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Hutton & Withrow: Tennessee QB Controversy vs. Alabama, Arch Manning Struggles & College Football Coaching Chaos | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: before we get to primary complaint, we are going to
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Speaker 1: be in Knoxville on Friday night. God's country, Hutton. Friday
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Speaker 1: night at Dixieland Delight Friday night. Back home, Hutton. Back home.
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Speaker 3: Coming home, baby.
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Speaker 1: Your second home, Wagon Wheel. 815 Eastern in Knoxville. You
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Speaker 1: join us as we pregame for Alabama and Tennessee. Uh, and, uh,
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Speaker 1: we've got the next round guys will be there in Gatlinburg. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'll be joining with them on Friday morning as well. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: plenty of coverage here at sport and state. We're back
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Speaker 1: on the road. We're back in Knoxville. We're back in
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Speaker 1: Chad's backyard, uh, Knoxville, Tennessee, Rocky top as the Vols battle,
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Speaker 1: the Crimson tide on the third Saturday of October. Looking
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Speaker 1: forward to it, man. Last time I was there for
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Speaker 1: this 2022 where, uh, we should get this back and
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Speaker 1: we should play this clay in the back of the truck. Uh,
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Speaker 1: talking about the win over Alabama. I think Friday, Hutton,
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Speaker 1: we need to play that.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: You're going to be there. I'm not going to be
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Speaker 1: with you on Friday, but you're going to be there
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Speaker 1: in Gatlinburg doing the show. You should definitely play.
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Speaker 3: That on Friday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally forgot about that. And you are a
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Speaker 1: good luck charm. I feel like the times that you've
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Speaker 1: been in Knoxville, the Vols have come away with a
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Speaker 1: huge win. So maybe that'll happen again for Tennessee in 2026.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Heupel, you know, right now is two
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Speaker 1: and three overall against Alabama, which is a spectacular record.
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Speaker 1: And Compared to the previous years with Nick Saban at
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Speaker 1: the helm for Alabama. And he's 2-0 at home. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I was going to say 2-0 at home. So DeBoer, okay.
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Speaker 1: 2-0 at home is what the record is. That's great.
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Speaker 1: It's 1-1 against DeBoer. So they won in 2024 against DeBoer. 2022,
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Speaker 1: you saw the win against Saban.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the last chance against Saban in Neyland. That was
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Speaker 1: an insane game. Last year, of course, Tennessee's going in
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Speaker 1: to make it a game. And Joey Aguilar throws a
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Speaker 1: 99-yard pick-six shot. on the last play of the first half,
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Speaker 1: and then Alabama runs away with it. That might be
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Speaker 1: the greatest game I've ever seen from a quarterback who
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Speaker 1: lost in Bryce Young that night.
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Speaker 3: That was incredible.
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Speaker 1: It was an unbelievable spectacle. It was just every swing
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Speaker 1: of that game, and then late, and you think Alabama's
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Speaker 1: going to win it, and then the Tennessee takes a shot,
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Speaker 1: then they got a field goal to win it. As
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Speaker 1: the kids say, absolute cinema, start to finish, especially with
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Speaker 1: Tennessee winning that game. It's one of the highlights of
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Speaker 1: my sports life, having been there to witness that. And
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Speaker 1: maybe we'll see some more magic on Saturday, but it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a magical weekend. Friday, you'll be in Gatlinburg,
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Speaker 1: where the next round live is going to be broadcasting.
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Speaker 1: So one show in the morning to the other show
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Speaker 1: in the morning, and then we'll be live 8.15 Central Time,
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Speaker 1: 9.15 Eastern, 8.15 Eastern. Yeah, okay. 7.15 Central Time, I
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Speaker 1: think is the time, actually. And we'll be on from
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Speaker 1: Wagon Wheel in the Old City.
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Speaker 3: Can't wait, Hutton.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be awesome. We will not be complaining.
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Speaker 1: on Saturday or Friday, for that matter. But we do
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Speaker 1: complain on Wednesdays. It's time for primary complaint. Guys, as
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Speaker 1: JT also joins us here in a moment, my primary
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Speaker 1: complaint this week is the lack of consistency in literally
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Speaker 1: anything in Nashville. In old fashions. If it's a restaurant's
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Speaker 1: version of an old fashion, a new fashion, nothing tastes
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Speaker 1: the same. There's no consistency. Pizza tastes Can we find
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Speaker 1: some good pizza anywhere in Tennessee that's consistent? No. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing that really stacks together that is always the same,
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Speaker 1: regardless of who's making it, serving it, providing it, producing it.
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Speaker 1: It's all different, even though on the menu it says
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a certain level of quality, standard,
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Speaker 1: or expectation. That's my primary complaint. Yeah, there's got to
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Speaker 1: be a baseline. There's got to be a baseline of service,
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Speaker 1: a baseline product, a baseline of something. You can't have
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Speaker 1: these wild swings of quality, of consistency. I'll give you
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Speaker 1: an example of that. We're eating out every night for
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Speaker 1: dinner here at the beach. I've had a chance to
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Speaker 1: go to a lot of restaurants. The lack of consistency
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Speaker 1: in silverware distribution to the table really blows my mind.
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Speaker 1: Because everywhere we've gone so far, I feel like after
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Speaker 1: appetizers come out, we're having to ask for silverware that
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Speaker 1: should already be there when we're set. You're right. This
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Speaker 1: is how the process should go. When they're getting a
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Speaker 1: table ready or clearing it, put silverware down for the
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Speaker 1: amount of people that's in that party to sit down
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Speaker 1: and have silverware there. Instead, it's like, hey, go run
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Speaker 1: and grab that table. We're not going to do anything
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Speaker 1: to it. Our waiter's going to come over and immediately
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Speaker 1: start getting drink orders and appetizers ordered. We're not even
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Speaker 1: going to worry about silverware. And then once we give
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Speaker 1: you silverware, we're going to be in a dead sprint
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Speaker 1: to get that silverware off the table immediately. Like I
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Speaker 1: would be fine using the same fork I use for
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Speaker 1: appetizers for my main course.
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Speaker 3: Me too.
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Speaker 1: If you left it there at the table.
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Speaker 3: If you leave it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But instead I'm like, look, if there's a dishwasher issue.
