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The Knicks Have No Excuses, Celtics Collapse & Nuggets Window Closes | 05.04 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Wave.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: a hater. We're going to talk about who's going to
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  Speaker 2: win or who better win the East in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: But first, we're going to talk about who did not
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  Speaker 2: win the East. I know, again, Ryan, this feels like
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  Speaker 2: we societally are just being negative as a culture by
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  Speaker 2: immediately going there. But the Celtics, What a way to
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  Speaker 2: go out.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even go.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I want because this is an EPMD line.
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  Speaker 2: My brothers say all the time, what a way to
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  Speaker 2: go out, out like a sucker. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that they went out like suckers.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That is not fair. They did go out with a
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  Speaker 2: starting lineup that had Rod Harper Jr., Baylor, what's his name?
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  Speaker 2: And did he start Luka Garza?
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  Speaker 5: Luka Garza started.
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  Speaker 1: No, Luka Garza, who is a very.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, he's in the league. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Remember, our question was about whether or not, because he
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  Speaker 2: was such a good college player, as to whether or
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  Speaker 2: not he's an NBA player. And I have no idea
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  Speaker 2: if he's an NBA player. I just know he's been
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  Speaker 2: on an NBA team, and he is on the NBA
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  Speaker 2: team that has great value in somebody looking like him
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  Speaker 2: wearing a warm-up suit. Just like they got old boy
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  Speaker 2: Gonzalez that's out there.
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  Speaker 1: And I know they took him in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I know how the Celtics have operated
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  Speaker 2: over time. They need you to fill out that white
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  Speaker 2: warmup suit in a certain way. Like a few guys
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  Speaker 2: got to do that. If you're not going to play,
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  Speaker 2: people got to be happy to choose a round. Look
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  Speaker 2: how much money Brian Scalabrini done made.
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  Speaker 1: Off of that. You understand what I'm saying? Not that
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't hoop.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, I ain't know Luka Garza got to, like,
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  Speaker 2: get on the floor unless, you know, everything was under control.
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  Speaker 1: And 0-0?
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  Speaker 5: Game seven?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think Luka Garza ever again thought that
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  Speaker 2: he would ever be able to play in a tie game.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Like a game where he was doing anything other than
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  Speaker 2: making people feel good?
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  Speaker 5: Not the human victory cigar?
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  Speaker 1: Never dawned on him. Not one time.
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  Speaker 2: But the Celtics... Look, the thing with the Celtics is...
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  Speaker 2: I said this about Denver last week, where I think
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  Speaker 2: in some ways we misunderstood what the window was. The
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  Speaker 2: window really opened in 2021 when they got Aaron Gordon,
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  Speaker 2: but the problem was Jamal Murray tore his ACL and
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  Speaker 2: missed the next two postseasons. But that was in the window, right?
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  Speaker 2: And before the window closed, they won in 2023. And
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  Speaker 2: then the next year, I also thought that they were
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  Speaker 2: going to win. But hey, a couple of moves made
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  Speaker 2: the team a bit worse. And I think maybe part
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  Speaker 2: of what we got here is that the margins... on
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  Speaker 2: the changes that happened to your team have gotten a
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  Speaker 2: lot tighter and a little change can make you a
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  Speaker 2: lot worse relative to your peers than you were.
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  Speaker 1: And Boston had those.
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  Speaker 2: And that's before we talk about the Jason Tatum of
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  Speaker 2: it all, right? Drew Holiday does not play for them anymore, right? Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. They got Drew Holiday out
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  Speaker 2: of there and they got Anthony Simons back. Like those
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  Speaker 2: are the parts that matter. And then- They traded Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Simons to get Vucevic, who did not play in game seven.
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  Speaker 1: Right. With Joel Embiid back, by the way, right? You
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  Speaker 1: put Luka Garza on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: And you told Vucevic, hey, no need for you to
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  Speaker 2: put on the white socks. You could keep the ones
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  Speaker 2: on that you wore to the arena or maybe not wear.
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  Speaker 1: Any at all. It's your decision.
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  Speaker 2: That's where they were. And they, look, they got smoked
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  Speaker 2: off the top. It turned into a very good game
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  Speaker 2: by the time it got to the end.
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  Speaker 1: Embiid, man. Look, Embiid is always hurt.
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  Speaker 2: You can make that argument, but you can't say he's
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  Speaker 2: not tough.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, he gets out there and, you know, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he plays up a little bit some of this, right?
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  Speaker 1: He janky as hell though, boy. He is the, he
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  Speaker 1: out there like a wrestler.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was talking to somebody and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: he do all that Ric Flair shit where like he
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  Speaker 2: throws you to the ground and act like you hit
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  Speaker 2: him in the face. Right. Or like once he knows
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be going down or whatever reason, he's
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  Speaker 2: there to get somebody else along the way. He's also
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  Speaker 2: an awesome basketball player, an awesome basketball player. And I
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  Speaker 2: think I saw Michael Wilbon trying to make this point.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think he was making it by the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: He missed it.
