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What tier are the Vikings in going into 2024? Should they trade Justin Jefferson? | TSH Ep. 42 · The Skol Hop

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All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of the Goolhop.
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I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa.
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We like drinking beer talking about the Viking. Yeah, we just dove right
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into this. I love it. I'm so excited. It's gonna be a
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good one. Yeah, so I brought the beer today. It might just
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be a regular thing from now on until, like enough people tell us to
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stop doing it. We're gonna keep doing the mystery beers. I think this
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is the fifth version of the mystery beer? Is that right? At this
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specifically foil wrapped mystery beers. I think it's fun. And even if people
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don't like it, you know what, let's skip past this part. We
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don't have enough listeners to have to pander to anybody yet. So if you
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want us to change something, share us out and then get all your friends
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to try to get us to change something. But until then, just enjoy
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what we give you. Well, we'll get to the mystery beer here in
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go, there you go. All right, well let's get into this Mystery
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Beer. So we decided before we hit record that we were going to you
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were going to have me try to guess the style of beer the ABV alcohol
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by volume, which is kind of interesting with beer because there are some that
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are on the lower end of things, like a four or five percent,
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and then there's some that are a little higher, maybe six or seven.
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So there is some very even higher than that. Sometimes, oh yeah,
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depending on it, like a barrel aged stout can get up in the tens
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twelves. So those two things, and then possibly the brewer maybe with some
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help. Yeah yeah, yeah. We've done obviously at least four previous editions
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of the Mystery Beer. But I just figured we thought like it might be
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good to have some kind of criteria, you know, let's see if we
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can measure. Maybe we can keep track, or somebody out there can keep
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track for us. How how right or wrong the guesser is each week.
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So let's dive right into this. Let's open these up and give it us
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your eye. I'm very excited. I can't wait to try this beer.
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I've never had this beer before. It is pretty hazy. Ooh went out
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of the can. All right, what are you noticing so far? It
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is definitely a hazy IPA. I'm I'm ninety nine point nine confident in that.
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Yeah, well, what about the color? What do you see?
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It's hazy. It's not not very transparent, not at all. Can't see
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through it. Yeah, it has a florally citrusy bomb type of I like
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to it that bomb word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a juice
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bomb of a beer. So it's very happy, very florally. And that's
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just the color and that scent leads me to believe it's a hazy ipa.
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Yeah, finally answered. Just a quick little cheesy reminder if you are listening
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and you want to see what the beer looks like, we do put our
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episodes out on YouTube and you can watch it on Spotify as well, So
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check that out. You're missing some stuff if you're not watching us too.
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But yeah, let's uh, you ready to give it a try, Let's
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try it, dude, school school almost forgot it took yep, yeah,
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hazy ipn Okay. It's interesting. It's interesting because I told you this before
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we hit record. I had two Surly furiouses tonight and this is not that
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I can tell you that one because that's not bruden Iowa. First off,
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we wouldn't have that on the podcast. And two, uh, it's just
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a different, different vibe but similar similar. I think this is more fruity
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than that Surly furious. Furious is fantastic. It's one of my favorites.
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I would agree. I'm getting some notes of like pair or apple or something
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like that. I don't know, it's faint, but it's there. Well,
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you nailed the hazy I p A you got that any kind of guess
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on ABV So I looked at the Surly Furious can those were six point seven
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percent. I feel like this is a little less than that. I'm gonna
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say six point five. Oh. I don't know if anybody in the world
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could could notice a point two percent difference, but this one is that your
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official guest six y five? All right. Well again, just like nobody
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could really notice a point two percent difference, I don't know how many people
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would notice a point seven percent difference. This clock's in at a nice even
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six point six point oh, okay, six point oh, but still hefty
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enough to let you know it's there, but also not one that you're concerned
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after one or two. I was correct that it was on the lighter end.
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H all right, brewer, Brewer. This is where you can You
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can ask them like guess who type questions radius from where we live? Is
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it greater than fifty miles? Less than fifty miles? That's a really good
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question, because I do not know exactly where the city. I know the
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city, but I don't know where that is in relation to us. I
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can tell you it is not a local room, okay, So it's not.
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If I had to guess more or less than fifty miles, I'd say
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more. But that's not fair to you because I couldn't point on the map
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the general area of where this is. Okay, So it's from farther away
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some notable name is it. Is it a big name Iowa brewery or is
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it one of the smaller for us. It's recognizable if you're outside of an
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Iowa resident. I don't know. You're kind of hit or miss on if
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you've heard of this. We have had one of their beers on our show
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in the past. One. Let's look at the list then, hm,
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And it's been a minute since we've had one of theirs. May have been
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pre Skull Cave recording studio. Wow, okay, maybe hmmm. Pretty recognizable
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name. Maybe I would say you you would say, yes, it's recognizable
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if you're a listener from Minnesota or outside of Iowa. Maybe not. I
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don't know. Did we have this beer this the last time we had this
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brewery? Was there a guest on our show? I don't believe so no,
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Okay, hmm, I'm gonna go with Peace Tree. Oho, you
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are one hundred percent right. And it was after we moved to the school
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Cave, so this may have been on camera as well. There you go.
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And no, no guest for that one. The episode before this one,
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we did have Dustin Baker, gotcha, Yeah. Peachtree out of Knoxville,
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Iowa. Do you know where Knoxville is. I don't know off the
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top of my head. I should know, sorry, peace Tree, let
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us know where you are. Look it up quick at Knoxville. It you
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were the last one to bring the Peace Tree beer back in December, and
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you brought us the red Rambler, which of course you did. Of course
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I did a red or an amber or anything like that. That's all Evan.
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It's south and east of Des Moines, probably about forty five minutes to
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an hour. All right, pretty close to Pella. Oh nice, okay,
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so sweet, kind of south central Iowa. Yeah, and I would
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have gotten that wrong. I don't know where I would have guessed. I
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thought maybe it was a little closer to Iowa City. But all right,
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any guesses on the name. And this is difficult because if you're not a
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regular, it's Peace Trees Hazy ipa, I can't. I don't know the
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name off the top of my head. All right, let's crack them open.
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Because you nailed it, I'd say you got you're close enough to getting
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all three. Get a little hazy. Oh I crushed my can. So
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yeah, we are having the Peace Tree Brewing Company. Get a little hazy
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Hazy India pale Ale. It's their six percent India pale Ale, their IPA.
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And since it is the first time I'm trying this, I can say
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it's delicious. I like this one a lot, obviously for me. It's
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a home run. And it's the style of beer I love the most.
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It's the type that I love the most. It's delicious, juicy, citrus
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forward. I pa, that's silky smooth without the bitterness. I would agree
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with that. Yeah, that's a spot on description that they've got on their
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can. Yea the furious that I had a little while ago. Just a
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little more in your face, a little more intense, yeah, a little
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a little bolder. Yeah, And I like both. So this is this
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is a good way to end Memorial Day weekend. I like it. Yeah,
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yeah, I thought it was a good one. Glad you like it
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so well. We'll give a better review after we've had a couple more.
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But yeah, let's let's dive in school. School. You want to grab
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a couple more, fill up these glasses. While you're getting those, let's
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kind of get set up here for our first talking point. You found an
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article written by Dustin Baker at Vikings Territory work and the here I'll popsis off,
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all right. The title of the article is four teams similar to the
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twenty twenty four Vikings according to Vegas. Yeah, so this one I think
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he put out I don't know sometime, maybe even today, but sometime in
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the last couple of days. Again, we're recording Monday and Memorial days when
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we're recording. So if you're looking, I don't know when when you're gonna
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listen, but yeah, check out Vikings Territory dot com and search up this
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article and really everything else he's got. But this one seemed kind of interesting
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because you can you can be a diehard fan of a team, and I
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think both die hard fans. It's pretty obvious, and you can even say
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that you're objective and you follow the league as a whole, and you're you
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can honestly say like, yes, my team is really good or mid tier
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really bad. You know, do you I think most people, if they're
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honest, they would say, like, yes, my team really does look
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a certain way. But it's kind of interesting to look at what Vegas has
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the odds for. And in this article, Dustin is listing out teams other
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teams in the league that have similar current odds in Vegas to win the Super
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Bowl this coming year, which I thought at this point as far as we
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go, you know, die hard slash casual fans, people that are listening
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to us, maybe it is nice to get a truly objective look at the
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rest of the league. So yeah, Dustin lists out four other teams that
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have similar odds. Do you recall what the odds are currently for thes So
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the Vikings are currently plus eight thousand, okay, plus eight thousand, and
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you had I'm not the betting person here in this duo. You are,
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so you simplify this for me. You put it into terms that a fifth
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grader could understand. If you bet ten dollars, you would win eight hundred
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dollars. Yep. So if you bet ten dollars right now on the Vikings
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current odds at eight thousand, if they won, the payout would be eight
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hundred and ten dollars because you'd get your money back and then you would you
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would profit eight hundred dollars with those plus eight thousand odds. Yep. And
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so they're currently a one point two to three percent chance that that happens,
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or eighty to one odds yeah, essentially, so that one point two to
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three percent chance or the eighty to one is all just other ways of saying
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very close to that plus eight thousand odds. So usually if a team is
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plus some number to win, it means they're the underdogs, and if a
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team is minus some number to win, then they're the ones to win.
