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Curb Your Diss-thusiasm; J Cole, Larry David, NBA & WWE - #88 · The Grounded Show

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Watching wrestling, like I never knew Paul Hayman, Like I missed the Paul
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Hayman era where he was a prominent character and it's all the fame speech really
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brought it all in perspective about how much of an impact he made in the
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game. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. He was kind of like that guy
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that brought the cool factor to wrestling, especially with you know, it got
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to a point with wrestling that you looked at whole cochun and it got lame,
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you know what I mean, as you got a little older. It's
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like this guy, you know, talking about eating your vitamins and saying your
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prayers, and he got the crazy ball spot, you know what I mean.
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His offense was mad corny and he was like, come on, bro.
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And then like a lot of people don't know that, Paul Hayman was
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the first one that gave Steve Austin a real chance to like let loose and
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talk on the mic and everything. And he really came up with that stone
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cold character in Paul Hayman's organization of ECW and before he came to WD that
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was what like really like propelled him to use that character later on. So
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Paul Haman. He had his hand in like a lot of big things in
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wrestling and even got his start as like a promoter at Studio fifty four back
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in the day, you know what I mean, Like actual studio, the
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actual Studio fifty four. That's crazy. Put on a wrestling show at Studio
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fifty four. You got to check out that story, bro Studio fifty four
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story. He talks about it quite a bit, but yeah, man,
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he got a crazy story. And he's just a guy that you know,
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he knows how to get it, especially when it comes to wrestling. Yeah,
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that's why I was wondering, like with Roman Rings and how he's such
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a big part of Roman Ring's character and now, uh when he comes out
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with him and he's like everything and like and Roman Rings inducted him, you
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know, yeah, And I was like, why why does everybody care so
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much? And then I saw the clips and I was like, he was
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a guy who crafted these personas in wrestling, some of these biggest personas in
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the game that we all loved. It was part of his craft, and
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that's why Roman Rings was like, if I ever see a wrestler not talking
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to Paul Hayman, I know, he's not trying to get better, he's
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not trying to be a star in his industry. Yeah. Yeah, Paul
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Hayman kind of turned Roman Reigns into that box office guy that you know,
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made him basically made him cross over into that like more pop culture space where
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more normal people know Roman Reigns. Back in the day, nobody really would
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have known a wrestler. Like still people would just say like the Rock or
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Stone Cold because that's the only you know, Hulk Hogan, Like that's what
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people think of, you know what I mean? Roman Rains is starting to
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creep into that space where like people that don't even know wrestling know who Roman
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Reigns is. And a lot of that has to do with Paul Hayman amplifying
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his character and helping him go up a notch. Yeah, because he held
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the title for like a thousand and three hundred some days. Yeah, bro,
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it's like the longest mudern rain. Yeah, and he had nine WrestleMania
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main event matches, the most out of any wrestler ever. Crazy and like
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people just downplay that because they didn't like what he was doing. But for
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him to do that, he was doing something right, you know what I
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mean, yeah, facts, he was just like it's funny because the Roman
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reign story is a funny one because when he debuted, he was part of
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a group, so it was three guys the Shield, and then everybody loved
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him in the group, like everybody wanted him to be the main guy in
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WWE, like the reactions he was getting, like he was the one that
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the fans were like, yeah, this is the guy. So that WW
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was like all right, cool, so they took him out the group made
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him the guy, and then the fans was like, nah, we don't
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want this guy. It's like bro, like you guys were the ones that
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was telling us, Yeah, you know what I mean, it's kind of
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crazy. And then like he ended up finally like turning them back and winning
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them back again. And ironically he's related to the Rock and that was kind
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of Rocks upcoming. He was part of the nation domination and the storyline played
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for him to you know, uh go against uh what's what was his name
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for Rupe? Yeah, yeah, the leader uh. And that's how he
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came to Sha and and you know that's his nephew or cousin or something.
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Yeah, I think it's it's a cousin, like a second cousin type there.