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  Speaker 2: He was talking about how big man typically don't shoot
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  Speaker 2: free throws well, but he's an 85 percent free throw
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  Speaker 2: shooter who, if I am not mistaken, is the NBA
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  Speaker 2: all time leader in free throws made per game. Like
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  Speaker 2: he is, he's that guy in so many ways. He
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  Speaker 2: just also has never played 70 games in an NBA season.
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  Speaker 1: He never has. I have forgotten he was there, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I knew he had the appendix thing, but I
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  Speaker 2: felt like it was always something else. Like, you can't
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  Speaker 2: count on him, and we can talk about what the
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  Speaker 2: future is or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, he got it done in this game.
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  Speaker 2: And then Tyrese Maxey, like, look, the Sixers have made
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  Speaker 2: the decision that they're going to put their future in
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  Speaker 2: the hands of Maxey and now Vijay Edgecombe, right? Maxey
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  Speaker 2: obviously has two problems that if you listen to me,
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  Speaker 2: you know that I find to be very important, right?
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  Speaker 2: One of them, small guard. Number two, he from Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: And if you go, like, just follow somebody from Dallas
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, take me wherever you lead us, I
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  Speaker 2: personally wouldn't do that. You're going to wind up somewhere
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  Speaker 2: getting a shag haircut doing shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I would not recommend that. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: to the Celtics of it all, Ryan, I think it's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, we've seen the best of what he would be.
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  Speaker 5: Most likely, yes.
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  Speaker 2: It is possible that what happened here, we wound up
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  Speaker 2: with a calf injury on the other leg.
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  Speaker 1: If it ain't one thing, it's another.
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  Speaker 2: Like I saw a quote where Elton Brand said, the
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  Speaker 2: thing about coming back from an Achilles is everything else
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  Speaker 2: breaks down after that, right? Like your body does all
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  Speaker 2: the compensating and then everything else.
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  Speaker 5: Especially if you sprint back like Jason Tatum did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he also has a very physically demanding game. All
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  Speaker 2: them step backs and all this other stuff. Like at 27,
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  Speaker 2: I guess he is now. he's had a Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame career as it stands. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: this good again, in all likelihood. Derek White does not
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  Speaker 2: appear to be the player that he was two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine watching Derek White in this series and somebody telling
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  Speaker 2: you that he was on the Olympic team.
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  Speaker 5: A crucial part of the Olympic team where Jason Tatum
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  Speaker 5: was on the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum was not playing, right?
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  Speaker 2: Needing lots of, like, minutes that matter from Peyton Pritchard,
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  Speaker 2: but in a circumstance where teams can now actually plan
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  Speaker 2: for him, right? Or, like, have something to do to
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  Speaker 2: deal with him when it comes up. Like, all these
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  Speaker 2: things are going on. All I'm saying is this is
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  Speaker 2: a far cry from the team of 2024. Like, this
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  Speaker 2: team does not have Kristaps Porzingis. For example, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to not have Drew Holiday. It seems to not have
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  Speaker 2: healthy Jason Tatum. The window probably a bit shut down.
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  Speaker 2: And on top of that, their best player sat his
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  Speaker 2: ass up on a live stream and said that this
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  Speaker 2: was the most fun season that he's ever had because
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  Speaker 2: he got to be.
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  Speaker 1: The number one option.
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  Speaker 2: A totally understandable outlook. I get where you're coming from, right?
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  Speaker 2: His ambitions have been to be the number one option
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  Speaker 2: on a team, and he has always been, at most,
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  Speaker 2: one beat. Right? But you don't say that after y'all
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  Speaker 2: lost in the first round.
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  Speaker 1: Are you supposed to be a champion?
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  Speaker 5: You don't get up at your house, turn the live
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  Speaker 5: stream camera on, start pulling up clips like he's breaking
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  Speaker 5: down the Zapruder film.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why are you doing this at all?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Let's show him how to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start there. Why are you doing this at all?
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  Speaker 2: And look, the stuff he was talking about with flopping
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  Speaker 2: and everything else.
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  Speaker 1: A big dog. I hear you.
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  Speaker 2: And nobody really wants to hear you whine about that.
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  Speaker 2: But we'd much rather hear you whine about that. Then, man,
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  Speaker 2: being the number one bet, being the man was great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the season was kind of bomb.
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  Speaker 1: Dog, ain't nobody trying to hear that out of.
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  Speaker 2: You at this point. Then, you know, I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I feel about Missoula. I find him to be very,
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  Speaker 2: very interesting. Missoula sat after the game and said that
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  Speaker 2: he felt just as empty after winning a championship as
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  Speaker 2: he does after a loss. And I'm like, oh, buddy,
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  Speaker 2: what what kind of environment do you guys have going
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  Speaker 2: on over here? He's very reasonable when he talks about
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  Speaker 2: how you got to dedicate yourself to the process.