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I haven't looked it up, but I would imagine the Chiefs right now.
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Usually for this kind of a bet, the Super Bowl in May or June,
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everybody is kind of looked at as an underdog because it is so far
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away, and I mean, nobody's a lock to win anything right now.
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But that being said, I would guess the Chiefs are something like plus three
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hundred or something like that to win THEE Is that your guests? Yeah?
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It? Did you look it up? Okay? My official guest is plus
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three hundred. They are plus five fifty. Oh okay, all right,
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and the Niners are close second with plus six hundred. Okay. So the
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Chiefs and the Niners are the current one and two betting odds to win the
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Super Bowl, which makes sense because they're the most recent appearances. They are
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the most recent teams to appear in the Super Bowl. The thing that I
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appreciated about Dustin's article was, and he put this in kind of the opening
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sentence here or opening paragraph, maybe I should say that it's helpful to understand
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what tier the Vikings currently exist in when it comes to all thirty two teams
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in the league. And I kind of envisioned those like kind of those viral
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like tiered lists where you get all the teams listed out kind of horizontally,
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and you've got the S tier and the A and the B and the you
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know, so on and so forth. So this is helpful for that purpose,
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I think. In Unfortunately, the Vikings aren't up there in that S
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tier or A tier. Yep, Vegas is not very confident in the Vikings
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right now, which I mean, as a diehard fan, I'm gonna my
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instinct is going to argue with that. But I also would like to say
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that after a minute and some explanation, I can be talked into the correct
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idea, whatever it is. I will say one big caveat is vague.
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Just like the rest of us, we have no idea how this quarterback situation
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is actually going to pan out this season. We have hopes for this season
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and beyond, but we don't really know, so yeah, we can dive
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into this. So Dustin lists out four other teams that are similar. One
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is slightly better odds than the Vikings to win, but still very close and
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very similar. Those teams are the Cardinals, the Raiders, the Saints,
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and the team that are slightly better but not a whole lot is the Seahawks.
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So are your thoughts about the Cardinals. Are you surprised to see that
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the Vikings are viewed, at least by Vegas as on a similar tier to
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that team a little bit. I thought the Vikings were more successful last year
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than the Cardinals, but then, of course the Cardinals started Josh Dobbs,
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and Dustin lays this out in his article. They started Josh Dobbs for the
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first half of the season on purpose. Yeah, and I think they were
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just kind of waiting for Kyler Murray to get healthy. They were just kind
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of buying their time. And it seems like he's coming back and that'll be
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a good thing for the Cardinals for sure. And they've got Marvin Harrison Junior
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to throw to, which will also be helpful. But Dustin points out in
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the article and I agree with him, it's gonna depend on their defense.
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If their defense shows up, they could be a sneaky wild card. Oh
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yeah, absolutely. But I would also say the same for the Vikings.
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If we can get consistent play from Sam Darnold or JJ whoever, and if
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our defense can really make a difference and not be really good shut out good
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one game and then give up a bunch the next game. You know,
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if they can be consistent game to game and keep that point differential low and
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get some turnovers and all that, then I don't know, I think the
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Vikings could be a sneaky wild card favorite as well. Yeah, so I
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really do, And this will derail it a little bit. I really do
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think the Vikings will overperform. I think. In his article here, Dustin
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says that Vegas has the over under on wins for the Vikings this year somewhere
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around six and a half. Man, I just I'm not going to come
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out here and say, oh, they'll win, you know, fifteen.
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But last week when I was talking to the breakfast ball boys, I think
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breakfast ball boys they do not call themselves. That just came out the guys
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from you vet you in brexfst fall. I predicted a way too early season
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prediction as eleven wins. Wow, and I really think, Man, I
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know I'm a homer. I know that I am full this year. I
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know I wrong with you. I know him a diehard. I know I'm
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a homer. And usually, like you just alluded to, I'm usually the
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doom and gloom, like the one that they'll get sacked on the first play
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of the first game and say season's over. You know, like this is
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ridiculous. You are that person. I can attest to that. I just
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I really think, and we can go over this when we do our season
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game by game predictions. I really think they didn't get objected. They didn't
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get worse really at any position. It's just maybe the quarterback, because you
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know you're going from what you know you have in Kirk to what you have
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no idea. It could be a Pro Bowl type year for Sam Darnold,
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or you know, thirty interceptions between the two quarterbacks. You never know.
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Anyways, Yeah, I think the Cardinals to get back on track here.
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The addition of Murray, who I've never been a huge believer in, but
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the addition of him presumed healthy, ready to go, plus a massive talented
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weapon in Marvin Harrison Junior. Yeah, like Dustin says, if their defense
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holds up, they do look to be a much better team. So I'm
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okay with the Vikings being compared to the Cardinals right now, I'll say I
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think the Vikings are better anyways. So the second team that Dustin talked about
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here was the Raiders. Yeah, and a similar vein to what you were
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just saying. Dustin says here and I quote, the Raiders are really doing
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it bouncing into twenty twenty four with Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell, and that,
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I mean, that is surprising. They had opportunities to go after a
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lot of guys in the draft and the UDFA process, and they still have,
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I would suppose opportunities to go after somebody, but they've passed on notable
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names like Spencer Ratler, Joe Milton, Michael Pratt, like all of those
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guys have just kind of been like, Nope, we're not going that direction.
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We're sticking with Minshew O'Connell. And I'm a teacher, so I kind
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of like once a year or twice a year, depending I get new groups
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of kids. Sure, Yeah, and it's always like a bittersweet thing because
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you're like, you know what you have with the classes that are leaving,
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and you you don't really know what to expect with this this new group.
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And I worked with a teacher once who would always say, like, it's
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tough to let go of those old classes because they're kind of like a used
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car. You just you know the problems that you have with them. You've
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loved this analogy. I love it so much. It's great. It's a
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good one. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, like you know
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the problems. There are problems, and they're sometimes they just suck, but
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you deal with them and you know what you have with them, and that's
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hard to give up sometimes. And maybe that's the route that the Raiders are
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taking. They know what they have with Minshew, they know what they have
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with O'Connell, and they're just gonna roll with those two guys and see what
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happens. I do believe Antonio Pierce, who is definitely a players coach and
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somebody people will fight for and fight with and fight because of. I definitely
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think Antonio Pierce will raise that organization higher than previous head coaches have. But
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I think the Vikings quarter backwise, could be in a very similar position that
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the Raiders have allowed themselves to be in. I mean, what were the
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Raiders picked fourteen or something? They were only a couple back from the Vikings
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in the draft, and I mean I don't think JJ would have lasted another
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couple of picks. Yeah. Sure, Sean Payton is trying to say he
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didn't really want to trade up for JJ or anything, but f that guy.
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Yeah. I don't think the Vikings, if they had the same pick
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that the Raiders ended up with, would have been able to land JJ and
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a top tier defensive player and Dallas Turner in the draft. The Vikings would
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have had to definitely fight scratching Claw a lot more. And who knows,
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maybe the Raiders did and it just didn't work out. I do like Gardner
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minshew, he almost brought the Colts to the playoffs last year. Dude just
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comes in and wins. I think he's a better QB two than Nick Mullens,
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no offense, Nick Mullins. I think he's a really good QB two.
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He's kind of got the like Jeff George vibe, where like he looks
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kind of goofy. Yeah, he's got kind of an odd personality. But
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the difference between Gardner Minshew and Jeff George is he's a heck of a lot
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more accurate and I think a better quarterback. Jeff George was a gunslinger and
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threw a lot of interceptions and it was fun to watch because sometimes he hit
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and sometimes he didn't. Yeah, and you and everything you just said.
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You could have replaced Jeff George's name with Nick Mullins, but you're right,
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And yeah, I think Minshew I probably said it on this podcast before free
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agency really started. I was probably advocating for because I was the one that
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was like, I don't really like a bridge quarterback, but it seems like
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that's what they're gonna do. And Sam Donald, for whatever reason, wasn't
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really on my radar until free agency was about to hit. As of right
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now, I think i'd rather have Sam Donald than Minshew. But if the
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Vikings would have come out and signed Minshew, I probably said it again.
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I would have been all for it. And you, I think would have
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been a good bridge quarterback for the Vikings. But maybe he'll do that for
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the Raiders. Maybe O'Connell will win the job. I assume they're going to
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have a competition. I don't know that they would pencil either of those guys
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in as a QB one right now on questioned. So, yeah, I
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could see the Raiders. They were a tough team. The Vikings narrowly by
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the smallest of margins beat them last season. But yeah, I don't think
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the Raiders did a whole lot to get better other than solidify their head coach
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position. So I don't think they got a lot worse though, either.
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So agreed. Next team the Saints and same odds currently plus eight thousand as
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the Vikings. Another team that's not budging really on that quarterback position. Yeah,
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and I think maybe part of it is just out of obligation to their
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own POC booked they paid the guy they paid Derek Carr. Yeah Andoe.
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Yeah, I forgot how much his contractors were. I just looked it up.
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Derek Carr's contract that he signed prior to last season was for four years
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up to one hundred and fifty million dollars. So that's that's a commitment.
