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9-29 H3: Gene Steratore Joins & More on Jerry Dipoto · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: former NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Official Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 1: Brought to you by the Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment
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  Speaker 1: capital of the Northwest. Now, the official perspective of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Chuck in the Morning with Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we love this segment, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: We also have loving Chris Kidd back. And let me guess, Anders,
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  Speaker 3: on the text line, a lot of people love that
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  Speaker 3: Kidd's back and a lot of people don't like my
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  Speaker 3: Jerry DiPoto takes this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I think you are dead on on both of those.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll get back to Jerry coming up here at
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  Speaker 3: 8.30 here this morning. But, of course, 8 o'clock on
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  Speaker 3: Tuesdays belong to CBS rules analyst and the greatest NFL
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  Speaker 3: official of all time, Gene Steratore, is with us.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Gene. Good morning, Chuck. How are you?
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  Speaker 5: I can't confirm that last ruling, Chuck. I can't fully
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  Speaker 5: confirm that. I like listening to you. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 5: still looking at it, but I'll let you.
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  Speaker 4: Know here in a little while.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good, good.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you'll have the final word, I promise. Play stands.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe not confirm, but play stands as of now.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to stay with the stands on it, Chris.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with you, buddy. All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, most important business, I threw out there
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  Speaker 3: last segment that my guess is that you have a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful singing voice.
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  Speaker 2: Am I right about that or am I wrong about that?
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  Speaker 5: You know, there was a time I thought that I
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  Speaker 5: had a little bit of a voice and, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Father Time does more things than just.
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  Speaker 4: Physically take you down.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the vocal cords begin to get challenged over
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  Speaker 5: the course of time.
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  Speaker 4: I like the way I sound, but.
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  Speaker 5: I'm also hard of, you know, a little hearing compromised
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  Speaker 5: now too, Chuck. So, you know, I think it's probably
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  Speaker 5: more of a personal thing now, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Dean Martin, is that like, can you nail some Dean Martin?
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  Speaker 5: Hey, man, listen, I'm in Pittsburgh, PA. Steubenville, Ohio is
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  Speaker 5: a stone's throw away. So we were Dean Martin, Perry
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  Speaker 5: Fomo was born and raised. My father, late father was
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  Speaker 5: in the army with Bobby Vinton. So, you know, those
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  Speaker 5: are some old names for some of the younger viewers,
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  Speaker 5: but Hey, listen, that's what Google search is about guys.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's pretty good music and maybe we'll go
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  Speaker 5: back there someday.
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  Speaker 2: Chris and Anders are like, what are you guys talking about?
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  Speaker 4: That is gibberish.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, we've got a lot of ground to cover.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: I want to start with Monday Night Football last night
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  Speaker 3: because there was a moment in this game where, number one,
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts gets hit.
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  Speaker 2: Out of bounds, but there was also a holding penalty.
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  Speaker 3: I might argue that if defensive players are clever enough,
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  Speaker 3: if they think that that penalty, knowing that it's going
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  Speaker 3: to offset, man, I got a free shot here at
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  Speaker 3: a quarterback out of bounds because a holding penalty and
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  Speaker 3: a flagrant foul offset in the National Football League, even
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  Speaker 3: though the sentences are supposed to be different sentences.
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  Speaker 2: And much harsher, but they just automatically offset.
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  Speaker 3: So he sort of gets a free hit. Then Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Hurts is told, you got to go to the tent,
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  Speaker 3: even though he doesn't want to.
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  Speaker 2: And then while he's in.
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  Speaker 3: The tent, peeking out, trying to get back on the field,
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  Speaker 3: Andy Dalton comes in and throws an interception. And I
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  Speaker 3: know the Bears won by 20, but you know how
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  Speaker 3: sports work. Maybe it's a completely different game if the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles punch that in with their starting quarterback under center.
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  Speaker 3: So I just want you to take me through that
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  Speaker 3: entire exchange and get your thoughts on what happened there
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  Speaker 3: and whether the Eagles have a big-time gripe here on
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  Speaker 3: their hands.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, from a penalty perspective, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 5: that the players would be aware of what that flag
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  Speaker 5: was for immediately, especially if it's a hold. And in
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  Speaker 5: the NFL, as you said, enforcing fouls is different than college.
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  Speaker 5: In college, there was a live ball foul followed by
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  Speaker 5: a dead ball foul. The college application of those, they
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  Speaker 5: enforce both of those, the live ball foul first and
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  Speaker 5: then followed by the dead ball foul. But the NFL
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  Speaker 5: has so many layers to that, Chuck. Like if it
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  Speaker 5: were offside or illegal formation on the offense, which is
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  Speaker 5: a five-yard simple five, we call those in the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: followed by a 15-yard foul. There's a different enforcement of
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  Speaker 5: that where you ignore the five-yard foul because it's just
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  Speaker 5: a simple five and not a 10-yard or 15-yard foul.
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  Speaker 5: You ignore that simple five into.
