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- 0:41Speaker 2: percent American made the Warrior, Wayne Alan Roots.
- 0:56Speaker 3: All right, there we go, ladies and gentleman. Welcome, Welcome,
- 0:59Speaker 3: Welcome day.
- 1:00Speaker 4: I'm seventeen of January twenty twenty five.
- 1:03Speaker 3: My name is Lee Elsie, filling in for Wayne Allen Rude.
- 1:06Speaker 3: Here the first hour. We've only got a weekend to go.
- 1:10Speaker 4: If Biden doesn't blow up the world in a weekend,
- 1:13Speaker 4: Donald Trump has sworn in and things will be much
- 1:19Speaker 4: more Rosie.
- 1:22Speaker 3: For the next four years, that is for sure.
- 1:24Speaker 5: Wayne again, will be back in exactly sixty minutes.
- 1:28Speaker 3: I would like to take a little bit of.
- 1:29Speaker 5: A detour and go back a couple of weeks and
- 1:34Speaker 5: talk about January sixth.
- 1:37Speaker 3: So I was having.
- 1:39Speaker 5: I want to call it an intellectual conversation yesterday with
- 1:43Speaker 5: a good friend of mine who happens to be a
- 1:45Speaker 5: constitutional scholar and a lawyer. So anyway, we're talking about
- 1:49Speaker 5: January sixth, We're talking about all kinds of different things,
- 1:52Speaker 5: and it made me think about history. It made me
- 1:56Speaker 5: think about how we'd look at different things, and we
- 2:01Speaker 5: look at things in the past in almost a romantic way.
- 2:07Speaker 5: And so I sat down yesterday and I wrote a
- 2:10Speaker 5: column which I haven't sent to anybody yet. I don't
- 2:12Speaker 5: know if I'm going to, but sometimes I get inspired
- 2:15Speaker 5: to do that, and I want to share the thoughts
- 2:17Speaker 5: of that column with you this morning, if you don't mind.
- 2:21Speaker 5: And that's looking at January sixth, twenty twenty one, two
- 2:31Speaker 5: hundred years in the future, right viewed from the perspective
- 2:37Speaker 5: of two centuries. Hence, the events of January sixth, twenty
- 2:42Speaker 5: twenty one remained a focal point of debate among historians.
- 2:48Speaker 5: Was it an insurrection driven by discontent or a desperate
- 2:54Speaker 5: bid to reclaim a government perceived as disconnected from the
- 2:59Speaker 5: will of the people. The parallels between this day and
- 3:07Speaker 5: earlier revolutionary acts such as the Boston Tea Party of
- 3:10Speaker 5: seventeen seventy three challenge us to reconsider the fine line
- 3:14Speaker 5: between protest and rebellion.
- 3:19Speaker 3: In the annals of American.
- 3:20Speaker 5: History, the Boston Tea Party party is heralded as an
- 3:25Speaker 5: act of defiance against tyranny. On that December evening, columnists
- 3:32Speaker 5: dressed as Mohawk Indians, boarded ships and threw British tea
- 3:37Speaker 5: into the Boston Harbor. Their grievance was clear, no taxation
- 3:42Speaker 5: without representation. This single event cascaded into a revolution that
- 3:50Speaker 5: birthed the nation. Today, we argue that their actions, though
- 3:56Speaker 5: unlawful by standards of their time, were unjust. Revolution, after all,
- 4:02Speaker 5: is often judged by its outcomes rather than its means.
- 4:09Speaker 5: Thomas Jefferson famously wrote the tree of liberty must be
- 4:13Speaker 5: refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots
- 4:16Speaker 5: and tyrants. To his generation, this was not a call
- 4:20Speaker 5: for endless conflict, but a recognition of the human tendencies
- 4:26Speaker 5: towards complacency under governance. He understood that liberty once was
- 4:34Speaker 5: once one, is not guaranteed, but must be safeguarded by
- 4:39Speaker 5: those vigilant enough to demand it. January sixth, however, presents
- 4:46Speaker 5: a much more complex narrative protesters, rallying around claims of
- 4:53Speaker 5: election irregularities, storm the Capitol, the symbolic heart of American democracy.
- 5:00Speaker 5: Flags flew, chance, echoed, barriers fell. Their motives, like those
- 5:07Speaker 5: of the Boston Patriots, may have been rooted in a
- 5:10Speaker 5: perception of injustice, a belief that their voices were no
- 5:15Speaker 5: longer represented in the political machinery of the republic. Yet,
- 5:21Speaker 5: unlike the Boston Tea Party, their actions disrupted not a
- 5:25Speaker 5: foreign oppressor but their own government, a government they believed
- 5:30Speaker 5: had strayed from its constitutional roots. Historical records show that
- 5:36Speaker 5: revolutionary acts are often chaotic and misunderstood in their time.