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That's a Kirk Cousins type commitment. I mean, yeah, sure, it's
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thirty million less than the up to for Kirk Cousins. But yeah, the
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Saints are in it for at least one or two more seasons with Derek Carr
26:30
good or bad. Yep. And yeah, he's to me, not the
26:37
not the best quarterback. Dustin says it here. The result was a humongous
26:45
example of mediocrity. Yeah, so I would agree with that, and I'm
26:49
glad the Vikings aren't in that situation. We both expressed prior to Kirk leaving
26:56
that we would have loved to see Kirk Cousins, and I would not have
27:00
been upset with that. And I don't think the Vikings would have been in
27:06
the position that the Saints are in with Kirk. I mean, rolling forward
27:10
with Kirk would have cost a lot, but it would have been a cost
27:14
that was worth paying. Yeah, to have consistency at that quarterback position,
27:18
to have the leadership that comes with Kirk Cousins, to have the toughness that
27:22
comes with Kirk Cousins. Ultimately, he's gone. We can't do anything about
27:30
that. Yeah, we could still a little sad. We could do a
27:32
whole if not a whole podcast, a whole series of podcasts right now on
27:37
the what ifs of Kirk Cousins staying in Minnesota rather than going to Atlanta,
27:41
which that might be a cool like maybe we'll maybe we'll have if there's some
27:45
more dead space in the season, we could have a couple of what if
27:48
episodes. A topic that comes to mind right now for that is what if
27:53
Sam Bradford's nee didn't just get go missing somewhere. But yeah, you're right,
27:57
I mean, I think the Viking would have definitely been leaps and bounds
28:02
ahead of the Saints are right now if Cousins would have signed with the Vikings
28:07
just a few months ago. But I still this one, I still think
28:12
the Vikings are at worse. They're tied with the Saints on level of team.
28:22
You could probably go back and forth position by position, where every team
28:25
might win out on oh yeah, this one has a better this, this
28:27
one has a better that. But yeah, they're the ones to me that
28:32
feel like the Vikings and the Saints feel the most similar, and they're probably
28:36
going to end up with a very similar record barring any injury or anything.
28:40
Crazy side note really quick, because we were talking about Kirk I thowt tweet.
28:45
I think it was today somebody did a just totally ridiculous playoff bracket for
28:52
this coming season, and it had the Vikings beating the Falcons in the NFC
28:59
Championship to go to the Super Bowl. Can you imagine the week leading up
29:06
to that hypothetical NFC Championship game with a JJ McCarthy led Vikings hosting a Kirk
29:17
Cousins led Falcons And I can't, I can't picture. I think Minnesota would
29:23
disintegrate. I just know it would. I don't know what would happen.
29:27
It would be so crazy. We'd get a billion, you know, downloads
29:32
on our podcast that week. Like it would be the story of the tail
29:37
of tape. It would be a story that has been building for years.
29:42
Script writers, if you're listening, put it in there, NFL script we
29:47
know it's out there. We know that you you write these things into the
29:49
season. So there's your storyline right there. I don't want that, don't.
29:56
I don't know that's that Just thinking about that kind of a a thought
30:00
process just makes me uneasy. I don't the Vikings won for the Vikings go
30:04
to the super Bowl. In that scenario, it's Vikings Falcons in the NFC
30:08
Championship game and the Vikings win. Oh, okay, and this was obviously
30:12
made by a Vikings fan because the Vikings going to win the Super Bowl.
30:15
I don't remember who was on the AFC side. I did see a weird
30:18
YouTube video last season where this guy just sat in front of his computer and
30:23
and made the Vikings get the number one seed overall. I don't know,
30:27
maybe you should google the skull hap or something like that. Just google that
30:30
and see if you can find that video. But yeah, people put out
30:33
some crazy stuff and that that video got some videw that. I liked that
30:37
video a lot. You did a good job, that's one of that wasn't
30:41
like a Homer like, No, that was what what would happen? What
30:45
would it take for the Vikings, And at that point it was still very
30:48
much of it was mathematically viable. Yeah, but a lot of people had
30:51
to lose and the Vikings had to win a lot of games, and that
30:53
just didn't happen, especially with our beleaguered quarterback situation. So I just I'm
31:00
feeling anxiety about that hypothetical scenario of the Vikings playing the Falcons in the NFC
31:06
Championship game. I don't want that to happen. I just even how obviously
31:11
if they if that happens and they win, then I'll be super pumped,
31:15
obviously. But man, please don't let them. Please don't let that happen,
31:18
for my heart's sake. All right. The final team that Dustin mentions
31:23
here as being in a similar tier to the Vikings this coming season would be
31:30
the Seattle Seahawks, and he talks about Geno Smith being a question mark and
31:36
can the Seahawks actually win with him under center? The Seahawks did get Sam
31:41
Howell the trade form you, so that's kind of an interesting addition. He
31:45
was pretty decent, I would say in Washington, but of course Washington went
31:51
after Jade and Daniels and and he had some good amount of turnovers. And
31:55
yeah, I don't know, I feel like you can only look so good
31:59
playing for the Commanders, I mean, but but yeah, the Seahawks I
32:06
might have missed if you just said this. They were the one that they
32:08
were slightly better odds at scept plus seventy five hundred to win the Super Bowl,
32:15
which is only slightly better. I mean, you're a ten dollars bet,
32:17
is winning you seven hundred and fifty dollars rather than eight hundred dollars.
32:21
So yeah, I don't know. One point, it's still a less than
32:24
two percent chance probably of winning and than seventy five to one odds. So
32:30
yeah, I don't know. The Seahawks, I might know the least about
32:35
of all these four teams. I know they drafted Byron Murphy the second however
32:40
he wants to go by in the first round, the defensive tackle that I
32:45
would have liked to see in purple. But oh well, they got Dallas
32:47
Turner, so you can only be so upset about that. And other than
32:52
that, I don't know how much better they got. I mean, yeah,
32:57
they have a new coach now because old retired suddenly. So yeah,
33:02
well we'll see. It's all kind of just what's going to happen. So
33:07
Vegas has been known to be wrong, but more often than not, it's
33:09
creepy how right they are. So there are a handful of other teams that
33:15
are kind of in a similar tier based on this draft kings odds that I
33:20
was looking at. Okay, so I'll just list off the other teams that
33:24
are similar to the ones that Dust enlisted in his article. Tell me which
33:29
one stands out to you. So the Seahawks were plus seventy five hundred.
33:32
So are the Bucks Ooh okay, I would have guessed a little bit more
33:37
for the Bucks, but so have I like a little that they would be
33:39
a little bit better, Yes, have a better chance. Yeah, but
33:43
they're currently as of today when I screenshot of this plus seventy five hundred,
33:47
Okay, same as the Seahawks. And then on the other end of things,
33:52
the Commanders plus ten thousand. Okay, which is worse. I mean
33:57
that's that's a good amount of distance. Yeah, but Draft Kings also has
34:00
the Cardinals at plus ten thousand and the Raiders at plus ten thousand. Oh
34:06
so this is a little bit more updated than Dustin's article. Maybe either more
34:09
updated or a different source. Sure, he may have been looking at a
34:13
different book, which that's true. I don't know that he lists out Maybe
34:16
he does, but in his article, I don't know if he'd lists out
34:20
per this sports book. Yeah, I'm not sure, and yeah I'm not
34:25
seeing it, but I could. That could be oversight on my part anyways.
34:30
So, but similar to the Cardinals and the Raiders currently in Draft Kings
34:37
world, the Commanders and the New York Giants. Okay, so you already
34:45
mentioned that the Bucks seemed maybe a little bit better to you than the Seahawks
34:49
even Yeah, I just based off the way they played last year. I
34:53
am a Baker believer. I would have been perfectly fine if the Vikings had
35:00
if things had fallen differently. Obviously this wasn't even close to a possibility.
35:04
But if Baker would have somehow come to Minnesota rather than Kirk, my number
35:09
one was maybe resigned Kirk, but not mortgaged the rest of your future for
35:15
it. And then number two was draft the guy of the future, but
35:19
also not mortgage the future for it. And obviously the second worked out better
35:24
than I think anyone could have imagined so far. Yeah, I would have
35:29
been okay with Baker. He would have been one of my happier things to
35:32
happen, above Gardner Minshew or something like that. So yeah, I think
35:38
the Buccaneers are set up to be a little bit better Mike Evans. They
35:43
locked him down for a little bit longer. They locked down Antowan Winfield Junior
35:46
for quite a bit longer, another handful of years. I think he's the
35:50
highest paid defensive back right now. So yeah, I do believe in the
35:54
Bucks more so than the Seahawks. So just looking at this list before we
36:01
move on, because it's interesting to me. I don't put money on anything
36:07
this way, and so just to think about putting money on these games and
36:12
then think about which teams are currently kind of in the mix is interesting to
36:16
me. I would not put money on the Jets right now. No,
36:20
because yeah, the obviously they have Aaron Rodgers. But I mean, and
36:25
this is blasphemy because Aaron Rodgers, we all know what's gonna happen. He's
36:30
gonna come out if he's healthy, he's gonna throw for ten thousand yards,
36:34
and he's gonna break the record for touchdown pass. His other achilles is gonna
36:37
snap three seconds and the funniest thing ever. But what as Vikings fans,
36:44
what we expect to happen because he's been a packer for so long, is
36:46
that he's just gonna light it up. So if I had to guess for
36:51
him to throw more or less than forty five hundred yards, I'd say definitely
36:57
more. But outside of Aaron Rodgers, I know they have a pretty decent
37:02
defense. I don't know that the Jets are entering team to beat. They
37:07
might be better than the Vikings if everything's healthy and equal. But I don't
37:13
think they're up to Chiefs or Niners level. So DraftKings has them at plus
37:16
two thousand right now, okay, which would put them in the playoffs.
