Latest / Heavyweight / Jonathan Vs. Kalila on Smash Boom Best
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- 0:15Speaker 1: Pushkin. Welcome to the studio, Khalila Holt, producer.
- 0:22Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
- 0:25Speaker 3: You know, I'm not.
- 0:26Speaker 1: Saying that you should, but it would sometimes be nice
- 0:28Speaker 1: to be welcomed into the studio myself.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Well, you've always just jumped right in, and I know
- 0:32Speaker 2: you are welcoming me, you don't really give me the opportunity.
- 0:35Speaker 2: Welcome to the studio, Jonathan.
- 0:37Speaker 1: Oh gee, I was taken unawares by that we're here
- 0:44Speaker 1: in the studio because we have something a little different,
- 0:47Speaker 1: a special treat Yeah, it's something that was new for
- 0:51Speaker 1: both of us, Khalila and I. We were guests on
- 0:54Speaker 1: a children's debate podcast.
- 0:57Speaker 2: The show is called Smash Boom Best and it's a
- 1:01Speaker 2: favorite of your son, Augius. If I'm not.
- 1:03Speaker 1: Mistaken, Yes, very much so, which is how it kind
- 1:07Speaker 1: of got onto my radar. I started enjoying listening to
- 1:10Speaker 1: it with him and the host, Molly Bloom is kind
- 1:15Speaker 1: of a celeb in our household, so I was a
- 1:18Speaker 1: little starstruck.
- 1:19Speaker 2: You know, I'm always wary of children's programming because I
- 1:22Speaker 2: hate the kind of like over the top smiley baby voice,
- 1:26Speaker 2: like to syrap. Yeah, but I started listening to the
- 1:30Speaker 2: show in advance of doing this, and I feel like
- 1:33Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the show. They're talking to kids at
- 1:36Speaker 2: like a level that respects their intelligence.
- 1:38Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, and since we respect you, our
- 1:42Speaker 1: listener's intelligence is it's why we chose to share this
- 1:46Speaker 1: episode Yeah with you all.
- 1:49Speaker 2: We'll be debating phone calls versus texting.
- 1:53Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil anything. We went pretty toe
- 1:56Speaker 1: to toe. It got pretty heated during certain moments, but
- 2:00Speaker 1: you know we're here to talk about it. We're still
- 2:03Speaker 1: speaking to one another. So the point is it's always
- 2:07Speaker 1: better to use your words rather than a knuckle sandwich
- 2:11Speaker 1: to the throat of your adversary.
- 2:13Speaker 2: Sure, thank you for not giving me a knuckle sandwich
- 2:16Speaker 2: to the throat.
- 2:17Speaker 1: I deliver my knuckle sandwiches with words, songs. Bo We
- 2:23Speaker 1: had a lot of fun doing it, and we hope
- 2:24Speaker 1: you'll enjoy listening to it. And that's all coming up
- 2:28Speaker 1: after these.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Fun words from our sponsors.
- 2:38Speaker 4: Brains On Universe.
- 2:43Speaker 5: From the brains behind brains On, It's smash Boom Best.
- 2:48Speaker 6: The show for people with big opinions.
- 2:52Speaker 7: Hi, I'm Molly Bloom and this is Smash Boom Best,
- 2:55Speaker 7: the show where we take two things, smash them together
- 2:58Speaker 7: and ask you to decide which one is best. Today,
- 3:01Speaker 7: we've got two ways of reaching out. One starts with
- 3:04Speaker 7: a ring, the other a ding. It's calling versus tech.
- 3:09Speaker 7: Whether you like to type or talk, We're sure you'll
- 3:12Speaker 7: have a lot to say about this one, defending the
- 3:15Speaker 7: tradition of talking on the phone. It's a host of
- 3:17Speaker 7: the Heavyweight podcast, Jonathan Goldstein.
- 3:20Speaker 1: How do you do?
- 3:21Speaker 7: And here to hit send for the art of the text,
- 3:24Speaker 7: It's Khalila Holt, producer of the Heavyweight podcast.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Hello, or should I say a handwave emoji?
- 3:32Speaker 7: And here to judge this clash of the communication styles
- 3:36Speaker 7: is none other than Ella from Oregon City. Ella is
- 3:39Speaker 7: on the swim team, plays flute and saxophone, loves to
- 3:42Speaker 7: make art, and has lots of bracelets on both of
- 3:45Speaker 7: her arms. Welcome Ella, Hi, okay Ella. Since it's a podcast,
- 3:50Speaker 7: we cannot see your amazing bracelets, So can you give
- 3:52Speaker 7: us a sense of the scope of your bracelets?
- 3:55Speaker 6: I have probably like twenty five on right now.
- 3:58Speaker 7: Wow, have you made all of them?
- 4:00Speaker 6: I've probably made half of them?
- 4:02Speaker 7: Incredible? What are we talking about? Like like string beads,
- 4:05Speaker 7: all of the above.
- 4:06Speaker 6: All of the above.
- 4:07Speaker 7: Wow, do you have a favorite?
- 4:09Speaker 6: I recently made one with soda tabs and it's really
- 4:13Speaker 6: cool and it's stringy.
- 4:14Speaker 7: That's very impressive. Just soda tabs.
- 4:17Speaker 6: Yes, well, an string.
- 4:18Speaker 7: What is the oldest bracelet that you have on?
- 4:21Speaker 6: I have one that I got in sixth grade and
- 4:23Speaker 6: it says Kindest Ambassador on it and I have worn
- 4:28Speaker 6: it for three years.
- 4:29Speaker 7: It's amazing. So the ones on your arms right now,
- 4:31Speaker 7: are they like an every day? You wear each one
- 4:33Speaker 7: every day? Or do you change it up?
