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Sinners Crushed at the Oscars - Xenomania 67 · Xenomania

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  Jon: This week on Xenomania, join us as we travel to the Mississippi Delta to
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  explore the woven world of Ryan Kugler's Sinners Along the way, find out which two
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  of us think Michael B. Jordan is amazing.
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  This is sinners and we are a sinful xenomania.
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  Kearns: Something about a movie with that southern music.
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  I think that's what kicked this one up.
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  I mean, is that what this is?
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  Is it blues?
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  Is it fusion?
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  Jon: It is definitely it.
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  I mean, it turns into fusion, but it starts out as pure blues and like that
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  scene is just incredible the way they meld the blues into every single music form
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  that's sprung from the blues afterwards.
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  And it's every single thing you listened to today was
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  influenced by a blues musician.
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  Ryan: a hundred percent
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  Kearns: That's
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  Jon: even,
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  Kearns: whole
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  Ryan: sure.
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  Jon: even earlier than this, even earlier than 1933, when Sinners takes
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  place, it They blues starts early 19 hundreds, late 18 hundreds, and everything
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  you listen to now is based on that.
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  Kearns: I mean.
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  It kicks the movie up a notch for sure.
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  One of the
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  Jon: Mm.
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  Kearns: what's the name of the kid?
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  Because he's an actual singer, the kid in the movie, right?
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  Jon: The actor is Miles Katten.
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  The Char character is Sammy.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Sammy's got chops.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: that at the Oscars too.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I, I like, I'm sure that's a recorded performance at the Oscars, but you
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  don't, to see somebody that young with that voice is almost unnerving.
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  Like you don't get that voice at, he's like 21 years old.
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  You don't get that voice at that age.
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  Kearns: Uh, there's people out there who would say it's not his first time
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  around the block, you know, it's, he's been around a few lifetimes.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And that, that, that's 20 years of hard living before you have that voice.
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  Kearns: It's possible, by the way.
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  Ryan: it's not only the voice, but it's also how he picks the guitar.
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  'cause
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: a pick.
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  He's using his fingers.
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  And if you've ever like picked at a guitar with your fingers, those wires
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  will cut you if you do it correctly.
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  Especially bass wires.
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  So him picking at it in those scenes, especially driving with stacks, what?
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  Kearns: Incorrectly or correctly, you wanna bleed?
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  I
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  Ryan: no, no.
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  Like you don't want, I mean, correctly when you start bleeding,
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  you're doing it correctly,
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  Jon: I mean, kind of.
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  Yeah.
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  Ryan: but it hurts, like, I mean, it's like you're pulling the strings on and
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  he does it I mean, just impressive along with the deep voice as you're saying.
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  Jon: So if you watch the extras on the physical release
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  Kearns: Of sinners.
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  The
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  Jon: of Sinners, the movie that we're discussing, sinners, sinners, sinners,
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  he learned to play guitar for this movie.
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  This was not, yes.
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  This was not something he had before this movie.
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  Ryan: Wow.
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  Kearns: Is that a Rooter?
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  Hold on, pause.
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  The show.
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  Jon: It is a rupi.
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  Ryan: root
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  Kearns: You're having an a and w Rooter right now.
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: Oh my God, I've never been so envious of anything.
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  Jon: Don't get too Envi.
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  Zero sugar.
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  Ryan: No, those
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  Kearns: Oh, they're so good, dude.
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  Ryan: They're still
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  Jon: Pretty good.
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  Kearns: What's better?
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  What, Ryan, are you gonna compare?
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  Uh, root Beer Brands?
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  Ryan: Root beer or cream soda.
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  Kearns: Root
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  Jon: Root beer.
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  Ryan: Really?
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  Kearns: A
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  Jon: Root beer.
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  Ryan: Alright.
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  All
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: Stewards or a and w?
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  Ryan: A and w.
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  Jon: I have to say NW because I don't think Stewarts has a zero
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  sugar and I can't do the sugar.
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  Kearns: Oh, right.
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  Ryan: How about
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  Kearns: I,
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  Ryan: Oh, no.
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  Oh,
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  Jon: No
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  Ryan: no,
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  Jon: mug.
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  Mugs not there.
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  Kearns: They're the
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  Jon: Mark isn't there.
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  Kearns: Beer.
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  Ryan: whoa, bark.
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  Barks is good.
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  Kearns: It doesn't have bite.
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  Jon: Barks isn't a and w.
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  Kearns: If you wanna have a real good one, though, it's not root
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  beer, but it's Red Birch beer.
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  You go to, uh, salsa Fresca and get the Red Birch beer.
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  Yeah, that's a,
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  Ryan: good.
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  Kearns: a vibe, man.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Now we're talking.
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  Kearns: Your feet start tingling with the, uh, pre-diabetes when you drink it.
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  It's so good.
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  Ryan: the diabetes,
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  diabetes
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  Kearns: All right.
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  I guess back to sinners, I
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  Jon: Back to sinners.
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  But, so not only that, the other real solid musical performance
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  in this is Pearl when she sings right before, she's not a singer.
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  She basically learned to do that during rehearsals for the movie too.
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  Ryan: so
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  Kearns: very impressive.
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  Ryan: everyone's on the fly.
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  I feel.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  I mean, like, the guy that plays Sammy is an actual r and b
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  singer, so the singing is real.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: But beyond that, like he's, they all learned to do this stuff on the fly.
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  Kearns: That is crazy.
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  I'm sure they had a lot of good coaches and stuff
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: sat in a garage and just figured this out, but that's
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  still really, really cool.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: On a 90 to a hundred million dollars budget.
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  We're all working on the fly here,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  I mean.
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  Ryan: 370.1 million, so I mean it worked.
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  Jon: But this is really what Ryan Coogler did like for the authenticity of, a period
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  piece in 1933, deep South Mississippi Delta, for a guy born in New Zealand to
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  come and be able to infuse the history, the American history he puts into this.
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  We, will get into at some point the black movie versus what this really
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  is, which is an American movie.
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Jon: But for a guy who didn't grow up in this culture, to come here and
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  be able to pull off the historical elements of this is really impressive.
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  He has to have spent a lot of time on that.
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  Kearns: Oh yeah,
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  Jon: And like I, can go into it.
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  I mean, like, you start in the heart of the Great Depression,
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Jon: you know, so
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  Kearns: time.
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  People enjoyed themselves,
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  Jon: Oh yeah, absolutely.
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  Anytime.
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  Anytime.
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  Kearns: Americans.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  the beginning of sinners we're already four years in a depression.
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  that really in Mississippi had started even before what, you know, the lay
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  people will say the stock market crash started, the Great Depression.
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  Now that's just whatever.
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  But really it's 2, 3, 4 years before that.
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  There's flooding, there's boll weevils, there's, you know, the
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  disparity in economics between.
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  Poor and wealthy landowners.
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  And then the disparity between black and white.
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  by the time this movie starts, cotton is selling for a nickel a pound.
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  Kearns: Wow.
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  Ryan: That's
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  Jon: So you're working out in that field all day
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  Kearns: For a
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  Jon: for a nickel.
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  Kearns: Yeah, that's wild.
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  Ryan: The proportions on receiving money at that time is very, very off,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: also like, I mean, it's where it's located too.
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  Kearns: yeah, in Mississippi.
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  So the thing too, well, I mean, national demand is national demand.
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  So what they're paying for a bag of cotton isn't necessarily what they're
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  making for selling it, they're there.
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  So the, that brings up a good opportunity for us to talk about sort of the
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  reappropriation of slavery, is, you know, not something people love to
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  talk about too much, but once slavery is abolished, then Jim Crow comes,
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  the apprenticeship programs come and it's just slavery with new steps
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah, I,
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  Kearns: down, like them down the freed.
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  Jon: yeah, because you get into sharecropping, that's, you're just low
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  paid slaves at that point in a. Cycle of poverty, you're never getting out of it.
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  whether it's depression or whether it's what you have to pay to the
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  landowner to continue to be there.
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  You're not.
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  And then to add that to, that you're not, most of the time you're
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  not getting paid in US currency.
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: you're getting paid in these plantation scripts or wooden nickels,
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  which becomes a very important plot point too, when smoke and stack realize
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  we're not making money, we're losing money tonight because all these people
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  have to pay with is wooden nickels.
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  Kearns: it's just kinda wild.
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  Jon: And really there, there were two places you could use wooden nickels
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  at in the South at that point in time.
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  You could use them at a black owned business or you could use
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  them at the plantation store.
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  So, you know, you have money, but it's worthless.
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  You have land, but it's not really yours.
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  And then you
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  Kearns: at all.
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  Jon: Yeah, and then you add in, a moment where they drive past the prison work
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  gang, and that, I mean, at that point, that's just straight out slavery.
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  Kearns: yeah.
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  But they throw you in, you're fully
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Kearns: I mean, we could talk about private prisons like now,
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  Jon: yeah.
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  I mean, exactly.
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  It's,
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  Kearns: that,
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  Jon: yeah.
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  Kearns: too, but
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  Jon: But I mean, at least at this point, there are a few greater
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  protections for people at the time.
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  Sinners is set.
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  They're just, I mean.
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  You looked at somebody wrong.
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  You just, you know, you're arrested for being black
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Jon: and then,
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  Kearns: like that's not even getting into sundown towns and
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  Jon: yeah.
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  Kearns: too.
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  Like we're just getting into the systemic stuff, not even the horrible
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  beatings and lynchings and whatnot.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: It's, I mean, ain't February, but I feel like
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  Sinners winning made it a Redux
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Month.
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  Just to kind of remember what this was like for them.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I mean, Cougar really finds all this stuff and makes it important to the story,
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  and he does, he uses these historical elements to advance what he's doing here.
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  Ryan: Yeah, it definitely highlights his screenwriting ability, especially
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: every beat of the story flows nicely with the history that he's presenting.
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  And it's not only like the history of Mississippi, we're also getting into
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  like the culture going on in Chicago.
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  'cause that's where smoke and Stack are coming from.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: I, they join like the opposite mobs, stack with the Italian mop, uh,
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  smoke with the Irish mop, you kind of see their mentality, which is nice.
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  And you're talking about that scene with the money.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: that time, I feel like with prohibition and everything going
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  on, Elliot Nest, the Untouchables, Stack kind of goes with the flow.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: while with the Irish mob, they were a little more, uh, more aggressive
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  is, I would say, would be a good word to
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: They were less civilized.
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  Ryan: yes.
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  And smoke.
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  Smoke is like, I don't wanna accept this money.
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  Really?
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  stack is the more sort of socially conscious one in that regard.
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  he understands the value of having a juke joint.
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  But if you want to circle back to prohibition, we think a prohibition
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  starting at one time in Mississippi, prohibition started in 1907.
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  Kearns: Whoa.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: not know that
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  Jon: and did not officially end until 1966.
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  Ryan: why so early?
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  Jon: Religion, I mean, religion, Mississippi, but also if you want to
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  get into the racial elements of this, many prohibition advocates believe
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  that selling alcohol to African Americans would increase attacks on
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  white women and reduce productivity.
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  Kearns: Reduced productivity is wild.
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  I mean,
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: on white women aspect is 'cause they're dumb yokels,
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  Ryan: too.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: it's, any man
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: of attacking a woman, but the, reduced productivity is
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  literally like slave owner talk.
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  Jon: Uhhuh.
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: meanwhile, while it, even though it's prohibited in
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  Mississippi from 1907, there's a 10% tax on illegal alcohol sales.
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  So the government's still getting their cut
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Which hilarious.
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  Jon: and their cut is insane.
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  I found a couple of conversions into modern money.
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  a gallon of moonshine sold for $25.
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  Back then, that would be 325 to $400 today.
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  Ryan: I
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  Kearns: Well, imagine how far you can, you can spread that gallon out
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: that
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  Jon: You'd have to,
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  Kearns: earn your
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  Jon: have that, I mean that the, these are the, the beer prices up 700% Brandy, 400%.
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  Kearns: the same thing everybody.
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  The argument was that when they legalized cannabis, it would
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  drive down the prices of drugs
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: black market, the drugs are gonna be more expensive, but then
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  they just tax the hell out of 'em and made 'em twice as expensive as
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  they were when they were illegal.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: you know, somebody's robbing you either way.
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  I.
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  Ryan: Oh, the government's definitely cleaning up on that, and you
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  Jon: Oh, absolutely.
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  Ryan: Yeah, I mean like the taxes for that is incredibly high.
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  I mean, maybe it had in connection lowering like the house taxes, but house
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  Kearns: I don't see, uh, my house taxes aren't lower.
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  Jon: No, not nothing got lower.
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  And basically prohibition, created the Capones and the Irish mobs
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  in Chicago and everywhere else, because that was the first vice.
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  That was the vice that they were really peddling at that point.
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  You didn't have the drug sales that you have now.
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  You didn't, you know, prostitution and alcohol.
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  Kearns: Yep.
