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Sean O'Connell(@RealOCSports) talking Jazz/Mammoth Homestretch, State of CBB, Big 12 Tourney + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, coming off.
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  Speaker 2: A weird night in Utah sports, the Utah Mammoth had
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  Speaker 2: a big road win. All Right, We're glad, We're happy
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  Speaker 2: about that. That's wonderful. We're pleased with that situation immensely.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: The Big twelve Conference is inebriated and doesn't know what
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  Speaker 2: it needs to do with itself. In basketball, byu with
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  Speaker 2: another disastrous loss. Utah finished out their season at home
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  Speaker 2: last night, Senior night. Just to excuse me, just a
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  Speaker 2: really really rough game for the Utes, just a really
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  Speaker 2: bad showing again. And I know that you got tournament basketball,
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  Speaker 2: and you're probably just wanting to get the bad taste
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  Speaker 2: out of your mouth and finish this thing up.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety two seventy eight, falling to the.
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  Speaker 2: Colorado Buffaloes who doubled you up in the first half,
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  Speaker 2: still out played you in the final moments, but doubled
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  Speaker 2: you up in the first half. And that is, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, not a good team. They're an okay team.
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  Speaker 2: They're a marginal team. Terrence Brown once again led the
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  Speaker 2: Utes and all scorers in this one. He had twenty
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  Speaker 2: six points. Don McHenry nineteen points. There's just not enough support,
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  Speaker 2: there's not enough help. There's not enough of the kind
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  Speaker 2: of basketball that Alex Jensen needs for this team to
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  Speaker 2: be able to play as he continues as the head
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  Speaker 2: coach at the University of Utah. And there's no question
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  Speaker 2: in my mind that it's gonna get turned around. It's
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  Speaker 2: just going to be maybe a more complicated, a little
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  Speaker 2: bit slower process us what we originally anticipated.
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  Speaker 1: So that's tough, and look, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Time for us we have to acknowledge how odd it is,
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  Speaker 2: how off putting it is for some fans when you're
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  Speaker 2: trotting people out for Senior Night at the Huntsman Center
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  Speaker 2: or at fog Allen or wherever, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the people haven't been there for more than a year.
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  Speaker 2: If they've been there, maybe they've been there two years.
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  Speaker 2: The rarity in college sports. I'm still trying to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that this is properly sourced, But this is from
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  Speaker 2: a guy at CBS Sports. He's a national college basketball
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  Speaker 2: writer for CBS Sports. He's a twenty four to seven insider,
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  Speaker 2: follows the college hoops very very closely. Isaac Trotter put
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  Speaker 2: out a mine blowing tweet for me, there are twenty
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  Speaker 2: two high major scholarship players who will celebrate senior night
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  Speaker 2: having played at just one place. For Mississippi State's Sean
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  Speaker 2: Jones junior, and Isaac covers the SEC closely. He's the
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  Speaker 2: only SEC senior to finish where he started. The Big Twelve,
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  Speaker 2: according to this graphic from Isaac Trotter, has five total
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  Speaker 2: players in the entire conference. In my opinion, college basketball's
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  Speaker 2: best and deepest conference, only five guys started where they finished.
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  Speaker 2: The Big Ten leads with ten, Big Twelve has five,
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  Speaker 2: the Big East has three, the ACC has three, the
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  Speaker 2: SEC has one. Now he's only talking about what we
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  Speaker 2: call the Power five, right, there's only a Power four
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  Speaker 2: in college football. Now, the Big East is still a
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  Speaker 2: power conference in bass basketball, So they get to be
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  Speaker 2: part of this conversation. Twenty two players finishing where they
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  Speaker 2: started in big time college hoops. And I mean no
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  Speaker 2: disparaging remark to the Utah State Aggies, to the Weaber
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  Speaker 2: State Wildcats, to whomever fill in the blank.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you're a big fan of liberty.
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  Speaker 2: You know what we're talking about when we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: power conference athletic departments in power conference schools, and right,
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  Speaker 2: now there is an absolute dearth, an absence of individuals
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  Speaker 2: who really represent those schools. All the way through. We
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  Speaker 2: knew this was a problem, all right. We knew this
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  Speaker 2: was like a thing that probably at some point needs
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  Speaker 2: to be talked about more. I will admit to my
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  Speaker 2: own ignorance here. I had no idea we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about twenty two total in a landscape of hundreds and
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of players that we're talking about twenty two who
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  Speaker 2: from freshmen to senior year stayed at the same power school.
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  Speaker 2: Porter Larson, by the way, is filling in for James Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: who's on daddy duty today, and Porter, I see you
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  Speaker 2: in there kind of shaking your heads.
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  Speaker 1: And it's absurd. Did you know this was the number?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that was the number. If you would
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  Speaker 3: have had me guess, I would have guessed a lot
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  Speaker 3: higher than that. And that's even considering the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm aware of this issue that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: But twenty two, that's it in.
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  Speaker 1: The country total, in the landscape.
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  Speaker 2: Now, maybe that number gets higher when you go down
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  Speaker 2: the ladder a little bit. When you're talking about definitely
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  Speaker 2: Wichita State and you're talking about Utah State, and you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about in northwest Dakota, whatever, There's probably more there,
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  Speaker 2: but the harsh reality in those situations also is that
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  Speaker 2: they face a different kind of crisis than this, where
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  Speaker 2: if you are Utah State's best player, you're heavily incentivized
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  Speaker 2: to then go play for BYU Kansas, Texas Tech, Houston, Oregon,
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  Speaker 2: whoever is willing to spend the money that Utah State
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure would love to.
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  Speaker 1: But quite literally cannot. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, while a roster like Utah State or a roster
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  Speaker 2: like Weaver State might have guys, oh we got you
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  Speaker 2: have five in your whole conference, we got three on
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  Speaker 2: this team that stayed from freshman year to senior year.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have to say, okay, were they your
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  Speaker 1: best players?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: Were they your team captains? Well maybe by default because
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  Speaker 2: they were here long enough. Were they the guys that
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  Speaker 2: you as a coach if, by the way, you hear
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  Speaker 2: the coach who's been there the whole time?
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  Speaker 1: Because turnover there is also a problem. Were they the guy?
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  Speaker 1: Were those the guys that.
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  Speaker 2: You wanted to attach your future your resume too, And
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  Speaker 2: the sad reality is, well, probably not. And then you say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you got three or five, or however, what's the
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  Speaker 2: rest of your roster made up of? Well, the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my roster is made up of the guys who
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  Speaker 2: didn't stay all four years at the Big twelve school,
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  Speaker 2: or were academically ineligible after a couple of years at
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  Speaker 2: the ACC school, or weren't the high school. As a
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  Speaker 2: high school player, we thought they were something and in
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  Speaker 2: the Big ten they turned out not to be that.
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  Speaker 2: So then we got them and coach, do you like
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  Speaker 2: that again? We're talking to now the mid major coaches,
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  Speaker 2: the lower level coach, is that what you wanted your
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  Speaker 2: roster to be built on? And almost invariably, the answer
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  Speaker 2: will be, well, it's not great, it's not ideal, But
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  Speaker 2: we love the talent, we love the kids. We love
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  Speaker 2: giving the kids opportunities when the opportunity doesn't work out
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else. And all that is true, and these coaches
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  Speaker 2: are doing the best they can. But man, what a
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  Speaker 2: mess in college hoops.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a bigger issue in football than it
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  Speaker 3: is in basketball.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll just add a caveat here.
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  Speaker 3: There's also a pretty healthy amount of players who you know,
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  Speaker 3: they aren't happy with their lot. They aren't aren't happy
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  Speaker 3: with their playing time and they say, hey, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to transfer, I'm going to go play somewhere. They enter
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  Speaker 3: the portal and there are more players in the portal
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  Speaker 3: than there are scholarships available across the country.
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  Speaker 1: They don't find a home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we get that number at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year in football, where it's just like, we had thirty
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  Speaker 2: five hundred guys enter the portal this year, and twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred found a new home. Right, You're like, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, the map there is it, Matt, So you're
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  Speaker 2: telling me, and look, not everyone who enters the portal
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  Speaker 2: is a scholarship player.
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  Speaker 1: But let's say that the majority is, or let's just.
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  Speaker 2: Say that that you know, the percentage is about seventy
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  Speaker 2: five percent of all players, and it's that percentage is
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  Speaker 2: going up, right, About seventy five percent of all players
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  Speaker 2: in college football are scholarship players. And if you take
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  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the eight hundred guys who didn't
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  Speaker 2: find a new home, that's six hundred people who walked
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  Speaker 2: away from having their education paid for thinking they were
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  Speaker 2: going to find greener grass and then unfortunately they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of them are getting advice from someone
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  Speaker 3: who's let's say, incentivized to try to get them to
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  Speaker 3: a different place, to try to get them somewhere that
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  Speaker 3: might make them money, regardless of if that is a
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  Speaker 3: place that they'll find a better landing spot. It's as
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  Speaker 3: you said, man, it's it's a mess.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way I say this, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I have to throw it out and qualify all of
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  Speaker 2: these statements because I am a person who transferred during
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  Speaker 2: their college career for a bunch of money too, for
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  Speaker 2: dozens of cents. No, I transferred because I wanted to play.
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  Speaker 2: I came to that stark and cold realization that you
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  Speaker 2: never want your ego never wants to have to survive
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  Speaker 2: when you're twenty years old, that like, hey, man, you
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  Speaker 2: might think you're good enough to play here, but these
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  Speaker 2: coaches don't and they never will. So you need to
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  Speaker 2: find somewhere you can go. That's a hard thing. I
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  Speaker 2: still don't like talking about it. It was twenty something
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  Speaker 2: years ago, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you would have stayed at Utah, you
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  Speaker 3: would have found a way.
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  Speaker 2: I wish that's true. I wish that's true, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I probably, I'm sure I could have run down on
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  Speaker 2: Kickoff a couple times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, all right. Are you telling
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  Speaker 1: me that Jay Hill didn't back up the BRINKX truck?
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think Jay Hill knew my name until after
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  Speaker 5: I was gone.
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  Speaker 3: He did after you were there, though, when he reunited
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  Speaker 3: with you at good old Weaver State.
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  Speaker 2: And look, it's all wonderful, it's great. It all comes
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  Speaker 2: out in the wash. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so fortunate that it worked out that way for myself,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many of these players that are just like again,
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  Speaker 2: it's not something I just want to be like. These
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  Speaker 2: kids these days don't know how to suffer. They don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to go through adversity. All right, I suffered.
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  Speaker 2: I went through adversity, and I came to a realization
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  Speaker 2: that it wasn't going to work. Not all these transfers
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  Speaker 2: are that, all right, Because if all transfers were that,
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  Speaker 2: we would be talking about several hundred players who started
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  Speaker 2: the same place that they finished. If the only people
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  Speaker 2: who transferred were the people who it just it really
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  Speaker 2: isn't going to work out. You're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: on the floor, you're not going to get on the field.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to get on the diamond. Whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: twenty two players in Power five batsketball finishing where they
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  Speaker 2: started is embarrassing for everyone who's been part of this
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  Speaker 2: decision making process, everyone the coaches that pushed for it,
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  Speaker 2: the players, the player reps, the ed o'bannons and the
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  Speaker 2: Remogi Humas and all these guys are just like, we
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  Speaker 2: need these players to have the rights of anyone else,
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  Speaker 2: Like I understand, But you now have to look at
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  Speaker 2: the results, the fruits of your labor, and be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit cringey. Ah. I didn't anticipate this. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think this is what we were asking for. And you
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  Speaker 2: could probably live in denial and say, but this is
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  Speaker 2: not what we were asking for, right. The failure to
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  Speaker 2: predict that this was a possible outcome is exactly that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a failure by all the people, all the attorneys,
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  Speaker 2: all of the player reps that were just like I
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  Speaker 2: want open transfers. I've told this story several times.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing Serious SAM Radio. I was hosting a show.
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  Speaker 2: Rick Neuheisel happened to be the guy that I was
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  Speaker 2: hosting the show with, and I was just like, I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone should be allowed to transfer penalty free for
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  Speaker 2: like one time in college.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, absolutely not. Put that. Keep that genie
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  Speaker 1: in the bottle. I was like, what are you talking about, coach.
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  Speaker 2: He said, if you allow even that, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a free for all and a mess.
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  Speaker 5: I said, no, no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 2: Because players, when they're starters at a certain place, they're
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  Speaker 2: happy there. I promise you more than twenty two guys
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  Speaker 2: were starters at their previous school and decided to go
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else. I didn't fully anticipate, and I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: open transfer. A good question came in the comments of
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  Speaker 2: Isaac Trotter's initial tweet, which again gives you the number
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  Speaker 2: twenty two. I'm gonna keep hammering that home. Twenty two
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  Speaker 2: high major scholarship players played at one spot celebrating senior night.
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  Speaker 1: Really good question came in.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how many guys played at four places in
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  Speaker 2: four years, or four places in five years, or five
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  Speaker 2: places in six years, Like the cat who just walked
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  Speaker 2: off the USC.
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  Speaker 1: Court never went back. Probably more than twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: It's dozens at least, it's probably over one hundred. And again,
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  Speaker 2: this is college hoops. So the numbers are different than
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  Speaker 2: in college football, where you've got rosters of over one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: But I want this number in football now.
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  Speaker 3: I'll I'll play Devil's advocate because I am kind of
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  Speaker 3: an open transfer guy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but there's caveats there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that a law or a rule from
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  Speaker 3: the NCUBLEA, especially from the NC double A, should prohibit
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  Speaker 3: a kid from going to school and living where he
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  Speaker 3: wants to live. Fair However, if you engage now in
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  Speaker 3: an economy where contracts are signed, you hire an agent,
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  Speaker 3: you go out and make money on the nile market,
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  Speaker 3: You go out and make money with that brand on
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  Speaker 3: your chest. That's when things change, right, So I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we should necessarily penalize the kid who goes to
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  Speaker 3: Snow College and then wants to transfer to Utah State
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  Speaker 3: and then doesn't work out there, so he transfers to
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  Speaker 3: to Utah Valley. You know, he's not making a bazillion
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  Speaker 3: dollars doing that. He's just trying to find a home.
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  Speaker 3: Right However, the kid who is committing to a school,
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  Speaker 3: signing a contract and then going back on that because
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  Speaker 3: another school offers him a million dollars a million and
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  Speaker 3: a half dollars and then that school all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden doesn't come through on that deal, and there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: in place. There's no guardrails, right, leaders see around corners.
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  Speaker 3: This is what we talked about. There is currently no
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  Speaker 3: guardrails in place for these contract disputes, for the NCAA
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  Speaker 3: or any body to be a mediator in that. So
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  Speaker 3: we see the like the Rob Wright situation where he
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  Speaker 3: signed a contract yeah to play at Baylor. Now he's
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  Speaker 3: playing at EYU and if that didn't go well, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe he BYU didn't come to the agreement that he
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  Speaker 3: thought he was getting. Who is there to go through
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  Speaker 3: that process? You hire lawyers and do you sue each other?
