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Hello and welcome to the inaugural episode of Scots with
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a Mic. Whether you're a new listener or
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from the Scots Abroad Days, we're excited to have you here
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as we go. For this new chapter, we're
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expanding from covering Scots abroad to know all things
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Scottish football. From the highs and heart breaks
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at Hampden to the chaos of the lower leagues, If it's happening
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in Scottish football, we'll be talking about it.
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Today I'm your host Finn Crocker, and today I'm joined by
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Aaron McIntosh, Joe Mctagger and James Scott.
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So let's start with the main story of yesterday at Scotch Cup
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final. Joe's The Celtic fan.
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How you feeling? I'm feeling better and hi on on
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the whole congratulations to Aberdeen.
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Celtic kind of have many complaints for how how they can
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finish. They did the damage themselves
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and I'm just very grateful than making about for a second.
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Yes, Aberdeen's first Scottish Cup in 35 years, last one in
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1990. That was also when on penalties
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against Celtic. Obviously that was way back.
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Alex Smith was the manager then McGregor after the game said it
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was the worst moment of his football career.
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Jack Milne said it was the best day of his life of the mix of
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emotions. What do you guys think?
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Well, from my point of view, I think Aberdeen were the better
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team. I have to admit that.
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I think first half I have to see.
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I've seen their cup finals and cup finals aren't.
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Normally you know one of the. Probably the worst games of the
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season. They're normally spectacular.
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They they drag out, they they do take.
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And to be nervous and I think Aberdeen on the whole we're
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good, but they didn't really do anything to the second-half.
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Think Celtic, you've seen Celtic much better than what they were
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yesterday. First half particular.
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But then the second-half I thought was more of an ending
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game. Aberdeen, I think they just went
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no, what? We've got nothing to lose now,
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let's just go for it. Celtic obviously want to try
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and. Cut out it's.
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Two of the sloppiest goals you've ever seen in your.
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Life Final. And in a big occasion.
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But the more was going on, you know, you gradually thought.
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Aberdeen were going to do. It just just sense that was
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going to happen. Celtics were trying to kill them
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off, didn't happen. Then Aberdeen got.
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The goal and then. We went and just shifted, just
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shifted. After then.
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I think the moment I thought they were going to do it is when
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Maida missed, I think. I think it was just.
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Before it build time. Wasn't it?
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But 93rd minute or something like?
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That minute you'd. Back him when you you'd back
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him. I don't know.
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Obviously player of the year, he's got so much ability in his
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you. Know he he.
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Pulled back himself to score. That goal, but.
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You know, as soon as that happened, you just sensed it
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might just be Aberdeen's day and congratulations to them.
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I think you must have had a good fan in Glasgow.
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Yeah, I mean trying to be unbiased as possible in the
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podcast, but you know, I am an Aberdeen fan.
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I was there yesterday. Well, obviously the Heads fans
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will be annoyed that bumps them down from a guaranteed spot in
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Europe to qualifying round two, I think in the Europe league.
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But you know, I think on the day being there, it's hard to judge
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the real quality of the game. Probably one of the best as a
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supporter I've ever seen. I was I was at Darville when we
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lost and now I'm I was at the Scotch Cup final.
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I think it really showed the difference for me was demos for
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meet off. He was arguably my man of the
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match. Obviously like that the my the
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chance you mentioned, I think it was it was a bad miss, but it
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was an even better save from my point of view.
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And the penalties on penalties. It's such a contrast to last
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year's semifinal. Kelly Bruce was in goal for the
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last year. You'll know about him.
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I don't I don't think he dive. I don't think he even dived
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direct way once last year. I actually think Keller roof
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caused it. I would be not a semifinal kids.
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He bring down the injured Ryan Duncan's penalty.
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Yeah, Ryan Duncan's to wait another minute or so.
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And yeah, I'm putting yourself in Ryan Duncan's position for
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that semi final. I mean, that penalty, I don't
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get any. He may even be younger than me.
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I'm 21 and like that. That manager's going to get in
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your head against Joe Hart is such a seething professional.
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I mean, also just getting little and what's there for him by the
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sanction. Yeah, I mean, he was.
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He was 20 last year in semi in the semi final.
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Such a young a young player to be put under that pressure.
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But Kelly Ross, yeah, didn't even dive the right way for one
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of the penalties. And then you look at Dermot, our
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meet of steps up, some massive saves in the game.
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Even before them I had the chance.
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OK. I think it was clear I have got
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a pay this. I think I should have made a
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lift of the amount of both that you said yesterday.
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Carl McGregor was one of them. Michael Stewart said that.