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  Speaker 1: That's the good and the bad of Joe Mazzulla.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Mazzulla coaches NBA basketball very similar to Dean Smith, where, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we just execute, we'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: And what if what you're doing isn't working? Then we're
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  Speaker 1: going to start executing, damn it.
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  Speaker 2: Right? The plan doesn't ever change. There's never a, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've missed all these threes. Why don't we go get
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  Speaker 2: an easy bucket right fast? That's not what they do.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep shooting up. Just keep chucking up threes. The
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  Speaker 1: game is close late. They're down one. They're down three.
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  Speaker 1: They're chucking threes.
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  Speaker 5: They're down one and Peyton Pritchard is chucking a three.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Guys that shouldn't even be allowed to shoot in a
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  Speaker 2: moment like this.
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  Speaker 1: They're still out here shooting threes. Like all I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: is because of Tatum and Brown.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like they were the same team. And I
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  Speaker 2: had them as a team that's going to walk through
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  Speaker 2: the way through the east obviously this was incorrect this
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it because they weren't The same team. Like, you
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  Speaker 2: realize how ridiculous I feel realizing I picked a team
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  Speaker 2: to win the East that was out here giving real
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  Speaker 2: minutes to Baylor Shireman? And I'll be honest, I almost
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  Speaker 2: called him Bailey because it seemed like his name should
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  Speaker 2: be Bailey. Sam Houser out here playing 30 minutes. That
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  Speaker 2: boy Queda, number 88. He out here getting 33 minutes
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  Speaker 2: in a playoff game.
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  Speaker 1: I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the team that was doing this, a team that, again,
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  Speaker 2: put Luka Garza out here in a game seven to start.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, Ryan, in Luka Garza's nine minutes,
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  Speaker 2: they were a minus 15. I will also note that
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  Speaker 2: in Jalen Brown's 40 minutes, they were a minus 16.
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  Speaker 5: Starting lineup, game seven, never played together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was for a man that seems like rigidly
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  Speaker 2: dedicated to habit and process.
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  Speaker 5: Rigidly dedicated, period.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He sure picked a hell of a time to like
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  Speaker 2: throw this thing, like throw it all out of whack.
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  Speaker 2: Although I'm looking at the rest of it. If you
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  Speaker 2: had a better idea, I'd love to know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you have decided that Vucevic is unplayable.
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, maybe you throw Quaid out. Like, what's the difference?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I guess is the question. We haven't even talked about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it's a 3-1 lead that they blew. No,
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  Speaker 2: this team was just, they overachieved in the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: And they just ain't really have what it takes at
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  Speaker 2: this point because the window's probably closed.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Maybe they're in a position, I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: they stand with the aprons or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it was a knee issue for Tatum, not a calf.
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  Speaker 1: My apology. Um, But.
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  Speaker 2: What are they supposed to do at this point? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what is the next move? This is the same thing
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  Speaker 2: that happened with Denver. That window closed and you looked
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  Speaker 2: up and eat away at the margins just a little bit. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they were out there with Eric Gordon hurt, Peyton Watson hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Those weren't small things, right?
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  Speaker 2: The guys that made it possible for you to play
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  Speaker 2: the way you do with Jokic because those guys play
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  Speaker 2: defense weren't able to get out there and play defense.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that mattered. That was the thing. Jokic, probably a
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  Speaker 1: bit banged up.
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  Speaker 2: And I have seen, I think it's Jake Shapiro who
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  Speaker 2: covers the Nuggets. I don't know if you saw this
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter. Apparently there are questions there, not just about
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  Speaker 2: their head coach, whom I do not think should be
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: their head coach, But, right, apparently they sound a lot
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  Speaker 2: like the New Orleans, is it the Pelicans?
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  Speaker 1: They had the Saints. Are they sharing training facilities? No,
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  Speaker 1: but they got medical problems.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, got it.
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  Speaker 1: There's questions about the medical staff.
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  Speaker 2: And these guys continue to suffer like soft tissue injuries
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  Speaker 2: and the likes.
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  Speaker 5: You know, which is always frustrating when the owner of
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  Speaker 5: your team owns.
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  Speaker 1: A football team.
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  Speaker 5: And also owns Wal-Mart.
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  Speaker 1: He does own Walmart. He owns a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: He owns a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. He married into Walmart.
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  Speaker 5: Married into Walmart. But still has Walmart money.
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  Speaker 1: He has the keys.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: How about that, right? He has the keys.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And Walmart owns the football team there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That actual Walmart.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to know how the real Walmart feels
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  Speaker 2: about that Walmart.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Like, are you familiar with Bud's?
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  Speaker 5: You're going to be more... I am not.