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  Speaker 3: That's where we're at, and that's that's not where college sports.
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  Speaker 2: The winners here in all of this are attorneys. The
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  Speaker 2: attorneys in their billable hours are super super undefeated here,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm with you. You bring up really really good points.
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  Speaker 2: What we're actually concerned about is the top end of
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  Speaker 2: this market. And that's why I think Isaac targeted power basketball. Right,
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  Speaker 2: He's not talking about the Utah State and the Weaber
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  Speaker 2: State kids. He's talking about guys who are at SEC
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  Speaker 2: schools and ACC schools, and they are participating in this
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  Speaker 2: economy at some level. There are very few guys now
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  Speaker 2: on a Utah roster that are scholarship players who all
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  Speaker 2: they have is a scholarship. There are very few guys
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  Speaker 2: at BYU who are at BYU on scholarship and all
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  Speaker 2: they have is a scholarship.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these guys get a little.
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  Speaker 2: Extra here, they get a little stipend there, and it
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  Speaker 2: don't it doesn't have to be seven or eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the AJA debonsa thing. I think
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  Speaker 2: your point is well made. If you're participating in this economy,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be some kind of guardrail in place,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately the adults in the room have failed that.
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  Speaker 2: Even the people who thought they were doing what was
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  Speaker 2: right for the players didn't fully anticipate what a mess
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  Speaker 2: they were creating for players. There's going to be real
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  Speaker 2: world ramifications, by the way, like our actual economy, our government,
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  Speaker 2: our education system or whatever is going to be populated
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  Speaker 2: sooner than later with people who don't know what it's
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  Speaker 2: like to just grind through the bad year at the
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  Speaker 2: job and stay there.
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  Speaker 4: Like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not only athletes.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, there's plenty of students that make up
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  Speaker 2: those but the leaders of our country have tradition, in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, been people who at least have
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  Speaker 2: some level of background in sport. And if those same
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: people are still elevating themselves into these positions we're talking about,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and we're not going to get into politics because yikes,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: but like sure, but I mean you're now going to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: have the regional man manager at enterprise rent a car
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: who just walks off the job one day because he
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't like it anymore.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: That I'm not actually not going to go in there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: That's too specific.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: But you don't want to, you don't want to get
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: into politics. Where are you flying this weekend?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Well I was supposed to be flying through cutter or
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Qatar and guess what you can't now? Yeah, my original
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: flight plan Salt Lake to JFK, JFK to Doha, Doha
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: to and Tebbe, Uganda.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Guess where you can't go through right now? Yep? Okay Oha.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Anyway, back to what we're talking about, not the derail
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: you the thing that is going to save is the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: wrong word, but the thing that is going to disincentivize
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: this stop. This is that you are going to have
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to give to people. Hey, I'm giving you a scholarship,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm also giving you fifty grand, hundred grand, two
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: hundred grand, million, whatever. But this is not a one
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: year deal, right, This is a multi year contract, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: if you're not going to fulfill it, you're gonna pay
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: me back. Brendan Soresby is being sued right now by
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati. He's in love with Texas. They
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: got springball starting next week. He's going to be slinging
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the ball around. He's going to be doing his thing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: He Brendon Soarsby is supposed to be the top quarterback
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve next year. Cincinnati says, great, cool,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you owe us a million dollars.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Right, and that one, that's when we're getting real crazy
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: because Texas Tech has the the knee to do so
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: they kind of knew that. They knew that was coming sure, right,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati had kind of said, hey, Brandon, we had a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: deal here and is yeah, we know Texas Tech's gonna
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: get a handle that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: So even then it's probably not super enforceable and your
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: agent and your lawyer's to.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Buy out though it's yeah, that's then we're you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: we're in the adult space.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And now we're talking about things that actually kind of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: makes sense. And but that is the only way to
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: get this number from twenty two back to like two hundred,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and I hate that that's the only way, but it
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: is the only way, by the way.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Richie Saunders is one of these twenty two right, Uh yeah, Richie,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he would be.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabernari has come on several times and talked about
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: what a dying breed he is, and I nodded along
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and said, you're absolutely right, Jonathan, he is a dying breed.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: My bad JT. I had no idea how accurate that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: statement was. If I'm correct, he is one of five
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: players in all of Big twelve basketball who started and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: finished at the same place. And part of me loves
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: this free market system because in the world that you're
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: about to live in, when you graduate school, you can
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: go work wherever you want, and what you do is
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you go work for the place that's paying you the most,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and you go work for the place that has the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: best benefits.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And that's what these kids are doing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: They're participating in the grown up world before they get
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to the grown up world, but also the grown up
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: world is going to come slamming into their faces when
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: they realize, like, oh wait, I actually have to carry
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: through these commitments. I signed this paper. That means now
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: it used to be one year. That means now I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: gotta stay for two years. Now I gotta stay for
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: three years. Now I gotta stay for four years. It's happened.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Some schools have done right. Tennessee gave Nico Iyamalayava gave
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: him a four year deal, right, and then he's like,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: now I want more money, like kick rocks kid, you agreed,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and they didn't come after him for more when he
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: left they he wanted more, He wanted to renegotiate, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: they were just like, no, you're not good enough. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: he wasn't to be demanding more money, but the market
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: had changed, and so they thankfully stood solid and said, no,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you agreed to play for us for two million dollars
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: per year. We're going to give you two million dollars
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: per year. And he's like, fine, I'll go test the market.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And what did the market do to him?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It sent him all the way down.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: To the eleventh best team in the Big ten.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: To live in La. Though he did, he didn't get
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to live in LA and still make good money.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that is the adult part of it,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: right where you are no longer a eighteen year old
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: high school player. You're you're in the in the real world.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: This is a million, billion, billions of dollar economy that
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you now have to operate as such. And yeah, you'll
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: have I hope more Richie Saunders in the future when
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: some of this gets together and guys like that, when
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: they're done, they will have that experience and they'll be
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: able to go on and run the largest potato dynasty
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: The Tater Todd King. Look again, I know you.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I have a tendency to do this be like, well
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: this I I teeter at the edge of the slippery
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: slope all the time. I walk at the edge of that,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and I acknowledge it's there.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You're an habitual linestepper.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And I like to be like, hey, this is bad
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: for all of us. This beyond sports could be bad
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: for all of us. And I go into these weird
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: tangents in my own head and even on air where
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: people are just like, what are you talking about? Like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: this is college hoops that has nothing to do with
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the company I'm going to work for in ten years.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I still don't believe that's true.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Right, here's where it will matter, and here's where franchises
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: have to make decisions. We're seeing this sort of attitude
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: develop and be cultivated by the way from the time
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: kids are ten years old or sooner, that you are
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: more important than the team. You are more important than
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the program. You are more important and your your priorities,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: your bottom line is the only thing for you to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: care about.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Is the only thing you need to worry about.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And look, I don't fully disagree with that in a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: lot of cases, but we've got Gordy Chiesa in studio
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: for the next hour, and it is going to have
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: ramifications for these people at the pro level. Right because
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the NFL, the NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL Hockey, they
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: are populated with GMS personnel departments, team owners, coaches who
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: don't don't want that attitude. They want your talent, but
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: they don't want the attitude that the only thing that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: matters is my satisfaction and my bank account.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: They still want team players.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Now, they will deal with a whole lot of you
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: know what if you're talented enough. But these organizations still
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: want people who have some sense of what loyalty is
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, have some sense of the greater good,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: some sense of what the team, and they're willing to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: pay for it, and those contracts and those collective bargaining
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: agreements are in place to do so. And that is
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: what's absent in college sports right now. But when you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: go from that system, from the free for all system,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: into one where now your tantrum doesn't mean a dang
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: thing except that the people around you aren't gonna like
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you anymore. You could throw your tantrum. It's like, cool, man,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you're still here for four more years. You sign the contract.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You sure you want to throw that tantrum? Right, I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: going to go out and demand a trade, all right, fun,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: you've just devalued yourself and ruined your relationship with this
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: entire organization and potentially all the other NBA teams out there.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: And you speak of like NFL gms that that process
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: before they draft a player, before they make a multimillion
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: dollar investment, that they have to now ensure for life,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that they have to do all these things for before
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: they make that investment, dude, they ask you, like, what
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: cartoons you watched on Nickelodeon? Right, You don't think they're
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: going to ask why you played at three schools in
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: four years and all your coaches are hesitant to give
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: positive answers about you. That's that's the real world we're
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: talking about. Yes, in the job market, I could go
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: take a job right now at the other station, right,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and then I could go and move on to another
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: one and another one. But at some point that next
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: hiring person they're gonna be like, what's going on here? Yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: why can't you get along with everyone? Now that's a
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: different topic of conversation, but I'm here. I'm staying here
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: for now.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So Pat McAfee has been like this gold standard of
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a personal economy in the sports media space. There's no
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: one can say he's anything but a great success. But
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people in the industry who are
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: waiting for it to fall apart at ESPN because it
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: has everywhere else. Yeah, because and he is so hyper
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: talented and such a big draw that everybody's willing to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: assume that risk. That's not every basketball player, that's certainly
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: not every football player.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: There's a there's way.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Too many people who are not talented enough to act
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the way that they act.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And that's not just in sports, by the way.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: We all know these people in real life, right, We've
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: all you've all gone on dates with the man or
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: woman that you're just like, Hey, you are not attractive
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: or appealing or interesting enough to be acting this way.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: This You you don't realize what you're doing right now
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: because you don't have an accurate self image of how
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: you can get away with talking to the waiter that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: way and think I'm just gonna ignore it because you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that handsome, you're that pretty.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And you're not a very good punter either. All right,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: We're lucky enough to have Gordy Chase in studio with
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: us today, and he might be driving around in your
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: car going, wait, it's it's Wednesday. That's right, Thursday, you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: tell women's basketball Big twelve Women's Tournament underway. So Utah
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: will be playing the winner of BYU and Houston, who.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Tip off just a little bit later today.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking with Gavin Peterson, by the way,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: ahead of his Big twelve matchup. They doesn't know who
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he's gonna play yet, So that means my show tomorrow
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: goes until twelve fifteen. Twelve fifteen Pregame with Tyson Ewing
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and Company starts right here on your home with the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: UTSPN seven hundred and ninety. And because of that, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: can't I'm not gonna go a week during basketball season
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: only chatting with Gordy Chaza for like ten minutes. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: he was kind of enough to come in studio with
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: us today, brought to you by a Ladin Industries, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: we're happy to have him.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Gordy, how are.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: You, Sewan? I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You were listening to me rant about that crazy stat
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: we pulled out. Twenty two players are finishing their college
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: basketball careers the same place they started. That's in Power
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: five basketball, that's in major conference basketball. The numbers much
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: lower than I ever thought it was. I could have
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: done the work myself and figured it out, but I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: didn't because I'm lazy.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It's a drastic comparison to where we were at five
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: years ago in college hoops, ten years ago in college
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: hoops and college hoops, it'd be like, hey, there's twenty
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: two players who didn't finish out the same place they started.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And now that's totally flipped on its head very much.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Ye, it's troubling, and that's the new NCAA, and that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: the new h As far as with the nil money,
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: people try and spring all the time. Also, there's no
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: more as far as showing building up a culture. It's
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: almost like eight year your team almost like changes. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: do you know the expression, well, our DNA is based
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: on this and with all those guys leaving all the time,
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: there's really no almost like senior leadership, which means that
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: basically the head coach of that university is also the
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: head coach and the team captain because there's nobody there
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: as a senior or a junior. Been a program for two, three,
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: four years, that tells the younger players this is how
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: we do things, and that's troubling.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Also it's funny because I mean, we Kyle Whittingham talked
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: about this at nauseum for the last two or three years,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and we were talking about a football team that had
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: basically a fifty to fifty split. Right half the bodies
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on that roster were new every year. Now, some other
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: places they brought in as many as seventy seventy five
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: new players for you, h was like slightly less than
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty in most years, and even in that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: case where you have fifty guys that were there last
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: year and probably twenty or thirty that have been there
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: for multiple years, he talked about how difficult it is
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to establish a culture, especially for a program where culture
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: really was everything right. It's not we didn't get the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: most talented guys out of high school. It's not we're
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: paying the most, it's we do things a certain way,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and lamented the fact like it's harder and harder to
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to integrate these new guys because there's fewer old guys
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to tell them this is how we do things in
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: college basketball. That's again, that was with twenty to fifty
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: guys who did know. Now we're talking about teams in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big East,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the SEC who don't have even one of those guys.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So culture is that is team culture. Now, just like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a made up catchphrase, it doesn't apply in college hoops.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: It applies not as dramatically it once did. So example,
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: as you're talking right now thinking about a school that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: not in the Power of five, but they could be
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: national champions almost every year they contend.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: That's Gonzaga.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: So Gonzaga teams like that that they're not because they
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: didn't have football either as the Big East though, but
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Big East is as far as a major basketball conference
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: is that Gonzaga types schools and the university Dayton schools,
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: Saint Louis University schools like that that can still build
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: up a culture. And again for the listeners right now,
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: what's a culture, it's this, It's this body as a
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: unison of the players that do all the little intangibles,
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: the attention to detail, and they do it from a
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: team standpoint. And as always in the culture, what you
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: want to do is have individual talents stand out, but
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: within the within the framework of a of a team unity.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: And that's where it gets so interesting, and that's how
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: those teams usually win close games.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Sewan.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: The better your culture is, the more close games you're successful.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: And as in any sport, so again in football is
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: showing the preaching penalties, you're you're in the you're in
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: the red zone. So suddenly the lesser teams are discipline.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: There's always penalties. In basketball, you get you get early
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: foul trouble because you have no technique as far as
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: guarding somebody, so suddenly people make passive moves and you're
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: still fouling them. And these are all things that the
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: teams that have culture, and culture is also another word
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: to be that the high level of character, and that's
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: why those teams are successful and most times they overachieve.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: So the questions always is how can we go and
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: get back to that the nil would be here for
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: is here forever, that's the first premise. But how can
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: they make some adjustment to the rules that they have
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: less transferring and more people going to school for the
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: right reasons, and that's why to be educated again naive Sean,
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: I am absolutely not, but you go to college to
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: be educated. That's what he called showing higher education. That's
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: the reason why.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: A good text came in on the text line eight
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred debt. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: think does a good job of encapsulating what I was
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: talking about and what I wanted to ask you about
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: with respect to how professional teams, professional franchises, and the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: leagues themselves are going to handle this trend in college
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: sports twenty four ninety two says, It's true that as
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: an adult you can go work at different places wherever
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you want, but there can be consequences for that too.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: As a hiring manager, when I see somebody that job
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: hops year after year after year, I don't always call
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: them for an interview because I figure they have no loyalty,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: no sense of commitment, and why would I want to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: employ them.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: For a short time. Now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: In the NBA and in the NFL, we're talking about