37:21
I think if this kind of if what I'm looking at were like the top,
37:29
well, the team make the playoffs playoffs, right, yeah? They
37:34
would at this rate, and this isn't split out by conference. Ye.
37:38
Sure, it would take me a minute to figure that out, but just
37:43
at a very quick glance, they would be a wild guard team. The
37:46
Jets would be. And I could see that again, I would bet,
37:51
you know, yes or no, if the Jets make the playoffs as of
37:53
right now, I'd put money if I had to, I'd put money on
37:58
yes, they would make the playoffs. But even a healthy Aaron Rodgers,
38:01
I don't think that team is competing for a super Bowl outside of some crazy
38:06
stuff happening. Sure, it's just interesting, you know, It's just interesting
38:10
how these people that are putting money on things kind of shape the the landscape
38:17
of the league before we even play a single game. Yeah, And whether
38:22
you're a better or not, whether you like that. Sports gambling is legal
38:28
in most states or not Vegas. Odds makers know what they're doing because their
38:34
livelihood and their business depends on setting numbers in a way that will entice people
38:40
to bet, you know, one way or another. Like if they have
38:45
a good feeling that the Vikings are gonna win seven games, they're gonna set
38:49
that over under at you know, six and a half games or maybe seven
38:53
and a half games, and they're gonna find that sweet spot. And that's
38:57
what they do for a living, and for the most part, they're really
39:00
good at it. So that's why it's always kind of creepy that, like
39:04
Man Vegas, they seem to know what's happening. They seem to be able
39:08
to predict the future. If they bet the over under for points in a
39:14
game at forty seven points, you better believe it's gonna be right around,
39:17
you know, like twenty to twenty seven as an end score. You know,
39:22
like they know what they're doing. So let's transition here to our next
39:27
talking point here, and let's maybe frame this in light of our most recent
39:34
talking point. What are the betting odds for JJ not JJ McCarthy, but
39:39
Justin Jefferson, the arguably the best wide receiver in the league. Hmm.
39:45
What are the odds that he isn't wearing purple next year? So I don't
39:51
know if that's something you could actually bet out a sports book right now,
39:57
And if it is, I don't know what those odds would be. But
40:00
if I had to guess, I don't think there's any question in twenty twenty
40:05
four, as the way things sit right now, that Justin Jefferson will start
40:09
and end the season as a Minnesota Viking and play normally, you know,
40:15
every game, you know, barring injury, he will have a regular Justin
40:21
Jefferson season, I think, because what you're alluding to is, if you
40:27
google Minnesota Vikings right now and hit that news tab, the first fifty links
40:34
that Google gives you is gonna say something to the tune of the Vikings are
40:39
gonna trade Justin Jefferson, or they tried to trade him in the draft,
40:43
or they tried to trade up for Malik Neighbors, and if they had gotten
40:46
Neighbors, they would have traded Justin Jefferson. Because there's a Charlie Walters article
40:53
tweet quote. I'm not sure, but Charlie Walters said somewhere out there something
41:00
to the tune of that the Vikings wanted to trade up to take LSU wide
41:04
receiver Milik Neighbors in the draft, and if the Vikings had been able to
41:08
do that, that they were willing to trade Justin Jefferson after selecting that player.
41:15
Yeah, there's a quote that there was buzz at the draft time that
41:20
the Vikings wanted to move from number eleven to number five, not to pick
41:22
a quarterback, but to get LSU wide receiver Milik Neighbors, who was picked
41:27
six by the Giants. Had that trade occurred, Jefferson would have been traded,
41:30
Neighbors would have been the number one receiver. Do I think those words
41:37
were never spoken ever? Sure you could get me to believe maybe Quacy in
41:45
some kind of a smoke screen type of way would have tried to flirt out
41:51
like, hey, yeah, we're trying to move up, but really we
41:52
like this Neighbors guy. We were good with sam Donold's we don't want a
41:57
quarterback. I don't think that was ever actual, a factually true statement,
42:02
whether somebody said it or not, which there's no way we'll ever know for
42:07
sure if somebody actually said that, unless recording and video stuff comes out.
42:12
Do you think it was a legit conversation between Quac and koc In, like,
42:17
let's just think theoretically, because again, we'll never know, But do
42:22
you think they thought about Like, Hey, we love JJ a lot.
42:25
He's a great guy. He's been a great player for our team. But
42:30
there is a future out there without him. So in a future without the
42:36
big paycheck that he's due, right, Like, we could open up a
42:39
whole bunch of possibilities if we get a cheap rookie like Neighbors or whoever else,
42:46
right, Marvin Harrison Junior. So there were a lot of options that
42:50
way, right, So I really think, honestly, for every player in
42:54
every position, there's a number. Whether you could be peak career Tom Brady,
43:04
there is a number that the Patriots would have accepted to trade him away
43:07
at. And if there's not a number for a player, then a GM.
43:12
It shouldn't be the GM if you don't have a price, Because if
43:16
somebody comes up and offers you the next thirty first round picks for a guy,
43:22
I don't think that would be approved by the league. But if somebody
43:24
offered you thirty first round picks for a guy, I don't care who it
43:28
is. You're taking that off or somebody. There is a price for everybody,
43:31
and I truly believe for every player, even right now for JJ McCarthy,
43:37
like the Vikings have or at least are willing to think about and name
43:44
a price for every player on their roster, I would bet. And this
43:49
is crazy and conspiracy and would never happen. It's almost not even worth saying.
43:52
I would bet Quazy has a price for what he would trade Kevin O'Connell
43:57
away for, you know what I mean, Like everybody's up for grabs.
44:00
We've seen head coaches traded in the league before. Doesn't happen really ever,
44:05
you could probably count on one hand how many times it's happened. It would
44:07
waste time to try to google it. But like I know, John Gruden
44:10
back in the day was traded from Oakland to Tampa Bay. It happens.
44:15
So if a GM doesn't have a negotiable price for everyone in the organization,
44:25
then that's a misstep and that GM's not doing their job correctly. So do
44:30
I think, yeah, Quazy has a number in his mind right now for
44:32
or a scenario that he would actually be willing to trade JJ for. Yes,
44:37
I'd bet a trillion dollars or Quac knows at least the first step of
44:42
the negotiation. Do I think they were actively trying to make that happen or
44:49
that was their plan A. Maybe that was planned bcdef whatever, But I
44:53
don't think that was plan A. I don't think that was ever something they
44:57
were actively trying to make happen. Well, and you said me the draft
45:00
room war room video that the Vikings put out, Yeah, like a week
45:06
or so ago. A week ago, Yeah, and I was really busy.
45:08
I had a lot of stuff going on, so I didn't have a
45:10
chance to watch her right away, but I watched it recently, and I
45:16
agree with you. I don't. I don't think there was really any other
45:20
plan than to go get JJ as quickly as they could JJ McCarthy that is,
45:24
and then see what else they could do, and when they still had
45:29
that eleventh pick, to go get Dallas Turner like you sorry, yeah,
45:37
the twenty third pick, when they still had that pick and he was still
45:40
there. You saw it on Kevin O'Connell's face in that video. He's just
45:45
kind of really what, Yeah, we got him? No way? So
45:50
yeah, I would agree with you. I think, yeah, there was
45:53
probably a scenario, and there was probably a number, but it was pretty
45:59
far down on the list of possibilities. And that's a like you're throwing a
46:02
hail Mary. Things are not going our way on Draft night and we got
46:07
to do something. Yeah, But I also think the idea of trading justin
46:10
Jefferson, that's not something you do in the heat of draft night. What
46:16
if that's something you're okay with, then you have your plan on Okay,
46:21
if these ten things happen or whatever, if this scenario happens, and also
46:27
we have the ability to make these other things happen after that, then we
46:30
would entertain it. I just out of being a businessman, I don't think
46:35
I think it would be crazy to say these for any GM, for any
46:38
team and any player. Just would never say absolutely not for any player.
46:45
Like the most elite of Pat Mahomes has a number. The Chiefs would accept
46:49
something for Pat Mahomes, you know, Like I don't know what it is,
46:52
and I don't think anybody would be able to afford it, you know,
46:55
but like the Chiefs would accept something like that. There's got to be
47:00
a number, and if they wouldn't, then that GM is not the smartest
47:05
he could be. Let's play pretend here. Let's pretend that we know for
47:13
a fact the Vikings would trade Jefferson. Let's say ESPN is reported QUASI has
47:20
come out and said we're open for business on Justin Jefferson. You know,
47:23
let's enter that make believe world. Let's say why it would make sense,
47:29
and then we can go back and say why it wouldn't make sense. But
47:31
to you, why would it be good for the Vikings to trade away Justin
47:37
Jefferson right now? Well, it would be really hard again to watch another
47:43
really good player leave the Purple and Gold the second time in our lives,
47:47
arguably third, but definitely second, to watch our favorite team trade away the
47:52
best wide receiver in the game. Yes, but the good would be it
47:58
would open up a ton of space in the salary cap down the road.