- 4:35Speaker 6: Sometimes I change it up, but most of them might
- 4:36Speaker 6: keep it on like all the time.
- 4:38Speaker 7: Very cool. Okay, So you also make other kinds of
- 4:41Speaker 7: art besides bracelets. What other kind of media do you
- 4:44Speaker 7: use to make art?
- 4:46Speaker 6: I love like drawing and painting and stuff, but I
- 4:50Speaker 6: also like music.
- 4:51Speaker 7: Oh yes, you play saxophone and flute. So I'm wondering
- 4:56Speaker 7: when you're playing flute versus when you're playing saxophone, is
- 4:59Speaker 7: there like a vibe shift that you feel or is
- 5:01Speaker 7: it kind of the same.
- 5:03Speaker 6: It's definitely different vibes because I play more like jazz
- 5:07Speaker 6: music on the saxophone, and then and I do more
- 5:10Speaker 6: like popular songs or like concert music on the flute.
- 5:14Speaker 7: So when you're playing the saxophone, if you said hello
- 5:17Speaker 7: in your like saxophone playing voice, like, what would that
- 5:20Speaker 7: sound like? Oh?
- 5:21Speaker 6: I don't know, I'd probably be like hello nice.
- 5:25Speaker 7: And how about your flute playing voice? What would that
- 5:27Speaker 7: hello sound like?
- 5:28Speaker 1: Hello?
- 5:31Speaker 7: Excellent? Excellent? Well will Ella side with texting or phone calls?
- 5:36Speaker 7: Let's see first the rules of the game. Every debate
- 5:39Speaker 7: consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round,
- 5:43Speaker 7: the sneak attack, and the final six. After each round,
- 5:46Speaker 7: our judge Ella will award points to the team that
- 5:49Speaker 7: impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top
- 5:52Speaker 7: secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want
- 5:55Speaker 7: you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen.
- 5:58Speaker 7: At the end of the show, head to our website
- 6:01Speaker 7: smash boom dot org and vote for whichever team you
- 6:04Speaker 7: think one. Okay, Khalila, Ella, and Jonathan are you ready?
- 6:09Speaker 6: Oh?
- 6:09Speaker 1: I'm ready.
- 6:10Speaker 2: I hope so.
- 6:11Speaker 6: I'm ready too.
- 6:14Speaker 7: Then it's time for the.
- 6:16Speaker 5: Declaration of greatness.
- 6:19Speaker 7: In this round, our debaters will present a well crafted,
- 6:22Speaker 7: immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each
- 6:25Speaker 7: have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements. We flipped
- 6:29Speaker 7: a coin and Jonathan, you're up first. Tell us why
- 6:33Speaker 7: we should answer the call of talking on the phone.
- 6:36Speaker 1: What's the sound of being loved? A heartbeat? No, that's
- 6:43Speaker 1: just body plumbing? Is it someone saying I love you?
- 6:48Speaker 1: I'd argue actions speak louder than words, which is why
- 6:52Speaker 1: to me, the sound of being loved is a phone call.
- 6:58Speaker 1: It says, Hey, I like hearing your voice. I like
- 7:02Speaker 1: the way you laugh, your awkward pauses. It says I
- 7:06Speaker 1: want to spend my precious minutes in real time with you,
- 7:10Speaker 1: even if I can't be there in real life. A
- 7:13Speaker 1: text just says, shoot, I just remembered you asked me
- 7:17Speaker 1: a question yesterday, and I'm going to write you back
- 7:19Speaker 1: while I finish up on the toilet. Phone calls are efficient,
- 7:27Speaker 1: oh sure, Texters will say a text is quick, to
- 7:31Speaker 1: which I say, what are you rushing for? More scrolling
- 7:35Speaker 1: to get to? But also texts can be slow. How
- 7:39Speaker 1: many times have you sent a question then had to
- 7:42Speaker 1: wait for a reply, like say you're planning a picnic.
- 7:46Speaker 2: Hey, Chad, where should we meet? Come on right back?
- 7:56Speaker 1: You could be waiting minutes or hours. You have no idea. Finally,
- 8:02Speaker 1: it's been three hours.
- 8:04Speaker 2: Okay, Chad says.
- 8:05Speaker 1: Meet at Mini haha Falls?
- 8:07Speaker 2: Sure, but what time? Come on? Just answer me.
- 8:12Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the whole thing could have been settled in fifteen
- 8:15Speaker 1: seconds with a call.
- 8:19Speaker 2: Hey, Chad, where should we picnic?
- 8:21Speaker 3: How about minni haha falls?
- 8:22Speaker 4: When sis spring cheese and crackers?
- 8:25Speaker 6: Nah?
- 8:26Speaker 2: Fruit pizza?
- 8:27Speaker 5: Okay?
- 8:27Speaker 2: Sea later.
- 8:30Speaker 1: That sufficient phone calls avoid confusion. You can hear someone's tone,
- 8:37Speaker 1: whether it's playful, angry, grumpy, or snarky. Texts are so
- 8:43Speaker 1: easy to get wrong.
- 8:45Speaker 7: Is Chad being sarcastic or a jerk?
- 8:49Speaker 5: Oh?
- 8:49Speaker 7: He sent an emoji to clarify cool guy with shades?
- 8:53Speaker 7: What does that even mean?
- 8:55Speaker 1: Plus what emoticon can replace the sound of human laughter
- 8:59Speaker 1: or that special silence that you know is a smile
- 9:02Speaker 1: on the other end of the line. You can feel
- 9:05Speaker 1: real feelings through a call. I've seen someone stand right
- 9:08Speaker 1: now to me and texts someone rfol and let me
- 9:13Speaker 1: tell you they were not rolling on the floor laughing.
