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- 0:00Kelly Howe: It helps reduce stress, but not just in the mind.
- 0:02Kelly Howe: It really helps to calm the physical body down in a physical stress response.
- 0:12Michelle Gauthier: You're listening to Overwhelmed Working Woman, the podcast that helps you be more calm and more productive by doing less.
- 0:19Michelle Gauthier: I'm your host, ichelle Gothier, a former Overwhelmed Working Woman and current life coach.
- 0:24Michelle Gauthier: On this show, we unpack the stress and pressure that today's working woman experiences, and in each episode you'll get a strategy to bring more calm, ease and relaxation to your life.
- 0:36Michelle Gauthier: Hi, friend, thanks for joining us today.
- 0:39Michelle Gauthier: Today we're talking about a super interesting technique that has been proven to reduce stress and overwhelm, and it's called tapping, sometimes also called EFT.
- 0:50Michelle Gauthier: I've had personal experience with this.
- 0:52Michelle Gauthier: I did it with my son when he was having a hard time with anxiety, and then I got tapping from our guest today, Kelly Howe.
- 1:00Michelle Gauthier: So Kelly is a coach who focuses on tapping, and she is going to tell us all about how tapping can really neutralize even the most intense stress responses, and a method that you can try for yourself.
- 1:15Michelle Gauthier: So she's going to give us some tips on how to just give it a try for yourself and how she uses tapping to help her clients overcome fear and physical discomfort and even improve how much money they make.
- 1:27Michelle Gauthier: This was a really fun interview and fascinating to hear what she's doing and how she's helping people change by doing this simple method of tapping.
- 1:36Michelle Gauthier: I'm doing it right now you can't see me but tapping on different places on your face and your head and your chest, in a specific order to calm your whole system down.
- 1:46Michelle Gauthier: Before we jump into the interview with Kelly, I want to say thank you again to everyone who has written a review.
- 1:53Michelle Gauthier: We are in the top 2% of all podcasts worldwide, which is just simply amazing, and just last week I got another new awesome five-star review from M Wood: "Michelle's podcast is speaking to the challenges that my friends and I face every day.
- 2:10Michelle Gauthier: Thanks for providing such a valuable resource.
- 2:13Michelle Gauthier: It's worth a listen.
- 2:14Michelle Gauthier: Thank you so much for taking the time, m Wood, to write that review, and that is my whole goal is to talk about the challenges that all of you and all of your friends are facing, so that we can feel less stressed and be more present in these beautiful lives that we have been gifted.
- 2:31Michelle Gauthier: So, if you haven't already, I would love if you would do a review yourself.
- 2:36Michelle Gauthier: If you haven't done one already, okay, now let's welcome Kelly.
- 2:41Kelly Howe: Hello, thank you for having me, and I love talking about stress and ways to reduce it, so I think I'm in the right place.
- 2:46Michelle Gauthier: Yes, you have come to the right place.
- 2:48Michelle Gauthier: Who doesn't love talking about stress and overwhelm?
- 2:50Michelle Gauthier: Right?
- 2:51Kelly Howe: I know! I think there are people that don't.
- 2:52Kelly Howe: They think we're actually very strange.
- 2:54Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I know it's true.
- 2:56Michelle Gauthier: Okay.
- 2:57Michelle Gauthier: So first of all, tell us what tapping is and then, if you don't mind, just tell us a little bit about your backstory, like how did you even hear of it or become interested in it?
- 3:07Kelly Howe: Yes, I was actually just sending somebody a message today talking about this.
- 3:11Kelly Howe: So tapping is a neuroregulatory emotional release technique and that is a lot of words to say that it helps reduce stress, but not just in the mind.
- 3:20Kelly Howe: It really helps to calm the physical body down in a physical stress response.
- 3:25Kelly Howe: So a lot of times when we're experiencing stress, yes, we're having, like, our mind is racing, we feel overwhelmed mentally, but if we really tune into what our physical body is doing, there's a lot of physical symptoms that we can identify and show up.
- 3:38Kelly Howe: And what tapping does is two things: it helps reduce stress, it helps calm the body down on a nervous system level, but if you use it in the right way, you can actually help to rewire stress responses.