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Brendan Rodgers said that. That penalty sure as well once I
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couldn't agree less. I mean, I think it was clear to
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be a good practice penalty more and not one Aberdeen the cup
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final, yeah, absolutely. Most penalty by Aberdeen were
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four of the best I've ever seen. And Celtic, I mean, karma, David
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1 was really bad. But I mean, pretty obviously
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early on, who'd been practiced and then that ultimately that
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was one minute. Yeah.
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Alison Johnson, the one that missed the decisive penalty.
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First silverware since I think 2014 against Inverness.
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But, you know, it's League Cup. It's the first major, major
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trophy since 1990. Like I said, it denied Celtic
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the ninth ever domestic treble. Can move on to 202425.
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Recap. Obviously, Joe, you've written
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the article that we posted last week on our newsletter.
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But just to sum up, Celtic winning the league as usual, St.
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Johnson relegated after 16 seasons in the top flat.
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I think artist, that's the third longest run, fourth longest run,
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something like that. Fourth, yeah, 4th on this run.
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I think it's for a club their size that is incredible.
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Obviously they did the double 2021 as well, but this isn't
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overall if you look at the quality that that they put on
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the pitch of the change manager's mid season.
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But it wasn't enough for them. I think the, I think it's been
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some time for Saint Johnstone. I think after the the cup
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double, it's just been going gradually down downhill and you
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know, that's the, you know, that's the peak that's the
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highest you'll ever get, you know, for a club that size and
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you're just. Going to go.
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Downhill and there's there's no doubt about that and I think
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they've had, they've done very well done for a team that I
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think do have a limited budget. I've stayed.
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In that league for that long, when you consider some of the
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things in the Championship and for so long have been stuck.
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In there I mean. There's been bigger clubs in the
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Championship in. League One and.
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They've stayed there and they've been a credit to them.
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And I think obviously maybe it's not, it's not the end of the
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world going to the Championship. It will be a hard league and but
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no, I think they'll count themselves OK in that league
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next year. It just depends what happens
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with Lovingston and Ross County. But I think they've been the
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credit to the framership and the credit to the smaller clubs in
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the league. I think, I think they got quite
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unlucky with the the coefficient back in, back in 2021.
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Obviously I already know after they've won it, they've they've
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guaranteed league phase at least eight games including the
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playoffs. In 2021, obviously the
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coefficient was below 12th, so there wasn't that guaranteed
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league phase for the cup winner. And I was at the playoff game,
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the, I think it was a conference league.
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I think it was the first, I think it was the inaugural
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season, yeah. And it was the playoff against
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LASK after they had. That's right, yeah.
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Lost to Galatasaray after getting a draw, I think at home.
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And I was at that game and they should have won it.
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There was a red card that was questionable.
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And I think a guaranteed league phase.
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I think it was something like it's guaranteed 5 million even
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if you just go into the conference, they can finish
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bottom and 5 million to Club Lex and Johnston is survival for
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years upon years. That that's a decent plain
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budget for a while and you know, see you.
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Know all the money that. Comes with that, you know.
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You know. Not just to players, but review
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into the club 5. Minutes for Saint John's.
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Would be amazing and. The fans were probably the least
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surprised that everyone. They're probably surprised that
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it hasn't come soon after they had that great season four years
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ago. They sold their two best players
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in Jason, Karen, Allen, McCann for probably what could have
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been a bit more money. I I would say probably not
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invested that money well enough or they've not got enough for
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it. And since then the the funds
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have recognized that it's probably that relegation after
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losing to Hearts and also the draw in Dundee.
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It was it was coming for a while.
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They're probably the price. I'm so fortunate to hold on as
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long as they did. They got to make some results,
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including against Celtic. But then I think St.
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Johnstone are one of these clubs and I read that they got the
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throne of Livingston last season.
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But I think St. Johnson can actually benefit
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from going to Championship long term.
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It could be one step back to eventually go through three
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steps forward. Yeah, I think, I think it was a
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postponed relegation. I mean, if it wasn't for Sudib
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and Kompioka, I think they could have gone down a lot earlier as
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well as some a few other players like maybe meet off last season.
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I mean, Falkirk did slip up at the tail end of the season.
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They almost had step, but they did hold on.
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They're back. They're back in the Premiership.
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How excited are you to see Scott Scott Arfield back in the
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Premiership? He's probably he was probably
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the the, the player that changed the whole momentum around really
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when. You think about, I think.
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Faulkner could be on their debut.
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Patrick on his debut. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, Falkirk have been top since match the E.
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And the in the in. The championship they've been,
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they've been consistent all the way to 30 games when you think.
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About it, They've been top. And they've just about slipped.
