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Drive Thru News #41 - Winter Recap: The CyberTruck & a bucket of Chicken! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  You know, I hear it, Tanya.
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  I hear that sultry baritone.
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  What is that sound?
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  We haven't heard it in a while.
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  Welcome to drive thru episode number 41!
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  This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive,
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  motorsport, and random car adjacent news.
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  Now let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
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  We are back!
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  We are coming out of the winter freeze.
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  This is pretty awesome, and I don't think that's true that we're coming
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  out of a winter freeze when it's like 17 degrees out the last few days.
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  I'm down here in the tropics of Richmond where it's 37.
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  What a heat wave!
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  I know, I was out in shorts and a Hawaiian shirt and I was living the life today.
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  Is that the new dad look?
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  Is that how it works after you have the second kid?
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  You get the flip flops and the Hawaiian shirt?
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  Don't forget the socks, socks and sandals, socks and slides, socks and slides.
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  Shout out to Doug Turner.
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  No, no.
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  You got to have the toe thong with your sock.
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  Yeah, it's the Elmo slide.
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  That's what, that's what we're doing up in this piece.
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  The Elmo slide.
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  All right.
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  Let's go.
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  But before we dig in to the showcase, I have breaking news.
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  I received an email from Tesla.
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  They, uh, hacked your account and have all your personal info.
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  They would like you to reset your password.
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  Yes.
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  There was a security breach.
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  And then, no, I'm kidding.
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  Your limited edition foundation series.
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  Cybertruck is ready to order.
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  Did you say limited edition?
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  Limited edition foundation series.
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  Cybertruck is ready to order because I got in with my deposit on day one So i'm
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  one of like the first couple hundred as an early reservation holder You have been
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  invited to order your foundation series cybertruck with early access Two delivery.
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  I'm guessing that means 2027 maybe.
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  I don't know.
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  It says further on that they're delivering trucks in California and Texas and
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  they're delivering as early as 2024.
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  I don't know.
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  Warm climates.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, we'll get into that.
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  We'll get into that.
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  So yeah, I need to call Tesla and get my a hundred dollars back.
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  That's what's going to happen with that.
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  So let's dive into the showcase.
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  If you haven't been able to tell, we are talking about all things, Cybertruck.
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  That's right.
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  I am so glad you're back.
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  This is going to be a hell of a winter recap.
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  Obviously.
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  Congratulations are in order.
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  You had your second son, you know, that's an awesome big event in your
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  life, but maybe not as big as getting the opportunity to pick up this Cybertruck.
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  Yes, yes, yes.
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  So to quote Steven Izzy from our Everything I Learned From Movies episodes,
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  What have we learned over the winter about the Cybertruck now that people
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  are taking delivery of these things?
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  We've learned that they're available, but they're not available.
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  Tesla really doesn't want to sell any because they're trying to offer
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  you money to buy another Tesla.
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  So you don't sit around waiting for a cyber truck that may or may not exist.
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  All the ones that are out there running or doing funky things like crashing
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  and you know, weird things like that.
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  All good things.
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  Let's start with this.
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  You've got that email.
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  Does it give you any details?
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  Are you able to go in and maybe spec it out and figure out
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  how much it's going to cost?
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  Because I've heard some rumors.
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  About what maybe the real price is for these Cybertrucks.
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  So this one's going to be expensive.
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  Your Cybertruck will be fully optioned and will include limited edition laser
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  etched badging, premium accessories, charging equipment with PowerShare
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  home backup hardware, all terrain tires, full self driving capability.
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  Wait, all terrain tires?
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  All terrains.
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  She got hung up on all terrain tires?
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  Wait, what do we mean?
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  The tires that can't get up a hill in the woods?
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  Or when there's, like, snow?
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  V1s.
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  I don't know which all terrain tires they are offering, but they're
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  probably not Duratrax, which means they're probably not very good.
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  Don't ruin it for everybody.
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  But here's the part I thought Tanya would've honed in on.
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  Full.
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  Self.
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  Driving.
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  Capability that's what I thought too.
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  She got hung up on these all terrain tires.
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  I wasn't listening full self driving capability That will need to be
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  recalled before I even take delivery.
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  Yeah, because that's false advertising So maybe I should take
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  this email and just sue tesla.
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  Well, the lawsuit's not over yet.
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  That's why that's why they can still use it I guess but still no
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  talk about what it costs though Well, I can continue to my account.
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  I haven't logged into this in like three years four years Maybe
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  five when was it first announced?
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  With that steampunk kind of like cyberpunk wasn't it in the year before
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  Cove in the year 2000 and the time before yeah, it was like in the before times.
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  Yeah, it was like in the November BC before Cove it Yeah before Cove it.
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  I Was working at that terrible mortgage company a while ago then yeah 2019.
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  Oh man.
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  Wow, so it's been Jeez, five years since you put this deposit.