- 3:49Kelly Howe: And one of the best and easiest ways to explain this is thinking about something that triggers you and you get like a big physical response.
- 3:56Kelly Howe: EFT can actually, in a very systematic way, break apart that trigger so that you can encounter the exact same thing and feel no physical response to it.
- 4:05Kelly Howe: So it is incredibly powerful and I used to work as a nurse, which is when I found tapping.
- 4:10Kelly Howe: Of course, now I'm a transformational coach and I work with entrepreneurs.
- 4:13Kelly Howe: But back in the day I was a nurse working on the floor during doing labor and delivery and I was having a lot of anxiety and at the time I was very immersed in Western medicine and really was convinced that I'm fine, I don't have any stress, there's nothing wrong with me, there's something wrong with my body.
- 4:31Kelly Howe: I was very convinced that - I'm having tightness in my chest, I'm having bowel issues, feeling sick to my stomach all the time, really nauseated, just didn't feel well a lot of the time.
- 4:42Kelly Howe: I always had this kind of like low-grade anxiety, shakiness, to me and I was really very convinced that there was something wrong with my body.
- 4:50Kelly Howe: Well, what was wrong with my body was that I was extremely stressed and I was kind of not in touch with the amount of stress that I was under and I was working as a nurse and I truly had a surrender moment.
- 5:00Kelly Howe: I was very much not myself.
- 5:02Kelly Howe: I was angry and lashing out on people and, like I said, just really not feeling well, and I remember crying in bed one night and being like okay, universe, something made me this way.
- 5:12Kelly Howe: This isn't how I've always been.
- 5:14Kelly Howe: I've always been very cool, calm and collected and laid back, and it just felt like I wasn't myself.
- 5:20Kelly Howe: And within a matter of a couple of days I started getting emails through a series of events.
- 5:25Kelly Howe: I signed up for a Hay House newsletter and Hay House, of course, is like a self-help publishing company and I started getting emails about tapping and I thought it was ridiculous.
- 5:36Kelly Howe: I thought that it seemed crazy.
- 5:38Kelly Howe: It sounded crazy.
- 5:39Kelly Howe: My very stubborn ego nursing brain was like if this was real, I would have heard of this, or I kind of pooh-poohed it and was like, well, you know, maybe it's something, but it's just placebo effect.
- 5:51Kelly Howe: But I remembered that surrender moment and I went ahead and tried it and I just - the first time I tapped I did it on a video and you literally, we'll talk about it here in a minute, but like you, literally just tap on different points on your face and kind of on your chest and on your head.
- 6:06Kelly Howe: It felt absolutely ridiculous.
- 6:08Kelly Howe: But within seconds I felt my body start to relax.
- 6:13Kelly Howe: And what's really interesting is when you can get your physical body to relax.
- 6:16Kelly Howe: A lot of times we feel this after a good workout, right, where you can get your body really worn out and relaxed, then mentally we feel better also.
- 6:23Kelly Howe: It's like the head stops right, it stops.
- 6:33Kelly Howe: And so it's another tool to use, like exercise, like yoga, to really get in touch with our physical response, calm our body down, get our nervous system regulated so that we mentally feel better.
- 6:38Kelly Howe: And I like to say what makes this a little bit different than a lot of self-help work is that we actually really look at the problem and how we're feeling, rather than trying to shift just our thoughts to be positive.
- 6:49Kelly Howe: We go, okay, I can do that and that's useful a lot of the time, but say sometimes we're trying to be positive and we're still feeling that sickness in our stomach or that tightness in our chest.
- 6:59Kelly Howe: That's our body showing us that, hey, yes, I know you're trying to go through your affirmations right now, but there's something else going on that we need to pay attention to.
- 7:07Kelly Howe: So that's what tapping does - it really lasers and it targets okay, what is the actual problem, and it gives us a really effective, efficient, useful tool to actually process through what that problem is, whatever that stressor is.
- 7:20Michelle Gauthier: Okay, okay.
- 7:20Michelle Gauthier: So I don't know if this is a good example.
- 7:23Michelle Gauthier: I'm trying to think of something really simple.
