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  Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Nick Eatman. Good morning. Welcome to Cowboys Storyline presented
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  Speaker 2: by Gillette. It's Tuesday, October 13th. Let's talk some Cowboys
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  Speaker 2: football as they get ready to play the Green Bay
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  Speaker 2: Packers this Sunday night at Lambeau Field. Plenty to talk
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  Speaker 2: about before we get there, before we travel off to
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  Speaker 2: the not-so-frozen tundra of Lambeau Field, which is good. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure we appreciate that. Chris Bean probably appreciates that in
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  Speaker 2: the back.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: You do. That's the first thing. You know you're going
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  Speaker 2: to play Green Bay.
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  Speaker 4: We know.
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  Speaker 2: Certain games, you know, it's already on the schedule, just win.
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  Speaker 2: And to be honest, I'm really surprised that the NFL
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  Speaker 2: didn't put us there later in the season, not only because, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, give the Cowboys a chance to play in
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  Speaker 2: the frozen tundra and make it ice bowl two or
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  Speaker 2: four or whatever, but with Micah's injury, knowing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when it might be, when he might come back, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I thought maybe they would at least... try to make
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  Speaker 2: it where a good storyline that they're going to play
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  Speaker 2: against him. But I can tell you who's not upset
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  Speaker 2: about it, and that's probably the Cowboys' offense, offensive tackles,
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  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. All right, and the Green
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  Speaker 2: Bay's got all kinds of mess going on on defense,
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  Speaker 2: but no one feeling sorry for them. The Cowboys have
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  Speaker 2: their own issues to deal with, their own defensive changes,
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  Speaker 2: which since the last show, they did make some changes.
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  Speaker 2: They've added senior defensive consultant Mike Pettin, been a former
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  Speaker 2: head coach for the Browns. He's been a DC at
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  Speaker 2: three teams, and he's been an assistant at four or
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  Speaker 2: five stops. He's coached with Parker, Christian Parker, with Shoddy,
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  Speaker 2: some of the players at Green Bay as well that
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  Speaker 2: were former Packers. So he knows this personnel for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, and we'll see what kind of changes that makes. Also,
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  Speaker 2: Christian Parker has been announced he's going to be moving
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  Speaker 2: to from the sideline to the booth. We've seen that
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  Speaker 2: procedure before. We'll see how it makes sense and see
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  Speaker 2: if there are some changes being made. All right, 888-855-2297.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Michael in Bowling Green. What's up, Michael?
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  Speaker 5: Well, looks like we got us some new, really experienced,
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  Speaker 5: the word I heard was, a front seven defensive specialist.
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  Speaker 5: So he's going to be working with them. He's already there.
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  Speaker 5: He's going to be working with them this whole week.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the– I mean, I would imagine. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what we're waiting on. I mean, I guess– I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't know if he got there yet or not.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know yet either. But, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine. Let's go. Let's get this thing going.
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  Speaker 2: And also, it was announced yesterday because of the press conference.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine this was something that had probably been
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  Speaker 2: talked about before. So he might have been here a
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  Speaker 2: lot earlier.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I watched your little show. I love
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  Speaker 5: those things. I just watched this morning about where y'all
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  Speaker 5: were talking about it. And, I mean, it just brings
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  Speaker 5: new excitement. I mean, I've already let the Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 5: mess behind us and looking forward to Green Bay. No Micah.
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  Speaker 5: I understand we're getting some of our unhealthies back. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know exactly who and everybody. Maybe you can talk
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  Speaker 5: about people. Overshawn. How about Durant?
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  Speaker 2: I think that one's going to be close. That one
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  Speaker 2: will be close. He's been working on the courts, which
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  Speaker 2: is usually a good sign for that to be coming
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  Speaker 2: back soon. Yesterday, he was still working on that. Overshawn
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  Speaker 2: was more limited. So Wednesday will be a big telling point,
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  Speaker 2: I think, for Durant. Remember, that injury, hamstring as a corner,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely one that you've got to get. That's got
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  Speaker 2: to be 100%. And they all have to be 100%.
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  Speaker 7: But as a corner.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and a guy that's going to be running
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  Speaker 2: and doing all the backpedaling and all that change of direction, that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to have to show in practice that he's
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  Speaker 2: ready to do that.
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  Speaker 5: I got one thing I thought about I'll ask and
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  Speaker 5: I'll get off. Okay, so it seems to me in
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  Speaker 5: that Washington, or no, the Philadelphia ones, It seems to
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  Speaker 5: me that the same exact thing happened to us against Baltimore.
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  Speaker 5: And it seems like if they could be like, all right,
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  Speaker 5: pre-prepare them. Okay, look, if we're not kicking through the
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  Speaker 5: end zone, so if he starts running, don't tackle him
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  Speaker 5: until the clock goes out. And it seems like Green Bay,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Philadelphia could have done the same thing. You know, the...