48:02
Maybe not immediately, because he's really cheap right now as far as a starting
48:07
wide receiver, even not just Pro Bowl like, he's cheap phrase starting wide
48:10
receiver. But correct me if I'm wrong. He still has another year before
48:15
the Vikings have to do anything with his contract, right signing a contract.
48:21
Now, let's say they do that over the summer. This year summer of
48:23
twenty twenty four. That's a move in favor of Justin Jefferson. That's the
48:29
Vikings saying we believe in you, we want you here. If we make
48:34
you the highest paid non quarterback offensive player in the league, it's because we
48:38
want you here, and we want you here for a long time. Something
48:42
they have come out and said they want to do. Correct, It just
48:45
hasn't happened yet. Correct, But they don't have to do that right now.
48:50
They can wait. They can wait until after this season, right I
48:53
think, And I might be wrong, but I'm pretty confident in this.
48:57
He was drafted four years ago. Every rookie who's drafted gets a four year
49:05
contract. First round picks get a team option of a fifth year option.
49:10
Something teams have to say that they're going to pick up I think before the
49:16
player's third year. And obviously the Vikings picked up Justin Jefferson's fifth year option.
49:23
So that would make twenty twenty four the fourth year of his contract and
49:29
twenty twenty five the next season as that fifth year option. And that fifth
49:34
year option is when he starts making pro bowler type money, not even like
49:38
all pro, you know, not top of the top but pro bowler type
49:43
money, yep FU type money. You know, as far as NFL players
49:45
are concerned. So I may be wrong. I don't think I am,
49:51
but I might be. The Vikings hold Jefferson's rights contractually for the next two
49:58
seasons, so for the next what thirty five game? What is seventeen times
50:04
too? This is super easy math show thirty four games. They hold his
50:07
rights. Now, every player has a right to hold out and miss out
50:14
on contract money, or fake an injury or skip voluntary OTAs. You know,
50:22
players have a little bit of tactics in what they're able to do.
50:25
However, so last season, Justin Jefferson he did skip the voluntary OTAs.
50:31
So far, we're in like week two or week three tomorrow. You know,
50:36
by the time you're listening to this, the Vikings will have started another
50:38
week of voluntary offense or what organized team activity yp so as of that.
50:45
Right now, these are all voluntary things. There might be some players who
50:50
have some contractual boosters built into their contract to show up for workout, workouts
50:54
and stuff, which would be these voluntary times. But I don't know if
50:58
Justin does. He hasn't been. Last year he hasn't been so far this
51:01
year to these voluntary portions. However, last year he showed up first day
51:07
of the mandatory team activities training camp and everything, and the first day,
51:12
you know, stood out and answered questions. I watched the Vikings video of
51:15
people interviewing him outside after practice, being very open, very honest. Justin,
51:22
Jefferson and the Vikings. Neither of them has said or done anything to
51:28
make anyone think there's some ill will or that a deal might not get done.
51:32
The only thing is that, literally a deal hasn't been done yet.
51:37
So that's the only thing. And I wouldn't say the only thing, because
51:42
I think one of the biggest things Justin has been waiting for is what will
51:45
the Vikings do at quarterback. Maybe what we don't know is how he feels
51:51
about JJ McCarthy and how quickly yet how he feels about Sam Darnold, And
51:55
we may never know how he personally feels. He may have a really good
52:00
script that he's gonna fire out there whenever there's a microphone in front of his
52:05
face and he's giving those public remarks. But that was the storyline all season
52:13
last year. Yeah, he feel about Kirk leaving is he going to leave
52:15
at Kirk leaves? Yeah, that all of that well, and even before
52:19
Kirk left, it was the writing was kind of on the wall that Kirk
52:22
would maybe leave, especially when Kirk went down and was out for the rest
52:25
of the season, and during that time, JJ every chance he got would
52:31
almost go out of his way to say, I love Kirk, Kirk is
52:34
my man. He put the top ten chain around his neck, which I
52:37
chalk that up to one, he really does like Kirk Cousins and really likes
52:43
him as the guy throwing him passes. And two JJ, who he's proven
52:47
this outside of Kirk is a good teammate and a good Viking, So he's
52:52
just he's a good dude. So all of that mixed together, that's why
52:57
we're seeing, Oh, does he love Kirk so much that he wouldn't want
52:59
to be on on the Vikings without him? I don't. I think that's
53:01
a little far fetched, but I don't know. It could be could be
53:05
their truth. Speaking speaking of far fetched, this may be really far fetched.
53:07
But I just have the thought while we were talking all of this out,
53:10
is there a hypothetical because we just got done saying everybody has a number
53:15
Every team has a number, Every player has a number. Do you think
53:19
the Falcons have a number for jj Do you think the Falcons are like,
53:23
well, yeah, if the Vikings would give him up for this? Yeah,
53:28
I think that's the flip side. Everybody has a number for what they
53:30
they would take for one of their players. They probably have a number for
53:35
maybe not for every player in the whole league, but they probably have a
53:37
number for what they would at least start off the conversation with for any other
53:42
you know, decent, big name player. That's why these teams scout everybody
53:45
so much, whether or not they're going to draft them or sign them,
53:47
because you never know, three years down the line, maybe you need a
53:51
quarterback and Josh Dobbs is available. What information do we have on him?
53:53
Oh we liked him, Can we back it up see if that's true false
53:57
now or whatever? So yeah, I would imagine the Falcons, just like
54:00
any other team, has an idea of what they would enter the conversation with
54:05
for Justin Jefferson, Whether the Vikings would ever even pick up the phone,
54:09
which they should, because you should pick up the phone for anybody because you
54:14
never know. Could be thirty first round picks. It's always worth a conversation.
54:16
Absolutely. At worst, you can just say Nope, not interesting,
54:20
to move on, because as far as I know, there's nothing against like
54:23
gms talking to other gms about players on their own rosters. Now, obviously,
54:29
if a coach comes in a press conference and says, yeah, that
54:32
guy on that other team, I really want him, Like, I don't
54:36
know what they're doing on the front office end, but I want him on
54:38
our Like that would break some rules, Like that would be crazy. I
54:43
really just wanted to drop in another Moneyball quote, but I'm gonna refrain from
54:47
that. That's all right. Anytime we talk about gms and trades, that
54:51
movie just like flashes right to the front of my brain. So we've gone
54:57
down a really long rabbit trail from the original question, which was what are
55:00
the pros to letting JJ go? So just kind of restart your answer there.
55:07
Yeah, so I initially said, and I stick to it, would
55:10
open up a lot of room in the cap for the vikings in the future.
55:15
Not necessarily right now, because as we established, he's cheap, he's
55:20
we think probably on his fourth year rookie deal, and they exercised the fifth
55:27
year on his rookie deal. So he's a Viking for this year and next
55:30
year unless something dramatic happens. So, but beyond that fifth year of next
55:37
season, the twenty twenty five twenty sixth season, I think it opens up
55:44
a lot of possibilities that the Vikings won't be on the hook for a thirty
55:47
five plus million dollar a year, most expensive non quarterback offensive player in the
55:54
league type of player. Which opens up options in free agency, It opens
56:00
up options in the drafts, it opens up opportunities to trade. There's a
56:07
lot of things there that are good. If JJ, Justin Jefferson that is,
56:12
is not a Viking. So that's my big kind of takeaway. If
56:17
he's not, it would be hard for me to see him play for another
56:21
team. But absolutely so, my pros are probably going to be exactly what
56:24
you just said. It would be a historical haul. Think what the Vikings
56:29
gave up in the early nineties for herschel Walker. The Vikings would receive,
56:34
Yeah, maybe it wouldn't be thirty first round picks that it probably wouldn't even
56:38
be three first round picks, but it might be two plus. You're looking
56:42
at it from a starter, You're looking at it from the opposite side,
56:45
what do the Vikings get if he's not there? And I'm looking at what
56:47
what do the Vikings like? What aren't the Vikings on the hook for if
56:52
he's not there? But yeah, I mean so that's what they're not on
56:55
the hook for, is an option or something to think about. But they
56:59
would also so it's not like his contract would run out right, so they
57:04
would get a hall for him. They would be very well set up,
57:08
have at least two more first round picks in the future, plus probably some
57:14
other picks, plus maybe a starting level player or two. It would be
57:17
a nice a nice haul for him, and like you said, he would
57:23
save future cap space. I would argue that, but it sounds like next
57:29
season the Vikings are set up a year from now to have a pretty decent
57:32
amount of cap space, which again if you sign if you sign Justin Jefferson,
57:37
that amount of cap space available it goes down. But you also have
57:42
Justin Jefferson locked up long term, so there's give and take there. And
57:46
I guess if Justin Jefferson did leave, it would open the door on the
57:52
field for other players to get more opportunities. So you'd probably see Jordan Addison
57:59
what he could do as an one. In the theoretical scenario where Justin Jefferson's
58:02
traded, the Vikings would do a lot to draft Marvin Harrison Junior or Molik
58:08
Neighbors to type top of the draft wide receiver in the next draft after they
58:15
traded him, so you would see some exciting younger guys. JJ is still
58:20
pretty young right now, what is he twenty three, twenty four? He's
58:22
still super young and Aiden TJ. Hoginson the logo he would get more options
58:31
as a receiver, but when healthy he still gets plenty. That's kind of
58:37
it for for pros. For me, like you'd get a lot of capital,
58:40
you wouldn't be on the hook for a bunch, and then other guys
58:44
could step in to fill that role. But pro or a con, what
58:50
do you think the cons would be? I mean, obviously you're giving up
58:52
one of the most talented players in the league. I mean he led the
58:57
league not last year because he was injured for part of the season, but
59:01
two years ago he led the league in receptions and yards and yards per game
59:07
on average, and he got the how I can't think of the word.