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  Ryan: I mean, what would say out in the west, you had the
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  opium dent and stuff, but
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Ryan: wasn't like a go-to go-to.
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  It was
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  Jon: yeah.
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  Ryan: that was more controlled and
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  Jon: Well, yeah.
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  You had the opium dens because of the Asian populations.
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: they brought that with them to a place that didn't really want
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  them any more than Mississippi wanted free black people.
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  Kearns: people gloss over what happened to the Chinese in this
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: when they built the
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  Jon: Yep,
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  Kearns: they were murdered.
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  And mass often train
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  Jon: yep.
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  Kearns: actually
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: scene.
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  Great scene.
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  Another movie, another good movie did, pretty badly at the Oscars.
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  Jon: Which is why you wind up with the chow family in Mississippi.
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  You get what seems like a random Chinese family there, but they came
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  in the post-slavery era because they needed workers, plantation workers.
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  So the Chinese came and found, oh, we don't really like this plantation stuff.
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  Uh, we have enough money.
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  Let's open some stores in town.
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  So there were a lot of Chinese owned businesses in the Mississippi
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  Delta in this time period.
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  Ryan: Which I found interesting that the segregation did not count
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  for them like they were able to.
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  Jon: No, no, because they were just as hated as, blacks were, as anybody
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  else was who wasn't a white person.
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  Kearns: Yeah, the Blue Bloods were the only ones who considered
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  themselves real Americans.
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  They were the slave owners too.
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  If you were in the south, that is, or the north for that
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: People
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  Jon: mean,
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  Kearns: that.
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  It wasn't
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  Jon: well.
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  Kearns: was a line and everybody was happy with black people being free.
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  Jon: Yeah, well that sort of goes into smoke and stack, and then
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  eventually Sammy going to Chicago.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: That's, the great migration.
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  This is, you know, freed slaves moving north to try to escape Jim Crow
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  and find better paying jobs and get away from the violence in the south.
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  Only to get two cities like Chicago and find, yeah, there's jobs,
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  but they don't like us anymore than they did in the South.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  Kearns: then when they go back to the South and Sinners, it's like they're
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  reclaiming their culture, which is a
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  Jon: Yes,
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  Kearns: of the movie.
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  I think they pulled off very well
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  Jon: very well.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: not Bluegrass, I'm sorry, blues.
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  Yeah, blues.
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  Whereas Bluegrass is the white version, the white version of it.
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  But Blues
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  Jon: We get, a really good bluegrass performance in this too.
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  Ryan: You do.
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  Kearns: That's, that is true.
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  We do see some interesting things from the evil vampires
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  Ryan: Remic,
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  Kearns: karmic.
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  we don't have to roll through the plot.
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  If you haven't seen sinners go see it.
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  so the fun really starts to kick off.
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  They don't, shy away from taking the time to develop the story.
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  Jon: not at all.
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  Kearns: And so it's a slow burn.
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  and not in a bad way
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  Jon: This, this, it's about an hour.
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  Kearns: yeah, about one hour before the things start to pop
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  It's not a horror movie until about an hour in.
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  Kearns: Dust till dawn.
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  Ryan: actually I have a question about that.
• 17:04
  Do you think it's in the vibe of like the silence of the lamps?
• 17:07
  like people think it's horror.
• 17:09
  Everyone, you know, we think it's drama.
• 17:11
  People mix it rewatching sinners for a second time, I felt it was
• 17:16
  more of a drama, like yeah, you have horror elements, but it's
• 17:19
  more, I would say, drama thriller with that vampire esque to it.
• 17:24
  Kearns: It is difficult to rationalize for me with the gore and stuff, silence of
• 17:28
  the Lambs wasn't a particularly gory film.
• 17:31
  It did have some gore, the face and things like that.
• 17:34
  But I think it's easier to make the argument for a movie like Silence
• 17:37
  of the Lambs not being horror like John does very effectively.
• 17:41
  Then Sinners.
• 17:42
  'cause it's just like, we talked about this with From Dust Till
• 17:45
  Dawn, which I brought up earlier.
• 17:46
  There's parallels there to the movie switching.
• 17:48
  There's a switch that's flipped at one point.
• 17:51
  does become horror later, and in the beginning it's, it is
• 17:54
  sort of like a period piece.
• 17:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:57
  Kearns: A
• 17:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Kearns: Rouge with vibrant colors
• 18:00
  Jon: Yes.
• 18:00
  Absolutely.
• 18:01
  Absolutely.
• 18:02
  So in bringing up Silence of the Lambs, this seems like a good
• 18:06
  time to transition to our game
• 18:09
  Ryan: Oh,
• 18:10
  Kearns: we'd play games.
• 18:11
  Jon: I'll tell you what it is, because it, it requires some form of explanation.
• 18:16
  there are, and I, across the internet they only credit there
• 18:20
  being eight horror movies that were nominated for Academy Awards ever.
• 18:28
  It's really, nine because for some reason the lists don't include Frankenstein.
• 18:34
  And I, you know, I wanted to, to believe that that was a result of, you know, them
• 18:39
  being published before the nominations this year, but sinners on them.
• 18:43
  So I'm gonna say there are nine.
• 18:45
  We're gonna do a slasher stash of the nine movies that are considered to be
• 18:51
  horror movies that were nominated for.
• 18:54
  Best picture.
• 18:56
  Kearns: Okay.
• 18:56
  Ryan: Okay.
• 18:57
  Jon: You, you're going to get to Stash four of nine.
• 19:03
  So four STEs, five slashes.
• 19:07
  Ryan: wait.
• 19:08
  Four STEs, five slashes
• 19:10
  Jon: Yep.
• 19:10
  Ryan: has a relation to my top five.
• 19:12
  Funny enough, later tonight.
• 19:14
  Kearns: And he brings out, get out for number
• 19:16
  Jon: Get out.
• 19:17
  I mean it, this is gonna be brutal.
• 19:19
  I'm telling you right now to bring this down to four is, this is probably
• 19:25
  the meanest game I've ever pulled.
• 19:27
  Kearns: Ooh, that's
• 19:28
  Ryan: you,
• 19:29
  Kearns: I,
• 19:29
  Ryan: you have the top nine and you know, doing read on this, I'm gonna slash this.
• 19:36
  a great film, but you're, you got some stuff in the bag
• 19:40
  that I don't want to slash
• 19:42
  Kearns: it is difficult for me to slash this 'cause I'm not a racist.
• 19:47
  Um, oh, I, uh, no, no jabs being thrown.
• 19:55
  Jon: That was,
• 19:55
  Ryan: that
• 19:55
  Jon: that was the subtlest of jabs right there, sir.
• 19:59
  Ryan: That was a right hook.
• 20:01
  Kearns: kidding.
• 20:01
  It has nothing to do with race.
• 20:03
  I, enjoyed this movie because of the body Snatcher vibes.
• 20:05
  I thought that Twist was super duper cool.
• 20:08
  I'm gonna stash it.
• 20:09
  I don't know.
• 20:10
  It came out at the right time too.
• 20:11
  It was kind of a breath of
• 20:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:13
  Kearns: not a huge fan that, of the fact that Jordan Peele
• 20:15
  sticks to the same script.
• 20:17
  like M Knight Shaalan did with the Sixth Sense, like this is the first of them.
• 20:21
  And I mean, this one was really good.
• 20:24
  So I'm gonna stash it.
• 20:25
  Jon: Okay.
• 20:26
  Yeah,
• 20:26
  Ryan: you think he, 'cause he was nominated for an Oscar.
• 20:29
  Do you think he deserved to win it?
• 20:31
  Uh, Daniel Klu?
• 20:34
  Kearns: no,
• 20:35
  Jon: I don't remember who was nominated that year.
• 20:37
  Kearns: yeah, let's
• 20:37
  Jon: I don't remember who won.
• 20:39
  Ryan: it was the, uh, 90th, uh, the 90th Academy Awards,
• 20:44
  which was, oh, get out was 2014.
• 20:49
  Kearns: Oh God.
• 20:51
  was up against, oh, Fred Hampton, Judas and the Black Messiah one.
• 20:56
  No wait.
• 20:58
  Oh no.
• 20:58
  He won for Best Supporting Actor in Judas and the Black Messiah.
• 21:01
  So the Google search did nothing for me.
• 21:04
  Basically, it just gave me what he won.
• 21:07
  Hooray.
• 21:10
  2014 Oscars.
• 21:11
  Was that it?
• 21:13
  Ryan: Yes.
• 21:13
  90th, uh, 90th Oscars.
• 21:16
  Kearns: All right, so who was, but this wasn't an amazing performance.
• 21:19
  Like he, cried.
• 21:20
  There was a tear here.
• 21:23
  Ryan: Let's see.
• 21:25
  Kearns: Um,
• 21:26
  Ryan: shocked.
• 21:27
  That was the year Al Del Toro one too.
• 21:29
  Kearns: Gary Oldman won for Darkest Hour this year.
• 21:31
  No shot bro.
• 21:34
  Jon: It is.
• 21:35
  Okay,
• 21:35
  Ryan: Uh, okay.
• 21:36
  Kearns: No shot.
• 21:38
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  And Denzel Washington was up too.
• 21:40
  Not a chance bro.
• 21:43
  Jon: this,
• 21:43
  Ryan: up.
• 21:44
  Jon: that now
• 21:45
  Kearns: Daniel Day Lewis, Gary Oldman and Denzel Washington.
• 21:49
  This kid never had a shot.
• 21:51
  Jon: that's a rough year to be nominated.
• 21:53
  Kearns: Yeah, bro.
• 21:54
  Daniel Day Lewis being in the same like hearing your name and his name
• 21:58
  in the same sentence must feel so
• 22:00
  Jon: That's a, that's a tough one.
• 22:04
  Kearns: Yep.
• 22:04
  So, but even still, like, I don't think that his performance
• 22:08
  was, best actor worthy.
• 22:09
  I think it was a great movie and he did a good job.
• 22:12
  I mean, Gary Oldman won it for playing Winston Churchill.
• 22:17
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:17
  Ryan: fair.
• 22:19
  Jon: And like that's kind of like right into the academy, like, oh, historical
• 22:24
  performance or this guy in a horror movie.
• 22:27
  Kearns: Yep, exactly.
• 22:29
  Ryan: Well, he kicked ass still
• 22:30
  Jon: Oh.
• 22:31
  I mean, it's, it's a great performance.
• 22:33
  Kearns: Then why don't you stash the film?
• 22:35
  Jon: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Ryan: because
• 22:36
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 22:36
  Ryan: know, I know.
• 22:37
  There's more coming.
• 22:38
  Kearns: know.
• 22:38
  So it's listeners, Ryan doesn't have tiki torches in his garage.
• 22:43
  What the problem is, is that he knows John's evil and that I'm probably
• 22:46
  gonna regret stashing get out.
• 22:48
  But
• 22:48
  Jon: I mean, at some point, I think you're both gonna run into a problem.
• 22:52
  Movie number two.
• 22:55
  Kearns: the make out movie.
• 22:58
  Ryan: I've only seen the one scene with their transformation,
• 23:00
  so I'm gonna slash it.
• 23:01
  Kearns: I can't tell the story about Black Swan that I wanna tell because
• 23:04
  it involves people that we can't mention on the podcast unfortunately.
• 23:09
  But suffice to say, this movie has had a very drastic impact on our
• 23:13
  lives and involves like a detective story and trying to figure out
• 23:17
  who done it in all sorts of stuff.
• 23:18
  And I'm not even talking about the film, I'm just talking about what
• 23:21
  we have to do to deal with a YouTube clip of this film wherein Natalie
• 23:26
  Portman makes out with Mila Kunis.
• 23:28
  Ryan: Yep.
• 23:30
  Yep.
• 23:31
  Kearns: Oh Lord, black Swan.
• 23:33
  I'm, slashing it just for that actually hours of my life gone
• 23:38
  because of this damn movie.
• 23:40
  Ryan: Didn't even watch the full thing.
• 23:43
  Kearns: I like this movie.
• 23:44
  It was, good and it was unique.
• 23:47
  Also a nice twist,
• 23:50
  Jon: Yeah, it's, a fine movie.
• 23:52
  I don't consider it to be a horror movie, but it's a fine movie.
• 23:54
  Kearns: I don't think it's a horror movie either.
• 23:56
  Jon: Alright.
• 23:57
  Ryan: it?
• 23:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 23:58
  I mean, that's why it's here.
• 23:59
  Kearns: It's a
• 24:00
  Jon: This is on, it's on every list of horror movies
• 24:03
  nominated for Academy Awards.
• 24:05
  Ryan: I don't agree with that.
• 24:06
  Jon: I don't either, but here it is.
• 24:09
  movie number three.
• 24:11
  Ryan: Ooh,
• 24:11
  Kearns: Stash,
• 24:12
  Ryan: Stash.
• 24:14
  Jon: I knew,
• 24:15
  Kearns: it twice.