- 5:42Speaker 5: Consider the Chay's Rebellion of seventeen eighty six, where discontented
- 5:48Speaker 5: farmers rose against economic injustices and post revolutionary America, or
- 5:53Speaker 5: the Whiskey Rebellion of seventeen ninety four, tested the young
- 5:56Speaker 5: government's authority to enforce its own law, US, further shaping
- 6:01Speaker 5: than nation's early trajectory. Both events involved citizens' challenging authority,
- 6:09Speaker 5: and both left legacies that, while controversial, contributed to the
- 6:14Speaker 5: evolution of American governance. January sixth, however, occurred in an
- 6:22Speaker 5: era where the mechanism of Ford redress seemed or seems
- 6:30Speaker 5: more robust seemed for writing the two hundred years in
- 6:33Speaker 5: the future. Critics argue that avenues existed to challenge perceived
- 6:39Speaker 5: electoral grievances without resorting to physical confrontation.
- 6:45Speaker 3: To its detractors.
- 6:48Speaker 5: The storming of the Capitol was not a fight for liberty,
- 6:51Speaker 5: but a breakdown of the social contract. Yet to its defenders,
- 6:58Speaker 5: it was a desperate attempt to awaken a political elite
- 7:01Speaker 5: that viewed they viewed as unresponsive to all of their concerns.
- 7:07Speaker 5: History also reminds us that the judgment of revolutionary acts
- 7:14Speaker 5: is rarely immediate. At the time, loyalists decried the Boston
- 7:21Speaker 5: Tea Party as vandalism and sedition. The British Parliament responded,
- 7:26Speaker 5: punishing Massachusetts and escalating tensions. Only with the perspective of
- 7:32Speaker 5: victory did the colonist's actions take on the sheen of heroism.
- 7:39Speaker 5: January sixth two may be seen different as the decades unfold.
- 7:46Speaker 5: If future generations perceive it as a pivotal moment in
- 7:50Speaker 5: a broader struggle for accountability or reform, its reputation may
- 7:56Speaker 5: actually shift. Two hundred years from now. Historians may debate
- 8:02Speaker 5: Whether the events of January sixth were the birth pangs
- 8:06Speaker 5: of a renewed commitment to liberty or the desperate cries
- 8:11Speaker 5: of a nation divided. The narratives will depend upon the outcomes.
- 8:17Speaker 5: Whether the Republic learned from this moment and became stronger,
- 8:22Speaker 5: or whether it fractured further under the weight of its divisions.
- 8:28Speaker 5: Jefferson's words echo across the centuries, urging us to consider
- 8:33Speaker 5: the delicate balance between order and liberty. The tree of
- 8:38Speaker 5: liberty must be refreshed, he wrote, But he did not
- 8:43Speaker 5: say how often nor at what cost. Whether January sixth
- 8:50Speaker 5: is remembered as an act of tyranny or a cry
- 8:54Speaker 5: for freedom depends, as always on the perspective of the
- 8:59Speaker 5: historian and the lessons the nation chooses to learn from it.
- 9:06Speaker 5: January sixth, what do you think will history show that
- 9:20Speaker 5: they are revolutionaries, patriots or insurrectionists?
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- 14:54Speaker 8: The show is Warwayne will be here after the top
- 14:56Speaker 8: of the hour, one of our all time favorite guests
- 14:58Speaker 8: to bring on here on the national stage as former Congressman,
- 15:01Speaker 8: former CIA agent, Vietnam veteran's name, but just a few
- 15:05Speaker 8: things he's done in his life.
- 15:06Speaker 3: His name is Rob Simmons. We call him the Colonel.
- 15:07Speaker 5: So, Colonel, I know you've been watching with incredible interest
- 15:11Speaker 5: these hearings, and I want to ask you about Pete
- 15:13Speaker 5: Heg Seth and I want you to if you can
- 15:16Speaker 5: give me your assessment of him.
- 15:17Speaker 3: We have these hearings.
- 15:18Speaker 9: We got these hearings, and one of the big hearings,
- 15:21Speaker 9: you know, was the Hedge Seth hearing.
- 15:24Speaker 3: You sure you said that right, Hedge, You sure you
- 15:26Speaker 3: said that, I'm positive. How about you. No, let's just
- 15:30Speaker 3: call him Pete.
- 15:31Speaker 1: Pete.
- 15:31Speaker 9: Let's go cheasier to say, hey, Pete, be my man.
- 15:34Speaker 9: Pete can't do it, No one can.
- 15:36Speaker 3: So it's hedge Seth. Is that what you're saying?
- 15:37Speaker 9: Hedge seth?