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  And the one thing that makes your particular deposit special is
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  you actually went full in on the tri motor version of this thing.
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  So it is like the upper echelon of Cybertrucks if it ever comes to fruition.
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  That's why it's the top of the line limited edition.
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  Some are limited to somebody limited to my imagination.
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  What I've read is.
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  They had all these bargain basement prices.
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  Oh, you can get a cyber truck.
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  It's going to be the cheapest truck in town.
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  Blah, blah, blah.
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  50, 000, 60, 000, 30, 000.
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  You know, all these numbers that you never ensure.
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  It's sort of like Christmas time where they double the
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  price and then put it on sale.
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  50 percent off one of those kinds of deals.
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  But I'm reading over a hundred grand for these things.
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  So the all wheel drive foundation series tri motor.
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  Fully loaded 99, 990 before taxes.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, they lost the tax credit, didn't they?
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  So you can't get that.
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  You can get the cyber beast.
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  I can upgrade if I wanted to, to the cyber beast.
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  For 119, 990 stop playing games.
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  Tesla 100, 000 dropping that 10 off does not make it any better.
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  I apparently had very lofty goals for my income.
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  When I put the order on this truck, I will tell you what, but let's
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  put that in perspective though.
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  We already know that pickup trucks are expensive to begin with,
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  but how much truck real truck.
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  Can you buy for a hundred grand these days?
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  I mean, you can get a fully optioned out diesel 3, 500
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  dually or something like that.
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  F two 50 King ranch or something like that.
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  Talk about a beast.
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  That's a real beast, right?
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  Compared to this thing.
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  And we'll get into more of these specifics of what's working and what's not with the
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  cyber truck here is we've learned through the winter months and doing this research.
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  I'm not even done.
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  So yeah, a hundred thousand or 120, 000.
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  But then, but wait, there's more call Now.
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  You can add the range extender for $16,000, so it's 116,000 or $136,000
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  for any of the trim motor versions.
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  Uh, what percentage APR these days?
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  Car loans are for excellent credits and like the five to 7
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  percent range, something like that.
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  And it only goes up from there.
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  Still a lot.
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  Well, you financed it for 30 years, like a mortgage.
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  I mean, when you're talking six figure cars, because remember Tesla not only
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  does their own insurance, but I think they do their own financing too.
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  So, okay.
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  Yeah.
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  The interest rate would be 6.
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  59%.
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  You can do up to 84 months.
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  With a 4, 500 down payment, your monthly payment for seven years on a truck that
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  probably won't last two years is 1, 500.
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  Well, they also do some other financing.
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  Do you guys remember the Tesla Roadster and the thousand people that put money
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  down on that thing like 10 years ago?
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  If you do the math on that, it's like a cool quarter million dollars they got.
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  Tax free.
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  What kind of scheme is it?
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  Like, does it have a name where you get people to put deposits down and
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  you get a million people to put a hundred dollars down and then you
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  use that money to finance yourself and don't give them anything?
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  I believe that's called a sweepstakes.
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  Isn't that what it's called?
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  So this is the Tesla Roadster sweepstake and Cybertruck semi truck.
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  Program.
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  Great.
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  If you order now, we'll throw in a windshield wiper blade.
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  Does it have windshield wipers?
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  Yeah.
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  It's got that one.
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  It's got that one giant windshield wiper.
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  Large one.
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  So we've confirmed that it has side mirrors.
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  Now it doesn't have lasers or sharks with lasers.
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  It kind of looks like a shark toy with lasers on it in a way.
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  We'll talk about the aesthetics here as we go.
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  We already know about the less than 10 microns of panel gap and all that stuff.
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  We've reviewed that in the past.
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  Better than Legos.
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  You know what I'm not seeing?
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  I'm not seeing how to get my 100 back.
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  That's what I'm not seeing.
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  Where's the link for that?
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  You told the Ethos, the great wide interwebs, you would give
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  away your Cybertruck allotment for a bucket of chicken.
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  Has anybody taken you up on this yet?
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  I mean, come on, man.
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  No, I've been waiting for Mark Hewitt to give me a call, and
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  he just has not reached out.
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  So I don't know what's going on with that.
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  Because he's trying to figure out how to buy Dogecoin, because
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  even that doesn't exist anymore.
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  Is your donation to the Tesla Corporation, is that tax
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  deductible on your yearly taxes?
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  It's supposed to be fully refundable.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I, I filed it.
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  I got the tax write off for that back in 2019.
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  This says all prices are shown without incentives or estimated
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  seven year gas savings of 8, 400.
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  Wait, you're only going to save for seven years?
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  And then the gas car, because it says a cyber truck is 900 estimated
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  electricity per year versus a gasoline cars, 2, 100 estimated gas costs at
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  13, 000 miles, three 30 a gallon.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Let's stop.
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  Hold on.