• 24:16
  Jon: I knew that one was gonna get the double St.
• 24:19
  Ryan: It's
• 24:19
  Kearns: mean it still holds up.
• 24:21
  I've watched it four times now.
• 24:23
  Ryan: Are you
• 24:23
  Kearns: Four.
• 24:23
  It's so good.
• 24:25
  Ryan: is the Criterion collect the collection?
• 24:27
  Uh, edition's gonna have a longer cut.
• 24:30
  Are you that up?
• 24:31
  Kearns: I might have to, that might be my first criterion too,
• 24:35
  Ryan: Oh,
• 24:36
  Kearns: my first physical copy of anything other than a video
• 24:38
  game in probably 25, 30 years,
• 24:41
  Ryan: While you're doing it right for Mr.
• 24:43
  Kearns: actually no 20 years.
• 24:44
  I have a whole like little Rolodex thing downstairs with 250 DVDs in it.
• 24:50
  Not like John John's a purist.
• 24:52
  He keeps them in the case and all that.
• 24:53
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 24:55
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Jon: The cases are art themselves.
• 24:57
  Kearns: I still have Con Air.
• 24:59
  Jon: I can, I can't wait to show you guys the version of Poltergeist I just bought.
• 25:03
  Kearns: Oh, sick
• 25:05
  Ryan: ready.
• 25:06
  Jon: It's not in yet, but
• 25:07
  Ryan: Oh,
• 25:08
  Jon: when it comes in, oh my God.
• 25:11
  Ryan: I can only imagine.
• 25:13
  Jon: looks amazing.
• 25:13
  All right.
• 25:14
  Movie number four.
• 25:15
  Kearns: Frankenstein.
• 25:16
  Oh, I gotta stash it, dude.
• 25:19
  How do you cut jaws?
• 25:21
  We can stash four.
• 25:22
  This'll be my third year.
• 25:23
  Second,
• 25:24
  Ryan: Four.
• 25:25
  Kearns: uh,
• 25:26
  Ryan: And
• 25:26
  Kearns: you, I, and I do, I would consider Jaws a horror movie as well.
• 25:32
  If not just for like, fact that it's impossible to watch it.
• 25:36
  Politicians like feeding people to the Meek.
• 25:38
  Grindr,
• 25:39
  Ryan: Uh, yeah, I'll stash it.
• 25:42
  Kearns: I have to stash at its jaws.
• 25:44
  Ryan: Jaws.
• 25:45
  Kearns: I'm angry.
• 25:46
  Did this didn't win, did it?
• 25:48
  Jon: Nope.
• 25:49
  Ryan: No.
• 25:49
  Jon: No, no.
• 25:52
  True horror movie has won
• 25:55
  Ryan: Well, I, for best picture or just like
• 25:57
  Jon: for Best Picture.
• 25:59
  Kearns: of water better not be on here.
• 26:00
  Jon: It's not.
• 26:01
  And Shape of Water.
• 26:02
  Shape of water doesn't count as, nobody puts that in SR.
• 26:06
  Ryan: do
• 26:06
  Kearns: Good.
• 26:07
  Ryan: P Lamper?
• 26:09
  Jon: They do not.
• 26:10
  Ryan: no.
• 26:10
  Kearns: was gonna
• 26:11
  Jon: I mean, they might.
• 26:11
  They might, but I don't think it it.
• 26:13
  Yeah.
• 26:14
  Next,
• 26:16
  Ryan: Oh,
• 26:16
  Jon: prev on a previous edition of Xenomania.
• 26:20
  Ryan: this is what started our year and I'm gonna slash it
• 26:22
  Kearns: I'm gonna slash it too.
• 26:24
  I'm gonna have to slash it.
• 26:25
  Um,
• 26:26
  Jon: mean, it's fine.
• 26:27
  Uh, this was, I feel like this was, uh, nominated for the phenomena
• 26:32
  Kearns: yeah.
• 26:32
  Jon: it was such a cultural touchstone,
• 26:36
  Ryan: Oh, absolutely.
• 26:38
  Jon: I mean, it's not, it, it's not a best picture when you watch it.
• 26:41
  You kind of know what, you kind of watch a movie like that and you know whether it
• 26:46
  really deserves the best picture or not.
• 26:50
  I didn't feel like this did.
• 26:51
  Ryan: now they have, um, original screenplay and adapted screenplay,
• 26:56
  the separate categories.
• 26:58
  I think in 99 it was still one category, but if that was in original screenplay,
• 27:03
  I believe it could have won that.
• 27:05
  Jon: It could have.
• 27:06
  Yeah.
• 27:07
  Yeah.
• 27:07
  Ryan: you know, I mean, being against, I don't know what was up that year, but
• 27:11
  being against other scripts adapted and original, I mean, it didn't have a chance.
• 27:17
  Jon: No, and I mean, listen, I, thought it was a fine movie.
• 27:20
  I don't think it's the best picture.
• 27:21
  Kearns: It's a one trick pony though.
• 27:23
  Yeah, exactly.
• 27:24
  Like it.
• 27:24
  It's, it's a good one off.
• 27:26
  And then after that it's used up almost completely.
• 27:29
  Jon: Yep,
• 27:30
  Kearns: watched it again many years later.
• 27:32
  I enjoyed it, but I was like, all right.
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  Jon: yep,
• 27:35
  Kearns: everybody was freaking out so hard.
• 27:37
  Jon: yep.
• 27:37
  Ryan: watch.
• 27:38
  It's a good
• 27:39
  Jon: It, it's fun.
• 27:40
  It's fine.
• 27:40
  It's, yeah.
• 27:41
  Next,
• 27:44
  previously on Xenomania.
• 27:46
  Kearns: I do like the substance, but I don't think I'm going to have
• 27:49
  an easier time slashing this than some of the other ones for sure.
• 27:53
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 27:53
  I'm gonna slash it
• 27:54
  Kearns: Because like I said, I don't identify, with the plight
• 27:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 27:59
  Kearns: as well.
• 27:59
  It's, I think that this is a movie for Hollywood people who are getting
• 28:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:03
  Kearns: and it's so hard.
• 28:06
  Ryan: It's excellent though, how they
• 28:07
  Kearns: It is excellent.
• 28:08
  It
• 28:08
  Jon: I've.
• 28:09
  Kearns: movie.
• 28:10
  Jon: I have to say I really love this artwork for it, like with that,
• 28:13
  Ryan: this is pretty
• 28:14
  Jon: not the version of her lying on the bathroom floor,
• 28:17
  but this version I like a lot.
• 28:20
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 28:21
  Ryan: It's
• 28:21
  Jon: All right?
• 28:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:25
  Next,
• 28:28
  Ryan: Ooh,
• 28:28
  Kearns: Stash.
• 28:30
  Damn it, John.
• 28:31
  'cause I know his next one.
• 28:33
  How do you slash The Exorcist?
• 28:36
  this is where I regret keeping get out by the way, but
• 28:39
  Jon: I mean, you, you are gonna regret keeping something because
• 28:43
  this is an amazing list of movies.
• 28:45
  Ryan: here's, here's my question.
• 28:47
  'cause like I said, I, it's related to my top
• 28:50
  Kearns: This one couldn't win.
• 28:51
  Ryan: are you evil?
• 28:52
  And do you have
• 28:52
  Kearns: I,
• 28:53
  Ryan: baby on here?
• 28:54
  Because after watching that, I actually prefer
• 28:57
  Kearns: I would pick,
• 28:58
  Ryan: Rosemary's Baby over the Exorcist.
• 29:00
  Jon: Was it nominated for best picture?
• 29:02
  Kearns: Rosemary's baby.
• 29:03
  Ryan: baby.
• 29:04
  Jon: It was not.
• 29:05
  Ryan: no.
• 29:06
  It was be no.
• 29:07
  Jon: These are only
• 29:08
  Ryan: doing
• 29:08
  Jon: best picture nominees.
• 29:10
  Only best picture.
• 29:12
  Ryan: You know what, then I'm, I don't want zuzu visiting me
• 29:14
  tonight, so I'm gonna stash it.
• 29:16
  Kearns: Yeah, I gotta st this, but
• 29:18
  Jon: So
• 29:18
  Kearns: still have one left.
• 29:20
  Jon: yeah, Ryan gets to Stash one.
• 29:22
  Kerns, you're cutting this?
• 29:25
  Kearns: All right.
• 29:26
  It's fine.
• 29:27
  Ryan: Wait, hold on.
• 29:28
  Oh, this is like a first time where the movie we're covering.
• 29:31
  Jon: Yep,
• 29:32
  Ryan: in the top
• 29:32
  Kearns: I think
• 29:33
  Jon: yep.
• 29:34
  Kearns: get Out actually beats sinners as far as being a better film,
• 29:37
  Ryan: sacrilege.
• 29:38
  Jon: absolutely do not.
• 29:39
  Ryan: no,
• 29:40
  Kearns: I think it does, I think it does.
• 29:42
  Ryan: Sinners is definitely the
• 29:44
  Kearns: one's more vibrant stuff, but the messaging, what
• 29:49
  is the messaging in sinners?
• 29:50
  Ryan: but sinners is more of the melting pot.
• 29:52
  I feel like you get the mix of like you're centered on one culture, but you so see
• 29:57
  that it's a mix of other cultures into one
• 30:00
  Kearns: Yeah, it's very interpretive.
• 30:01
  Whereas with Get Out, it's about, yeah, well, it's about assimilation, which is
• 30:06
  a way, it's a huge problem with Black America with regard to, do you behave
• 30:12
  as though you are black or do you behave as though you are white and be accepted?
• 30:15
  And that's always been a massive thing.
• 30:17
  there's, Thoreau talked about this for Christ's sake, so I don't know.
• 30:21
  I'm, I'm, I'm good with get out.
• 30:24
  I appreciate you guys liking sinners better though.
• 30:28
  Jon: Ryan,
• 30:28
  Ryan: bet
• 30:29
  Jon: you stashing sin
• 30:31
  Ryan: yeah, I'm gonna stash it.
• 30:31
  'cause you probably have silence in the Lambs is the last one.
• 30:34
  And I'm like, I I'll slash that.
• 30:36
  I'm okay.
• 30:37
  Jon: and.
• 30:38
  Ryan: over that.
• 30:39
  Jon: You would be correct.
• 30:41
  Kearns: B. Jordan.
• 30:42
  Jon: You would be correct.
• 30:43
  You don't like Michael B. Jordan?
• 30:45
  Kearns: I never liked Michael B. Jordan.
• 30:47
  Jon: I mean, he's not, he's not my, he's not my favorite.
• 30:50
  Michael Jordan, but he's a good second.
• 30:52
  Michael Jordan.
• 30:54
  Kearns: No, I just think he's a terrible actor.
• 30:56
  Ryan: Real.
• 30:57
  Kearns: Yes, he was Bad and Creed, all of them.
• 31:02
  The first one's passable because it was a well-written movie, but all of
• 31:04
  the follow ups are supposed to rely on him to carry it, and they don't.
• 31:08
  Ryan: Black Panther,
• 31:09
  Kearns: He doesn't.
• 31:10
  Terrible.
• 31:10
  He did a terrible job.
• 31:13
  He's the most unauthentic actor I think I've ever seen.
• 31:15
  That's super hyped up.
• 31:17
  I feel like I could watch Tom Holland recite Shakespeare over Michael B. Jordan
• 31:22
  playing an action hero and be believable.
• 31:24
  Ryan: I mean, I can,
• 31:25
  Kearns: It's so hard for me.
• 31:27
  Well, guy Montag, he ruins Guy Montag in the Fahrenheit 4 51 movie.
• 31:31
  He's terrible.
• 31:32
  Ryan: whole
• 31:33
  Kearns: That's a script issue too.
• 31:34
  Ryan: off that.
• 31:35
  Yeah.
• 31:35
  That whole movie is ruined.
• 31:36
  They don't, if they follow the, what the book is, we'd be fine,
• 31:40
  Kearns: But if you watch his o, his Oscar acceptance speech and then watch him
• 31:44
  act in that movie, it's the same person.
• 31:48
  There's no acting going
• 31:50
  Jon: Well
• 31:50
  Kearns: my point with him.
• 31:51
  Ryan: Well,
• 31:52
  Jon: let, let me transition back to the Oscars 'cause that's one of the
• 31:58
  other points I wanted to bring up tonight Sinners falls into multiple
• 32:02
  disrespected categories at the Academy Awards we just went through, we
• 32:08
  just went through nine horror movies that were nominated for best Picture
• 32:12
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 32:13
  Jon: only nine.
• 32:14
  None of them won.
• 32:16
  There have only been.
• 32:19
  Now with Michael B. Jordan.
• 32:21
  Eight performances in horror movies to Win Academy Awards not be nominated.
• 32:27
  There's a few more, but to Win and it's two of 'em are this year.
• 32:31
  Amy Madigan and Michael B. Jordan.