- 15:38Speaker 3: Hedge a heads?
- 15:39Speaker 9: You got sprigs and twigs out there doing magic? Do
- 15:43Speaker 9: you have a hedge in your yard?
- 15:45Speaker 3: You have a head?
- 15:46Speaker 5: You know what emails I've gotten to people giving me
- 15:48Speaker 5: advice on how to say it.
- 15:49Speaker 3: I know how to say it. I'm just having fun.
- 15:53Speaker 9: So here's Pete and here in New York Times. My wife, Heidi,
- 15:56Speaker 9: she's she's been very busy feeding me all the right
- 16:00Speaker 9: information right New York Times, David Brooks New York Times title,
- 16:04Speaker 9: we deserve Pete headseth, Holy gud?
- 16:08Speaker 1: Wow?
- 16:10Speaker 3: Is that positive?
- 16:11Speaker 9: I feel it sounds good. I feel like it's a
- 16:14Speaker 9: rat trap. You feel like you're a little cheese. Got
- 16:17Speaker 9: a little cheese on the headline here, So I grab it. Hey, honey,
- 16:20Speaker 9: this is great, This is awesome and okay. So he
- 16:23Speaker 9: starts off with some realities. Realities. The Secretary General of NATO,
- 16:28Speaker 9: Mark Route said the West is not prepared for the
- 16:32Speaker 9: challenges over the next five years. It's time to quote
- 16:35Speaker 9: shift to a wartime mindset unquote, Hey warriors, wartime.
- 16:41Speaker 3: Let's do it.
- 16:42Speaker 9: This is going to be great. Oh yeah, I mean
- 16:44Speaker 9: they're gonna fire David Brooks. And then recent American defense
- 16:48Speaker 9: strategy says, we only have to fight one war, but
- 16:51Speaker 9: we need to fight three or four regional wars at
- 16:53Speaker 9: the same time. Okay, are we ready for that? No,
- 16:58Speaker 9: here's another one a week. Industrial bay has hollowed out
- 17:01Speaker 9: American resilience. China shipbuilding has two hundred and thirty times
- 17:08Speaker 9: greater capacity than us. Hey, where's two sub Joe, he's
- 17:13Speaker 9: in charge. How come he let the Chinese get ahead
- 17:17Speaker 9: of us that much?
- 17:18Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 17:19Speaker 9: Incredible. So all of this is lining up on the
- 17:22Speaker 9: Chinese are building gigantic amphibious landing craft for an invasion
- 17:27Speaker 9: of Taiwan. You're going to go online google Chinese amphibious
- 17:31Speaker 9: landing craft and you know what You'll find these huge
- 17:34Speaker 9: ships to carry thousands and thousands of Chinese regulars over
- 17:39Speaker 9: to Taiwan to spread death and destruction.
- 17:42Speaker 2: And h R.
- 17:42Speaker 9: McMaster said, Chinese are laying the groundwork for a first
- 17:46Speaker 9: strike nuclear capability against the United States. So all of
- 17:49Speaker 9: this leads me to believe that we need Pete. We
- 17:53Speaker 9: need somebody who's going to get rid of the DEI
- 17:56Speaker 9: and do the wartime ethic.
- 17:58Speaker 3: But then.
- 18:00Speaker 9: He says, if you're a Democrat trying to sink the nomination,
- 18:03Speaker 9: you would think you'd want to ask substantive questions on
- 18:07Speaker 9: life or death issues. But did this happen. No, it didn't.
- 18:12Speaker 9: And you must be living under the illusion that we
- 18:15Speaker 9: live in a serious country.
- 18:17Speaker 1: We do not know.
- 18:18Speaker 9: We live in a soap opera country. We live in
- 18:21Speaker 9: a social media, cable TV country where endless culture war
- 18:26Speaker 9: gets voters riled up. The world is on fire. And
- 18:32Speaker 9: what does Pete worry about wokeness in the military. Ah,
- 18:37Speaker 9: so you see he brought us in and now he's
- 18:40Speaker 9: sticking it to Pete. But when you talk about wokeness
- 18:44Speaker 9: in the military and then you defend meritocracy, what do
- 18:48Speaker 9: you act? What's Pete actually saying? Hey, this wokeness undermines meritocracy.
- 18:55Speaker 9: That's why even though we have a paid military, you
- 19:00Speaker 9: can't you don't have a draft anymore. And for a
- 19:02Speaker 9: while there, people are signing up like crazy. After nine
- 19:05Speaker 9: to eleven. They signed up after some of these crises abroad,
- 19:08Speaker 9: they sign up. Now we can't get anybody to join.