- 7:25Michelle Gauthier: So if I'm terrified of spiders, thinking of my sister-in-law who literally is terrified of spiders, tapping would be - you'd have me bring that to mind and I would allow that stress in my body and then you would tell me where to tap and what to say.
- 7:41Kelly Howe: Absolutely, you nailed it.
- 7:43Michelle Gauthier: Tell me what would happen next then.
- 7:45Kelly Howe: You know, we don't need to actually be in front of the thing that triggers us.
- 7:48Kelly Howe: Usually, if we just start to think about it, even with our eyes open a lot of times, just bringing it to mind, our body will start to react to it, especially if it's a big fear like that.
- 7:57Kelly Howe: So I would have you start to think of the thing that is triggering.
- 8:01Kelly Howe: And so we're talking about a spider.
- 8:08Kelly Howe: But it could be something like maybe somebody is having trouble going live on social media and every time they start to do that, they get like a huge physical response.
- 8:11Kelly Howe: And so they're like well, I'm not going to go live now because my voice is going to be shaky.
- 8:13Kelly Howe: I'm going to forget what I'm talking about.
- 8:19Kelly Howe: You know, it's like they just feel so dysregulated that they can't do it.
- 8:21Kelly Howe: So I have you think about that thing that's triggering, and then we just start to tap and talk about what you feel emotionally.
- 8:23Kelly Howe: So we would tap and say something like, all this fear, all this fear, all this fear.
- 8:28Kelly Howe: I would say, what are you actually afraid of?
- 8:30Kelly Howe: And like, for the person I just did this with in a group session not very long ago, she was like, I'm afraid it's going to jump on me.
- 8:36Kelly Howe: And so we tap and say I'm afraid it's going to jump on me, I'm afraid it's going to jump on me.
- 8:40Kelly Howe: It's very repetitive.
- 8:41Kelly Howe: But what we're doing is really activating that response and then bringing in the tapping as a neutralizing tool to really calm it down.
- 8:50Kelly Howe: And it starts to beat out those stress signals that are firing through our nervous system and in our brain and we start to be able to think and see the thing that triggers us and not have the physical response.
- 9:01Kelly Howe: So it just neutralizes it.
- 9:02Kelly Howe: It's fascinating.
- 9:10Michelle Gauthier: It's so fascinating, it's so cool and I actually have had experience with Kelly doing tapping at a retreat that I went to.
- 9:13Michelle Gauthier: I went on a retreat of women business owners, which I talked about on this podcast, so you guys might remember that, and Kelly did tapping with our whole group and it was so cool and fascinating to me because what we were talking about was being afraid to be seen, and so she had us picture, picture yourself being on a stage, picture all the people in the audience, picture what you're going to be talking about and then how stressed are you?
- 9:39Michelle Gauthier: On a scale of 1 to 10.
- 9:40Michelle Gauthier: And when she had previously started by saying, are you afraid to be seen?
- 9:43Michelle Gauthier: How afraid are you to be seen, I was like, oh, one out of 10, two out of 10.
- 9:47Michelle Gauthier: I'm not afraid.
- 9:48Michelle Gauthier: I've had my own business.
- 9:49Michelle Gauthier: I'm posting on social media all the time.
- 9:51Michelle Gauthier: Nothing.
- 9:51Michelle Gauthier: But then, Kelly, you pulled that card.
- 9:53Michelle Gauthier: I was like, oh crap, now I'm like a nine out of 10.
- 9:58Michelle Gauthier: But it was so fascinating to me that as we went through the whole exercise, by the end I could get myself down to a three and picture myself walking out on that stage and giving a talk that made sense and that I could be calm about.
- 10:12Michelle Gauthier: In my mind it was crazy to feel I was fine about it.
- 10:16Michelle Gauthier: Then I wasn't fine about it.
- 10:18Michelle Gauthier: I felt really triggered and then I got back down to being fine about it and it's so neat and that's why I really wanted to have you come on today and talk about this.
- 10:27Kelly Howe: I've gotten so good at triggering people.
- 10:30Kelly Howe: It's what I do for a living and I honestly I'm kind of making light of it, but I do it in a very gentle way, in a way that kind of brings it up so that we can then clear out that block.
