.
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  Does.
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  Does
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  it
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  change
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  based
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  on,
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  say,
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  if
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  you
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  smoked
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  weed
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  or
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  did
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  mushrooms
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  or
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  got
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  drunk,
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  would
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  the
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  synesthesia
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  kick
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  in
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  or
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  it,
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  that
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  doesn't
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  really
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  matter.
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  It
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  has
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  no
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  effect.
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  Like,
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  would
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  it
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  be
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  crazier
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  if
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  you
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  were
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  high
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  in
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  trying
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  to
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  play
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  an
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  instrument?
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  That's
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  a
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  good
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  question,
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  because
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  I
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  did
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  read
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  that
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  some
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  people
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  do
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  feel
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  an
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  increased
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  sense
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  when
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  they're
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  drunk
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  or
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  stressed,
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  tired.
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  I've
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  only
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  noticed,
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  like,
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  when
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  I'm
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  drunk,
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  it's
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  easier
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  just
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  for,
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  like,
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  everything
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  to
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  wash
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  over
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  me
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  because
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  I'm
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  not
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  really
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  thinking,
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  thinking
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  about
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  it.
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  Right.
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  You
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  know,
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  I'm
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  not
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  really
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  like,
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  oh,
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  what,
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  what's
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  that?
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  It's
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  just
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  more
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  like
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  it
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  just
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  hits
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  you
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  and
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  you
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  can't
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  really
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  stop
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  it,
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  so.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  I'm
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  not
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  a
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  doctor,
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  but
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  it,
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  it
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  does
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  seem
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  like
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  psychedelics
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  sort
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  of
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  make
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  synesthesia
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  possible
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  for
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  everyone.
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  Well,
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  yeah.
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  Right.
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  I,
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  I
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  kind
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  of
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  agree.
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  It
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  interconnects
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  your
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  senses,
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  and
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  because
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  shrooms.
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  You'Ll
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  get
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  that
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  trip.
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  So
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  I
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  heard.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Of
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  Course.
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  So,
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  yeah.
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  Your
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  senses
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  end
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  up
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  being
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  sent
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  to
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  more
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  than
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  one
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  location.
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  Yeah.
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  Plus
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  the
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  ones
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  they're
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  not
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  supposed
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  to
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  be
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  at.
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  Right.
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  And
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  then
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  you
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  get
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  all
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  kinds
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  of
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  experiences
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  that
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  aren't
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  actually
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  their
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  air
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  quotes.
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  Have
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  I
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  played
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  music
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  on
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  shrooms
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  or
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  acid?
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  I
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  gotta
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  think
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  about
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  that
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  first.
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  Well,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  if
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  you
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  change,
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  if
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  you
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  use
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  any
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  substance,
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  you're
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  going
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  to
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  change
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  your
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  perception
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  Right?
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  Like,
• 2:50
  have
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  either.
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  Has
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  anyone
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  done
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  psychedelics?
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  Like,
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  here
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  in
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  the
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  room?
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  It's
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  okay.
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  Yes.
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  The
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  safe
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  space.
• 2:56
  Yeah.
• 2:56
  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  I've
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  done
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  mushrooms.
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  Okay.
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  So,
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  feel
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  kind
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  of
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  swampy
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  when
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  you
• 3:02
  do
• 3:03
  shrooms.
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  Right.
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  You
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  kind
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  of
• 3:04
  feel
• 3:04
  like
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  you're
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  melding
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  into
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  the
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  earth
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  and
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  you
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  feel
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  everything
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  breathe.
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  Yeah.
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  I
• 3:12
  feel
• 3:12
  like
• 3:12
  it
• 3:12
  was
• 3:13
  more
• 3:13
  of
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  a.
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  Like,
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  I
• 3:15
  never
• 3:15
  went
• 3:16
  to
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  the
• 3:16
  point
• 3:16
  of,
• 3:16
  like,
• 3:16
  hallucinating.
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  Like,
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  I
• 3:18
  didn't
• 3:18
  get
• 3:18
  the
• 3:18
  crazy
• 3:19
  visuals.
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  Maybe,
• 3:19
  like,
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  mosaic,
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  like
• 3:21
  stained
• 3:21
  glass.
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  Yeah.
• 3:22
  That's,
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  like,
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  extent
• 3:23
  of
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  anything,
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  because
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  never
• 3:25
  wanted
• 3:25
  to
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  do
• 3:26
  it
• 3:26
  hardcore.
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  I'd
• 3:27
  say
• 3:27
  it
• 3:27
  was
• 3:27
  sharper,
• 3:29
  like,
• 3:29
  but
• 3:30
  just
• 3:30
  in
• 3:30
  general,
• 3:30
  that's
• 3:31
  with
• 3:31
  everything
• 3:31
  I
• 3:31
  was
• 3:31
  doing.
• 3:32
  Like,
• 3:32
  it
• 3:32
  felt
• 3:32
  like
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  could
• 3:32
  walk
• 3:33
  straighter.
• 3:33
  Yeah.
• 3:33
  It
• 3:34
  felt
• 3:34
  like
• 3:35
  I
• 3:35
  could
• 3:36
  improvise
• 3:37
  better.
• 3:37
  But
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  wouldn't
• 3:38
  say
• 3:38
  it
• 3:38
  changed
• 3:38
  the
• 3:39
  colors.
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  would
• 3:39
  maybe
• 3:40
  say
• 3:40
  it
• 3:40
  just
• 3:41
  wires
• 3:41
  your
• 3:41
  brain
• 3:42
  differently
• 3:42
  for
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  minute,
• 3:43
  for
• 3:44
  10
• 3:44
  hours.
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  mean.
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  Is
• 3:47
  there
• 3:47
  anything
• 3:48
  that
• 3:48
  decreases
• 3:49
  it?
• 3:50
  Stress.
• 3:50
  Stress.
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  Okay.
• 3:51
  Yeah.
• 3:52
  Same
• 3:52
  with
• 3:52
  you,
• 3:52
  Bridget.
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  Yeah.
• 3:53
  Yeah.
• 3:54
  Like,
• 3:54
  100%.
• 3:55
  Like,
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  first
• 3:56
  time
• 3:56
  that,
• 3:57
  like,
• 3:57
  getting
• 3:57
  into
• 3:58
  different
• 3:58
  genres
• 3:59
  decreases
• 3:59
  it.
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  Because
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  when
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  I'm.