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Yeah, And I think yeah because remember he was in a young rock
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show. I was a little kid in there. Yeah, and now they
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got the bloodline and it's just it just shows how this family are wrestling and
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the way they come up can really craft. And with Paul, with someone
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like Paul Haym and the guy them could really craft like a superstar of a
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generation. And uh, I'll give it up to Romraines. This this WrestleMania
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was the first WrestleMania watching his entirety. Uh be it too weak to day
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now? That's crazy And I was so into it. It was one of
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the they said Triple H came out all row. I said, it's the
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best WrestleMania ever statistically and fans reaction wise and attendance wise. Yeah, wrestling
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is good when when the stories are like believable and they execute it. The
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funny thing about wrestling is they choose the outcomes, yet a lot of the
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times the things end the way that they shouldn't. Like, you guys are
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literally coming up with the ending, but you're giving us the ending that nobody
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wanted. And a lot of that, bro and the crazy thing is.
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It's funny that we're talking about this because I actually wrote down WWE moving away
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from sports entertainment and the Vince McMahon era, so like a lot of things
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have been like popping up basically saying that you know, Triple H is now
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in charge and he's just kind of doing away with all these like old and
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antiquated things that Vince McMahon was doing, because it was so evident when you
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watch WWE that this was just an old, out of touch guy that was
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coming up with the creative things, you know what I mean. It's like
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you have to understand at a certain point that you're not coming up with fresh
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ideas, and you got to let people bring those ideas to you, you
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know what I mean, a seventy something year old dude, you know,
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writing for all these wrestlers and coming up with characters. Bro, That's that's
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what That was. The era where people were like, there's no way I
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would be caught dead watching wrestling. Yeah, and that was a great thing
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about I think it was Sunday's intro the Sunday Night of WrestleMania and Stephanie Bigmhon
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came out being that heard that just got fucking asked. And that's one thing
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and that's why, like Pat McAfee and the commentators now they continue to reiterate
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that a triple H is a TKO dawn right now the calls the shots.
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And then so Stephanie Bimann come So after all this ship that came out with
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Vince McMahon and his controversy and him being asked and all the grimy ship he
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did for her to come out, and she's like, you know what the
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best part of this weekend is, this is the beginning of the Paul Lovac
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wrest w w E Aaron Paula Veca's Triple Ah's name. She's like, this,
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this is where it's him now, it's him writing this story. It's
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him coming up with this. The first US radio where he ran the show,
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he was the one that came up with all the stories and execute VISs
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one. And you know what's crazy, I forgot where I was just as
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a fan. Dog that bro guy running w w E. Right now,
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Dogs, you know the game that game? Are you ready? Are you
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playing the game? Dog? He was not playing around brou the game from
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d and from him going to from from Hunter hurstim's leader Triple H shit the
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game d X, and you see his like him involved me. Yeah,
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and it makes sense because his character lived on forever, like nobody ever got
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tired of Triple H in the game. He like continuously evolved into a better
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character and character that people are like, all right, I still fuck with
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him. Yeah, but I read it was a Reddit post that someone was
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like, he wrote this story so good that there's so many what's it called,
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there's so many rivalries built just with this week and the loone that they
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have like a million avenues to explore, like seeing Punk worth is Set,
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seeing Punk versus Drew, and seeing Punk versus The stories are so layered and
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like all the angles make sense. Yeah, Like it just it's like,
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wow, this is like actually a sophisticated story that makes the rest It can
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go anywhere, and anywhere it goes, we're gonna be happy because we would
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like to see like Rock versus Cody, Rock versus Roman, Rock versus said,
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Rock versus fucking everybody, Like there's so many ways it can go in
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whichever route they choose is gonna be fucking amazing. And that's all Triple Hs.
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He set that up perfectly. Yeah, man, It's crazy because they
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used to say back in the day as a wrestler that Triple H was kind
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of the guy that was good at coming up with ideas and stuff, but
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also he would kind of eat ship for the company to like keep stuff chugging
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along. Like even when you know, there was an infamous event where like
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Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were gonna leave to w CW and their last show,
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Triple H was out there hugging them, you know, saying by and
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stuff. And at that time, like one of them was a good guy,
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one of them was a bad guy. So that was like, they
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don't do that in wrestling. You know what I mean, Fans, you
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know what I'm saying. This is real, you know what I'm saying.
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So that's a k fab That's when you break the exactly the kfabe. You
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know, you gotta keep a kfabe. And it's just funny how like he
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was the one that got the punishment from that because Kevin nashal Scott Hall went
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to WCW, so they're not in the company no more, so it don't
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matter to them. And Sean Michaels was the other one that was there and
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he was the Golden Boy at the time, he was the champion. They
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wasn't gonna do nothing to him, you know what I mean. So Triple
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H was the one that basically had to get punished for that whole event.