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  Speaker 4: The 15 and you would penalize it. So I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: that they would be able to process that much. I
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  Speaker 5: have a tough time processing that, quite frankly, sometimes to
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  Speaker 5: see that there'd be the shot there. Then I think
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  Speaker 5: you get into this other element too, right, where Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Hurts is kind of going out of bounds, but also
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  Speaker 5: that line, the game marker.
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  Speaker 4: Is right there.
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  Speaker 5: So a first down is right on this step that occurs, right?
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  Speaker 5: And I just think really a piece of the foot,
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  Speaker 5: quite honestly, gets in the white as he gets hit
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  Speaker 5: or right after, right before he gets.
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  Speaker 4: Hit, which is a really tough play to officiate.
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  Speaker 5: Quite frankly, I know the hit is extremely aggressive, right?
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  Speaker 5: It's a big time hit, but you've got a big
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  Speaker 5: quarterback trying to get a first down there.
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  Speaker 4: And he's going to take a shot at it. And
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  Speaker 4: he does. Now, I'm not questioning the foul.
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  Speaker 5: And in the NFL, which I think is a good
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  Speaker 5: thing with enhanced technology, they can see that the foot
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  Speaker 5: hit the white.
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  Speaker 4: Prior to him being hit.
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  Speaker 5: So by rule and by the use of replay technology,
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  Speaker 5: if they had to assist there, if they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: It is a foul.
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  Speaker 5: So it's there, but it's close, right? So there's a
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  Speaker 5: piece there from an officiating standpoint. I can almost see
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  Speaker 5: the officials look at that play and think, man, there's
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  Speaker 5: no foul.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know it's a big hit. So now Sean.
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  Speaker 5: Hockney says, I don't think that the network broadcast got
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  Speaker 5: his announcement.
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  Speaker 4: I could hear it. I'm always listening.
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  Speaker 5: If I hear an official start to speak, even though
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  Speaker 5: it's not on the air. And I think Sean said
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  Speaker 5: it last night rather quickly, because he's pretty good on
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  Speaker 5: the mic and likes to do a little.
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  Speaker 4: Play by play himself at times.
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  Speaker 5: That, you know, the quarterback was not being attended to
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  Speaker 5: a trainer over there due to injury. So he could
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  Speaker 5: participate in the next play. He kind of said that
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  Speaker 5: in the interim. Now, after he makes that announcement, it
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  Speaker 5: was on the field and, We all know that love
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  Speaker 5: the NFL. There's what they call the ATC spotter, a
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  Speaker 5: medical personnel upstairs in a press box with binoculars looking
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  Speaker 5: at players all over the field on every play that
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  Speaker 5: may have taken a big hit or by their behavior
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  Speaker 5: look like they may be rattled or potentially concussed.
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  Speaker 4: Evidently, that is what occurred because Jalen.
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  Speaker 5: Got back on the field, the huddle was taking place,
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  Speaker 5: and then you see Sean Hockley come in, stop the
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  Speaker 5: game because he got information in his ear that the
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  Speaker 5: ATC spotter has recognized that they want to take him out. Now, look,
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  Speaker 5: I get there's frustration, and I understand it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: players want to play, right? And coaches want to win,
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  Speaker 5: and we don't, and missing.
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  Speaker 4: A quarterback at any given time for.
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  Speaker 5: One snap, two snaps, quite frankly can change the entire
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  Speaker 5: game and impact.
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  Speaker 4: And I think last night was that example.
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  Speaker 5: But we have to lean to the protocol of safety
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  Speaker 5: for these athletes, even though an unfortunate impacting decision potentially
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  Speaker 5: was made.
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  Speaker 4: And they, all these.
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  Speaker 5: Decisions were quite frankly, better than than the fact that
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  Speaker 5: they called a pass play with andy dalton on the
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  Speaker 5: second play to throw a football when they were two
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  Speaker 5: yards away from a touchdown you know i mean there's
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  Speaker 5: another couple layers to it but i think all of
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  Speaker 5: the things that occurred as frustrating as they may be
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  Speaker 5: for certain fans and at times uh quite frankly i
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  Speaker 5: just think they're for the right.
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  Speaker 3: Reasons quickly sirianni could have called a timeout right and
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  Speaker 3: bought his quarterback time to get back into the game.
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  Speaker 4: I think he could extend it there.
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  Speaker 5: I think the little nuance there that I don't think officials,
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  Speaker 5: I know we did it. I was on the field,
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  Speaker 5: although that's been a while now. He could have extended
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  Speaker 5: some of that time, but it's still the clearance and
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  Speaker 5: how long that's going to take, right? For them to
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  Speaker 5: then look at someone, come to Sirianni or that staff
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  Speaker 5: and say.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, he's been cleared out. He can reenter the game.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, to answer your question, can you extend it?