- 9:17Speaker 1: I'm not going to say texting is dishonest, but it
- 9:20Speaker 1: does make it easy to lie. There's a famous story
- 9:25Speaker 1: about the first phone call in eighteen seventy six, Alexander
- 9:29Speaker 1: Graham Bell was inventing the phone. So far, he'd only
- 9:33Speaker 1: managed to send snippets of speech, but then he spilled
- 9:37Speaker 1: some acid on his hand in the lab.
- 9:40Speaker 3: Mister Watson, come here, I want you.
- 9:43Speaker 1: He used the phone without realizing it to call his assistant,
- 9:48Speaker 1: and it worked.
- 9:49Speaker 3: Mister Bell, I heard every word you said distinctly.
- 9:58Speaker 1: Is there even a story of the first text message
- 10:02Speaker 1: that's rhetorical? I don't care, because it's definitely not as
- 10:06Speaker 1: good phone calls are memory, like a cousin telling you
- 10:11Speaker 1: about a new baby joining the family, or a friend
- 10:14Speaker 1: comforting you after a breakup. And no wonder. Humans have
- 10:18Speaker 1: been talking and listening to each other's voices for over
- 10:21Speaker 1: one hundred thousand years, way longer than writing. We evolved
- 10:26Speaker 1: to talk and listen, I'd argue, it's one of the
- 10:29Speaker 1: greatest pleasures of being a human. So the call is coming,
- 10:34Speaker 1: the call to enjoy a conversation, not just get to
- 10:38Speaker 1: it next time you're on the toilet. The call to
- 10:41Speaker 1: revel in human voices, the call to say I love you,
- 10:45Speaker 1: not with words but with actions, The call to make
- 10:50Speaker 1: a call. Are you going to answer it?
- 11:00Speaker 7: Well? Said, well, how to do that? Was a heartwarming
- 11:05Speaker 7: declaration of greatness there, Ella, what's it out to you
- 11:08Speaker 7: about Jonathan's are huments.
- 11:10Speaker 6: That actions do speak louder than words.
- 11:13Speaker 7: Very nice? Okay, Khalila, you have thirty seconds to send
- 11:18Speaker 7: Jonathan straight to voicemail, and your thirty seconds starts right now.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Okay, man, I don't know if thirty seconds is going
- 11:26Speaker 2: to be enough. First of all, I think that being
- 11:28Speaker 2: loved is about, you know, showing the other person that
- 11:32Speaker 2: you understand what they want. And sometimes that's not always
- 11:35Speaker 2: a phone call. So a lot of people don't like
- 11:37Speaker 2: being called the time thing. I just think that it's
- 11:41Speaker 2: not true that calls are faster. So many times I've
- 11:44Speaker 2: been in a situation where I'm calling, leaving a message,
- 11:47Speaker 2: they don't answer, they call me back, I'm in the
- 11:49Speaker 2: middle of something I can't answer it, they leave a message,
- 11:52Speaker 2: and you know what we always do, We always switch
- 11:54Speaker 2: to texting and time.
- 11:57Speaker 1: I found that surprisingly hurtful. I thought this was just
- 12:00Speaker 1: going to, you know, be about the topics. But that
- 12:03Speaker 1: feels somehow, ad Homine, I don't know why.
- 12:07Speaker 2: I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
- 12:09Speaker 1: You're welcome. How did you say it with your mouth? Oh?
- 12:17Speaker 7: My goodness. All right, we have a lot more to
- 12:19Speaker 7: hear coming up. We're gonna hear from Khalila and team texting.
- 12:22Speaker 7: But first break.
- 12:34Speaker 5: Ol smash.
- 12:36Speaker 7: Smash. Okay, we were all ears for phone calls. Khalila,
- 12:42Speaker 7: take it away for texting.
- 12:44Speaker 2: Imagine you call your childhood friend Dot a random Tuesday Hello,
- 12:51Speaker 2: Hey Pal, I'm.
- 12:52Speaker 7: In the middle of like ten things right now, and
- 12:53Speaker 7: I'm holding a jumbo tray of sandwich fixens.
- 12:56Speaker 6: Is everything okay?
- 12:57Speaker 2: Remember that time when we built a sand castle?
- 13:00Speaker 1: What?
- 13:01Speaker 2: No, the sprouts are slipping?
- 13:03Speaker 1: Are you okay?
- 13:04Speaker 2: Remember when we went to Claire's and we got our
- 13:06Speaker 2: ears pierced?
- 13:07Speaker 6: My ears closed up years ago?
- 13:09Speaker 4: Did you need something?
- 13:10Speaker 2: Remember how I used to laugh?
- 13:12Speaker 8: I'm sorry?
- 13:13Speaker 2: What is the purpose of this call? I was just
- 13:15Speaker 2: thinking about you.
- 13:17Speaker 5: I have to go. Wow.
- 13:20Speaker 2: I don't know if she'll ever talk to me again.
- 13:22Speaker 2: But that's the risk I took, calling someone out of
- 13:25Speaker 2: the blue, violating the piece of her day. Let's try
- 13:29Speaker 2: again with a text, Hey Paal, thinking of you? She
- 13:37Speaker 2: wrote back, Ah, it says miss you too. Now we're
- 13:42Speaker 2: both smiling and no days we're ruined. I'm a reporter
- 13:48Speaker 2: making phone calls is part of my job. Cold calls,
- 13:52Speaker 2: as in a call where the person isn't expecting you,
- 13:54Speaker 2: are not fun. Said person answers the phone already feeling annoyed,
- 13:59Speaker 2: and you have to explain who you are and why
- 14:01Speaker 2: you're calling as quickly as possible before they hang up.