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And the crazy thing about that is it ties into what we was talking about
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earlier. That's what led to the rise of Stone Cold because since Triple H
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was getting punished, they put Stone Cold in that position instead of Triple H,
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which is man, it's crazy. And like you said, bro,
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watching the WrestleMania it was like, wow, man, this is actually like
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a story and it makes sense, and it's like it really just was something
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where you were watching it and actually along for the ride, you know what
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I mean. That's how it was back end of the day too. That's
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great. I'm trying to find I don't know if it was Complex or Bleacher
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Report they ranked like the top twenty five wrestlers of all time and it was
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the worst list ever, Uh, it's not here it was complex? What
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what was it here? We go? Nah? Nah? Anyway, I
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think like like the entertainment factor, it's it's not They're not trying to declare
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themselves as a sport, you know. They're not trying to emphasize on word
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sport. This is what you got at the entertainment of it now exactly.
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And in a press conference that's what Triple Ah shed. He's like, you
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know, we're in an era where we're gonna listen to the fans. And
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he's like, it's it's right up to the last minute. Maybe at the
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last minute we're gonna switch who wins. But he's like, we have a
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group now with Cody Roman, The Rock, Sad Drew, all these people
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now and they're with it. They're like, yo, we want of course,
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we all want to be champions, but if we can entertain the world,
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like at a different level, that something that haven't felt in a long
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ass time or ever, that's more important than anything else right now. And
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that is what is good about wrestling right now. That is why it's a
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good time to get back to watching wrestling WW because they are on a good
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path. Yeah, they definitely are. And man, that's a perfect segue
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because on the flip side of that we're looking at now, let's switch the
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lens to look at the NBA. Oh yeah, the NBA is kind of
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in that transition where these larger than life, legendary all time superstars are getting
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ready to retire. You know what I'm saying, all that crop of players
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right now, Lebron James, I mean, these guys are a little older.
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You know, it's transition into a new crop of players, you know
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what I mean. You know they're talking about who's going to be the new
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face, John Moran, Anthony Edwards, Jason Tatum, you know what I
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mean. You got a whole new lineup of basically like the guard dogs in
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the playoffs, you know what I mean. I always look at it that
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way in the NBA, like when you got those guys like Lebron Kobe Durant,
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like you're pretty sure that they're going to be in the playoffs and they're
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going to be somebody to be reckon with just because they're on the court.
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So they're just always there lurking, you know what I mean. And right
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now we got all those players that we're naming Curry, Lebron, Durant,
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all of them in the play in Bro. Yeah, they fight you for
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ten nine eight seven, like they fighting for low end playoff spots, Bro.
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And it's rough. And then, like Steve Kerr said it, like
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when he sits Curry and everybody questioned, like why are you you got Curry
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and load manage me. He's like, bro, I put like we put
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this team on his back for the last fifteen years. Like it comes to
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time where it shouldn't be put on his back anymore. Like we want to
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yeah, if we make it that far, And like everybody's saying, Laker's
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gonna knock the Warriors out easily. Lakers knocked the Warriors out. The Sons
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are gonna knock the Kings out with all their injuries, and then we're gonna
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have to Kevin Durant Lebron matchup, And everybody's saying, you gotta get through
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Lebron, like, because that's that's it right now if he's healthy. Uh,
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but once this is over, like, who do we got? I'm
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not gonna cap I'm a Magic hater, but I love how the Magic is
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running that squad. I love Pan Caro, my man, Pablo is running
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that squad. I like, I like his future. But at the end
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of the day, like we knows how long that lasts. Jahn Moran,
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same shit. You know what I'm saying. He's already on the point where
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it's like don't. I don't put my trust in him running to be in
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the face of the league anymore. Yeah, as far as the Magic go,
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what they gotta do is make a significant run before all those players got
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to get paid because they have so much young talent that like they've been so
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bad for so long that they stockpiled these first rounders, bro, And they're
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all like, they all got a couple of years under their belt already.
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So you're talking about a whole bunch of like solid, solid, solid NBA
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players on one team. They're gonna get paid, bro, So they got
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to make a move soon, definitely, like in the next like year or
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two. They gotta make a Eastern Conference finals run or even get to the
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finals, because they got the talent for it. But they got to do
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it before they all get paid. And what's spotally now, I think they're
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four North, right behind the Knicks. Yeah, they're fourth behind the Knicks,
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and my nick's a handle. Yeah yeah, man, it sucks that
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they have to like kind of scratch this season because of that, but I'm
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gonna be honest, they wasn't gonna win this year anyway, So yeah,
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back next year. You know what I'm saying next year they got a better
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chance. I feel like, yeah, I think we're building a good squad.