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  Yeah.
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  All that's great.
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  That's well and good, but imagine this you fit in a GR Corolla, right?
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  I do not have any answer for that.
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  They're going to compare it against an F 150 triple duty quad cab.
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  Fine, fine, shenanigans.
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  Okay.
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  But what I'm saying is for the rest of us, normal humans, especially those of us
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  that are automotive enthusiasts, listening to this, the GR series cars are hot.
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  Whether you're into the 86 or the super or the Corolla or the Yaris or any of those,
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  let's just say Toyota's the place to go.
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  If you want a hot hatch or a sports car right now from the.
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  Not American market.
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  So let's just say you pick up a Corolla for 40, 000.
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  Cybertruck's 100, 000.
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  You can't tow anything with either of them.
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  You can actually probably get more in the back of that Corolla
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  hatchback than the Cybertruck.
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  How much are you actually spending on gas after seven years on a GR Corolla?
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  Even if you bought that.
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  What is it?
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  The meat Sano edition or whatever that thing is that they have the special
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  one, add another 10 grand to it.
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  You're still going to come out on top with a gas car.
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  It's sort of like when we would debate diesel versus gas and people were
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  like, I'm not buying a diesel truck because there's a 20, 000 tax on it.
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  And I'm never going to recoup the amount of diesel.
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  Cause diesel's more expensive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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  blah, all this kind of stuff.
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  I'm wondering if this debate about some of these EVs, especially really expensive
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  ones like this, is it really worth?
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  Buying the EV when you can buy, let's say a couple year old off lease
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  Mercedes Benz, that's depreciated, have a really nice car money left over.
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  How much gas are you going to buy in that seven year period?
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  Let's say if you own a Mercedes, I do have a correction to make though.
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  Breaking news.
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  My foundation series is not the tri motor cyber beast.
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  Oh, it's just the dual motor.
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  So the dual motor is a hundred thousand dollars.
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  When the dual motor was supposed to be 80, 000 when they first announced it.
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  Do we have a countdown timer for this?
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  Like we did with the DeLorean.
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  Do you remember that?
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  That we need the same thing for you.
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  Oh, the stopwatch was stopped back in 2019 because I'm not actually ever going
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  to pick up one of these fucking things.
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  No, because you want a bucket of chicken for this.
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  Yes.
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  I want a bucket of chicken.
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  I will even take a bucket 2019.
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  You know what?
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  No, I want.
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  When it was first announced, one of the day one Popeye's had that chicken
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  sandwich that was sold out and people were like stabbing each other for him.
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  I want one of those, give me one of those Popeye's chicken sandwiches and
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  you can have my a hundred dollars.
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  So you're saying that's worth more than your cyber truck a lot, man.
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  I, I, yeah, yes, yes, exactly.
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  Even if you did get your cyber truck, I'm going to convince you to buy
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  this thing by the time it's over.
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  Right.
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  This is like our little, what should I buy here?
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  You're not going to convince my wallet to buy it.
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  You only get one car to buy.
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  It's a cyber truck, but you only get one car to buy.
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  And it's the cyber truck.
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  I guess I'm riding my bicycle cyber bike.
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  Think of the mulch you can haul or you can't haul.
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  Apparently we'll talk about that too.
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  If you did take delivery of this thing, let's say you set up all the financing
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  and you're making your payments and all this kind of stuff, and you could,
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  I got my cyber truck and you decide in three months, you want to get rid of it.
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  There was a bunch of, again, shenanigans are the words I'm going
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  to use here about whether or not you could actually unload the car,
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  trade it in, get rid of it, sell it.
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  Were you going to get sued?
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  Aren't you going to get sued?
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  I still don't know the answer to this.
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  I don't know either.
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  I would assume you would get sued, but it depends.
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  I think if you try to flip it for more than you paid, like if I took it to
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  CarMax and said, Hey, will you take this?
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  First of all, they won't take it.
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  But second of all, If CarMax was to take it, I certainly wouldn't get market value.
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  I'd get below market value for it.
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  So I don't think Tesla would have a problem with that.
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  I think they're trying to stop the people that are taking their day one
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  investment and flipping it to somebody else for 150, 200, 000, which is what I
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  was hoping to do until I couldn't even get it about to get a chicken for it.
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  You mentioned before that they're offering people a thousand bucks
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  to change their reservations over.
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  Is that in the system?
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  Can you do that now?
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  Can you convert that to a.
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  Isla model three reservation instead?
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  Not anymore.
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  I could only have done that by end of year last year.
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  That's really timely too, because they just announced that they're
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  going to be restyling the model three.
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  So if you missed that window and said, you know what the heck with
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  the cyber truck, I want to get that new model three that's coming out.
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  Now you're sort of stuck.
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  But with again, what you got, uh, okay.
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  So that's out the window.
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  That's no fun.
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  You can't sell it.