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  Speaker 5: They let him go. Jacksonville gets the ball. He just
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  Speaker 5: heads down the field. If they had waited one second
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  Speaker 5: longer to tackle him, the game would have been over.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, things like that should be coaching up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what? It's funny you say that. I
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  Speaker 2: talk to Danny McCray all the time, and we have
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  Speaker 2: lunch together sometimes, and he has a defensive player. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way you do that. Because it looks like
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  Speaker 2: that for us. Like, hey, why are you tackling them
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  Speaker 2: so quickly? Why don't you just run with them for
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  Speaker 2: a little bit? There's no way. As a defensive player,
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  Speaker 2: and I said the same thing because it's easy for
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  Speaker 2: us to see that. But as a defensive player, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to run with them. I'm going to run
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  Speaker 2: with them for a little bit, one more second, and
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  Speaker 2: then you miss the tackle. He's already at the 20-yard line,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a touchdown. And so as a defensive player,
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  Speaker 2: that mindset is the next level of next level. And it,
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  Speaker 2: and it looks like it's easy for us to do that,
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  Speaker 2: but to start to say, Hey, don't tackle them. Don't
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  Speaker 2: tackle them. Uh, I asked the same question. So you're
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  Speaker 2: not wrong. I asked that question. All right.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate the call. Thank you for, um, starting us off. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: 888-855-2297 is our number. I think we've got some, some
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  Speaker 2: open lines. Um, Let's go back to– let me go
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  Speaker 2: back to the injury part. DeMarvian Overshone is the one
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  Speaker 2: player that I really think has a shot to play
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  Speaker 2: in this game. Now, what is his role going to be? Like,
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  Speaker 2: he even talked about that. Like, he– He didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to get into what he thinks is going to happen
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  Speaker 2: with Green Dot and all that kind of stuff because
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  Speaker 2: Barham's been playing and been playing well. I think that
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  Speaker 2: there might be a situation where they ease him back
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  Speaker 2: into the rotation, but at the same time, he'll still
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  Speaker 2: be playing, and I still think that they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to mess up Barham's development and stuff like that. All right, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: we have callers.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Albert in Tucson.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Albert.
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  Speaker 6: Nick, my man. Good morning, brother.
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  Speaker 5: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 6: I'm doing actually really good. I'm excited of the news
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  Speaker 6: that came down the tube yesterday. I think this is
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  Speaker 6: going to be kind of the changes and the tweaks
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  Speaker 6: that we need.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They say it's not how you start, it's how you finish.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen teams finish 9-7 and go on and win
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  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl, right? How positive are you with these
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  Speaker 6: changes as far as Christian Parker going up in the booth?
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  Speaker 6: and the new, um, assistant. Um, that's all I got.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks a lot. Go Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. You know, um, I'm not, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to sit here and say like, that's, that's it. That's,
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  Speaker 2: that's what they have to do. Like they, they needed
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  Speaker 2: to be doing that. We'll see. I mean, there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be more to it than, than just a couple
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  Speaker 2: of changes here and there. Um, What I am happy
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  Speaker 2: about is that they are doing something here. They are
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  Speaker 2: not waiting around on this. When you think about five
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  Speaker 2: games into the season, they're 2-3. The heavy favorites to
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  Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl, L.A. Rams, are 2-3. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things that are different in the league. They're
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  Speaker 2: not that far away from anything. They're, you know, they're
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit behind the Giants who did beat them,
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  Speaker 2: but in the division. So nothing's like too far away
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  Speaker 2: from them. So in that sense, no reason to hit
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  Speaker 2: the panic button. And they haven't done that. But what
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  Speaker 2: they have done in five games is said, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Our cornerbacks aren't good enough. So let's go make a
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  Speaker 2: trade here and let's go get one of the best
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  Speaker 2: cover guys in the league and figure out what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do later on and have to pay him
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  Speaker 2: and all that. So they do that with Joey Porter Jr.
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  Speaker 2: And then the defense after five games is just not
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  Speaker 2: good enough at all here. We got too many holes
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  Speaker 2: on the run defense. It's not working. We got to
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  Speaker 2: figure this out. Let's go get a consultant in here,
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  Speaker 2: a senior assistant, Mike Pettin. He knows Christian Parker. He
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  Speaker 2: knows some of this personnel. He knows Shottie. Let's bring
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  Speaker 2: him in here. He's kind of been a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: done some quick fixes before. Let's figure this out. Christian Parker,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're kind of a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: a secondary type guy with a good vision there. Let's
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  Speaker 2: move you back up to the booth and let you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have a better look at that. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: if that situation is what we need. Patton can be
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  Speaker 2: down here and kind of handle the front seven part
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  Speaker 2: of it. So they're just doing something, and that's all
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  Speaker 2: you can really ask. And they're not saying, well, it'll
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  Speaker 2: just get better. We'll just keep getting better and just
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  Speaker 2: go back to work. We've heard that over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over, and it doesn't work. So I applaud that.
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to work? We will see. But I
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  Speaker 2: like the fact that they're not– They're not panicking, but
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, they're not sitting on their hands either.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's a difference. Two things can be true,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the Cowboys are doing that. So that's
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  Speaker 2: what I like about it. We'll see if it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a situation that happens, that this team gets
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  Speaker 2: better from. All right, let's go to Dylan, Northport, Florida.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, yeah, I like everything you just said, and the
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  Speaker 8: best part about it is they're not really risking anything
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  Speaker 8: to do these moves. I mean, you trade for a
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  Speaker 8: guy that you could potentially get a comp pick back
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  Speaker 8: in the very next round of the same draft if
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  Speaker 8: you don't sign him. Petten obviously costs you nothing. I
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  Speaker 8: love the move for, I think Christian Parker should have
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  Speaker 8: been in the booth from the beginning. I think he's
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  Speaker 8: a tactician type, and I think that's where those guys belong.