- 14:04Speaker 2: A few times have you even been yelled at on
- 14:06Speaker 2: the phone. It's my least favorite part of the job,
- 14:08Speaker 2: and I usually cry.
- 14:12Speaker 5: But the telephone is an incredible invention.
- 14:16Speaker 2: Sure so is the horse drawn carriage. But we have
- 14:19Speaker 2: cars now. We change with the times.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Ugh not me.
- 14:22Speaker 5: I still love my horse and carriage and my phone calls.
- 14:29Speaker 2: Well, great for you, mister retro chic, but for the
- 14:31Speaker 2: rest of us, a phone call causes panic. Maybe twenty
- 14:35Speaker 2: years ago, a ringing phone meant something like Marjorie down
- 14:38Speaker 2: the street is inviting you over for homemade cast role.
- 14:42Speaker 2: How charming, the essays though, A call is either spam
- 14:46Speaker 2: your college that cost you two hundred thousand dollars, asking
- 14:49Speaker 2: if you'd like to give them more money, or someone
- 14:52Speaker 2: delivering bad news.
- 14:54Speaker 5: Sometimes it's also a butt dial. Those are fun, right
- 14:58Speaker 5: are they?
- 14:58Speaker 2: Five minutes of wrestling? Okay? Plus, have you ever tried
- 15:02Speaker 2: to get off the phone with someone and they keep
- 15:04Speaker 2: dragging it out. It's a whole song and dance of
- 15:07Speaker 2: going okay in a way that's supposed to sound final,
- 15:10Speaker 2: while the other person completely ignores the hint and launches
- 15:12Speaker 2: into a detailed anecdote about new serials on offer at
- 15:15Speaker 2: their grocery store. Text, on the other hand, and whenever
- 15:19Speaker 2: you want them to you just stop responding beautiful, and
- 15:24Speaker 2: you don't have to play phone tech trying to get
- 15:26Speaker 2: an answer. Just send your question and the other person
- 15:29Speaker 2: responds when they can ideal. There's also the matter of
- 15:33Speaker 2: being in public. Someone calls to chat and any random
- 15:38Speaker 2: stranger can listen in on my conversation. I would like
- 15:41Speaker 2: to be able to tell my mom about how I
- 15:43Speaker 2: cried over accidentally ordering the wrong breakfast burrito without broadcasting
- 15:46Speaker 2: it to the world. It is simply not the world's business.
- 15:50Speaker 2: And speaking of being in public, we've all been trapped
- 15:53Speaker 2: near someone on a loud phone call. It's a nightmare.
- 15:57Speaker 2: Texting is silent. It is the considerate choice. And here's
- 16:02Speaker 2: something phone calls can never give you a written record.
- 16:06Speaker 2: I can search my texts, find that address someone sent
- 16:09Speaker 2: me three months ago, and double check what time we
- 16:11Speaker 2: said we'd meet, a phone call just evaporates in the
- 16:14Speaker 2: thin air. And finally, texting isn't just words, it's photos, links, voice, memos, emojis,
- 16:22Speaker 2: a whole multimedia experience. Texting is even changing language itself.
- 16:28Speaker 2: Now we're all using new abbreviations and fun emojis to
- 16:31Speaker 2: express ourselves. It's like each one of us is a
- 16:34Speaker 2: modern day Shakespeare, inventing new ways to say things. So,
- 16:38Speaker 2: in conclusion, texting is convenient, considerate, less panicky, and frankly
- 16:44Speaker 2: more creative. Oh it's my childhood friend again, she says. Thanks,
- 16:49Speaker 2: that text brightened by day, and she sent me a
- 16:51Speaker 2: picture of some sandwiches she made. Let me text back
- 16:54Speaker 2: a drool emoji and a heart one too.
- 17:02Speaker 8: Very nicely done. I'm sending you gifts of lots of
- 17:05Speaker 8: people giving high fives.
- 17:07Speaker 7: Way to go. What's it out to you about Kleela's
- 17:10Speaker 7: decoration of greatness?
- 17:12Speaker 6: That, like, she was saying, how calls have to be
- 17:14Speaker 6: at a good time, and how like your texts are
- 17:17Speaker 6: private and like kept you can keep them to yourself.
- 17:23Speaker 7: Okay, Jonathan, it's time for your rebuttal. You've got thirty
- 17:26Speaker 7: seconds to leave Khalila on red and your time starts.
- 17:29Speaker 5: Now.
- 17:30Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned Shakespeare. I'm trying to remember which play
- 17:35Speaker 1: or Sonnet the smiley face was in. You say the
- 17:42Speaker 1: thing about how phone calls evaporate into air. But frankly, like,
- 17:47Speaker 1: I mean, all the best things in life, do you know,
- 17:49Speaker 1: like laughter and tears and our own human experiences themselves.
- 17:54Speaker 1: So I don't think you know that discounts them. I
- 17:58Speaker 1: think we're I think a lot of what you're saying
- 18:00Speaker 1: I feel very parental if it speaks to our isolation.
- 18:05Speaker 2: I'm anya sure if you want to talk about the
- 18:07Speaker 2: nature immortality, and but I just like to sort of
- 18:11Speaker 2: be able to look back at a nice text later,
- 18:13Speaker 2: you know.
- 18:14Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, we're just jumping too too
- 18:16Speaker 1: far ahead. I mean, like, why why do anything? You know,
- 18:19Speaker 1: like why sail a paper boat on a on a pond?