- 10:40Kelly Howe: And we were working on being seen.
- 10:42Kelly Howe: And, of course, you know, most of us get comfortable at a certain level but then, like for you getting ready to do the podcast, maybe you had to break through that next level.
- 10:50Kelly Howe: And then you know, as we put content out there, a written word, like sometimes we have to break through that again, or putting ourself out there in a different space, it just breaks through a different layer of it.
- 11:01Kelly Howe: And so, of course, with the group, I had, you guys, imagine being in a gigantic stadium and I think it was like we imagined that Brene Brown was there or something.
- 11:10Kelly Howe: I really was like okay, really, let's dial this up a little bit, but because we can activate the nervous system, we can also retrain it to feel safe in that environment.
- 11:18Kelly Howe: And it is incredibly empowering to be able to work through your fears in such a systematic, effective and really rapid way.
- 11:26Kelly Howe: It's wild.
- 11:28Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, and it feels so safe because you're in your own space and I, at least, tapping with you, I knew that you would bring it back down.
- 11:37Michelle Gauthier: You activate triggers but then you bring it back down, so you are always feeling safe as you're kind of going through it.
- 11:44Michelle Gauthier: So what are some of your favorite results that you've gotten from with your clients over time?
- 11:51Kelly Howe: One of my favorite things that I like to work with people on is that mind-body-money connection, which, of course, we did on the Wild Expansion Retreat, because everybody has to deal with money.
- 12:02Kelly Howe: Nobody gets out of planet earth without having to deal with money, and no matter how much we have or no matter how much scarcity or abundance we had growing up, we all have weird stuff around money and it holds us back, it stresses us out and it keeps us from living our fullest life, and so I love working on tapping around money.
- 12:20Kelly Howe: And the thing that I see over and over again that's so interesting is that people will come to me - I've had the privilege of I have a handful of entrepreneurs that I've been working with really for like five or six years now, and they will come to me and say, I just had this client drop out out of nowhere, and they're like a 10, because it feels like life or death, is my business going to go under, and I can usually get them regulated within a matter of 15 or 20 minutes, and not only that.
- 12:48Kelly Howe: You know, on the metaphysical level I don't know if you talk about this much on the podcast, but it's like energetically, once we clear out that next level of fear and kind of trauma around money, we drastically open ourself up for like floodgates of abundance to flow to us.
- 13:01Kelly Howe: So that might sound like really woo-woo to some people, but I have seen this happen so many times it's insane.
- 13:06Kelly Howe: A nd it's almost like if we can use the wound and the stress to just clear out what's there, then the floodgates open.
- 13:16Kelly Howe: And I've seen that over and over again with these entrepreneurs where it's like they lose a client, they do some tapping and then all of a sudden they get three clients that are even more aligned and they think they're going to have their worst year ever and instead they have their best year ever, you know.
- 13:28Kelly Howe: So I love working on stuff like that.
- 13:30Kelly Howe: I also like to share, you know, I have a love for working with people that have kind of strange health issues.
- 13:37Kelly Howe: Also, it's kind of like a side niche that I have I don't really advertise, but people that have, you know, strange pains or chronic illness and if they just are curious about like what might emotionally be going on behind the scenes, to be hijacking my immune system and really, you know, not allowing me to rest and digest and get better.
- 14:02Kelly Howe: I had a client come to me one time who had really bad pelvic pain.
- 14:02Kelly Howe: She had been to doctors, and she had been I mean, she'd had surgeries and she'd had all these things done and within a matter of probably 15 or 20 minutes, we had uncovered that it was actually related to an old trauma that she had never shared with anyone, and the birth of her child, which was a very traumatic birth, had actually re-activated the stress, unknowingly, in a very deep subconscious space, had re-triggered the stress around this trauma that had never been spoken about before.
- 14:30Kelly Howe: So when we were able to tap and, you know, release the emotions behind this thing that happened so many years ago I think I worked with her two times and that pain that was so severe and she'd had surgery on was gone.
- 14:45Michelle Gauthier: That is absolutely amazing.
- 14:48Michelle Gauthier: Oh my gosh, how rewarding.
- 14:52Kelly Howe: It is.