• 32:34
  This year you have Natalie Portman, Anthony Hopkins, Kathy Bates, Jody Foster,
• 32:40
  Kearns: A lot of whites.
• 32:42
  Jon: Ruth Gordon, and Rosemary's Baby, and Frederick March in Dr.
• 32:46
  Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
• 32:47
  That's it.
• 32:49
  Ryan: the Frederick March one.
• 32:51
  Okay.
• 32:52
  Jon: That's it.
• 32:53
  That's that.
• 32:53
  Those are the only performances that have won an Academy Award for horror movie.
• 32:58
  Kearns: Wow.
• 32:59
  Ryan: Spencer Tracy in that one.
• 33:01
  Jon: He might be,
• 33:02
  Kearns: Stinks too.
• 33:03
  Delroy.
• 33:03
  Lindo got.
• 33:05
  robbed and if, if
• 33:07
  Jon: I.
• 33:08
  Kearns: the recast of the Oscars, you can see when Michael b Jordan's about to
• 33:13
  win, they cut to Delroy and he's leaning there with the biggest scowl on his face.
• 33:19
  I think he agrees with me about Michael b Jordan's acting.
• 33:22
  Jon: I think that scowl was because he fully expected that,
• 33:25
  Timothy Chalamet was gonna win.
• 33:28
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Jon: I think he had seen how the night was going.
• 33:31
  He was like, no, we, we aren't gonna win this one either.
• 33:34
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:35
  Jon: And which goes to another traditional Oscar snub, is the
• 33:41
  African American performance.
• 33:44
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Jon: 90 plus, years, 23 African Americans have won acting awards,
• 33:52
  only seven for lead performances.
• 33:57
  Kearns: How many have been leads though?
• 33:59
  Ryan: Dental, Washington Training Day.
• 34:01
  Halle Berry.
• 34:02
  What was the Halle Berry?
• 34:03
  One
• 34:03
  Kearns: I, we can rattle off a bunch of movies, but like ratio wise, and we, I
• 34:07
  know there has to be a cutoff because
• 34:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 34:09
  Kearns: when there were no black leads,
• 34:11
  Jon: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Kearns: like we should probably try to figure that out at some point.
• 34:14
  How?
• 34:15
  Like what's the ratio?
• 34:16
  'cause it isn't 50%.
• 34:17
  50%. I know
• 34:18
  Jon: No, no, but I mean, how many great roles did Denzel have?
• 34:24
  Kearns: A bunch.
• 34:25
  He should have won for, John Q.
• 34:27
  Jon: He's, he's won one
• 34:29
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 34:30
  How
• 34:30
  Jon: more,
• 34:31
  Kearns: won?
• 34:31
  Jon: three-ish?
• 34:32
  Kearns: Tom Hanks has three
• 34:34
  Jon: I think it's three.
• 34:35
  Ryan: Three.
• 34:36
  Jon: it's three.
• 34:36
  Kearns: my argument.
• 34:37
  I thought he had won.
• 34:39
  Ryan: Lee.
• 34:39
  Jon: many did, how many?
• 34:40
  How many does, how many does Morgan Freeman have
• 34:43
  Kearns: Zero.
• 34:45
  But what, what he should he have earned?
• 34:46
  Uh,
• 34:48
  Jon: driving Miss Daisy?
• 34:50
  Ryan: yeah.
• 34:50
  Kearns: driving Miss Daisy is the answer.
• 34:52
  Actually.
• 34:52
  Unforgiven would be best supporting and then driving.
• 34:55
  Miss Daisy would be best actor, I'm guessing,
• 34:58
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Kearns: because
• 34:59
  Jon: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Kearns: the best actor though, in that, I don't know.
• 35:02
  Ryan: actress.
• 35:03
  actress.
• 35:05
  can also go back to Sidney Poer.
• 35:07
  Jon: One time, one award.
• 35:09
  Ryan: he in the
• 35:10
  Jon: Once.
• 35:11
  Yep.
• 35:12
  Ryan: me Mr.
• 35:13
  Kearns: I don't know.
• 35:13
  It's difficult for me
• 35:14
  Jon: Forrest Whitaker.
• 35:15
  Once
• 35:16
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Forrest
• 35:17
  Jon: Will
• 35:17
  Kearns: one.
• 35:18
  Jon: Smith and Jamie Fox are the only ones we didn't mention.
• 35:21
  In this.
• 35:22
  Halle Berry is the only black woman
• 35:25
  Ryan: Which shock?
• 35:28
  I
• 35:28
  Jon: for Lead.
• 35:29
  For Lead I
• 35:30
  Kearns: How many black women have been a lead in a, in a big budget movie?
• 35:34
  That would get the Oscars though.
• 35:36
  Ryan: Color, purple.
• 35:37
  Jon: Hidden Figures.
• 35:39
  Ryan: Yep.
• 35:39
  Kearns: Hidden Figures is an interesting one.
• 35:41
  Were they nominated?
• 35:43
  Jon: I think.
• 35:43
  Uh,
• 35:43
  Kearns: must.
• 35:44
  She
• 35:44
  Jon: d Viola Davis has been nominated for sure.
• 35:47
  Kearns: She must have been
• 35:48
  Jon: Um
• 35:49
  Kearns: Hidden Figures had a big year.
• 35:51
  I think for the help too.
• 35:53
  Ryan: Yep.
• 35:53
  The help
• 35:54
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 35:54
  Ryan: big
• 35:54
  Kearns: I,
• 35:55
  Ryan: Spencer.
• 35:56
  Jon: I mean, really, Ja.
• 35:57
  Ryan: shoot.
• 35:57
  Kearns: memory.
• 35:58
  There's a few,
• 35:59
  Jon: Jamie Fox has one because he had to go and be the biopic, you know?
• 36:03
  Kearns: sitting, I'm not defending it.
• 36:04
  I'm just saying that there's data out there we haven't seen yet, and
• 36:08
  I don't know, if this correlates, it feels like snubs, I mean,
• 36:14
  Ryan: We gotta look at the data.
• 36:16
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:16
  Kearns: also consider the fact that the Academy votes semi
• 36:20
  anonymously, like they vote.
• 36:22
  I guess they could call each other and be like, you voting for the help?
• 36:25
  Nah,
• 36:26
  Ryan: that probably does happen.
• 36:28
  Come
• 36:28
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:29
  Kearns: I dunno.
• 36:30
  Ryan: it's all about the control in Hollywood and the
• 36:33
  Kearns: Well.
• 36:33
  Ryan: stands out
• 36:34
  Kearns: they have to
• 36:34
  Jon: I mean,
• 36:35
  Kearns: the
• 36:35
  Jon: yeah, up until this year, it wasn't mandatory that you watched
• 36:38
  the movies you were voting on, so,
• 36:40
  Ryan: crazy.
• 36:41
  I
• 36:42
  Jon: you know,
• 36:42
  Ryan: on a lot of these films.
• 36:44
  I want
• 36:45
  Jon: I mean,
• 36:46
  Ryan: back and
• 36:47
  Jon: did we wind up, did we really wind up with better results
• 36:50
  with them watching everything?
• 36:52
  Ryan: I mean, what, what was the excuse for
• 36:54
  Kearns: It was almost,
• 36:54
  Ryan: They had
• 36:55
  Kearns: it was incredibly predictable
• 36:56
  Ryan: I
• 36:57
  Kearns: this year.
• 36:58
  Very predictable.
• 36:59
  I don't think there were many surprises.
• 37:01
  Ryan: did you expect one battle after another to win?
• 37:04
  Because I thought it was
• 37:05
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Ryan: between that and sinners and I feel sinners
• 37:08
  Jon: Sinners, had some sinners, had the momentum.
• 37:12
  But I, I thought all along that one battle was gonna win because it
• 37:15
  had, yeah, it has the timely sort of pol politicized element to it.
• 37:22
  Ryan: plus the star power.
• 37:23
  I mean, I get it, but sinners is what, what It's what you expect a movie to
• 37:27
  be that as a, a film lover like the.
• 37:31
  mean, one battle enough after another's great.
• 37:33
  But you had a lot of those pops.
• 37:35
  The action, the thrill, sinners, it cinematography as a whole.
• 37:39
  The
• 37:40
  Jon: And I,
• 37:41
  Ryan: I, I mean, just everything.
• 37:42
  Jon: even in one battle after another, though, they ignored, largely
• 37:46
  ignored the minority performances.
• 37:49
  Ryan: Yeah, they did.
• 37:50
  Jon: Benicio Del Toro got nominated.
• 37:52
  But did you ever think he had a chance to win?
• 37:55
  Kearns: No.
• 37:55
  Jon: I, I,
• 37:56
  Kearns: a clown.
• 37:57
  Jon: but I,
• 37:58
  Kearns: role was
• 37:59
  Jon: I, I think, I think his clown role was better than Sean Penn's role.
• 38:05
  'cause Sean Penn, Shawn, Sean Penn, Sean Penn played that
• 38:09
  role pretty close to perfectly.
• 38:12
  It's just so what, you know, it's not like, it's not a
• 38:16
  particularly challenging role.
• 38:18
  He's just a tough military guy.
• 38:22
  Yeah.
• 38:22
  He's a tough cuck military guy.
• 38:24
  Like, you've seen those guys in almost every military movie ever made.
• 38:30
  Like, it's so,
• 38:32
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Jon: it's,
• 38:33
  Kearns: that's like the guy that kills Kevin Spacey.
• 38:35
  Jon: but you know, all, all the, the women in that didn't,
• 38:40
  Ryan: joking.
• 38:40
  Jon: didn't win.
• 38:42
  Ryan: No, no.
• 38:43
  And they, their performances, I'm skipping on the name.
• 38:46
  Their performances were very excellent.
• 38:48
  Um,
• 38:49
  Jon: Um, one was Regina Hall and one was, um, somebody with a t.
• 38:54
  Kearns: even know
• 38:54
  Jon: Um,
• 38:55
  Kearns: either.
• 38:56
  Jon: um, I know, yeah.
• 38:57
  I've never seen her in anything.
• 38:59
  It's, it's with Ts.
• 39:00
  Kearns: it's to twist things.
• 39:01
  Ryan?
• 39:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:03
  But, but here's the, here to go to bring it back to sinners.
• 39:07
  I think the only reason Delroy, Lindo doesn't win, he needed one more scene.
• 39:12
  Probably he needed one more big time, like chewing the scenery
• 39:16
  moment and watching it a second time.
• 39:21
  I loved his performance.
• 39:23
  I think it needed like one moment and I would sort of go the same way
• 39:27
  with Annie or, um, played by Wmi.
• 39:30
  Masaki.
• 39:30
  'cause she probably should have been nominated too.
• 39:33
  She's just missing probably a moment as well.
• 39:37
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 39:38
  Kearns: Delroy should have won for God in 60 seconds.
• 39:41
  Jon: Roy Lindo probably should have a couple at this point, because he was
• 39:44
  amazing in, Clockers, if I remember right.
• 39:46
  It's Clockers.
• 39:47
  Ryan: he was.
• 39:47
  Kearns: he's great in a few movies.
• 39:49
  Um, as far as being a, second guy, third
• 39:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:53
  Kearns: crushes it.
• 39:53
  He's great ensemble cast too.
• 39:55
  Jon: Yep.
• 39:56
  Ryan: Okay.
• 39:56
  Yes.
• 39:56
  Jon: Yeah, because he,
• 39:58
  Kearns: a statue
• 39:59
  Jon: no, he's not.
• 40:00
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Jon: not.
• 40:01
  Kearns: you didn't get it for this.
• 40:02
  That's probably it.
• 40:03
  Jon: And, listen, and I'm, not gonna pretend there aren't white
• 40:06
  actors who have been snubbed.
• 40:08
  Harrison Ford has no Academy Awards.
• 40:11
  He's been in, he's been in eight movies that have been
• 40:14
  nominated for, for Academy Awards.
• 40:16
  He's not
• 40:17
  Kearns: what, what movie was he in?
• 40:19
  That he played like The Fugitive?
• 40:22
  I mean, witness is probably the only argument you could make, I'd think.
• 40:25
  And it's a good argument to make too.
• 40:27
  Ryan: the Lost
• 40:27
  Kearns: No, no.
• 40:28
  He was in, um, he was in that one with the Irish guys.
• 40:31
  Uh, what the hell is that?
• 40:32
  Clear and Present
• 40:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:33
  Kearns: Harrison Ford?
• 40:34
  Ryan: Yep.
• 40:35
  Jon: Clear in present and Patriot games.
• 40:37
  Kearns: yeah, but
• 40:37
  Jon: He was great in both of those.
• 40:39
  Kearns: these are like, and The Fugitive, these are like those nineties era action,
• 40:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:43
  Kearns: Clancy slash John Grisham era sort of movies.
• 40:47
  And uh, well, I guess you could make the argument for a
• 40:49
  few good men on that too then.
• 40:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 40:52
  Kearns: like he's Harrison Ford's acting in most of these things.