• 4:01
  When
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  first
• 4:02
  started
• 4:02
  learning,
• 4:02
  you
• 4:03
  know,
• 4:03
  jazz
• 4:03
  or,
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  know,
• 4:04
  more
• 4:04
  of,
• 4:05
  like,
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  Indian
• 4:05
  raga
• 4:06
  scales,
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  wasn't
• 4:07
  really
• 4:08
  thinking
• 4:08
  of
• 4:09
  the
• 4:10
  colors
• 4:11
  and
• 4:11
  the,
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  know,
• 4:13
  stuff
• 4:13
  that
• 4:13
  I'm
• 4:13
  seeing
• 4:14
  to
• 4:14
  help
• 4:14
  me,
• 4:15
  just
• 4:15
  because
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  wasn't
• 4:16
  really
• 4:17
  yet
• 4:18
  aware
• 4:18
  of
• 4:19
  how
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  patterns
• 4:20
  of
• 4:21
  that
• 4:21
  music
• 4:21
  goes.
• 4:22
  Because
• 4:22
  you
• 4:22
  have.
• 4:22
  You
• 4:22
  have
• 4:23
  the.
• 4:23
  Yeah,
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  have
• 4:24
  different
• 4:24
  patterns
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  different
• 4:25
  genres
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  music.
• 4:26
  Like,
• 4:27
  country
• 4:27
  is
• 4:27
  one
• 4:27
  thing.
• 4:28
  Like,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  whatever.
• 4:29
  Blues
• 4:30
  is
• 4:30
  another.
• 4:30
  But.
• 4:31
  But
• 4:31
  then
• 4:31
  when
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  got
• 4:31
  into
• 4:32
  jazz,
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  was
• 4:32
  like.
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  was
• 4:33
  just
• 4:34
  concentrating
• 4:35
  on
• 4:35
  where
• 4:35
  the
• 4:36
  music
• 4:36
  was
• 4:36
  going
• 4:37
  instead
• 4:38
  of
• 4:38
  what
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  was
• 4:39
  doing
• 4:39
  then.
• 4:40
  Cause
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  was
• 4:40
  like,
• 4:41
  oh,
• 4:41
  man,
• 4:42
  they're
• 4:42
  doing
• 4:43
  so
• 4:43
  many
• 4:43
  different
• 4:43
  chords
• 4:44
  all
• 4:44
  over
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  place.
• 4:46
  What
• 4:46
  do
• 4:46
  I
• 4:47
  even
• 4:47
  do?
• 4:47
  So
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  was
• 4:47
  just
• 4:48
  focusing
• 4:48
  on
• 4:48
  myself,
• 4:50
  panicking,
• 4:50
  trying
• 4:51
  to
• 4:51
  get
• 4:51
  something
• 4:52
  out
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  sounded
• 4:52
  coherent
• 4:53
  instead
• 4:53
  of
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  music.
• 4:55
  It
• 4:55
  didn't
• 4:55
  feel
• 4:56
  as
• 4:56
  predictable,
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  guess,
• 4:57
  as
• 4:57
  what
• 4:57
  you
• 4:57
  were
• 4:58
  accustomed
• 4:58
  to.
• 4:58
  Right.
• 4:59
  Yeah.
• 4:59
  But
• 4:59
  then
• 5:00
  once,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:00
  now
• 5:01
  I
• 5:01
  can
• 5:01
  properly
• 5:02
  improvise.
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  mean,
• 5:03
  not
• 5:04
  as
• 5:04
  fancy
• 5:04
  as
• 5:05
  you
• 5:05
  can,
• 5:05
  probably.
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  wouldn't
• 5:06
  say
• 5:07
  over
• 5:07
  jazz.
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  got
• 5:08
  A
• 5:08
  question
• 5:08
  for
• 5:08
  you.
• 5:09
  Yeah.
• 5:09
  You
• 5:09
  mentioned
• 5:10
  like
• 5:10
  raags
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  like
• 5:11
  ragas
• 5:12
  and
• 5:12
  like
• 5:12
  Hindustani
• 5:13
  music.
• 5:13
  How
• 5:13
  do
• 5:14
  you
• 5:14
  feel
• 5:14
  about
• 5:14
  quarter
• 5:14
  tones?
• 5:15
  Oh,
• 5:16
  man.
• 5:16
  You
• 5:16
  know
• 5:17
  those
• 5:17
  messed
• 5:18
  me
• 5:18
  up
• 5:18
  for.
• 5:19
  Oh.
• 5:20
  Like
• 5:22
  I've
• 5:22
  been
• 5:22
  lucky
• 5:23
  enough
• 5:23
  to
• 5:24
  kind
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  be
• 5:24
  part
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  like
• 5:25
  bigger
• 5:25
  ensembles.
• 5:26
  Okay.
• 5:27
  So
• 5:27
  I've
• 5:28
  had
• 5:28
  kind
• 5:28
  of
• 5:29
  like
• 5:31
  more
• 5:31
  or
• 5:31
  less,
• 5:31
  kind
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  like
• 5:32
  one
• 5:32
  on
• 5:32
  one
• 5:32
  teaching
• 5:35
  from
• 5:35
  different
• 5:35
  people
• 5:36
  who
• 5:36
  have
• 5:36
  grown
• 5:37
  up
• 5:37
  with
• 5:37
  that
• 5:38
  music.
• 5:38
  Yeah.
• 5:39
  Okay.
• 5:39
  To
• 5:39
  those
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  you
• 5:40
  who
• 5:40
  are
• 5:40
  wondering,
• 5:40
  quarter
• 5:41
  tones
• 5:42
  are
• 5:42
  notes
• 5:44
  in
• 5:45
  between
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  notes
• 5:45
  we
• 5:45
  have
• 5:46
  in
• 5:46
  Western
• 5:46
  scales.
• 5:47
  Yeah.
• 5:47
  Yeah.
• 5:48
  So
• 5:48
  when
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  hear
• 5:49
  there
• 5:49
  can
• 5:49
  be
• 5:49
  more,
• 5:50
  more
• 5:50
  than.
• 5:50
  Than
• 5:51
  12
• 5:51
  notes
• 5:52
  in
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  scale.
• 5:53
  Yeah.
• 5:55
  There's
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  number
• 5:56
  for
• 5:57
  how
• 5:57
  many
• 5:57
  possible
• 5:58
  notes
• 5:58
  there
• 5:58
  is.
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  can't
• 5:59
  write.
• 5:59
  It's
• 5:59
  like
• 5:59
  188.
• 6:00
  Yeah.
• 6:01
  It's
• 6:01
  a
• 6:01
  whole
• 6:01
  new
• 6:01
  world.
• 6:02
  So.
• 6:02
  Okay,
• 6:02
  so
• 6:02
  like
• 6:03
  when
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  was
• 6:03
  in
• 6:04
  university,
• 6:04
  like
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  went
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  U
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  T,
• 6:06
  U
• 6:06
  of
• 6:07
  tiers.