- 18:22Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
- 18:24Speaker 1: See, that's the problem right there, in two different languages.
- 18:28Speaker 1: I come from a generation where you know, you beat
- 18:31Speaker 1: a hoop down the street with a stick, you know,
- 18:35Speaker 1: and you've your generation has got AI solving all of that.
- 18:40Speaker 2: So I don't know about AI, but I don't think
- 18:45Speaker 2: it's a bad thing that we've you know, evolved beyond hoops.
- 18:48Speaker 2: We have other things to play with now than hoops
- 18:50Speaker 2: on streets.
- 18:52Speaker 7: Okite, Okay, Ella, it is time to award some points.
- 18:57Speaker 7: Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that
- 19:00Speaker 7: you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that
- 19:03Speaker 7: won you over. You get to decide what makes a
- 19:05Speaker 7: winning an argument. Did one team argue more passionately? Didn't
- 19:09Speaker 7: team have better logic? And wards your points, but don't
- 19:12Speaker 7: tell us who they're going to have you major your decision.
- 19:21Speaker 2: Yes, excellent Cleveland, Jonathan, how are you too feeling so
- 19:25Speaker 2: far feeling confident? I guess it's a weird I'm usually
- 19:29Speaker 2: so conflict avoidant that it's a weird mode for me.
- 19:31Speaker 1: To be in, and I feel like ready to throw
- 19:34Speaker 1: in the towel. I'm like, maybe she's right, Maybe phones
- 19:37Speaker 1: are for phonies.
- 19:40Speaker 7: All right, well, it's time for a quick break. Check
- 19:43Speaker 7: your messages and charge your phone, and.
- 19:45Speaker 6: We'll be right back with more smash boom. Best you're
- 19:49Speaker 6: listening to State of Debate Home to rage in rhetoric
- 19:53Speaker 6: and awe inspiring argumentation.
- 19:57Speaker 4: Meow, that's kat for Hello. I'm Taylor Lincoln. Debate Navin
- 20:01Speaker 4: and cat person.
- 20:02Speaker 3: Woof, woof, that's dog for feed me. And I'm Todd Douglas,
- 20:07Speaker 3: the dog Dude and debate power.
- 20:08Speaker 4: Have and we're here at our local animal shelter to
- 20:11Speaker 4: cuddle some canines and katy cutis and catch.
- 20:14Speaker 3: Some logical fallacies with our claws and paws.
- 20:17Speaker 4: Logical fallacies are uncool debate techniques that help you lose
- 20:21Speaker 4: your debates. And I just snagged a nasty one. Want
- 20:24Speaker 4: to hear it?
- 20:25Speaker 3: Oh that's dog for of course. Let's listen in and
- 20:29Speaker 3: see what the cat dragged in.
- 20:35Speaker 7: Oh, look at these little kittens in need of a home.
- 20:39Speaker 2: Oh what do you think, amos? Should I adopt one? Man?
- 20:43Speaker 6: Aren't they adorable?
- 20:45Speaker 2: Listen to their little mouse?
- 20:48Speaker 3: I don't really like cats.
- 20:49Speaker 1: Wait what, why?
- 20:52Speaker 7: And why didn't you put that on your dating profile?
- 20:55Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 20:55Speaker 3: I just think that they're mean, how so because they.
- 20:59Speaker 7: Can scratch and bite?
- 21:01Speaker 2: Dogs can also scratch and bite. Oh, this little fur
- 21:05Speaker 2: ball seems to love the way I'm petting him.
- 21:09Speaker 3: Because they're just not nice to people. Cats are mean
- 21:14Speaker 3: because they're not nice to people.
- 21:17Speaker 4: And they're not nice to people because they're mean.
- 21:20Speaker 3: Our friend just said the same thing twice. That argument
- 21:23Speaker 3: didn't take us anywhere, and that's.
- 21:25Speaker 4: Because it was a circular argument fallacy. That's what a
- 21:29Speaker 4: debater ends their point with the argument they started with.
- 21:32Speaker 4: It's an argument that goes around in circles like.
- 21:35Speaker 3: A dog chasing its tail. Our friend Aimous needs to
- 21:38Speaker 3: come up with some fresh ideas about why cats are mean.
- 21:42Speaker 4: Which is a losing argument anyway.
- 21:44Speaker 3: I don't know, Taylor. I've had a few gnarly run
- 21:47Speaker 3: ins with my neighbor's cat, Salsolito.
- 21:49Speaker 4: Watch it, Todd mclaus are coming out to.
- 21:52Speaker 3: Quote the great Scooby Doo. Yes, we'll see you next
- 21:59Speaker 3: time on See of the Day Smash Boom at best.
- 22:10Speaker 7: You're listening to Smash boombst. I'm your host, Molly Bloom
- 22:13Speaker 7: and I'm your judge Ella, and we love getting debate
- 22:16Speaker 7: suggestions from our listeners like this one.
- 22:19Speaker 2: Hi, my name is Wyatt.
- 22:21Speaker 5: I'm from Hamford, California. My debate suggestions Monoply versus Shanga.
- 22:27Speaker 6: A game night debate. Why it's not playing with this one.
- 22:30Speaker 7: We'll hear who why I thinks should win at the
- 22:32Speaker 7: end of the show.
- 22:33Speaker 6: And now back to this debate, calling versus texting.
- 22:37Speaker 7: And now it's time for round two, the.
- 22:41Speaker 1: Micro round.
- 22:43Speaker 7: It's time for a fact off. Khalila and Jonathan will
- 22:46Speaker 7: each get three chances to make a micro argument backed
- 22:48Speaker 7: by a cool factor idea. Jonathan went first last round,
- 22:51Speaker 7: so Khalila, please start us off.