• 40:56
  I think he does a better job in, the new TV show.
• 40:59
  He's in acting than he shrinking than he does in most of the movies that he's
• 41:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 41:04
  Kearns: movies are amazing and he performs well on them.
• 41:06
  It's just the movies don't demand an Oscar worthy performance from him.
• 41:11
  That's my argument.
• 41:13
  Ryan: He delivers
• 41:14
  Kearns: No, but I mean, he doesn't like he in order to fulfill the role.
• 41:17
  Like Indiana Jones isn't an Oscar winning performance.
• 41:19
  It's, it's an entertainment
• 41:21
  Jon: There, there was
• 41:22
  Ryan: that
• 41:22
  Jon: a time in our, a time in our history where a movie like Indiana
• 41:25
  Jones would've won a bunch of awards,
• 41:28
  Ryan: it should
• 41:29
  Jon: that would, if that was in the forties, that would probably
• 41:31
  be an Academy Award winner.
• 41:33
  Kearns: Like The Mummy.
• 41:34
  Jon: They loved those things.
• 41:36
  Kearns: up then.
• 41:38
  Ryan: Which one?
• 41:40
  Jon: The, the mummies,
• 41:41
  Ryan: Which one?
• 41:42
  Jon: the mummy still has some, not so great acting performances around it.
• 41:46
  Some of that is like if you go back and watch some of The Mummy, now some of
• 41:50
  those performances are a little rough,
• 41:52
  Kearns: I'm sure.
• 41:53
  I'm sure.
• 41:54
  But my, yeah, it's like I just, I'm okay with the news
• 41:57
  that Harrison Ford never won.
• 41:59
  You know, he didn't, he doesn't have the statue on his shelf, and I'm
• 42:02
  Jon: but I'm
• 42:03
  Kearns: fine with it too, because he's says, show me the money.
• 42:07
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 42:09
  I, what I, what I think ultimately happens, he probably gets some kinda
• 42:12
  lifetime award because he seems more focused on the TV stuff at this point
• 42:17
  anyway, and they, but the Oscars also does this lifetime achievement thing.
• 42:24
  Kearns: Yeah, it's true.
• 42:25
  Jon: Amy Madigan as much won for playing for her role in weapons as she
• 42:31
  won for her whole career this year.
• 42:33
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Jon: Delroy Lindo, if he had won this year, you'd say the same thing.
• 42:38
  Paul Thomas Anderson won for the same reason, because he was probably snubbed
• 42:43
  at least two other times for other movies.
• 42:46
  Probably better movies than one Battle.
• 42:48
  Ryan: yep.
• 42:49
  Yep.
• 42:51
  I was gonna say
• 42:51
  Kearns: It's the other thing that's like, this is a recurring thing where the good
• 42:55
  movie doesn't win, or the best movie I should say, and their thing doesn't win.
• 42:58
  And that's 'cause of what it's up against at the time
• 43:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:01
  Kearns: And then you see like a Leo winning for The Revenant
• 43:04
  when you're like, oh my God,
• 43:06
  Jon: That,
• 43:06
  Kearns: not win for these other
• 43:08
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 43:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:09
  Kearns: Revenant's a great movie, but compared to his other performances, you're
• 43:13
  like, well, he crawls around a lot and he's bleeding and it, it's real cold.
• 43:17
  Like it's not his best perform.
• 43:19
  I mean, I
• 43:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:19
  Kearns: that
• 43:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:20
  Kearns: Just put me outside
• 43:24
  Ryan: it's, you know, it's like the Scorsese thing.
• 43:27
  He went on to departed, but he had, there were so many other
• 43:30
  chances from the eighties.
• 43:32
  Like, I waved the raging Bull flag.
• 43:34
  He should have won it in 1980 for Raging Bull.
• 43:36
  Kearns: Raging Bull's a masterpiece.
• 43:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:38
  Ryan: they, they snubbed him.
• 43:40
  But it's like an ongoing pattern though.
• 43:42
  It's, it's no
• 43:43
  Jon: Yeah,
• 43:43
  Ryan: People see it.
• 43:44
  It's like, all right, we'll get you later, either 20 years down
• 43:47
  the line or two years down the line
• 43:50
  Jon: but it, I mean, it's a really bold thing to do.
• 43:53
  'cause you never know.
• 43:56
  and it's, it, that's, to me is always the frustrating part of the Academy Awards
• 44:00
  is knowing that something's either a lifetime achievement or a makeup award,
• 44:05
  and it's not always about the movie.
• 44:08
  That was the best, like, I mean, aside from the issues Frankenstein had with
• 44:12
  the way it was marketed and pushed of those guys, Guillermo Del Toros won.
• 44:18
  He's got his award.
• 44:21
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Kearns: true.
• 44:23
  Ryan: Shape
• 44:23
  Jon: know, you, yeah.
• 44:26
  He's got his, you can honor somebody else and you can make
• 44:30
  good with Paul Thomas Anderson.
• 44:31
  But now you, probably owe Ryan Coogler.
• 44:35
  Kearns: Yep.
• 44:36
  Well, one of the things I don't like about it is it because it instills
• 44:38
  that sense in them that they have to get this one or this one or
• 44:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:42
  Kearns: just be what's up that year?
• 44:45
  Jon: Yep.
• 44:45
  Kearns: the best?
• 44:46
  And
• 44:46
  Jon: Yep.
• 44:46
  Kearns: the case, Leo would probably have five.
• 44:48
  Five Oscars.
• 44:50
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 44:51
  He probably,
• 44:54
  Kearns: Morgan
• 44:54
  Jon: I don't,
• 44:55
  Kearns: probably have a couple
• 44:56
  Ryan: I mean his, his performance in Gilbert Grape real quick.
• 44:59
  It's
• 45:00
  Kearns: that should have been his first.
• 45:01
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 45:02
  Ryan: percent.
• 45:03
  A hundred percent.
• 45:05
  Uh, Morgan Freeman.
• 45:06
  That, that's like, there's so many actors who
• 45:10
  Kearns: Could Mama Joan win for best supporting?
• 45:12
  Could the bed win for best supporting?
• 45:16
  if you've seen the movie, you understand the joke there.
• 45:18
  Listeners,
• 45:21
  it's my favorite part of the movie, when the house collapses.
• 45:24
  Ryan: just, oh, that's so darks, so dark.
• 45:28
  Mama.
• 45:29
  Kearns: I killed him, Gilbert.
• 45:31
  Oh man.
• 45:34
  I can't re-watch that movie 'cause it's so visceral for me.
• 45:36
  It's like, it's too much feeling I enjoyed seeing the art and feeling the
• 45:41
  feels, and now I'm like, all right.
• 45:43
  I, I'm good on that for a while.
• 45:45
  Jon: Mm.
• 45:46
  Kearns: It's like watching honey.
• 45:47
  I shrunk the kids.
• 45:48
  I don't need to see the murder Auntie again.
• 45:51
  He saved those children.
• 45:52
  Damnit.
• 45:53
  He's a real hero.
• 45:55
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:55
  Kearns: Oscar?
• 45:57
  Ryan: Rick Mariani
• 45:59
  Kearns: No, the an, the
• 46:00
  Jon: Rick Mores.
• 46:02
  Kearns: Rick Morran didn't save crap.
• 46:04
  Auntie saved those kids.
• 46:07
  I'll die on this anthill.
• 46:11
  Jon: Okay.
• 46:11
  Kearns: we should move on.
• 46:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 46:15
  Back, back to sins.
• 46:16
  So I think you get a bunch of great performances in sin.
• 46:22
  I mean, I know you're not a Michael B. Jordan fan.
• 46:24
  I thought he was really good.
• 46:25
  It's, they sort of did a really good job of the parts where both
• 46:31
  smoke and stack are on screen
• 46:34
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 46:34
  Jon: it.
• 46:34
  Not looking like it's like either an image or AI or a stunt double or something.
• 46:40
  They did a really good job with that and he did a really good job of re
• 46:44
  creating two separate characters out of this role because smoke and Stack
• 46:51
  are definitely very different people.
• 46:55
  Ryan: Oh, a hundred
• 46:56
  Kearns: they are.
• 46:57
  And the script carries that through pretty
• 46:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:00
  Kearns: way they speak and one does with, uh,
• 47:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:04
  Kearns: Uh,
• 47:05
  Ryan: Mary.
• 47:06
  Kearns: Annie.
• 47:06
  Is it Annie
• 47:07
  Jon: Annie.
• 47:08
  Annie is smokes lady,
• 47:10
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Jon: and Mary is Stacks Lady.
• 47:12
  Like Smoke is the one who's holding the culture.
• 47:15
  You know, he's the, culture guy.
• 47:17
  Kearns: Yep.
• 47:19
  Ryan: Yep.
• 47:19
  And
• 47:20
  Kearns: But
• 47:20
  Ryan: changing with the times,
• 47:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:22
  Ryan: there's your acting with Michael B. Jordan.
• 47:24
  How, um, how can a man who can't act do two different roles at the same time?
• 47:29
  Kearns: he does the same thing in both roles.
• 47:31
  He reads the scripts for both characters the same way.
• 47:34
  Ryan: to, no.
• 47:35
  Kearns: will give you, I will give this up that he, in this movie, he does
• 47:40
  better than he's done in most other movies, but this is still, this is
• 47:45
  still the C minus performance Michael B. Jordan guy that I always see.
• 47:51
  could have been
• 47:51
  Jon: Uh.
• 47:51
  Kearns: out there, and I would've felt, and I would've felt like he would've
• 47:55
  Jon: I,
• 47:55
  Kearns: thing.
• 47:56
  Jon: no, I,
• 47:57
  Ryan: Drum
• 47:57
  Jon: got, I, I gotta push back on this one.
• 48:00
  Michael B. Jordan is so good in this.
• 48:03
  He's, he is exactly what this movie needs.
• 48:06
  Kearns: He
• 48:06
  Jon: I mean, but everybody, Jack O'Connell, our buddy Jack O'Connell,
• 48:10
  showing up as Remic is incredible.
• 48:13
  In, in the minutes that he gets,
• 48:15
  Kearns: getting, we're getting to the vampire.
• 48:16
  He does do a pretty good job.
• 48:18
  Jon: he's a, yeah,
• 48:18
  Kearns: Um,
• 48:19
  Jon: I mean, he,
• 48:20
  Kearns: job.
• 48:20
  Jon: he's, he,
• 48:21
  Kearns: over the only white guy in the
• 48:23
  Jon: he's,
• 48:23
  Kearns: that I've just been crapping all over Michael B. Jordan.
• 48:25
  So he is, he did fine.
• 48:27
  Jon: he's, he's clearly, clearly developed a very good villain
• 48:34
  persona between this and,
• 48:36
  Kearns: You know
• 48:37
  Jon: and Bone Temple.
• 48:38
  Like he's such a good villain at this point.
• 48:41
  Kearns: It's my, it's wow.
• 48:43
  He looks so different
• 48:45
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 48:46
  Kearns: than he does in the movie.
• 48:47
  That's insane.
• 48:48
  But it's seeing Omar Benson, right?
• 48:50
  Jamie Lawson and Delroy Lindo.
• 48:53
  And that's, kind of the reason why these other performances are so freaking good.
• 48:58
  Sammy, I can't remember his name.
• 49:00
  Jon: miles, Katten,
• 49:01
  Ryan: Can it,
• 49:02
  Kearns: I mean the, level of absolute passion that leaks
• 49:05
  from their performances.
• 49:06
  And then you get Michael B. Jordan, and I know John and I'm done, I'm done now.
• 49:10
  But like, that's what I'm saying is the cast is so powerful in this too.
• 49:14
  And then the lead is, I'm like, okay, it's this guy again.
• 49:18
  So maybe it's my bias.
• 49:19
  Yeah, no, the lead, the
• 49:23
  Jon: and
• 49:23
  Kearns: with two different jackets on.
• 49:25
  Jon: I mean, sinners made other award history as well.
• 49:28
  Kearns: Yes it
• 49:28
  Jon: You get the first woman to win a best cinematography award, which is insane.
• 49:34
  Kearns: That one is awesome.
• 49:36
  But they stole that from Train Dreams.
• 49:38
  I'm
• 49:38
  Jon: Yeah, probably.
• 49:39
  Probably.
• 49:40
  But.
• 49:40
  Kearns: movie if you And
• 49:41
  Ryan: though.
• 49:42
  Kearns: I love the cinematography in Train Dreams though.
• 49:44
  Jon: Train.
• 49:45
  Kearns: it.
• 49:45
  Jon: Train Dreams has the same problem.
• 49:47
  Frankenstein had.
• 49:48
  Netflix didn't push anything this year.
• 49:52
  Ryan: No they didn't.
• 49:53
  Kearns: they probably were told not to like sit back and shut up
• 49:56
  Jon: I mean,
• 49:57
  Ryan: Things.
• 49:58
  mean, you got two movies that are Oscar nominated.