• 6:07
  U
• 6:08
  of
• 6:08
  T.
• 6:09
  There's
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  big
• 6:10
  push
• 6:11
  in
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  classical
• 6:12
  department
• 6:12
  for
• 6:12
  like
• 6:13
  atonal
• 6:13
  music.
• 6:14
  So
• 6:15
  like
• 6:15
  more
• 6:16
  sciency.
• 6:17
  Like
• 6:17
  literally
• 6:18
  like
• 6:18
  throwing
• 6:18
  dice.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:19
  then
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  get
• 6:19
  like
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  tone
• 6:20
  row
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  whatever
• 6:21
  numbers
• 6:21
  correlate
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  this
• 6:22
  and
• 6:22
  serialism.
• 6:23
  Anyways,
• 6:24
  it's
• 6:24
  like
• 6:24
  all
• 6:24
  very
• 6:24
  crunchy
• 6:25
  stuff.
• 6:26
  Like,
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  liked
• 6:27
  that
• 6:28
  more
• 6:28
  because
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  was
• 6:29
  synesthetic.
• 6:30
  Like
• 6:30
  all
• 6:30
  of
• 6:30
  my
• 6:31
  colleagues
• 6:31
  looked
• 6:31
  at
• 6:31
  me
• 6:31
  like
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  bloody
• 6:32
  weirdo
• 6:32
  because
• 6:33
  they're
• 6:33
  like,
• 6:33
  what
• 6:34
  do
• 6:34
  you
• 6:35
  want
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  listen
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  this
• 6:37
  nonsense?
• 6:37
  Like,
• 6:38
  because
• 6:38
  it's
• 6:38
  all.
• 6:38
  It's
• 6:39
  really
• 6:39
  crunchy.
• 6:39
  Right.
• 6:40
  Like
• 6:40
  we're
• 6:40
  talking
• 6:41
  actually.
• 6:42
  Exactly.
• 6:43
  But
• 6:43
  I
• 6:44
  kind
• 6:44
  of
• 6:44
  loved
• 6:44
  it
• 6:44
  because
• 6:45
  like
• 6:45
  you
• 6:45
  get
• 6:46
  all
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  these
• 6:46
  weird
• 6:47
  intervals
• 6:48
  like
• 6:48
  back
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  back
• 6:48
  that
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  would
• 6:49
  never
• 6:49
  hear
• 6:49
  in
• 6:50
  like
• 6:50
  conventional
• 6:50
  music.
• 6:50
  And
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  gave
• 6:51
  me
• 6:51
  something
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  like
• 6:52
  eat.
• 6:53
  Like,
• 6:53
  as
• 6:53
  a
• 6:53
  musician.
• 6:54
  Like,
• 6:54
  do
• 6:54
  you
• 6:54
  like
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  kind
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  music?
• 6:55
  A
• 6:56
  little
• 6:56
  bit.
• 6:56
  Just
• 6:56
  cuz
• 6:56
  you're.
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  love
• 6:58
  it
• 6:58
  like
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  different.
• 6:59
  Like
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  piano
• 7:00
  is
• 7:00
  just
• 7:01
  some
• 7:02
  way.
• 7:02
  Because
• 7:02
  it's
• 7:02
  more
• 7:03
  like
• 7:03
  high
• 7:03
  pitch
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  lot
• 7:04
  of.
• 7:04
  So
• 7:04
  it's
• 7:04
  like
• 7:06
  just
• 7:07
  crazy
• 7:07
  runs.
• 7:07
  But
• 7:07
  then
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  tabla
• 7:08
  are
• 7:08
  more
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  water
• 7:10
  droplet.
• 7:11
  Like.
• 7:12
  Okay.
• 7:12
  So
• 7:13
  it's
• 7:13
  just.
• 7:13
  It's
• 7:13
  just
• 7:13
  so
• 7:14
  like.
• 7:14
  It's
• 7:15
  such
• 7:15
  a
• 7:15
  contrast.
• 7:16
  Yeah.
• 7:17
  Okay.
• 7:17
  It's
• 7:17
  like.
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  don't.
• 7:18
  It's.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  don't
• 7:19
  know.
• 7:19
  It's
• 7:19
  just
• 7:19
  so
• 7:19
  beautiful.
• 7:20
  Cool.
• 7:21
  There's
• 7:21
  so
• 7:21
  many
• 7:22
  different
• 7:22
  textures
• 7:22
  and
• 7:23
  like
• 7:23
  flavors.
• 7:24
  It's
• 7:24
  kind
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  like
• 7:25
  just.
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  don't.
• 7:26
  It's
• 7:26
  crazy.
• 7:27
  And
• 7:27
  I've
• 7:27
  been
• 7:28
  playing
• 7:28
  Tamil
• 7:29
  as
• 7:29
  well.
• 7:29
  More
• 7:30
  like
• 7:30
  Southern
• 7:30
  Indian.
• 7:31
  Okay.
• 7:31
  Very
• 7:31
  cool.
• 7:32
  And
• 7:32
  that's
• 7:32
  hard.
• 7:34
  It's
• 7:34
  crazy.
• 7:35
  But
• 7:35
  like
• 7:36
  once
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  kind
• 7:36
  of
• 7:37
  start
• 7:37
  getting
• 7:37
  it,
• 7:37
  it's
• 7:38
  like,
• 7:38
  okay,
• 7:38
  cool.
• 7:38
  I
• 7:39
  have
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  foot
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  the
• 7:40
  door.
• 7:40
  Let's
• 7:41
  learn
• 7:41
  more.
• 7:42
  And
• 7:43
  I've
• 7:44
  found
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  in
• 7:45
  Goan
• 7:46
  music,
• 7:46
  like
• 7:46
  Goa,
• 7:47
  India.
• 7:47
  Okay.
• 7:48
  They
• 7:48
  have
• 7:49
  so
• 7:49
  many,
• 7:50
  like,
• 7:50
  flamenco
• 7:51
  aspects
• 7:52
  because
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  all
• 7:52
  the
• 7:53
  travelers
• 7:53
  who
• 7:53
  came
• 7:53
  over
• 7:54
  from
• 7:54
  Spain
• 7:55
  and
• 7:56
  Portugal,
• 7:56
  so
• 7:57
  they
• 7:57
  went
• 7:57
  there.
• 7:57
  So
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  start
• 7:58
  hearing,
• 7:58
  like,
• 7:59
  flamenco,
• 7:59
  like
• 8:00
  this
• 8:00
  beautiful
• 8:00
  orange,
• 8:01
  like,
• 8:01
  burnt
• 8:01
  orange
• 8:02
  sounds
• 8:03
  in
• 8:03
  it
• 8:03
  all
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  sudden.