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  Speaker 5: For a little bit of time and hope that TV
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  Speaker 5: is ready for a commercial break so your timeout wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a 30-second timeout, but more of a two-and-a-half-minute timeout. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think they could have, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: it would have served them anyway.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Gene Steratore is with us, CBS rules analyst. We get
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  Speaker 3: the chance to chat with him every Tuesday at 8 o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the Seahawks-Commanders game. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that there was some play that stood out that
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  Speaker 3: changed the game, but I'm wondering, and maybe an official
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  Speaker 3: takes offense to this, did we see a classic makeup
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  Speaker 3: call situation here where there was at 14-19 of the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, there was a flag that went against the
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  Speaker 3: Commanders on a hit out of bounds of Rashid Shaheed,
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  Speaker 3: which I think was the wrong call, and the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: benefited from it. And then just a few seconds later,
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  Speaker 3: like less than a minute later, the Seahawks got hit
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  Speaker 3: with a 15-yard penalty that also looked like the wrong
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  Speaker 3: call against our guy, A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Finley. Do officials, do.
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  Speaker 3: You take offense when we believe in the stands that
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  Speaker 3: that's a make-up call? Did you see it? What did
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  Speaker 3: you see of the penalties? And then number two, is
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  Speaker 3: there such a thing as a make-up call by officials?
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me say this humbly and.
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  Speaker 5: Hopefully respectfully officials don't really care what fans think about
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  Speaker 5: their calls because every time an.
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  Speaker 4: Official makes a decision more than.
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  Speaker 5: Likely, although maybe, maybe not in the stadium, they have
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  Speaker 5: upset half of somebody, right?
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  Speaker 4: It's provided that the fans are evenly distributed.
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  Speaker 5: So the, the, the, The liberation feeling of an official
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  Speaker 5: to know that we can make any decision we think
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  Speaker 5: is right because we're going to upset half of the people.
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  Speaker 4: It is a quite liberating thing.
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  Speaker 5: So, no, the fans, I don't think, ever weigh in
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  Speaker 5: on that. So that would hopefully dismiss the makeup situation
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  Speaker 5: even in that two wrongs don't make a right if
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  Speaker 5: you missed it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, both of these players.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, I think if you do go back and look
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  Speaker 5: at them frame by frame, um, if I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 5: I think they were both kind of past.
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  Speaker 4: Play situation hits, right?
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  Speaker 5: So when you have these situations, I think as fans,
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  Speaker 5: probably the best piece of this from an information standpoint
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  Speaker 5: is understand that as the pass is either coming to
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  Speaker 5: that receiver or even right after that receiver has possessed
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  Speaker 5: the football, that receiver by his definition still in that
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  Speaker 5: moment is a defenseless player. Defenseless players carry certain parameters
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  Speaker 5: of what you can and cannot do to them.
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  Speaker 4: And now you have these really aggressive hits.
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  Speaker 5: And that first hit on the sideline, watch the defensive
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  Speaker 5: back if you watch the play again, leave his feet
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  Speaker 5: and basically halfway launch now toward the upper body or
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  Speaker 5: toward the head, neck region.
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  Speaker 4: Of that receiver right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: We look back and we frame by frame it.
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  Speaker 5: Does he make his initial contact at the, at the
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  Speaker 5: collarbone area and not in the neck? And are we
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  Speaker 5: looking at an index card level kind of difference between
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  Speaker 5: whether it was in the neck or whether it was
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  Speaker 5: in just the top of the chest, maybe real time.
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  Speaker 5: You see a head snapback, you see a defensive back
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  Speaker 5: launch like that and go up to the head neck
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  Speaker 5: area and see that kind of contact. More times than not,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to probably see a flag because it's a
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  Speaker 5: safety issue.
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  Speaker 4: The league does not.
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  Speaker 5: Like that technique anyway, and they want them to lower
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  Speaker 5: their target areas and quite frankly.
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  Speaker 4: Get their heads out of there.
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  Speaker 5: Not that they use their head here either, because he
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  Speaker 5: did kind of use a good shoulder, but it was high.
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  Speaker 5: So dissecting it, maybe he's a fraction of an inch
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  Speaker 5: below the neck, but it's really tight.
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  Speaker 4: So then when you kind of look at the next
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  Speaker 4: play over the middle kind of shot, right?
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  Speaker 5: Most falls in that same category, Chuck, where you have
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  Speaker 5: a receiver who is in times that understand there may
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  Speaker 5: be times when the receiver possesses a football, takes a
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  Speaker 5: step and maybe even two steps that are pretty quick
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  Speaker 5: that look a lot slower.
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  Speaker 4: And when we slow them.
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  Speaker 5: Down frame by frame and I go on to review them,
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  Speaker 5: but in real time, the receiver, even though may have
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  Speaker 5: finished the possession of the, of the football and taken
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  Speaker 5: two steps, The definition in the NFL rulebook is that
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  Speaker 5: player has to have enough time to have.
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  Speaker 4: An act where he could protect himself.
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  Speaker 5: So there's even another little extended fraction of a second
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  Speaker 5: after possession and two feet where this receiver may have
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  Speaker 5: not had time to get himself prepared.
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  Speaker 4: For that kind of contact.