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  You can't get a thousand bucks for it.
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  You can't get the economic rebate from the government for it.
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  The price went up because of inflation from the day they announced it.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  What are you going to do?
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  What are you to do?
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  Well, you're going to buy a bucket of chicken because you're hungry,
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  but nobody's going to give it to you for that Cybertruck allotment.
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  We've established that.
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  I'm going to get my a hundred dollars back and then I'm going to buy a
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  hundred dollars worth of chicken.
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  And I'm going to share it with my closest friends.
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  And I think this next article sort of hits this idea right on the head,
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  which is the Cybertruck is just another bloated EV that misses the
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  point of being green transportation.
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  And this is written by like an IT blog or whatever.
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  And so they're comparing the Cybertruck to the F 150 and the
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  Rivian R1T and all this kind of stuff.
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  I have this like, dodoy moment when I look at this because it is not functional.
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  And this does give us an opportunity to talk about the aesthetics of the truck.
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  I haven't seen one in person yet.
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  You know, there's rumors people have seen them and that they're
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  out there and this and that.
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  And you see the videos like on YouTube and stuff.
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  I don't know what to think.
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  I don't know who to believe when people say, Oh, it's so amazing.
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  It looks so good.
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  What do you consider ugly?
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  Right?
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  I guess I need to phrase it that way because I don't see the beauty.
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  I can understand someone in the art community trying to explain to me why you
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  bism and all the Picasso and the melting clocks and all this stuff is beautiful.
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  Okay, great.
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  But I don't see the beauty in this thing.
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  I think beautiful is.
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  The wrong word.
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  There's nothing beautiful about it.
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  There are very few cars these days that are beautiful.
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  But why would you buy this thing?
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  Is it just ironic?
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  Is it like those memes that I don't understand?
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  Because in that very peak, it looks like it's got a lot of headroom for the driver.
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  That's all I care about.
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  Have you seen anybody?
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  sit in it?
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  No.
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  It's like a Supra.
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  You're on the slope side of the roof.
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  So there is no headroom.
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  Oh, well, that's dumb.
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  It's so weird.
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  I don't even know how you see out of these.
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  I don't get it.
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  It's so when you flip it over, you can spin it around when
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  you flip it on the trail.
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  So yeah, it's just another bloated truck.
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  Bloated EV.
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  Not good as a truck.
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  There you go.
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  It's not good as an EV.
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  What is it good as?
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  Well, I don't know because let's talk about that all wheel drive system
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  and those fabulous all terrain tires that Tanya got so excited about.
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  Have you seen these videos of the few Cybertrucks that are out in the snow?
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  None of them.
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  I haven't seen the ones in the snow, but I saw the one that wrecked.
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  That was a while ago, but these ones in the snow, I mean, you can see See the
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  all wheel drive trying to do something.
• 16:59
  There's definitely some latency from front to back because obviously
• 17:02
  the systems aren't connected.
• 17:03
  It's not like quattro or like a Jeep or something like that.
• 17:06
  There's no mechanical all wheel drive here.
• 17:07
  It's all digital, right?
• 17:08
  These all terrain tires must be slicks because they don't work.
• 17:12
  And then the hilarious video was over on jalopnik and the cyber truck gets
• 17:16
  pulled out by like a regular F three 50.
• 17:19
  Looked like he was just off the showroom.
• 17:20
  Like nothing special.
• 17:21
  It's not like he had a lift kit, you know, 93 inch tires with big foot knobs on her.
• 17:26
  Hold the Cybertruck out.
• 17:27
  And the Cybertruck's not light by any stretch of the imagination, but
• 17:30
  that's something to be said too.
• 17:31
  You have a heavy vehicle in the snow.
• 17:33
  It should kind of like, let's say, push itself down into the ground.
• 17:35
  If you have decent tires, you should be able to get around, but
• 17:38
  it can't get out of its own way.
• 17:39
  It looks like snow and ice is stuck in the grooves of the tires.
• 17:43
  So basically you've created a slick.
• 17:45
  I'm assuming it doesn't have a low range transfer case.
• 17:48
  Well, why would it?
• 17:49
  It's all digital, right?
• 17:50
  There's no real all wheel drive system in there.
• 17:53
  I know, I know.
• 17:54
  I bet an Audi could get out of that hole.
• 17:55
  I mean, that second video where he's kind of going up the driveway and
• 17:59
  you see him just like the back ends like fishtailing and stuff and it's
• 18:03
  just trying to crab walk its way up.
• 18:04
  To your point, I think a Audi could do that.
• 18:08
  My Jeep could definitely do that.
• 18:09
  There's a lot of other four wheel drive vehicles that could do it.
• 18:11
  So you're paying all this extra money for dual motor, tri motor, whatever for what?
• 18:16
  To have a bunch of extra stuff in the rain?