• 8:04
  And
• 8:04
  then,
• 8:04
  like,
• 8:04
  this
• 8:04
  flamenco
• 8:05
  guitar
• 8:06
  comes
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  while
• 8:07
  these,
• 8:07
  like,
• 8:08
  choruses
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  ladies
• 8:09
  are
• 8:09
  like.
• 8:12
  That'S
• 8:12
  amazing.
• 8:12
  And
• 8:13
  it
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  just,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  know,
• 8:14
  it's
• 8:14
  just
• 8:14
  so
• 8:15
  beautiful.
• 8:15
  And
• 8:15
  I
• 8:16
  didn't
• 8:16
  expect
• 8:16
  it
• 8:17
  because
• 8:17
  I've
• 8:17
  never
• 8:17
  heard
• 8:18
  that
• 8:18
  before
• 8:18
  in
• 8:19
  my
• 8:19
  life.
• 8:19
  Yeah,
• 8:20
  absolutely.
• 8:20
  It's
• 8:21
  just
• 8:21
  like
• 8:21
  having
• 8:21
  a
• 8:22
  new
• 8:22
  sensation
• 8:23
  or
• 8:24
  like
• 8:24
  a
• 8:24
  new
• 8:24
  meal
• 8:25
  at
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  fancy
• 8:25
  restaurant.
• 8:26
  You're
• 8:26
  like,
• 8:26
  I
• 8:27
  never
• 8:27
  would
• 8:27
  have
• 8:27
  thought
• 8:28
  to
• 8:28
  put
• 8:28
  those
• 8:28
  two
• 8:29
  flavors
• 8:29
  together.
• 8:29
  But
• 8:30
  now
• 8:30
  that
• 8:30
  I'm
• 8:31
  having
• 8:31
  it,
• 8:32
  that's
• 8:32
  amazing.
• 8:33
  Yeah,
• 8:33
  it's
• 8:33
  like
• 8:33
  putting,
• 8:34
  like
• 8:35
  making
• 8:35
  basil
• 8:35
  ice
• 8:36
  cream.
• 8:36
  Also
• 8:37
  highly
• 8:37
  recommend.
• 8:38
  But
• 8:38
  it's.
• 8:39
  You
• 8:39
  think
• 8:39
  it's
• 8:39
  weird
• 8:40
  at
• 8:40
  first,
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  then
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  try
• 8:40
  and
• 8:41
  you're
• 8:41
  like,
• 8:41
  yeah,
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  can
• 8:41
  get
• 8:42
  with
• 8:42
  it.
• 8:42
  Yeah.
• 8:44
  Yeah.
• 8:45
  Wow.
• 8:46
  Always
• 8:46
  comes
• 8:47
  back
• 8:47
  to
• 8:47
  food.
• 8:48
  Always,
• 8:48
  Always.
• 8:49
  For
• 8:49
  me,
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  could
• 8:50
  always.
• 8:50
  I
• 8:51
  see.
• 8:52
  Has
• 8:52
  nothing
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  do
• 8:53
  with
• 8:53
  what
• 8:53
  we're
• 8:53
  talking
• 8:54
  about.
• 8:54
  I'm
• 8:54
  not
• 8:54
  a
• 8:55
  synesthete
• 8:56
  or
• 8:56
  whatever
• 8:56
  you
• 8:57
  describe
• 8:57
  yourself,
• 8:58
  but
• 8:59
  I've
• 8:59
  always
• 8:59
  seen
• 9:00
  a
• 9:00
  relationship
• 9:00
  or
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  correlation
• 9:01
  between
• 9:02
  food
• 9:02
  and
• 9:02
  music.
• 9:03
  Just
• 9:03
  like
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  way
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  ingredients
• 9:05
  are
• 9:05
  layered.
• 9:05
  Music
• 9:06
  is
• 9:06
  layered
• 9:06
  as
• 9:07
  sounds
• 9:08
  not
• 9:09
  quite
• 9:09
  there
• 9:11
  as
• 9:11
  far
• 9:11
  as,
• 9:12
  like,
• 9:13
  it
• 9:13
  might
• 9:14
  just
• 9:14
  be
• 9:14
  something
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  I've
• 9:15
  put
• 9:15
  together
• 9:17
  just
• 9:17
  as,
• 9:17
  like,
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  comparison
• 9:18
  in
• 9:18
  my
• 9:19
  mind,
• 9:19
  more
• 9:20
  than,
• 9:20
  like,
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  sense
• 9:21
  overlap
• 9:22
  or
• 9:22
  sensory
• 9:22
  overlap.
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  think
• 9:23
  that's
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  really
• 9:23
  good
• 9:24
  comparison.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:25
  mean,
• 9:25
  if
• 9:25
  we
• 9:25
  get
• 9:25
  into,
• 9:25
  like,
• 9:26
  etymology
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  culture,
• 9:27
  I
• 9:28
  mean,
• 9:28
  every
• 9:28
  culture
• 9:28
  has
• 9:29
  food,
• 9:29
  every
• 9:29
  culture
• 9:29
  has
• 9:30
  music,
• 9:30
  and
• 9:30
  they
• 9:30
  both
• 9:31
  evolve
• 9:32
  side
• 9:33
  by
• 9:33
  side.
• 9:34
  The
• 9:34
  other
• 9:34
  one
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  can
• 9:34
  throw
• 9:35
  in
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  dance,
• 9:35
  right?
• 9:36
  You're
• 9:37
  making
• 9:37
  music
• 9:37
  that
• 9:37
  no
• 9:37
  one
• 9:37
  can
• 9:38
  dance
• 9:38
  to.
• 9:38
  Like,
• 9:38
  are
• 9:38
  you
• 9:39
  really
• 9:39
  making
• 9:39
  music?
• 9:40
  And
• 9:40
  that's
• 9:40
  a
• 9:41
  bigger
• 9:41
  question
• 9:41
  for
• 9:41
  us.
• 9:42
  It's
• 9:43
  called
• 9:43
  classical.
• 9:44
  Yeah,
• 9:44
  exactly.
• 9:45
  Oh,
• 9:45
  my
• 9:45
  God.
• 9:46
  But
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  know,
• 9:47
  whoa.
• 9:48
  You're
• 9:48
  gonna
• 9:48
  get
• 9:49
  in
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  lot
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  trouble.
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  can
• 9:51
  get
• 9:51
  in
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  lot
• 9:51
  of
• 9:52
  trouble
• 9:52
  right
• 9:52
  now
• 9:52
  for
• 9:52
  disempower
• 9:53
  Bach.