59:14
So the MVP is basically just become who's the best quarterback? He got the
59:19
best non quarterback player in the league award as the Offensive Player of the Year.
59:23
Anyways, well, he was fifth in the MVP voting. He was
59:29
the ap Offensive Player of the Year and a Pro bowler, like he had
59:32
a ton of accolades two years ago in addition to leading the league in all
59:39
of the key receiving stats. Pretty much, So that's what you're giving up.
59:45
You're giving up arguably when he's healthy and ready to go and has a
59:49
good quarterback throwing the ball to him, you've got the league's best receiver,
59:52
that's for sure. Commodity, yes, yes, yeah, so that's that's
1:00:00
tough to get rid of, right, Like, it's tough to walk away
1:00:05
from that, so absolutely, And it's tough to bet on what you could
1:00:10
get in return for him, and tough to bet on the players that could
1:00:15
possibly fill that role, Like you mentioned Hockinson and Addison, Like, yeah,
1:00:20
sure they're great players, but can they be league leaders? Can they?
1:00:24
And not even that? Like those things don't matter, right Ultimately,
1:00:30
if you don't make the playoffs and don't get to a super Bowl, the
1:00:32
only thing that matters is super Bowl wins. Absolutely. So yeah, I'm
1:00:36
famous for saying that I don't care about anything wins and super Bowls. You
1:00:39
could have a roster full of players that don't lead the league in anything but
1:00:45
get you to a super Bowl and that's what matters the most. Absolutely.
1:00:49
So there is this kind of give and take, and that's it makes being
1:00:54
a GM these days so challenging because there is such a wealth of information out
1:01:00
there, and like you mentioned a little bit ago, like teams probably have
1:01:06
these just full profiles on these guys, like almost every guy in the league,
1:01:10
and there's got to be a database more than Pro Football Reference that we
1:01:15
look at as fans who are cheap and don't even want to pay for anything
1:01:21
more than this. I will say, if you know what you're doing on
1:01:24
Pro Football Focus and you look at the players the Vikings drafted the last really
1:01:31
two drafts, if you look at those two things and think Quasi doesn't have
1:01:37
the highest tier Pro Football Focus membership and pays attention to it, then you're
1:01:43
dead wrong because he definitely does because all those players are high tier, so
1:01:46
who they are and where they're drafted and everything like that. Anyway, Sorry,
1:01:51
I absolutely think that analytics plays a huge role in how these gms make
1:01:58
their decisions, and they have to write because at the end of the day,
1:02:00
their jobs are did you make the best possible decision with the information that
1:02:06
you were given? And I'm gonna quote Moneyball here. I'm never gonna have
1:02:10
to I'm never gonna tell you no do it. But in the movie,
1:02:14
I bring this one up all the time. And you know, you sit
1:02:19
in those living rooms and you tell those parents when it comes to your son,
1:02:22
I know, and you don't. You don't write like that's being a
1:02:28
GM in the days of old, and that's not being a GM today in
1:02:32
twenty twenty four when we even us fans casual we sit here and drink beer
1:02:40
and talk about sports for an hour once a week and publish a podcast about
1:02:45
it. Like we can see some pretty in depth analysis into the on field
1:02:52
production for these players. We do need to make a correction. JJ's going
1:02:57
into his fifth season. Oh okay played four years. Oh I guess I
1:03:02
looked over he was drafted in twenty twenty, so then it starts at twenty
1:03:07
twenty one. So I looked over the twenty twenty year, So twenty twenty
1:03:10
four, we'll yeah, you're right, so yes, So he has played
1:03:15
four complete seasons. He was drafted in the spring of twenty twenty and then
1:03:19
he played his first game in the fall of twenty twenty. That's why we
1:03:22
need Jimmy the Stacker stack gack Jimmy. I need the stats on JJ's contract.
1:03:27
Thanks anyways, But all of that to say, and that's just a
1:03:31
minor correction to make sure that we're on the record as being yep up to
1:03:37
day and correct all of that to say, like even we have access to
1:03:42
this and of course GM for what we would say is a top tier NFL
1:03:49
franchis Vegas doesn't agree, but screw Vegas. Of course, Quacy's going to
1:03:53
have the top subscription to every and maybe the NFL gifts all thirty two gms
1:04:01
with like, hey, we'll give you every single thing. We have to
1:04:04
make it a level playing field. I don't know. These gms probably have.
1:04:10
So if the highest level of subscription for PFF was like if they called
1:04:15
it Premiere, I don't know what they call it, but if they called
1:04:17
it premiere, these NFL gms they probably get like super ultra elite Premiere,
1:04:24
and the coaches might only get like ultra elite, but the GMS they get
1:04:28
super ultra, you know, and we get the standard. I will see
1:04:32
exactly, so I will say it's not It is a huge correction that he's
1:04:38
already played four seasons because he's going into his fifth year. This is his
1:04:42
year where he's making starter good player money and the Vikings technically only have his
1:04:48
rights for this coming season twenty twenty four season. However, the franchise tag
1:04:54
exists and they could tag him for the twenty five season, which would be
1:04:59
a very defensive tag at that point. If you're going to tag that guy,
1:05:02
just sign him and pay a little bit more per year just to lock
1:05:08
him down. But I mean Kirk Cousins with Washington, they tagged him twice,
1:05:13
so that's something that could happen now. Tagged players they can just not
1:05:18
show up without any penalty whatsoever until like week ten. So that that would
1:05:25
suck. We saw, and if that's something that a player has in their
1:05:31
pocket. I touted JJ as being a very good guy, not a locker
1:05:36
room cancer, good for the community, good for everybody, says all the
1:05:40
right things. If he gets tagged and he didn't show up until week ten.
1:05:44
I wouldn't fault him because I also say these players should fight for every
1:05:47
dime they can get in their playing years, especially a historical player that JJ
1:05:54
is on track to be coming like he needs to fight for every dime he
1:05:57
can get. It will suck if that means his fight means somebody else other
1:06:01
than the Vikings pays him those dollars. But I think the Vikings will.
1:06:06
Were you good on cons? Did you have any more cons? For sure?
1:06:11
For keeping Jefferson? All right, so I'll just go through my list
1:06:15
just because I wrote him down cons Obviously you be getting rid of one of
1:06:19
the best players in the league, not just the best wide receiver, but
1:06:23
one of the best players somebody the league puts out there as a marketing icon.
1:06:29
Even if you got the next if you got five first round picks,
1:06:32
which that they wouldn't get that for anybody. But even if you got that,
1:06:36
how often do we see first round picks bust out? I mean,
1:06:40
if you got five Laqwan Treadwells, like that's as good as giving Justin Jefferson
1:06:45
away for free, Like you're not. First round picks are not guaranteed to
1:06:50
be good. JJ McCarthy included, Dallas Turner included, Caleb Williams included.
1:06:56
Nobody's guaranteed to turn out to be a good player. That's why the term
1:06:59
bust exists, and the Vikings have had their fair share of bus So you're
1:07:02
not guaranteed to get requisite value if you trade him away. JJ. I've
1:07:09
said it a few times now. It's not like he's a locker room cancer.
1:07:12
He's not a Stefan Diggs with his hood up covering his face, trying
1:07:17
to pretend he's sick or something because he's upset with how many targets he's getting.
1:07:24
JJ has only ever been a positive outside in the public presence in the
1:07:31
media. We've never heard Justin Jefferson actually hates Kirk Cousins. We've never heard
1:07:39
anything bad. I think the only negative thing we can ever point to is
1:07:44
one time, like three years ago, towards the end of a game,
1:07:47
it may have been a critical point in a game, Kirk held onto the
1:07:51
ball for just a second too long and he like overthrew Jefferson or through to
1:07:56
somebody other than Jefferson, and it happened to be a game that Jefferson was
1:08:00
miked up, and you could hear something like throw the f and ball or
1:08:03
throw the ball Kirk, or something like. You could hear something like that,
1:08:08
and that's in the heat of a play, and he may have already
1:08:12
addressed that in the past, it was years ago. That's the only thing
1:08:15
we can think of. That's like, oh, maybe Jefferson doesn't love Kirk.
1:08:18
Jefferson has gone out of his way to be a good teammate, at
1:08:23
least publicly. We can never know what these guys are like behind closed doors.