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Speaker 1: or you don't want to be cycling through so much silverware,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine to keep this silverware. What I would prefer
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Speaker 1: is that when I sit at the table, the silverware
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Speaker 1: is there waiting on me, so it's ready for whatever
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Speaker 1: we're eating before the main course comes out. Instead, it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: we're going to wait forever to give you the silverware,
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Speaker 1: and then once you get done with one bite of something,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be coming trying to grab that. And
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Speaker 1: then I'm going to ask for new silverware that you're
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Speaker 1: not going to bring out immediately because you're trying to
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Speaker 1: get that off the table so quick. Consistency. consistency of
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Speaker 1: the delivery of the silverware. It needs to be there
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Speaker 1: when you sit down at the table, not after. I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be having to ask for it. And then, hey,
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Speaker 1: just let me hold on to it. I'm fine now
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Speaker 1: that I see there's some issue with your dishwasher going
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Speaker 1: on that I'm just going to hold on to this
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Speaker 1: set right now. You don't have to take it off
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Speaker 1: my plate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And also like the napkin, a straw, if someone wants
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Speaker 1: a straw. You and I don't, but many do. Everyone
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Speaker 1: has to ask for it. It's never just given. It's
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Speaker 1: The whole thing is bizarre to me. I agree. And also,
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Speaker 1: just forget about asking for a condiment to come out
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Speaker 1: with it. You're going to ask again once they do it. Now,
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Speaker 1: sometimes the server is smart enough to know, oh, I
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Speaker 1: didn't get your blue cheese or whatever. I need to
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Speaker 1: go get your blue cheese. They look down at your
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Speaker 1: plate and see it, and they're reminded when they see
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Speaker 1: that it's not there. But most of the time, you're
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Speaker 1: just going to ask for it again because they're not
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Speaker 1: really even listening. It's like someone requesting light ice during
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Speaker 1: a big order where it's just not going to be
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Speaker 1: honored at all. I feel like that way when I
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Speaker 1: ask a server. I'm on that guy's show today. What?
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Speaker 1: I'm on this show today. Light ice. Oh, nice. Good.
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Speaker 1: Drink something with light ice in honor of me, please.
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Speaker 1: I'll try to bring something up describing the Titans. They're
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Speaker 1: very light ice. JT.
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Speaker 4: Guys, this all started because my 10-year-old, for some reason,
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Speaker 4: has become obsessed with Avatar, wants contact lenses to be blue,
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Speaker 4: like even non-prescription just contact lenses. She does wear contacts
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Speaker 4: and glasses, but I'm.
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Speaker 3: Blind as a bat.
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Speaker 4: I've worn glasses, contacts since I was probably 10 or
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Speaker 4: 12 years old. My prescription, though, for both contacts and
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Speaker 4: glasses haven't changed in years.
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Speaker 3: I know when I have issues seeing, right?
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Speaker 4: If something's not right, I'll go to the eye doctor
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Speaker 4: and say.
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Speaker 3: Hey, let's get a prescription. Let's get a checkup.
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Speaker 4: I also love my dentist, but you know what I
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Speaker 4: don't have to do when I want to go buy
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Speaker 4: a toothbrush? toothpaste or floss, I don't have to go
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Speaker 4: to my dentist to get a prescription for that.
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Speaker 3: So I have a prescription for my horrible eyes, but.
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Speaker 4: When I run out of contacts and I have to
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Speaker 4: go back to the eye doctor, have my eye exam,
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Speaker 4: have them tell me everything looks the same as it
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Speaker 4: has the last 10 years, but by God, my prescription
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Speaker 4: is 18 months old. So I'm not able to purchase contacts.
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Speaker 4: The fact that my prescription is only good for 12
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Speaker 4: months at the eye doctor is is my primary complaint.
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Speaker 1: And the eye's dilated, too, every time.
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Speaker 2: Oh, of course.
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Speaker 4: For an additional $ 125, we can take care of this.
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Speaker 4: I've got a new primary complaint, by the way. It's
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Speaker 4: this guy riding around down here. He's not even mowing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening, but someone's just riding some
9:03
Speaker 1: sort of vehicle. I don't know if they're seating the
9:06
Speaker 1: lawn next to me at this condo complex. He's getting
9:09
Speaker 1: further away from me now, so I should be okay,
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Speaker 1: but I'm like, he's just going around in circles. on
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Speaker 1: something while he's listening to something. Is it a zero-turn mower?
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Speaker 1: It's probably somebody who just stole it. It's like a
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Speaker 1: zero-turn mower with a hauler in the front of it
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Speaker 1: where it's got something in there. It almost looks like
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Speaker 1: something someone would do with seating, but I don't see...
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Speaker 1: where he's even seeding anything, and now he's just driving
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Speaker 1: off into the distance.
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Speaker 4: Definitely no question about is that a green screen behind
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Speaker 4: you or not if we're having to deal with this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. This guy needs to get out of here.
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Speaker 1: He needs to get out of here quickly. If he doesn't,
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Speaker 1: I'll be moving inside. JT's going to relate to this too.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Terry Porch and the field crew for the
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Speaker 1: Titans would always, right when we would go on air post-practice,
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Speaker 1: would come up right next to the broadcast and just loud,
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Speaker 1: just extremely loud. It's like, you've got the entire field
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Speaker 1: over here. like can we can we talk to uh
10:02
Speaker 1: can we talk to Delaney Walker in peace you know
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Speaker 1: without JT was probably uh throwing stuff in the studio
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Speaker 1: at that time yes yeah uh JT well done and
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Speaker 1: with the blue context does she have the blue context.
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Speaker 4: So we're going to get some. Apparently you can buy
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Speaker 4: non-prescription contacts. If you have a prescription, there's 1-800-contacts.com. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: we'll be able to get that for like 60 bucks for,
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Speaker 4: I think, two contacts. Absolutely ridiculous. I was so angry
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Speaker 4: at my wife who bought those last night. But at
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Speaker 4: least the 10-year-old will be happy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I had LASIK. Have you considered that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I've had zero issues with LASIK. I've had LASIK, too,
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Speaker 1: and I love it.
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Speaker 4: There's not enough alcohol to lay me down to have
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Speaker 4: my eyes open and needles just shot in my eyeball.
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Speaker 1: It is kind of weird.
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Speaker 3: It is weird. I'm good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chad and I endorse it. Good to see you, JT.
10:59
Speaker 1: Pop on anytime, man. Pop on anytime. Chad, we've got
11:02
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11:09
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Speaker 1: So Faison Brandon, Chad, could he play? Could we see
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Speaker 1: him start? We've got the report here. Pete Thamel, Faison Brandon.
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Speaker 1: I've been told by sources that Faison Brandon has experienced
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Speaker 1: an uptick in practice reps. No decision is imminent on
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Speaker 1: who will start in the game. Is this gamesmanship or
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Speaker 1: is this legit? I would be very surprised if George
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Speaker 1: McIntyre is not the starter on Saturday, the first one
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Speaker 1: out of the gates to start this football game. I'll
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Speaker 1: also say that Josh Heupel has now gone out of
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Speaker 1: his way to act like it was not because of
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Speaker 1: performance as to how he exited the game against Auburn.
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Speaker 1: And he wasn't pulled. He was injured. There's no talk
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Speaker 1: of injury because he never talks about injuries. There's no
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Speaker 1: talk about injury. He was never on an injury report
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Speaker 1: that week leading into Auburn. And then suddenly in the
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Speaker 1: Auburn game, well, he's been battling some injuries and that
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Speaker 1: affected him. So now he's healthy. So, guys, he wasn't benched.
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Speaker 1: He was benched for performance. Now, I think the injury
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Speaker 1: contributed to it, that he suffered against Texas, but he
14:08
Speaker 1: was benched because of performance. You thought he was good
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Speaker 1: enough to go, even though he didn't practice the week
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Speaker 1: leading up to Auburn. He clearly wasn't. He needed that preparation.