- 22:54Speaker 2: Texting saved a life. In two thousand and eight, British
- 22:57Speaker 2: surgeon David Not was volunteering in the Congo and performed
- 23:01Speaker 2: a life saving operation, receiving a step by step surgical
- 23:04Speaker 2: instructions via text message. The operation was a success.
- 23:09Speaker 1: So wait, I just have a follow up question about
- 23:11Speaker 1: that little fun factoid. So he put down the scalpel
- 23:15Speaker 1: in order to be texting away.
- 23:17Speaker 2: I don't have information about the logistics of if I
- 23:20Speaker 2: maybe someone was reading them out loud.
- 23:23Speaker 1: Okay, all right. I do tend to think that if
- 23:27Speaker 1: it was just done on a phone, you can get
- 23:29Speaker 1: rid of the middleman and you wouldn't have to have
- 23:30Speaker 1: someone reading the text to them out loud. But anyway,
- 23:34Speaker 1: did you know that phone calls are good for your
- 23:37Speaker 1: mental health? And I've got some studies to prove it.
- 23:40Speaker 1: One study tested how people felt after calling an old
- 23:44Speaker 1: friend or just typing to them, and get this even
- 23:46Speaker 1: though people were worried that the call would be awkward,
- 23:50Speaker 1: it wasn't and it brought them closer to their friend.
- 23:53Speaker 1: And another study found that regular phone calls make people
- 23:55Speaker 1: feel less lonely.
- 23:57Speaker 2: That's nice. It's not quite as good as like saving
- 23:59Speaker 2: someone's life. But you know earlier you said there's no
- 24:04Speaker 2: story about the first text message. In fact there is.
- 24:06Speaker 2: The first text message was Merry Christmas, and it was
- 24:09Speaker 2: sent from a computer, not a phone. On December third,
- 24:12Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, a great year, a twenty two year
- 24:16Speaker 2: old software programmer named Neil Papworth, a fun name, set
- 24:20Speaker 2: the very first text message was sent from a computer
- 24:23Speaker 2: because mobile devices weren't yet capable of sending texts at
- 24:25Speaker 2: the time. The recipient got a very festive surprise on
- 24:29Speaker 2: his phone.
- 24:30Speaker 1: That sounds really jolly.
- 24:32Speaker 2: Yeah, it is jolly.
- 24:33Speaker 1: Wait that they just they looked at their cell phone
- 24:37Speaker 1: and they saw Mary Christmas MM. And there's nothing jolly
- 24:40Speaker 1: about that. There's nothing fust without just reading the words
- 24:43Speaker 1: Mary was like in New Courier fond all caps.
- 24:46Speaker 2: I don't know that we had that capability at the time.
- 24:49Speaker 2: It was a new technology. I don't know what's a
- 24:52Speaker 2: Christmas card. It's writing, Yeah, I know, but.
- 24:56Speaker 1: It's colorful and it's got little pictures and Santa clauses
- 24:59Speaker 1: and reindeer.
- 25:01Speaker 7: I don't know.
- 25:02Speaker 1: It does occur to me though, that you know, if
- 25:04Speaker 1: there weren't any phones, there would be any phone lines,
- 25:10Speaker 1: and where would birds?
- 25:11Speaker 7: Said?
- 25:13Speaker 1: I know that's a non sequitor, but it's just just
- 25:17Speaker 1: that something that you've ever considered. Where they sit in
- 25:19Speaker 1: trees get splinters.
- 25:23Speaker 2: I think their feet are built for that. I don't
- 25:25Speaker 2: know that they got splinters.
- 25:28Speaker 8: All right?
- 25:28Speaker 7: Fair enough?
- 25:30Speaker 2: Was that your facts were no?
- 25:33Speaker 7: Okay?
- 25:34Speaker 1: Maybe that cancer is a fact.
- 25:35Speaker 7: I guess it is a fact.
- 25:38Speaker 1: Okay, here's a question for you. What are you doing
- 25:41Speaker 1: on April twenty fifth? Because I am celebrating National Telephone Day.
- 25:45Speaker 1: It started in nineteen sixty seven in honor of the
- 25:48Speaker 1: one hundred million telephone line being installed in the US.
- 25:52Speaker 1: To celebrate, they had governors and dignitaries all get on
- 25:55Speaker 1: a party line together and they got gold phones. I
- 25:59Speaker 1: think we need to bring this back because I want
- 26:01Speaker 1: to get on a party line and get a cold phone.
- 26:05Speaker 2: Cold phones is pretty cool, but sitting on a conference
- 26:08Speaker 2: call with a Govnor's sounds actually like a nightmare to me.
- 26:13Speaker 2: All right, well, here's my last fact. In two thousand
- 26:16Speaker 2: and three, AT and T helped American I had all
- 26:18Speaker 2: set up a voting system that relied on text messages
- 26:21Speaker 2: rather than voice calls. At the time, text messaging was
- 26:24Speaker 2: still new, and some twenty two percent of respondents to
- 26:27Speaker 2: a later poll so they learned to text specifically in
- 26:30Speaker 2: order to vote on the show. A reality singing competition
- 26:33Speaker 2: accidentally became one of the biggest drivers of texting adoption
- 26:37Speaker 2: in American history.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Now now you're talking about American Idol, right, mm hmm,
- 26:43Speaker 1: and the what is the That's a competition where people sing, Yes,
- 26:48Speaker 1: where people make use of the greatest instrument of all.