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  Speaker 8: So I like what they're doing. Obviously not really what
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  Speaker 8: you want to see five weeks into this thing because
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  Speaker 8: that means if you're seeing these moves, things aren't going
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  Speaker 8: the way you want them to go.
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota's not making moves. Minnesota's not tweaking things, and neither is–
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  Speaker 2: who else is undefeated?
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  Speaker 9: The 49ers.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, but it's time to do something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 8: Do you think this Petten thing has been kind of
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  Speaker 8: cooking for a couple weeks? Maybe they held it in
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  Speaker 8: their back pocket? Because it fits so well with the
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  Speaker 8: Joey Porter trade.
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  Speaker 9: It really does.
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  Speaker 8: Everything points to them wanting to be more aggressive and
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  Speaker 8: disguising more stuff. Obviously, you trade for Joey Porter, and
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  Speaker 8: that allows you to be more aggressive. Maybe it's on
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  Speaker 8: more blitzes because you've got a press man guy that
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  Speaker 8: gives you that extra second. Petten's obviously a maniac as
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  Speaker 8: far as disguises go and blitzes.
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  Speaker 6: And all that.
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  Speaker 8: Is this something that you think has been cooking and
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  Speaker 8: kind of been part of the grander plan all along,
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  Speaker 8: at least for the last couple weeks?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, I would imagine that it's
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  Speaker 2: something that they've been kind of thinking about. And that's
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  Speaker 2: always the case. I mean, that's probably the case in
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  Speaker 2: every position that there is, is you're always looking, as
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  Speaker 2: a head coach I would think, is like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: what would be our– break glass situation at running back,
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  Speaker 2: at offensive line, at linebacker, at quarterback, any position. And
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  Speaker 2: then defensively, what would you do? Who's out there that
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  Speaker 2: you like? What kind of makes sense? And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would think it'd be something that they would do.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think, I like what you said, Dylan,
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  Speaker 2: about the blitzing part, because I really think that that's
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  Speaker 2: what's going to have to happen here. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to make another trade. I'll be honest. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they make another trade for a defensive pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't– I don't know where the capital comes
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  Speaker 2: from unless you trade your own players. And there's really
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  Speaker 2: only one that would make sense, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they would want to do that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think you've got to go the way
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  Speaker 8: the Bucs went, and every game might have to be
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  Speaker 8: that way where you just start kind of selling out
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  Speaker 8: and you blitz so much that maybe sometimes you don't
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  Speaker 8: sell out and you're confusing the quarterbacks and all that,
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  Speaker 8: and it's like double-edged sword, but maybe you win more
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  Speaker 8: often than not doing that. So I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 8: and I'll take this last question off air. Have you
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  Speaker 8: heard anything about any potential moves, not as far as
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  Speaker 8: cutting players, but maybe some movement like with Everyone's talking
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  Speaker 8: about Ferguson and Bland and some of these guys. Have
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  Speaker 8: you heard anything about maybe potential playing time switch up
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  Speaker 8: in that regard?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks for the call. You know, the tight
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  Speaker 2: end one is interesting because we already saw, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're already seeing some of that. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was the first time that I can recall, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't sit there and study all the personnel groups
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  Speaker 2: all the time, but it was the first time that
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  Speaker 2: I could really remember them going all right 11 personnel
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  Speaker 2: and it's and it is spanford and it's not ferguson
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  Speaker 2: so i think you're you're kind of seeing the shift
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  Speaker 2: there now i mean spanford didn't actually just set the
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  Speaker 2: world on fire with with the extra reps and the
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  Speaker 2: things like that too he dropped a couple passes too
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  Speaker 2: and so um wasn't a great game for any of
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  Speaker 2: the tight ends to be to be honest with you
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  Speaker 2: um but i do think that they're starting to see
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  Speaker 2: that that that you know okay who's our best our
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  Speaker 2: best blocker and all that and it'd be one thing
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  Speaker 2: if if Ferguson was just night and day better than
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  Speaker 2: all of them as far as down the field making
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  Speaker 2: plays making catches and stuff like that but that hasn't
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  Speaker 2: really been the case either he hasn't had his best
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  Speaker 2: um situation so um sorry I'm reading here about the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles Barkley Devante Smith hopeful for return versus the Panthers
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  Speaker 2: okay Two games out, obviously, not trying to get too
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  Speaker 2: far ahead. But, you know, I mean, Cowboys hamstring injuries are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's a month. It seems like all of them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hamstring overshown. He's been out a month. Durant
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  Speaker 2: will probably be a month. Of course, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: here's Debo Samuel expected to miss some time hamstring at
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  Speaker 2: 49ers game coming up here in three or four or
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  Speaker 2: five weeks. Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: Eagles, by the way, also just reported Eagles lost their
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  Speaker 3: other running back, Shipley, with a torn plantar fasciitis or
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  Speaker 3: plantar fascia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was on my fantasy team for about four hours.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it had to— sorry to break those news
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  Speaker 2: to you no that's all good i mean i don't
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  Speaker 2: know i mean i i think we know what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen at running back i mean i think i
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  Speaker 2: think we have we know what's going to happen for
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  Speaker 2: the eagles at running back um barkley he probably will
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  Speaker 2: come back but i'm gonna be shocked if we don't
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  Speaker 2: see jayden blue playing um against the cowboys but i.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't even think about that he's on their practice squad
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  Speaker 3: right i.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know who's who that helps to be honest i
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  Speaker 2: really know i don't know um Anyways, I know the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles didn't sign him so that he could go and
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  Speaker 2: give all the Cowboys tips and stuff like that. That
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  Speaker 2: ain't happening. I can promise you that.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I answered Dylan's question correctly. Oh, he
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  Speaker 2: was talking more about it. Also, the tight end. Are
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  Speaker 2: we going to see changes at corner? Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: we will. the one thing that we haven't really seen yet, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the first game. No, no, no, we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: it at all because Joey Porter Jr. We have not
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  Speaker 2: seen like these corners. And I think they've got four
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  Speaker 2: good ones. When you go one to four, I think
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  Speaker 2: they're in, they're in pretty good shape. One to four,
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  Speaker 2: everybody healthy, um, Joey Porter Jr. And then after that, it's, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's take your pick on, on, you know, what you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do and you know, who, who, who's the
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  Speaker 2: second best. Is it, Is it Durant? Is it Bland?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Rebel? Whatever it is. But the four of
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  Speaker 2: them out there together, I think those four guys are...