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Speaker 1: Like any 18-year-old quarterback would need a week of preparation
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Speaker 1: going into a game. It showed against Auburn. And people
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Speaker 1: are very upset about this. They've got very strong feelings
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Speaker 1: about McIntyre or Brandon right now, either or. My contention
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Speaker 1: is they need both of these guys. And if Faison
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Speaker 1: Brandon is healthy, there is nothing wrong, to me, with
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Speaker 1: having some packages where he plays in this football game.
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Speaker 3: He should.
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Speaker 1: On Saturday. He should.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: If McIntyre throws an interception early or he looks sluggish
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Speaker 1: at any time, you can go with Brandon for a bit.
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Speaker 1: Have some packages where Faison Brandon can add some things
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Speaker 1: to the run game. Yes. Against Alabama in this game.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things Tennessee can do. But
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Speaker 1: my main point, we're halfway through the season now, which
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Speaker 1: is crazy, by the way. already halfway through the college
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Speaker 1: football season. But we got the back half of the
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Speaker 1: season left. Tennessee is going to need both those guys
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Speaker 1: to play at different times, whether it be because of
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Speaker 1: performance or injury or something. They need both in this
15:13
Speaker 1: 2026 season. You're likely not going to have both in 2027.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be one or the other. And I
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Speaker 1: know that fans want to get to that next thing
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Speaker 1: already and who's going to be the guy and where's
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Speaker 1: Tennessee going to invest and all that. I understand some
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Speaker 1: of that. But if you're Josh Heupel and you're looking
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Speaker 1: out for 2026, which you should be, right now and
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Speaker 1: for each game of the 2026 season, you need both
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Speaker 1: guys to get healthy and be available in each game.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to see both the quarterbacks play on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch and see what Heupel does.
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Speaker 1: Will he have a quick trigger if one of the
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Speaker 1: two starts to play bad? If it's not about performance,
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Speaker 1: then he's going to have to back that up. It's
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Speaker 1: a weird situation because the player knows. The player knows.
15:58
Speaker 1: But the protection is there through Hypo. We wouldn't expect
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Speaker 1: anything different. Hey, how about this? The fifth straight AP
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Speaker 1: Top 15 matchup between these two programs. Chad, to me,
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Speaker 1: this directly points to NIL and the fact that Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: over the course of the last five years or so,
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Speaker 1: has jumped in and they've been able to dive in
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Speaker 1: headfirst through Spire, through the university, through funding, through Hypel.
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Speaker 1: They have always been first and tried to be the
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Speaker 1: leader in whatever, like paying Nico. I hadn't seen $ 2
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Speaker 1: million for a guy out of high school. They did it.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Alabama, they didn't jump in initially. They had Saban.
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Speaker 1: And now they're starting to crank things back up. I
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Speaker 1: think that has allowed the rest of the pack to
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Speaker 1: kind of get rid of the separation between the top
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Speaker 1: and then the next tier. And we finished the Saban
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Speaker 1: documentary here at the beach last night.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Part six. Really well done. I really enjoyed it. It
16:59
Speaker 1: also illustrates what you're talking about. Nick Saban was very
17:04
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in the NFL because guys had more power. They
17:07
Speaker 1: were making more money than the head coach at times.
17:09
Speaker 1: He did not like that. He didn't like when the
17:12
Speaker 1: balance of power shifted a bit. And he always talks
17:14
Speaker 1: about they losing the semifinal in the Rose Bowl to Michigan.
17:18
Speaker 1: And then the next day, guys are in his office
17:20
Speaker 1: asking for more money or they're going to transfer. And
17:22
Speaker 1: that's what ended up leading to him leaving the sport
17:25
Speaker 1: as a coach and retiring. And Tennessee did embrace that fully.
17:29
Speaker 1: And it helped Tennessee get their footing in this rivalry again,
17:32
Speaker 1: which that's where they are now. This is more of
17:34
Speaker 1: a back-and-forth affair the last four or five years between
17:38
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Alabama because Tennessee was an early adopter of
17:41
Speaker 1: where the sport was headed for NIL. So, yeah, there's
17:45
Speaker 1: a little bit of old school with the new school
17:47
Speaker 1: in this, but you know that Kalen DeBoer is going
17:51
Speaker 1: to be okay with spending money on the roster. I
17:54
Speaker 1: think Alabama's becoming more around to it, but just looking
17:58
Speaker 1: at where this rivalry was... It's crazy, those top 15
18:03
Speaker 1: matchups that we're talking about. But some of those point spreads,
18:06
Speaker 1: can we show that tweet again, guys, when you look
18:09
Speaker 1: at this? We're talking about, man, Alabama might be a 7.5, 8.5,
18:12
Speaker 1: maybe even a double-digit favorite. In 2017, Alabama was a
18:14
Speaker 1: 34-point favorite. Wow. They were a 29-point favorite in 2011.
18:24
Speaker 1: They were a 28-point favorite in 2013. Look at the
18:28
Speaker 1: last sentence. And I just watched the documentary detailing all
18:31
Speaker 1: these years. 2011-2012 was back-to-back national championships for Alabama. 2013
18:37
Speaker 1: was Butch Jones' first year. Of course, 2011, Derek Dooley
18:41
Speaker 1: was there. And then 2017 was the end of the
18:45
Speaker 1: Butch Jones era in Knoxville, giving way to Jeremy Pruitt.
18:50
Speaker 1: And they covered all those spreads, Bama did. It just
18:54
Speaker 1: wasn't a rivalry, you know, for so many years because
18:56
Speaker 1: Alabama had Nick Saban and Tennessee had a revolving door
18:59
Speaker 1: of failed coaches. And then Heupel and, you know, again,
19:03
Speaker 1: like the NIL, they've really benefited. It's more about Tennessee
19:07
Speaker 1: than Bama, you know, about where we are. And they've
19:10
Speaker 1: closed the gap. They haven't slammed the door, but they've
19:14
Speaker 1: closed the gap. I mean, that's credit there. I mean, again,
19:17
Speaker 1: that factors into Saturday. It's only, what is it, seven
19:19
Speaker 1: and a half right now? Seven and a half, yep.
19:22
Speaker 2: Okay.
19:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, this is the way in a lot of
19:25
Speaker 1: rivalries that are longstanding. Fan bases always say this, what
19:28
Speaker 1: have we done wrong? How have we fallen off? How
19:31
Speaker 1: has this team caught us? And sometimes it's just, hey,
19:34
Speaker 1: the other team made a good hire and they've invested
19:36
Speaker 1: or they've made some smart decisions. They got good coordinators
19:39
Speaker 1: and they got a lot better. It's not always something
19:42
Speaker 1: you fail to do. Yeah, that's right. As a program,
19:44
Speaker 1: sometimes teams around you just get better. I've said it before,
19:47
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Tennessee football has been at its best.