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: drafting people, not interviewing them, but there is an interview
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: portion to that as well, and a lot of it
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: is just like, hey, how talented are you, especially when
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the elite elite, the very very top guys.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So this in the.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: NFL draft probably applies more to like the third round
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and down picks that it does to the first round talents.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: And you'd have to tell me where that line is
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. But pro franchises have to have some
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: thoughts on this, on this trend, on the guy who
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: played at four schools in four years or five schools
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: in six years or whatever, And it's not something that
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I think the grown ups are talking about to these
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: kids who have realistic hopes to play pro sports like
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: cool man awesome, that's wonderful, and I'm glad you're getting
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: money in college too. But the New England Patriots aren't
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: calling you if you play at five different schools, or
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics don't want someone who bounced around every
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: single year. Maybe they do, though, maybe these franchises don't care.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You tell me where the NBA sits at. Please, no,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they care. Absolutely. The better teams that usually win are
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: highly competitive. They base a lot of things.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: One, it's always talent and the and the NBA and
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: the NFL.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Talent prevails.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: So within that talent, though, you have to have an
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: element of character and an understanding about teamwork and understanding
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: about sometimes sacrificing your individual ability for the betterment of
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: the team. And once you once you realize that there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: something larger than myself as a as a an elite athlete,
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: that's when the main guys drive winning, because then the
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: lesser players in the group they see that the talented
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: scorers are trying to do all the little things that
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: make teams win. And so it's one character as far
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: as it's two his character and one is talent. Now,
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: drafting somebody that's a factor. So that Sean, you said
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: in the NFL the third round picks, now suddenly it's
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: a little bit lesser talent and more character and be
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: specific as far as a position, as far as in
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: need and basketball just generally speaking, most times it's the
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: twentieth pick and down, meaning up to twenty twenty one.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: So the line is basically visible at twenty and above.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: That's when you think we think about where a guy's
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: more of a system player that we could put in
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: our system as a defensive minded a wingman or a
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: willing screen, a high intensity rebounder for our second unit.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: So twenty and above that would be it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: We were talking about that with the the NFL scouting
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: combine that just finished this past weekend, where like, you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you've got Spencer Fano from the University of Utah, who's
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: he's in that We're just going to draft the talent
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: right here and thankfully for whoever gets him.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: He's also a super high character guy.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: He loves the game of football, and I know teams
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: are looking for that when you get down where his
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: teammate Caleb Lomu is projected to go late first round.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Whatever fit might feel a little bit more important. And
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: we're talking about system fit, we're talking about scheme fit,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: but the character fit further down that draft, I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: becomes something that teams have to look at because you're
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: not an outlier anymore with your physical traits. Right, if
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I were an NFL GM, I'm not pretending I'm above this.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: If I were an NFLGM and the guy that ran
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: four two five but I thought was maybe gonna take
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: some work from a personality front, I would do.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: The same thing the NFL does. I would draft that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: guy be like.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I'll get my guys, I'll get my veterans, I'll get
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: my coaches to get in touch with this kid and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to figure out what he actually needs to where he's
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: gonna love the game of football. So I understand why
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the disconnect happens. But man, if you're not one of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: those guys, and we're talking about a college hoop stat
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: where twenty two players finished the same school they started at,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: which means hundreds and hundreds of them, we're kind of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: bouncing around and doing their thing. And me first, you
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: gotta be really, really really talented for a pro team
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: to allow you to have that me first mentality.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: Yes, so right now. Seawan's also alluding to this year's
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty sixth draft and the person's name is Darren
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Peterson University of Kansas, meaning KYU, and that he's an
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: ultra talented player. Absolutely, he's in the score probably twenty
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: points per game in the NBA.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Once he enters the league. The question is on what team.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: And there's some issues right now as far as not
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: his issue as far as sitting out and not playing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: Is it because he's actually heard, is it because of
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: other issues? So that's why teams will do, including the Jazz,
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: they will do absolutely incredible intel about him and make
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: a value judgment as far as taking him. But even
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: if the intel is a little bit shaky as far
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: as well he's not a type of guy, he'll be
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: drafted either one, two or three. So because his talent
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: level supersedes anything, and then you are hopeful be around
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: other people with character that as the maturity index kicks
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: in at age twenty one, twenty three, twenty four, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: that there's very little ft all collaudal damage to the
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: internal group that the talent level will submit so suddenly
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: emerge with also in cohesion with the maturity equals wide
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: an elite player.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: We got Gordon Chase in studio with us right now
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: here on ESPN seven hundred ninety to twenty FM. Adrian
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Denny's gonna join us for some between the pipes coming
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: off of Mammoth Win last night on the road. That's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: at one Gavin Peterson, Utah women's basketball coach at one thirty.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: That's what you got for the rest of the show.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So we were just talking about the potential disconnect that
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: happens with these transfer these chronic transferring athletes and the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: leadership in the front office of a team as the NBA,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and we were also throwing the NFL in there, trying
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to evaluate things that are you know, they don't show
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: up on the measurables. You can't time somebody's loyalty, right,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: How good of a teammate is that, Well, you're going
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to try to assess that in interviews.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You're going to talk to his former coaches in the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: modern area.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: You got to talk to four or five different guys
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to get that sense, right. My question for you in
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the NBA, it's obviously it's a very young man's league
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and there's plenty of international players as well. But talking
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: about the pipeline from NCAA basketball to NBA basketball, how
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: big of a disconnect is there between the old players,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the older generation player, the guys who are in their
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: late twenties and early thirties who never lived in this system.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: If they did go to college, they never lived in
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: this system, and the young guys that are coming in.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Because if you're a Lebron James, and he's obviously the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: elder statesman of the league as a whole and certainly
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: his own team, if you're a Lebron James, you never
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: did the college thing at all. You certainly didn't transfer
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: around all over the place. Now, he had his own
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: conversations in his NBA career about loyalty because of his
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: decision to go to Miami and then he came back
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to Cleveland and all that stuff. But not just him,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Steph Whoever, these guys that are getting a little bit
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: longer in the tooth in the NBA, how big of
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a disconnect is there Once these young guys, these me
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: first guys get to a locker room in the NBA.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: A whole bunch And the reason why is the generational laps.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: To think about sake, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Lebron, James
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Lebron's forty one. Steph is thirty seven, Kd is thirty
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: eight years old. And so these guys either played in
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: college Lebron did not. And now there's roughly minimum a
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: ten year difference as far as a group and more
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: importantly life experiences. That's both on the court, on the
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: football field, on the baseball diamond versus the young fellas
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: that are now on their team, and so like anything else,
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: that the older guys have to be able to connect
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: with the younger guys, and the younger guys have to
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: be willing to listen. And I don't mean like idolize
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: the older guys because growing up that was so and
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: so with say sports hero or I'm trying to beat
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: him out a position, and that I'm going to take
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: over his spot on the team, etc. Where it could
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: be some sort of rivalry. I'm talking about just healthy
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: in the locker room, as far as you respect your
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: teammates and that you try to communicate and so much
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: as what it's just listening to people what they're saying,
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: and then you assess if they think that they're right
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: or wrong, or if you're a position of a leadership,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: which most veteran players do, that they're going to guide
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: the younger fellas about this is how we do it
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: here on a winning team, and that's the catchword winning
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: team on lesser teams, showing unfortunately the younger guys have
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: way too much of a voice, and that they influence
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: everyone else and most most of the times they really
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: are ill advised themselves how this whole thing works. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: then then that's what happens when you're a young fellaw
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: and you're offensive minded, and for some reason your teammates
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: the playoffs. You get to the playoff situation and you
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: can't believe that suddenly, wait a second, this is different
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: than the regular season, and you struggle because you weren't
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: ready mentally and physically to play. Even though the veteran
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: players said to you that this is a whole different thing,
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: you weren't listening. That's what shots I called invisible imuffs.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: Sun.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see, I've worn those a couple of times, so.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: A lot of times. Young people. Again, I'm painting the
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: portrait right now with one broad stroke. They yes, they're
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: saying yes, nodding their head verbally visually, however, you know
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: they're not really listening invisible emufs.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, we were talking about this stuff off air, and
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I was expressing my my shot that the number of
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: transfer players you mean.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Your rent was so yes, was so high.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then you said, well that's where we have
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: this with one particular draft year in the NBA as well.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: You highlighted the twenty eighteen draft as a class that
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of continuity. For the guys that
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: are now in their physical athletic primes, they're not where
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: they started in the NBA.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: So the eighteen draft, so this player is roughly right now,
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: are between twenty six and twenty eight years young, including
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: guys like look at dantege Trey, young players like that
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: Jaron Jackson jazz player right now. So that's those are
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: the guys like that. So at sixty guys that were
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: drafted in June twenty eighteen, only one player remains on
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: the original team that drafted them, and that is Mitchell
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: Robinson of the New York Knicks, who's a big guy
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: as a hustle player to his credit, and he just
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: runs the floor and tries to get stick back rebounds
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: as a willing screener and a law pass option. So
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: the other fifty nine players are either on different teams
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: out of the NBA or playing in Europe. So that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: what happens as far as attrition, is that those high
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: draft picks those original teams may be signing for the
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: first contract as far as the extension, but in the
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: second one they did not. And that's what shows you
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: that character does matter. It does even though talent prevails
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: the intangibles. All of us in sports we understand that
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: it's not besides the talent. You have to have these
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: little things that every good team does and players do, like,
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: for example, we'll say, shown in football, all right, and
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: you're a football person to the extraordinary, all right? Show
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: Sometimes when the star running back stays in block coverage
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: and they want block for the quarterback.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: For the team, it's uplifting.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying every player, I'm not saying that, but
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: every once in a while, right, and that shows everyone
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: else that that the star running back, he's what one
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: of us. In basketball, the ultimate is when the star
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: player is willing to take a charge consistently when there's
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: three against one in transition and he's back pending on
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: defense and he steps up to the out of control
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: driver and he might get bodily harmed. He steps in
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: for a charge, and the whole team says, wait a second.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: If our guy is averaging twenty nine points a game,
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: he can do it, soil can eye. Well, I'm averaging
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: only eleven points a game. If he can do it,
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: so can I. And that's what that's part of team building, chemistry, etc.
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: These are all the intangibles that the winning teams have
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: just described. For example, in the present tense, that's the thunder.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Those guys, all those guys play in tangibles. And yesteryear,
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: that was the Jazz for twenty years when the Jazz
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: made the playoffs for twenty straight years in a row,
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: which is hard to do, and they did it. And
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: then also let's give a shout out to also to
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: what a Jazz friendly rival in a great way, the
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: San Antonio Spurs. They've done it for thirty years, those guys,
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: and that's why those.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: Teams usually win.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: And when Michael Jordan with the Bulls when he was
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: there and Scotti pitpen Sean, you can just watch when
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: the Bulls played Remember yesteryear when Scotti pittpen would step
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: in for a charge against Carl Malone in a playoff
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: games and take it on the chest against Carl where
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: it calls like a locomotive coming down in transition and
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: Pitten would step in. That's why teams win overchieve or
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: some teams win championships.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: So I want to highlight the players in that twenty
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: eighteen draft just so that we can. So you already
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: mentioned this again, but it was all fair the number
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: one overall and that twenty eighteen draft. Again, only one
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: of these guys drafted in the first or second round
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: is still with the franchise they started with. In the NBA,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: DeAndre Ayton was the number one overall pick, then it
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: was Badley Luca went number three. Now obviously that changed
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: last year, so uh. And then Jaren Jackson Jr. He
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: was the fourth overall pick, so until earlier this year
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: he was with his same team. That changed just now
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Trey Young, same thing. He was number five pick going
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: to Atlanta. And then you got, you know a bunch
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of people who are all in different spots. But this
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: is the Colin Sexton draft. This is the SGA draft.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: This is when Michael Porter Junior came into the league,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Dante DiVincenzo. There's some really good players here and not
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: one of them, well, just one of them is still
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: with the same team that they started with.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: It tells the story, Sean about character and about fitting
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: in being part of a winning system. Or I'm a
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: star player and I can help the system by the
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: way I play, But how I master the intangibles of
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: all the little things. And that's why it's so important
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: that you draft people one absolutely based on talent level,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: and two if they have some level of character and
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: that they're willing to sacrifice just a ten per center
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: of the individuality for the betterment of the team. Usually,
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: speaking Sean, those guys are scorers. So I always tell
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: us the scorers is that we want you to score
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: the ball, actually do best. But all we ask of
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: you is to is to do it when you're out
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: of team rhythm. So example, when they're if you just
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: come down and just fire a jump shot because you're
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: the star player and you feel like it, that means
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: that four other players on your team on the floor
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: at that time, there being highly paid spectators, they're just watching.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they might crash the boards and try to
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: get an offensive rebound, but they're generally speaking, they're flat
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: footed and they're not playing to the athletic or skill strength.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: So we tell the star player, is that through the
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: exact same shot, but out of team rhythm, first screen,
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: first cut, ball goes from one side to the second
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: side to the third side. That's when you're any sport,
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: you want to be able to operate in space, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: that's when a guy can make go one. We call
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: that organized one on one where we encourage you to
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: do that so that everyone else touched that ball at
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: least some of the time of the possessions, and that
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: our rebounders can carve out space and we can balance
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: the floor defensively. It sounds so simple, but showing it
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: gets cloudy and interpretation.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Gordy's hanging out with us for another half hour. The
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Jazz pick in twenty eighteen. By the way, in the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: first round, Grayson Allen no longer with Utah Jazz, obviously
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: still in the league. Though the hot launch is usually here. Right.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: We have a slight delay on the high lunch, not
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: because of burger fusion, but because our guy DJ got
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: stuck in traffic. But listen to this. This is a
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: high honor for me. Burger Fusion, that trolley square, incredible menu.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Everything I've tried on the menu so far has been excellent,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: even things that I wouldn't probably order myself, because I'm
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: going with like, you know, they have the peanut butter
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: and jelly burger, I'm going with that, right The roasted
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: garlic parmesan burger that they brought yesterday, that's the burger
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: of the week. I'm hoping that goes on the menu permanently.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: These mozzarella squares and the Havardi fried pickles, everything has
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: been excellent, tallow fried homemade fries and chips. I've loved
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: it all. And Mike is kind enough. I'm just being
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: told this.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Today. The special is something.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: That apparently I have a vote on whether or not
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: it goes permanently on the Burger Fusion menu.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And it's not a burger.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It's a hot dog, a burnt and all beef brisket
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: sausage served on a bun like a hot dog, with
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: all the fixings, the toppings, and some more homemade fries.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So that's what's headed here for the hot lunch. I
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: just wanted to make I'm gonna talk about it when
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: it gets here too. But the hot lunch is the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: end of our number one, and the hot lunch from
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Burger Fusion sounds like it's going to be a mouthwatering,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: delectable treat. And Gordy is always the best kind of
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: guest because we offer him not just a courtesy offer.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: We always offer him, hey, would you like to share this?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And every time he says no, I don't want to.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want to steal your food.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Sean. I want to be part of you,
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: run your parade.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: I don't you know what.