1:08:28
But I feel like if he was an awful person, even if it
1:08:31
was perfect in public and awful behind closers, we would hear about it,
1:08:35
right, You would hear like, yeah, this dude is tough to work
1:08:39
with. We've never heard anything bad about him. So he's not a locker
1:08:42
room cancer, not a community cancer. I mean just last year, right
1:08:46
before he came back from injury, he was at like a Toys for Tots
1:08:49
event and one of the kids was like, are you playing this week?
1:08:53
And he was like, oh, yeah, for sure, Like I'll be
1:08:55
there. It's like he's he's a good dude, or at least knows what
1:08:58
to do and say. There's already a lot of cap space next season they're
1:09:03
coming. And yes, like I said earlier, if you signed JJ,
1:09:06
that takes up we need to figure out what we're gonna do as far as
1:09:11
the term JJ. So maybe we just need to make it a point to
1:09:15
just say Jefferson rather than JJ. That's hard though, because no, Justin
1:09:19
has been JJ since he landed in Minnesota, at least to us. But
1:09:25
apparently when he talked to JJ McCarthy, he told McCarthy like, no,
1:09:30
it's all it's all good. I go by jettas or whatever. So like,
1:09:33
I don't know, maybe we're the only you know, the fans are
1:09:35
the only ones that call him JJ, but we've been doing it for four
1:09:39
years now. So but if you sign Justin Jefferson, that eats into that
1:09:45
cap space. But that's what it's there for, Like, yeah, you
1:09:47
have this space to be able to fill a roster, and some of these
1:09:51
players cost more because they're really good, like Justin Jefferson, So I'm not
1:09:58
worried about him taking up a lot of cap space. He's going to speaking
1:10:00
speaking of the cost, and maybe this is kind of how we end our
1:10:05
discussion around this particular issue. You are interacting or at least mentioned Layton Klodik
1:10:15
on Twitter. Oh here today, go follow that guy. What's his what's
1:10:17
his handle? L G l O d e K. He puts great stuff
1:10:24
on Twitter, on TikTok, maybe on Instagram. He puts out great,
1:10:28
great, great Vikings content videos. It's awesome. Anyways, keep going,
1:10:32
He's worth a follow. We'll we'll mention him down below in the description as
1:10:36
well. We'll make sure to do that. But he made an interesting comment.
1:10:42
He had a thread of things going on Twitter about the Justin Jefferson situation
1:10:47
and all this kind of hoopla around his is Justin Jefferson gonna leave the Vikings?
1:10:51
Are they going to trade him? Blah blah blah, because yeah,
1:10:56
it is kind of a click baity issue. But he seemed to have a
1:11:00
very level headed approach, and that's where you kind of interacted with him and
1:11:03
just kind of thanked him for like, yeah, thanks for actually just giving
1:11:08
us the news and not just like the click baity thing that gets everybody all
1:11:14
riled up. Yeah, but he made an interesting comment. He said Jefferson
1:11:17
and his team are likely awaiting Ceedee Lamb and his contract with the Cowboys to
1:11:24
kind of see how that all shakes out before the Vikings and Justin Jefferson signed
1:11:30
their agreement, because it's it's kind of widely known because he's so good and
1:11:33
because he's arguably the best. And I think we looked at the stats kind
1:11:38
of head to head between Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson before we started recording.
1:11:44
It's kind of Justin Jefferson and then everyone else. I mean, yeah,
1:11:47
but Ceedee Lamb is right next to him receiving stat wise, Yes, Ceede
1:11:53
Lamb and Justin Jefferson are very part as far as they're receiving stats. Lamb.
1:11:58
I mean, if you were a die hard Cowboys fan talking to me,
1:12:01
a die hard Vikings fan, if you were trying to say, just
1:12:04
off Stants alone, Lamb is a better player overall. I mean, if
1:12:09
I was just looking at numbers, it'd be hard for me to just straight
1:12:12
up argue because Lamb he does get He sprinkles in a little bit of the
1:12:15
rushing game, a little bit. I mean once he got forty two attempts
1:12:19
in his four years, so I mean your tore ten attempts a year,
1:12:26
So obviously he has more than Jefferson, who has what ten rushing attempt twelve.
1:12:30
Yeah, and Lamb does flash a little bit more, or at least
1:12:34
has in his career in the returning game kicking punt returns, I don't know
1:12:39
how much lately. And then of course the Cowboys Vikings head to head since
1:12:44
they both enter the league Lamb. The Vikings haven't beat the Cowboys since since
1:12:49
Jefferson entered the league. But I still don't think there's much of an argument
1:12:54
that Jefferson is the best wide receiver in the league right now. So JJ
1:12:59
is better in terms of yards total yards it's five eight and ninety nine for
1:13:05
Justin Jefferson and five thousand, one hundred and forty five for CD Lamb,
1:13:11
and reception yards per reception. JJ has fifteen yards per catch, whereas CD
1:13:19
only has thirteen. And then in terms of fantasy points, which I mean,
1:13:26
that's that's a thing. I mean the thing. It's it's a measurable
1:13:30
thing. It's account of like yards, catches, touchdowns. I mean,
1:13:34
it's like a total sum of every boiling things down to one number. JJ
1:13:39
gets that as well at seven eighty three, whereas CD Lamb's at seven sixty,
1:13:44
so still really close. Like, yes, JJ comes out on top.
1:13:48
Again, if you want to throw in the returning and the rushing stuff,
1:13:53
sure make some of that just comes down to offensive system exactly like we've
1:13:57
seen JJ rush the ball. It's just he has not asked to a lot,
1:14:00
and thank goodness good and Dallas is maybe giving the ball to some of
1:14:04
their receivers more often than we are in Minnesota, and that's fine. The
1:14:09
other interesting thing to note is CD's got six more games on Justin Jefferson and
1:14:15
that's due to injury. He sat out for six games, and I wouldn't
1:14:17
I don't think we're even close to saying JJ, Justin Jefferson is injury prone
1:14:23
yet. Now, if he has another six to seven games stretch this year
1:14:27
where he has a hamstring injury or something, that's going to be the talk
1:14:30
of Jefferson's career too, like, oh, is he an injury prone guy?
1:14:33
Yeah, I think it's too early. But again, to get back
1:14:36
to your point, Layton does point out something I hadn't thought of before,
1:14:40
and maybe it's common knowledge. I don't know. The Vikings might just be
1:14:43
waiting and JJ or Justin Jefferson might be content waiting to see what Cede Lamb
1:14:47
gets because obviously Jefferson is better and should get more. How embarrassed would Jefferson's
1:14:56
agent be, and for all I know they're the same person, But how
1:15:00
embarrassed wul Jefferson's agent be if cdlam ended up getting like five million more a
1:15:04
year than Justin Jefferson when it all shaped out. Yeah, I don't know.
1:15:10
So it could just be a waiting game, and it's something that doesn't
1:15:12
happen to have to happen this second. But I'd be a lot more comfortable
1:15:17
if it happened sooner rather than later. Yeah, it would be nice to
1:15:21
just get that resolved and get rid of these click baity headlines and all of
1:15:29
the like, oh did you hear what happened to Justin Jefferson? No,
1:15:32
nothing's happened with him. Yeah, like we calmed down, sim it down.
1:15:35
But yeah, uh to your point, Leaton, glo dec I'm sorry
1:15:40
if I'm not saying that name right. Solid, solid, solid social media
1:15:45
follow puts out really good content, especially on TikTok even not just specifically vikings,
1:15:49
but some good entertaining voiceover content with some video and stuff. But yeah,
1:15:56
I really appreciated his level headed, common sense tweet thread of tweets about
1:16:01
like, hey guys, this I mean Jefferson, It's okay, he's not
1:16:05
getting traded. Don't worry at least not right now. Like we don't have
1:16:09
to freak out because there's some clickbaity headline going around. It will be interesting
1:16:14
to see how that all kind of shakes out in the off season. And
1:16:16
I wouldn't put it past the Vikings to make a splash or two. In
1:16:21
addition to that, I think that will be a splash in and of its
1:16:26
own. Whether they choose to do that this offseason or wait until next off
1:16:30
season, I think they have the team has the right to wait until next
1:16:35
offseason. That'll be cutting it a little close. I mean that would be
1:16:39
that would be the line, like, right, he's not no longer under
1:16:43
contract as of what March, you know, So, yeah, that would
1:16:48
be interesting to see, But it would be nice if they just took care
1:16:53
of that, moved on one way or the other. Right, Just yep,
1:16:57
we're rolling with this guy. He's gonna be Viking for a while or
1:17:01
best of luck, we're gonna find someone else. Yeah. To kind of
1:17:05
go with a little bit of the theme of one of our segments today.