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  Speaker 2: You can win. You can win with that. I mean,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: you have to. And I think we haven't seen it yet.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: So I think when they get to that situation... You know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: we'll see how they line it up. But I think
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: with cornerbacks, with those four, and then you throw in
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Caleb Downs as a nickel guy, I think you've got
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a pretty good situation here. But I'm fine with mixing
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: up all those blitzes. I mean, that's how you have
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to generate the pass rush. And if you can kind
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of switch up the back end a little bit, it's
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: not always, you know, Joey Porter going up against the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: best guy. Maybe he travels with, you know, their top
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: receiver or something like that. And then at times he
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: goes up with their second guy and just locks him
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: down and you double the number one guy. I'll never forget.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: That's what the 49ers did. And Troy Aikman's talked about
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that before with back in the day when Deion, there
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: were times Deions would go up against Michael. And they're
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: not going to go away from Michael. So they're going
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: to have to attack him. And it's pick your poison there.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: And then there's times where he would just take Alvin
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Harper out of the game. And then they would double
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: team Michael. So there's different ways to do it with
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Jody Porter Jr., and I think they've got the cornerbacks
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that can help. Now, what order that is, that's going
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to probably determine. Might be a week-to-week thing on injury
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and how they practice and those kind of things. All right,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: let's go to Bill in Pennsylvania.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: Bill.
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: Good morning, Nick. How you doing? Good.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: How you doing? Good to hear from you.
• 18:40
  Speaker 10: I'm well. Hey, first-time caller to this show, but a
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: long-time listener and Used to catch you on the break
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: from now until a year ago.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Go, Bill.
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: Hey, I was listening to a segment from Brian Valdis
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: this week, and he was saying that he would make
• 19:03
  Speaker 10: the trade, George Pickens for Max Crosby. I don't like that,
• 19:09
  Speaker 10: simply for the fact that Crosby's getting up there in
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: age and years, and If they're going to spend the
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: kind of money for Cosby for a new deal, why
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: not give it to Pickens? Because I think without Pickens,
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: they're going to double-team Lamb. And right now, Flannoy is
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: the way near the player that Pickens is. So I
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: hope that doesn't come to fruition for sure.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think that's probably your best
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: option to trade to get a defensive player. I don't
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: know if you're going to trade any more draft picks.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: He would be the only guy that you have to trade.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they trade pickings, but he was
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: who I was referring to earlier. I think, okay, it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that whole classic you robbing Peter to pay Paul. You
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, all right, well, now your
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: pass rusher and your defense look a lot better, but
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you You're not scoring as many points because the offense
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: isn't as potent as it was. And so, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: is it worth doing that? I don't know. I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: think so. I agree with you, Bill, on that. I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: don't know if I like that. I mean, CeeDee Lamb
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: is going nuts. And then when they try to take
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: him away, George Pickens went off. So somebody's going crazy
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: on this offense, and I think it's good enough. Just
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: keep tweaking that defense. Just fix that defense because the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: offense over here, I like how it's going here.