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: I'm envious dog the second I'm I'm I'm really I'm
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: getting shakes right now thinking about this food, how good
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: it is.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: It's funny because, uh, we're so selfish with our food
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: in the United States of America. It's like it's like
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: insulting in other countries if if someone who's hosting you
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: offers you food and you say no, But around here
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: we're glad. Oh, Gordy, would you like to trust some
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: of the lasagna? Would you like to try this burger?
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Would you like to try some of these fries? I'm
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: offering it. I'm secretly hoping he's gonna say no, and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: he does every single time.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome our number two here on the Show
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Gordon Chiez is still here with us, thankfully because we
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: got some postseason awards prognostication to talk about. I also
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: want to catch you with this, blindside you with this.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I saw this stat. The bottom teams in the NBA
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: right now are collectively on all the tanking teams are
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: on an zero to forty losing streak right now, obviously
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: by design, but everyone that's racing to the bottom is
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: racing there pretty effectively. The bottom teams in the NBA
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: haven't won a game in forty games.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty wild, yes it is.
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  Speaker 7: And add to that so right now as we speak,
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  Speaker 7: he just just some of the teams nets have lost
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  Speaker 7: nine games in a row, just six Wizards, six Pacers,
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: six Maps, four and the Kings have and the Kings
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: have lost so many games. But they they want they
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: won a game the other day and to stop their
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  Speaker 7: their fifteen game losing streak. So these teams, the players
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  Speaker 7: on the court, they do want to win, so they
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: are playing hards. The guys actually playing the game are
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: playing hard and trying to win, but it's not. It's
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: not really the first string guys. And that's what makes
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: it so interesting. So, for example, the Jazz played tonight
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: in seventy six is they're banged up. They lost by
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: forty points last night to the Spurs, so that's it
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: in their world. That was last night. They played at
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: Jazz tonight. Then the Jazz played Thursday night against the Wizards.
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: So both teams are on a losing streak with have
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: lost six in a row. So Thursday night someone has
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: to win that game. So just by the fact of
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: the matter, and so we'll find out who's gonna be.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into this conversation about the postseason awards,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and we kind of we touched on it last week
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: talking about how close really really good players, the best
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: players in the league. Some of them were being ineligible
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: because of the minimum games rule, as you have to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: play sixty five games in order to qualify for these
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  Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year, all NBA MVP, all these things,
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  Speaker 2: and that changes the race a little bit. You have
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  Speaker 2: some ideas, yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 7: So quickly he's the top six as far as the
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  Speaker 7: MVP race.
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  Speaker 6: And this is my opinion.
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  Speaker 7: All this is how if I was voting this, how
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: I would do that. Remember, winning is important, so that
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: most times these guys that are going to mention there
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: are on really winning teams, and these guys drive the
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: winning all right. Number six as far as MVP candidate
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: in the league, Jalen Brown of the Celtics, number five,
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: Luca Dantage of the Lakers, number four, Victor Wenbyamba of
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: the Spurs, number three, Kate Cunningham of the Pistons, Number two,
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: Nikolai Jokic of the Denver Nuggets. But he has right
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: now sixteen games missed. He misses one more game, he'll
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: be ineligible. And remember with Jokic, he's finished in the
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: MVP balloting either one or two. For the last five
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: consecutive years he's been one or two and number one
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: this year. If I was voting, I would vote sha
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Jis Alexander who's the reigning m v P again for
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: this year to be to win its two times in
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: a row. He missed eleven games. He can't miss more
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: than six games this year. Let's move on to the
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: next possible race, most Improved, which really are absolutely fun
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: award to get the number number one right now would
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: be Jalen Johnson of the Hawks. Number one, as far
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: as him getting it behind its slight too is Denny
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: Avdya of the of the Portland Trailblazers. Number three, Austin
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: Reeves number four, Keyante George of the of the Jazz.
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  Speaker 7: Number four, he's had a great season as far as playing.
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  Speaker 7: Number five, Jalen Durham of the Detroit Pistons and numberumber
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  Speaker 7: six former Jazz man to kil Walker, Alexander So again
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: the front runner. I would vote for Jellen Johnson of
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: the Hawks to a tremendous game. Rookie of the Year.
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  Speaker 7: Here we go, all right, Cooper Flagg. That guy's played
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: very well for the Dallas Mavericks. However, and listen, only
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: four I'm listening right now, only five players that are worthy.
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  Speaker 7: Number five to be rookie the voting would be Derek
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: Queen of the Pelicans, number four, Dylan Harper of the Spurs,
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: number three, j Edgecombe of the of the Philadelphia seventy sixers,
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  Speaker 7: who's not playing tonight versus the Jazz.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: There's a side note.
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  Speaker 7: Number two, Cooper Flagg, number one, Kankoinipple, his Duke teammate,
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: I would vote Kannkoinepple Cooper. I do as far as
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: this award, as far as being the rookie of the year,
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: all right, quickly.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Hold on real quick. What gives conn the edge over Cooper?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Because Cooper is the big headline name obviously, and that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: was all the controversy in the whatever, well maybe only
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: controversy frontier in Salt Lake.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: But the points stands, well, why con over Cooper?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: His team is winning right now?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: There are five hundred, which is absolutely it seems so modest,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: but it's absolutely critical. And kN Knipple he's a tremendous player.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: He said, the record history of basketball, the most three
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: point shots in rookie season. He's a knockdown shooter. And
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: he shown he's the culture of the of the Hornets.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: It's so amazing. So we talked about we mentioned earlier
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: in a different segment about the veterans creating the atmosphere.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: This guy as twenty year old rookie, he is really
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: in the locker room. He's the maturity index presence helping
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: his teammates. So I would go hit number one and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: Cooper Flagg, who's also played tremendous for the Mavericks at
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: number two had six Men of the Year. This again,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: this is the guy that comes in the game that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: he is elect that they that can score the ball
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: and can also do so many things for his team.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: I'm saying that I'm gonna listen to the five guys.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: Alex Caruso of the thunder At number five, number four,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Isaiah Steward of the Pistons, number three, Jimi Hakez of
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: the Miami Heat, number two, Nas Reed of the t Wolves.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: Number one, Kelden Johnson of the Spurs. Knockdown shooter off
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: the bench. Coach of the year, number five, Imi Yodoka.
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  Speaker 7: Number four Darko Rikotrovich from the Toronto Raptors, do a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: tremendous job. Number three vastly underrated. He's on a star team.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: His team is banged up. He got it them right
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: now to the second best record in the East. Joe
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: Mozilla of the Boston Celtics. Number two, Charles Lee of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: the Hornets, He's got them being highly competitive. And number
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: one Mitch Johnson of the Spurs should be coach of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: the year. Quick side note lest year Coach of the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: Year was Kenny Atkinson of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Defensive Player
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: of the year. Right here we go. Besides blocking shots,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: also part of it is stealing the ball, running back
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: on defense, being a talker, etc. Number six Evan Mobley,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: who last year was Defensive Player of the Year. But
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: I'm saying that these guys below him have played even
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: better than him. Number five, I'm and Thompson of the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: Rockets steal the ball? Can ball contain? Number four Dyson
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: Daniels of the Hawks. Number three, one of the most
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: underrated two way players in the NBA. He plays for
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: the Celtics. Derek White, number two for the thunder Chet
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: hungering at number two and the number one defensive player
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: of the year. We all love him, Victor went Beyamber
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: because he can play. He changes every single shot in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: a game that he can play. So these are the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: things that we talked about right now, and it could change, certainly,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: some of these things could change, and it's an honor
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: for these people. Let's not forget. In jazz basketball a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: long time ago called him alone with two time MVP
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: back in nineteen ninety seven and nineteen ninety nine. So yes,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: in jazz basketball there was some of the league MVP.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: Now Chicago Bulls said, hey, you should have been Jordan.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: That Jordan could have made eight straight awards. As far
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: as getting it, they gave it the call twice and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: Rudy got you a couple of DPO ones he did.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: Rudy Gobert absolutely three times Defensive Player of the Year
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: with the Jazz.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: They did.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, back in nineteen eighty nine. Yes, and Mark
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: Eaton It gets to believe one time he averaged five
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: blocks per game. Wild yeah per game, Malkie. And add
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: to that, Remember now, they didn't keep Defensive Player of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: the Year until nineteen seventy three seventy four season. So again,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: Bill Russell will chim in that group of people. No
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: one knows how many how many wards those guys would
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: have gotten. Remember Bill Russell, trust you when I say this.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: When people drive the lane, it was almost impossible to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: get shot up over him or Will Chamberlain almost.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I'm anti using artificial intelligence of anti AI in sports,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: but here's one place where I would like to see
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: it used. Go back, find every available piece of film
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: you can on guys like Will and Bill Russell, and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: apply modern stat making to the games that they played.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: In modern stat taking, I should say, because obviously we
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: track things now that they never had tracked. And we
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: talked about this last week with the offensive rebounds versus
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: defensive these things that were not delineated back in their day.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Put on their tape.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Let the computer watch it and say that was an
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: offensive rebound, and tell us what their modern day stats
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: would be. I like it, okay, I really do.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: I think it's great and shown there be some company
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: out there will do that. So remember showing those those
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: greeny white films you think about and the other day
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: I foolish, you know, Gordon ches really foolish body when
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: you said to somebody the other day I explained to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: him about about black and white television, you know, before
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: color came in, and also back in the late eighties,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: you know, with the you know, the different things you
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: would as far as how you take games and stuff
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: versus obviously digital to say, at least, yeah, it looked
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: at me like I was a different planet, an emphasized planet.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: I was some Pluto and they were they live on Earth.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Did you see the little argument that JJ Reddick and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: luc ahead on the breast of the day, I did. Yeah,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: it got blown up. They think out of proportion. Reddick
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: is and this is relatively normal. They have a good relationship, etc.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: You know a lot more about this stuff than we did.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: What was your interpretation, Absolutely, that's perfectly normal in a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: context on the bench. Probably what happened was that in
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: the scouting report that went over it was it ten times,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: it was a thousand times about doing a certain thing defensively,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: and probably Luca had abnesia five straight possessions during the game.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Why does he always have defensive amnesia? Okay?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: I said, that's a different discussion, And the reason why
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: is because he's a star player scoring the ball and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: he's absolutely great at it and he is past happy. However,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: to go deep in the playoffs, your star players have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: to be both sides of the ball, minimum in the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter where they got their position. Yeah, I can
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: guard this guy myself. I need no help. So JJ
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: Reddick and Luca had some words on the sideline. Trust me,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: that happens often to both players and coaches. What you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: want to do is that you want to be able
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: to go back to that player in a very calm
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: voice and try to try to explain why why you're
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: so at that moment you were met at that player,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: and that we want you to try to work it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: out as far as that, so that doesn't linger on
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: anything like that, perfectly normal. Remember I've coached a lot
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: of guys at a vauto. Absolutely that's part of the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: part of it. So again, your voice is choice how
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: you say things to people on your team, whether it's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: in the heat of the battle, whether it's in a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: quiet setting, or whether it's in a group dynamics. But
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: your voice is choice. And maybe JJ at that moment
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: he had to raise his voice to get the attention
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: of the star player.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Gordy, one of our listeners who's watching on the YouTube
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: stream wants us to compliment you on your outfit today.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: Oh I like it, thank you, I thank you. This
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: outfit is definitely New York where it's why the scoff.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Get you got a very East Coast out to you.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: Still I'm in New York. I'm a Jersey boy. I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: lived in Utah for the last thirty seven years. But
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: I bet you think I have a New York accent, Sewan,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: I bet you think that, and I do. I've never
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: lost it. I know it's weird. I agree with you. No,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: I'm laughing at myself. Trust me, No, trust me, I'm glad.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we have it because like you, if you
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: talk like the rest of us, Gore, he would be
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: a little less interesting to hear you speak.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: No, I mean a little bit sewing, I say, sincerely.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: I'm at jazz game. People say to me, I go
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: to the guy, I'll take one pretzel, and a guy
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: goes next to me. Hey, you're I know who you are.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: I know that voice. Yeah, I laughed. Hey, thanks a lot,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: thanks won to pretzel. Hey, hey want to pretzel?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Uh do you have a list today? Yes, my list today?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: Remember the jazz played tonight in the city of Brotherly Love,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: all right, meaning Philadelphia. This is the greatest Philadelphia seventy
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: six Ers players, just twelve and we'll go through this
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: list relatively quickly. But his history. In nineteen forty nine,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: the seventy Sixers didn't exist. The team was known as
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: the Nationals and they played in Syracuse, New York. In
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: nineteen sixty three, they moved from from Syracuse to Philadelphia
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: and they were rebranded as the seventy Sixers. And why
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: the seventy sixers sean is because it's after the signing
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: of the Declaration independence in seventeen seventy six. Thus they
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: need the team, the seventy six ers. The seventy sixers
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 7: have won two titles in nineteen sixty seven, in nineteen
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: eighty three. Here we go, Top twelve. He played Top
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: twelve all time, seventy six ers. He's playing tonight. He's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: a young guy, He's got a great game, his features
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: in front of him, his potential Hall of Famer eventually
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: terse MAXI six with the season right now with the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: seventy six ers, six years with them, aged twenty five,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: already two times All Star.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: Number eleven.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: Bobby Jones nineteen eighty three Champions, four time All Star,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: Hall of Fame inductee twenty nineteen. His nickname was Secretary
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: of Defense and his shown one thing about him, Bobby
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: Jones in the Hall of Fame All defensive player, never
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: received the technical foul in his career.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Never Number ten.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: Dolph Shase nineteen seventy three, Hall of Famer, twelve time
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: All Star. He retired in nineteen sixty three. So for
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: the young listeners, do you like Pawgar Sole when he
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: played in the NBA?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: That was Dolph.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: Shaves number nine, MVP twenty twenty three, the ninth greatest
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: ever seventy six er future Hall of Famer ten year
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: Korea with the seventy six ers. Joel Embiid. I know
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: he's been hurt, including tonight, pays the numbers for his
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: career with the seventy sixers, average averaging twenty seven point
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: six points per game and ten point eight rebounds for
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: ten years. Number eight all time ten years again, So again,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: the narrative is that, oh, really he is always hurt.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: You're right, I get it, you're right. But when he's healthy,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: he's great. Number eight all times seventy six Ers. Mo
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: Cheeks tremendous player leader, Hall of Fame inductee twenty eighteen
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: with the seventy six Is. Eleven seasons. He was the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: defensive player and a playmaker. Number seven Hal Greer nineteen
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: eighty two, Hall of Famer with the seventy six Is.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: Fourteen years with them, he was voted in the top
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: fifty players of all time. All right, yet in general degeneration,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: hey do you like Devin Booker right now? That was
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: Hel Grea thirty five years ago. Number six. Billy Cunningham
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: Hall of Famer in nineteen ninety excuse me, nineteen eighty
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: six inductee with the seventy six ers ninth season. He
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: was an incredible twenty five points the game scorer and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: a rebounder over eleven a game. Nickname was shown was
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: he used to call him the Kangaroo Kid because he
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: could absolutely jump in traffic over people to get rebounds.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: Number five we all know him. He's always on television
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: for the last twenty years. Hall of Famer two thousand
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: and sixth inductee Charles Barkley with the seventy six Ers
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: eight years. Number four, he just passed away recently within
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: the last year. Hall of Fame inductee in two thousand
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: and one, Moses Malone, one of the all time greatest
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: ever rebounders and scores in the NBA. Number three nickname
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: was Doctor j nineteen eighty three champions Hall of Famer
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: nineteen ninety three inductee with the seventy six ers eleventh season.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: Absolutely beloved, great all around player. The number two greatest
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: ever seventy six ers is nickname was the answer Alan
• 1:12:58
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  Speaker 7: in twenty and sixteen. And you can make a discussion
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  Speaker 7: Sean pound for pound, one of the toughest guys ever
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  Speaker 7: He changed the rules of the game because no one
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  Speaker 2: Why is Wilt not more often included in the debate
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's part of it.