1:17:09
If I was betting, you know, by kickoff against the New York Giants
1:17:14
week one for the Vikings, if I was betting yes or no, if
1:17:17
the Vikings had a long term contract with JJ or Justin Jefferson. I'm gonna
1:17:25
try to just say Justin Jefferson rather than JJ from now on. And I've
1:17:29
totally messed it up the whole episode, but I would say yes. I'd
1:17:33
bet that yes, they will have a long term contract sign resolved, not
1:17:41
even an issue by the time they kick the ball off against the Giants on
1:17:45
Week one, and that maybe I'm hopeful, Maybe I'm just a hometown you
1:17:49
know home or whatever, but I really think this is too big of a
1:17:55
deal. This is a fireable offense to not get Jefferson re signed. It
1:18:01
should be the only thing Quacy's thinking about right now, after the draft and
1:18:06
everything that should This should be his number one priority, and I think it
1:18:11
is. I would hope it is, too. Yes, I think it
1:18:15
is wise to wait and see what happens with the other wide receivers. Absolutely,
1:18:21
but there there could be and maybe I'm way off in left field on
1:18:27
this, but there could be a small chance that they're waiting like to do
1:18:33
this in the middle of the season and like it's kind of too close though,
1:18:39
revive a little bit of the pr around the Vikings, Like let's say
1:18:43
that the Vikings lose five games in a row. Well, okay, let's
1:18:46
let's push this out and let's see if we can at least get people talking
1:18:49
about us again. And I could see that. I'm hopeful that doesn't happen.
1:18:57
I'm just saying that could be an option, and that could be something
1:18:59
that it at least the team is thinking about. I think Justin Jefferson would
1:19:03
cringe at that thought, like, why are you using me as a pawn
1:19:08
to increase your publicity when we're playing poorly. I'll say this, like I
1:19:15
just said, confidently they'll have a deal signed by the first game of the
1:19:18
season. I'll worry, like I'm not worried until kickoff, kickoff, and
1:19:26
then if they don't have a deal sign, it's like we're in the season.
1:19:29
Like how many times do we hear like a high profile player saying like
1:19:32
I'm just gonna not not negotiate until after the season's over, once you know,
1:19:38
the season starts, because I only want to focus on football, Like
1:19:41
I'll be I won't be worried until then, and then if they enter the
1:19:45
season without a deal signed, then I'll be pretty worried, not like I
1:19:51
don't know, like I'm gonna be actually like almost angry. That that's how
1:19:57
worried. I'd be like probably angry, not just most like I'd be pretty
1:20:00
angry. Yeah, I don't know, it'll it'll get done. That's probably
1:20:04
the biggest storyline for the Vikings from now until the season starts, though,
1:20:08
other than how's JJ look? I mean, that's that's eorthy. That is
1:20:13
well, yeah, that's officially at least Austin's Schoolhopwise, if you hear me
1:20:17
say JJ from now on, without correcting myself, if you hear me say
1:20:20
JJ, I mean JJ McCarthy, now, I might confuse the piss out
1:20:28
of a lot of you talking about JJ's receiving stats this year. No,
1:20:32
I'm gonna try really hard just to say Jefferson until we get something where like
1:20:38
we hear from Justin Jefferson like no, no, no, guys, I
1:20:41
want to I've wanted for years. Everybody call me Jetta's or just call me
1:20:44
Justin or I as a fan on this podcast. If I say JJ,
1:20:48
I mean JJ McCarthy. I mean they're both five syllables. Is it really
1:20:53
that much to just say all five syllables? Our episode, Jefferson, Our
1:20:57
episodes would be way longer than an hour and twenty minutes long. Do you
1:21:02
want to squeeze in this last little segment here? I'll say that for another
1:21:06
time. I'll leave it up to you on air production meeting listeners, we
1:21:10
do have one more segment. It's kind of a you could argue for late
1:21:15
May, early June. It's kind of like a filler. Everybody's kind of
1:21:16
doing this segment. I still like it. I still think it's worth doing.
1:21:20
However, we are planning on having Dustin Baker. We're gonna interview him
1:21:25
this in the next few days to add into next week's episode. I kind
1:21:30
of think this might be a fun one to talk to him about the only
1:21:33
thing he's so good. I'm slightly afraid he will have a full article about
1:21:42
so okay. So the topic is not just surprising vikings cuts, but it
1:21:47
actually lists out five players, and how surprised would we be if player ABC
1:21:53
d Orf gets cut? So I wouldn't put it beast to put an article
1:22:00
out about these specific players and like rank them on surprise level. But I
1:22:05
still kind of think it's worth the gamble. What do you think? I
1:22:09
say, let's wait, okay, maybe maybe Dustin's out there listening, and
1:22:12
it's like, oh, that's a good idea. Oh man, Dustin,
1:22:14
thank you so much. If you're listening, code word cheese pancakes. Just
1:22:17
tell us that word and that'll that'll be the way we know you're listening.
1:22:21
You're not listening, obviously, we're not at high radar. I hate the
1:22:25
fact that you use the word cheese. Come on, man, this is
1:22:28
the Vikings podcast. Dang it. That's just my normal. Like, here's
1:22:31
a here's a code word. Like if you ever, if I ever ask
1:22:34
you, like, hey, just to prove you were paying attention, I
1:22:38
gave you a code word every time, it's cheese pancakes. And I don't
1:22:41
know why it's been that way since college. But yeah, so Dustin,
1:22:44
if you're listening, just give us a code word. I'm gonna embarrass myself
1:22:47
when we talk to you here in the next few days and say hey,
1:22:49
Dustin, what's the code word? And you're gonna be like what, Although
1:22:53
if you say, oh, yeah, the code word's this. Evan and
1:22:56
I are just gonna go nuts. We're gonna light off fireworks and just go
1:23:00
crazy. But yeah, I agree with you. Let's let's save this last
1:23:03
second. We'll save. It's a good one to save. I agree.
1:23:09
Well, what did you think of the Get a Little Hazy from peace Tree?
1:23:14
I would love to get a little more Hazies from peace Tree because this
1:23:17
beer is fantastic. I agree. This was very easy drinking, smooth,
1:23:24
not as intense as the Surly Furious that I had for dinner earlier. And
1:23:30
that's a good beer in its own right, a very notable Minnesota beer in
1:23:33
fact. But oh yeah, absolutely, Surly is a massive Minnesota brewery.
1:23:40
But this is great and I would definitely recommend, especially if you're in the
1:23:45
hazy IPA kind of category. If that's your beer, check out peace Tree.
1:23:50
Absolutely get this. Get a Little Hazy in your fridge. It's a
1:23:54
good one peace Tree. If you are listening, I'm going to Mexico in
1:24:00
within a month. If there's any way that we could work out some way
1:24:04
for me to bring a six pack of this down to Mexico, obviously I
1:24:09
could go to the store and get it myself, but I don't know how
1:24:12
it works. I don't know how it works with flying. I'm gonna google
1:24:15
it. I was thinking about it today because we're gonna record an episode while
1:24:16
I'm down there. I can think of nothing more that i'd like to sit
1:24:20
in the sand with. I'm not a huge reader, but on the beach,
1:24:25
I would read with a book and a glass of get a little hazy
1:24:29
like this seems like the perfect beach beer. It's I would love that.
1:24:34
Maybe I'll have to try to sneak some beer. Sneak it in your suitcase,
1:24:39
wrap it and some socks and underwear or something, and you'll get through
1:24:43
security. I would hate to be imprisoned in Mexican jail or find a trillion
1:24:50
pesos. First listen, I'm on Iowa Beer Only podcast. I had to
1:24:58
stay true to the podcast. But yes, this beer is fantastic. I
1:25:00
would love to this. This is entering the rotation for sure. I like
1:25:04
it's a good one. If you end up in Mexico, though, and
1:25:08
all you've got is like a Corona or a modello, and I have to
1:25:11
drink the Iowa beer. So I did kind of think about this thing that
1:25:14
happened we are in Iowa Beer Podcast. We have never defined tequila rum or
1:25:24
really, if you want to get down to it, soda. But let's
1:25:26
be let's be real here. We've never defined other alcoholic beverages or substances.
1:25:33
So I think maybe I'll just have to put my foot down and say,
1:25:36
you know what, I can't do a beer. I'm not going to do
1:25:39
a modello or anything. I'll have to just do a margarita. You know,
1:25:43
I wouldn't follow you. I like a good corona, I like a
1:25:45
good modello. Yeah, they're good beers. And to be fair, if
1:25:48
you're out there listening, we don't only drink Iowa beer all the time.
1:25:53
We like Iowa beer and we celebrate Iowa beer, and that's why we only
1:25:56
drink it here at this desk on this show, and we'll only ever drink
1:26:00
Iowa beer on this show. That's the just say, and I agreed the
1:26:03
Surly Furious, that's a fantastic beer. I've dude, I'm gonna do it,
1:26:09
and I've done it before on this show, New Glarius, their moon
1:26:14
Man. It might be a perfect beer. And I know, I know,
1:26:17
I know, I know, I know. It's a Scanni beer.
1:26:21
It's good. I would take a spotted Cow any day of the week.
1:26:26
It's good stuff. So I like Moonman too, but spotted Cow is my
1:26:30
thing. Moon Man might be my favorite, it has to. It's in
1:26:32
my top five easily. Yeah, it's a good one. Someday we should
1:26:38
do our top five all time beers. Well man, as far as Iowa
1:26:43
beers are going, this get a little hazy is making a case right now.
1:26:45
It's a good one. So very good one. Peace Tree. We're
1:26:51
getting down to the end of it. Yeah, we got enough for one
1:26:54
more skull. Yeah, all right. It's been a good episode. Agreed.
1:26:58
I've had fun. Agreed, and we've mentioned it a few times,
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1:28:39
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