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  Speaker 5: All of those elements I just laid out to you
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  Speaker 5: continuously make that receiver a defenseless player, which does not
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  Speaker 5: allow hits to his head and neck area.
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  Speaker 4: So as we watch both of them.
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  Speaker 5: And dissect them, we might even agree to say, look,
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  Speaker 5: both of those hits are just below.
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  Speaker 4: The neck, Gene. They're really not head and neck hits.
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  Speaker 4: These are NFL players that put it right on that line.
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  Speaker 5: And I wouldn't disagree if the video would show it
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  Speaker 5: exactly that way.
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  Speaker 4: But you've got to go back.
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  Speaker 5: Down on the field, guys, and understand these are blur plays, man.
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  Speaker 5: And you're up in that area with someone launching. There's
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  Speaker 5: a really good chance you're going to see that type
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  Speaker 5: of a flag thrown because. the league really doesn't like
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  Speaker 5: the technique and, uh, and officials have to work that
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  Speaker 5: play real fast. So I think that's why both of
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  Speaker 5: those flags came out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That makes, uh, that makes sense. Believe it or not.
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  Speaker 2: You've again, once again, Gene, my.
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  Speaker 5: Goodness gracious, I even filibustered it and I really still
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  Speaker 5: stuck it through.
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  Speaker 4: At the end. It was the plunge. I got it
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  Speaker 4: over the line. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: You got the ball inside the cone. Yeah. Good job.
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  Speaker 2: Nice work. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Hit the pile on the cone. We'll go with the cone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we're parking cars. Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, get it in there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about maybe the most controversial play of the weekend,
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  Speaker 3: which happened on Sunday night. We're actually going to play
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  Speaker 3: the highlight of this to remind people of the Rams-Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: Was it a P.I.? Was it an interception?
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  Speaker 4: Ready?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good.
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  Speaker 5: Knicks in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Just gets rid of it. Oh, that contact to the side.
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  Speaker 2: Breaks the flag. He was getting rid of that ball.
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  Speaker 4: Cam Curl.
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  Speaker 2: Contacts him. All right, thanks to... NBC on the call there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just trying to add a little extra flair to
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  Speaker 3: the already great Gene Steratore segment. Look like the right
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  Speaker 3: call in real time after review. It looked to me
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  Speaker 3: and others like a clean interception. Obviously a huge call,
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  Speaker 3: no flag, and the Rams might win that game.
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  Speaker 2: What was your interpretation?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's pass interference. And look, these are
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  Speaker 4: fast plays. Like you said, maybe in real time we
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  Speaker 4: look and go, okay, yep, I see it. And then
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  Speaker 4: we slow this thing down and.
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  Speaker 5: We go, okay, show me where– that all, any of
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  Speaker 5: those actions, offensive or defensive actions, because there are hands
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  Speaker 5: by both players. And there's a little bit of pushing.
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  Speaker 4: There's a little bit of holding.
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  Speaker 5: There's a little bit of a snuggle. There's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of little bits of a lot of things there. Right.
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  Speaker 5: But listen, this is where officials have to take their time,
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  Speaker 5: which means a breath of a second or two digest
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  Speaker 5: the totality of these very quick plays and And then
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  Speaker 5: really make a big decision.
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  Speaker 4: And quite frankly, when you reach for your flag in.
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  Speaker 5: The National Football League or in any sport, truthfully, the
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  Speaker 5: reason you're reaching for your flag is because you just
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  Speaker 5: did what I said and you digested it.
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  Speaker 4: And something of.
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  Speaker 5: Those elements I mentioned that there were little bits of
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  Speaker 5: became more than little bits of. No, they became something
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  Speaker 5: that materially did affect this play. And now I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to reach for my flag and put it on the
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: ground and I'm going to interject myself.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Look, in these levels, in my opinion, I was raised
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: and taught football and basketball. If we're going to err,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: there were errors of omission and not commission.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: If I look at a play like that and I see, man,
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: there's a little.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Of this, a little of that and a little of this.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: There's not a lot of anything. Leave it alone. Now,
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: if the film shows that one of.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Those little bits became a lot, I would prefer to
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: miss the play. No, and I didn't see the bigger piece.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and then just got fooled by maybe a little more
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: extension to hard plays but quite frankly that's why you're
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: at this level now you've got to breathe through these
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: plays and you have to digest the plays and then
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: when you really look at it from a 300 level
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: of officiating the deep official throws his flag on this
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: play there's an official in front of that play that
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: we see on our screen if we watch it that
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: turns and transitions to working that sideline and also that
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: play Because officials start each play working a certain player
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: or two players. And we go from what's called your
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: man to a zone area to the ball. And that's
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: your normal transition through a play if you're an official.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: So when you go from man and now your man's
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: not the person that becomes primary, you break out into
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: a zoned area to try to see more than one
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: person potentially in that area. And then when the football
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: gets in the air and if it's coming near you,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: then you become primary on where that football is taking you.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: So now you have an official from behind throwing his flag,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: an official standing and looking at it from the front
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: end and seeing similar action. This is where officiating goes
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: to the best level you can have. And that is
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: when that other official that didn't throw his flag this
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: conversation for 30 seconds with the one who did and
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: slows that official down and says, look at me now,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: trust me, walk.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Me through what you just dissected here. Why did you
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: throw the flag?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: And if that deep official would tell that other one, look,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I had him grabbing the back of his shirt or
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: something and pulling him back. Then the official in the
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: front goes, great, because I can't weigh.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: In on that one with you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I can't add anything. But if he says, I think
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of separation there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I think he grabbed an arm.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: And this other official is looking at what he's telling
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: him or she's telling him and saying, there's nothing there
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: that reaches to the level of a foul. Then hopefully
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: what you do is have that conference, which is great
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: in real time to slow.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: The calling official down.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Let's revisit it, guys.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: We've got a minute or so here.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And then let's hopefully come to a resolution here, right?