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  Speaker 7: Also, is that you know the expression David versus Goliath.
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  Speaker 7: So everyone who's to gang up on him because he
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  Speaker 7: just was he was ahead of his times. You know,
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  Speaker 7: of his times.
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  Speaker 1: I liked that.
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  Speaker 6: But again, Bill Russell was also ahead of his time.
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  Speaker 1: But Bill Russell.
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  Speaker 7: Had other great teammates around him all the time. Well,
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  Speaker 7: Wilt only had him some of the time. And Bill
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  Speaker 7: Russell is six' nine about two forty wasn't like built Like.
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  Speaker 1: Wilt, sure and Also raiol build On Wilt, Chamberlin, yeah
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  Speaker 2: That there we, go all, Right, uh we Have aj debonsa. Something,
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  Speaker 2: now this is this is from The Deseret voices. Podcast
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  Speaker 2: this is not like a postgame come in after getting
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: blown out By. Cincinnati he might feel differently after last,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: night but this Is aj debonsa number one, player number two,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: player number three player in the. Country let you decide
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: talking about his, future which all of us think is
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: going to be headed to THE.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Nba but do you care about going number?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: One do you want to go number?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: One? Yeah do you think you? Will?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: WELL i might not.
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  Speaker 1: Leave what do you mean they all had not leave?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: College why?
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  Speaker 4: Not?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: NO i just gotta what out of the.
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  Speaker 6: Season so you you haven't made up your mind that
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: you're going to go into the?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Draft, now, come my mom wants me to. Graduate, really,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: YES i might not, leave BUT i might.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Leave oh, no you know the fans might might get
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: into my head talk about you, know one more, year
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: maybe three more.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: YEARS i don't, know but i'ma touch my.
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  Speaker 6: Mom, so so your mom wants you to stay and.
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  Speaker 8: To get my.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: Degree, yeah why does she think it's important that you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: get your?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Degree because you, know as, moms she's thinking like post
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: basketball and you, Know god forbide if anything happens to,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: ME i always have a backup.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: HIM i think people would be shocked to hear, that,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: though because everybody's assuming you're going into the draft after the.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: SEASON i, mean, yeah they can ASSUME I i spies anything.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: A.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: J i have really really liked the way that you've
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: handled this whole thing.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Up until that.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: COMMENT i think that even though he's a great player
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: for your rival SCHOOL u tough, fans most of you
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: will have to admit that he's handled this whole number
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: one recruit in the, country one of the top players
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: in the, country, uh big time nil. Owner he's handled
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: it all with like relative grace and the plom in my,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: opinion that right there is cruel and unusual to the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: DELUSIONAL byu fan that wants to think That provo is
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: so special and that campus is so unique that someone
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: would go being a top, three top, five top one
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: perhaps pick in the UPCOMING Nba draft just to get
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: a degree from bring them on. University why must we do,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: THIS aj and anyone else who even pretends to believe?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: This what are we pretending? For your mom wants you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: to get a, Degree, well guess what when you're making
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars on YOUR nba rookie pay, scale.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: You can pay online.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Tuition you can have the professors fly to your dang
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: house wherever you end, up and guess what if The
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: jazz get.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: You they don't have to fly.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Anywhere you can just drive To provo and take some some.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Classes this is. SILLY. Aj don't do that.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Because there are probably like a tiny little percentage OF byu,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: fans the zoobiest of, zoobs who are, like, yeah he
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to, leave it's so wonderful and be AT.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Byu he doesn't want to.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Leave nobody nobody, STAYS, aj and you're not gonna. EITHER
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: i might not. Leave, Yes, no you're gonna. Leave we
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: know you're gonna. Leave don't don't put that evil on.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: People you don't think he's In Happy valley for four
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: or five. Years he's there to, stay you.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Know would be the most insane thing.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Ever IF i started the show today talking about how
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: only twenty two players finished where they started in college,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: basketball and four years from, NOW aj debonsa was that
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: guy un senior, night THE nba is just waiting, around
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: like what?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: If hello never? KNOW? Aj weirder things have happened In?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Provo Would Ryan smith pay Aj moore to play for
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: The cougars or The jazz react eight.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Seven seven three five three zero seven.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Hundred where will he make more money AT byu or
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: in THE. NBA i love the, philosophy the, idea the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: principle of SAYING i would like to speak with my
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: mother AND i would like to see what her priorities
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: for me are in education and things like.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: That you've seen the video of that, though, Right, yeah
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: he's like he's almost laughing his, ass trying to keep.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Me, like why are you even speaking these sentences for
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: the people who don't see the cheeky grin on your
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: face or don't listen with. CONTEXT i love the idea
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: of getting a college, degree but it turns out you
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: can actually get a college degree kind whenever the bleep you.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Want you don't have to be eighteen to twenty two years.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Old my mom's worried about if something happens to.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: ME, Ayj.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be just. Fine your mom knows that smart
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: lady did a good job raising.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: You this is. Cruel this is cruel to do to
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: THE byu.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Fans, also they're gonna be over you pretty quickly because
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: now they got This Bruce, branch the third, kid five
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: star basketball. Commit, now we talked about this as recently as.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yesterday i'm, like what is going on WITH? Byu and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: again you can ask that question. Today they put a
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: stinker on display Against cincinnati last.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Night what is wrong WITH?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Byu, well nothing in the recruiting, department nothing in the nil,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: space at least as it pertains the. Basketball five star,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Athlete Bruce branch sat down With Malika andrews and announced
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: he was committing to play At Brigham Young university and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: he could go anywhere he wanted to. Go he, chose,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: provo he CHOSE. Byu, now there are plenty of people
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: are out. There it's not because they're the highest. Bidder
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: it's because it's a special. Place and once Again Bruce,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: branch the third mentioned something that is, underrated not talked,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: about deliberately, ignored especially By utah.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Fans he wants to go play For Kevin.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Young he mentioned it ON espn in an interview with
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: AN nba, insider, Said, yeah EVERYONE i know is happy
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: for me Because i'm going to play for such a great.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Coach that is Still Kevin young's reputation right. Now he's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: gonna have to start winning at a higher clip if
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: he's got these five stars coming. In but that's who
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: he's that's how he's thought of right now in those,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: circles and, that my, friends combined with nil is enough
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: to get pretty much anyone to try Out, utah to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: try out the state Of, utah to try out. Provo
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: OH i. CAN i can go play for AN nba
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: coach AND i can make really good money doing. IT
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: i gotta be there for six, months eight. Months, Cool
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: i'm in.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Big. Thing congrats To, BYU i guess for getting that one. Done.
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  Speaker 2: Show when you listen to the sound of Aj, debonza
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: it is better to watch the video of aj De
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: bonsa because.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: You can tell he's not being. Serious sean O'Connell show
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  Speaker 2: Fm kind of talk a little combat. Sports Zach Partridge
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  Speaker 2: Fear Fighting championships swings by to discuss what's going on
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: not only in the national and international combat sports, space
• 1:28:07
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• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: mma et.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Cetera Zach. Partridge welcome to the. Show how are?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: You thank? You i'm. Good how are you all?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Right i'm glad we got a chance to talk because these.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: ANNOUNCEMENTS a couple of these announcements ARE i don't, know
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: a week or two, old but you AND i have
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: not yet discussed the recently announced for a By Jake
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: paul AND mvp promotions into THE mma space Where Ronda
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: rousey And Gina carano are going to be. Fighting, now
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: these two are like foundational pieces of the women's mixed
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: martial arts. Picture But gina hasn't fought in seventeen, Years
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: ronda hasn't fought in a, decade And gina's on the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: wrong side of Forty ronda's creeping up on forty Here, still.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Do they have the draw of the star power? Value
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: are you gonna watch?
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• 1:29:17
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• 1:29:20
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• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: both very legitimate fighters and we're fantastic in their own,
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  Speaker 4: right you, know you, know, ten, fifteen twenty years. AGO
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: i it doesn't do it for. Me let's just put
• 1:29:38
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• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: on and there's so many good high level fights that
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: were coming up. ON i don't know if this one
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: moves the needle for me to go and reactivate By
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  Speaker 4: netflix subscription to make SURE i can tune.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: In that's fair AND i think that there's probably more
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: than a few people who feel that. Way we're also
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: in the NATIONAL mma. World we're getting a lot of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: rumors about what's going on with The White House card
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: that for people who don't, know THE ufc is putting
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: on A White house event at a big time fight card.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: On The White house.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Lawn it is being described as a one off showcase
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: that's not even designed to be profitable for THE, usc
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: but just more of an opportunity to be on a
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: big stage and have a ton of. Attention and right
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: now there's a lot of scuttle butt around what fights
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: are actually going to be, made the potential return Of John,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: jones the potential return OF. Gsp are you buying or
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: selling the idea that we're going to get a bunch
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: of legends fighting on this.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Card i'm buying. IT i THINK i think That President
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: trump has a lot of influence on this event and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: who's going to be on the. Card, now obviously you
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: need both parties to fight fighters to agree to fight each.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: Other BUT i do think That President trump has a
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: wish list of guys that he would like to see
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: on the, card AND i think THE ufc is gonna
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: do everything they can to oblige because as just a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: fan of, fights it seems That President, trump you, know
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: he's just a fan of, fights and he a lot
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: of the guys that he enjoys seeing and wishes to,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: see is a lot of the guys that other fight
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: fans want to. See and if the whole point of
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: this is to be a one, off, special never done,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: before never done, again, event you know you might get you,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: KNOW i you, know you're probably gonna Get John. Jones
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: you're probably gonna Get connor. McGregor i've Heard hora Mosbitt
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: all start his name of coming back for one. More
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: Even Nate, diaz, LIKE i think we're gonna, get you,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: know at least four or five fights that could absolutely
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: headline a.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Card, well if you're gonna put it on The White house.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Lawn you gotta do it, different you gotta do, bigger
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: you gotta do it. Better so we'll see how that
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: thing comes. Together you have fights at one of the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: coolest VENUES i have ever seen IN mma once again this,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Weekend Masonic temple right In Salt Lake, city and our
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Guy Mike jones is at the top of this. Card
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: tell me about what's coming up this.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Weekend, yeah this is our ten year anniversary, Show so
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: this is this is a big deal For Feerce Fighting.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: Championship super excited about, It super excited to Have Mike
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: jones main event in his card against a guy that's
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: honestly a bit of a legend in his own. Right
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: most people you know from The utah area probably don't
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: know Who Tony lopez, is who he's fighting From, California But,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Sean i'm sure you. Do he fought your, Coach he
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: fought one of your, Teammates Nick rosboro a couple of,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: times and he knocked Out Ben, mola my teammate last.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Time he came To utah with a head, kick and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: you know he's this is his one hundredth or one
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: hundred he's got one hundred plus, fights you, know so
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: he's kind of coming in one more time to try
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: and be the spoiler in this main. Event AND i
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: think IT'S i think it's a ton of fun to
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: bring in kind of some ogs of of THE mma
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: game to celebrate our ten year anniversary.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Show it's. Awesome it actually kind of cracks me.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Up guys Like tony just the rules don't apply right
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: to somebody Like Tony. Lopez he shouldn't be, fighting he's too. Old,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: well he still beats. People you shouldn't fight a hundred.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Times that's too. Crazy he still. Fights he's fought literally
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: one hundred, times and he still. Wins it's wild to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: see what people like him have, done and there's only
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: a few of them in the sport where they're kind of.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Ageless it doesn't really matter how much mileage there is
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: on the.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Tires they just find a way to. Compete pretty. Crazy,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: yeah he's.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Fifty two years, old like you, said and still. Active
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: WHEN i reached out to him and offered him a,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: fight AND i, said this is the date the weight
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: Class i'm looking. For and he's a heavyweight too either,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Way so it's not like he's fighting guys that don't
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: hit hard like. He's he's consistently fighting top of the food,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: chains big, strong hard hitting, guys and he only has
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: a handful of knockouts and over one hundred fights a.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: Heavyweight and like you, said he he's made a career
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: out of breaking all the rules and being successful at
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: it with winning over two thirds of his. Fights he's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: he trains by himself in his. Garage he doesn't show
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: up with a, corner he doesn't really warm. Up he
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: kind of warms up in the first round of the,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: fights yet he wins more than he. Loses it's he's
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: he's an interesting character and he's he's been good to
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: work with. Honestly, so, uh if you haven't don't know
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: Who Tony lopez. Is is kind of like a mood
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: character coming to you, know spoil the.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Show and this is a bit of a size mismatch
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: for people who aren't fully. Aware Mike jones is but
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: considered by a lot of, people including, myself to be
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: probably the best active fighter In utah right, now or
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: one of the very few best active fighters In utah right.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Now mike is really kind of a true Middleweight and,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: yeah he's old. School he doesn't. Care he's, like just
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: give me somebody to. Fight, so, uh he's giving up
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: about five six inches of height in this.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: One he's gonna give up a bunch of reach in this. One.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Uh it's it's gonna be a wild. One but what
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: a cool main event for an anniversary.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Show, YEAH i mean It's.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: UH i feel like it. WAS i feel like it's.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Perfect So mike's a little bit, younger but you, know
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: uh and like you, said more naturally fights at one
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: eighty five at middle late so he's walking around way
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: is just fairly in that heavyweight limit you, know two
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: ten twenty Where tony's used to, fighting you know at
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: two thirty two, forty fighting guys all the way up
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: to two sixty. Five so, uh very, interesting very interesting.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: Matchup you and you, KNOW i, mean you, know you're
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: you're one Of you're one of the old guys, Now,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: sean you know when you're in the, room you guys
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: got all those. Tricks then the young guy's gotta look out.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: For.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Well Thankfully tony uh will be coming in and taking
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: on someone From.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Utah we always like to see The utah boys.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: Win who he he's coached by someone who's very much
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: Like tony and he he's probably not gonna be able
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: to Trick Mike, jones but we'll see how it plays.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Out, yeah how could people get tickets for this?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: Event H Fierce Fighting championship Dot. Com, uh you just
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: go to the the event page with the it'll say
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: tickets and pay per. View go go check out the.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Tickets when you ask for your promo, code type in
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: CODE espn for for a discount. Ticket and uh that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: you know that, Way we know you know that you
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: heard us and thought. That BUT i, mean we have
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: three title fights in the co main. Event we have
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: two pro flyweights that are both here From. Utah That
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Chris anderson's an undefeated flyweight Fighting Mar gutierrez for up From.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: Logan he's one of the most super super talented and
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: active fighters between, BOXING mma and other forms of combat
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: competition out. THERE a couple of amateur title fights gonna
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: be a lot of.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Fun The Masonic temple On march, seventh doors will open
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: at four.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Fights we'll start at.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Five Fierce Fighting championship Dot com put IN espn for
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: the discount code and to let them know where you
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: heard about. It and the reason you got your. Tickets,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: zach thanks for your. Time appreciate you, Man thank, You.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: SEAN i appreciate. You have a good.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: One That's Zach Partridge Fierce Fighting championship. Again The Masonic.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Temple just, go just go so you can be inside
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: The Masonic temple and see how, changed historic and cool
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: that old building. Is it's a really great and intimate
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: place to watch. Fights not a bad seat in the.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: House AND i know that it's like kind of a,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: cliche but it's in this grand amphitheater room and the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: bleachers go darn near straight, up so even if you're
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: in the very, top very back, row you're probably thirty
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: feet from where the action is actually happening inside the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: cage forty. Feet maybe it's a great venue we're talking,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: about like The White house apparently The pyramids Of.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Giza that's.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: RIGHT a fight event Which Greek overhoven fascinates me is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: a is a making the move. Over he fascinates me
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: more in mma than he does in. Box me, TOO
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: i wish that we were getting his. Cross Greek Overhoven
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: World Championship kickboxer for the last decade cleared out the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Heavyweight division Of glory and now he's coming over to
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Fight Alexander usik in a pro boxing bout at The
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: pyramids Of. Giza, right it takes away a huge part
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: of his skill. Set he's a massive, kicker and he
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: can't kick in boxing AND mma he.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Can't, YEAH i mean it'll be a challenge for, him for.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: Sure he's if he made the jump TO, mma i'd be,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: like look out right to the to the rest of
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: the sport in, BOXING i kind of wonder what that looks.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Like but, yeah just all these cool venues and of
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: course one here In Salt, lake The Masonic temple kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Neat all, Right welcome, Down i'm The brian O'Connor.