• 50:01
  I would've promoted those heavily over Stranger Think Season five.
• 50:05
  Kearns: They were hoping to make another a
• 50:06
  Jon: well,
• 50:06
  Kearns: subs.
• 50:07
  Again, people forget they're subscribed for
• 50:09
  Jon: yeah,
• 50:10
  Kearns: all
• 50:10
  Jon: yeah.
• 50:11
  Stranger Things is the money that affords train dreams and Frankenstein.
• 50:17
  Ryan: Uh, true,
• 50:18
  Jon: So they, they're gonna push that every time, but that doesn't
• 50:20
  mean you can't push the other things.
• 50:22
  That's the frustrating part
• 50:24
  Kearns: They
• 50:24
  Jon: is you could have pushed them.
• 50:25
  Ryan: There's gotta be an even level of like distribution when it comes to it
• 50:31
  Jon: Well, I mean, the distribution, the distribution is even, it's all there.
• 50:36
  It's all in the same place.
• 50:37
  Everybody has the same access,
• 50:39
  Ryan: meaning advertising
• 50:40
  Jon: Yeah.
• 50:40
  You They did, they didn't put on the Oscar campaigns that these other movies did.
• 50:46
  And, uh, movies that win do like that.
• 50:50
  I mean, Miramax always understood that the Weinsteins stole awards for years
• 50:57
  just based on the amount of marketing they did around getting the award.
• 51:02
  Kearns: They knew how to play the game.
• 51:03
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:04
  Shakespeare and Love is a best picture winner.
• 51:06
  Kearns: Ew.
• 51:07
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 51:07
  Kearns: I could never figure that out by the way.
• 51:09
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 51:10
  Jon: It's the,
• 51:11
  Ryan: why.
• 51:11
  Jon: the amount of money and advertising they put into winning that award.
• 51:17
  Kearns: Wow.
• 51:19
  Jon: That was the goal with that movie Win the Academy Award.
• 51:23
  Ryan: And if people weren't watching all the movies, I mean, you keep seeing it.
• 51:26
  Oh man, this must be good.
• 51:28
  People said it's good.
• 51:29
  All right.
• 51:29
  Let's vote for it.
• 51:31
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:31
  I.
• 51:32
  Ryan: Redo,
• 51:33
  Jon: Hopefully some of that goes away with new rules.
• 51:36
  I mean, I don't, know their full enforcement on it.
• 51:40
  I would imagine it's, streamed somehow,
• 51:44
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 51:45
  Jon: but I don't, know that you can.
• 51:46
  I mean, who's to say you don't just put that stream on and walk away to fulfill
• 51:51
  the requirements so you can vote for your friend who made whatever other movie.
• 51:55
  Kearns: that's true.
• 51:56
  Ryan: Okay.
• 51:56
  Okay.
• 51:58
  Kearns: That's true.
• 51:59
  I forgot about nepotism
• 52:01
  Jon: I mean, it, and it's, it's, it's also the fact that you, you're
• 52:04
  judging art and who's to judge art.
• 52:08
  Kearns: Fair.
• 52:09
  I mean,
• 52:09
  Ryan: Yep.
• 52:11
  Art
• 52:12
  Kearns: I am not gonna get drawn into this one.
• 52:14
  Ryan: oh no, I'll get drawn it.
• 52:15
  Film is art as we're saying.
• 52:17
  It's like some people like it, some people don't.
• 52:20
  You know, it's based on whatever tastes like.
• 52:23
  I just picked up ice wide shut.
• 52:25
  Some people love it, some people hate it.
• 52:28
  Kearns: I like when the rich people put on the Illuminati masks and have an orgy.
• 52:33
  That's, that's,
• 52:34
  Ryan: part of the films.
• 52:35
  Kearns: yeah.
• 52:35
  It's like the whole movie to me.
• 52:36
  'cause that's all I remember watching when I was 13.
• 52:41
  Ryan: you know what, it's the lore that goes behind it that after released
• 52:44
  Stanley Kubrick dies mysteriously of a heart attack 14 days later.
• 52:49
  that
• 52:49
  Kearns: Boom, boom, boom.
• 52:51
  Ryan: it's like that, like hidden connection.
• 52:53
  Like, is this what really the elite does?
• 52:55
  But people hate it because of
• 52:57
  Kearns: I mean, Epstein files are out, so I think the, the word is out.
• 53:01
  This is exactly what they do.
• 53:05
  Oh boy.
• 53:06
  I wonder if YouTube soft bands for Epstein files.
• 53:10
  Ryan: Uh, I don't think so.
• 53:11
  Kearns: did the, I
• 53:12
  Jon: Probably,
• 53:12
  Kearns: learned a new
• 53:13
  Jon: probably not.
• 53:14
  Kearns: Yeah, you're probably right actually.
• 53:15
  'cause it's getting clicks.
• 53:16
  Jon: It probably gets promoted.
• 53:18
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Kearns: Epstein, Epstein, uh, so back to it.
• 53:23
  we're about 55 minutes in and we, haven't even done a review yet.
• 53:27
  Jon: Oh, this could be a really good rant.
• 53:29
  so do you guys want to hear what, before we give you our opinions,
• 53:32
  do you guys want to hear what some other people had to think of sinners?
• 53:35
  Kearns: Why?
• 53:36
  Yes,
• 53:37
  Ryan: but
• 53:37
  Kearns: I do.
• 53:38
  Ryan: it'll be a Travis.
• 53:39
  He, someone gave like a half star, one star 'cause
• 53:41
  Kearns: sure these are cogent reviews that are
• 53:43
  Jon: Yeah.
• 53:44
  Um,
• 53:44
  Kearns: and
• 53:44
  Jon: I, I'm, I'm sure
• 53:45
  Kearns: in any kind of bias.
• 53:46
  Jon: I, I, I'm sure no one was racist in their review of this movie.
• 53:51
  Um, so to start with, it took a little digging to find the bad reviews.
• 53:56
  This is 97% critic score on Rotten Tomato and 96%
• 54:02
  Kearns: am into my,
• 54:02
  Jon: audience.
• 54:03
  Kearns: being so critical of this film.
• 54:04
  Jon: 96% audience score.
• 54:07
  So like they sinners hit for a lot of people.
• 54:12
  five stars, very twisted and intense.
• 54:16
  You won't be able to take your eyes off the screen because of how
• 54:19
  much action and tension there is.
• 54:22
  Michael B. Jordan was excellent as always, but Miles Katten really
• 54:27
  surprised me and was fantastic too.
• 54:30
  Lots of unexpected moments throughout the film.
• 54:33
  Another masterpiece from Ryan Coogler.
• 54:36
  Ryan: A hundred percent agree,
• 54:38
  Jon: I would
• 54:40
  Kearns: agree.
• 54:43
  Jon: to, to me this is, I've seen most of the Ryan Coogler movies and I mean,
• 54:49
  I think it's pretty well established.
• 54:50
  I'm not a Marvel DC kind of guy.
• 54:54
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 54:55
  Jon: This is for me, for me, this is light years above anything he's ever done.
• 55:02
  Ryan: Agreed.
• 55:02
  Kearns: fair.
• 55:03
  Jon: this guy doesn't think he's so one star.
• 55:07
  This is the dumbest movie I've ever seen.
• 55:11
  It was so bad.
• 55:12
  I made a Rotten Tomatoes account just to make sure it doesn't keep
• 55:17
  the 97% review it has at the moment.
• 55:20
  Kearns: does and that this is the second time I review.
• 55:23
  You've read his
• 55:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 55:27
  How, how did this win an Oscar?
• 55:30
  It didn't.
• 55:31
  The plot was weak.
• 55:33
  Acting was mid, and the horror lasted 20 minutes.
• 55:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 55:39
  But I bet you he loves from dust till dawn.
• 55:42
  Jon: I'm sure he does.
• 55:43
  Kearns: not mid, and please once again, do not let my hatred of Michael B
• 55:47
  Jordan's acting skills overshadow the phenomenal acting done by this entire cast
• 55:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 55:53
  Kearns: Michael B. Jordan.
• 55:55
  Jon: Uh, we
• 55:56
  Ryan: Zach?
• 55:56
  Jon: plot.
• 55:57
  We spent the whole first 20 minutes of this episode detailing how he
• 56:01
  weaved so much history into the plot.
• 56:04
  Ryan: Yep.
• 56:04
  Kearns: for real.
• 56:05
  Jon: if, you've read a book, you understand
• 56:08
  Kearns: Well,
• 56:08
  Jon: amount of detail.
• 56:10
  Ryan: Yep.
• 56:10
  Kearns: there's the problem right there.
• 56:12
  And the
• 56:12
  Jon: our
• 56:13
  Kearns: they're made to read in school, were like, wait,
• 56:15
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 56:16
  Kearns: No, we didn't.
• 56:16
  My dad told
• 56:17
  Jon: And,
• 56:17
  Kearns: didn't.
• 56:18
  Jon: and if our one star hasn't read a book, our half star probably
• 56:24
  needed help typing his review.
• 56:26
  Kearns: Oh boy.
• 56:27
  Ryan: Oh.
• 56:28
  Jon: Half star.
• 56:31
  Degenerate, disgusting, filthy, and filled with lies.
• 56:37
  Kearns: Oh.
• 56:37
  Jon: What lies, I don't know if you could, clarify what lie
• 56:41
  is told in a fictional movie.
• 56:44
  What A lot of woke BS trash movies like this only hurt black people
• 56:52
  by making them look horrible.
• 56:55
  So first off, I would like to know what in this movie makes anybody look horrible?
• 57:01
  Kearns: I mean, it's the,
• 57:03
  Ryan: Mississippi?
• 57:04
  Kearns: they're
• 57:04
  Jon: You.
• 57:05
  Kearns: on, the fact that they're running an illegal, uh,
• 57:07
  you know, contraband business.
• 57:09
  But if this was a bunch of white people doing the same thing, you'd be
• 57:12
  thinking like, oh, Bonnie and Clyde or GG, and you'd be cool with it.
• 57:18
  Jon: Have you watched any Prohibition set movie?
• 57:20
  And you were fine with that?
• 57:21
  I just said, what before?
• 57:23
  Is the Breakfast Club one of your favorite movies because that's
• 57:27
  white people behaving badly.
• 57:29
  Kearns: Well, what's the one with, uh, shy Lab Boof and Tom Hardy?
• 57:32
  Um, lawless.
• 57:34
  Ryan: Wallace?
• 57:34
  Yep.
• 57:35
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 57:35
  Lawless is
• 57:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 57:37
  Kearns: like lawless, but you hated this, then you're a racist
• 57:39
  Jon: did you hate Roadhouse?
• 57:41
  So
• 57:41
  Kearns: roadhouse.
• 57:43
  Jon: listen, thi
• 57:43
  Ryan: Roadhouse.
• 57:44
  Jon: thi
• 57:44
  Ryan: touch that.
• 57:45
  Jon: this is simple.
• 57:46
  I know we've said going, uh, through the course of this whole podcast, we
• 57:49
  didn't want to get terribly political.
• 57:52
  Kearns: This
• 57:52
  Jon: is not a, this is not a political statement.
• 57:55
  Human rights equality are not.
• 57:58
  Political.
• 58:00
  If, this is your reason for not liking this movie, this is a
• 58:04
  you problem, you are a racist,
• 58:09
  Ryan: Preach,
• 58:09
  Jon: period.
• 58:10
  Full stop.
• 58:12
  You don't have to like sinners.
• 58:15
  You, there are reasons to not like it.
• 58:17
  It's
• 58:17
  Kearns: I
• 58:18
  Jon: fine.
• 58:19
  It's, it's,
• 58:20
  Ryan: it now?
• 58:21
  Jon: it's, it's fine to not think Sinners is the best movie ever.
• 58:26
  It's fine to watch sinners and say, you know, it feels a
• 58:29
  lot like from Dust till dawn.
• 58:30
  That's fine.
• 58:31
  I think you're wrong.
• 58:32
  I think you've missed a lot of the point, but it's fine.
• 58:36
  But if your reason,
• 58:38
  Kearns: and they
• 58:38
  Jon: if, if your reason for not liking this is because it's a black movie,
• 58:45
  because the white people are villains.
• 58:47
  You're a racist.
• 58:49
  It's 1930s Mississippi.
• 58:51
  Who do you think the bad guy is to the black guy?
• 58:56
  Ryan: I thought it was the
• 58:57
  Jon: It's, it's the white people.
• 59:00
  It no matter, no matter what you do with this movie, it, if you're
• 59:05
  setting it at that time, place, time period, and you are not, and
• 59:12
  the white people are the good guys.
• 59:14
  You've written the wrong movie.
• 59:15
  You've written the racist movie
• 59:17
  Kearns: they're not the good guys,
• 59:19
  Jon: and at, at the, at the end of the day.
• 59:21
  One more, one more bit of this rant.