• 18:19
  This thing could be front wheel drive and I guess it'd
• 18:21
  be like the new Aztec, I guess.
• 18:22
  To be fair, a lot of vehicles would get stuck like that, though.
• 18:26
  It depends on how you're driving it.
• 18:27
  It depends on if you've got a low range.
• 18:29
  I think your Jeep's got a 4 low that you can put it in, which is, it's
• 18:32
  different gearing and changes the power delivery, which is necessary
• 18:36
  in snow and stuff like that.
• 18:37
  You know what?
• 18:38
  This reminds me of on Top Gear, they used to make fun of the BMW X5s.
• 18:41
  Yeah.
• 18:42
  Because the all wheel drive system in those was not very good.
• 18:45
  If they had appropriate tires or maybe they should put chains on their tires.
• 18:48
  Kind of defeats the purpose though.
• 18:49
  My truck would probably look like that.
• 18:51
  with an empty bed with no weight over the rear.
• 18:53
  I guess the battery's in the rear though.
• 18:54
  I'm not impressed though.
• 18:55
  And I don't think a lot of people are, and you know what
• 18:57
  else really isn't impressive.
• 18:59
  We've talked about it many times before, which are these stupid
• 19:02
  drag races, Tesla versus the world.
• 19:04
  And this latest one is just, I don't even know what to say.
• 19:08
  It's just a spectacle.
• 19:10
  I also heard that it was a complete farce and it's.
• 19:13
  Mostly produced and or staged.
• 19:14
  So it's a Cybertruck that's trailering a 911.
• 19:18
  Drag racing a 911.
• 19:20
  And what am I supposed to take away from this?
• 19:22
  Who won?
• 19:23
  Well, who do you think won?
• 19:24
  And they were doing a what, quarter mile?
• 19:26
  Quarter mile drag race.
• 19:27
  I would assume an electric vehicle can get up to the quarter mile faster.
• 19:31
  But again, what is the point?
• 19:33
  Who cares?
• 19:34
  It wasn't even a tea can?
• 19:35
  No!
• 19:36
  It was a regular gas 9 11.
• 19:38
  Both are base level 9 11 Carreras.
• 19:40
  So, no additional power or anything like that.
• 19:43
  It's just a base 9 11.
• 19:44
  Which is still no slouch.
• 19:46
  It's 350, 400 horsepower in the base level 9 11, so.
• 19:49
  Tesla and Porsche go back and forth all the time with who's better.
• 19:53
  I don't know why.
• 19:54
  Yeah, but you don't see a 911 towing a Model 3 or a take hand towing a Model 3.
• 19:58
  It doesn't make any sense.
• 19:59
  Cayenne.
• 20:00
  So that's what they should have done.
• 20:02
  That's what Porsche needs to come back with.
• 20:04
  With a Cayenne Turbo towing a Model 3.
• 20:06
  And blowing this thing out of the water.
• 20:08
  Publicity stunt for the sake of publicity stunts.
• 20:11
  To me, it doesn't make any sense.
• 20:12
  It's just another stupid Tesla drag race.
• 20:14
  As far as I'm concerned.
• 20:15
  Yep.
• 20:16
  If you didn't think things could get any stupider.
• 20:18
  No, wait, you have to go back to Brad's Foundation Edition.
• 20:21
  You haven't talked about the range it's going to get.
• 20:23
  Oh, oh?
• 20:24
  There's a gentleman out there in the world who also, I guess, put a day one
• 20:28
  reservation in and has his Foundation Edition Cybertruck, decided to take
• 20:33
  it on a 27 hour, 1, 340 mile road trip from Austin, Texas to California.
• 20:39
  And he had to stop 12 times to recharge it.
• 20:44
  At 30 minutes of charge, that's wow, an additional, I'm assuming you
• 20:50
  took a longer than 27 hours then.
• 20:53
  Yeah.
• 20:53
  I mean, that's like 111 miles per chart.
• 20:57
  Like what?
• 20:58
  Yeah, that's not good.
• 20:59
  That is terrible.
• 21:00
  So here it says 318 mile range estimated or 340 mile range with the all season
• 21:07
  tires, which are available to purchase.
• 21:10
  So those trucks that you saw may not even have the all terrain,
• 21:13
  they may just have all seasons.
• 21:14
  Oh man.
• 21:15
  Which are not good anyway.
• 21:17
  And also apparently the truck doesn't fit well to the charger, and so it
• 21:21
  basically maxes out the cable length.
• 21:23
  The Tesla chargers barely reach.
• 21:26
  charge port.
• 21:26
  So you have that to contend with.
• 21:28
  Also, you better back it up real close.
• 21:30
  That's like the people that pull into the gas station on the wrong
• 21:33
  side of the pump, and then they're dragging it around the side of their
• 21:36
  car, trying to pump it because they don't feel like moving their car.
• 21:39
  Been there, done that.