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This is our first year that started uh in January with this starting lineup,
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so it's like we got three months in with this squad. The cohesiveness
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and the chemistry's building. But yeah, I'm gonna just be uh, I'm
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gonna be sad man with all these stars retires, like you really gotta fall
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in love with you. It's gonna be like wrestling, you know what I'm
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saying when I like going back to that real quick. It's like when all
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our favorite stars retired and we had to watch and had to watch the up
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and coming to fall in love with it again, I'm gonna feel I'm gonna
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go through the same thing with NBA. Yep. Yeah, definitely gotta pick
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new favorites. You know. See you see who got that dog in them?
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Because like that's the thing, man, It's kind of we're at a
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place right now where there's not really a younger guy your Spurs. Yeah,
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but he's he's that team is a few years out for sure, but like
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there's not a lot of how old is Jokic because like I don't feel like
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there's been a young a young player that has won a title. You know
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what I'm saying. Let me see how Nicola Jokic here thinks he's like the
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youngest guy. I would venture to say, like in the last like ten
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years or so, he's probably like the youngest guy that that's been like finals
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MVP, yeah and regularly two time regular right yeah, but like all these
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other players like Tatum, he be folding Brown, he be folding right now.
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The reason I like the Knicks is because Brunton don't be folding. You
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know what I mean. If you've got a guy that's a rock on your
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team, but then he don't fold either, Yeah, that's a good.
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The only thing Brunson he's a little undersized, and that's yeah, always hurts
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him. But I think that's advantage of his intensity and his strength. I
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saw a stat today that averaging twenty four seasons. I mean, I think
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averaging twenty four points for two seasons, averaging over tennis is for two seasons,
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and under ten ten overs for two seasons. The only person that's ever
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did that was Jordan. Yeah. I mean it's when you see him control
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the game, you could really see like wow, I can't. Like you
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imagine if Luca and him were still together right now, what it would look
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like. Be crazy. But the Luca and Kyrie combo's crazy too. They're
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dropping fifty five, fifty, sixty games combined, sixty points combined, and
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what skeeed are they? I haven't even kept up with them, to be
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honest, I don't even know the fifth fifth, fifth, Okay, okay,
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the only like two games behind the Clippers. I know he's been Like
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I really just be seeing like the stats and like little highlights more than anything.
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As far as the MAVs go, I know that they've been super efficient
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lately. I know, I know the efficiency is picked up, and I
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know that's always that's always been when the Kyrie game goes haywire when he's not
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very efficient, you know what I mean. But that's man. There's definitely
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a lot of good teams too to look forward to seeing in the playoffs.
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I just I'm waiting to see who's going to prove themselves in the playoffs.
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But the game is so young, you know what I mean. It's like
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the the current atmosphere of the players are so young, and the greats are
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so older, and it's starting to phase out. And you know, we
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can kind of compare that to music, Like you go on the music and
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you see the majority of the artists are young kids, and now these old
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artists that we all love are starting to get phased out if they don't continue
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to drop or continue down with the new music. And I think that's like
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a plateau that every industry and every kind of fan base reaches. It's like,
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damn, we got to give up these old dudes and get with the
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young guys. Now. Yeah, it's definitely a thing where and it's funny
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how across these three things we've talked about, it's so different, you know
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what I mean. Like in WWE, the older guys came back to kind
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of boost everything and it was kind of like a synergy thing. The NBA,
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it's kind of like the older guard is on the way out. That
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talent in between is kind of unproven, so like the younger guys are kind
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of running it. So you have that kind of dynamic. And then with
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the music, it's like you still got those like older guys that are like
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the juggernauts, like Dre, Kanye jay Z, like guys that whenever they
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do something it's gonna be talked about, it's gonna be top of the charts.