• 59:23
  At the end of the day, REMIC is not a racist.
• 59:29
  Ryan: No, he's
• 59:29
  Jon: If you listen to him talk, it's community, it's freedom, it's unity.
• 59:35
  The first two people, he bites sure as hell are racists.
• 59:38
  Ryan: Yep.
• 59:38
  Jon: Remic is not.
• 59:41
  Kearns: Yeah, he just, he gets the clans members, so
• 59:44
  Jon: And,
• 59:44
  Kearns: associate him with the clan.
• 59:46
  Jon: and, and if you don't stand up the last five minutes and
• 59:49
  cheer when smoke is mowing down.
• 59:53
  A ton of Klansmen.
• 59:55
  If you're not cheering at that moment, you are the problem
• 59:58
  Ryan: Yep.
• 59:59
  Agreed.
• 1:00:00
  Jon: end rant.
• 1:00:02
  Kearns: like you as a person because your outrage is very righteous in this
• 1:00:07
  and it's aimed in the right direction, at least according to my moral compass.
• 1:00:10
  And I just enjoyed that very much.
• 1:00:12
  Jon: Thank you.
• 1:00:13
  Kearns: and I always agree with you and you were Jesus.
• 1:00:15
  So,
• 1:00:16
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:00:17
  Jon: So
• 1:00:17
  Kearns: I mean,
• 1:00:18
  Jon: that said, how many five stars do we have here?
• 1:00:24
  Kearns: I'll go last for dramatic effect 'cause we all know I'm
• 1:00:27
  gonna be lower than you guys.
• 1:00:29
  Jon: Go ahead, Ryan.
• 1:00:30
  You
• 1:00:30
  Kearns: score.
• 1:00:30
  Jon: start.
• 1:00:31
  Ryan: I five out five.
• 1:00:32
  It just does everything right.
• 1:00:34
  The writing's great.
• 1:00:35
  It's an original screenplay.
• 1:00:37
  Googler hits every beat.
• 1:00:38
  Kearns: Oh.
• 1:00:38
  Ryan: It gives you a backstory, builds up on the horror, and when the horror
• 1:00:43
  hits, it keeps the audience wanting more.
• 1:00:46
  I mean.
• 1:00:47
  It also like, kinda like gives the audience the control because you
• 1:00:50
  know, like when people are walking into the parking lot and the vampires
• 1:00:54
  are there, they're like, oh, you know that, something's gonna happen.
• 1:00:57
  And like that not like in, you're suspenseful on some
• 1:01:02
  things, but you're not.
• 1:01:03
  And on the other part.
• 1:01:05
  And it's a nice balancing act.
• 1:01:07
  So five Outta five,
• 1:01:08
  Kearns: It's a, it's a perfect movie.
• 1:01:11
  Ryan: I think it's a perfect move.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  You want me to be 4.75?
• 1:01:15
  Kearns: That's what,
• 1:01:15
  Jon: No, don't, don't,
• 1:01:16
  Kearns: okay.
• 1:01:17
  Jon: don't let him.
• 1:01:17
  Don't let him, don't let him talk.
• 1:01:19
  You off of your five.
• 1:01:21
  You had a five.
• 1:01:22
  Don't get talked off of a five.
• 1:01:24
  Kearns: down, he got talked down.
• 1:01:26
  He got talked down.
• 1:01:26
  Ryan: John
• 1:01:27
  Kearns: It happened.
• 1:01:28
  I influenced him.
• 1:01:29
  Ryan: 5.1.
• 1:01:30
  Jon: You are not talking me Off of my five.
• 1:01:33
  To me, there are four movies that came out last year.
• 1:01:37
  Four movies that came out last year that I believe are perfect.
• 1:01:41
  Five out of five movies.
• 1:01:43
  They are Begonia,
• 1:01:45
  Kearns: Yes.
• 1:01:46
  Jon: one Battle,
• 1:01:47
  Ryan: Yep,
• 1:01:49
  Kearns: Yes.
• 1:01:50
  Jon: and Sinners.
• 1:01:51
  Ryan: yep.
• 1:01:51
  Jon: these four me.
• 1:01:52
  If any one of these four had won Best Picture, I would've been fine.
• 1:01:56
  I think Sinners should have won because of all of the significance,
• 1:02:00
  because of, as we talked about to start this episode, how much time
• 1:02:04
  Coler put into building the world.
• 1:02:08
  I mean, this could have been an hour and a half vampires attacking a juke
• 1:02:11
  joint movie without any of the buildup, without any of the history, without any
• 1:02:16
  of the things that make that significant.
• 1:02:18
  And it would've been a fine horror movie.
• 1:02:20
  It would've been fine.
• 1:02:22
  He took the time and the effort to create this world.
• 1:02:26
  He managed to get these performances.
• 1:02:29
  It's beautifully shot.
• 1:02:31
  The music, I mean, we've talked about the music, but the
• 1:02:34
  score too is just fantastic.
• 1:02:38
  And that's probably as big a snub as this movie Faced was not winning Best
• 1:02:44
  song and understand the K-Pop Demon Hunters song was a juggernaut and nothing
• 1:02:50
  would've beat it, but so sinners five.
• 1:02:53
  Kearns: It's not even the best song in that movie that I watched with my kids
• 1:02:56
  400 times, by the way, what it sounds like is the far superior song in that
• 1:03:01
  movie, but Golden one, so, okay, whatever.
• 1:03:04
  And also Sinners should have won that hands down.
• 1:03:07
  You're absolutely right.
• 1:03:08
  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:03:08
  Kearns: Um, the ending of this movie is so phenomenally good and well done.
• 1:03:13
  By the way, I, when I was watching it, I was sitting there thinking to
• 1:03:16
  my, I've been highly critical of the movie, the entire podcast, everybody.
• 1:03:20
  But I did love this movie.
• 1:03:21
  my dislike or disenchantment with Michael B. Jordan doesn't
• 1:03:24
  take too much off the top.
• 1:03:26
  This is a fantastic movie.
• 1:03:27
  but that the ending was where I really thought this thing was gonna fall apart.
• 1:03:31
  I really thought he was gonna bomb he took the Michael, or no, not
• 1:03:35
  Michael B. Jordan, the, uh, Jordan Peel sort of algorithm that had
• 1:03:40
  been going around for these movies.
• 1:03:41
  And he added real soul to it sinners.
• 1:03:45
  Not, it was a, it was a period piece.
• 1:03:47
  It's a movie about black America.
• 1:03:49
  It's a movie about what their experience was like in the south and it pulls
• 1:03:53
  in all this culture and everything.
• 1:03:56
  And it's not just like get out where it's like we live in a house and they
• 1:03:59
  live in a house over there and they're gonna steal your body or the other ones.
• 1:04:04
  There's so much depth to this film, which makes it phenomenal.
• 1:04:08
  But I really do think the ending really cinch the deal.
• 1:04:10
  If you guys, I'm not gonna mention, because some people probably will listen
• 1:04:13
  to this without having seen sinners.
• 1:04:15
  Jon: this is the least we've ever spoiled a movie.
• 1:04:18
  Kearns: Yeah, probably.
• 1:04:19
  And I think that's by design, to be honest with you.
• 1:04:21
  I don't wanna spoil this movie.
• 1:04:22
  Um, give this a 4.5, I give it a 4.5.
• 1:04:27
  Ryan: 4.75?
• 1:04:28
  Kearns: Nah, and I can't go up to 4, 7, 5.
• 1:04:30
  Buddy, you went down to 4, 7, 5, so that's good.
• 1:04:33
  Ryan: I mean you can, oh, no, no.
• 1:04:35
  It's written down.
• 1:04:36
  Kearns: It's not a perfect, it's not a perfect movie.
• 1:04:38
  There's some, there's some smears in it and stuff like that.
• 1:04:41
  And I really do think the worst part of this movie is Michael v Jordan's acting.
• 1:04:45
  really do.
• 1:04:46
  But Coogler crushes it in this, the ensemble, the rest of the cast,
• 1:04:49
  too many to name all have breakout performances, best performances
• 1:04:53
  you could ever hope to expect.
• 1:04:55
  the level of detail in the wardrobe and everything else is an unbelievable movie.
• 1:05:01
  I would've loved to see this win best picture this year.
• 1:05:04
  Obviously I want Train Dreams to win, but that's because that hits me so
• 1:05:07
  uniquely as at where I am in life and the, and I worked on the railroad and
• 1:05:12
  the movies, got the railroad and it's a period piece and all that crap.
• 1:05:16
  But I would've been delighted to see Sinners win over, won Battle.
• 1:05:20
  I think it's a better movie.
• 1:05:21
  I just do.
• 1:05:22
  Jon: I do too,
• 1:05:23
  Ryan: Yes,
• 1:05:24
  Kearns: and
• 1:05:24
  Jon: and I, I, I love one battle,
• 1:05:26
  Kearns: yeah, one battle's good too.
• 1:05:28
  But yeah, I mean, I wasn't doing devil's advocate, I was just being super critical
• 1:05:31
  of what I was critical of for the movie
• 1:05:33
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 1:05:34
  Kearns: the show.
• 1:05:34
  But it's, it is a fantastic
• 1:05:36
  Jon: But I think, it works to have a balance too, with how
• 1:05:40
  much Ryan and I liked sinners.
• 1:05:43
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:05:43
  Kearns: Piece
• 1:05:43
  Jon: It's good.
• 1:05:45
  It's good to have a little bit of balance in there, or else it's
• 1:05:47
  just, you know, now an hour and 10 minutes of us raving about a movie.
• 1:05:52
  Kearns: I don't want people listening to think that that's what I was doing.
• 1:05:55
  It's just, I wanted to make sure that I got
• 1:05:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Kearns: home on the,
• 1:05:59
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Kearns: talk about Remic, um, doing the Irish, the, uh, the jig.
• 1:06:03
  Because you brought up, you brought up Well, yeah.
• 1:06:07
  When he's river dancing, and I was like, the Irish weren't slave owners.
• 1:06:10
  'cause John brought up the fact that Remic isn't a racist.
• 1:06:13
  Ryan: Nope.
• 1:06:13
  Kearns: if you're watching the movie, it, and you're me, and you're, and
• 1:06:17
  I'm not fully Irish or anything, but you're watching it and you're going,
• 1:06:19
  wait, but that, that makes it seem like the Irish were slave owners.
• 1:06:23
  Were they racist?
• 1:06:24
  Probably a
• 1:06:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:26
  Kearns: they were also not very, they weren't much higher.
• 1:06:29
  On the, social totem pole than black Americans at the
• 1:06:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:33
  Kearns: either.
• 1:06:33
  So like I had a problem with that for such a long time and just doing this show
• 1:06:37
  tonight, John kind of shut me down on that
• 1:06:39
  Jon: Well, I mean, really the first two people he bites are not people
• 1:06:45
  who would've been slave owners either.
• 1:06:47
  Kearns: now.
• 1:06:47
  They're poor whites,
• 1:06:48
  Jon: Yep,
• 1:06:50
  Kearns: they're
• 1:06:50
  Jon: yep.
• 1:06:51
  Kearns: The, usually the most visceral and venomous of the whites,
• 1:06:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:55
  Kearns: whites.
• 1:06:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Well, they, that's who they're competing with.
• 1:06:59
  That's who they, the elites have set the system up for them to compete with,
• 1:07:05
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:07:05
  Kearns: indeed.
• 1:07:07
  Jon: but then that'll get way political and we'd be on here for another hour and
• 1:07:11
  a half if we start going down that route.
• 1:07:13
  Kearns: We're gonna have to roll on the top fives for sure.
• 1:07:15
  'cause we're already long on this episode.
• 1:07:17
  Ryan: All right.
• 1:07:18
  Top fives.
• 1:07:19
  Top fives.
• 1:07:20
  Tonight I went with Top Five Academy Award-winning in which
• 1:07:23
  Hoz took comb an Academy Award.
• 1:07:25
  And we're gonna start off.
• 1:07:26
  This will be quick and painless.
• 1:07:28
  Don't worry.
• 1:07:28
  I prepared for this one.
• 1:07:30
  We're gonna start off with number five at the 72nd Academy Award.
• 1:07:34
  The 72nd Oscars, nominated for best cinematography and best costumes design.
• 1:07:40
  But winning for best art direction was Sleepy Hollow,
• 1:07:43
  Kearns: Oh, I forgot about that.
• 1:07:45
  Ryan: Oh, I was, when I was doing the research, I was
• 1:07:47
  pretty shocked it won an Oscar.
• 1:07:49
  But thinking about it, it was the, um, the art direction was done really well,
• 1:07:54
  but the cinematography, thinking about it like that dread, but like being upstate
• 1:07:59
  New York, it, Tim Burn did it very well.
• 1:08:02
  Kearns: I was gonna say, it's Burton, so that's why.
• 1:08:04
  Ryan: Oh God.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  But it works in that
• 1:08:07
  Jon: It looks like a Burton movie.