19:50
Speaker 1: when alabama is tripping over themselves uh with ncaa sanctions
19:55
Speaker 1: or hires and georgia doesn't get it right georgia struggles
19:58
Speaker 1: when georgia's got a great coach hello kirby smart hello
20:02
Speaker 1: and when they're getting all the players in state in
20:04
Speaker 1: georgia uh they struggled when dabbo sweeney had it going
20:07
Speaker 1: at clemson because suddenly they couldn't go into north carolina
20:10
Speaker 1: and get guys they want. David Sanders is probably going
20:13
Speaker 1: to Clemson out of Charlotte, North Carolina, and not Tennessee
20:16
Speaker 1: if Dabo was playing for national championships every other year
20:20
Speaker 1: the way he was for a decade. Again, sometimes it's
20:24
Speaker 1: other people falling off. Sometimes it's you're smarter and gotten
20:27
Speaker 1: better at what you're doing and have a good system
20:29
Speaker 1: in place. It's the way the sport works at times.
20:32
Speaker 1: I'm happy, though, Hutton, we're going back to a game
20:34
Speaker 1: like this, and you at least go into it feeling
20:36
Speaker 1: like these are two really good teams. I don't think
20:40
Speaker 1: Tennessee's passing offense is good at all, but I think
20:43
Speaker 1: overall they've got good talent, they've got decent depth, they've
20:47
Speaker 1: got a really good defense, and they're a good football
20:49
Speaker 1: team that's going to give anybody problems. In Alabama, I
20:52
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the same way. I think their
20:53
Speaker 1: offense is really good, but there's some holes there too
20:57
Speaker 1: in their run defense against good opponents and some other
21:00
Speaker 1: things that you can look at and say, okay, there's
21:02
Speaker 1: going to be some opportunities there for Tennessee. Hey, and
21:04
Speaker 1: speaking of teams who are better, UCLA. Not Kenny Chesney.
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22:17
Speaker 1: personality in coaching. We went through an era where it
22:21
Speaker 1: was led by goats, the greatest of all time type coaches,
22:27
Speaker 1: but not personality-wise. They didn't really want to do that.
22:31
Speaker 1: It was poison. And now there's much more front-facing coaches
22:38
Speaker 1: It's an alpha quality, but it's more entertaining. They'll sit
22:44
Speaker 1: up there and they'll put on a show. And we're
22:47
Speaker 1: seeing more behind-the-scenes access because schools are doing their own thing.
22:50
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart is leaking his own halftime speeches. It's all
22:56
Speaker 1: about the online clicks, the exposure. Everyone's doing it, so
23:00
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing it. But I love the behind-the-scenes
23:04
Speaker 1: pregame speeches. It takes me back to a high school day.
23:08
Speaker 1: It's what I envisioned my coach would be doing, my
23:11
Speaker 1: favorite team's coach would be doing. But UCLA, they get
23:16
Speaker 1: the victory, and Chesney, the head coach, who's doing a
23:20
Speaker 1: nice job, man, here's the pregame words. Let me finish
23:26
Speaker 1: the story.
23:27
Speaker 2: Mr. Merriam, this dude ends up saying that standing on
23:31
Speaker 2: the fucking fence about to go in and start the war.
23:34
Speaker 3: And he wants to make sure.
23:37
Speaker 1: Nobody has any other thought. No other thought.
23:40
Speaker 2: Other than that 100% positive we're winning this fucking battle.
23:44
Speaker 2: And he turns around and says, puts in the votes
23:47
Speaker 2: that they would have to go home on. And says,
23:50
Speaker 2: burn the fucking boat.
23:52
Speaker 1: Burn the fucking boat. There is no way out.
23:54
Speaker 2: We can't go that way.
23:54
Speaker 1: We've got to go through.
23:56
Speaker 2: These other parts. We've got to go that way.
23:57
Speaker 1: We've got to go that way.
23:59
Speaker 3: We've got to go that way.
23:59
Speaker 2: We've got to go that way. We've got to go
24:01
Speaker 2: that way.
24:24
Speaker 1: I mean, he's performing.
24:26
Speaker 3: I love it.
24:27
Speaker 1: It's a movie. It's a scene. He's following the script.
24:34
Speaker 1: It's interesting. If you like pregame pep talks and locker
24:39
Speaker 1: room stuff, you'll love the Saban documentary because they got
24:42
Speaker 1: a lot of his pregame speeches to the team. He's
24:45
Speaker 1: saying the halftime to teams and postgame locker room celebrations
24:49
Speaker 1: are what he's telling his team postgame. You get a
24:51
Speaker 1: huge flavor of Nick Saban doing that. Bob Chesney is–
24:56
Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't see that guy and
24:57
Speaker 1: what he's done at UCLA in year one and think,
25:01
Speaker 1: this could be my Kurt Cignetti coming from James Madison.
25:06
Speaker 1: If you are a program out there that has the means–
25:11
Speaker 1: Florida State is not it, by the way. No. With
25:14
Speaker 1: the amount of financial problems they're having. They're not the one. But,
25:18
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who– Who would be the
25:22
Speaker 1: one that says, South Carolina may come open, right? Is
25:26
Speaker 1: that one that they just go all in?
25:28
Speaker 3: Wisconsin?
25:29
Speaker 1: Do you want to come coach in the SEC and
25:31
Speaker 1: not be a misfit in UCLA playing in the Big Ten?
25:34
Speaker 1: We know UCLA. I mean, he inherited a– we're joking
25:37
Speaker 1: about Florida State and their financial problems. UCLA has never
25:40
Speaker 1: been as bad or worse. It's why Chip Kelly left
25:43
Speaker 1: because they're sort of a joke of an athletic department
25:45
Speaker 1: and the way it's been run, they're ADs out. And
25:47
Speaker 1: he's come in and won immediately. I'm watching that speech.
25:51
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this guy is a star in college football coaching.
25:54
Speaker 1: People can laugh at that all they want and say
25:56
Speaker 1: he's performing. I would follow that guy. And you know
25:59
Speaker 1: what else? I'd follow his results already and what he
26:02
Speaker 1: did at JMU and now what he's doing at UCLA.
26:06
Speaker 1: He is going to be a great coaching hire for someone.
26:08
Speaker 1: He ain't staying at UCLA for long. I think this
26:10
Speaker 1: is my point with this. I don't see him getting
26:13
Speaker 1: locked up at UCLA. He's going to jump to a bigger–
26:16
Speaker 1: Better program very soon. The ACC would benefit from that
26:22
Speaker 1: and the Big 12 if they could lock him in.
26:24
Speaker 1: A huge deal. Or a coach like that. Because, you know,
26:29
Speaker 1: of course the SEC would be calling. But right now– Hey,
26:35
Speaker 1: what are Arkansas fans thinking? Oh, my goodness. Watching that
26:38
Speaker 1: right now. Hutton, have you seen the music video or
26:41
Speaker 1: the song that was written after the Tennessee-Arkansas game by
26:44
Speaker 1: an Arkansas fan?
26:44
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
26:45
Speaker 1: Coaching for the buyout. I can't get it up. The
26:48
Speaker 1: chorus in my head, it may be an AI-generated song,
26:52
Speaker 1: because you've done some of these before, but coaching for
26:54
Speaker 1: the buyout. And that's the chorus of it. But it's
26:57
Speaker 1: him punting with a minute 45 left down seven to Tennessee,
27:01
Speaker 1: and then the whole song is about that moment and
27:03
Speaker 1: how the coach is just coaching for the buyout at
27:05
Speaker 1: this point with Ryan Silverfield. But if you watch that
27:08
Speaker 1: and you're Arkansas, you're thinking, we couldn't outbid UCLA for
27:13
Speaker 1: this guy? Why don't we go hire this guy? Why
27:15
Speaker 1: did it have to go from Alex Golish to Ryan Silverfield?