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot of layers. It's a really hard play.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: It's a fast play. It's one of the best interceptions
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I think I've seen in years. and it didn't get
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: to them, right? So not an easy play. I think
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: if they had the luxury I have and could look
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: at it in slow motion, they would think differently as well.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: but a game impactful play too, which is why we
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: talk about it on Tuesdays. Right.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Uh, I got a couple more I want to get to, but, uh,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously we're, we're up against the clock. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to skip those because I promised
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: that we would talk about a really positive call every single.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Week with you.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Um, and, and, and look that in the Ravens Cowboys game,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: it was like really hectic down toward the end. And, uh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: An official, in my opinion, isn't just responsible for making
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: calls on plays. I think they're also shepherds to get
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the game organized, make sure that the players are deciding
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: it in the allotted time that they are given. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I think that maybe we saw an example of that
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: in the Ravens-Cowboys game, John Hussey making sure that the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: players had the opportunity to decide that very close game.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: How did you see that?
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: When you speak like this, I know again, and I
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: said it last week, we're going to say it again.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: The jersey that you put on is, osmosis has taken place.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: You have become that official, Chuck. Look, I don't know
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: what to say here. I'm going to get on a plane.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: We're going to have dinner tonight. I'm buying too, but. Listen,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: what you just said warms my heart because, yes, we
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: have to rule on plays. A play calling is a
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: very large and important part of officiating. Managing games and
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: intensity is another very few. element in officiating a football
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: game and enhancing your level of awareness to what I
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: used to say. I play chess when I ref. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: don't play checkers. I have to be two steps ahead
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: of everything that's happening out there mentally, constantly.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: That means time and score. That means down and distance.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: That means all the intangibles that, quite frankly, the general
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: public may not see until it becomes that moment. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: have to be there before it happens or at least
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: prepped for that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: In this situation, you said it. Look, you watch.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: We all watched those last seconds. Everyone's chaotic as heck, right?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Everyone's running around trying to get set. All the things
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: that take place. That's when officials and a referee takes
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: this play.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: It takes it over.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: And now my awareness is telling me there's six seconds
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: left in this game.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: The clock is running. Baltimore has a timeout.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: If this pass is a pass that's completed or this
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: play ends in bounds, the first thing that should happen
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: right after this play, if they're on their level of awareness,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: they should be. If someone's going to be calling timeout,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: you hope every official on the field is thinking that
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: because it could come from the coach on the sideline.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: In this case, John Hussey is there. He is doing
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: what you do at this level. Lamar Jackson completes a
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: play downfield. It's 25 yards away. Hussey is trying to
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: look at that player, at least decide when that player
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: is down, if he can see that player.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And the moment that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: That player is down, if Lamar Jackson turns around and
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: calls timeout right now, That second.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Is the game, literally, right? And he's on it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: And you can see Jackson on the replay because it
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: was our game. Turn immediately as he was watching the
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: player go down and is already saying timeout, maybe even
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: before the player's down. So Hussey does know one thing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: As soon as that player's down, Baltimore has a timeout
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: and I'm giving it to them. So all of that
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: took place immediately.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Smoothly.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: And we watch him then make that quick announcement that yes,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: the player is down. Baltimore has been awarded a timeout
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and yes, there is one second left in this football game.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Now go ahead and let replay God dissect when he's
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: down and all that good stuff. But I took care
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: of it in real time. because I was ready for that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: That to me, those are gold stars, man. And for
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: you to recognize this, Chuck, and bring this out here
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: on a beautiful Tuesday morning, I don't know what to say.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I'm bowing in my living room as.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: We speak right now to you for being this 300
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: level official. And I think I'm coming out of retirement, Chuck.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: And you got to be on the field with me.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I'll do it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I'll do it. I could use a good job.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I like our little addition that we've added.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is really rounding into an award-winning radio
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: segment here.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So thank you, sir. We appreciate it. We'll bug you
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: again next.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Week, all right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You got it. Thanks, Chuck. Have a great week, guys.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Gene Steratore, CBS rules analyst, greatest NFL official of all time,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: joins us.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Every Tuesday at 8 o'clock. Good stuff from him.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to do Jerry DiPoto for the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: rest of the hour. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: All right, I ran a little late here this morning.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Because just so much to do, so much to discuss.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: It is a Kraken Ticket Tuesday. I should take a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: second to remind you of that. Be listening for that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: audio sounder. Not right now, not because I'm telling you
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: about it, but we'll play a piece of audio that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: will prompt you to be a caller at 206-286-9595. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: then if you're the 10th caller, you're going to win
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a pair of tickets to not just any old Kraken game,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: but to the home opener on October 4th against the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Calgary Flames.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: It's Chuck.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It's Anders. It's Chris Kidd. Yes, he's back with us.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Chuck in the mornings.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: This is the trio going forward here on your morning