- 19:11Speaker 9: Why can't we get anybody to join because they don't
- 19:14Speaker 9: want to join a military that's goofy, where your warfighters
- 19:19Speaker 9: are not rewarded. But the people that command a BMD,
- 19:23Speaker 9: which is a big metal desk, they get promoted. They
- 19:27Speaker 9: go to the top, right like silly Millie, okay, he said.
- 19:32Speaker 9: At the hearing, Democrats played their own culture war games,
- 19:38Speaker 9: obsessed about women in combat and attacking Pete for drinking, accusations,
- 19:46Speaker 9: sexual assaults, threats to lgbt Q rights, and veterans benefits drinking.
- 19:54Speaker 9: Can you imagine the military having somebody drinking? Oh wait
- 19:59Speaker 9: a minute, how Ulysses ays Grant? How did he do?
- 20:02Speaker 9: And what did Abraham Lincoln say when his general came
- 20:05Speaker 9: and said, hey, guy, Grant, he drinks whiskey. He drinks
- 20:09Speaker 9: too much whiskey. You gotta fire him. And Lincoln said,
- 20:12Speaker 9: find out what whiskey is drinking and send a case
- 20:15Speaker 9: to all my other generals. Get them all drinking the
- 20:18Speaker 9: name whiskey, because that guy's winning the war.
- 20:20Speaker 3: And of course, Colonel, that is the most important thing.
- 20:25Speaker 3: Having a lethal fighting force that can win a war.
- 20:29Speaker 3: All right, we got to take a break, Rob, Thanks
- 20:31Speaker 3: as always for stopping by. As appreciate you. Come right back.
- 20:33Speaker 5: Everybody stick around. We'll go to Stephen Bucci from the
- 20:36Speaker 5: Heritage Foundation. Next.
- 20:37Speaker 3: Keep it here. You're listening to the top media network.
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- 21:47Speaker 5: All right, welcome back Talk Media Network. My name is
- 21:50Speaker 5: le LC filling in the first hour here for Wayne
- 21:53Speaker 5: Allen Root. This is of course war. One of our
- 21:56Speaker 5: favorite guests to bring on is Colonel Stephen Bucci forty
- 22:00Speaker 5: plus years of military service, and you can find him
- 22:03Speaker 5: at the Heritage Foundation, Heritage dot Org, Espucci on the.
- 22:06Speaker 3: X all great places to follow him.
- 22:08Speaker 5: For sure. Definitely follow him on the X. There's a
- 22:11Speaker 5: lot of good information there. I do want to go
- 22:14Speaker 5: back a little bit. I want to ask you about
- 22:17Speaker 5: January sixth, twenty twenty one. I want to ask you
- 22:20Speaker 5: what you were feeling after all of that, watching all
- 22:24Speaker 5: of that unfold on television, to get your thoughts on
- 22:27Speaker 5: just a general sense of this. We've talked about this
- 22:29Speaker 5: before in the past, but the anniversary has come and
- 22:31Speaker 5: gone and I want to, you.
- 22:33Speaker 3: Know, go down memory lane with you a little bit
- 22:35Speaker 3: on that one. Stephen.
- 22:37Speaker 10: I'll be honest with you, and some people might not
- 22:39Speaker 10: like this. I got concerned not you know, I heard
- 22:44Speaker 10: Trump's comments, you know, at the speech he was given
- 22:47Speaker 10: on the Ellipse and I was like, uh, okay, no
- 22:53Speaker 10: big deal. And then they switched to the pictures of
- 22:57Speaker 10: what was already going on before President Trump ever said
- 23:02Speaker 10: those things, And you could see the folks there at
- 23:07Speaker 10: the Capitol, and I thought some of them at least
- 23:11Speaker 10: were going too far. You know, when they started going
- 23:14Speaker 10: over the barriers, you know, beat down the doors and
- 23:18Speaker 10: that stuff. They shouldn't have done that. That's you know, look,
- 23:23Speaker 10: it's post nine to eleven America. You don't you know,
- 23:27Speaker 10: people would say, well, it's the people's house. No, We've
- 23:30Speaker 10: had restrictions on access to the Capitol since nine to eleven.
- 23:35Speaker 10: And I mean, if you go there as a tourist,
- 23:38Speaker 10: it takes you a while to get into the building,
- 23:40Speaker 10: right though, the idea that you could just come up
- 23:44Speaker 10: to the doors, beat on them and get in that
- 23:47Speaker 10: was stupid. It was over the top, and it was
- 23:51Speaker 10: not something that really covered the conservative movement with glory.
- 23:57Speaker 10: Now that's not to say that what they did was
- 24:00Speaker 10: a darned insurrection. You know, you had the majority the
- 24:05Speaker 10: people were basically acting like tourists. They're just wandering around there.