27:19
Speaker 1: And you see results. When it could have been this
27:21
Speaker 1: guy that you hire. I mean, there's a lot of
27:22
Speaker 1: programs out there watching that and seeing UCLA and their
27:25
Speaker 1: results in year one. Now, we'll see how they do
27:27
Speaker 1: now because it looks like Nico's out for the year.
27:29
Speaker 1: He is.
27:30
Speaker 3: A quarterback.
27:31
Speaker 1: So it's probably not going to be great for UCLA
27:33
Speaker 1: moving forward. But still, I mean, going on the road,
27:35
Speaker 1: even with a backup quarterback, for Oregon and winning that
27:39
Speaker 1: game or getting that win. Just incredible stuff. Think about
27:43
Speaker 1: this for like Indiana year one, you know, like you
27:46
Speaker 1: mentioned with Signetti. The examples of getting instant results, it's
27:52
Speaker 1: becoming more and more likely. So when you don't see it,
27:57
Speaker 1: I think it needs to stand out more. Like we
28:01
Speaker 1: can tie an FSU with this. The fact that they've
28:03
Speaker 1: got all these buyouts is not my problem. I don't
28:06
Speaker 1: want to hear about that. if you want an affordable buyout,
28:11
Speaker 1: fire the guy who wrote that contract immediately. I don't
28:15
Speaker 1: want to hear this from universities that say they're crying
28:17
Speaker 1: poor when they set themselves up to pay a coach
28:20
Speaker 1: to fail. It makes zero sense. And it's not good business.
28:26
Speaker 3: It's stupid.
28:27
Speaker 1: So in that sense, stop doing it. Stop being dumb
28:31
Speaker 1: in terms of the contracts that are way in the
28:33
Speaker 1: coach's favor and not in the university's. If you're worried
28:36
Speaker 1: about underfunding a program, you're doing it. Not anyone else.
28:45
Speaker 1: It's not the coach's problem that you gave him the
28:48
Speaker 1: buyout of paper. Start looking in the mirror instead of
28:53
Speaker 1: releasing things to the media. You can't cry poor and
28:57
Speaker 1: cry circumstances when you're lying in the very grave you dug. Yes.
29:01
Speaker 1: For yourself with these contracts. They want to blame the
29:03
Speaker 1: ACC media. I'm totally with you. I do think a
29:05
Speaker 1: positive development is the SEC has passed that legislation within
29:08
Speaker 1: their conference that they're going to have uniform NIL deals
29:11
Speaker 1: and structures for players in their conference. That's going to
29:14
Speaker 1: be the same for every team, and then they're going
29:16
Speaker 1: to have some carve-outs for specific programs and what they
29:20
Speaker 1: can offer within those programs for NIL opportunities. I think
29:24
Speaker 1: that's smart to get more uniform. They're not saying that
29:27
Speaker 1: these players aren't going to make millions. They are. Some
29:29
Speaker 1: of them, and they're going to make a ton of money,
29:30
Speaker 1: but we're going to get where at least the language
29:33
Speaker 1: of the contract is similar in terms of eventually not
29:36
Speaker 1: transferring from SEC school to SEC school. Players and programs
29:41
Speaker 1: having a little more protection over guys they sign and pay.
29:44
Speaker 1: I think all that's good. It will say, I am
29:47
Speaker 1: not an employee. It's going to be in there too. Yes.
29:52
Speaker 1: That's been reported. Just regardless of that, you also want
29:56
Speaker 1: to get to where Now we've got a uniform structure
29:59
Speaker 1: in place for the players. Hey, SEC presidents and ADs,
30:03
Speaker 1: let's have a uniform structure in place where we don't
30:05
Speaker 1: have these insane buyouts for coaches who fail. If you
30:10
Speaker 1: do it, and then you do it, and then I
30:12
Speaker 1: do it, and then everyone in America does it and
30:15
Speaker 1: structures it this way, then you're not going to be
30:18
Speaker 1: tied to something that you can't get out of because
30:22
Speaker 1: you're worried about losing a coach. You know what else?
30:25
Speaker 1: That's got to be the next evolution of this, too.
30:27
Speaker 1: We're hitting the players now in everything of how we've
30:29
Speaker 1: got to structure that. We've got to structure the coaching
30:32
Speaker 1: side of this, too, where they can't bounce from one
30:34
Speaker 1: conference foe to another whenever they want. And where there's
30:37
Speaker 1: not this ridiculous buyout for losing. Also, though, if you
30:41
Speaker 1: can't compete with Alabama's offer, then don't compete with Alabama's offer.
30:45
Speaker 1: If you're mad and upset about the ACC media deal,
30:50
Speaker 1: then don't do business and get a coach that could
30:53
Speaker 1: go to Alabama but is using that as a race
30:56
Speaker 1: season for your media contract. Again, that's not my problem.
31:03
Speaker 1: That's not the SEC's fault. That's not the ACC's fault.
31:07
Speaker 1: That's your problem. You dug this grave. I don't feel
31:12
Speaker 1: sorry for MTSU if they can't make budget. They shouldn't
31:16
Speaker 1: have to play Tennessee.
31:17
Speaker 3: In order to do that.
31:19
Speaker 1: No. It's a business. We've been told for a while
31:23
Speaker 1: this is a business, and colleges are a business to
31:25
Speaker 1: an extent. You've got to be able to balance the
31:27
Speaker 1: books and make budget with your tuition and everything else.
31:30
Speaker 1: So if this is a business, which is what we're
31:33
Speaker 1: being told, then operate it like a business. And that
31:35
Speaker 1: may mean coaches making a little bit less and certainly
31:38
Speaker 1: making less in a buyout. And yeah, when I see
31:40
Speaker 1: the Florida State story and I see LSU and how
31:43
Speaker 1: much they're paying past coaches to walk away and how
31:46
Speaker 1: much they promised... Lane Kiffin, all that. It's like the
31:49
Speaker 1: Tim Robinson sketch where he's in the hot dog costume
31:52
Speaker 1: looking at the Wienermobile crash in the building and asking
31:55
Speaker 1: who did it and saying he's going to get to
31:57
Speaker 1: the bottom of it. That's college football. Those are the
32:00
Speaker 1: leaders of college football all looking around at each other saying, guys,
32:04
Speaker 1: this is a mess. Who did all this? Who caused
32:07
Speaker 1: these problems for us? I'm thinking it's you. It's the
32:10
Speaker 1: dudes in power. I feel the same way about Burke
32:12
Speaker 1: Nihill in the Titans. Like at some point, you're the
32:15
Speaker 1: dude in the hot dog costume. And you're asking, why
32:18
Speaker 1: is this going on and how did it happen? If
32:20
Speaker 1: you're asking that question, you're wearing the wiener outfit at
32:24
Speaker 1: that point. Chad, think about this from Florida State's perspective.