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  Speaker 1: So Bud's is a.
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  Speaker 2: Like a warehouse-style big box store?
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  Speaker 5: Got it, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what the arena at Arkansas, the basketball
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  Speaker 2: arena is called?
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  Speaker 5: It's not called the Bud's Dome. It's Bud Walton Arena.
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  Speaker 5: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: It's Sam Walton's brother, Bud.
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  Speaker 5: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Which is to say, I feel like Stan Kroenke is
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  Speaker 1: kind of the Buds.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought we were going to make a Sam's
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  Speaker 5: Club joke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, with Sam's Club.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then Buds.
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  Speaker 5: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: At his club, like Sam's. Yeah. There we go. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: people ask questions about their medical staff.
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  Speaker 2: But their window, Aaron Gordon is 12 years in the
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  Speaker 2: league now.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Jokic was drafted the same year as Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 2: It's 11 years in the league, but still we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about 12. Jamal Murray, he's not young either. I want
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  Speaker 2: to say Jamal Murray has been in the league for
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  Speaker 2: 10 years now.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I want to say he, like it's somewhere right
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  Speaker 1: in that range. Not his window. Low key kind of close.
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  Speaker 2: Now, again, maybe it would have been a little different,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if they'd had those guys healthy that made
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  Speaker 2: things different in the margins. Jokic paying the price for it, boy,
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  Speaker 2: the internet. Can we be honest about this? The Jokic
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  Speaker 2: arguments after they lost in game six were not arguments
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  Speaker 2: about Jokic. It was people being sick and tired of
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  Speaker 2: a particular class of dork. And the dork backlash just
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  Speaker 2: came flooding in.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: What happened was Jokic had put up a statistical profile
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  Speaker 2: that was like Wilt Chamberlain-esque in sum total, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: once you got to the advanced part, we'd never seen
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  Speaker 2: anybody that was putting up those numbers like that.
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  Speaker 1: And if you watched it, he was incredible to watch.
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  Speaker 2: The problem was the people who get really wedded to
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  Speaker 2: stats and numbers when making these decisions are ignoring that historically,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: We've always made team success a very significant variable in
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  Speaker 2: this discussion. It's the whole reason why nobody says Wilt
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  Speaker 2: Chamberlain was the greatest basketball player of all time. Though
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you, if I pulled up some clips of
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  Speaker 2: Wilt Chamberlain, you'd never believe that anybody was ever better
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: at basketball than that guy was, especially relative to his peers, right?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: So Jokic, this is the point that Nick used to
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: make all the time. Like, sorry, maybe I'm just not
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: trying to call this guy one of the 10 best
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: players ever before he actually wins a championship. I think
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the way it was put, though, was like, maybe I'm
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: not trying to give him a third MVP until he
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: wins a championship. And those are things that should have
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: been left separate from one another. But his general point
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: was correct.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: People got way over their skis before Jokic.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Actually had the pelt on the wall that matters, right?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the pelt on the wall, then
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I think that matters to Jokic, right? But Jokic talks
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: about when they lose, if this is Serbia, everybody would
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: get fired.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: He gets it. He understands what the point is.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But the joy that people took almost when Jokic and
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: them lost, it was simply back at the dorks. Because
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: think about this. It is one thing to have a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: widespread argument about who is better, LeBron James or Michael Jordan,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: or to have a widespread argument about who's better, LeBron
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: James or Kobe Bryant or Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: or a host of others, even if you want to
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: say Charles Barkley and Karl Malone, Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: It makes sense to have arguments in that fashion.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: A widespread argument about whether somebody falls between three and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: 10 on the all-time list is the most internet contrived
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: nonsense in the history of all time. Does a person
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: fall into a range? That's not really an argument. You
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying? But the issue came down to,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: it seemed very clear that a group of people had
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: adopted a new set of rules to adopt the player
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that they really like watching at this particular point in time.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And then when that dude came.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Up short, as just about every great player has come
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: up short at one point in another, as he came
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: up short, Ryan, him coming up short in that series
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: reminded me of when Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks lost
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: in 07. But the difference was, They had blown that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: 2-0 lead the year before, where it was almost about
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to be 3-0 before I think it was Gary Payton
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hit that shot in game three. And then they blew
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that series, and then they came back, and Dirk was
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the MVP, and they lost in the first round to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: an eight seed. Right? But Dirk didn't have the receipt yet.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Jokic has it. And it's just a fight about us.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: It ain't got nothing to do with him. And it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: got nothing actual factual to do with basketball. It's not
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like he's a dude for people to be upset with
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: or anything. No, people got sick and tired of these
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: fucking dorks. And the collateral damage was the guy who
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: quite honestly seems less like one of those dorks than
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: anybody I could think of. The guy from Sombor.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Sombor got dorks. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that's what I would love to see.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Jokic's brothers hanging out with his biggest fans on the internet. Like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: what in the world would those guys talk about when
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: they were all in the same place?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But the truth is.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Why are you calling me a vorp, you know?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. But for them, what are they going
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to do?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: What are they going to do? And so what I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: think we've seen happen... and i think we talked about