• 9:53
  But
• 9:53
  you
• 9:54
  can't
• 9:54
  dance
• 9:54
  to
• 9:55
  Bach,
• 9:55
  right?
• 9:56
  Hey,
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  was
• 9:57
  in
• 9:57
  restaurants
• 9:57
  for
• 9:58
  12
• 9:59
  years
• 9:59
  before
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  pandemic
• 10:00
  hit.
• 10:00
  I'm
• 10:01
  a
• 10:01
  young
• 10:01
  punk,
• 10:01
  but
• 10:02
  I've
• 10:02
  been
• 10:02
  doing
• 10:02
  it
• 10:02
  for
• 10:02
  a
• 10:02
  long
• 10:03
  time.
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  love
• 10:04
  food.
• 10:04
  Like,
• 10:05
  food
• 10:05
  and
• 10:05
  music.
• 10:06
  I.
• 10:06
  I'm
• 10:06
  with
• 10:07
  you,
• 10:07
  man.
• 10:07
  Like,
• 10:08
  it's
• 10:08
  all
• 10:08
  about
• 10:09
  layering
• 10:09
  things,
• 10:09
  especially
• 10:10
  from
• 10:10
  different
• 10:10
  cuisines.
• 10:11
  Like,
• 10:11
  you
• 10:11
  look
• 10:11
  at
• 10:11
  Italian
• 10:12
  cuisine,
• 10:12
  it's
• 10:12
  more
• 10:13
  or
• 10:13
  less
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  rule
• 10:13
  of
• 10:14
  three,
• 10:15
  right?
• 10:15
  Keeping
• 10:15
  it
• 10:15
  simple.
• 10:16
  You've
• 10:16
  got
• 10:16
  one
• 10:16
  ingredient,
• 10:17
  main
• 10:17
  ingredient.
• 10:18
  You
• 10:18
  got
• 10:18
  your
• 10:18
  secondary,
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  got
• 10:19
  something
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  ties
• 10:20
  it
• 10:20
  together.
• 10:20
  Yeah,
• 10:21
  that's.
• 10:21
  There's
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  lot
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  music
• 10:22
  written
• 10:23
  like
• 10:23
  that.
• 10:23
  Very
• 10:23
  true.
• 10:24
  Like,
• 10:24
  a
• 10:24
  lot.
• 10:25
  Right.
• 10:25
  You
• 10:25
  got
• 10:25
  a
• 10:25
  chorus,
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  got
• 10:26
  a.
• 10:27
  Like,
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  verse,
• 10:27
  and
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  got
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  bridge.
• 10:28
  Those
• 10:29
  are
• 10:29
  three
• 10:29
  ingredients
• 10:30
  with
• 10:30
  different
• 10:30
  flavors
• 10:31
  from
• 10:31
  instruments.
• 10:32
  Yeah.
• 10:32
  You
• 10:32
  can
• 10:32
  read
• 10:33
  it
• 10:33
  so
• 10:33
  many
• 10:33
  different
• 10:33
  ways.
• 10:34
  But,
• 10:34
  yeah,
• 10:34
  I'm
• 10:34
  with
• 10:34
  you,
• 10:34
  man.
• 10:35
  Like,
• 10:36
  hey,
• 10:36
  I
• 10:37
  mean,
• 10:37
  like,
• 10:38
  you're
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  multi
• 10:38
  instrumentalist.
• 10:39
  You
• 10:39
  must.
• 10:40
  Technically,
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  just
• 10:41
  do
• 10:41
  violin
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  viola,
• 10:42
  but
• 10:42
  I'm
• 10:43
  kind
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  cheating
• 10:43
  right
• 10:43
  now
• 10:44
  because
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  have
• 10:44
  a
• 10:44
  five
• 10:44
  string
• 10:45
  violin.
• 10:45
  So
• 10:45
  it's
• 10:45
  like.
• 10:45
  Oh,
• 10:46
  no,
• 10:46
  it's
• 10:46
  the
• 10:47
  same
• 10:47
  thing.
• 10:48
  I
• 10:49
  just.
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  don't
• 10:49
  think
• 10:50
  it's
• 10:50
  cheating.
• 10:50
  But,
• 10:50
  like,
• 10:51
  I'm
• 10:51
  sure
• 10:51
  you've
• 10:52
  picked
• 10:52
  up
• 10:52
  a
• 10:52
  guitar.
• 10:53
  Oh,
• 10:53
  yeah,
• 10:54
  yeah.
• 10:54
  It's
• 10:54
  kind
• 10:54
  of
• 10:54
  like.
• 10:55
  Do
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  find
• 10:55
  it's
• 10:55
  like
• 10:55
  adding
• 10:56
  spices
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  your
• 10:57
  spice
• 10:57
  rack?
• 10:57
  Absolutely.
• 10:58
  Right?
• 10:59
  Yeah.
• 10:59
  Right.
• 10:59
  It's
• 11:00
  like
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  get
• 11:00
  different
• 11:01
  color
• 11:01
  tones
• 11:02
  out
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  it.
• 11:02
  You
• 11:02
  get
• 11:02
  different
• 11:03
  timbres.
• 11:03
  Yeah.
• 11:04
  Actually,
• 11:04
  I.
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  wrote
• 11:05
  just
• 11:06
  so
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  wouldn't,
• 11:06
  like,
• 11:07
  forget
• 11:07
  or,
• 11:07
  like,
• 11:07
  freeze.
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  wrote
• 11:08
  things
• 11:09
  down
• 11:11
  so
• 11:11
  just
• 11:12
  so
• 11:12
  I'm
• 11:12
  not
• 11:12
  just
• 11:13
  trying
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  think
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  stuff.
• 11:14
  Because
• 11:14
  for
• 11:14
  me,
• 11:15
  it's
• 11:15
  not
• 11:15
  really
• 11:16
  the
• 11:17
  intervals.
• 11:17
  It's
• 11:18
  more
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  timbre
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  instrument.
• 11:21
  So,
• 11:21
  like,
• 11:22
  like
• 11:23
  violins
• 11:24
  and
• 11:24
  violin,
• 11:25
  viola,
• 11:25
  cello,
• 11:26
  bass,
• 11:26
  like,
• 11:27
  wooden
• 11:27
  instruments
• 11:28
  are
• 11:28
  very,
• 11:29
  like,
• 11:30
  orangey
• 11:30
  but
• 11:31
  green.
• 11:31
  Like,
• 11:32
  they're
• 11:32
  very
• 11:32
  like.
• 11:34
  Like.
• 11:34
  Like,
• 11:35
  obviously,
• 11:35
  like.