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: And two players that I really want to see play
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: more is James Houston for sure. And I hear a
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: lot about the quarterback speed. They say he is really
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: developing in place of Bland down the road. And these
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: next five games that we've got coming up, to me
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: it's going to be key whether or not we win
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: the division or even make the playoffs because after the
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: last five.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, we think so. You know
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, like we, we think it's brutal. Um,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: but I, you know, I, I kind of, I kind
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of think it's going to be just cause I don't,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Rams and Seahawks are gonna, are
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: going anywhere as far as they're going to be tough.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah. But I think, Bill, if you're losing
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: at home to a backup quarterback in an 0-4 Bucs team,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I think that just goes to show that this team,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: every game is going to be tough. Every single game
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is going to be a challenge. And if they're not
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: prepared and they're not ready to go out there and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: win the game, then they're going to lose. That's what
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this shows me is that they– I know this about
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this Cowboys team. They can lose to anyone on the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: schedule because they already have. I don't know if they
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: can beat everyone on the schedule. We haven't seen that yet.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The two games that they've won, the teams have one win.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Houston has one win now. Washington has one win. Washington
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: probably should have two wins, but that's on them. They
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: got lucky to even be in that situation because the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Giants were about to win that game. That was a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: mess from start to finish, but My point is that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: they've beaten Houston. Right now, what we know about this
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: team is that they got really close to beating Baltimore,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: but that was on them. They kind of messed it up.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And then the Giants game, that was a couple plays
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: here and there, but really they weren't really in position
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to win it. And then the two games that they've won,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: one of them, you know, Jaden Daniels gets hurt at halftime,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and that was probably going to be a close game.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: They ended up pulling away. And then they beat Houston.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: at the very end of the game, and that took
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a last-second win to come back to win that game.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So we haven't seen that they can go beat some
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of those top teams, but we know they can lose
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to some of the lower teams, and we'll find out
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: where the Cowboys fit and all that. Let's go to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: break real quick on Storyline. We'll be right back after this.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cowboys Storyline, presented by Gillette, the official
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• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cowboys Storyline, presented by Gillette. Once a week,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: we need to find the precision player of the week.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I think it would be George Pickens from the last
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: game against the Bucs. There really wasn't a lot of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: bright spots. He was one of them. He was really
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the only one. Had a huge game in there, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it was the first touchdown of the season for George Pickens.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And obviously his first 100-yard game. So George Pickens will
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: be our Precision Player of the Week. Precision isn't just
• 25:01
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• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So George Pickens, this week's Precision Player of the Week,
• 25:08
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• 25:10
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Back here on Cowboys Storyline. Chris from San Angelo has
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: been holding.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: Chris, what's up?
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, not much, Mr.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: Nick.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: How are you doing, bud?
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: Good.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I'm super. Thank you, man. Hey, I like that move
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: with the defense. I actually mentioned something during the offseason
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: right after they hired Christian Parker about having an older
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: guy come in there and just kind of help oversee things. So, Now,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I said it doesn't make it right or wrong, but anyway,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I hope it turns out to be a positive for them.
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: But anyway, Nick, the rest of the NFC East is
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: kind of doing their best to say, hey, guys, Cowboys,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: here we go. The door is open back up once
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you all come and get back in this thing, right?
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And with the defense, you know, the needs are pretty glaring,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you know, not getting enough pressure, having trouble– tackling. Sometimes
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: they just need one of the five guys standing around
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: just to make a tackle. But on offense, do you
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: think maybe more something like more swing throws to Goodson
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: or maybe a surprise appearance by Camden Brown, the preseason
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: guy in the game, might make the whole procedure a
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: little less predictable? Because at this point, it would be
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a surprise factor. Because the offense
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: does need to actually score more to help the defense
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: while they figure themselves out. The offense do pride themselves
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: on being a good offense. That's what they said anyway.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I think I see what you thought about that, buddy.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Chris. Appreciate the call. Yeah, I mean, the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: offense is– they don't just get to have a pass
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and say, oh, well, they're great. You know, they have
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: been at times, but that's the thing about this offense,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and it's the same as last year in the sense of,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not always great, but they always have
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to be. That's the reality of this team. They have
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to be great all the time, and when they're not,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: when Tampa Bay comes in here and and blitzes them
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to death, and they don't have a great answer for it,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and they can't be balanced, and they didn't have the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: ball for a lot of the time either. But some
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of that's on them too, because you can keep the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: ball by getting first downs. And so it's not just
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: on the defense, but it's both there. But when they're
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: not perfect, then you're not going to win. And so
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that's a problem for this team. And so it's not
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just yeah, you fix the defense, you know, it's, it
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: sucks to put them to have so much pressure on
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: them like that, but that's just the reality of it. So, um,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: but as far as the other, other guy, I Camden Brown,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you know, he's one of your inactive players. I don't,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he provides a spark for you
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: right now. I'm trying to think like, like who, who
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: do you take him? Who do you take? I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you can take off Mingo and just put in Camden Brown.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I don't, And Mingo's not playing a whole lot. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if that changes much, to be honest. Maybe
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: it does. And as long as Camden Brown can do
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the things Mingo's doing special teams-wise, I mean, I'd be
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: fine with that. But I don't know if that's the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: big issue there. I still think it's a tight end
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: type thing where, you know, how they're using the personnel there,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the tight ends. just aren't providing the blocking that you need,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and then they're not like these dynamic pass catchers either.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So they're just kind of in between, and that's not
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: good enough. I mean, it'd be great if they were
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: great at both, but that's rare. But you've got to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: at least be really good at something, but you're giving
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: it up for this and that. But if you're not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: catching the ball down the field and you're not blocking
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: these guys up at the line of scrimmage that well,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: What are we doing? And I think that's the biggest
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: issue there. All right, let's go to Josh in Chicago.
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: Hey, man.
• 29:31
  Speaker 13: So actually, part of what you're saying leads into my point.
• 29:33
  Speaker 13: But first, I want to say, you know, I don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: know who the caller was before me.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: But talking about.