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  Speaker 2: Yore welcome in Our Utah mammoth, Insider adrian Dinn he
• 1:39:29
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  Speaker 2: heating And. Cooling, Adrian welcome to the studio. Again how
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: are you glad to be? Here?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Sean thanks for having me back in the.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Win Colum, baby what'd you think of the performance by
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: The Utah mammoth last?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 9: NIGHT i thought it was. SOLID i thought it was
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 9: a business like. Performance it's the game that they've had
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 9: for the last two, months coming off a game where
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 9: they don't, like they don't play, well which both of
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 9: those boxes were checked On sunday against The Chicago. Blackhawks
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: but eight and two after a loss Since december opening a,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 9: trip they've they've been strong going out on the road
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: now four straight wins to start a multi game road,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 9: trip six and two. Overall but the big picture of
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 9: IT oc, is you, know you lose that game Like,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 9: chicago come, out you Beat. Washington you're fourteen six and
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 9: one since the calendar turned to twenty twenty. Six so
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 9: the big picture scope of it is what The mammoth
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 9: have been able to manage and stay in control. Of,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 9: right one loss hasn't turned into two, losses turned into three.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 9: Losses it's one loss has turned into a win eighty
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 9: percent of the time over the last two and a half.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 9: Months they've lost two straight twice since since Early, December
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 9: so that's the that's the biggest thing is the sample
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 9: of work over the last two and a half months
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 9: has put them where they. Are and AND i thought
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 9: last night was an exclamation point that this this team's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: a playoff, team this team's ready to make that next.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 9: Step AND i thought it was impressive to go Into,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 9: washington a team two points below the playoff line with
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: a really good home, record and lead the game for
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: almost fifty.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Minutes gunther scored a, goal and he's got more goals
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: than he had all of last year with more than
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: twenty games left to, play and through the first two
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: three months of the, year his numbers were pretty pretty
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: on target of where he was last. Year but it
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: just didn't quite seem like because he didn't he didn't
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: have as many multi goal. Games there weren't as many
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: games where he was the. Star he was getting his,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: goal but he, hadn't you, know taken over a game
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: like he did early last year with the multi goal.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Performances but he's he's got that shot and when when
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: you can get the puck to him Is Clayton keller
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: did last? Night head Coach Andrei turney shook up the
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: lines a little, bit WHICH i thought it might have
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: come in the middle of the Game, friday but things
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: went so well Against, minnesota But, Koley gunther and McBain
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: that there wasn't something clicking there when When cooley came,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: back AND i THINK i think they noticed It wednesday Against.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 9: Colorado, okay let's be in a position here to move
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: some stuff Around. Minnesota that game went so Well sunday
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: was what it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Was and then they came.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: Out they Put, Schmaltz, keller and Gun through together their
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: top three scores and it got a goal in the
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 9: first ten minutes of the. Game but What Clayton keller
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 9: did on that, goal it was it was a great
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 9: breakout out by the D menev And jersey both controlling the.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Puck they go To keller and the neutral.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 9: Zone he takes one hit as he's passing it To
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: schmaltz From Ryan. Leonard schmaltz gives it back To, keller
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 9: who then takes a big hit From Tom, wilson who
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 9: hits as hard as anybody in THE, nhl and got
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 9: the putt To. Gunther so that's that's successful hockey when
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: when you're taking hits like that to make plays two
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: on one goal and be able to get that To,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 9: gunther you know is gonna score on it was was
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 9: big for The. Mammoth so good to See gunther get
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 9: that that twentieth goal of the, year surpassing last year's
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: total with twenty one games.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Left special, teams the power play especially clicking a little
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: better than it, was or we talked about this so
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: many times already this, season, like, hey penalty kills not
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: particularly right, now power plays not even bearing the kind
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: of fruit that you would hope that it would for
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: a playoff, team for a team that's contending in The,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: West and in more recent days it's they've performed better
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: in those special.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 9: Teams six power play goals in the last six, games
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 9: six for the last, seventeen AND i think they figured
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: out why it wasn't. Working right before they went into
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 9: The olympic. Break he could kind of start to see
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 9: it picking. Up and a successful power play is is
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 9: really just, urgency zipping the puck, around finding your, spots
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: finding your, shots shooting that doesn't go, in retrieve the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 9: puck and go back to work versus there was there
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: was a lot of. Perimeter they were controlling the offensive
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 9: zone on the power, play but there just wasn't much going.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: On and for The mammoth things things clicked a little
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 9: and and sometimes it just takes you, know, now this isn't,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 9: working is. It maybe we go to what the coaches
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: have been telling us this whole, time and here we,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 9: are and power plays are something because you look at
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 9: the worst power plays in THE, nhl and at the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 9: bottom of, it you got The Colorado, avalanche The Washington
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: capitals With. Alexandrovtchkin utah is not as low as they.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 9: Were they were thirty. First the six or seventeen stretches
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 9: bumped them up five spots in six.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Games, so but.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 9: There's a few teams out there trying to figure out
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 9: what's wrong with the power. Play teams you wouldn't, expect
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 9: like The Abs caps And, utah who was the top
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 9: ten team last year on the power play in THE.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: NHL vigi has twenty nine wins, now which leads THE
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: nhl that they're riding him. Hard and we've got no
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: indication that coach bar has any plans to do anything besides.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: That and you're getting down to the final twenty regular
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: season games and then we hope some playoff series and
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: attrition slash fatigue where and tearror can become more of an.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Issue is there anything that needs to be done With
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: veggie in order to make this sustainable if they're going
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: to be a playoff.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 9: Team the schedule right now is pretty pretty favorable for
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 9: a starting goalie who you want to play every? Night
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 9: The mammoth the rest of the way only have two
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 9: back to backs, left and one of them is next
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 9: week At chicago At minnesota On monday And, tuesday and
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 9: then In april they Play carolina at home and they
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 9: go To calgary on A Saturday.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Sunday so.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 9: Every other, day every couple of days you're. Playing, now
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 9: the schedule's kind of normalized a. Bit you're good to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 9: go with, him And flamelca has told the coaches, before
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 9: LIKE i could use a. Day In november he did, say,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: Look i'm a little tired here When utah was all
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 9: over the map and playing all those back to, backs
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 9: and he. Did but that game last night he might
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 9: have been the unsung story of the. Game he stopped
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 9: twenty three of twenty. Five it was the twelfth time
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 9: in his last sixteen starts he's allowed two goals or.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 9: Less like that's a recipe for, success and your goalie
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 9: allows two goals or less than seventy five percent of the.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 9: Games and even more, impressively last, night he didn't allow
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: a five on five goal To washington would score the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 9: second most five on five goals in The. League both
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 9: goals came on the power, play which is you give
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 9: back special.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: Teams washington's special teams have.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 9: Struggled they're probably due to, normalize Like utah's power, play
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 9: And UTAH'S pk was in the top ten and the
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 9: first first half of the.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Season it's it's not.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 9: Now but against the team that scored the second most
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 9: five on five goals in THE, nhl And washington didn't allow,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: one and they were really bringing it in that third.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Period he turned aside twelve.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: Shots but AS i was processing the game after and this,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 9: Morning i'm, like, Gosh famelka was really really good in that,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 9: game and he had the game Against Colorado. Wednesday i've
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 9: never been more wrong in Anything i've ever said on
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 9: the radio than on the show last week when you,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 9: said what's uh the biggest ADVANTAGE i think coming back
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 9: from the, BREAK i, said, Well famelka because he's been
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 9: over practicing at The. Olympics he didn't, play he's been taking.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 9: Pucks and Then whens AND i looked a little, rusty
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 9: and we were talking With Andre cherney After he's, like,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: yeah he was at The, olympics but he was the third,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 9: goalie so he wasn't seeing a lot of shots in,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 9: practice and the practices are, short so he flies over To.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 9: Italy this is the third goalie which is standing around
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 9: because there's only two. Nets SO i was wrong on that,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 9: one but he got it back going Against minnesota and
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 9: then everybody was Terrible, sunday and good response from from
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 9: literally every single person on the team last, night because
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 9: every single person on the team was.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Sub, subpar below.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 9: Average what other what other nice things can we say
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 9: about the?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: Game what do you?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Expect excuse, me what do you expect from tomorrow's matchup Against?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: Philadelphia The flyers are going for their four straight. Win
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 9: they're four one and two in their last. Seven they're
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 9: six points below the playoff, line but they play a
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 9: lot of low scoring. Games five of their last six
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 9: games have seen five goals total or, fewer so like
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 9: three one, games three two games in a.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Shootout they Beat toronto On.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 9: Monday Rick tockett is their their head, coach and wherever he's,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 9: gone his team's play like that strong defensively at the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: expense of the. Offense so, oh that's how their games have.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 9: Gone that's how the game Was tuesday IN DC uh
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: for The mammoth in, capitals even Though utah went into
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 9: The chicago game with four more in ten to, fifteen
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: so they can put the puck in the. Net BUT
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 9: i think you, Know philly has got their brand of game.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: Going and we remember just over a month ago they
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 9: had a four to two third period lead on The.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 9: Mammoth for Uh Nick schmaltze took a puck away from
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 9: a guy who had a wide open empty net and
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 9: was just trying to get a little closer before he shot,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 9: it and that never.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Happened so you have. That here's a fun fact for.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: YOU.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 9: Oc how about the fact that The mammoth are three
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 9: and oh all time In pennsylvania and six and oh
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 9: all time In New York. State how about dominating that.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 9: Region So i'm gonna try and make it four and
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: oh in The commonwealth OF.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Pa there's a weird satisfaction that rises in my body
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: when you'd give me those two. STATS i don't mind it,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: either because so often those those are talked about as
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: being the meaningful television markets and that's where sports are more,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: significant and things like. That, oh, really why can't you
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: beat this little upstart group From? Utah Then New, Yorkers.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: PENNSYLVANIANS i. AGREE i like, that don't mind it at.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: All metropolitan division.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: For The.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: Mammoth two games left in The eastern time zone For
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: Utah thursday And Philly saturday And columbus and they, means oh,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 9: see no more five o'clock. Starts that's, Nice so primetime
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: the rest of the, Way.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Okay trade deadline, approaches there's a lot of commerce speaking
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: In New. York Vincent trocheck seems to be the biggest
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: name that there's some buzz. Around very hilarious, anecdote by the,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: way if people have not seen, it when he was
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: apparently trying to prepare his young, son his seven year old,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: son for the possibility that he might be, traded and,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: was you, know talking to the young kid about. IT
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: i guess the Sun i'm, paraphrasing was just, like, Well
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: i've got a hockey team, HERE i haven't been, traded.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: So he's not going seven year old, boy he's staying with.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: That that Was that was. Hilarious that was.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: Great that's the minds and that's the brain of seven
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 9: year old Is i've experienced And I'm i'm sure you have.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: THAT i DON'T i don't need to.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Go he's not the only name that we could see,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: move but we'll start at the top. There what what
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: do you think this trade market is going to look.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 9: LIKE i think The mammoth have one of the deepest prospects.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: SYSTEMS i think they have some untouchable prospects and they've
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 9: also got a boatload of draft, picks so they've got
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 9: plenty that they can bring to the. Table and if
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 9: there's a deal that they want to get, Done Bill
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 9: armstrong will be able to get it done with the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 9: way that he's strategically stock quiled draft picks and prospects
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: here because you you, know you got a top five
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 9: prospect pool in THE. Nhl but if so many, prospects
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 9: not all of them are going to be able to
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 9: play in THE, nhl but they're they're attractive. Pieces which
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 9: is you know that the second best thing about having
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 9: a prospect pool is you can you can dip into
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: that there's there's untouchable prospects to, me but you you
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 9: got lots of good prospects that but lots of teams
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 9: are going to like that are going to put you
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 9: over the. Top if you're if you're going up against
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 9: somebody and there's a player that that you, want you'll
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 9: be able to get the deal.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Done when we talk, about you, know the ripple effects
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: that certain, trades certain personnel moves, have right because YOU'RE
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: i don't think That mammoth are in this particular place.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Yet but teams like The oilers or whoever might be
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: where you've flirted with ultimate, Success you've gotten to A
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Stanley Cup, Final you've you've been so so, close and
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: now you've really got to make those little tweaks and
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: you might have to make tweaks specifically to win A
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Western conference championship if You're, dallas or you might have
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: to make a tweak specifically to anticipate beating like The Florida.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Panthers if you're somebody Like. Edmonton, uh will this trade
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: deadline potentially force any of those types of conversations any
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: of those types of, Moves are those types of players
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: maybe gonna?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 9: Move you look at anything could happen and those, teams
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 9: like some teams have been better for their championship, runs
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 9: Like edmonton has made some really questionable decision with their
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 9: roster and with their salary, cap while teams Like Tampa
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 9: bay And florida have been, really really, strategic to the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 9: point That florida was able to resign their top three
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 9: unrestricted free agents last year right after The Stanley.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Cup and question was can they keep one or two of?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 9: Them AND i Think Bill, Armstrong, uh he's kind of
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 9: gone on the, record BUT i think he kind of
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 9: laughs at at at some of these. Teams and we
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 9: talked about big name teams From, Pennsylvania New york and
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 9: in THE, nhl you got big time teams From canada
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 9: and some of the things they they, Do you're just,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 9: like you sure you really want to do? That and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 9: and and that's why The mammoth are in such a
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 9: good spot because they could have Went banana On july,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 9: first and they're, LIKE i, THINK i think we'll wait
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 9: and they can make a swing.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Here and.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 9: If they they they make a blockbuster. Deal it's it's
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: gonna be somebody that they want to be part of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 9: the long term plan that's on a long, term extended,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: contract and it's going to be.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Strategic these guys are on the road right now AND.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: I haven't, heard BUT i can guarantee that That bill
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 9: and his staff are probably at the hotel in a conference,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 9: room and they haven't been seeing a whole lot of
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 9: to this point on the trip just because they're they're
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 9: looking at every, scenario taking every, call making every, call and,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 9: Uh David, ludwig the ASSISTANT gm who who is the
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 9: the salary cap czar is pop and everything into his
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 9: spreadsheet to look at what's this mean for, five, six
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: seven years down the.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: Road who else are you paying close attention to right,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: now especially in The, west because there's some red hot,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: teams there's some teams that are on shaky ground right.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: Now who is drawing your eye away from the mammoth
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: that obviously occupy a bunch of your.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 9: Time over in The, pacific question is who's going to
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 9: win the? Division who's the best team over? There you Think, vegas,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 9: right you Think, edmonton But anaheim's been, Hot seattle's been,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 9: good and you look at that in anticipation Of utah
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 9: staying in that first wildcard, spot they could potentially have
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 9: a better record than The Pacific division, champion be It, Vegas,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 9: anaheim Or. Edmonton so that's one one key importance for
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 9: you staying in that first wild card is gonna play
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 9: The Pacific division champion and you might have a better
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 9: record than they do in The Central dallas is won
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 9: ten in a. Row they've gotten. Hot avs look like
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 9: they're back and, rolling Beating la And anaheim in back
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 9: to back nights this. Week minnesota might have been affected
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 9: by The Quinn hughes publicity.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Tour did you hear about? This so.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 9: THE tsa gets back From, italy they start In, miami
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 9: they go to The White, house they, Disperse Quinn hughes
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 9: and his two, Teammates Matt bold And Brock faber fly To.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 9: Colorado wild beat The. Avs then they come, Here utah beats.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 9: Them that Was friday. Night, Saturday Quinn hughes flew from
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 9: The Twin cities To New york to Do Saturday Night
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 9: live Back wild Played Saint. Louis The blues won their
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 9: first road game in several months On, sunday and Then,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 9: Monday Quinn hughes flew back To New York city to
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 9: be on The Tonight. Show so you could tell that
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 9: was might have affected. Things friday definitely affected.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: Things.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 9: Sunday they eked out a win Against Tampa bay On,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 9: tuesday and they're off, today so we'll see if The,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 9: wild who's been kind of up and, down coming out
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 9: of the break and get back and, roll and they'd
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 9: won six straight games before The mamma snap their their
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 9: winning streak On.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: Friday that's between the, Pipes Adrian danny are U Tah
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: Mammoth insiders kind of enough to join us every single.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 9: Week thanks for coming, in, Dude thanks for having me.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 9: Man always fun to catch. Up safe travels to you
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 9: and see you next.