• 21:40
  And then the towing capacity, I thought it was supposed to
• 21:42
  be over 20, 000 pounds towing.
• 21:44
  It's only 11.
• 21:45
  My current truck gets 9, 900.
• 21:47
  Then there's plenty of other pickups.
• 21:48
  They can do 000 pounds.
• 21:51
  Yeah.
• 21:51
  How about anything diesel can do easily?
• 21:54
  15, 20.
• 21:55
  So Brad, do you remember when we gave you the option, you know, when
• 21:58
  you're still trying to sell, well, Oh wait, you are still trying to
• 22:01
  sell your cyber truck allotment when we talked about the Plyber truck.
• 22:04
  Do you remember that one?
• 22:05
  On Craigslist?
• 22:06
  Yes, the one that was built on an MDX.
• 22:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:09
  It was quality, right?
• 22:11
  It was, yeah, quality.
• 22:13
  It was IKEA quality.
• 22:15
  Dude, those panel gaps were really, really nice, okay?
• 22:18
  You remember, we've talked before, there's been other people that
• 22:21
  have made cars out of wood, right?
• 22:23
  That guy that, you know, restored his Dogebo out of wood, and there's a
• 22:27
  guy that made a Ferrari out of wood, and But there's this dude in Vietnam
• 22:30
  that seems to just have a real knack for building replicas of vehicles.
• 22:34
  And he's at it again, and he built a wooden Cybertruck.
• 22:38
  I don't know what it's based on, but he said he was going to send it to Elon
• 22:43
  because, quote, I am aware that Tesla has faced its share of challenges in
• 22:48
  bringing the Cybertruck to fruition.
• 22:50
  However, I maintain unwavering faith in your vision and Capabilities of Tesla.
• 22:56
  I hope to have the honor of gifting this wooden cyber truck to you
• 23:00
  and Tesla to wish you and Tesla continued success and to maintain your
• 23:04
  position in the international arena.
• 23:07
  This guy's super nice.
• 23:08
  He spent 15 grand on this thing.
• 23:10
  It looks better than the real thing.
• 23:13
  Oh my God.
• 23:13
  He built a wooden ATV with it.
• 23:16
  Yeah, man.
• 23:16
  That's legit.
• 23:17
  It's tube frame.
• 23:19
  This thing's awesome.
• 23:19
  I would pay 15 grand for this as a side by side.
• 23:22
  That's the real Plymouth shark right there.
• 23:24
  Here's the deal.
• 23:25
  Elon actually responded to this guy.
• 23:27
  He has these eloquent emails that he sent out that have been leaked to
• 23:31
  the public and things like he's, you know, he's I've got a great way of
• 23:33
  presenting this as a way with words.
• 23:35
  I will say that's absolutely marketing genius.
• 23:38
  So what did he say in response to this gentleman?
• 23:40
  Sure.
• 23:40
  Much appreciated.
• 23:41
  I was surprised you didn't go here, Tanya, but we're going to go here now
• 23:45
  because his reaction was so benign.
• 23:47
  Sure.
• 23:48
  Much appreciated because what he should have really said
• 23:51
  is what he said on Twitter.
• 23:52
  Go F yourself.
• 23:53
  What was that in response to?
• 23:55
  So I don't even remember because it could have applied to so many things.
• 23:57
  It was stupid and it went viral.
• 23:59
  I forget what it was and he responded to some It was some interview or something
• 24:03
  and he told the guy to go F himself.
• 24:04
  And I'm just like, ugh.
• 24:05
  But it was on Twitter, which is a platform that everybody's been Bailing
• 24:09
  ship like rats off the Titanic.
• 24:11
  I don't really care, but I thought it was hilarious.
• 24:14
  Go Elon!
• 24:15
  Woo!
• 24:15
  Who cares?
• 24:16
  He was responding to advertisers boycotting X.
• 24:19
  That's a good way to get your advertisers back.
• 24:21
  Ha ha ha.
• 24:22
  X gonna give it to you.
• 24:23
  That's the marketing campaign right there.
• 24:25
  X gonna give it to you.
• 24:26
  X marks the spot.
• 24:27
  A man with so many things to say.
• 24:29
  And that's it.
• 24:30
  I mean, this guy went out of his way to build this beautiful Plymouth truck.
• 24:33
  All jokes aside, it is really nice.
• 24:35
  What he should do is share with Elon Musk, his manufacturing process.
• 24:40
  'cause a hundred days, I feel like that's gonna beat cyber
• 24:43
  truck manufacturing and delivery.
• 24:46
  Yeah.
• 24:46
  Right times.
• 24:47
  It looks really good too.
• 24:48
  I I would totally buy it.
• 24:50
  It looks kind of small though, but it, it looks good.
• 24:52
  I like it.
• 24:53
  I think it's the scale.
• 24:54
  I think it's that it's not stainless steel.