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: Eating up the time of possession, too. I mean, in
• 29:43
  Speaker 13: the first two, three drives, Javante's got like 40 yards
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: on eight carries.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: And then we just say, like, we're up, you know, 10-7.
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: We basically just say, whatever, we're kind of done with that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: And, you know, that's just.
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: Crazy to me.
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 13: Your point about the tight end I think is valid,
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: and I kind of want to get your take out
• 30:02
  Speaker 13: of this. I actually think that one of the problems
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: with this offense, so the offense is great, and we
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: know that they're great or can be great. I think
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: part of their problem is they actually don't run enough
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: 22 personnel, and I would love to see some more
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: 22 personnel because I think that there's mismatches you can get.
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: having Javante in the backfield because of how well Javante
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: can pick up blocks and how well Lipke can pick
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: up blocks as well. So you can do more things
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: with Spanford and Ferguson and Javante on the field together.
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: I would even throw Bass in there as fullback at times, too,
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: because he can blow people up and you can still
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: run out of that. I know that the Titans, like
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: you're saying, they're not the best blockers, but they're both
• 30:43
  Speaker 13: capable and Brevin shown that he's going to at least
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: get in the way and put a, you know, hat
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: on hat there. So I would love to get your
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: take about that. I understand why we don't spend as
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: much time in 22 personnel because you want to have
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: CD and pickings on the field at the time. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: get that. But I think like there's times in the
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: game where you can, you can create mismatches and you
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: rotate those people in and you can also create mismatches
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: for Javante and for Brevin, especially in 22 personnel. So
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: I'd love to get your take on that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks Josh. 22 personnel. Um, two backs, two
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: tight ends. And it's the same with 11 personnel, one
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and one. So that number is the backs and the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: tight ends. Backs first and then the tight ends second.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So you have 13 personnel, three tight ends. But two
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and two, 22 personnel, I haven't seen a lot of that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And you're right. I mean, you're exactly right on all
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that of why they don't. You know, because they want
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that dynamic of we've got, Pickens and CD, and what
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: are you going to do with that? I still think
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: it comes back to the tight ends of what do
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: they do really well? And I... That's where I think
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that they're kind of falling short a little bit. But, man,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that would be a good, you know, hey, we're running
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the football at you. 22 personnel. We've got a fullback.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We've got a big running back. We've got two tight
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: ends and this offensive line. You know what we're going
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to do, so stop it. See if you can stop it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of mentality. That's playing big boy football.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And I always say this all the time. You've probably
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: heard me say it before. I know I've said it
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a ton of times watching it. Arkansas over the years
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: about you can't play big boy football if you don't
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: have the biggest boys. You just can't. You can't go
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: up there and say, we're going to line up and
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: run it down their throat. Well, not when they're bigger
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and better and stronger than you. So that's kind of
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the situation. So if you're going to play 22 personnel,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: do you have that personnel to say, hey, we're not
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: disguising anything. We're running it at you. Try to stop it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I know Nate Newton used to say it all the time,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and it was third and two. He would line up.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: There would be a defensive tackle right in front of him.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: He goes, It's coming right here. Right here, I'm running it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm on the block. Moose is coming behind me, and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: then Emmitt. That's 22. That guy's coming. Try to stop it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And they would tell him, and they couldn't. You know
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And that's Hall of Fame-type situation and
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: one of the best teams of all time. But the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: point is that when you can run the football, when
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: they know you're going to run and you can't stop it,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that's really what a great running game is. All right, sorry.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Going on a tangent there. Mike in Birmingham, England. Mike,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: what's up?
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: Greetings from England, Nick. My apologies, I've got a bit
• 33:22
  Speaker 14: of a cold today, so sorry if you hear any
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: funny noises from me. So, I want to just say
• 33:28
  Speaker 14: something about the show, and then I've got a point
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: about the Cowboys, if you'll permit me. So, like a
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: lot of people, I've come to care very much about
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: the show and want it to thrive, and we had
• 33:42
  Speaker 14: some really cool new callers last week, who I hope
• 33:46
  Speaker 14: call again soon. Yesterday, we had one of my favorite things.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: It was people reminiscing, people that have been doing this
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: for decades, reminiscing about the 60s, 70s, 80s, and I
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: drink that in. I love listening to that and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: passion that it comes with. There was a moment last
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: week on the show that was a bit of an
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: uncomfortable listen, and I'm just going to say this and
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: then move quickly on because I don't want to make
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: it awkward, but maybe if there's anyone who needs to
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: hear this, maybe they will. You don't win an argument
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: by shouting over someone and not letting them speak. And
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: if your argument requires you to comment on someone's appearance,
• 34:24
  Speaker 14: then you really haven't got an argument at all. Right,
• 34:26
  Speaker 14: let's leave that there.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: I'm going to move that on.
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: I don't want to put you in an awkward position
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: of needing to comment. So, talk about the Cowboys. There
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: was a question asked online, who's got the best team
• 34:36
  Speaker 14: in the NFC East? And I answered it by saying,
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: I think the Cowboys have got the best roster, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: that isn't necessarily... the same question um and i'm a
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: little bit worried at the moment um i know that
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: jerry jones and the front office have a track record
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: of being quite loyal to coaches and sticking with them
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: perhaps too much um some people would say with garrett
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: and mccarthy um but there's been a lot of talk
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: through the season so far in the off season about
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: um jerry's moving differently And I think this weekend is
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: massive for Brian Schottenheimer. I really want this guy to succeed.