• 1:59:48
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• 1:59:52
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• 1:59:55
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• 1:59:59
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• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: conference tournaments in fact action underway right now In Utah
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: women's excuse, me In big Twelve Women's Basketball. Tournament utah
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: will be part of. That in their head Coach Gavin
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: peterson joins us right now on the. Show, coach how
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: are you doing?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 8: Great how are you?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: Oc i'm doing all.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: Right you're gonna have to forget me because there's gonna
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: be some cliches.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: That we throw at you.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Today you got to be playing your best basketball at tournament.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: Time it's something you hear everybody say all the. Time
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: how true is? It and how close to that do
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: you think your team?
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 8: Is you know it is very. True you want to
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 8: be peeking at the right. Time you, know we're coming
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 8: off two great wins road win In boulder Against, colorado
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: a really good team that is on the verge of
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: A quad One quad two victory FOR, us and Then
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 8: Senior night Against. Arizona so you, know going into this
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 8: tournament with two games under our belt really good to.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 8: Have and now now we've got to just see and
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 8: wait who we have to, play and, uh let's let's
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 8: go get after.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: It SO i know that the company line has to be.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Put anybody in front of us will play the possibility
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: though that it could be another crack at the in state.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: Rival does it change the way that you and your
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: team are watching this GAME byu In.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 8: HOUSTON i don't think it changes the way we watch.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 8: It will be prepared for whatever team. Wins but let's
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 8: make no mistake about. It we we got beat twice this.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 8: YEAR i think our kids are itching at the opportunity
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 8: to get one more go at. It they're a really good,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 8: team but so are we neutral site for this time of.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 8: Year everything on the. Table it's like high stakes, poker,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 8: man what. Else that's what you, want that's what you
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 8: sign up. For so it'd be a very exciting time
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 8: FOR i think both programs if we get the media
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 8: In Kansas, city so.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: The neutral side, thing they're playing tournament basketball on these
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: this this glass floor that they've already.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: Installed, Right what do you think of this as a?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: Coach and OBVIOUSLY i think the players are gonna have
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: to get used to it as.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: WELL i love. IT i love the visual of.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: IT i think it's gonna play well for the course
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: of postseason basketball and special events like.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: This but tell me what you.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 8: Think, YEAH i think it's a, great you, know step,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 8: forward being very, innovative just thinking about a lot of the, marketing,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 8: sponsorship all the things that you can do in game
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 8: while teams are in time, out in between, quarters at. Halftime,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 8: like there's endless possibilities to. IT i was told today
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 8: when we shot around early this morning at about six fifty.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: Am that's when teams make a three. Pointer the three
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 8: point line is going to just sparkle a little. Bit so,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: again a lot of in game cool features THAT i
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 8: think are exciting for the. Game and so you, know
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 8: it's cool that we get to be kind of the
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 8: first conference to roll it. Out So i'm pretty. EXCITED
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 8: i think you're right with the feel of. It the
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 8: players will have to get used to, it but you
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 8: know they're, young they can adapt pretty.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: Quickly.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: YEAH i just WHEN i see this AND i and
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Again i'm on board with. It i'm reminded of all
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: those like those videos people have of Like Steph curry
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: going around and dribbling a basketball on every square inch
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: of a, floor trying to find dead spots and. Stuff
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: And i'm, like, man they're, like if you're that persnickety
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: about what your your surface is, like this might be
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: a tough adjustment for.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: YOU i don't imagine that any of your gals are this.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: Way, no they are. Not they they'll complain about anything
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 8: if it's, slippery especially after a. Turnover, Right it's never their,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 8: fault it's the ball before the. Shoot and SO i
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 8: just get a chuckle every time BECAUSE i probably was
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 8: the same way as the.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: Players that's the stuff that in the film sessions you've
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: got at the front of the, meeting right, like that's,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: nope the floor's not wet.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: Here you just.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: Slipped oh, absolutely we Have we have film weekly and
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 8: it's called The, good The, bad and The ugly kind
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 8: of A Clint eastwood. Reference but the ugly is more the.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 8: Funny so we have the good to, bad the, funny
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 8: and if any of those type of things, happen, yeah
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: they definitely get highlighted and we get a good chuckle
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 8: out of.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: It.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: All, right back to real basketball, here tell me what
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: in these last two wins you think your team has done.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 8: Best you, KNOW i think we've moved the ball a lot.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 8: Better on the offensive. End the ball wasn't getting as.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: Sticky we did a better job for most of the
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 8: part taking care of the. Ball there have been moments
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 8: when you, know we'll go on a four possession stretch
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: of either turning it over and not getting a good quality,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 8: shot and those have gotten a lot better over the
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 8: last two. Games, so you, KNOW i think that's what
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 8: we continue to, preach is we want to continue to
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 8: move the, ball play with, pace play in space and
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 8: then just be hard to guard for our, opponent, like
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 8: don't be so. Predictable if you beat somebody off the,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 8: dribble you draw rotation off the health, defense make the extra.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 8: Pass and it's. Contagious when you play in selfish, basketball
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 8: it's very. Contagious we say the ball finds, energy and
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 8: as the ball finds, energy you make more of the
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: shots than you're going to. Miss so THAT i think
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 8: has been the best over the last two.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Games Kevin, Peterson utah women's basketball head, coach is our
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: guest here on The sean O'Connell show ahead of his
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: team In Kansas city For Big twelve tournament. Play it'll
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: be the winner OF byu And, houston and obviously here
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: on the home of The. Utes we all know who
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: we hope that. Is but here comes Another here comes
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: another cliche for, you.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: COACH i love it tournament.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: Basketball it's just different than the regular. Season how.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 8: You, know that's a great QUESTION i do. SEE i,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 8: mean over the course of, many many years as a,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 8: fan as a, coach you definitely have to rely on your.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 8: Guards it's kind of a guards tournament because of you,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 8: know the ball in their, hands their shot making ability
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 8: from three setting the table for your. Bigs SO i
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 8: feel it's different in that regard because you're gonna have
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 8: to string, in you, know three to four games in
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 8: order to get to the conference championship game or win
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: a conference. Title so you've got to be able to
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 8: take care of the, ball be able to facilitate, score
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 8: and it's night after night after. Night so that in
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 8: and of itself is. Different and we kind of went
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 8: through it a few years ago down In Las, vegas
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 8: where you, know we ran into a Hot Washington state
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 8: team and they ended up winning the conference. Tournament so
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: tournament time is different because you might not have to
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 8: be the best team in the. Conference you just have
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: to be the hot. Team and you, know sometimes all
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: it takes is one. Game so for, us you, know
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 8: we just got to go one and oh see what
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 8: we can get burning on that, fire and then we
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 8: just want to try to keep riding that flame out
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 8: all the way Until. Saturday are there.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: Any adjustments that you could make in preparation and practice
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: when it comes, to you, know anticipating kind of guard
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: dominant or even more guard dominant play in the.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 8: Tournaments, yeah for, us it's just been our pick and roll.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 8: Coverages you, know you you cannot rely on one just
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 8: because the variety of players and opponents you're going to.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: See so you kind of got to make sure that
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 8: all your defensive pick and roll coverages are in, play
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 8: ready to, go because a lot of our league is,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 8: that you, know they'll give the ball to their best
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 8: player and get out of the way kind of and
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 8: and just sett an on ball screen and and go to.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 8: Work so we've got to be dialed. In we've got
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 8: to be dialed in in our adjustments as. Well so
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 8: that's something that we've been working on the last couple of.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 8: Days and that's for all of our, opponents not just
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 8: a possible first round opponent for.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: Us how does being a bubble team for THE ncaa
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: tournament effect whatever happens for you practice game to game
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: in This Kansas City Big Twelve.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 8: Tournament you, KNOW i think it's we've taken the approach of, like,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 8: hey we can't control any of. That what we can
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 8: control is how we, play how we. Prepare you, know
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 8: the will to, win it's got to be matched by
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 8: the will to. Prepare and that's what we're worried. About
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 8: and that's all that we've been talking, about so you,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 8: know you can't control. It it is what it. Is
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 8: i'm just super proud of our, program our. Team nineteen
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 8: wins on the year for a team that didn't return one,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 8: starter relying heavily on freshman plane and some. Newcomers so
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 8: just just extremely. Proud we're not done. Yet we can
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 8: absolutely play our way into the. Tournament so that's just the.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 8: Mindset we're going to give it everything we, got take
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 8: no possessions, off just play with that intensity for forty
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 8: minutes and let the chips follow the.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: Fall we had an opportunity to catch up With Matty
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: wilkie Before Senior night and just have a conversation with her,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: about you, know her relationship with you with the team
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: being a transfer coming in but spending some time here
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: and you, know finishing, out AND i just wanted to
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: give you an opportunity, to you, know say what there
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: is to say about someone who The utah fans have
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: really come to enjoy and to, love and obviously she's
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: been a big part of this.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: Team.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely we're gonna Miss Mattie. Wilkie she is one
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 8: of the toughest basketball players That i've gotten the privilege to.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 8: Coach you, know she's a coach's dream because she's already
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 8: thinking the, game probably before we install, things before we adjust,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 8: Things so she's trying to keep up with our coaching
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 8: staff in that. Regard, also just such a great, teammate
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 8: always looking out for her, teammates and you, know every
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 8: program needs a kid like A Maddie, Wilkie And i'm
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 8: just so thankful and appreciative she Chose utah and then
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 8: her time here At. UTAH i mean you'll never be
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 8: able to take away her half court key's to peat
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 8: the team Down south last year On Senior. NIGHT i
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 8: mean that legacy will live. On i'm going to eventually
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 8: get that picture in my office and it probably will
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 8: never come.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: DOWN i don't know what the number is for women's,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: basketball BUT i saw stat yesterday THAT i was, LIKE,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: i this can't be, real this can't be. True AND
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: i know it is the, landscape AND i know we've
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: had so many conversations about the modern landscape of college.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: Basketball but the number was there are twenty two high major.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Players so you, know whatever power for power, five whatever
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: you call it in, hoops twenty two players that participated
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: in senior night as being started and ended their career
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: at the same. SCHOOL i was like that that there
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: has to be more than, That but then you look
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: at every roster and you're, like, well maybe there's. Not and,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: AGAIN i think it's slightly less, prevalent but only slightly
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: less prevalent in women's. Hoops and it is the world
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: that you live in and you're maximizing what you can
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: in this. World but HOW i, mean how? Stark how
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: crazy is? That if that status, accurate AND i think it, Is,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: yeah where are we in college?