- 26:53Speaker 1: With deference to ella, I'm trying to butter up the
- 26:55Speaker 1: judge here. The flute and the saxophone great, but what
- 26:58Speaker 1: better instrument than the human voice? Sure where I'm going
- 27:02Speaker 1: with this.
- 27:02Speaker 2: I see where you're going for a professional singer, but
- 27:04Speaker 2: not for any schmoe who's like saying they like a
- 27:07Speaker 2: certain singer better than another. I don't think that that
- 27:10Speaker 2: needs to be spoken, could just as easily be typed.
- 27:14Speaker 1: I got a little mini fact. I mean, what do
- 27:17Speaker 1: we call those things that we keep in our pockets.
- 27:18Speaker 1: We don't call them iPhones. We call or rather we
- 27:21Speaker 1: do call them my phone. Don't call them eye texting machines. Right,
- 27:25Speaker 1: that's the that is? Are these facts?
- 27:28Speaker 4: I don't know?
- 27:29Speaker 1: They are they low blows? Is? I don't know? I mean,
- 27:34Speaker 1: even like when you think about the friendships that you have,
- 27:37Speaker 1: the friends, there's kind of a hierarchy, like there's there's
- 27:40Speaker 1: the friends that you feel like you could pick up
- 27:42Speaker 1: the phone and call, right and those are usually your
- 27:44Speaker 1: closest friends. That's a soft fact.
- 27:47Speaker 7: And the heart much of a fact, but the fact
- 27:51Speaker 7: of the heart, all right, Ella, what's out to you
- 27:54Speaker 7: from this micro around.
- 27:55Speaker 6: That they each had like their strengths, like in texting
- 28:00Speaker 6: you might like do it more often or like with everyone,
- 28:05Speaker 6: and then like calling definitely with like specific people to
- 28:09Speaker 6: show you care about them.
- 28:11Speaker 7: Mm hmmmmmm. All right. Those are a lot of good facts,
- 28:15Speaker 7: a lot of good points. But only one team can
- 28:18Speaker 7: get a point for this round, so I'll please award
- 28:21Speaker 7: a point for this micro round. The decision is completely
- 28:25Speaker 7: subjective and completely up to you. Have you made your decision,
- 28:35Speaker 7: I have perfect keep it secret and we'll be right
- 28:39Speaker 7: back boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom smash.
- 28:55Speaker 7: We're back and we're jumping right in because it's time for.
- 29:00Speaker 6: Sneak Attack.
- 29:01Speaker 7: This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond
- 29:04Speaker 7: to a challenge on the spot. Today's challenge is mystery word.
- 29:10Speaker 7: Each debater will get a list of three secret words
- 29:13Speaker 7: and they're going to try to get our judge Ella
- 29:16Speaker 7: to guess the word as fast as she can. So
- 29:19Speaker 7: let's say one of my words was milk. I might
- 29:22Speaker 7: say comes from a cow, goes on cereal and Ella
- 29:24Speaker 7: would be like, milk, got it? Does that make sense? Yes?
- 29:29Speaker 7: Fab Okay, so you're gonna have thirty seconds to get
- 29:35Speaker 7: Ella to guess. And Ella, so I want to ask,
- 29:37Speaker 7: are you ready for some guessing?
- 29:39Speaker 8: I am.
- 29:40Speaker 6: I'm very ready.
- 29:41Speaker 7: Okay. So Jonathan, you are going to start us off.
- 29:46Speaker 7: You have your words, Okay, get Ella to guess them.
- 29:48Speaker 7: Your time starts now.
- 29:50Speaker 1: So this is something that you would leave on someone's
- 29:53Speaker 1: phone if you couldn't get a hold of them voicemail
- 29:57Speaker 1: very good. And this is the sound that your phone
- 29:59Speaker 1: makes when someone's phoning you.
- 30:02Speaker 6: Ding.
- 30:03Speaker 1: He almost rhymes with ring. Yes, And this is the
- 30:08Speaker 1: person who is doing the talking you. This is okay.
- 30:16Speaker 1: You hit a little button mute on your phone when
- 30:19Speaker 1: you hold it to your face.
- 30:23Speaker 7: Do you want to make him a guess? I don't
- 30:26Speaker 7: know what was the answer, Jonathan Speaker.
- 30:29Speaker 1: I didn't do a very good job.
- 30:31Speaker 7: That makes you did great? Okay, Khalila, it is your turn.
- 30:34Speaker 7: You have your words handy ye? All right? Your thirty
- 30:37Speaker 7: seconds begins now.
- 30:39Speaker 2: Okay. The little pictures in the text emojis yes, when
- 30:43Speaker 2: you are you've got an email. There's options at the
- 30:47Speaker 2: bottom and the options are like yep and the thing
- 30:50Speaker 2: on the computer that you would use to type keyboard. Yeah,
- 30:55Speaker 2: a great.
- 30:56Speaker 1: Jobreck, I've never heard this this game show side of you.
- 31:01Speaker 2: A new part of me comes out.
- 31:05Speaker 7: Okay, Ella, it is time to award a point. You
- 31:09Speaker 7: can decide who gets the point? Did someone get you
- 31:11Speaker 7: to guess more? Did someone really connect with you? You know,
- 31:14Speaker 7: it's up to you what the criteria are. Have you
- 31:23Speaker 7: awarded your point? Yes? Awesome that it's time for our
- 31:27Speaker 7: final round, the final six. In this round, each team
- 31:33Speaker 7: will have just six words to sum up the glory
- 31:36Speaker 7: of their side. Khalila, you're up first. Tell us why
- 31:39Speaker 7: you heart emoji texting.
- 31:41Speaker 2: Open your mind, future is now.
- 31:46Speaker 7: Oh, very nice, all right, Jonathan, Last chance to give it.