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: commute on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. And Chris has
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: landed smack dab in the middle of a.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Big, giant Jerry DiPoto conversation.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: His press conference yesterday was getting really good marks from
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of his own critics,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: for how contrite he was, how he explained things yesterday.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: humbled himself in front of everyone, and also I thought
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: had some outstanding answers and some outstanding information and gave
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a good defense of himself and the organization in its
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: current state, things that we haven't even gotten into yet
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: this morning. But Anders and I had a conversation for
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: about a half hour earlier in the show. Um, we've
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: tried to find, uh, every hole in the show that
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: we can to discuss this. And obviously I'm going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: be a little more in defense of Jerry than what
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: most people, I think that my reputation precedes me on
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: this given topic. Not that I haven't been critical and
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I've been critical this morning. Um, but the text lines
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: blowing up, I'm sure it's all people telling us we're
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: crazy for wanting Jerry to podo. Do we even consider
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: keeping Jerry DiPoto? Anders, what's the gist? Because I haven't
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: seen the text line, but I'm guessing we're getting hammered.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: A couple of good points from texters here that I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: curious on your thoughts. Here's one from one of our
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: listeners here. It's not whether or not Jerry has done
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: a decent job up to this point. It's whether or
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: not he is the right guy to take this team
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: to the next level, be a serious contender, get the
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: right guys in here and coaches and players.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't have the answer. It's
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the reason why I've said if you let him go,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: you let him go. He hasn't proven he can be
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a champion. And for a long time, he was stopping
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: short of doing things that make you a champion. It
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: seems like we have dealt with a lot of Jerry DePoto.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Learning how to be a leader on the fly.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And maybe we should have had somebody that was a
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: little more complete than him running this operation.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: I think he's really good at a lot of things.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: I think he's really good at a lot of personnel things.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: I think he's terrific at drafting. I think he's... Terrific
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: at identifying pitchers. I think he's terrific at hiring staff
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: at all levels that develop players the right way. I
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: think he gets creative with his trades at times, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: they don't all work, but he's had some that work.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: People don't give him any credit for those that have worked.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: I think that he has to get creative because of
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: the payroll limitations that he's under as well. So I
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: think he does a lot of things good. I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: from a personnel standpoint, he does a lot of things good.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: From a leadership standpoint, I don't think so. I don't
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: think that he quite grasps how to build a culture.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: I think he was way.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Too involved in the offense for way too long, trying
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to put his stamp on everything so that he got
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: a little share of the credit when credit was given out.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that was a mistake. And I think
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: he backed off of that too, Anders. I think that
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: two years ago he said, okay.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I can't find an offensive guy. I'm just going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: hand it off to Seitzer and Edgar. And if we
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: can't hit, then I don't know what else to do.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And then you did for a year and then didn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: last year. I think his admission yesterday about our culture
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and lack of accountability is a complete indictment of the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: decision that he made to hire dan wilson and this
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: coaching staff and a staff that wasn't on a day-to-day
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: basis keeping players accountable and what is jerry's role in
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: that does he interfere in something he said he wasn't
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: going to interfere in midway through the season well somebody
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: needed to and if not him who so i think
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of leadership elements of jerry that
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: he's tried to correct as we've gone he used to
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: never trade a player for a rental guy it's true
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And yet we traded for two of them a year
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: ago and almost went to the World Series because he
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: let down his guard a little bit. He fell in
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: love with too many of his prospects over the last decade.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: He started to let that go. You saw that in
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the Brendan Donovan trade. So I think there are a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: lot of good things, but one thing that you have
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: had to live with as a Mariner fan is I
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: think a really good personnel man who on the fly
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: over 11 years is trying to figure out how to
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: be a leader of an organization, and I still don't
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: think he's completely there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: It's interesting because as you describe that, his skill set
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: almost lends itself more to the specific general manager role
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: instead of being the kind of leader from the top
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: down sort of role, which is, I think if, if
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: that were the case, if he had someone to maybe
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: just be the more, Hey, I'm going to set the tone,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: you know, put all the external pieces together. You just
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: worry about the roster itself. I think that'd be a
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: really good spot for him to be in, but he
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: is the president as of this time.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And, and has shown flaws and, And I think that
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: this is it. I mean, I know people have heard
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: this before, but this has to be it. He is saying,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: he told us yesterday, our team should have made the playoffs.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: That's what he said yesterday.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: We believe in the players that we put on the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: field this year, and for various reasons that he himself
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: taking responsibility for, we did not get the result we
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: think we should have gotten. So if you hire a
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: new manager with a new outlook and you get the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: exact same result, he has to go. So does Justin,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: because now two years of it, you know you don't