• 11:36
  I
• 11:36
  don't
• 11:36
  know,
• 11:38
  it's
• 11:38
  not
• 11:38
  brown,
• 11:39
  which
• 11:39
  would
• 11:39
  be
• 11:39
  what
• 11:39
  those
• 11:40
  two
• 11:40
  colors
• 11:40
  are
• 11:40
  together.
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  know
• 11:41
  brown,
• 11:42
  but
• 11:42
  it's
• 11:42
  just
• 11:42
  like,
• 11:43
  you
• 11:43
  know.
• 11:43
  But
• 11:43
  then,
• 11:44
  like,
• 11:44
  you
• 11:44
  have
• 11:44
  horns
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  things
• 11:46
  made
• 11:46
  of
• 11:46
  steel,
• 11:46
  and
• 11:47
  those
• 11:47
  are
• 11:47
  more
• 11:47
  like
• 11:48
  orange
• 11:49
  and
• 11:49
  sharp
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  not
• 11:51
  necessarily,
• 11:51
  like
• 11:51
  a
• 11:51
  rare
• 11:52
  orange,
• 11:52
  like
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  pure
• 11:53
  orange
• 11:54
  going
• 11:54
  on
• 11:55
  white
• 11:55
  at
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  top
• 11:56
  for,
• 11:56
  like,
• 11:56
  symbols.
• 11:56
  But
• 11:57
  then,
• 11:57
  like,
• 11:57
  horns
• 11:59
  are
• 11:59
  just,
• 11:59
  like,
• 12:00
  orange
• 12:01
  or,
• 12:01
  like,
• 12:01
  really
• 12:02
  burnt
• 12:02
  orange,
• 12:03
  like,
• 12:03
  dark
• 12:03
  orange.
• 12:04
  When,
• 12:04
  like,
• 12:04
  the
• 12:05
  trombones
• 12:06
  do
• 12:06
  like,
• 12:06
  their
• 12:06
  crazy,
• 12:07
  like.
• 12:08
  Yeah,
• 12:08
  yeah.
• 12:08
  Thingies.
• 12:10
  It's
• 12:10
  just
• 12:10
  crazy.
• 12:12
  Let's
• 12:12
  see.
• 12:12
  I
• 12:13
  have,
• 12:13
  like.
• 12:13
  Violin
• 12:13
  is
• 12:14
  orange,
• 12:14
  but
• 12:15
  more
• 12:15
  like
• 12:15
  yellowish.
• 12:16
  Electric
• 12:16
  violin
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  electric
• 12:17
  instruments
• 12:18
  are
• 12:18
  kind
• 12:18
  of,
• 12:18
  like,
• 12:19
  sharper.
• 12:20
  They're
• 12:21
  more
• 12:21
  like
• 12:21
  red
• 12:22
  or
• 12:23
  dark
• 12:23
  orange.
• 12:23
  Viola
• 12:24
  is
• 12:24
  orange
• 12:24
  with
• 12:25
  more
• 12:25
  green.
• 12:25
  Cello
• 12:26
  is
• 12:26
  green
• 12:26
  with
• 12:26
  some
• 12:26
  orange
• 12:27
  at
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  top
• 12:28
  notes.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  bass
• 12:29
  is
• 12:30
  more
• 12:30
  like,
• 12:30
  brown
• 12:31
  with
• 12:31
  purple.
• 12:32
  Maroon
• 12:33
  colors.
• 12:33
  You
• 12:33
  kind
• 12:34
  of
• 12:34
  got
• 12:34
  a
• 12:34
  gradient
• 12:34
  going
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  there.
• 12:35
  Yeah,
• 12:36
  yeah.
• 12:36
  Okay,
• 12:37
  that's
• 12:37
  cool.
• 12:37
  And
• 12:37
  how
• 12:37
  do
• 12:37
  they
• 12:38
  all
• 12:38
  fit
• 12:38
  together?
• 12:39
  Do
• 12:39
  they,
• 12:39
  like,
• 12:39
  overlap
• 12:40
  in
• 12:40
  any
• 12:40
  way?
• 12:40
  Are
• 12:40
  they
• 12:41
  stacked?
• 12:41
  Is
• 12:42
  it
• 12:42
  a
• 12:42
  rainbow?
• 12:43
  Oh,
• 12:43
  taste
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  rainbow.
• 12:44
  Yeah.
• 12:44
  I
• 12:45
  mean,
• 12:45
  it's
• 12:45
  kind
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  like
• 12:45
  if
• 12:46
  I'm
• 12:46
  listening
• 12:46
  to
• 12:46
  a
• 12:46
  piece
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  music,
• 12:47
  I'm
• 12:47
  gonna
• 12:47
  notice,
• 12:48
  like,
• 12:48
  in
• 12:49
  my
• 12:49
  Mind
• 12:50
  just
• 12:51
  again,
• 12:52
  through
• 12:52
  growing
• 12:52
  up,
• 12:52
  reading
• 12:53
  music.
• 12:54
  Like,
• 12:54
  the
• 12:55
  top
• 12:55
  notes
• 12:55
  are
• 12:56
  kind
• 12:56
  of
• 12:56
  at
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  top.
• 12:56
  So
• 12:57
  it's
• 12:57
  kind
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  like
• 12:57
  the
• 12:58
  lines
• 12:59
  of
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  violin
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  flute
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  everything
• 13:01
  are
• 13:01
  more
• 13:01
  at
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  top.
• 13:02
  So
• 13:02
  I
• 13:02
  kind
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  see
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  patterns
• 13:03
  of
• 13:04
  those
• 13:04
  colors
• 13:05
  up
• 13:05
  here.
• 13:05
  Yeah.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:07
  then
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  can
• 13:08
  just
• 13:08
  kind
• 13:08
  of
• 13:08
  like
• 13:09
  focus
• 13:09
  in
• 13:10
  on
• 13:11
  the
• 13:12
  mid
• 13:13
  tones
• 13:13
  or
• 13:13
  the
• 13:14
  lower
• 13:14
  colors.
• 13:15
  Okay.
• 13:15
  It's
• 13:15
  kind
• 13:15
  of
• 13:15
  like
• 13:16
  when
• 13:16
  you're
• 13:16
  reading
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  book,
• 13:16
  you
• 13:17
  have
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  whole
• 13:17
  page.
• 13:18
  You
• 13:18
  can
• 13:18
  focus
• 13:18
  in
• 13:19
  on
• 13:19
  one
• 13:19
  sentence.
• 13:20
  Right.