- 14:52Kelly Howe: You know, and I have to say, with the physical stuff it doesn't always work like that.
- 14:56Kelly Howe: There's an emotional component and a nervous system component to all physical discomfort and all illness, right?
- 15:03Kelly Howe: So sometimes we get responses like that and that's not the only time I've seen that kind of really rapid release and really incredible response.
- 15:11Kelly Howe: But sometimes what we see is like a gradual release over time and then people just gradually start to get better.
- 15:17Kelly Howe: Because when we can kick ourselves out of fight or flight and allow our body to truly rest and digest, we have energy in our body to put towards resources for healing and the body can do what it's designed to do.
- 15:29Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point too.
- 15:31Michelle Gauthier: So even if the tapping doesn't heal the thing, it heals your thinking and your nervous system so that you can heal yourself.
- 15:39Michelle Gauthier: I talk a lot about the mind-body connection in my coaching, and one of the things that I work on a lot with my clients is being able to know what emotion you're feeling in your body.
- 15:50Michelle Gauthier: So if you're feeling anxious, what does that feel like to you?
- 15:54Michelle Gauthier: And if you're feeling, I don't know, joyful, what does that feel like to you?
- 15:58Michelle Gauthier: And I do think that it is easier to notice your body once you get practice at that, to say, oh, there's something, I know there's something going on with me, because I can feel it somewhere in my body.
- 16:10Michelle Gauthier: I was just wondering if you agree with that.
- 16:14Kelly Howe: Oh my gosh.
- 16:14Kelly Howe: Yeah, absolutely, and unfortunately, culturally, and I think it's getting a lot better with recent generations but we weren't taught to really tune into that feeling or acknowledge it or give value to it.
- 16:28Kelly Howe: It was just annoying and shut it down and make it go away and suck it up and you're fine, you're fine, you're fine.
- 16:36Kelly Howe: And so we learned to do that to ourself and be like I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
- 16:40Kelly Howe: And especially for people who grew up in a lot of discomfort and it didn't have to even be wildly traumatic, but like a stressful childhood there was probably a lot of deep physical reaction to that discomfort and we don't have a tool like tapping to help process it and help our body feel safe.
- 16:59Kelly Howe: So we have really no choice but to just kind of like push it down and move on.
- 17:02Kelly Howe: And so we get really good at pushing it down and moving on, so much so that we actually start to create a separation between the mind and the body.
- 17:09Kelly Howe: And so the mind is saying I'm fine, I'm okay.
- 17:13Kelly Howe: This is exactly where I was, by the way, when I was working as a nurse.
- 17:16Kelly Howe: I was like all about like affirmations and stay positive, and I still am.
- 17:22Kelly Howe: I just have this other side too, where I'm like okay, I need to acknowledge what's actually physically going on too, because I got so good at zooming out and seeing the bigger picture and recognizing, like, everyone's role in it and I didn't get really emotional about anything because I could see this broader picture, I could see how things were working out.
- 17:39Kelly Howe: But there was this other human aching pain inside of me that I had learned to just completely disregard, and so that mind-body disconnect is so real and so many of us are dealing with that.
- 17:52Kelly Howe: So, yeah, just starting to name like, what do I feel and where do I feel that in my body?
- 17:57Kelly Howe: Just that awareness alone is enough to start to allow that to process and release.
- 18:02Kelly Howe: And then there's the stuff that's a little bit stickier, that's been there for longer, and sometimes putting awareness on it is what we need to get in tune with how uncomfortable it is, but it might not necessarily release it in a way that it's like, okay, now I realize that I'm anxious but now what the hell do I do with it?
- 18:21Michelle Gauthier: Yes, yeah, exactly.
- 18:21Michelle Gauthier: Now I feel this anxiety, I don't have anything to do with it.
- 18:24Michelle Gauthier: That's when you need Kelly, you need your tapping.
- 18:26Michelle Gauthier: So if somebody's interested in learning more about this, where should they go?
- 18:32Kelly Howe: Yes, so my website is kellyhowe.
- 18:33Kelly Howe: co.
- 18:35Kelly Howe: People all the time ask me if I'm missing the M.
- 18:38Kelly Howe: No, I am not.