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Up in the end, but. You know, that's the that's the
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signing or that's the thing that's probably sealed the
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thing. We can't, we can't If Scott
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Artfield doesn't come, I don't think Folkert win it because
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you're such an influential player, you should be playing at
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a higher level than Scottish Championship.
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It was, it was an interesting gamble and I'm probably more
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excited to see her, John McGinn, John Mcguin does than Scott Art
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Field to be honest. And because especially the
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Celtic fan, I don't know what you're on about.
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Listen, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to.
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No, I think John McGlynn obviously took a bit of a hit
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after his last managing real gig.
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And then listen, that softball could come to park.
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It was last August, September, yeah, September.
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And they went ahead twice and they really brought the game to
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South. Can doesn't really like it.
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Well, they rotated squad by all means, but I mean of the quality
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on that part should be played before quick off the back before
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Kirk for outstanding. And I'm interested to see is you
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can argue that that's just it's a one off club game.
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There are something going to happen with it.
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They get beat anyway. I'm interested to see if they,
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excuse me, if they keep that up for a whole 30 game season or if
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Mcguiner is just going to be a little bit more pragmatic.
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I love. I'm obviously I'm also surprised
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that there's not been more talk about John Mcglenn going
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elsewhere. How many premiership teams are
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there looking for ages at 4:00? 4.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that I think that shows its commitment
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to Falkirk because if they wanted to go to one of these
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teams, them convinced he could get one of them no problem.
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And so he's obviously committed behind the scenes there all
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couldn't say that you don't see it for another year and wants to
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see what you can do. I think there's a real reason
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why we can't get excited then a lot of folks understandably
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because of how Steve Parker done looked at that kind of seem that
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he was the preference predecessor for Scott, manager
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of Naglind as well for Kirk and maybe goes on to finger back the
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hearts or if he's to go to typically top 7 club in
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Scotland, but don't see why he can't take that role instead.
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Yeah, because like see previously when John obviously
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went was at Livingston and Hearts, he was at way back.
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He obviously made that step up from the Rovers back then going
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to Hearts quite a big gig. But I think even in the loving
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someone as well, both, both jobs he had were Hanford financially
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and he didn't really get a fair crack at the whip and as an
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overs fan. I've seen John over the years,
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good manager, nice guy. You know, he's been he's done
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the rounds around Scottish football.
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He's been a manager for a good few years now.
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It'll be nice to see him getting a go at the Premiership again
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with a team that's, I mean, you'd say Falkirk is not a good
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possession going up. Like you said, they're playing
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good football. Like everyone's quite excited to
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see what they can maybe do. So yeah, be nice on a personal
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level for him. I'm glad that he's finally
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managed to get back to the Premiership and that he's he's
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in, he's got the, the foundation is to make one sure what, what
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he can do. I think what Falkirk need.
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Just to close it off really is I think he just.
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Needs a natural #9 and that and. They've not.
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They've shared the goals around in the Championship and that no,
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there's no reason to say why that won't work in the
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Premiership. But.
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Let's see, let's use done views, an example.
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If you don't have Simon Murray, then you know, where would
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Dundee finish? I mean, so you don't know.
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I don't. It's hard to see right now what
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poker can do because obviously. The windows not open really.
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Officially yet, but I want to If they got somebody who can score
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goals regularly even when they're not playing well enough,
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then that could be the thing that keeps them up.
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Or maybe even takes them up to. Top 6.
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You mentioned Joe, the managerial kind of switch about
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I think it was earlier this week.
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I can't remember this week or last week, but Michael Wimmer
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resigned from Motherwell. He's he's joined third tier
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sides. John Regensburg, sorry if I've
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been. Great pronunciation.
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Then as a, then as a language. And you did that right?
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Do you want to do the honor of Joe?
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How are you? How do you, how are you supposed
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to say that, Dean? Jan Ravensburg But you did well
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then. There we go, see like an expert.
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I'll take it. So yeah, Motherwell without a
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manager, Kilmarnock without a manager.
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Now after obviously joined Hearts earlier and the book is
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Stuart Kettlewell's now among the favorites for the Kilmarnock
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job. Obviously ex Motherwell manager,
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but more on the Motherwell side. Who do you think could take over
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there, if any ideas there? That's a hard one.
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Wasn't because this, you know, it's what I'll be looking for
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though. That's the thing.
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I mean, it's only just happened. Recently looking for.
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Somebody to get them. Sorry sorry Anne the two the two
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that come to my mind but both depend on different things.
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First the first question that I'd be asking if I was up for
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the job was what is success. I call but mother all yeah, I
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don't know if they're looking to a lot of thought looking
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wouldn't be looking to do this, but also a lot of people see
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Scottish ribbons, the top 2 and the rest.