32:28
Speaker 1: There are four, right now, four current coaches who have
32:32
Speaker 1: won a national title. In terms of Alabama, if you're
32:39
Speaker 1: not going to pay the coach, if you're going to
32:40
Speaker 1: reduce the coaching salaries and you're going to reduce... players
32:44
Speaker 1: are going to cap that. Where's the money going if
32:46
Speaker 1: you're not going to distribute that back through the player
32:48
Speaker 1: and coach? And also the value of Saban to Alabama
32:53
Speaker 1: is huge. He was probably underpaid for what has happened
32:58
Speaker 1: to Alabama since he got there, right? So I understand
33:01
Speaker 1: that too. But I'm not cool with seeing what happens
33:06
Speaker 1: with Texas A & M, the $ 90 million or whatever
33:09
Speaker 1: it was. And that's where it's all askew. There should
33:13
Speaker 1: be bonuses, and then there should be less buyout money
33:17
Speaker 1: for failing, paid to fail. These guys are all upset
33:20
Speaker 1: about or worried about getting fired. Elko is mentioning Billy's cesspool,
33:26
Speaker 1: and he just signed a new deal. He signed an extension.
33:31
Speaker 1: Contracts should work always. This would be my point. Coaches
33:35
Speaker 1: and administrators, they want to get on, hey, these contracts
33:37
Speaker 1: don't mean anything. These NIL deals don't mean anything. Guys
33:40
Speaker 1: can bounce whenever they want. If you want contracts to
33:43
Speaker 1: be enforced with players, which is totally understandable, by the way.
33:47
Speaker 1: I would, too, if I were a coach or an administrator.
33:49
Speaker 1: I'd want them to play out their contract and do
33:52
Speaker 1: it the right way and give good effort and all that.
33:54
Speaker 1: It works for coaches, too. A contract should be a contract.
33:57
Speaker 1: That's the way it is in the NFL. You can't
33:59
Speaker 1: leave the Seattle Seahawks to go to the Los Angeles
34:01
Speaker 1: Rams because the Rams offered you more money. or they're
34:05
Speaker 1: sucking up to you more than your current job. Do
34:07
Speaker 1: you have a contract or do you not? If you
34:09
Speaker 1: want to play out your contract and let it end,
34:12
Speaker 1: then you can go anywhere that you would like. But
34:14
Speaker 1: this constant tease job of coaches saying, I might go
34:18
Speaker 1: here or this job might be interested, and the Jimmy
34:21
Speaker 1: Sexton and his crew getting involved, which I don't blame them.
34:24
Speaker 1: They're doing their job when they do this the way
34:26
Speaker 1: it's structured right now. It's got to work all ways.
34:29
Speaker 1: I want that player contract to be enforced and honored.
34:32
Speaker 1: And I want the coaches to honor their contracts. If
34:34
Speaker 1: you're signed, you can't leave. If you get fired because
34:37
Speaker 1: you suck or you did something stupid, then you could
34:40
Speaker 1: go get another job eventually. But until then, you are
34:43
Speaker 1: the employee of that school and that program, and you
34:47
Speaker 1: can't just up and leave because someone dangled a carrot
34:50
Speaker 1: in front of your face. The only worry I would
34:56
Speaker 1: have to concern as a coach is trying to make
34:58
Speaker 1: sure If I'm a Big Ten or an SEC team
35:02
Speaker 1: or coach, try to ensure that I am in the
35:04
Speaker 1: position whenever they go to the Super Conference if that's happening.
35:08
Speaker 1: Because you don't want to be on the outside looking in.
35:10
Speaker 1: You want to be in because you're going to get
35:12
Speaker 1: a huge bump in pay. But other than that, again,
35:17
Speaker 1: you're going to pay more up front for failing year
35:19
Speaker 1: by year. Brian Kelly's doing it. He had to actively
35:23
Speaker 1: look for a job to get paid. Okay. That's all
35:28
Speaker 1: it took. Meanwhile, we know the radio contracts. Those things
35:32
Speaker 1: lock you down where you can't do anything. Again, contracts
35:37
Speaker 1: need to be contracts. It goes all ways, not just
35:39
Speaker 1: for players. It needs to be a contract for a coach.
35:42
Speaker 1: And also, the Big Ten and SEC can help each
35:44
Speaker 1: other out here. If the SEC does this, where you
35:46
Speaker 1: can't leave for one conference school to the other, the
35:48
Speaker 1: Big Ten can make it where, hey, you can't leave
35:50
Speaker 1: for an SEC school. SEC, vice versa, can't leave for
35:52
Speaker 1: a Big Ten school also. And then suddenly, what have
35:55
Speaker 1: we done? We've created an NFL-like structure for the main
36:00
Speaker 1: programs in college football, which is where all of this
36:03
Speaker 1: probably needs to head at some point anyway. So you're
36:06
Speaker 1: getting to that level at that point where coaches can't
36:09
Speaker 1: up and leave whenever they want. Look, it's not going
36:12
Speaker 1: to stop fans and donors from wanting coaches fired for
36:16
Speaker 1: poor performance. Right, yeah. That's going to be a part
36:19
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not saying completely eliminate all buyout. If
36:22
Speaker 1: you're trying to do the right thing and they fire
36:24
Speaker 1: you before your contract's up, you can get a little
36:26
Speaker 1: bit of money, but it's the insane buyout numbers that
36:29
Speaker 1: we're seeing that lures coaches from one school to the
36:32
Speaker 1: next so they can leave a program and leave it
36:34
Speaker 1: behind and go somewhere else. That's what we've got to eliminate. Yep, absolutely.
36:38
Speaker 1: I've got a brainstorm with you right now, live. Would
36:43
Speaker 1: you be interested? I think this would be fun. If
36:47
Speaker 1: I brought forth a weekly deal where we learn why
36:53
Speaker 1: certain mascots are the mascot of a school. Why is
36:57
Speaker 1: Texas A & M Aggie? Why are the Tigers the
37:00
Speaker 1: mascot of LSU? I was looking this up last night.
37:04
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating. It's not what I, I didn't know
37:06
Speaker 1: anything about, I know what it's a volunteer, but the
37:09
Speaker 1: fight song and the, the mascot on all of these
37:11
Speaker 1: schools are the exact opposite of what I thought they
37:14
Speaker 1: were in, in like trying to get across for the,
37:18
Speaker 1: you know, the battle of whatever. I love any and
37:20
Speaker 1: all educational opportunities. And so I'm all for this. I
37:23
Speaker 1: love it. And if you watch the Saban documentary, this
37:26
Speaker 1: actually ties in because they ask him in the first episode,
37:29
Speaker 1: what is role tied me? And he says, I have
37:31
Speaker 1: no idea. And he just kind of looks at the
37:33
Speaker 1: interviewer and says, I'm being honest. I don't know. I
37:35
Speaker 1: guess the ocean waves coming in and rolling in and
37:40
Speaker 1: going over people, I don't know what Roll Tide means
37:43
Speaker 1: or where it comes from. Nick Saban had to admit that,
37:47
Speaker 1: which is great. So we can explain what Roll Tide
37:50
Speaker 1: means and where it comes from at some point. Boomer Sooner.