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But you still got like these younger artists that are just building these crazy
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fan bases and doing these festival shows and you know, yeah, like they're
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just said, they make such a big impact, like anything they drop,
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everybody's fucking going crazy for it. Yeah, And it's something about you know,
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being tapped into the music to the point where you're connected to all these
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people as well. Like as far as Kanye goes, he's at this level
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where a lot of there's not a lot of people that are gonna say no
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to him as far as working with him in that hip hop space, you
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know what I mean. So he has this crazy playground as far as like
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putting music together where he has a lot of resources, Like he can almost
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do whatever he wants in his mind because he can find somebody to help him
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deliver it if he can't do it himself. So we get these like you
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know, you were mentioning the last time, the sounds on Kanye's album,
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It's like, Bro, He's literally going out of his way to get these
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sounds and to get them to sound the way that they sound, and to
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give the feel that he wants to you know, he's zoned in on that
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field, you know what I mean. And that's something that a lot of
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artists aren't even thinking about, you know what I mean. Now, they're
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just trying to keep up with the current times. And that's what we talked
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about, is like, is that what's changed about rap? You know?
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Is it that people just want to I don't think back then and now.
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Back then, it's only like maybe ten maybe max fifteen years ago people cared
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about keeping up whether everybody else sounded like Now it's like everybody's trying to.
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I mean, I feel like pas, it's almost it's pretty much at the
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end of this phase out. But there was a little phase where it was
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like a lot of artists were almost counterculture to what sounds good even and they
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were even just trying to come with these harsh sounds and crazy melodies and things
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like kind of like out of the norm to specifically go against it as opposed
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to whenever you had like for example, punk rock when it went on the
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rise or rap when it went on the rise, Like there was still a
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very musical element to these music forms, you know what I mean, Like
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rap had a very musical element to it. There was an art to it.
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Punk rock, very musical element. There was an art to it.
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But recently it doesn't have that. It doesn't come from that spirit. It's
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kind of more just like anti music music, if that makes sense, you
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know what I mean. Like you got a lot of rappers that even say
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like, oh, I'm not a rapper, like you know what I mean.
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They want to go against the green and they want to be an interrupter
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exactly. And like I said, we're definitely on the tail end of that.
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There's a lot of people dropping some dope music now as opposed to like
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the twenty tens, you know what I mean. I feel like that was
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definitely like a whack era. You know, a lot of stuff isn't really
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revisitible in my opinion, you know what I mean, just like the way
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the sound went with a lot of different things. But now, like in
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the twenty twenties, I feel like there's definitely been a few projects that are
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like standout joints, different things that are sounding you know, just sounding dope
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and giving you that feeling. Again, I definitely feel like hip hop and
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rap in general, there was there's a thing where I almost feel like the
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Hip Hop fiftieth anniversary was almost like a tribute to it, and it's kind
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of dead as far as what it really what that was celebrating, you feel
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what I'm saying, Like what was being celebrated at the hip Hop fifty that's
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not hip hop no more. That's like a memorial exactly, Like it was
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almost a memorial. Yeah, it's crazy. Me and wife was literally watching
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it the other night. That's why when it sleep late the other night watching
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Yeah, just all these old like dedications to all these like old times of
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rapping, like damn, it's like yeah, but like the Nelly performance and
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all the Nelly's hits, and I was like, oh man, yeah,
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like artists like that right now eras gone, Like that kind of music is
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gone. Like rap came from a certain feeling, It came from a certain
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place. It was a certain vibe, and then it just got to a
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point where it wasn't what it was anymore, you know what I mean.
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And it's like anything else when it starts buzzing, and it started, you
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know, when it goes corporate basically, you know what I mean. Anytime
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something goes corporate, it loses that vibe and it loses that energy. And
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hip hop is one of those things where I don't know if it's hip hop
25:56
or it's just things in general that once it goes mainstream, even if you
26:03
try to like stay in that you know before phase, Like even like going
26:08
back to punk rock, like punk rock is not going to hit the same
26:11
as like when it was like illegal to do it, you know what I'm
26:15
saying, Like when they wasn't letting people play it anywhere and it was like
26:18
so counterculture that they associated it with like drugs and games and murders like that
26:26
shit. That was my EMAO era. It was punk rock. Yeah,
26:30
bro, it's like it's it's definitely. It's definitely something that I consider when
26:37
I listen to rap now and hip hop and just when I realize how much
26:42
of the newer stuff I just don't it doesn't resonate with me a lot of
26:48
just like the sound in general. And I always say that's why I stop
26:51
rapping, you know what I mean. Like it definitely wasn't because I was
26:55
whack, you know what I'm saying. It was just something where I just
27:00
didn't have that feeling anymore because it wasn't what it was anymore, you know
27:03
I was. I feel like for me, it was like really easy for
27:07
me to recognize, Oh, this ain't for me no more, you know
27:08
what I mean? Like if I want to be in this space, I
27:11
got to be doing something else and that's not what I signed up for,
27:15
you know what I mean? Yeah, do you everything? You get back
27:18
to that? Depending that the climate changes of rap and happening, I don't
27:21
think so, bro. I think it kind of goes back to what I
27:23
said, like where like rap is dead as far as what it used to
27:27
be, you know what I mean. Like for me, maybe it's because
27:32
I'm not in those kind of circles anymore. Maybe it's because I don't know
27:36
a lot of rappers anymore. Like you know, maybe it's just being away
27:38
from it. But I just feel like that energy is not really there anymore.