- 24:11Speaker 10: You know, We've got lots of information about cops saying, oh, okay,
- 24:15Speaker 10: we opened the door because we didn't want to break
- 24:17Speaker 10: the door. Okay, that's a choice you made. But how
- 24:21Speaker 10: are the people then supposed to know when the cops
- 24:23Speaker 10: are waving them in that what they're doing is somehow,
- 24:27Speaker 10: you know, going to be catamount to the Civil War.
- 24:32Speaker 10: So it was a combination. I think there were a
- 24:35Speaker 10: few people who went over the top, and there they
- 24:40Speaker 10: may deserve the convictions that they're facing, but the vast
- 24:45Speaker 10: majority of the people who have been arrested and prosecuted
- 24:50Speaker 10: based on our actions on January sixth in two thousand
- 24:57Speaker 10: and one, they are being treated political prisoners. Uh, you know,
- 25:02Speaker 10: they're they're the prosecutions were over the top, the sentences
- 25:08Speaker 10: have been over the top, the extra judicial treatment that
- 25:13Speaker 10: they've gotten, solitary confinement, that kind of stuff. You know,
- 25:17Speaker 10: this is the same mindset of you know, someone's praying
- 25:24Speaker 10: on the sidewalk outside a U abortion clinic. They're not
- 25:31Speaker 10: blocking the sidewalk, they're you know, they're standing there and
- 25:34Speaker 10: they're praying. They're not haranguing people, they're not throwing things
- 25:37Speaker 10: at people, and somehow they get arrested and thrown in
- 25:42Speaker 10: jail for three or four years, people with no criminal
- 25:46Speaker 10: record at all. Uh. Those kinds of actions by law enforcement,
- 25:51Speaker 10: those kinds of actions by the courts are way over
- 25:54Speaker 10: the top. So do I think that President Trump is
- 25:59Speaker 10: now going to take some steps to try and mitigate
- 26:03Speaker 10: those over the top things. Yeah, I do, and I
- 26:06Speaker 10: think he should. Should there be a blanket pardon for
- 26:09Speaker 10: anybody that was arrested for anything on January sixth, No,
- 26:13Speaker 10: I think some of those people deserve prosecution. They were
- 26:17Speaker 10: breaking chairs, breaking windows, pushing open doors of a federal
- 26:24Speaker 10: building that was secured they were not supposed to be in.
- 26:28Speaker 10: And no, you don't have a right to go into
- 26:30Speaker 10: any federal building you want. Try and walk into Pentagon
- 26:33Speaker 10: now and tell me if that's what you think is
- 26:36Speaker 10: going on there. But at the same time, that lieutenant
- 26:42Speaker 10: and the Capitol police, darn sure shouldn't have shot miss Babbitt.
- 26:47Speaker 10: That was That was murder. That was a cop out
- 26:51Speaker 10: of control and in panic mode deploying a firearm when
- 26:55Speaker 10: he never should have. He's not a hero, you know,
- 26:59Speaker 10: the guy who had the stroke and eventually died. Okay,
- 27:04Speaker 10: that's you know, no one killed him. I'm sorry. That
- 27:08Speaker 10: was not a murder. That was you know, a bad
- 27:11Speaker 10: situation and the guy you know it triggered a physiological response.
- 27:16Speaker 10: There's no evidence that anybody hit him and caused the stroke.
- 27:21Speaker 10: So we've got to get this back on balance. We've
- 27:24Speaker 10: got to if we need to prosecute people, they should
- 27:28Speaker 10: be prosecuted for the specific crimes they did, not some
- 27:32Speaker 10: trumped up, politically motivated, over the top crime, and the
- 27:38Speaker 10: sentences should not be the craziness that people have been
- 27:41Speaker 10: getting so long answer to your short question, brother, sorry.
- 27:44Speaker 3: But it's good.
- 27:46Speaker 10: Some people did some bad stuff and they need to
- 27:49Speaker 10: probably pay a price for that. They've probably already have
- 27:52Speaker 10: paid that price, however, with pre trial confinement and what
- 27:56Speaker 10: they've gotten so far. But there's a ton of people
- 28:00Speaker 10: they deserve to be pardoned because what the Democrat Party
- 28:05Speaker 10: did through government agencies with collusion by a few Republicans
- 28:11Speaker 10: was wrong and not the American justice system at its
- 28:16Speaker 10: finest se me.
- 28:17Speaker 5: And you agree with that each other almost entirely on that,
- 28:20Speaker 5: So I'm with you. My other question I wanted to
- 28:23Speaker 5: ask you about, sort of to go back in time,
- 28:25Speaker 5: is I look at that day and Trump choosing that
- 28:28Speaker 5: day to have that rally. Do you think that was
- 28:32Speaker 5: bad judgment to have a big rally on that day
- 28:35Speaker 5: in Washington.