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: I think he's a great bloke. I love listening to him.
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: I think he comes across well. He comes across passionately
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: about the team and just a really cool guy. And
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: I want him to succeed.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: But.
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: the things that we're seeing and the similarities with a
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: completely different defense, a completely different coach, the similarities with
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: last year and the constant or a constant is Brian Schottenheimer.
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: And I just wonder if this new Jerry that is
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: moving and making moves and perhaps, you know, very mindful
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: of his own time left in the game might start
• 36:02
  Speaker 14: to get an itchy trigger finger if things don't go well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: I really hope we win on Sunday. I want Shotty
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: to thrive. But just wondered if you thought that anything,
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: it just felt a little bit of a watershed kind
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: of moment against the Bucs. So just wondered what you
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: think about that. Thanks very much as always.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right. Thanks for the call. You know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I wonder a lot of things and, you know, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: wonder what Shadi's message to the team will be like
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: next year, you know, going into next year's training camp.
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that'll be. It'll be determined on
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: how this season ends up. I'm not looking ahead. What
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is Shadi's probably going to be the head
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: coach here next year for going into next year's team
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and draft and all that kind of stuff. That's what
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I believe. So I don't think it's a hot seat.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I don't. Um, this is a young coach, uh, a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: young head coach. I mean, he's been around it for
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a while, but this is the first time he's been
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a head coach and he's, and he's the offensive coordinator.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of what I was saying earlier about
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the tight ends. You know, if you're, if we're asking
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you to do two things, you need to do one
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of them really, really well.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And, and so as a play caller and offensive coordinator, uh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: at least you can say that this offense has been
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: really good now for two years. To be a head
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: coach and also figure out how to do the game
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: management and all this stuff and also call the plays,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: it is not easy. They knew that going in, and
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: they're going to let him grow on that and build
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: culture and all that kind of thing. Let's see how
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: this season goes. I don't think we're at a situation
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: where it's, man, he can't do that now. I don't know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: but if it was a Washington Giants type of situation,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that's pretty bad. But even at that, I think that,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I just don't think that we're talking about
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: a head coach on thin ice. I don't. That's not
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: where I think we are here. Isaac in Amarillo is next.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Isaac.
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  Speaker 9: Mr.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Nick, hope all is well, sir. How you doing?
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: Doing very well, sir.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: Thank you for asking.
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: Just had one question specifically with.
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: The tight ends and, of course, Jake Ferguson. I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: everybody's Obviously kind of maybe even already sensing the shift
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: that maybe he gets a reduced role. And it wasn't
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: too long ago that Jake got his extension. I just
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: wanted to get your thoughts because there's always that kind of,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: I don't even know how to phrase it. I guess
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: it's almost like a stereotype that once a player gets
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: that big money, there's some.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: Type of decline.
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's that simple with Jake. Do
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: you think, and this is the question, do you think
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: that maybe as good as the defensive coordinators are, they
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: just really understand who Jake Ferguson is? that maybe his
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: ball security is lacking or maybe he's just a receiving
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: tight end and that's the reason for the decline or
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: is it just as simple as hey this dude's not
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: a good blocker and you know you put will anderson
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: on the other side that will be exposed just want
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: to get your thoughts.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah thanks thanks for the call um you know
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: uh isaac you're you're right about that as far as
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen it a lot. Players get, get
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the big money. Do they continue to have that same success?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: A couple of things happen. I'm, I am not going
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to sit here and say that, no, there's no way
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: that a player kind of, you know, has less motivation and, and,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and maybe doesn't, doesn't give the same effort.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It's happened too many times to think that that doesn't
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: factor into this. What I know happens is the expectations
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: for everyone, fans, media, even the team, the ownership, front office,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: everything gets, you know, the expectations go even higher now.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: You know, now you're not on your rookie contract anymore.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Now we're paying you $ 20 million a year, $ 10 million,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: whoever it is I'm talking about. In Ferguson's case, $ 12
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: million a year. You know, and that's what these contracts are.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: You know, you've earned the contract, but we're paying you
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: for what we still think you're going to do. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: The expectations go up, and it's most of the time
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: they don't meet it. I mean, you go back to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the last 10 contract extensions that they've had, and who's
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: met them? Who's exceeded it?
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: CD?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe. CD? Dak? Dak's in a tough spot
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: because he's still the highest-paid player in the league. No
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: one's at $ 60 million a year, and he hasn't made
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the playoffs since then. So it's hard to say, well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: he's done it. Dak's playing great. But at the same time,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: it's got to even be better than that when you're
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the highest-paid player in the history of the NFL. So
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of factors there. And as far as
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Ferguson goes, I think he's good at some things, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: there's not this one element where he's like, he is
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: awesome at that. And I think that's tough sometimes because
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you need that, especially from the tight end. I've got
• 41:00
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  Speaker 2: phone lines. Lester in Minnesota. Lester, what's up?