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: this on this show like look the repeat era is
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: kind of janky i talked about this alfonso show over
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the weekend now the the whole in that there can't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: be repeat is going to wind up being the thunder
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: of the spurs at least for a little while like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: they're going.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: To be the truest test um to what it is
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but no you're not going to see guys i don't
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: think string together a bunch of rings In that regard,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: like we're getting dangerously close to, are we going to have,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you know, wow, it's really interesting now that I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: about this, right? So with the Jordan era, you had
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: all these guys who didn't win, Ewing, Karl Malone, John Stockton,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Charles Barkley, you know, like just all these guys who
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: did not get rings because Michael Jordan was hogging all
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the rings, right?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: What if we also.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Wind up with a case where we get guys who
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: don't get them just because they never got the spin
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: on the wheel to get there? Like, when are we
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: going to get to the, hey, Luca, what's up with you, guy? Like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: guys like him, he's been in the league now for
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: nine years.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Where the ring at? But are we not, I don't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: think we're going to do that. Joel Embiid. Joel Embiid
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: has been to a conference final.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You know, like, this is, What a window is is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going to be very, very interesting to see and to map.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But it seems like for Denver or for Boston to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: be championship contenders, something drastic is probably.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Going to have to change.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: When we first started recording this show, we had to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: start it over and come back because I was trying
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to do a tease, right, where I would say something.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Make you want to come back and listen a little later.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Hold through. You know what I'm saying? Be excited. Wet
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: your appetite. Wet with an H. You know what I'm saying?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going for.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And I said, I'm going to get to the most
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: interesting thing to happen in New York in 30 years.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And we re-recorded it. Because Ryan made the fair.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Point, whether I wanted, you know, he was like, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: there's something that happened in the last 30 years.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Are you sure you want to do this? And I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: was like, well, that wasn't really interesting.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's not the most perfect adjective.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody was like, yo, the most interesting thing happened today.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you about it. Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: A plane.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But he was right. It plays better me explaining what
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the story was. than he does actually doing it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Especially, you know, 20 minutes in, then 20 seconds in.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: That's great. We still made content out of that moment, right?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: That's how pros do it, kids. That's how pros do it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But no, I do think that this is, at least
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: in a sporting sense, this is the most interesting thing
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I'd say to happen in New York in 30 years,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and it's this. The New York Knicks have zero excuse
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: if they do not win the East. I think they
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: should be the favorites.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: They are.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: To win the East. Yeah, they're the favorites to win
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the East.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: They easily looked superior to all the teams that are
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: this far in the East. And I think we need
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to give them a measure of credit. I don't remember
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: if I said this here, but they got down 2-1
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to the Hawks. And they didn't just beat them the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: next three games. they blew their doors off in a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: way where I think there's a confirmation bias element that
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: comes in circumstances like this. Like if you really thought
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that they were some bosses, you would be like, hey,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they knew what time it was and then they stood
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: up and they decided to win, right? I just know
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: on Friday night, I've never seen a team with a
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: score in the 70s and the other team had a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: score in the 20s.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: It might have even been in the teens. I've never,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: ever seen.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: A team up by 50 points with like six minutes
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: left in the second quarter. They, it was outright destruction
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and not just the Hawks are playing badly.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: If you had put the Knicks in.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Golden State Warrior suits in 2016, Or the Thunder, right?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Or the Spurs or any team that you think of
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: as truly being in that championship caliber. That would have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: been the first story on every show coming in here
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: was just like, so do you think anybody will ever
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: beat them?
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance they can sweep it out?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: That's how good they look against the Hawks. Running the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: offense through towns.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It seems they fix the wildest thing. If you do
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: things through your most talented player. amazing what might happen, right?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You know, that's, look, that's a lot of, a lot of,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: there's a lot going on with that decision and how
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: they got there or anything else. But the truth is,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they look like the best team in the East and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: we said going into this year, there's no reason why
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: they could not win the East. Whether you thought they
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: would or not would be its own discussion. But there
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: was no, here's the reason why they can't win the East.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: That was never there. The only reason that's been there
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: that they could not win the East was themselves. Which means,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and where this gets fun, this has to be the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: most pressure that the New York Knicks have been under
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: since 1994, 1995?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: When I got here nine years ago, man, I always
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: say I feel like Knicks fans get a bad rap.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Because they really care. They really, really do love that team.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And when I first got here, man, and they would
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: stop me on the street, they was just asking me
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to say anything nice.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like....