- 28:36Speaker 10: You know, I don't I honestly don't think Trump expected
- 28:41Speaker 10: the people to do what they did. The folks that
- 28:45Speaker 10: broke into the Capitol. He did not tell them to
- 28:49Speaker 10: break into the Capitol, And I don't think in his
- 28:51Speaker 10: wildest imagination he thought they would. I'm not sure. You know,
- 28:57Speaker 10: he responded quite well enough as far as trying to
- 29:02Speaker 10: dissuade people from it. But on the other hand, it's
- 29:06Speaker 10: not like he was on a walkie talkie to the
- 29:08Speaker 10: people doing it right, So it for him. Even if
- 29:11Speaker 10: he'd gone on TV and said stand down, stand down,
- 29:15Speaker 10: those people weren't watching TV. I don't know what kind
- 29:19Speaker 10: of effect he could have had. But he did try
- 29:23Speaker 10: ahead of time, preemptively to put security in place that
- 29:28Speaker 10: would have allowed a much different outcome, and he was
- 29:33Speaker 10: turned down by the Pentagon, by Nancy Pelosi. People who
- 29:39Speaker 10: have had you know, havn't apologized for any of their
- 29:44Speaker 10: part in it, let alone been prosecuted. And you know,
- 29:48Speaker 10: here the president was impeached again. You know, it's it
- 29:53Speaker 10: is what we've been calling it of late. It is lawfair,
- 29:57Speaker 10: it's wrong. It did not do a serve to this country.
- 30:01Speaker 10: So all the people on the left who were congratulating
- 30:04Speaker 10: themselves of how they were slaying the tyrant, they were
- 30:09Speaker 10: not doing that. They were throwing mud all over the
- 30:12Speaker 10: American people.
- 30:13Speaker 5: I refuse to believe that he sat down with the
- 30:15Speaker 5: proud boys, or he sat down with the oathkeepers and
- 30:19Speaker 5: told them to go crazy.
- 30:21Speaker 3: I don't believe any of that stuff.
- 30:23Speaker 10: I have seen absolutely no evidence of that occurring, and
- 30:28Speaker 10: in my gut, I don't believe it.
- 30:31Speaker 7: Did.
- 30:31Speaker 10: I think there were people who made some stupid decisions,
- 30:36Speaker 10: and we see that. I got to tell you, on
- 30:38Speaker 10: the conservative side of things, sometimes you get folks that
- 30:42Speaker 10: they don't think things out. You know, we've talked about
- 30:45Speaker 10: our conspiracy up here in Michigan. Those guys who were
- 30:49Speaker 10: going to kidnap the governor, right because five or six
- 30:54Speaker 10: of them together could change their magazines on their ar
- 30:57Speaker 10: fifteens really fast, they were going to take over. Seriously,
- 31:02Speaker 10: you guys are morons. What in the world were you
- 31:05Speaker 10: gonna do? Even if you did kidnap the governor, what
- 31:09Speaker 10: do you think they were gonna put you in charge
- 31:11Speaker 10: of the state?
- 31:12Speaker 4: Uh?
- 31:12Speaker 10: And did you really think that the six of you,
- 31:15Speaker 10: we're gonna be able to take on even one barracks
- 31:18Speaker 10: full of Michigan State troopers. Uh No, it's just we
- 31:24Speaker 10: get some people who, as as we would like to say,
- 31:28Speaker 10: shoot before the target pops up. Uh And and they're
- 31:32Speaker 10: not bright, and they're not well meaning. They're they're stupid
- 31:38Speaker 10: and ignorant of our system. And while we may vote
- 31:43Speaker 10: at the same column in national elections, they're not helping
- 31:48Speaker 10: when they do that. That's not how we operate in America.
- 31:52Speaker 10: And uh so, I'm not thrilled with the people who
- 31:56Speaker 10: did the destructive stuff. Regardless of their intent, they were wrong,
- 32:02Speaker 10: but that's not you know, that was maybe three percent
- 32:07Speaker 10: of that crowd that was at the Capitol, and maybe
- 32:11Speaker 10: fifteen percent of the people who went into the capital. So,
- 32:17Speaker 10: you know, if you want to find somebody for going
- 32:19Speaker 10: into the Capitol building when they shouldn't have. If all
- 32:22Speaker 10: they did was walk in the already open doors and
- 32:25Speaker 10: look around, fine find them. But to say that that was,
- 32:29Speaker 10: you know, the biggest threat to democracy in the history
- 32:33Speaker 10: of America is so ludicrous and so demeans things like
- 32:38Speaker 10: the American Civil War that it's ridiculous. It is completely
- 32:44Speaker 10: political theater, and you know, go after the criminals, leave
- 32:50Speaker 10: the rest of the people alone. If you've got to
- 32:52Speaker 10: scold the rest of the people, fine, but that doesn't
- 32:56Speaker 10: make them criminals or dangers to democracy.