• 24:55
  That it looks smaller than it really is.
• 24:57
  And because it's not stainless steel, you know what else it has going for it.
• 25:00
  No smudge marks and you can clean it with pledge.
• 25:04
  It's a modern day Morgan.
• 25:05
  Lemony fresh.
• 25:06
  Yes, lemony fresh.
• 25:08
  Well, Brad, you know, when you do take delivery of your Cybertruck,
• 25:11
  you're going to have to celebrate.
• 25:13
  Celebrate my ass.
• 25:15
  I'm going to celebrate with a divorce if I take delivery of this truck.
• 25:18
  You're going to celebrate something one way or the other.
• 25:20
  So let's just say you need to celebrate with a case.
• 25:24
  Of cyber beer.
• 25:25
  Oh my God.
• 25:25
  The angles on that bottle, , right?
• 25:28
  According to this, it says, Tesla super fans are complaining about the $150
• 25:34
  cyber beer, calling it hot garbage and posting pictures of rusty bottle caps.
• 25:39
  It does look like complete swill.
• 25:41
  It looks like someone pissed on a bottle.
• 25:43
  Let's say you're partying a little too hard in your garage by yourself.
• 25:47
  Well, then your Cybertruck can drive you home.
• 25:49
  Well, yeah, that's true.
• 25:50
  If you're self driving, according to, yeah.
• 25:52
  Until it runs into a wall or a firetruck.
• 25:55
  Did you know if you spill your beer on your Cybertruck, you can now get renewed?
• 26:02
  Cyber shield cleaned it up with.
• 26:03
  Wow.
• 26:05
  I mean, I would have just gone with Windex.
• 26:07
  Oh no, stainless steel, barkeeper's friend.
• 26:09
  Yeah, barkeeper's friend.
• 26:10
  That's what you should use on that thing.
• 26:12
  But no, special cyber shield.
• 26:14
  But the big question is, and this next article had me laughing, and
• 26:17
  I thought of Tanya when I read it.
• 26:19
  Does the cyber shield, which is a cleaning and protective layer, blah,
• 26:23
  blah, blah, all these wonderful paint protection products and chemicals we
• 26:26
  have these days, you know, graphene and carbon ceramic and all this stuff.
• 26:30
  But the question is, does it actually protect against bird shit?
• 26:34
  Because reports are coming in that bird droppings can actually ruin the
• 26:39
  stainless steel finish of the Cybertruck.
• 26:41
  So Brad, you had to worry in the past about birds sitting on a tree
• 26:45
  ranch and pooping on your golf.
• 26:46
  Now it could burn a hole in the stainless steel of your Cybertruck.
• 26:49
  How did DeLorean get away with it?
• 26:51
  None of them ran.
• 26:52
  They were all parked in garages, I guess.
• 26:54
  See, you answered your own question.
• 26:55
  Exactly.
• 26:56
  Well, then you just take it to the factory and have them replace the body panel that
• 27:00
  got damaged for thousands of dollars.
• 27:02
  So what happens in the winter?
• 27:04
  Cause obviously there's bird droppings are maybe acidic or whatnot.
• 27:09
  And you know, over time could corrode or oxidize.
• 27:12
  the stainless steel because it's not impermeable to things, but like salt
• 27:17
  is not that good on stainless steel.
• 27:19
  You get that nice crust on the salt on the stainless steel.
• 27:22
  And sometimes in poor quality stainless steel, and you'll see it in like cookware,
• 27:26
  when you throw salt in the water to boil the water for pasta and things
• 27:29
  like that, you can actually get pitting that happens on the bottom of the pan
• 27:32
  when you put the salt in at the end.
• 27:34
  Improper time and things like that.
• 27:35
  So in the wintertime when they've put the brine and all that stuff down on
• 27:38
  the roads and you're driving around and you can't wash The car right away
• 27:43
  because it's 17 degrees outside You're gonna go out and it's gonna be like fred
• 27:46
  flintstone And you're gonna be able to see through the doors and the fenders.
• 27:49
  I mean I said it before People you have stainless steel appliances
• 27:54
  in your home the fridge the stove the dishwasher You get a drop of
• 27:58
  water on it two minutes later.
• 28:00
  The thing looks like you vomited all over it And you're sitting there
• 28:02
  buffing it every two minutes so that it's shiny and nice looking.
• 28:06
  But you have carbon ceramic graphene shield spray on car
• 28:09
  detailers to take care of all that.
• 28:11
  Okay, and then when the rock chip hits it and breaks that coating and then the
• 28:16
  surface is exposed, it can start looking like when your wheels pit after a while.
• 28:21
  Cancer that happens.
• 28:23
  Exactly.
• 28:23
  Coatings.
• 28:24
  To think that bird droppings could ruin the finish isn't unfathomable.