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They just like, please give us some reason for hope
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for some optimism or whatever it is.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Now, here's the thing about the Knicks fans. Their transition
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for we just want to be good to. All right,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: let's go. It's quick. It is very, very quick. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it is justified at this point.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: For them to view this as a team that should
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: win and to demand of it that they do win
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the East.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I see it. This is not the Knicks.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Went on a five-game winning streak in 2012, and now
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: they think they can win three championships. That's not what's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: going on here this time. This is, you guys look
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: like the best team left.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You should get this done.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You are going to play against the Philadelphia 76ers. You
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: should beat them, right? Because even though Embiid has dialed
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: it up, that's still a fairly reduced form of Embiid.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: And we, just because we got a good... Embiid is
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: playing through 30-plus minutes of one game.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Does not mean he will be playing through 30 minutes
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: of the next game.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: That is correct. But look, it really comes down to this, man.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Carl got a ball. Right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Like, to me, for them to do the things that
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I think they should do, he should be their best player, right?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: He should be out there getting you 20-something a night.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The way he's played in these last few games and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: dialing back the FGAs and stuff like that have been interesting.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But he can't be out there with the stupid fouls.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: He's got to be on the floor to provide in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: that way. But the Pistons, who also I think deserve
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a measure of credit for making the we got to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: dial it up decision, they have structural flaws that I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: do not believe the Knicks have, which is they only
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: got one guy that can go get a bucket. The
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Knicks don't have that problem. The Knicks have a lot
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of good players. Like I think that's actually a little
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: bit underrated about them is the quantity of good players
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that the Knicks have.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: They got a lot of guys that you would like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to have on your team.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Like OG Ananobi being like the third or fourth name
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that you typically talk about when you talk about this team.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Hey man, OG can ball, right?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: They've got what it takes to go ahead and and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: do this, and I can't wait to see how that
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: plays out here, boy. Like, I need to start doing
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this where I go, one night I went over there,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I pulled up over by Madison Square Garden before the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: game just to get the vibes. You know, it was
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a little too early, but it was cool. I'm going
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to tell you what I did notice, though. This is
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: about the Knicks. It ain't just them. They showed the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: clip last night or the shots in Toronto from Jurassic Park,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and that's where they got this square in Toronto where
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: they showed a game on TV. And then people come
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and watch it. And they do the same thing outside
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of Madison Square Garden, right?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It looks good on TV.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It's fan engagement. And you get to, like, I don't
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: know exactly where it is in Toronto. I feel like
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: it's a few blocks away from the arena. It's right
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: next to Madison Square Garden. And, buddy, you want to
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: talk about the uncoolest place in the world.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: They showed that clip of the people in Toronto.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And, buddy, that was the dork fest of all dork
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: fests when I looked up there.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what you see a lot of up there?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Jerseys over hoodies. With glasses.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: You know what you don't see a lot of there?
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Guys with their girlfriends.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say. There's number two.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You don't see a lot of guys with their girlfriends,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and the reason they all have is, my girlfriend go
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to another school.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Right, ladies, on that clip. And I was like, yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this is not the coolest place I have ever seen.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And I saw them piling in and getting ready at
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden that time.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I'm not saying these guys.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Aren't big fans, but they are not a representative cross-section
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of the entirety of the fan base.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder what it looks like in Toronto for the Maple.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Leafs, though, because Paisan, Tirico, was saying that they had
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: first started doing that for the Maple Leafs and I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: curious what the crowd is that's there because I don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: feel like I don't feel like the dorks are piling
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: up for that in Toronto I just I don't know
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong I don't think they're doing this
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I'm also very disappointed in the Raptors because I hope
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that the Raptors would win that because then they would
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: go play against Detroit.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And I was like, if Detroit plays against Toronto, the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: winner gets Windsor. like i thought that was really clever.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: You know what i'm saying that is a limited range
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: joke that is very funny yeah it is.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: That's what i'm right right right right like anybody that
• 29:57
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• 30:07
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  Speaker 5: on the Internet over the weekend for your appearance on
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  Speaker 5: Young Man III, a conversation about The Wire versus The Sopranos.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Would you like to elaborate and describe what happened?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm on there. Mind of my own business. It's me,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it's Adam. It's young Trey Murphy III, though I will note.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: You could be Murphy III, or you could be Trey.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: There's no need to be both.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: You're saying it's redundant and repetitive?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no need to be both.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: What's so funny, though, is I saw Trey at a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: hotel lobby in Houston last year, and people thought I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: was his dad. And he told me that, and I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: thought he was just trying to unk me, because he
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: liked to try to unk me. But no, I kind
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of look like his dad. Like, he showed me a picture.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I see what you're talking about.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But I am also old enough to be his dad.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It's a lot going on at one time. Anyway, I
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: don't know how or why this came up. But something
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: came up about The Sopranos and The Wire. And I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: was in the process of making an analogy that right