- 18:38Kelly Howe: It's just dot co.
- 18:39Kelly Howe: Dot co.
- 18:41Kelly Howe: Or connect with me on Instagram.
- 18:43Kelly Howe: It's @kellyhowecoaching on Instagram.
- 18:45Kelly Howe: Yeah, I mean, definitely I like to connect on Instagram, so check out, you know, check it out there.
- 18:51Kelly Howe: Shoot me a DM if you have questions about anything and we'll get you set up.
- 18:59Michelle Gauthier: Okay, Sounds good.
- 19:00Michelle Gauthier: If you're not taking one-on-one clients at the moment and they just want to know what tapping is, can they just try tapping on their own?
- 19:05Michelle Gauthier: Is there someplace you would recommend that they go?
- 19:08Kelly Howe: Yes, absolutely so.
- 19:09Kelly Howe: I do a lot of educating on my Instagram page, so you'll find some information there about how to tap on your own.
- 19:15Kelly Howe: One of the resources that I send almost everybody to is The Tapping Solution.
- 19:19Kelly Howe: They have a documentary which I recommend everybody watch.
- 19:23Kelly Howe: It's really great.
- 19:23Kelly Howe: They take 10 people through 10 different issues and you literally see this transformation over a week.
- 19:29Kelly Howe: But they have a website that has a ton of free resources.
- 19:32Kelly Howe: They also have a free app and you can download it.
- 19:36Kelly Howe: It's short, little meditations.
- 19:38Kelly Howe: Absolutely, people can learn to do this on their own.
- 19:41Kelly Howe: I would say they should.
- 19:42Kelly Howe: I truly think this is something that eventually will be taught in schools as just regular self-care, and that's kind of what I call like over-the-counter tapping.
- 19:51Kelly Howe: It's like okay, how can I help process my stress today?
- 19:54Kelly Howe: You know, how can I take care of myself?
- 19:56Kelly Howe: How can I recognize where I might be carrying some stress and start to release and remove that or just acknowledge it, right?
- 20:03Kelly Howe: The second, deeper piece of that is we can take it into looking at our wounding in our past and use tapping on that very specific, like working through old memories, to start breaking apart these patterns at a nervous system level from things that happened to us a long time ago, you know so, in the example of the spider, for example.
- 20:20Kelly Howe: Now that is one of those kind of hardwired fears that a lot of us just have.
- 20:26Kelly Howe: Like it's just a primal response to that, but a lot of times there's a memory that goes with it where the fear was really solidified.
- 20:31Kelly Howe: And so for the example of the person that I used the other day, of course, as we start tapping, our memories will start coming forward and then suddenly we have a memory of being in third grade and it's like, oh, no wonder I'm afraid of being afraid a spider will jump on me, because I remember being in third grade and my brother came in the room and threw a spider at me, and that was the memory that really created this big nervous system stress response to the spider.
- 20:58Kelly Howe: So thinking about things like business or at work relationships, things that are triggering us, usually actually come from a very long time ago, and so there are ways to learn how to do that on your own.
- 21:09Kelly Howe: But I would say, if you're working with stuff in the past, especially if it's really big stuff, you want to work with a practitioner that knows what they're doing, because you want to help yourself.
- 21:18Kelly Howe: You don't want to re-traumatize yourself, so definitely.
- 21:21Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, yeah, that doesn't sound over the counter that part.
- 21:23Michelle Gauthier: No, that's when you got to call Kelly or somebody else.
- 21:27Kelly Howe: Yeah, I will say I tapped on my own for years, like I think three years, before I ever tapped with someone else, and I'm kind of a DIY warrior, like I learned how to do this and was doing probably some memories that wouldn't be advised, so it is possible, if you're kind of that person, that's like no, I'm going to do this.
- 21:45Kelly Howe: And while I really really think that everyone would benefit from a one-on-one session, I also like to think it's disempowering to tell people that they have to work with someone.
- 21:54Kelly Howe: So you know, that's the other side of it.
- 21:56Kelly Howe: It's like, yes, be safe, don't go into places where you shouldn't without support, and you're your own person.