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: have the right player. But I think what really does
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: frustrate me and the Mariners is how many outspoken fans,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: whether on social media or sports talk radio or whatever
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the case might be, who act like this is the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: worst organization in the sport. when they've had five straight
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: winning seasons, two playoff trips in the last four years,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: nearly made it to the World Series just one year ago,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and had their best team on paper this year, according
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: to nearly every expert that you should respect his opinion,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and yet finished 10 games below. 500. Well, we'll find
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: out next season whether or not you have flawed input
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: together this roster or if you had the wrong manager
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: leading the squad because you make it to the playoffs,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: you win the division next year, you be a championship
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: contender next year, or all heads should roll.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I completely agree. And just to kind of jump
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: on that, One more text here. Everyone says, just get in.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: So shouldn't Jerry be evaluated on playoff appearances and not
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: winning seasons?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: It's all about winning a championship.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: The only reason I'm bringing that up is because... People
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: act like it's the worst organization in the sport.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Which it isn't.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: No, it's not.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Five straight winning seasons suggests that you're doing some things right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Are you doing everything right? No.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, you would be making the playoffs more consistently. Otherwise,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: you'd be punching through and winning a championship. Yeah, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: have detailed four years on Stove with you and on
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: this show with Bucky. I'm not sure he knows how
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: to push it over the top. But he has been
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: doing things recently to correct some of that. Trading for
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: players who are rentals that might be the difference is
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: one example of that. And getting a little more aggressive
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: with his prospects to bring in veterans who can help
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: us win now.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: We had.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: a productive offseason. We re-signed Josh Naylor, which everybody wanted
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: to do. We traded for Brendan Donovan, who was really
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: good when he was available. But it's not Jerry's fault
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: that he was only available for 39 frickin' games. The
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Nederlander of... american baseball brendan donovan oh my god you
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: know uh and so um i i think he has
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: course and this is his last chance this is the
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: last chance can you identify a manager with experience that
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: knows how to take them the rest of the way
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: because we're not going to allow you to blame a
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: manager again all.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Right is that fair that's completely fair last chance yeah
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: all right more on this coming up next sports radio
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: 93.3 kjrfm.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And this conversation, by the way, is going to.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Go on all week long.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: We're going to do Mirror Mirror on it tomorrow.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Ryan Healy will join us for one last time at
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: nine o'clock tomorrow. So we'll continue to talk about the
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Jerry DePoto situation, the next manager, all of that sort
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: of thing right here on Chuck in the Morning. So
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: we're a long way away from being done with this conversation.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: It's just time doesn't always permit to cover everything. But
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I do want to cover the portion of the the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: next manager that Jerry DiPoto is going to hire.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think that.
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  Speaker 3: He needs to be experienced to some degree, because I
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: don't want that being an excuse heading into next year.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: He made clear, and I hope that everybody heard it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: is that the next manager, just as all of his
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: managers have had autonomy on lineup decisions and on in-game decisions,
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  Speaker 3: they always have, and the next one's going to as well.
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  Speaker 3: So let us please clear that up, Anders. once and
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  Speaker 3: for all for everybody else that has invented this narrative,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: but because it represents what you feel is going on
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, even though you don't cover the team
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: on a daily basis. And the three human beings on
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: planet earth that do Adam Jude, Ryan Divish, and Daniel
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Kramer that aren't employed by the Mariners have all said
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and reported that the Dan Wilson has had autonomy over
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  Speaker 3: his lineup decisions and in-game decisions. They've just been bad.
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  Speaker 3: The lineups haven't been terrible. The in-game decisions have been terrible.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for a lot of people, the thought
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: process was that, you know, Jerry was making all the
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: decisions for Dan. He was just a puppet, right? And
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: that couldn't be anything further from the truth. It's actually
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: quite the opposite. Dan supposedly wouldn't take the job unless
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: he had full autonomy to make his own decisions. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: that's why we saw such a different strategy play out
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  Speaker 6: in game with Dan Wilson than we did with Scott Service, because...
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: It makes a difference.
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  Speaker 2: Who's manager?
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  Speaker 6: It's not just the front office making every decision and
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: the manager's vibes police.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: There's more than that. That is a big part of
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: the role, obviously. You want to make sure you have
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: a pulse on the clubhouse and all that stuff.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But it is not.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: like, yes, there is strategy involved with the front office
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: from the top down, as we talked about earlier, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: managers make decisions. And that has been the case from
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: the beginning.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, and also you are not going to find any manager.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: That's not going to use analytics. You are not going
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to find an organization in major league baseball that doesn't
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: have an analytics team. You're not going to find one
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: organization in the sport that doesn't have pamphlets or you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: a book on the opponent that day, the starting pitcher
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that day, the potential relief pitchers, the matchups that look favorable.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And then it's Dan's decision to take that information and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: do with it what he will. He might take the
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: advice of his analytics team.