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: now I don't even remember what I was going to say.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But I was going to say that The Sopranos is
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to The Wire as... And then he told me that
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: The Wire's characters were all cartoons and did not have
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: any depth to them. And I... lost my mind. Actually,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like I did not lose my mind. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: was in the process of losing my mind. And he's like, well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: what nuance does Omar have? And now I'm at the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: point where I don't even have anything else to say.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Where are we?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But I cooked up a nice professional answer on that one, right?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And I felt like people received me as trying to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: say the Sopranos characters don't have depth and nuance.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And that wasn't what I was saying right then.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: What I was saying or trying to make the point was,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: even if you think the Sopranos characters or the Wires
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: characters lack depth, I don't understand your argument that the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Sopranos characters somehow have more depth.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Because this is the thing about the Sopranos. And I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: watched it, honestly, I just watched it for the first
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: time over Christmas. Like, I did a watch of the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: whole thing. The Sopranos got worse as the Sopranos forgot
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: what the Sopranos really was.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: A comedy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: As it got farther from comedy, it got less and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: less interesting. Those first couple seasons are flat-out comedy. It
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: was the second episode where they got the woman from
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Trinidad watching Tony's mom, and Tony comes up.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And says, hey, just letting you know, while you're in
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the house, no ganja. what are we doing, right?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Like, Tony Soprano pulling up on people at their jobs,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: not knowing that they were going to see him and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: beating them up.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Like, all that stuff is hysterical. What's it stop being comedy?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Not so much.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But I could not understand how one would not see
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the depth in characters of The Wire, but be like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: but The Sopranos, that's, now we're in, no, no, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: didn't think you could do both those things.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Ryan, I don't know the last time we did.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Anything on this show that got that level of engagement.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: People really, really got charged up about this. In part,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: because I don't think My man Adam understood what people
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: were going to assume about him.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: From saying that. The stumble into the accidental race war.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, it seemed like a very
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: obvious thing to me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And I know it's a very obvious, it seemed obvious
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to me because I.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: In the moment, was like... What you trying to say?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that. Cause I, you know, I ain't
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: really no cat or whatever, but I was like, Oh no.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I don't like, I think that Adam Friedland got home
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and was like, huh?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he did after he had such
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the realization.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But I do think that he realized that, um, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: don't know if he had ever been invited to the cookout,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: but there are going to be a few, like he
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: won't be going to one in Baltimore. No, no, no.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Not without a serious letter of credit.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: All right. Since we last recorded, still in the league,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: All-Star has retired. I'm talking about, of course, Ask Jeeves.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Nearly made it to 30 years. Launched in June of 1996,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: ended May 1st of 2026. Bo, what's your biggest memory
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: of Ask Jeeves?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: My biggest memory of Ask Jeeves is me and my
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: man Che. We used to ask Jeeves the same question.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: We asked Jeeves the same question that we ask just
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: about every day.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And Jeeves ain't never had the answer. And we knew
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that if Jeeves ain't have the answer to that existential question,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that question that always matters. And I know some of
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: y'all out here are like, well, what question are you
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: talking about? And the answer to that question, answers that
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: always work well for that question.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Atlanta. I was just in Rio. Rio was an answer.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to the question. You know what I mean?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Some people like Miami. Houston don't get enough credit. New
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: York don't either. But Jeeves never knew where. No matter
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: how many times I asked, Jeeves never knew where. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that's when I knew it wasn't long for Jeeves. I'm
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: actually surprised that Jeeves made it this long. That's what
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we always want to know. And Jeeves ain't never have
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: no idea. So, shout out to Jeeves for hanging on
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: as long as they did, but you know, You should
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: have known better.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Like, I bet Chad GPT got the answer. In fact,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: let me check right now. Let me see if Chad
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: GPT can answer this question.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: The question.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Enter.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Idiot.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It may not be the right answer, but at least
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it tried. And I felt, and I felt like Jeeves
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: never did.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: All right. And finally, uh, Rick Ross and French Montana
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: will be battling in a versus on Thursday. Uh, Bo,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: you have previously said versus are dead. Do you still
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: have the same opinion?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Say what you just said to me again, and then
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: ask me that question again.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Uh, Rick Ross in French Montana, squaring off in a
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: versus on Thursday. His verse is dead still.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: French Montana in a versus is an indictment of a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: whole generation. Because like, what, 20 French.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You guys enjoy that, man. If that's what y'all want
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to do, man, y'all go ahead. No, no, no. Y'all
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: have fun. Y'all go ahead. If that's that's what you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: feel I will not be watching.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: All right Bo a lot of good voicemails here's our first.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: This question is for uh Joelle Anderson uh what's going
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: on Bomani Jones podcast family we talked the other day
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: about having nicknames like if you made the If you
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: made the name Wi-Fi, you just go by and call
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: me Wi-Fi. So we call Joel Anderson something like quarter
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: fast for being the fastest fourth grader in America. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I would like to also ask.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Could he currently be a fourth grader in a race?