27:42
Like even when you hear music, like you're not hearing somebody drop a
27:47
project like something that Jadakiss was dropping or Fabulous was dropping, you know what
27:51
I'm saying. Like even like this run that Nas went on recently, like
27:56
it was so dope and it was so successful because nobody was doing it and
28:00
he had it like a newer producer working with him, so it was like
28:03
he updated it and was in that lane and it was like, oh man,
28:07
that was so refreshing because it was actually like real rap and people who
28:11
are fans of that, they can hear it. You know what I mean?
28:15
You know what else? You never heard it? You never heard the
28:18
rapper take this back, yo. But I'm tight that Quincy didn't end up
28:23
being able to make it today. He went to Dreamville Fest and he was
28:27
there. He was there for the person for the apology. But that's what
28:33
I mean. It's like, did he do that because he knows how the
28:38
game is now and how people react, and he's like, I don't want
28:41
the reaction, Like I don't want like to be the heel of the rap
28:47
game because that came at the Babyface and that's how the rap game is at.
28:52
Before you could drop this is let people pick their size, and it
28:55
was good, but now people get mad at you for saying something, no
28:59
matter how good. What you said was like you can't even speak your piece
29:03
and people cancel you just for even saying something. Yeah, I think for
29:07
him, man, like he he messed up because first of all, he
29:15
kind of led to this, So which is that's like the weakest sting to
29:18
me overall, Bro, Like you're the one that's always been doing all this
29:22
talking on the records, Like you're telling stories on records, you know what
29:26
I'm saying? Like, which I don't have no problem with, Bro.
29:30
Game is one of my favorite rappers of all time. Dog. All he
29:33
does is talk about other people and drop names like I don't know, I
29:37
don't I just I like Game, Bro, you know, So the name
29:41
dropping that's the same thing as favorite dude, Bro. Yeah, And it's
29:45
like the name dropping school with me. So like if Jay Cole want to
29:48
talk about these stories and talk about these rappers and do all this stuff on
29:52
the records, cool man. Like even the Lettino's Down was like the first
29:55
record that really made me even check him out because because I'm a huge NAS
29:59
fan. So it's like I hear j Cole let Na's Down, That's gonna
30:03
piauk my interest off rip. So that's what kind of even made me pay
30:06
attention to him. Before that, I wasn't really rocking with his music,
30:08
you know what I mean. Like I'm real big on when you rap,
30:14
Dog, Like you got to rap about something like I don't want to hear
30:18
that you're a great rapper. I don't want to hear like I don't want
30:22
to hear nothing as far as me, Like I know that I'm very specific
30:25
as far as a rap fan, and I know that what I'm saying doesn't
30:27
apply to ninety percent of people. I understand it. But for me,
30:32
I'm listening to rap because I want to hear you saying something like you know
30:37
what I mean, Like, I don't want to hear you talk about how
30:38
cool you are rapping. You know what I'm saying, Like there's a certain
30:42
bravado that gotta come with rap, and he just didn't have it for me
30:47
for a long time. And then he's J Cole, Yeah, he J
30:49
Cole just did not have that bravado of a rapper that I look for for
30:53
a long time. And then after I heard Letna's down, I started checking
30:57
out some of his stuff around on that like twenty fourteen Forrest Hills Drive era
31:02
was when I was like, oh okay, Like he found that voice,
31:04
you know what I'm saying, and I was rocking with him. Kendrick,
31:07
on the other hand, he had that off rip like he was talking.