• 13:20
  But
• 13:20
  you
• 13:20
  won't
• 13:20
  get
• 13:21
  distracted
• 13:21
  by
• 13:21
  the
• 13:21
  sentence
• 13:22
  above
• 13:22
  or
• 13:22
  below
• 13:23
  it.
• 13:23
  Gotcha.
• 13:24
  Because
• 13:24
  you're
• 13:24
  just
• 13:24
  reading
• 13:24
  that.
• 13:25
  That
• 13:25
  one
• 13:25
  line.
• 13:25
  Yeah.
• 13:26
  One
• 13:26
  line.
• 13:26
  Yeah.
• 13:27
  Did
• 13:27
  we
• 13:28
  last
• 13:28
  time
• 13:29
  talk
• 13:29
  about
• 13:30
  Alice
• 13:30
  in
• 13:30
  Wonderland
• 13:31
  syndrome?
• 13:32
  Yeah.
• 13:32
  Do
• 13:33
  you
• 13:33
  have
• 13:33
  that?
• 13:33
  I.
• 13:34
  Wait,
• 13:35
  what
• 13:35
  is
• 13:35
  that?
• 13:35
  What
• 13:36
  is
• 13:36
  that?
• 13:38
  If
• 13:38
  I'm
• 13:38
  remembering
• 13:39
  this,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:40
  have
• 13:40
  it,
• 13:40
  right?
• 13:41
  Sometimes.
• 13:42
  Only
• 13:42
  it's
• 13:42
  only
• 13:42
  sometimes.
• 13:43
  If
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  had
• 13:43
  it
• 13:43
  all
• 13:43
  the
• 13:44
  time,
• 13:44
  you
• 13:44
  wouldn't
• 13:44
  be
• 13:44
  able
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  function.
• 13:45
  Yeah,
• 13:45
  only
• 13:46
  if
• 13:46
  I'm
• 13:46
  eating
• 13:46
  kiwis.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:47
  I'm.
• 13:48
  I'm
• 13:48
  allergic
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  kiwi
• 13:49
  fruit.
• 13:50
  I'm
• 13:50
  allergic.
• 13:50
  I'm
• 13:51
  allergic
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  kiwi
• 13:52
  fruit.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:52
  I
• 13:52
  only
• 13:53
  know
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  because
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  would,
• 13:54
  like,
• 13:55
  make
• 13:55
  my
• 13:55
  mouse
• 13:55
  slip,
• 13:56
  like,
• 13:56
  fuzzy
• 13:56
  and
• 13:56
  tingly
• 13:57
  and
• 13:57
  itchy.
• 13:57
  That's
• 13:58
  just
• 13:58
  kiwis.
• 13:58
  That's
• 13:59
  just
• 13:59
  kiwis.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  then
• 14:01
  gotta
• 14:01
  peel
• 14:01
  them.
• 14:02
  So
• 14:02
  I
• 14:02
  never
• 14:02
  really
• 14:03
  ate
• 14:03
  them
• 14:03
  because
• 14:04
  I'm
• 14:04
  like,
• 14:04
  oh,
• 14:04
  this
• 14:05
  is
• 14:05
  a
• 14:05
  shitty
• 14:05
  fruit.
• 14:06
  Gross.
• 14:06
  And
• 14:07
  then
• 14:07
  one
• 14:07
  day
• 14:07
  I
• 14:07
  was
• 14:07
  at
• 14:07
  work
• 14:08
  at
• 14:08
  a
• 14:09
  bakery
• 14:09
  and
• 14:09
  we
• 14:09
  had
• 14:09
  some,
• 14:10
  like,
• 14:10
  extra
• 14:10
  fruit
• 14:10
  left
• 14:11
  over,
• 14:11
  so
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  just,
• 14:11
  like,
• 14:12
  ate
• 14:12
  a
• 14:12
  slice
• 14:12
  of
• 14:12
  kiwi.
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  was
• 14:13
  like,
• 14:13
  oh,
• 14:14
  maybe
• 14:14
  let's
• 14:14
  try
• 14:14
  this
• 14:14
  fruit
• 14:15
  again.
• 14:15
  I'll
• 14:16
  like
• 14:16
  it
• 14:16
  more
• 14:16
  as
• 14:16
  an
• 14:16
  adult.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:17
  then
• 14:17
  I
• 14:18
  just
• 14:18
  felt
• 14:19
  my
• 14:19
  hands
• 14:20
  getting
• 14:20
  farther
• 14:20
  away
• 14:21
  from
• 14:21
  me,
• 14:21
  and
• 14:22
  it
• 14:22
  was
• 14:22
  like,
• 14:22
  boy,
• 14:24
  it
• 14:24
  was.
• 14:24
  It
• 14:25
  was
• 14:25
  like,
• 14:25
  oh,
• 14:26
  man.
• 14:27
  Like,
• 14:27
  so
• 14:28
  Alice
• 14:28
  in
• 14:28
  Wonderland,
• 14:29
  it's.
• 14:29
  There
• 14:29
  are.
• 14:30
  There
• 14:30
  are
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  lot
• 14:31
  of.
• 14:31
  It
• 14:31
  seems
• 14:31
  like
• 14:32
  people
• 14:32
  with
• 14:32
  synesthesia,
• 14:33
  it
• 14:33
  seems
• 14:33
  to.
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  don't
• 14:34
  know
• 14:34
  if
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  know
• 14:35
  this.
• 14:35
  I'm
• 14:35
  not
• 14:35
  a
• 14:35
  doctor,
• 14:36
  so
• 14:36
  everything
• 14:36
  I
• 14:36
  say
• 14:37
  doesn't
• 14:37
  matter.
• 14:38
  Don't.
• 14:39
  Don't
• 14:39
  write
• 14:39
  in.
• 14:40
  Don't
• 14:40
  call.
• 14:42
  But
• 14:42
  it.
• 14:43
  It's
• 14:43
  not
• 14:44
  a.
• 14:44
  An
• 14:44
  extremely
• 14:45
  well
• 14:45
  studied
• 14:47
  area.
• 14:47
  Right.
• 14:47
  Because
• 14:49
  this,
• 14:49
  like
• 14:49
  Alice
• 14:50
  in
• 14:50
  Wonderland
• 14:50
  syndrome,
• 14:50
  which
• 14:50
  I'll
• 14:51
  explain
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  second.
• 14:51
  Like
• 14:52
  adhd,
• 14:52
  there
• 14:53
  are
• 14:53
  things
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  you
• 14:54
  experience
• 14:54
  inside.
• 14:55
  Right.