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We're probably getting to the stage especially that I think
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McInnes is going to have Hearts. I generally I think it's going
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to be top to the written the next three and then the rest
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yeah, Hearts and Aberdeen maybe a bit harsher than the United
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there. So as the Motherwell manager's
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definition that's going to be breaking into top five, getting
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top six, avoid the relegation, try and win a cup, but I'm
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really unsure. But straight away, the first two
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names that I was thinking of and with Kettlewell almost
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definitely getting the killer job according to the sky.
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And I can see David Naismith put in it's hat in the ring.
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But I've heard that he's not in a rush to get back into
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management unless it's absolutely perfect for him.
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Another one's Tony Dock, I imagine, ready to get straight
17:05
back into management because I can't imagine that that that
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second was expected for him. Yeah, I mean, we've mentioned
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the ones that are officially looking at the clubs that are
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officially looking for a new manager.
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But obviously with the takeover Illuminate Rangers, they will
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probably looking for a manager in the summer.
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That they've made contact reportedly with Angelotti son
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that the V day Angelotti, Russell Martin, among others,
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but objected so far Gerrard could could be back in the job.
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What do you guys think? I wouldn't appoint him.
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That's there's. There's only so much like old
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Stalinger and Rogers is different because that's proven
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success. You know, yes, Jared won.
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The title in 2021, but one title, 9 trophies up for grabs
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and let's be honest, since we're leaving Rangers, you didn't do a
18:04
good job at Aston Villa. You could see get them up and he
18:08
played all right, but looking at Aston Villa now that they won't
18:12
want to stay up in the they want to not only just in the penalty,
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they're going for Europe. So and then going to Saudi
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Arabia is probably the thing that's probably going to kill
18:19
him a job, but. Yeah, I like the fact I think
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there were the relegations on in Saudi Arabia for for most of the
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season. I mean, going to Saudi Arabia,
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it's for the money. But in a league like that, you
18:32
do not want to be battling down the bottom of the league.
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Sorry, those names you mentioned there, Russell Martin was the
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one that so caught my ear the most just because Swansea did
18:41
quite well. I got his move to Southampton.
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It's not gone great. I think we've got a look at
18:47
their season sales. Pretty shocking.
18:48
But I think he's, we all know like managers trajectories and
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typically just linear straight up.
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They're going to have bumps in the roads where they learn
18:56
different things. And I think, yeah, Sean about
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equality, obviously through Swanson, hopefully he's learned
19:02
from his time at Southampton as well.
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I I think that'd be quite a good actually like to get him on
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board would be quite a good one, I feel.
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Yeah, isn't If I'm not, he's the next.
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Player, yeah, he's there for, there for.
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About half a season, I think it was if I'm writing scene.
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Yeah, I, I, I read, I'm happy to be corrected here.
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I'm reading that it's a note a couple about a week ago.
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Yeah, that's what I heard as well.
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I think he wants. I think he wants to get back
19:31
into the English. Football, and it looks like
19:33
Lester's probably. The way that he's going.
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To go if. Reports are.
19:36
Saying well. I think they're going to, I
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think they're going to go for Gerard.
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But I'm you're right. I'm actually, I'm actually open
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against managers coming back for a second then obviously.
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So that's I've gone against that with with Len and Ann Rogers and
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they've done well. But I just think in general
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you're you're asking for trouble more than anything.
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But Gerard, what would be interesting was who who back
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from staff would be Bill, Bill, Michael.
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Bill did such a big part in Gerard's success.
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I'm not going to come out and say that achieved the success,
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but at the top was that he was the main man and.
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If he's not going to be happy, come back as a former manager to
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be #2 he cannot come back either.
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He cannot come back after the Twitter scandal as well.
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There's no chance. No, I think, I don't think Jared
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would succeed coming back. And seriously, I can see this
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being put in a year after one of treble.
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But I, I, I'm not overly convinced by Angelotti either.
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Want it purely because you've got, you've got much, much of
20:45
any experience as an actual manager, but like, you've got to
20:48
start somewhere, haven't you? Obviously you're kind about
20:52
everyone has to learn somewhere and that's true.
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The only thing it has been Rangers fans being like hungry
20:57
for success as they are and wanting to get back to where
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they should be as well or not. A guy like that feels like he's
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going to get the time to maybe like work his craft and build up
21:11
to becoming, you know, get into them where they are.
21:13
Because I feel like in the past when things have gone wrong at
21:17
the first heart of the new managers at Rangers, they don't
21:19
get the patience they maybe should.