- 33:00Speaker 3: A right, Colonel Stephen Bouchie, music is playing.
- 33:02Speaker 5: That means I've got to back on out of here,
- 33:05Speaker 5: at least for this segment.
- 33:05Speaker 3: I appreciate you as always as Bucci on the X.
- 33:08Speaker 4: Follow him there Heritage dot Org you can follow him
- 33:11Speaker 4: there as well.
- 33:12Speaker 3: Always a great follow on both those places.
- 33:16Speaker 5: A lot of information from former United States Army Colonel
- 33:20Speaker 5: Stephen Bucci.
- 33:21Speaker 3: All right, break, We'll come back. Don't you dare go anywhere?
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- 36:35Speaker 5: Final segment here on the last official show here on
- 36:42Speaker 5: the Top Media network, before Trump takes over.
- 36:46Speaker 3: And rights the ship. Joining me right now.
- 36:49Speaker 5: This is an incredible conversation we're about to have.
- 36:53Speaker 3: His name is Jonathan Gross. He's a rabbi.
- 36:56Speaker 5: He's also an attorney, and he's representing a whole bunch
- 36:58Speaker 5: of people down in in Washington, January six ers who
- 37:02Speaker 5: are just getting the worst possible treatment you could ever imagine.
- 37:07Speaker 5: So first, let me say thank you to Rabbi Jonathan
- 37:10Speaker 5: for joining the program.
- 37:12Speaker 6: Oh my pleasure, thank you for having me.
- 37:14Speaker 5: So I just got to ask a real basic question
- 37:16Speaker 5: before we get into some detail ones, because there's maybe
- 37:18Speaker 5: a misconception that you can straighten out. Are some of
- 37:21Speaker 5: these folks still in jail without a trial or a
- 37:25Speaker 5: trial date yet?
- 37:27Speaker 6: Yes, that is a fact. So just an introduction to
- 37:31Speaker 6: tell you give a framework, is that I am a
- 37:34Speaker 6: January sixth attorney and there are a bunch of us.
- 37:36Speaker 6: There's no such thing as a Black Lives Matter attorney
- 37:39Speaker 6: because the Trump administration did not target prestpool protesters and
- 37:45Speaker 6: start rounding them up by the thousands like they're doing
- 37:47Speaker 6: for January sixth. Basically, there's a two tier justice system
- 37:51Speaker 6: where the January six ers were rested normal people. I
- 37:55Speaker 6: could give you names all day. Lisa eisenheartch was one
- 38:00Speaker 6: of the first. She was arrested right away. She was
- 38:02Speaker 6: their grandmother. She was a nurse, no criminal record. They
- 38:07Speaker 6: grabbed her FBI guns blazing, the whole business, and and
- 38:11Speaker 6: and normally a person who was There was no allegations
- 38:14Speaker 6: that she was violent, There was no allegations of anything,
- 38:17Speaker 6: and they threw her into jail pre trial before she
- 38:20Speaker 6: had a trial. Then normally you have to be either
- 38:22Speaker 6: a danger to the community or a flight risk in
- 38:25Speaker 6: order for them to hold you pre trial. It's a
- 38:27Speaker 6: pretty high bar because we're America, and you're innocent until
- 38:31Speaker 6: proven guilty. But the DC Court said a new thing
- 38:36Speaker 6: that for January sixth ers, it's different because they attacked democracy.
- 38:40Speaker 6: So so there are there are people in prison who
- 38:46Speaker 6: pre trial they that that, yeah, for those reasons.
- 38:51Speaker 3: So essentially the Constitution has been thrown out the window
- 38:53Speaker 3: for this.
- 38:54Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of irregularities that have happened, right,
- 38:59Speaker 6: I mean, you see, they do everything within what they
- 39:02Speaker 6: would they would argue as the confines of the law,
- 39:05Speaker 6: and they're very meticulous about that. So so you know,
- 39:10Speaker 6: they'll say, no, no, everything that we did was totally legal.
- 39:13Speaker 6: But all you have to do is compare how these
- 39:16Speaker 6: people have been treated towards every other person ever. And
- 39:19Speaker 6: I'll just give you one very good example that I
- 39:21Speaker 6: give all the time. So there was a Black Lives
- 39:25Speaker 6: Matter protester named Montes Terry Oli, and you could read
- 39:28Speaker 6: online his sentencing memorandum that the government wrote about him.
- 39:32Speaker 6: So this is what the government said. He did, not
- 39:34Speaker 6: his defense attorney, the government. He lit a small business
- 39:40Speaker 6: on fire and burned it to the grounds, and there
- 39:43Speaker 6: was a person inside that business who died. And the
- 39:47Speaker 6: government said that, you know, it's pretty bad what he did.