• 14:56
  Like
• 14:56
  we're
• 14:56
  talking
• 14:57
  about
• 14:57
  this,
• 14:57
  but
• 14:57
  there's
• 14:57
  no
• 14:58
  way
• 14:58
  for
• 14:58
  us
• 14:58
  to
• 14:58
  really
• 14:59
  demonstrate
• 15:01
  we
• 15:01
  may
• 15:01
  be
• 15:02
  lying
• 15:02
  too.
• 15:03
  Right.
• 15:03
  It's
• 15:03
  like
• 15:03
  it
• 15:03
  doesn't
• 15:03
  really
• 15:04
  matter.
• 15:04
  So.
• 15:05
  But
• 15:05
  now
• 15:05
  there
• 15:05
  seems
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  be
• 15:06
  more
• 15:06
  evidence
• 15:06
  that
• 15:07
  some
• 15:07
  of
• 15:07
  these
• 15:07
  conditions
• 15:08
  are
• 15:08
  connected.
• 15:08
  So
• 15:08
  Alice
• 15:09
  in
• 15:09
  Wonderland
• 15:09
  syndrome
• 15:10
  is
• 15:10
  something
• 15:10
  I've
• 15:10
  had
• 15:11
  My
• 15:11
  whole
• 15:11
  life.
• 15:11
  And
• 15:11
  I
• 15:12
  didn't
• 15:12
  know
• 15:12
  that
• 15:12
  nobody
• 15:12
  else
• 15:13
  has
• 15:13
  it.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  don't
• 15:14
  remember
• 15:14
  how,
• 15:14
  but
• 15:14
  I
• 15:15
  found
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  name
• 15:15
  of
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  condition.
• 15:16
  Like,
• 15:16
  oh,
• 15:16
  that's
• 15:16
  very
• 15:17
  appropriate.
• 15:17
  So
• 15:18
  your
• 15:18
  senses
• 15:19
  change
• 15:20
  for
• 15:20
  some
• 15:20
  reason.
• 15:20
  It's
• 15:21
  accompanied
• 15:21
  with
• 15:21
  migraines
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  panic.
• 15:23
  For
• 15:23
  me,
• 15:23
  it's
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  best
• 15:23
  thing
• 15:24
  ever.
• 15:24
  Everything.
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  didn't
• 15:26
  even
• 15:26
  know
• 15:26
  I'm
• 15:26
  supposed
• 15:27
  to
• 15:27
  be
• 15:27
  scared
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  it.
• 15:27
  Everything
• 15:28
  becomes
• 15:28
  super
• 15:28
  far
• 15:29
  away.
• 15:30
  Like
• 15:31
  you,
• 15:31
  where
• 15:31
  you
• 15:31
  are.
• 15:32
  That's
• 15:32
  not
• 15:32
  normal.
• 15:33
  You
• 15:34
  have
• 15:34
  that.
• 15:35
  Yeah,
• 15:35
  it's
• 15:35
  totally.
• 15:35
  There
• 15:36
  you
• 15:36
  go.
• 15:36
  Synesthesia.
• 15:37
  But
• 15:38
  see,
• 15:38
  it's
• 15:38
  somehow
• 15:38
  connected,
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  we
• 15:39
  should
• 15:39
  figure
• 15:39
  out
• 15:40
  how.
• 15:40
  So
• 15:40
  you're
• 15:40
  sitting
• 15:41
  there,
• 15:41
  and
• 15:42
  suddenly
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  TV
• 15:43
  just
• 15:43
  is,
• 15:43
  like
• 15:44
  40ft
• 15:44
  away.
• 15:46
  It
• 15:46
  just
• 15:46
  kind
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  like
• 15:47
  pulls
• 15:47
  focus.
• 15:48
  Like
• 15:48
  your
• 15:48
  feet
• 15:49
  are
• 15:49
  so
• 15:49
  much
• 15:49
  farther
• 15:49
  away
• 15:50
  from
• 15:50
  you.
• 15:50
  But
• 15:50
  it's
• 15:50
  weird
• 15:50
  because
• 15:50
  you
• 15:51
  have
• 15:51
  full
• 15:51
  control.
• 15:51
  Like,
• 15:51
  I
• 15:51
  can
• 15:52
  still
• 15:52
  reach
• 15:52
  for.
• 15:53
  For
• 15:53
  anything
• 15:54
  and
• 15:54
  get
• 15:54
  it.
• 15:54
  It's
• 15:54
  not
• 15:55
  like,
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  know,
• 15:55
  you're
• 15:56
  still
• 15:56
  normal,
• 15:56
  but
• 15:57
  it's
• 15:57
  almost
• 15:57
  like.
• 15:58
  Well.
• 15:59
  Or
• 15:59
  not,
• 15:59
  but
• 15:59
  it's
• 16:00
  almost.
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  don't
• 16:01
  know,
• 16:01
  it's
• 16:01
  super
• 16:02
  weird.
• 16:02
  And
• 16:02
  everything
• 16:02
  becomes
• 16:03
  like
• 16:03
  your
• 16:03
  TV
• 16:04
  is
• 16:04
  just
• 16:04
  like
• 16:04
  a
• 16:05
  thumbnail
• 16:05
  size
• 16:06
  at
• 16:06
  that
• 16:06
  point,
• 16:06
  but
• 16:07
  somehow
• 16:07
  you
• 16:07
  can
• 16:07
  still
• 16:07
  see
• 16:07
  it
• 16:08
  because
• 16:08
  your
• 16:08
  eyes
• 16:08
  are
• 16:09
  still.
• 16:09
  Yeah.
• 16:09
  So
• 16:10
  everything
• 16:10
  just
• 16:10
  feels
• 16:11
  really
• 16:11
  right.
• 16:11
  But
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  get
• 16:12
  the
• 16:12
  reverse
• 16:12
  sometimes,
• 16:13
  too.
• 16:14
  I'll
• 16:14
  feel
• 16:14
  like
• 16:14
  I'm
• 16:15
  really
• 16:15
  sore.
• 16:15
  That's
• 16:15
  just
• 16:15
  somebody
• 16:16
  hugging
• 16:16
  you.
• 16:17
  No,
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  know,
• 16:17
  but,
• 16:17
  like,
• 16:18
  it's.
• 16:18
  It's
• 16:18
  that
• 16:19
  perception
• 16:19
  of,
• 16:19
  like.
• 16:20
  I
• 16:20
  always
• 16:20
  get
• 16:20
  it
• 16:20
  when
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  get
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  go
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  bed.
• 16:22
  Huh.
• 16:22
  It's
• 16:22
  a
• 16:23
  really.
• 16:23
  Yeah.
• 16:23
  Nighttime
• 16:24
  is
• 16:24
  usually
• 16:24
  when
• 16:24
  it
• 16:25
  happens.