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So, yeah, right. At the same time, it'd be quite
21:27
exciting to see that because, you know, it's always is a big
21:31
name actually, son. So it would, it would be good
21:33
to, it would be exciting anyway. There have been a lot of work
21:38
going on behind the scenes before the end of the season.
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I mean, I know the 49ers are unofficially, but I don't know
21:45
when it's expected to actually happen.
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But Rangers season starts so much earlier than the rival
21:52
Celtic. I mean, Celtic season starts and
21:55
when the league starts. So it's that first weekend in
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August. But Rangers have got 3-4
22:02
qualifying runs at the moment to navigate through.
22:04
Yeah, they've. Got to get. 3.
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Three at least. They're probably going to be
22:08
exceeded for most of them, but you can't you can't afford to
22:11
mess around in them. I think progress neither corn
22:14
shows that, but I think the probably I didn't.
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Well, the media reported that they've got their top targets,
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but I don't think they can afford to wait around for too
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long because it's important to get these players and that they
22:29
won and then get them ready for the qualified.
22:33
You can't meet them as friendly. So moving away from Rangers now
22:37
to the to the Scotland squad. The squad was posted like this
22:42
week earlier this week. There's returns the squad for
22:45
Josh Doig, Nathan Patterson and the Irving and of course Angus
22:48
Gunn who missed the last few squads.
22:51
Lennon, Miller and of course James Wilson have kept their
22:55
places in the squad after getting their first collapse in
22:57
the in the previous one. And there's a surprise admission
23:01
for Kieran Bowie, who gets his first call up to the senior
23:04
squad. Clark said in his his press
23:06
conference after the after the squadronet was announced.
23:09
He's always been impressed with Kieran when he's watching them
23:11
in under 20 ones and he's been, in my opinion, such a pivotal
23:15
player for the under 20 ones. And obviously they're under 21
23:19
Euro campaign qualifier and just all their games in general.
23:23
He's got six goals for Hibs this season.
23:25
It's not a ton, but his physical presence said says is what makes
23:29
this game top notch. What do you guys think of the of
23:32
the squadron hole? When you're saying six goals
23:35
firms, not too much. We did.
23:36
He only played eighteen games. It was our season like massively
23:40
like a big a big part of it was injury.
23:43
I think it was a hamstring he got back in October and that set
23:46
him out for quite a while. So for the age years, like he
23:49
said, his physical presence, he's got good attributes that
23:52
hopefully will allow him to sort of cut it at this level.
23:57
And I think there's a few folk that have been watching him for
23:58
years and he could be one of the guys who's going to lead the
24:01
Scotland line coming up. So, and this is I mean, we're
24:04
not up against to the the giants Europe for once and friendly.
24:08
So hopefully 2 opportunities to get a result and really good
24:13
opportunity as well for the young guys to come in because
24:16
they could. There's the pressure's off and I
24:19
think everyone's just really excited to see them, especially
24:21
with like Selena Miller didn't get capped even though he was in
24:25
the squad back in March. Like you said, it would just be
24:28
interesting to see whether or not he's had his move come that
24:31
point because I think we're all kind of just waiting on
24:33
something changing there. Yeah, I mean there's been links
24:36
to a host of clubs, most notably probably Strasbourg, which to be
24:40
honest would probably be the dream move for development wise.
24:45
Yeah, of course a lot of people know they've got the youngest
24:48
average age of any squad in Europe, an average squad age of
24:53
21 years and 284 days, so they are practically playing another
24:56
21 side. He's also been linked to
24:59
obviously a Borussia Dortmund as well as Man United recently for
25:05
for around 10 million. I don't think Man United would
25:07
be a great move, but Bruce who Dortmund or Strasbourg would be
25:11
a great move from. There's no heck in the squad.
25:14
But as we are speaking, he is and he is on the bench for
25:18
Brentford. Josh Doyle kind of might fill
25:22
that that role recently one Seri Seri be with Sasso, although
25:26
after his move from Hells for OWN, I think it was last summer.
25:30
So it'll be good to see another Scott in in the top flight, not
25:33
just not just the second division.
25:36
Yeah, I think he's become a little bit under the radar.
25:39
I think just like just because, you know, we try our best to
25:42
cover Sherry IB as much as possible, but you.
25:44
Know it's not really too many places that you know.
25:48
Showcase it. But you know, it's good to see
25:50
him. But I had a feeling that they
25:51
were going to go back straight away.
25:52
Just seen the talent pill that sets us all.
25:54
They're going to go straight back, you know, either by the.
25:58
As a champion of right the playoffs and so it's great to
26:01
see him, great to see him back along with all the rest.