- 31:50Speaker 1: Your all for a call, immediate, intimate, hand and finger free.
- 31:57Speaker 1: That's kind of a hyphenated one word direct, interactive and fun.
- 32:05Speaker 7: Hmmm, very nice, all right, Ella. It is time to
- 32:09Speaker 7: award your final point for this final six. Have you
- 32:16Speaker 7: made your decision?
- 32:17Speaker 6: I have?
- 32:19Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, all right, tally up those points, Ella?
- 32:22Speaker 7: Are you ready to crown one team the smash boom
- 32:23Speaker 7: best I am okay, drum roll please, and the winner
- 32:28Speaker 7: is texting you.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Next time. If you get instead of a teenage judge,
- 32:36Speaker 1: you get like some seventy year old.
- 32:39Speaker 7: Man.
- 32:40Speaker 1: Don't have a fighting chance. Our fingers are just too
- 32:42Speaker 1: pudgy and sticky.
- 32:44Speaker 7: It's the text.
- 32:45Speaker 2: Why are your fingers so sticky?
- 32:48Speaker 1: That's my business. I like fudge.
- 32:55Speaker 6: Me too, Me too, Ella.
- 32:58Speaker 7: Was there a moment that really decided things for texting?
- 33:01Speaker 6: I think it was probably the sneak attack. It was
- 33:04Speaker 6: really really fast. I got it.
- 33:06Speaker 7: Yeah, Khalila really got that game show mode going.
- 33:09Speaker 6: We locked in, We lockd in.
- 33:10Speaker 2: Very impressive, Jonathan. I always like talking to you. You
- 33:14Speaker 2: always make me laugh and I do think you make
- 33:17Speaker 2: some good points about the telephone and the intimacy of
- 33:21Speaker 2: the relationship you can have with someone in voice versus writing, Oh.
- 33:26Speaker 1: That's really nice, Khalila, you kind of want me over.
- 33:31Speaker 1: I came in here feeling like a little more headstrong
- 33:33Speaker 1: about the phone, but I have to admit you kind
- 33:36Speaker 1: of want me over some and that is a testament
- 33:39Speaker 1: to your your debating skill, your persuasiveness, and your velvety
- 33:45Speaker 1: dulcet tones.
- 33:47Speaker 5: You get it.
- 33:47Speaker 1: That's a little dig, that's a trying to get a
- 33:50Speaker 1: little now slammed down top. You don't have to do that,
- 33:52Speaker 1: but sports sportsmanship.
- 33:54Speaker 2: On the whole, very gratifying. Thank you.
- 33:58Speaker 7: Well, that is it for today's debate battle, Ella Crown
- 34:00Speaker 7: texting the smash Boom best.
- 34:02Speaker 6: But what about you Head to smash Boom dot org
- 34:04Speaker 6: and vote to tell us who you think one.
- 34:07Speaker 7: This episode was produced by Me, Molly Boom, Sanchez and
- 34:09Speaker 7: Santa Tattan. It was sound designed by Rachel Breese and
- 34:12Speaker 7: Mark wrote our theme song. We had engineering help from
- 34:15Speaker 7: Adam Lee. Our announcer is Marley for your worker Auto
- 34:18Speaker 7: and we want to give us special thanks to Austin
- 34:20Speaker 7: Cross and Taylor Kaufman Khalila. Is there anyone you'd like
- 34:23Speaker 7: to give a shout out to today?
- 34:25Speaker 2: Yes, I'd like to give a shout out to my
- 34:27Speaker 2: mom ann Elise, who's one of the few people in
- 34:30Speaker 2: my life that I enjoy both phoning and texting equally.
- 34:34Speaker 2: She's really great in both modes.
- 34:37Speaker 7: That's very sweet. And how about you, Jonathan. Any special
- 34:39Speaker 7: shout outs?
- 34:41Speaker 1: I want to shout out my nine year old son, Hogey,
- 34:44Speaker 1: who first introduced me to Smash Boom Best and got
- 34:49Speaker 1: me listening to it and he is a big fan.
- 34:53Speaker 7: Molly aw thank you Aggie for introducing your dad and Ella.
- 34:58Speaker 7: Any special things for shout outs?
- 35:00Speaker 6: Shout out my dad for being here in my absolutely,
- 35:03Speaker 6: shout out whoever you want. Then I shout out my
- 35:06Speaker 6: dad for being here and helping nice.
- 35:10Speaker 7: And before we go, let's check in and see who
- 35:12Speaker 7: whyatt think should win the debate between Monopoly and Jenga.
- 35:15Speaker 5: I think Monopoly would win because it's longer than in
- 35:19Speaker 5: that age.
- 35:20Speaker 7: If you're between the ages of thirteen and eighteen and
- 35:22Speaker 7: you'd like to be a judge, or if you're any
- 35:24Speaker 7: age and you have an idea for a knockdown, drag
- 35:26Speaker 7: out debate. Head to smash boom dot org slash contact
- 35:28Speaker 7: and drop us a line. We'll be back next week
- 35:30Speaker 7: with a new Smash Boom Best episode, Dandelions versus Orchids.
- 35:35Speaker 6: Bye, Smell La, Farewell, Liberty, Giblets, slash.
- 35:52Speaker 7: Slash.
- 36:00Speaker 1: It's slash book Best, It's slash Boom Best.
- 36:06Speaker 2: I also hate that you said, how do you do?
- 36:09Speaker 1: Profinitely that's why I did.
- 36:10Speaker 7: That was special for you anyway.
- 36:12Speaker 2: And we haven't even started debating yet.
- 36:16Speaker 7: Yah,