31:11
He was coming from a real place in his music. He was like,
31:15
you know what was going on, what he was about, and he just
31:19
resonated off rip. So it's just funny to me that Jay Cole, this
31:26
whole time he's been talking about how great of a rapper he is, and
31:29
like how he's like the guy, and how like he's just been wanting to
31:33
prove he's the guy, and how he's like crafting his pen game because he's
31:37
the guy. But just the whole time, Kendrick just been doing it.
31:41
And it's like that insecurity in j Cole is what led him to this confrontation.
31:48
And I feel like that's why he's like walking it back because it's like
31:52
he's he this is not what he wanted, you know what I mean.
31:55
He just wanted people to recognize that he was a dope rapper and he wanted
31:59
people to reconiz him as the best. But it's like, dog, if
32:00
you trying to be the best, this is what comes with being the best.
32:05
That's why I always command Drake because I don't like Drake as an artist,
32:09
Like for me, it's not my type of music. But he realizes
32:13
that for him to be in that top spot. He gotta be on a
32:16
certain type of vibe and he's with it because he knows he's the top dog
32:20
and he knows it comes with it, you know what I mean. Like
32:22
he hasn't responded yet, but you know somehow he's gonna make it work for
32:30
him because that's what Drake does, and that's what you know. He's on
32:34
top of the game and he's been able to like maintain this run because he's
32:38
he understands what it takes to be that top dog. J Cole is not
32:44
that guy. But I don't think Jake Cole ever cared about that either though,
32:49
but he does, Bro, that's what he's telling he I know,
32:52
but he pretended, like I'm saying, from what I've heard, he's never
32:57
cared about that, but he is. I kind of feel like it's it's
33:02
kind of like what I'm saying, like he just he wants to be that
33:06
guy, but he's not built for that. Now. He feels like music
33:09
for him to join that drink tour goes against everything what he said. He
33:15
was riding a fucking bicycle through Times Square in bummy clothes. Yeah, but
33:24
us where he's like, I'm a fan. He always says I'm a fan,
33:29
you know what I'm saying, and maybe that fan. It's it's kind
33:32
of like, and I hate to compare this dog like and not because it's
33:37
not. It's not even in the same exact sense, but just from this
33:39
angle, like that killer instinct, the thing that they say Lebron don't have,
33:44
and the knock that a lot of people have against him, it's like
33:46
the same DJ cole is on it. It's like he always wants to like
33:51
say I'm the best, but also like, nah, let me praise this
33:53
guy, let me praise that guy, let me be humble. But it's
33:55
like, nah, if you want to be that guy, you gotta just
33:59
come out of I'm that guy and be unapologetic about it, you know what
34:02
I mean. That's why I went like, uh, jay Z and Nas
34:07
came out, and I'm still gonna say when jay Z dropped that got yourself
34:15
a Gun freestyle, that was the worst shit ever heard. But he wasn't
34:22
stopping. He wasn't stopping, you know what I mean. And there's a
34:28
lot of people that say jay Z won that battle. Yeah, And I
34:31
told you I grew up in NAS fan. I had to picture of me
34:35
the NAS concert with a Queen's jersey on Repping Queens repgnized, But it was
34:40
after I heard uh Ether was amazing. But after I heard Takeover then I
34:47
was like, okay, okay, Takeover was different from me. And that's
34:53
what I shifted. I literally shifted. I shifted from the Queens to the
34:58
Bronx strictly off Takeover. Yeah, there's an underrated song in that saga called
35:04
the Cross that's on Gods Yeah, and he's like, it's like not a
35:09
this, but he just kind of talks about that situation and it's like a
35:14
super dope song. If y'all haven't checked that song out, it's pretty dope.
35:17
It's kind of like a calm and it sounds like the Takeover b too.
35:23
Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't kind of have a similar like vibe
35:28
to it. You're right, yeah, I ne never even like really picked
35:30
up on that. But yeah, bro, I think age and experience and
35:38
the youth of what's taking over the industry is affecting everything from wrestling to the
35:45
NBA, the music. It's crazy. And then to trap it all up
35:51
for another elder legacy, wrapping it up because the cur of your enthusiasm ending.
36:00
Man, man, amazing. Did you get to watch it? No,
36:06
but I've seen plenty of ready. I saw Jerry Seinfeld was on there.
36:12
I saw behind the scenes clip of when the last shot was cut and
36:16
the airplane and Lewis. I might actually, I might not even get on
36:27
the game after this. Some mighty just start watching that ship. Yeah,
36:30
and it was dope. Man. I love that. I'm a yeah man.