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: All right. Peace and love.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till Joel hears this.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: I want to be clear. They asked us.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Joel is about to start getting into playing shape for
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: his race against Billy.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Because this is going to happen.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: So this is really happening.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: This is going to happen. Joel is also currently in
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And the last I checked, they had taken Joel's phone
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and was sending tweets from it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Which is a very 2014 thing to do, but I
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: still found to be very funny.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I asked Van if he is simply going to antagonize
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Joel all week, and in all caps, he replied, yes.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I love that currently Joel is providing enough content for
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: two podcasts, only.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: One of which he is the host, just by being himself. Like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: this is one of the great developments of 2026.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: The building, the star turn The year of Joel. The
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: year of Joel, all by leaning in on his inner hater.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: The inner hater that he swears does not exist and
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that was only invented by me and Van Lathan.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: But look at the success that this is turning into. Also,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: did you see me send you the answers from Chad GPT?
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I sure did.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: See what I mean?
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Not incorrect.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Told you. Jeeves never stood a chance.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: It might be more of a me answer than a
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: you answer, but still not incorrect.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Never stood a chance. Never stood a chance.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Here's our next one.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Hey, Bo.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Thoroughly enjoyed your Time Machine Tuesday recap of the lead
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: up to the 2016 Warriors. And my question is in
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: that light of between the 16 Warriors and the 2007 patch,
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Which team's legacy is benefited more if they actually win
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: the title that year? Thanks again for everything that you do.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think the answer there is obviously the 2007 Patriots.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is it's easy to forget.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: They went nine years between titles. They won a title
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: in 04 and they won one in 14. They did
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: not win a title in between.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Um, and.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I would say even if they go 73 and nine
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and they win a championship, we have questions about whether
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that's the greatest team we've ever seen.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think there are any questions.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: If the 2007 Patriots win with Tom Brady throwing 50
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: touchdown passes and Randy Moss.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Catching like 23 or 24 of them.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I think we look at that as the greatest team
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of all time. A 16-game undefeated season. Right? Like, though,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: it was a much different league and a much more
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: difficult league than the one that the Dolphins won in
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in 72.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. The Patriots win that one.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I think we look at them much different.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: All right, here's our last one.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Hey, Bomani. Listening to you talk to Vinny Goodwill about
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: the Knicks and about their fans specifically. I'm a 60-year-old
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: New Yorker. I've been here my whole life. But I'll
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: tell you about Knicks fans, because they think they root
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: for the Yankees, but they're really just the Mets. They're
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: good every so often, but you've got to have a
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: lot of hope. Keep up the good work.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I will say this again about the Knicks.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: When the Rangers won the Stanley Cup in 1994. Remember,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they had a game seven against the Devils in the,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I guess it's now called the Eastern Conference Finals, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Campbell Conference Finals back then.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: But they had to print up two different versions of
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the cover because there was no telling, you know, who's
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: going to win it or whatever. And the one if
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the Devils had won just said 1940 on the cover
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: because 1940 had been the last time that the Rangers
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: had won a Stanley Cup. It had been 54 years
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: since they had won a Stanley Cup. It has been
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: 53 years since the Knicks have won. I don't think
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that it's Knicks fans that act like this so much, though.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I think very much in the marketing of this, the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: idea that the Knicks are one of the league's great franchises,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: like all-time great historic franchises.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: This league has two historic franchises. It is the Lakers
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and the Celtics. That's it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: The Celtics were winning all those rings. And before that,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the Lakers were winning a gang of those rings. They
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: had George Mikan, right?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Like that's what it was turning into. The Knicks have
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: won two championships. That's it. I feel like Knicks fans
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: know that. And yeah, you're right. That is a little
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: bit more like the Mets. But my hot take is
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: all the New York sports teams are more like the Mets.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: than the Yankees.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: The Giants managed to pull off those 07 and 2011 titles, right?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: That kind of beef up the total. But otherwise, let's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: look this up. New York Giants.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to their wiki page and we'll
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: look at them in terms of like being a championship situation.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan. They ain't really... They won championship.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Look, 1927... 1934, 1938, 1956.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: When the league had eight teams. And two of them,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Washington and Pittsburgh.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: With those years, I thought you think you're talking about
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: the baseball giants.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. Now that's a team, right? That's a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: team with some heritage. The Jets are the Jets. The
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Rangers are the Rangers. The Islanders post 1980, whatever. They're
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: what they are.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Everybody in New York is the Mets. Basically.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Except the Yankees.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Who have been the Mets for 30 years.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: They've been the Mets for more like 15.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know what your IMG markation is and
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: that makes sense.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they won a World Series in 09.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: They were consistently going there.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And since then, it's been Metsy.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Fair.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Been Metsy.
• 46:49
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• 46:52
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• 47:16
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