• 1:08:09
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:09
  Ryan: hundred percent.
• 1:08:10
  A hundred percent.
• 1:08:11
  Which we're gonna go to number four.
• 1:08:14
  We mentioned it earlier in John's top.
• 1:08:16
  Uh, well slash and Stash.
• 1:08:18
  I'm saying top five, top 10, but, uh, slash and Stash.
• 1:08:21
  And that's at the 90th, Oscars.
• 1:08:24
  winning for original screenplay.
• 1:08:26
  Nominated for best picture.
• 1:08:27
  Best director.
• 1:08:29
  Best actor for Daniel Kalu as, Chris Washington.
• 1:08:32
  That was Get Out, that's at number four, so I slashed it, but you know, I kept it.
• 1:08:41
  Number three,
• 1:08:42
  Kearns: pegged it
• 1:08:43
  Ryan: I no
• 1:08:44
  Kearns: on the board.
• 1:08:44
  He pegged it.
• 1:08:45
  Yep.
• 1:08:46
  Jon: You pegged it.
• 1:08:47
  Kearns: Pegged it real good.
• 1:08:48
  Ryan: I pegged it real good.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  With a Thumbtack, which
• 1:08:51
  Kearns: And then they were saying net out.
• 1:08:55
  I.
• 1:08:56
  Ryan: Number three.
• 1:08:57
  the 15th Oscars.
• 1:08:59
  It was nominated for music scoring and sound recording, but won art direction
• 1:09:03
  and color and cinematography and color.
• 1:09:05
  And that was, Phantom of the Opera.
• 1:09:06
  1943. it was the first universal horror film to win an Oscar, the only one, as
• 1:09:13
  well as the first film to be in color.
• 1:09:16
  you have other movies at the time, mark of Zoro, being one with Tyrone Power.
• 1:09:20
  They tried to change it from black and white to color and it didn't work.
• 1:09:24
  Family of the Opera with Claude Rains did.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah, it's Universal.
• 1:09:29
  Had more money, I think.
• 1:09:30
  Marcus Aro was Warner Brothers, so their colorization didn't, it didn't work.
• 1:09:35
  It did not work.
• 1:09:36
  Which leads to number two, Rosemary's baby.
• 1:09:40
  I'm just gonna give it off.
• 1:09:41
  Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  41st, Oscar.
• 1:09:43
  It was, nominated for best screenplay, which I believe should have.
• 1:09:47
  Lansky did an awesome job, but, supporting actress Ruth Gordon won for
• 1:09:52
  mini cast oft, and that leads to number one named after our podcast, nominated
• 1:09:58
  for Art Direction, but won best visual effects at the 52nd Oscars was Alien.
• 1:10:03
  Kearns: Yeah, that's well deserved win too.
• 1:10:06
  Ryan: Oh, I cinematography.
• 1:10:09
  Should have been up there for it, I feel.
• 1:10:11
  But Art Direction being nominated, school Visual effects at that time for 79.
• 1:10:17
  I am not a shocker.
• 1:10:18
  Kearns: It's a puppet and a guy in a suit and.
• 1:10:20
  Ryan: I,
• 1:10:21
  Kearns: way they made the ship.
• 1:10:23
  Also, people forget the beginning of the movie with them landing and the
• 1:10:26
  atmosphere, the mist and everything.
• 1:10:27
  It was pretty good.
• 1:10:28
  Ryan: oh God.
• 1:10:29
  Kearns: Pretty well done
• 1:10:30
  Ryan: Cameron, Cameron took that award two years later for Aliens.
• 1:10:36
  Kearns: Yeah, he stole it.
• 1:10:37
  Ryan: Well, he, yes he did.
• 1:10:39
  And
• 1:10:39
  Kearns: He stole it.
• 1:10:40
  Ryan: he stole it from the thing.
• 1:10:41
  Oh no, 86 Aliens was 86.
• 1:10:45
  Kearns: The thing in Aliens was the same year.
• 1:10:48
  Ryan: no.
• 1:10:48
  The thing was 82.
• 1:10:49
  Kearns: Oh, I was gonna say, what a freaking travesty
• 1:10:53
  Ryan: I I in that case, what would you choose the thing?
• 1:10:56
  Or
• 1:10:56
  Kearns: the thing is a thing I love Aliens.
• 1:11:00
  Aliens might be one of my favorite, like of that movies in that genre and stuff
• 1:11:04
  like that where it's action horror ish.
• 1:11:08
  That's probably like Terminator and all that stuff.
• 1:11:10
  I think Aliens beats even Terminator one for me.
• 1:11:13
  I love aliens.
• 1:11:15
  Terminator One's a great movie too.
• 1:11:17
  People forget about that.
• 1:11:18
  Like Rocky one versus all the other movies.
• 1:11:20
  It's a different thing.
• 1:11:22
  Ryan: Oh,
• 1:11:22
  Kearns: Terminator One compared to all the other ones.
• 1:11:24
  It's a different thing.
• 1:11:26
  Terminator One is a masterpiece, but aliens
• 1:11:29
  Ryan: horror
• 1:11:29
  Kearns: Oh, I love it so much.
• 1:11:32
  They come out at night mostly.
• 1:11:35
  Ryan: I mean, imagine Cameron saying if they only asked me to do
• 1:11:38
  Alien three, he would've done it.
• 1:11:42
  Kearns: Oh, can you imagine?
• 1:11:43
  Can you imagine?
• 1:11:44
  Ryan: The alien dog from Cameron's mind.
• 1:11:47
  Kearns: Right.
• 1:11:48
  The bull alien, they named it later on.
• 1:11:52
  Because isn't that the one that came outta the cat?
• 1:11:53
  Because,
• 1:11:54
  Ryan: Um, is
• 1:11:56
  Kearns: because
• 1:11:56
  Ryan: cat?
• 1:11:57
  Kearns: Xenos take on the DNA traits of its host creature.
• 1:12:00
  So yeah.
• 1:12:02
  So, yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Isn't that interesting?
• 1:12:04
  Anyway, we could talk about that for about 10 hours.
• 1:12:06
  So we're not gonna John.
• 1:12:10
  Ryan: I,
• 1:12:10
  Jon: Mine's gonna be in a similar vein.
• 1:12:12
  Um, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be really short.
• 1:12:15
  I don't have descriptions of movies because it's all movies you should know.
• 1:12:18
  it's five, technically six nominated and or winning performances.
• 1:12:27
  so my number five, we're gonna go start with this year and
• 1:12:30
  Amy Madigan for weapons, which I mean, I really, really love.
• 1:12:36
  Weapons was such a good movie, but it's so much better because of her performance
• 1:12:42
  that it doesn't work without somebody.
• 1:12:44
  Pulling off that role the way she does.
• 1:12:47
  my number four is Kathy Bates for misery again.
• 1:12:53
  That, menace that she brings to that character really kind of out of nowhere.
• 1:12:59
  Like I, she wasn't a particularly known per actress at that point in time.
• 1:13:04
  And here she is with that menace and fear instilling performance.
• 1:13:11
  my number three is from Shadow of the Vampire.
• 1:13:15
  It's Willam.
• 1:13:15
  Defoe.
• 1:13:16
  Kearns: Oh, nice dude.
• 1:13:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  It's, he's so good in that.
• 1:13:20
  It's such a good movie.
• 1:13:21
  I, it was.
• 1:13:22
  I feel like that's one of the, the horror movies that was pretty ignored.
• 1:13:27
  Kearns: Has he won an Oscar?
• 1:13:29
  Ryan: No,
• 1:13:30
  Jon: to look.
• 1:13:31
  Kearns: Whoa.
• 1:13:32
  Jon: I don't, I don't know.
• 1:13:33
  Ryan: so.
• 1:13:33
  Jon: don't know that that's a no.
• 1:13:34
  He might have one.
• 1:13:37
  Ryan: I'm looking it up.
• 1:13:38
  Jon: I'd have to, I would have to look.
• 1:13:40
  I don't know that off the top of my head.
• 1:13:42
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:13:42
  He was nominated for four Academy Awards,
• 1:13:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:47
  Kearns: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Jon: He has no wins.
• 1:13:50
  That's crazy.
• 1:13:52
  Kearns: dude.
• 1:13:53
  Jon: That's crazy.
• 1:13:54
  Ryan: nominated
• 1:13:54
  Kearns: his face?
• 1:13:55
  Jon: Didn't he play Jesus?
• 1:13:57
  Kearns: Brendan Frazier beat him one year.
• 1:14:00
  Jon: Didn't he play Jesus?
• 1:14:02
  How did he not win for playing Jesus?
• 1:14:05
  Ryan: He didn't
• 1:14:05
  Kearns: my God.
• 1:14:06
  Ryan: get nominated that year for it.
• 1:14:07
  He got nominated for Platoon.
• 1:14:09
  Best Supporting Actor.
• 1:14:10
  Best Supporting Actor for Shadow
• 1:14:12
  Jon: How does he not get nominated for Jesus?
• 1:14:15
  Kearns: JK Simmons.
• 1:14:15
  Beating him for whiplash is okay.
• 1:14:17
  I accept that.
• 1:14:20
  But oh my God,
• 1:14:21
  Ryan: It's
• 1:14:22
  Kearns: I
• 1:14:22
  Ryan: tempo.
• 1:14:23
  Kearns: my tempo.
• 1:14:23
  Ryan: Not my tempo.
• 1:14:26
  Kearns: Oh
• 1:14:26
  Jon: number, my number two is a twofer.
• 1:14:30
  Ryan: Ooh,
• 1:14:31
  Jon: so we're gonna go to Carrie and it's Sissy Spacey and Piper Lori.
• 1:14:35
  Were both nominated that year
• 1:14:37
  Kearns: that's
• 1:14:37
  Jon: and they really, really nailed their roles in that.
• 1:14:40
  And my number one, we're gonna go back to a movie that Ryan brought
• 1:14:43
  up, or, well, that we just discussed.
• 1:14:47
  Aliens and Sigourney Weaver.
• 1:14:50
  Ryan: ooh.
• 1:14:50
  Jon: Best actress, nominee for Aliens.
• 1:14:54
  Kearns: She, yeah, she didn't win it.
• 1:14:55
  Right?
• 1:14:55
  Who beat her that year?
• 1:14:57
  Jon: Uh, I don't know off the top of my head, but she's another
• 1:15:00
  one with no Academy Awards.
• 1:15:02
  Three time loser.
• 1:15:03
  Kearns: a travesty.
• 1:15:04
  Ryan: Yeah, it is.
• 1:15:05
  Jon: Three time loser.
• 1:15:06
  Ryan: bitch.
• 1:15:09
  Three times
• 1:15:11
  Jon: Three time loser.
• 1:15:11
  Ryan: times.
• 1:15:12
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:15:13
  Um, she was nominated
• 1:15:14
  Kearns: She was
• 1:15:15
  Jon: Aliens,
• 1:15:16
  Kearns: right?
• 1:15:16
  Jon: gorillas in the Mist and Working Girl.
• 1:15:19
  Kearns: Oh, Marley Matlin for Children of a Lesser God.
• 1:15:24
  Jon: I mean.
• 1:15:25
  Kearns: Who's I?
• 1:15:28
  I I have trouble with that one because never seen the movie,
• 1:15:32
  but it sounds really bad.
• 1:15:35
  I'm sure it's great.
• 1:15:36
  Jon: That's tough.
• 1:15:37
  She won.
• 1:15:38
  She ends up winning probably because of who she is.
• 1:15:44
  You know, Marley, Maitland,
• 1:15:45
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Jon: and, you know, deaf, uh, it feels like one of those
• 1:15:50
  that the Academy Awards really
• 1:15:53
  Kearns: They had
• 1:15:54
  Jon: would always fall for.
• 1:15:55
  They, they'll always fall for that.
• 1:15:57
  Kearns: You know what?
• 1:15:58
  I saw her in by the way, first was, um, that stupid movie, the Secret or whatever?
• 1:16:03
  No.
• 1:16:03
  Uh, what the bleep do we know?
• 1:16:06
  And she plays the character in it the whole time.
• 1:16:08
  And she's, you know, deaf.
• 1:16:11
  she sounds the way she does in it and all that.
• 1:16:13
  And it adds like a layer to that movie, which is filled with scientific lies.
• 1:16:18
  It's, uh, any who?
• 1:16:21
  Jon: Anyhow,
• 1:16:22
  Kearns: Sigourney.
• 1:16:23
  Jon: top five.
• 1:16:23
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:16:24
  That was a good top five.
• 1:16:25
  Both of you guys.
• 1:16:26
  Ryan: Oh, thank
• 1:16:26
  Kearns: All.
• 1:16:27
  Alright gentlemen, well, I guess that's gonna be us wrapping up sinners.
• 1:16:32
  Ryan: Go.
• 1:16:32
  Sin
• 1:16:33
  Jon: baby.
• 1:16:34
  Ryan: Go sin and have a good night.