26:03
Of the guys. That was over there at the
26:05
moment. Thank good to see him back in
26:06
the Scotland squad as well. You know, I just had many call
26:09
UPS before. I think he's about four or five,
26:11
but it's not been on the pitch yet.
26:13
And he's good thing. He is as well.
26:16
Sorry, just until on template talking guys returning.
26:19
He was on for a few years now. I think we've all been kind of
26:23
waiting for Nathan to just kick on about and he's announced hard
26:26
injuries sort of hold them back a little bit, so I'm hoping next
26:31
season's going to be a huge one for him, especially David Moyes,
26:34
everyone hopefully looking out from a wee bit.
26:36
So good to see that right back position become a little bit
26:40
more consistent. Built.
26:42
Yeah. I mean, I remember his game
26:45
against Poland. I think it was a Poland friendly
26:47
and it was just running past the Poland players like they just
26:50
weren't there up that wing. You know, they're they're they
26:55
shared shade Morris esque. But keep on the keep on the
27:00
topic of keep on the topic of fill backs, Max Johnson
27:05
back-to-back league winner in Austria with Sturman Gratz now
27:07
won the league yesterday with a with a draw over.
27:10
I think it was Wolfsburg, not Wolfsburg was.
27:12
Burger, Yeah. Wellsburger, yeah, that's one.
27:15
He won the League Cup last season as well from from last
27:18
season. I think he's become a more
27:19
established star. Last season he was obviously in
27:21
the squad, but limited minutes first half the season especially
27:25
and it's just bits and pieces off the bench.
27:27
He's an established starter for them one goal 5 assists in the
27:30
league. He's obviously started in the
27:32
Champions League as well. Great experience from and
27:35
because the Champions League is really important yeah and
27:39
because I know John gratis where runs a pure sight than that.
27:42
But they again get exactly experience against players.
27:49
And I mean, no offense, the Austrian league, I think
27:53
officially they're higher than us in the coefficient played
27:57
overall a bit better standard, I believe.
27:59
But it's important to get the experience against those of a
28:03
higher quality because he's old enough to be to to once and to
28:06
be able to put in a high higher level.
28:09
And if you can true that you can at least stand.
28:11
There's no one against you know, your giant from Italy, France,
28:15
Germany. Germany is probably the one that
28:17
stands out because it's just over the border from Austria.
28:19
But there's not there's nothing stopping them joining like
28:23
comedy. Gilmore impressed.
28:24
And and going in Italy as well and.
28:28
But it was Atlanta that was. Yeah, he's had, he's had
28:30
interest from Southampton, Ipswich, Atlanta, Hamburg and
28:34
Augsburg. So it's a host.
28:36
There's a chance of England, isn't there?
28:38
Yeah, I, I to be honest, from a personal level, I do not want to
28:41
see him in the Championship. I think staying abroad, Atlanta
28:46
were top of the the Syria for I think it was 8 game weeks this
28:49
season. They've got a host of talents
28:53
in. Terms of the guys, if they seem
28:57
they've their club is sort of known for making good signings
29:01
and think of just the fact they're interested in him, is it
29:05
pleasing to see? Because you must be doing
29:06
something right in that respect. Yeah, I mean, I mean play.
29:09
Play in a way against Dortmund in the Champions League, at the
29:13
obviously Signal Dinner Park. Great experience from him and it
29:17
just adds to his repertoire and his reputation, not just in
29:22
Austria and in Scotland but across Europe because I think
29:26
he's clearly all other clubs he's really.
29:28
Up to his, he's really up to his game in terms of goals and
29:31
assists, so obviously. One goals you.
29:33
Know people will say that's. Not enough, but you know.
29:35
For a fullback, no, that's not too.
29:37
Bad and you get 5. Assists as well, and let's be
29:40
honest, he's been a starter since.
29:42
Probably after the new year. Since the comic book, the boy's
29:47
name. Now, who was the first trace,
29:48
right? Back he went to Cologne.
29:51
He's become the first choice, right?
29:52
Back and he's been every every game.
29:54
Ever since he's played that believe every minute that's what
29:57
I'm writing scene I'm after double check that, but he's
29:59
generally started. Every game and.
30:02
Five goal 5, assists 1. Goal.
30:05
Plus, you know, 5 Champions League appearances as well
30:08
before New Year's. Well, yeah, he's a great young
30:13
player and that, you know, he's another one who probably should.
30:16
You're having more caps as well a young age I'm.
30:18
A pre believers like. Get me the young guys Caps
30:21
remember what wheels were like. Goodness, how many years ago now
30:25
the Caps players 16/17/18 Let them learn in the big stages.
30:29
Let them learn their. Mistakes and then.