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 8: Hoops that is pretty. Crazy it's, uh you, know fortunately for,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 8: us you, know we're kind of at that threshold now
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 8: where you, Know Maddi wikie was here for three, years,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 8: right so it almost felt like she started her career.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 8: Here Lonnie white was here two years, left one came.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 8: Back so this past, year even though they might not
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 8: have played their entire careers, here it did feel like
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 8: they poured a lot into. It so it is interesting
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 8: to hear, That and you, KNOW i just hope that
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 8: we At utah can find a great balance between continuing
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 8: to recruit high level young, kids develop, them allow them
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 8: growth on and off the, floor and allow them the
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 8: opportunity to finish out their career here at the same,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 8: time piece by, piece whatever needs may be needed each
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 8: and every. Year so it's a good balance AND i
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 8: think we can do that here and that's our. Goal
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 8: that's kind of our recruiting. Philosophy so hopefully we're not celebrating,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 8: kids you, know each and every year and they've only
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 8: been here one year At. Utah you, know that's going
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 8: to kind of damp in some of that senior night
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 8: connection that our fans and our community have with those.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 8: Players so easier said than, done but we're gonna roll
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 8: up our sleeves and try to get it.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Done, coach appreciate your.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Time i'll let you get back to the scout and
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: the preparation and watching and obviously we will be watching
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: when your team takes the floor against the winner of
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: this BY u Versus houston match.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: Up that'll be.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: Twelve thirty, tip twelve fifteen pregame On. Thursday your lady
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  Speaker 2: tournament watch right now The big Twelve Basketball tournament women's
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: basketball tournament and can The city is HAPPENING byu is
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: up forty two to thirty eight On, houston four forty
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: one left to play in the. Third the winner of
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: that game will take On utah tomorrow twelve thirty tip
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: right here on your home of the, utes which means
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: my show goes from eleven to about twelve, Fifteen so
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: we'll keep it short and then we'll send it over
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: To Tyson ewing and you can watch the glass floor in.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: Person the.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: Led floor so far is getting mixed. Reviews there's some
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: criticism that the patterns they're putting on the, floor the design,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: itself which again is something that you can program in
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: which is so wild you don't have to paint. It
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: you just like here's some ones and zeros make it
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: look like. This apparently it's been hard to see the
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: mid court line in a couple. Scenarios, also we have
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: a dead panel. Brewing according to Hoops mewse On. Twitter
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: you know what it looks like when you've GOT i don't,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: know a digital sign on the front of your building
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: and every once in a, while like part of it doesn't.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: WORK i have no idea about, that or maybe enough
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: of it doesn't work that they just turn it off.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: Completely so we've all seen these. Things when you have
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: we have a little excessive, impact it can damage the
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: particular cells that project whatever light or. Image so that
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: might be something a few kinks that have to be
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: worked out as these women's tournament, continues and maybe the
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: men's tournament. Will, well they're using a different a separate,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: floor same, floor separate, floor so we'll see how it
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: plays the rest of the. Way but my hope is
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: forty eight to thirty, nine right now in favor OF.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: Byu my hope is that it IS byu Versus utah
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: in the women's, game and we didn't talk about this
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: earlier on the. Show if the men's tournament started, today
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: meaning if all results hold, fast the first, game the
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: nine versus the sixteen in the men's game will Be
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: utah AND.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: Byu let's do. It let's do.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: It if you're gonna have an underwhelming season for the
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: man the thing that could redeem this thing to at
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: least a measure of pride is that you KNOCK byu
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: out of The big twelve tournament in the first game
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: and potentially make their case for AN ncaa. Tournament they
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: immediately become a bubble team if they don't even make
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: it to day two of their own conference. Tournament the
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: way THAT byu has been playing, lately now a lot
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: has to happen for that matchup to even be on
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: slate for the men's. Tournament but the, women as we
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: talked about With Gavin, peterson they fought tough AGAINST byu
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: in the first. One the second one kind of got
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: away from them honestly at The Huntsman. Center that, Sucks
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: but take a third crack at. It women are above
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: team right. NOW byu is also a little further down the.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: Bubble right, now bracketologists Have utah among the first four
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: out and THEN byu among the next four, out which
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: is always, funny but that's kind of where it stands right. Now,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: also we have an update on what the majeris special
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: is the culinary delights at The Big twelve. Tournaments you
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: saw that they were doing these localized sort of. Cuisine you,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: know there's like green chili nachos and green chili tater
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: tots and all this.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: Stuff AND i.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: Asked the, question, well what is A rick majeris? Special
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: AND i was hoping people would keep the answers to
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: that RELATIVELY pg On, twitter and most of you, Did.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: No you can't Do MAJERI'S.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: Pg The rick majeris special on The big twelve food.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: Menu we now have again hoops muse hooking it. Up
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: we now have knowledge of the fact it's A pastromi. Burger,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: okay that's it's a Very utah. Thing i'm okay with
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: it being that it's.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: Aba it's gonna be like shower pizza or. Something it's.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: Not it's a whole pizza you have to order while
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: you're taking a shower is The Majerira. Special we'll leave
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: the anecdotal stories to a minimum on. That The drive
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: With spence Check its is coming up. Next spence And
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: duke are both in studio now and let the let
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: the antics. Ensue as we have the both dogs in
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: here for about four minutes a, DAY.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 10: I think they're starting to get a little more familiar
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 10: with each. OTHER i, mean at some, Point rocky's just
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 10: Gonna i'm terrified at some point What rocky is probably gonna.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: Do i'm very confident in telling you That rocky's not
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: gonna do anything outside of playing.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Loudly how much.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 5: Bigger is he going to? Get is the?
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 10: QUESTION i don't. KNOW i, mean that is a massive.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 10: Dog he's not that.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: Big are you?
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: Kidding he's, big but he's not that like he's pretty
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: small for his.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: Breed, actually are you?
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 5: Serious? Yeah oh.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: WOW a lot of the males and we DID i
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: did this on.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: PURPOSE i GOT i got one with a very small
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: damn a very small. Mother oh, okay because my wife was,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: like please don't get a two hundred.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: Pound Dollar, yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 5: OKAY i was like, okay and he behaves around the, girls, Right.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: He's so sweet with my. Children that's that's, Huge that's.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Key that's all that really matters to.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 10: Me, See duke thinks he's tougher than he, is and
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 10: he he'll never follow through with.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 5: It he'll growl at, you but Then i'll just lick.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 10: You he is a very kind, yeah, exactly as will
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 10: growl at you and then then to give you a big.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 5: Hug then we're gonna hug it, out and it's all.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 10: Love our dogs are perfect parallels of our personalities and
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 10: our physical.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: Stature, yeah, Well rocky's a lot more solid and muscular
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: THAN i am these. Days you're, Pretty, Sean you're. PRETTY
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: i ranted at the beginning of my show.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: TODAY i heard a stat yeah yeah. You it blew me.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 5: AWAY i didn't see that.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: Tweet twenty two high Major power five basketball conference players
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: started where they are as freshmen and finished on senior
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: night at their respective institutions in the same spot twenty
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: two total in five. Conferences there are only five in
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: The big twelve that have done. That Richie saunders shout
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: out to.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 10: You, yep, YEAH i LUCKILY i was in my car
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 10: right at. Eleven i'm, like, OH i get here the
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 10: start Of Sean show today and that blew me. AWAY
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 10: i had no. CLUE i knew it was lower obviously
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 10: than it has been historically. Speaking, sure who's the?
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 6: Tweet who's the?
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: Gentleman you? Remember isaac? Something, okay look it up for.
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  Speaker 5: You but we just need to do away With Senior.
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  Speaker 10: Night there's no reason to even have it at this.
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  Speaker 10: POINT i, mean how many how many average you just
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  Speaker 10: athletics fans know Who Donna Kai henry And James conkoo.
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  Speaker 10: Are anyone listening to our radio station does because we
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  Speaker 10: talk a lot of you, Basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Isaac, Double underscore trotter, OKAY Cbs sports and twenty four.
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  Speaker 10: Sevens, Okay, yeah, YEAH i MEAN i knew the number was.
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  Speaker 10: LOW i was shocked when you said that on. Air and,
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  Speaker 10: YEAH i mean it's not just like do the fans
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  Speaker 10: know who these players? Are if the players here for
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 10: six months to cash? Checks does he give a rip
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  Speaker 10: about like getting emotional On Senior night when he's been
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 10: here for a handful of.
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  Speaker 2: Months there's actually some really great comments underneath the. Tweet
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  Speaker 2: Scott Van pelt asked the, QUESTION i think is a good,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: question how many across the country you have played at
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: four different schools in four years or even more than four, Schools,
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: yeah six, years because we're still dealing with THESE covid. Kids, yeah,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Right And Isaac trotter went and he looked it. Up
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  Speaker 2: nineteen high major guys who went straight four for. Four
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  Speaker 2: there was also some who went six schools in six,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: years five schools in five. Years so, yeah it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a different. Landscape and we've been talking about this at
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: nauseum and it's probably tired for some people Like.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: SPENCE i knew it was a low. Number.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah if you would have asked me BEFORE i saw that,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: tweet how many guys do you think started and? FINISHED
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: i would have been, LIKE i don't, know a couple
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: hundred at. Least, Yeah and that's probably true in the lower,
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  Speaker 2: divisions but in The Big, ten The big, twelve The Big,
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  Speaker 2: east THE, acc THE, sec THE sec had one.
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• 2:22:55
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• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: the final, two which is totally, fine or in this,
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  Speaker 2: case unfortunately Lovely christmas gift by the, way AND i
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  Speaker 10: Nice that's a good looking.
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  Speaker 10: One and not only are you on the last, one
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• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: YouTube there's a there's a structural integrity that is. Maintained
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  Speaker 10: DIDN'T i didn't realize that when we were when we come,
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• 2:23:47
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  Speaker 10: Shot i'm gonna says helpful in the, ring, right my.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: Dad one of my dad's favorite stories to tell about raising.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: Me he used to travel for. Work we lived in
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: my house In minnesota WHERE i was. Born we was
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: just a typical split level, home so we had three
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: stairs that went down from the main.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: Level into the.
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  Speaker 2: Garage concrete floor in the garage like most. Garages, right one,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: time when WHEN i WAS i think, five maybe six years,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: old my dad came home from a. Trip we were
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: excited to see. Him my brother AND i go running
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: out to the. GARAGE i trip off the top, step
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  Speaker 2: airborne land head first on the.
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  Speaker 1: Concrete huge goose egg jumps, immediately.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah so my, dad who's fresh from the, airport
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: just gets in the car and drives.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Me to the. Hospital, yeah to get my HEAD x.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: Ray, Yeah i'm a, Child i'm a small, child little chubby.
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  Speaker 1: SEAN i do the WHOLE x ray.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: Thing they come back and they say we need to
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: take ANOTHER x ray because we had him on the
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: child setting and he had a thick skull like an adult.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 5: And you're five years.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: Old that was five years.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: Old so they had to turn up THE x ray
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that they got a good picture of
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: my giant child brain, head so.
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  Speaker 5: Skull and that was the first.
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  Speaker 10: CONCUSSION i don't THINK i was, concussed, honestly do you,
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 10: know do you have any idea how? Many because between
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 10: playing football through college and then fighting for a, living,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 10: yeah you have to have a.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 5: Handful, yeah, well.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: It depends on the medical definition of a concussion IS
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: i probably had thousands of, them the actual, like, hey
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: are you? CONCUSSED i GUESS i got knocked, unconscious like
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: all the way out twice.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 5: Fighting or playing football fighting.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: Like you're, asleep you have no recollection of you don't
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: know what's happening around.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: You was three?
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  Speaker 10: Times was it from a puncher? Kick or were you choked?
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah being choked out is, differently it serves your
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: brain the same. Way but, yeah but even in those,
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: cases even WHEN i got knocked, out, YEAH i didn't
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: have like postconcussion. SYMPTOMS i didn't have light, SENSITIVITY i
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: didn't have. DIZZINESS i didn't have to like be. CAREFUL
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: i MEAN i was, careful BUT i was like gingerly
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: approaching the. World for it was like you wake, up
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: you feel the. Embarrassment, yeah you keep asking the same
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: question over and over for two hours and THEN i was.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: Fine. Interesting so my, belief and it's non.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: Scientific my belief is that there are some of us
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: who are genetically predisposed to be able to handle cranial,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: impact AND i don't know that whether it's because of
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: your physical, makeup your neck, muscles your skull, thingness. Whatever
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: and then there are people who are the exact, opposite
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: where they could be phenomenal, athletes but you flick them
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: in the forehead and they go.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: Out, OKAY i don't.
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  Speaker 10: KNOW i would keep your mindset there because you seem
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 10: like a very balanced person to. Me you don't seem
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 10: like somebody who is potentially in danger of losing their
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 10: ish as a result of getting hit over and over and.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 5: Over SO i just keep your mind wherever your mind,
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 5: Is just keep it.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: There the thing, is.
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  Speaker 2: We won't know IF i had not abused my brain so,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: aggressively MAYBE i would have like.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: Had us on the moon, again or oh, okay cured.
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  Speaker 2: Cancer Maybe i'm like truly a genius h who has
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: now dumbed himself down to normal. Levels oh, okay repeated cranial.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: Impacts interesting.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 10: Approach, ALSO i would just kind of stick with the
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 10: fact that you're doing okay and don't but my own
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 10: the fact that you're not some neuroscientist or.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Something they're weird, Anyway.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah they are for.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 10: Sure but, yeah back to the Stat, sorry the hat
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  Speaker 10: dude was so distracting WHEN i realized what was going.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 10: On if you're not watching on, YouTube log on right
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  Speaker 10: now and watch the hardest working hat In america trying
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 10: to hang. On As sean, said it is. Hilarious it's,
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 10: bad But i'm gonna talk about. This we need to
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 10: just do away with senior, it at least in college,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 10: basketball because one of my favorite things about senior day
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 10: the college foot. Balls you can tell how much it
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 10: means to the. Players AND i would, say even the
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 10: ones that are only here for a year or. TWO
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 10: i don't know what it. Is maybe it's because you're
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 10: you're here, longer right through springball and you kind of
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 10: go through a whole thing. Basketball aj debonsa will have
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 10: lived In provo for like seven and a half.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 5: Months he might stop. It it's so silly.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Head we played the. Sound he seemed very. Genuine he was.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 10: Laughing when he said, it and he and his father
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 10: already TOLD byu this is a one year. Deal he's
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 10: not coming. Back shout out McKay. COPPINS i hope The
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 10: deseret podcast got some attention or.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 5: Whatever but he's. Not he's not coming.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Back whole question for tomorrow is Aj debonsa gonna make
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: more money AT byu next year than he would in THE.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 10: Nba there we, go And i'm quite sure his mother
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 10: won't mind if he doesn't get his, degree if he
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 10: simply maximizes his.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 5: Potential rocky got.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 10: Me, yeah if he gets to his second, contract no
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 10: one in The debanza lineage for one hundred years is
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 10: ever gonna have to work.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 5: Again let the kid play some. Basketball here's the.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: THING i have a college. DEGREE i actually have an advanced.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: COLLEGE i have a master's. Degree it is yet to
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: pay me what a SECOND nba contract or a FIRST
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: nba contract would.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 5: Pay now yet is the key?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Term?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 4: Yet?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually, yeah almost. Guaranteed.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no you work in a place where we just
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 10: psyche we are we, are you, know showered with cash
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 10: for what we, do so just keep keep. Going we
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 10: actually had a, debate And i'll let you. Go all
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 10: of my college friends were together not too long. AGO
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 10: i think there are fifteen of. Us zero of us
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 10: are working in what we studied in, college not, one
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 10: not one of.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 9: Us oh that's.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 5: Interesting it's, whild isn't.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: It that's uh, yeah it's kind of like you guys
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: are the academic equivalent of that commercial they always play
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: on college. Sports nine percent of us are going to
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: go pro in something besides.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 5: Sports, yeah exactly zero percent of us work.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 8: In what we.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 5: Studied it's pretty well y percent of us are going to.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: Go professional and something besides.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 5: Accounting god bless those. Commercials, they're you, know doing the
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 5: best they.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: Can stay tuned for the.
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