36:32
And it's crazy, like it was unprecedented because it was like an older
36:37
cast already when they started the show, and that was even kind of like
36:40
unprecedent, especially like HBO, like it's just like older you know, comedians
36:46
and writers was the show. And but bro, it just worked. And
36:51
it's such a funny show. It's so relatables, it's so it's written so
36:55
well, even though it's so goofy. Man, it's it's it's dope.
37:00
And I'm gonna plant this set out there because I kind of feel like they
37:05
planted it the way Jerry was involved in that ending. Oh man, you
37:10
haven't seen it yet. Well, this is not going to ruin anything,
37:13
because I'm not gonna spoil anything. No, I already saw, like the
37:16
picture of the scene and they talked about it, so I know, Yeah,
37:20
the way Jerry Sonfeld was involved with the Curby Your Enthusiasm finale, it
37:24
kind of made me feel like they were kind of leaving the door open and
37:29
say, hey, maybe this show will still live on. But you know's
37:34
version. You know what I'm saying. When you when you watch it,
37:38
just kind of remember I said that, and you kind of look at it
37:42
through that lens because I don't know, Bro, I feel like they could
37:45
pull a fast one if Bro, if Jerry gets the blessing from Larry and
37:50
he just says, I want to do that. I mean, Bro,
37:52
I mean there's play like all the Tonight shows or the late night shows they
37:57
just handed down to somebody else. Yep, it's not the end of a
38:00
show. They just handed down to somebody else and they continue the same show.
38:02
That would be that would be legendary. First herb fan like just oh
38:10
man, Well know, just for context, we know who wrote all the
38:14
Sidfeld episodes, Yes, sir, And for those who don't know, George
38:19
Constanza is based off of Larry David. Like it was a lot of Larry
38:22
David's real life stories that he used for George Costanza. Jason Alexander, who
38:28
played George Costanza, went to Larry one time and was like, Yo,
38:31
I don't even know how to act in this scene because this situation you're presenting
38:37
me is so outlandish, Like who would ever be in this situation and react
38:40
like that? And Larry now me, this situation happened to me and I
38:45
reacted like it. That's my wife is not a big fan of Curb and
38:50
I dont matter how much try to get to if he's say these situations are
38:52
so crazy, but that's what it is. Like, He's the type of
38:55
saying He's like, what the fuck? What's the pointed? Is shit?
38:59
He will say, why are we doing this? Why is this situation even
39:02
happening? Like he would sit there and call shit out and make the most
39:07
absurd points that everybody is too afraid to make. And that was why the
39:13
writing was so good. He wrote stuff that everybody thought but everybody was too
39:17
afraid of. Right, this is what I loved. We will wrap up
39:21
with this, but this is what I love about Curb. And if I
39:23
ever got to speak to Larry David, this is what I would ask him
39:28
if he purposely made the show like this because I feel like this was the
39:31
Larry David character and this was the gist of the show. Larry would always
39:37
make a point of something, and when you analyze what he said, he
39:42
was always in the right. Always every time, if you analyze the situation,
39:47
he was in the right. Like for yo, just off the top
39:50
of my head, the episode where he went to the beach brought his jacket
39:52
because he knew it was going to be cold. A lady took his jacket
39:57
without asking because it was cold, so he was left in the court and
40:00
then she gets chocolate on the jacket and ruins it and she acted like everything
40:05
was cool, and he was like, you should replace the jacket, bro.
40:08
It makes sense, but it's what he does after, like his reaction
40:13
to it is always what makes him end up being in the wrong. And
40:16
I feel like that was the formula of the show. It's like, he
40:20
has a valid point, but let me fumble it and it ends up being
40:23
like the wrong situation. Nah, it's great? Is it? So?
40:28
Like everybody has to watch it because you can relate and say, yeah,
40:31
man, you know what, he's right. I will kind of react the
40:35
same way in that situation if I had the bass to do it. But
40:37
guess what, he had the balls to do it, and not a lot
40:39
of comedians had the balls to be that kind of way and write that kind
40:44
of content. YO, salute to an era Larry David. Hopefully the Rebirth
40:52
will be soon. I'm with it, I'm watching that, and hopefully Larry
40:57
Davis stays better. Act act after APT pupy, puspy not not puspy,
42:43
not not at not not put not not act oh bing