30:32
You know 20-30 can't stand lane. They become established players
30:35
at young age. Especially in friendlies.
30:38
Yeah, exactly. Especially when you're playing
30:41
Iceland at home and Liechtenstein away.
30:42
I mean, you're not going to get you're not going to get a better
30:46
chance. So obviously Iceland at home and
30:49
then on the 6th of June and then salute goes out to anyone making
30:53
the trip to Liechtenstein away on the 9th of June.
30:57
Do you? That is impressive.
30:58
My heart goes off to them. I was.
31:00
Looking at flights, hardest places to get to, I think it was
31:05
you and then actually the trainer.
31:07
I don't know any hotels or many at all.
31:10
And is it Vador values? Yeah, it's a really quirky
31:16
football system in Liechtenstein because the bits playing the
31:20
smart second division, spending the capital Liechtenstein and
31:24
get Europe because they're playing the Liechtenstein Cup.
31:27
Well, they almost bottled it actually because they were
31:29
playing against a fifth tier side in Liechtenstein and the
31:33
5th tier side would tunnel up until the 65th minute and then
31:37
collapsed 3 to or 4 to, I can't remember which invados
31:41
disappeared up again. But then after those two
31:44
friendlies, we have a break and then our World Cup qualifier
31:48
campaign starts in the 5th of September with obviously
31:50
probably our hardest game against Denmark away.
31:53
I can't wait. I've got my planes out in
31:55
Copenhagen Rd. Thank.
31:56
It's going to be a really good test.
31:59
I will be saving my money for for the Aberdeen European away
32:02
this to be honest. Yeah, just looking ahead for for
32:07
the for. The Iceland game at home, I
32:13
don't know if it's going to be under the radar.
32:15
That could be kind. I think I've got raised 50 of
32:17
cap for Scotland, which is I didn't realize he'd claimed so
32:21
high recently in terms of caps because when you think about the
32:25
injuries he's had, I was looking on transfer market later on 812
32:29
days were for football or like actual he's not he's mass
32:34
strangeries. And the fact that that's him
32:37
potentially getting his 50th cap just quite I mean, I've seen a
32:41
few guys now creeping up to the higher numbers that have had a
32:44
more consistent scored over the years.
32:46
But I'll be, I think I'll be out to quite a special moment to see
32:49
a guy who's given a lot but maybe not got a lot back from
32:55
his career. And yeah, Speaking of Kieran
32:58
Tierney, as we're speaking, he's back on the pitch fast and they
33:02
scored 43rd minute. Southampton have just equalized,
33:07
but it's good to see him back on the score sheet, back playing
33:09
after such a torrid time with injuries, not being in the squad
33:13
at all. And I'm kind of being overlooked
33:17
by Michael Arthetta for for multiple seasons now despite it
33:22
being so integral for us when he does play.
33:26
He's not a good time at club level since probably two seasons
33:30
ago I'd say. Yeah, it's great.
33:34
It's great to see him back. It's great to see him back.
33:36
I think you'll be a big you still.
33:39
I still want him to do well in Scotland and you still would be
33:41
well, Scotland. I think going to Celtics,
33:43
probably the. Perfect move from going into the
33:44
long haul. For him and Celtic, and for
33:47
Scotland as well. And it's good to see him back.
33:50
And you're right. And seeing that 50th cap against
33:52
Iceland, if he should play. So that's a rule of honor and
33:56
yeah, what we're seeing. About how many goods and.
33:59
Players that we've got now in the high numbers, John Mcgann's
34:01
got 75, Scott McDonald's got 60. Yeah, 60 at the age of 2028
34:06
years old. Yep, Andy Robinson's got 82.
34:09
You know. We've got lots coming up, you
34:12
know, just, I'm just looking at the list.
34:14
Now it's just a meeting. See how many?
34:18
Players, because you know, before Clark took over, I think
34:21
we had barely how many players got into maybe 20 or 30 now.
34:25
We've got a good grip with more coming through as.
34:29
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean Mcdormand as well.
34:32
Obviously once Seri, I Seri sorry with with Napoli alongside
34:37
Billy Gilmore on Friday. I was watching the game.
34:41
Amazing scissor kick. I mean, just to cop up to top
34:45
off the season. It's an amazing goal.
34:48
If you've not seen her go, go take a look because it is quite
34:51
some goal. A2.
34:53
No win over Kagliari, Steal the title.
34:55
I was. Going to talk about football,
34:57
scrap meters. Friday night was just one of
35:00
those nights where everyone went according to plan.
35:03
Like it's, I mean, I took my eyes off the screen for one
35:06
second and as soon as I had the net, I looked up and I knew it
35:09
was going to come in and scored it.