- 39:50Speaker 6: But in the end, rioting is the language of the unheard,
- 39:55Speaker 6: is what they said. And he's kind of like Martin
- 39:57Speaker 6: Luther King Junior because he was gone from racial justice.
- 40:00Speaker 6: So please be lenient. So that man got he got
- 40:03Speaker 6: ten years. He's in jail now. He's got ten years
- 40:05Speaker 6: in jail. Dominic Pizzola broke a window. They consider him
- 40:10Speaker 6: the worst terrorist as if he flew a plane into
- 40:17Speaker 6: the Twin Towers. He's literally one of what they call
- 40:19Speaker 6: one of the worst January sixth people. Don Miiqueazzola he
- 40:22Speaker 6: also got ten years now. He did not kill anyone.
- 40:26Speaker 6: Nobody died because he broke the window. Christopher Quaglin is
- 40:30Speaker 6: in jail. He's been in jail since April of twenty
- 40:32Speaker 6: twenty one. Pre trial. He spent almost three years in
- 40:35Speaker 6: jail pre trial and then he was sentenced and he
- 40:37Speaker 6: got twelve years. A sentence of twelve years. He according
- 40:41Speaker 6: to the government, this is the allegations. The worst thing
- 40:44Speaker 6: that he did, according to them, is he shoved a
- 40:47Speaker 6: couple of cops. No, he didn't kill anyone, he didn't
- 40:50Speaker 6: do anything. He got twelve years in jail. Ruben Camacho
- 40:54Speaker 6: was a Hamas supporter who was part of a protest.
- 41:00Speaker 6: They sieged the Democratic National headquarters in DC while the
- 41:04Speaker 6: Democrats were in there, and they were all fearing for
- 41:06Speaker 6: their lives. And he punched a female police officer in
- 41:10Speaker 6: the faith and he got community service. He did not
- 41:13Speaker 6: spend one minute in jail. So you know, when when
- 41:17Speaker 6: they say, how, oh I don't support a tax on
- 41:19Speaker 6: law enforcement, and and you know, oh, the violent ones
- 41:23Speaker 6: should pay for it, that's nonsense. It's been completely unfair.
- 41:28Speaker 6: Every single one of these people should go free, even
- 41:31Speaker 6: the worst of them. Whatever you think that they did,
- 41:34Speaker 6: and I will tell you it's nothing compared to what
- 41:36Speaker 6: happened in Black Lives Matter. They've all served their sentences,
- 41:40Speaker 6: they've all paid the price, and they should all go
- 41:43Speaker 6: home immediately.
- 41:45Speaker 5: I was hearing where some of these people are in
- 41:46Speaker 5: solitary confinement or they they have to choose between solitary
- 41:51Speaker 5: confinement or going out in the yard or taking a
- 41:54Speaker 5: shower confinement.
- 41:55Speaker 6: Right, so Bill, even get me started.
- 41:57Speaker 3: That's true then, right?
- 41:59Speaker 6: The DC jam Well, in twenty twenty one, because of
- 42:04Speaker 6: the January six ers, Marjorie Taylor Green went to the
- 42:08Speaker 6: jail and demanded to go in. They wouldn't let her
- 42:10Speaker 6: in and look at it. She demanded it again. She
- 42:12Speaker 6: got in and then because of her US marshals they
- 42:15Speaker 6: had to do an inspection because they were embarrassed. So
- 42:18Speaker 6: they went in and they failed the place, and they said,
- 42:21Speaker 6: this place is tons of violations of civil and human rights.
- 42:25Speaker 6: They're living in open sewage, they're locked down twenty three
- 42:29Speaker 6: hours a day in solitary confinement. The jail guards this
- 42:34Speaker 6: is what the marshals wrote in their report. The jail
- 42:37Speaker 6: guards wrote that they observed jail staff saying to the
- 42:42Speaker 6: prisoners while the marshals were there, Hey, don't snitch or
- 42:46Speaker 6: shut your mouth. That's in the report.
- 42:49Speaker 3: Well listen, Rabbi, I gotta go, but I appreciate you
- 42:51Speaker 3: coming on. Listen. By the time, maybe we talk again
- 42:54Speaker 3: next week. Maybe we will talk next week early next week.
- 42:56Speaker 3: I'll let you get you back on the year.
- 42:58Speaker 5: Maybe by the time Trump gets sworn in, some of
- 43:01Speaker 5: these folks will.
- 43:02Speaker 3: Be part and deservingly So all right, we got aron. Actually,
- 43:05Speaker 3: Wayne is here, he is up next. Keep it right here.
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