37:52
Speaker 1: You know, like those things. I don't know why I
37:55
Speaker 1: went down this rabbit hole last time, but I was like,
37:57
Speaker 1: that's what it means? Well, the biggest mystery to me
37:59
Speaker 1: is the War Eagle versus Auburn Tigers.
38:02
Speaker 3: Agreed.
38:02
Speaker 1: Deal that i just still even when auburn people explain
38:06
Speaker 1: it to me i'm like doesn't make any damn sense
38:09
Speaker 1: or like why why why the two mascots why you
38:13
Speaker 1: have the the hound for for uh tennessee why is
38:16
Speaker 1: the why is the collie the mascot or the dog
38:19
Speaker 1: for uh a and m i yeah the tennessee thing
38:22
Speaker 1: is their mat their mascot is the vols like it's
38:24
Speaker 1: in the rifleman is a human form They just happen
38:27
Speaker 1: to have a dog that wears Tennessee. It's a very
38:29
Speaker 1: specific dog. That's what I'm saying.
38:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
38:31
Speaker 1: The blue tech.
38:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
38:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But then you have the, the collie and they,
38:35
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there's, there's a meaning behind all that.
38:37
Speaker 1: That was for a long time. Again, it's just, I just,
38:41
Speaker 1: I never even thought about it. They just go along
38:43
Speaker 1: with the whole tradition of it. So I'm going to
38:45
Speaker 1: be fine. I think I did. It's the same way
38:47
Speaker 1: of the big 10 or anywhere. I have no idea
38:50
Speaker 1: why it's the blue Raiders. Right. No clue. Uh, Probably
38:55
Speaker 1: not a good reason. They won, by the way, Chad.
38:57
Speaker 1: They beat Delaware. They beat Delaware. I did watch a
39:00
Speaker 1: little bit of that. JT was at the game last night.
39:03
Speaker 1: JT went to the game. What was the attendance like, Jordan?
39:08
Speaker 3: I can send you guys some video if you'd like.
39:12
Speaker 4: I think I was one up about 150 folks there.
39:16
Speaker 1: JT, more or less people that are behind me at
39:19
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39:24
Speaker 1: I'm doing a visual demonstration. Is this what the crowd
39:27
Speaker 1: looked like on the 50-yard line like? yeah tuesday night.
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Speaker 4: Football it was pretty close to that yeah so um
39:34
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39:37
Speaker 4: they were like a one and a half point dog
39:38
Speaker 4: and covered so good for the blue raiders and derrick.
39:41
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39:51
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39:56
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39:57
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40:00
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40:04
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40:09
Speaker 1: It's really impressive. That's a post-up. That is a tailgate.
40:14
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40:18
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Speaker 1: The Utes are 6-0 against the spread in their last
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42:30
Speaker 1: They're going to win a bunch of games, but they're
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42:35
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42:39
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42:42
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42:45
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42:49
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43:16
Speaker 1: We've got momentum here. We need to have a bigger
43:19
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43:24
Speaker 1: Highly underwhelmed. Not a lot of progression from last year
43:27
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43:31
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43:34
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Speaker 4: 43.5 is the over-under for Kentucky-Oklahoma.
43:40
Speaker 3: Kind of low.
43:41
Speaker 4: I think typically these games fall between 50 and 60
43:44
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43:49
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43:55
Speaker 4: 30 points per game. Oklahoma's averaging 23 points per game.
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44:04
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44:07
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Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens, Clay. You know, I think
44:17
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44:19
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44:25
Speaker 1: I don't hate that pick at all, by the way.
44:28
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44:30
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44:32
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44:35
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44:37
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44:41
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45:14
Speaker 1: because it's not like Sark's going to bid you, okay?
45:19
Speaker 3: But... It's very average.
45:22
Speaker 1: To me, it's the difference between a championship and not
45:25
Speaker 1: right now. And that's got to be in the back
45:27
Speaker 1: of his mind with the rest of the team and
45:29
Speaker 1: the way they're performing. You know, watching the Saban documentary
45:34
Speaker 1: and him talking about the decision of bench Jalen Hurts
45:37
Speaker 1: at halftime.
45:38
Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen this.
45:39
Speaker 1: That national championship game until it comes in. It really
45:41
Speaker 1: is wild when you think back on it because that
45:44
Speaker 1: guy lost one game as a starting quarterback in two
45:47
Speaker 1: years at Alabama. And he was struggling. And it showed
45:50
Speaker 1: some of the misfires in the first half. And it
45:54
Speaker 1: gets the moment on camera where he tells Hurts and
45:57
Speaker 1: Tua that Tua's going in. And Hurts, you can tell,
46:00
Speaker 1: is angry. And he's just sitting there, not saying a word,
46:04
Speaker 1: looking forward, fuming in that moment, right? I say that
46:11
Speaker 1: to say, if it helps your team win, you've got
46:14
Speaker 1: to consider it. And I'm not saying they need to bitch.
46:17
Speaker 1: Arch Manning right now, but if Nick Saban was able,
46:20
Speaker 1: and Steve Sarkeesian was on that staff, if Nick Saban
46:23
Speaker 1: is able to bench Jalen Hurts, who had lost one
46:26
Speaker 1: football game in two years, and is now a Super
46:29
Speaker 1: Bowl winning quarterback, for Tua Tungvalu, because he had a
46:32
Speaker 1: feeling that that team and that offense needed a guy
46:35
Speaker 1: who was a quicker trigger guy with the football, and
46:37
Speaker 1: they did, and they ended up winning the game, then
46:41
Speaker 1: at some point Steve Sarkeesian maybe should think, is this
46:43
Speaker 1: the best option at quarterback based on what's going on
46:46
Speaker 1: right now. Again, I have not studied what Texas has
46:50
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings and all that, and I'm not
46:52
Speaker 1: saying they should bench him, but point being, if Nick
46:54
Speaker 1: Saban can do it with Jalen Hurts, anybody can be
46:57
Speaker 1: benched at any time. Any coach would do this, but
47:04
Speaker 1: this one just feels like he's going out of his
47:05
Speaker 1: way when he says if the name wasn't Manning, he
47:09
Speaker 1: wouldn't be considered this bad.
47:12
Speaker 3: I'm like, You would. Not us.
47:17
Speaker 1: That's my response to it. Sark would feel like this
47:20
Speaker 1: is underwhelming. By the way, Jalen Hurts, what a redemption
47:24
Speaker 1: story overall. He's great in the documentary, by the way.
47:28
Speaker 1: The embarrassing point of it, and then to go on
47:31
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl and be a starter for
47:33
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles and be better than Tua is ultimately
47:39
Speaker 1: the way you handle that adversity. Yeah, Heisman finalist at Oklahoma.
47:45
Speaker 3: It's a great story.
47:46
Speaker 1: He's awesome in the documentary too. If a guy doesn't
47:48
Speaker 1: say much in interviews or anything, he's really good on
47:50
Speaker 1: camera talking about Saban and Alabama. So how many episodes
47:55
Speaker 1: is this, Chad? And where do you put this in
47:59
Speaker 1: comparison to The Last Dance? Is it that in-depth? Is
48:02
Speaker 1: it that behind the scenes? Well, and I'm sure The
48:05
Speaker 1: Last Dance probably knocked off another documentary in this format,
48:08
Speaker 1: but they're the best example of The timeline look? Yes, yes. 1998,
48:15
Speaker 1: then 1978.