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: Hey, good morning, Nick.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: Hey, man. First of all, I want to say I'm
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: glad that we got our defensive coordinator a little bit
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: of help there. I think it was about time for
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: us to get him a little help.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: I heard that he kind of worked with this guy before,
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: so it should be a smooth transition.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: Second of all, I think we can do both things.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: We can... have Pickens and CD out there, and we
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: can run the ball. If we have two running backs,
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: two receivers, and one tight end, I think we can
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: still run the ball with that and still have Pickens
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: and CD out there at the same time. So I
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: don't know what everybody's talking about. We need this or
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: that or whatever. Some people say, well, we don't have
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: Pickens and such and such out there. Well, we can
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: do both. We can have a running offensive look and
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: have them both out there at the same time. I think,
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: like I was saying before, we need to protect our
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: defense because it's still growing. we're giving our defensive coordinator
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: some time and I'm giving them grace and time. So
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: in order to do that, we still need to run
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: the ball.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: And also why we're trying to fool everybody. Okay. Cause
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: I hear some people say, well, you know, if you
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: put Ferguson out there, he's going to catch it. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: if you put the other guy, he's going to block. Well, okay.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: Football is a will of men. So if, Just put
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: them out there. If Spanford is out there, if that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: the indication we're going to run the ball, run the ball.
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: I mean, why are we trying to trick everybody? I
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: don't understand that. Just run the ball. If that's what
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: you're going to do with Ferguson out there, you're going
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: to pass, pass it. We have a potent offense. Why
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: are we trying to trick people? I understand we can
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: trick some people sometimes, but it just seems like that's
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: like an issue. I don't understand that part. All right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: And that's all I got. Let's go, let's go, let's go, Cowboys.
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Lester kind of fired up today. I'm with you on that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You don't have to trick everybody all the time. But
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you got to be good enough to do that. That's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: kind of what I went back and said. You got
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to be good enough to do what you're doing there
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: as far as, hey, if we're going to run it,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: then be sound and be efficient because they know what
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you're doing, but can they stop it?
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I got one more caller. I got to take Eric
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: in North Carolina. Eric, what's up?
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: Hey, Nick, since you were talking about such a high
• 45:08
  Speaker 15: percentage of players that their production falls off after they
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: get the new contract, except for a rare case like
• 45:19
  Speaker 15: Prescott or Lamb, what do you think about trading the
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: player in their fourth year if they're a first-rounder and
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: their third year if they're a second-rounder? through a seventh rounder,
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: it's like a regular policy and it will be a
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: rarity when you resign somebody, you know, you'd always have
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: a young player.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: Uh, you'd always have drafts. I mean, uh, uh, salary
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: cap room, you know, theoretically, what do you think about that?
• 45:52
  Speaker 15: And I'll, I'll listen off air.
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: Thanks, Eric.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. That's a good, that's a good question.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: And that's one that probably I'm kind of up against
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: it with time. Um, Because there's a lot of debate
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: on that one. And basically what he's saying, if you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: didn't understand exactly what he's saying, he's like a philosophy
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: of drafting guys and kind of developing them and then
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: maybe trading them away before that big contract and getting
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: something for them. And then your salary cap stays cheap.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and you make exceptions probably for a few players, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: for the most part, you're trying to move on. You know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that could work at times, you know, at times, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: then you... You look at a Pittsburgh or somebody like that,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what Pittsburgh has done. You know, when
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you think about these players that they've drafted, they've drafted
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: high players, you know, a George Pickens, and then they
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: trade them. And then are you good with that? Are
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you comfortable if you're Pittsburgh and you get a third
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: round pick and then he goes out and He plays
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the way he plays. Are you fine with that? And
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: so every player is a little bit different in that situation.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad philosophy. And I think that times
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: you do that. I do think the Steelers do it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I think other teams have done it. I feel like
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the Eagles kind of do that every now and again.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But it's still a case-by-case situation. And that's just not
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the way Jerry has operated. He looks at it like, oh,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I got a superstar player. I want to build guys
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: around him. And so it's just tough because guys kind
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of turn the corner at different parts of their career, and,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's always, I always look at the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Miles Austin, you know, I'm sorry, Miles Austin was just
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: fourth year, he hadn't done anything, 06, 07, 08, hadn't
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: really done anything, and then 09, he goes and he's
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: a two-time pro bowler, you know, and he just, he
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: was ready, that light bulb went on, and it goes
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: on and off at different times for different players, so
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it That's a hard strategy, and it's hard to be
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: cutthroat like that. Say, hey, appreciate it. You're a good
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: young player. You're 26 years old. You're in your fourth year. Man,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: we've sold some of your jerseys, and we got your
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: picture up here on the poll banners, but we're going
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to trade you. We're going to trade you. We're going
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: to move on. It's a tough business. It's not the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: way Jerry's kind of operated. I'm not saying it's wrong,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: but it's not always, you know, you're giving away some
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: really good players when you do that, so it's a
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: risk there. It's a good question, though. It's a good thought,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and there are times when players Teams should do that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: All right. Good show, guys. Ten callers. We got to
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: ten and had a good discussion, good debate. Got to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: do a first-time caller for a while. Great show, in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: my opinion. We'll do it again tomorrow, though. For Chris Beam,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I'm Nick Eatman. See you tomorrow. Cowboy Storyline.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah!
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