35:11
But he just he has just been so pivotal from the whole season.
35:14
12 goals, eight of the 12, the score was tied now, now, So
35:19
that's how much of A game changer he's been for an Apple
35:21
in terms of driving them forward and getting the goals that are.
35:26
I mean, there's such a it's, it's well known now how well
35:30
Scots are done in Italy. But it's been an amazing season.
35:33
Now it's Lewis Ferguson, obviously at Bologna captain
35:37
this side to cop Italia win over a single and one nil down and
35:40
doy with the only goal of the game And it's I think it's I'm
35:43
right and said it's their first major trophy in 51 years. 51
35:46
years, yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's an amazing sustest
35:49
when you consider. How many good players have?
35:51
Been in Bologna the last few years at least about.
35:55
Four or five years at. Least.
35:56
And now they're starting to. Get a good squad together to
35:59
compete at the top level. Yeah, conference getting to.
36:02
Europe as well. And Fred for him to captain
36:04
aside, you know, not coming in too long ago, not not starting
36:09
straight away, but finding his feet quite quite quickly, to be
36:12
honest, learning the language. And no, captain, that's.
36:15
Why I was going? To say learning.
36:16
The language, I mean, you've got to learn the language or, you
36:18
know, in places like that, same, you know, if somebody was to go.
36:22
To Germany, you've got to learn the.
36:23
Language and because it'll. Make a connection.
36:25
To the fans, and that's the one thing I'm really fend off more
36:27
than anything. It sounds silly to see.
36:29
But. You know you've got to try and
36:31
connect with these. These.
36:32
Wonderful supporters that you've got.
36:34
Over there. Scott Scott McDonald in
36:36
particular, he's almost cooked the owner of the ton.
36:39
And I'm like that well, I can barely understand English.
36:41
Yeah, and English, it's proper, a proper Italian.
36:44
It's not Scottish Italian, so I know.
36:46
Yeah. And Lewis Ferguson last season
36:48
won the the. I don't know how to pronounce
36:50
this either. The Bill garelli #8 Awards.
36:54
It's an award given from past, past players, usually they're
36:59
Italian obviously and it's for the best midfielder the season
37:02
not just in Syria but across Europe.
37:04
And last season that was Lewis Ferguson that past winners like
37:08
Pierre Lowe, Chavey Any Esta, Paul Pogba, Yaya Turi and now
37:13
Lewis Ferguson and Lewis quite possibly Mcdominy this season
37:16
so. I wouldn't be surprised.
37:17
I mean, Tommy has won it. Yeah, he won the best, best play
37:20
of the season in Syria this season as well.
37:22
I mean, could could he be the first player since Ally McClure
37:25
to get nominated for the Balloon Door?
37:29
That's something I didn't consider that actually, but it's
37:32
not. I mean he when he gets when he's
37:34
earning such high awards and high plays across there, it's
37:39
almost like why is he not in the conversation?
37:41
Yes. I'm not, I'm not saying you
37:43
should win it, but if you're getting player the season in one
37:47
of the top top five, arguably top three leagues in the world,
37:49
you have to be in the conversation to at least get
37:53
nominated because I think it's 3030, players get nominated.
37:56
I think you have to do something in Europe.
37:59
Yeah, I think the same. I think just I think getting
38:02
into the Champions League next season is where he's.
38:03
Going to be just really a lot along the rest.
38:06
Of the players. I mean, he's going to be in that
38:08
candidate. The valandor is now done by
38:11
calendar year, I'm sure so. Yeah, that's right.
38:13
Yeah. You wouldn't really be able to
38:15
get many Champions League game in Champions League games in
38:18
until the Valandor was yeah, was awarded.
38:21
So it's a funny one because if you do look at his performances,
38:26
they are among the best in the world.
38:29
I mean, obviously we maybe don't appreciate them as much because
38:32
he is Scottish and it's just, it's like that, I don't know,
38:35
you don't really appreciate something until it's gone and
38:38
he's incredible over there. And Napoli, Billy Gilmore not
38:42
playing a pivotal role, but obviously he got his winners
38:45
medal so he'll not be complaining.
38:49
I think when you're saying that as well, you're talking about
38:50
like maybe not appreciate as much.
38:53
I think it's almost the same conversation when people have
38:55
where about John McGann and Arsenal fans go.
38:59
If his name was Megan, Megan Dino or Megani Esther, people
39:03
would be Raven much more. And we have got yeah, that's so
39:07
true. And here's us maybe been
39:10
comfortable with the same thing going well.
39:11
Why is he not in that conversation?
39:14
Well, I think we'll wrap it up there, guys.
39:16
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