48:15
Speaker 2: Yes.
48:16
Speaker 1: So they do that throughout of Nick Saban's timeline going
48:19
Speaker 1: back and forth.
48:20
Speaker 3: Okay.
48:21
Speaker 1: The whole thing is about taking the Alabama job and
48:23
Speaker 1: the dynasty there, but it goes back and forth from
48:26
Speaker 1: his upbringing in Monongah, West Virginia, to his time as
48:30
Speaker 1: a player at Kent State, to his coaching career to
48:33
Speaker 1: Michigan State. The second episode is called Death Valley, and
48:37
Speaker 1: it's all about his time at LSU, and it's going
48:38
Speaker 1: back and forth with LSU and the decision to leave.
48:41
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins and all that. It's really well done.
48:44
Speaker 1: It's very Last Dance-like, not as good as the Last Dance. Yeah.
48:47
Speaker 1: I also love the America's Team, the Jerry Jones, Dallas
48:50
Speaker 1: Cowboys documentary was really good. But this one's very good.
48:54
Speaker 1: By the way, Arch Manning right now, I'm looking at
48:55
Speaker 1: a USA Today mock draft.
48:57
Speaker 2: Yes.
48:57
Speaker 1: They've got him as the third quarterback taken. They have
49:00
Speaker 1: Drew Mestemaker from Oklahoma State going to the Titans. They
49:04
Speaker 1: have Dante Moore going ahead of him to the Arizona Cardinals.
49:08
Speaker 1: And they have right now Arch Manning as the fifth
49:11
Speaker 1: overall pick to the New York Jets. Fifth overall? Seems hot.
49:17
Speaker 1: That's based on the.
49:21
Speaker 1: That's based on the name, right? His teammates, Colin Simmons,
49:26
Speaker 1: is number three overall in the draft, and Cam Coleman,
49:28
Speaker 1: his wide receiver, going seventh overall to the New York Giants.
49:32
Speaker 1: So three top ten picks on Texas' team currently, according
49:36
Speaker 1: to this mock draft I'm looking at. Chad, which mock
49:41
Speaker 1: draft is that? It's a USA Today mock draft. I'm
49:44
Speaker 1: trying to see who actually did it.
49:45
Speaker 3: Okay.
49:46
Speaker 1: That's interesting because of the Cam Ward sentiment nationally. It's like, oh,
49:51
Speaker 1: give Cam Ward some time. Give Cam Ward some time.
49:53
Speaker 1: It's like, why does he need the season? Well, it's
49:57
Speaker 1: solid saying the season, but he says he's going to
49:59
Speaker 1: get this season. He stumbles over his words post-game. He's like,
50:04
Speaker 1: he's going to have some time to get this season.
50:07
Speaker 3: And I.
50:08
Speaker 1: I think they're reading into that the same way. It's like, okay,
50:11
Speaker 1: he's going to run out the schedule, and who knows
50:14
Speaker 1: if the head coach is still going to be here.
50:15
Speaker 1: Who knows if Brian Dable is going to be here.
50:17
Speaker 1: But what we do know is this isn't an NFL
50:19
Speaker 1: starting quarterback for the Tennessee Titans next year based on
50:23
Speaker 1: the way he's played. I mean, is he really going–
50:26
Speaker 1: those that think he's going to turn things around, it
50:29
Speaker 1: won't be here because he's going to have to do
50:32
Speaker 1: that 12 games. We've seen all these other performances. Are
50:36
Speaker 1: we going to see all of a sudden just the
50:37
Speaker 1: light turn on and he's going to be completing 70%
50:41
Speaker 1: of his passes randomly? He's going to turn into Josh
50:43
Speaker 1: Allen in 12 games? I'm looking at CBS Sports mock
50:46
Speaker 1: drafts right now. Two different ones, okay? Ryan Wilson does
50:50
Speaker 1: not have Arch Manning in the first round at all. Quarterbacks,
50:54
Speaker 1: first one off the board, he's got Darian Mensah going
50:57
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. He's got Trinidad Chambliss going to the Jets.
51:00
Speaker 1: He's got Dante Moore going to the Falcons. He does
51:04
Speaker 1: not have– Jade Maiava– 20th overall going to USC. He
51:08
Speaker 1: does not have Julian Sane going 31st to the Browns.
51:13
Speaker 1: He does not have Arch Manning in the first round. Now,
51:15
Speaker 1: Mike Renner, our guy we've had on before, he's the
51:18
Speaker 1: next mock draft currently at CBS Sports. He's got Arch
51:21
Speaker 1: Manning going second to the Cardinals. So some various thoughts
51:27
Speaker 1: on Arch Manning and where he's going to end up
51:29
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Renner's actually watching college football. So we've
51:33
Speaker 1: had him on. I don't know about the other guy.
51:34
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he doesn't watch. I don't know any
51:36
Speaker 1: of these guys. Ryan Wilson, Josh Edwards. Josh Edwards, the
51:39
Speaker 1: next guy, has got Arch Manning going first to the
51:41
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins overall and Dante Moore going second. These guys
51:44
Speaker 1: are actually thinking that the Titans are going to win.
51:48
Speaker 1: Right now, the Titans have the number one overall pick currently. Yeah,
51:51
Speaker 1: no one's giving the Titans the first pick. That one
51:54
Speaker 1: guy's got them fifth. They're second in one. They're third
51:56
Speaker 1: in another. I'm like, well, that's a lot of faith
51:58
Speaker 1: in this team that they're not going to end up
52:00
Speaker 1: with the number one overall pick.
52:01
Speaker 3: I don't... I mean, they.
52:02
Speaker 1: They have yardage and points in garbage time. All three
52:06
Speaker 1: of Cam Ward's touchdown passes this year have been in
52:08
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Everything that I see, for the most part,
52:13
Speaker 1: is Colin Simmons or Jeremiah Smith, number one overall, which
52:19
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yes. Hey, reminder, on Friday, you can join
52:24
Speaker 1: us at Wagon Wheel, 815 Eastern. Live show, Dixieland Delight,
52:29
Speaker 1: Friday night. Looking forward to being back in Knoxville, being
52:33
Speaker 1: in Chad's second hometown. It's 815 Eastern Knoxville, Wagon Wheel,
52:37
Speaker 1: if you're in the area. Swing by, say hello. Going
52:40
Speaker 1: to be a great show. Dixieland Delight, Friday night. Can't
52:43
Speaker 1: wait to get back on that, Chad. Can't wait, man.
52:46
Speaker 1: It's going to be a blast. Bring your hoodie this weekend, too.
52:50
Speaker 1: It's going to be quite chilly in Knoxville. Football weather
52:53
Speaker 1: has arrived. Yeah, like 65 or something. It's going to
52:55
Speaker 1: be like upper 40s at night. into the 50s. So
52:59
Speaker 1: it's going to be nice fall weather. It's going to
53:02
Speaker 1: be crisp, cool. It's going to look great on the
53:04
Speaker 1: field with both teams wearing their home uniforms. Can't wait
53:06
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