- 22:03Kelly Howe: So if you feel like you can manage it, then I'm not going to sit here and say, don't, you know?
- 22:09Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, yes, well, I will share one thing and this might be helpful to the moms who are listening is that one of my kids was feeling super, super anxious, like so anxious.
- 22:19Michelle Gauthier: He couldn't go to school for a while and tapping was the thing that we tried and we got up and did that proactively every morning for like a week and it didn't solve every single problem, but he went to school.
- 22:31Michelle Gauthier: It was enough, and I think for kids especially - it's totally my opinion, maybe there's some science behind this, Kelly - but it just seemed like meditation was really hard for him, especially because he has ADHD.
- 22:42Michelle Gauthier: So for him to have something to do with his hands, I think that was a much better way to handle the stress and anxiety than just talking about it.
- 22:51Kelly Howe: I agree, and I'm so glad you brought that up, because I think there's a lot of us running around where we're too dysregulated to actually sit down and just clear our mind and try to meditate.
- 23:01Kelly Howe: And that goes for adults as well, definitely for a teenager, teenage, boy.
- 23:05Kelly Howe: There's so many of us that like tried meditation because it does work.
- 23:09Kelly Howe: It is so powerful and I don't mean to discount it.
- 23:12Kelly Howe: But if we can regulate our nervous system just a little bit first, a lot of times, then we can sit down and do the meditation.
- 23:19Kelly Howe: And I'm somebody who can speak to that as well.
- 23:21Kelly Howe: Like definitely have ADD, always have.
- 23:24Kelly Howe: I mean, I'm not like diagnosed, but if you read the symptom list, I check every single one of them and you know I have kind of a different perspective on it.
- 23:34Kelly Howe: I know there's a lot of different reasons and causes.
- 23:36Kelly Howe: One of the things I think that doesn't get talked about and gets missed for kids and adults is that very intuitive people tend to have ADD and I like to think that that's because they're actually tuned in to different things, so that makes so much sense.
- 23:50Kelly Howe: They're sensitive, and they're tuning into the energy of the room and so of course they can't they can't focus on their teacher, because the kid next to them is really dealing with a lot of stress and so they're kind of being pulled in a different direction.
- 24:01Kelly Howe: So I would say, anybody that suffers from like a really wildly busy mind, definitely try tapping before sitting down to meditate.
- 24:10Kelly Howe: And, like I said, that's just what works for me.
- 24:12Kelly Howe: It helps me to kind of like feel calm and then I can sit and, you know, really be in meditation.
- 24:18Kelly Howe: But I'm really glad you brought that up, yeah yeah, okay, well, thank you so much.
- 24:23Michelle Gauthier: This is such good information and I've brought it up a couple times since I met you and got to know about tapping and there are just so many people who haven't heard of it or like, oh, I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is.
- 24:34Michelle Gauthier: So hopefully this will help spread the word and people can get some over-the-counter tapping and reach out to you if they need more than that.
- 24:40Michelle Gauthier: But thank you so much, I appreciate it.
- 24:42Michelle Gauthier: Okay, Kelly, before we wrap up, I know you have a podcast, so if they want to listen to your podcast, tell us the name and where to find it.
- 24:50Kelly Howe: On Apple and Spotify is the Manifestation Lab Podcast, and that's for those of you out there that do have a woo-woo side and like to explore the mystical.
- 24:59Kelly Howe: That's what I love talking about, so you'll enjoy it if that's your gig.
- 25:03Michelle Gauthier: If that's your jam, okay, cool, all right.
- 25:05Michelle Gauthier: Thank you so much.
- 25:06Michelle Gauthier: Thanks for listening today to that fascinating interview.
- 25:09Michelle Gauthier: I absolutely loved learning about how Kelly is helping her clients using this tapping solution with everything from physical pain to being scared of something to making more money.
- 25:18Michelle Gauthier: Check out the Tapping Solution or Kelly's website if you're interested in learning more about that, and don't forget, if you haven't done it already, to please leave us a review.
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- 25:39Michelle Gauthier: Thanks for listening.
- 25:41Michelle Gauthier: See you next week.
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- 25:49Michelle Gauthier: If you want to learn more about my work, head over to my website at michellegauthier.
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