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  Speaker 4: Or he might not.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Or of a Jerry DiPoto or a Justin Hollander. Adam wrote,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Adam Jude wrote that there have been moments during the season,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: which I think is well within the rights of a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: general manager to say, hey, I'd like to see this
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: guy play more. Can we get him into the lineup
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: here tonight? I think a general manager or a president
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: of baseball operations has every right to suggest something or
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: strongly suggest something, and the manager might heed that request.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: But, as he said yesterday and has made clear over
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and over, the manager, since he's come over, has had
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: autonomy on lineup decisions and in-game decisions. Certainly, conversations are
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: held behind the scenes that might change a manager's mind
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: on how he dealt with something the night before or
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: going forward. That absolutely has occurred and will continue to
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: occur just as it does in every front office in
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Major League Baseball in the year 2026.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're still getting... people that say they don't
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: believe that. They think Jerry makes every decision.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Jerry also hired Dan.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It was not ownership, which is another false narrative that
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: has floated around out there. I have that from on high.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: He clarified that yesterday as well. If Jerry DePoto has
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: a problem in press conferences is that sometimes he's way
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: too honest and it gets him into trouble. But those
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: are things that I have heard reported. Those are things
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: that have been substantiated. I've asked Dan Wilson off the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: air if he makes the lineup.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what more you need to hear.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: You just want to believe it because anything anti-Jerry, for you,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: an anti-Jerry person, you want as many logs on that
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: fire as you can possibly gather. You want as many
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: logs in your arms as you can carry to create
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: that roaring fire, and you will pick them from anywhere.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: You'll make them up if you have to. And when
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you hear someone else who's made them up, you'll use.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It in your argument. Yeah, but here's the thing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: I think there are plenty of arguments that are valid
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: for the anti-Jerry thought process.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Those just aren't the right ones.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: It's just not the right ones. I want to say
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: another thing.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: For everybody that hammered them for, how could you make
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson do a press conference by himself?
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I've never seen this before. You're right. That doesn't happen.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: People that get fired in whatever world, usually there's somebody
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: standing by your desk with a box waiting for you
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: to clear out things and they walk you to your car.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: It's humiliating. I've been through it before. It's a humiliating process.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Managers aren't allowed to hold a press conference by themselves
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: in most organizations once they've been let go. And if
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: they were to be allowed a press conference, you better
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: believe general manager and president are sitting right next to
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: them just in case manager decides to go rogue and
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: try to throw the organization under the bus. Dan Wilson
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: held that press conference because Dan Wilson wanted to have
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that press conference because he wrote some statements out. He
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: knew he was going to be fired that day. He
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: wanted to manage the game the way he wanted to
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: manage his last game, which included JP getting a walk-off,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Logan getting a walk-off, Randy getting a walk-off.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He got to manage it the last way.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: And then he was allowed because of the respect for
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: him to hold a press conference by himself to announce
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: that he wasn't going to be back. That's not allowed.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Nobody in baseball does that. And people acted like they
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: did it as punishment to Dan Wilson. They waited till
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Sunday morning because they wanted Rick Riz to have his
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Saturday night. And then on Sunday morning, they wanted Dan
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to be able to manage his last game the way
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: he wanted to. And then Dan wanted to have a
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: press conference to announce to everyone, I am leaving and
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I would like to thank some people. Now, he did
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: not thank Jerry and Justin, which might speak volumes. But
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: believe me, that was out of respect for Dan to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: give him that moment. And Dan asked for that because
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: he wanted to be able to say goodbye on his terms.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: I would not be surprised if it was an agreement like, hey,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: or like the Mariners came to Dan's like, hey, we
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: respect you a lot. You're one of our legends. We're
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: going to let you kind of go out on your terms.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: You can either go out quietly and not say anything
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: and just kind of right off into the sunset or.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You can kind of get out in front of it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Say good.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Say your goodbyes. Do what you want to do. I
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: would not be surprised if they gave him the option.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: And that is what Dan Wilson chose.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't fit the narrative to hate everything Mariners related.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, I hate everything they do.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron Levine has been one of the strongest
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: critics against the Mariners over the last 10 years. He's
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: gained quite a reputation for it. Even he reported yesterday.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. That was Dan's idea.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Okay? So, you know, there.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Are just some things that don't conveniently fit the anti-Mariner
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: everything truth that you've arrived at, but you're wrong about
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of these things. Some of the things you're
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: right about, there's a lot to criticize.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: But everything, all the time, everything that they do is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the worst. They're unserious.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: No, you're just trying to find things that fit your
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: narrative because you've gone way out on the ledge on it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, Rick Neuheisel joins us. Sports
• 40:44
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