• 28:29
  That's not unheard of because droppings if you leave it on a regular painted
• 28:33
  car will eat through the clear coat after a while and can cause damage.
• 28:38
  Well not only that, in talking to DeLorean owners and listening to how they do
• 28:42
  car care and stuff, there is a certain way to clean the stainless and to your
• 28:47
  point barkeepers friend and some other these household cleaners is the way to
• 28:50
  go but you also have to remember that you need to grain the stainless steel
• 28:54
  no kidding done in a certain direction on regular paint now umbrella pad you
• 28:59
  see what happens if you use like even a soft thing sometimes on cookware.
• 29:03
  God forbid, like, you're rubbing it with something that has some sort of
• 29:06
  grit that you don't realize, you're gonna have massive swirl marks.
• 29:10
  It's gonna look terrible.
• 29:11
  Maybe all our concerns are completely unfounded and
• 29:14
  unwarranted, and we just don't know.
• 29:17
  We're just not happy.
• 29:18
  We're grumpy curmudgeons screaming at the clouds.
• 29:20
  Everybody's going, you don't understand!
• 29:22
  Well, the Cybertruck is so awesome, it's just as funny as these memes.
• 29:26
  Yeah, I think to that point, this is going to be a golden age for our show,
• 29:30
  because we can rag on the Cybertruck with all the new articles about how
• 29:33
  terrible it is for years to come.
• 29:36
  In perpetuity.
• 29:37
  I don't even want to give them air time.
• 29:39
  Well, we're going to do it for the rest of this episode.
• 29:42
  So guess what?
• 29:43
  The Onion.
• 29:44
  Cracked me up.
• 29:45
  So I'm reading about bird shit on the Cybertruck and next across my desk,
• 29:49
  I get this from The Onion, which I know is a farce, but it cracked me up
• 29:53
  about pressure washing the Cybertruck.
• 29:56
  And they basically CGI'd or AI rendered the Cybertruck just getting
• 30:01
  obliterated by a power washer.
• 30:03
  And I just thought it was funny.
• 30:05
  You think about it.
• 30:05
  I've seen people wash their trucks.
• 30:07
  With a power washer, why wouldn't you power wash a stainless steel truck?
• 30:11
  Because the people that power wash their regular trucks aren't buying Cybertrucks.
• 30:15
  The people that are buying Cybertrucks, they're going to take them to
• 30:17
  their power wash down the street.
• 30:19
  They're not going to wash it in their driveway.
• 30:21
  So I heard a good one.
• 30:21
  I was out in California.
• 30:23
  Over the winter talking to somebody and, you know, you see a lot of the Wemos,
• 30:27
  which are these driverless taxi cabs and stuff, which I thought were interesting.
• 30:30
  Somebody actually said they took a ride in one, which is a weird lottery system
• 30:34
  to get involved with those things anyway.
• 30:36
  And I was like, wow, you're pretty daring.
• 30:38
  Like, I don't know that I would do that.
• 30:39
  And then they actually kind of changed the conversation into, well, you
• 30:42
  know, my Tesla and the self driving.
• 30:43
  And I was like, oh, okay.
• 30:44
  And I just sort of played stupid and let them talk.
• 30:46
  And I said, Oh, you know, those systems have a long way to go.
• 30:49
  And I don't know that I would trust my Tesla to drive me around.
• 30:52
  Like the Wemo does, you know, you see all those cameras.
• 30:54
  And then they said to me, it's okay.
• 30:55
  Because you know, Tesla is switching from radar sonar, you know, the system
• 31:00
  they have, and I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, it's LIDAR just keep talking.
• 31:04
  Right.
• 31:04
  So I'm thinking to myself, and the gentleman says they're
• 31:06
  going to be switching to neural.
• 31:09
  Net technology.
• 31:10
  At which point I'm biting my cheek on the inside because
• 31:15
  I'm trying not to show my hand.
• 31:18
  And I'm thinking to myself, all right, there are commander data, you and
• 31:21
  your positronic brain in the test.
• 31:23
  I'm like, get the hell out of here.
• 31:25
  You know what?
• 31:25
  Stay tuned folks.
• 31:26
  Laser beams mounted on sharks, neural net.
• 31:29
  Commander data technology up next for Tesla.
• 31:31
  So, and my Tesla roadster too.
• 31:33
  There's a lot of articles on it.
• 31:34
  I mean, I've been talking about it for a while.
• 31:36
  Well, Brad, you're out of luck, man.
• 31:38
  You're trying to sell this cyber truck here in the United
• 31:41
  States for a bucket of chicken.
• 31:42
  And I was thinking, you know what?
• 31:43
  Maybe if Americans won't buy your allotment, you could
• 31:47
  sell it to somebody overseas.
• 31:48
  Maybe somebody in Asia wants it.
• 31:50
  Maybe somebody in Europe wants it.
• 31:51
  Maybe, maybe.
• 31:52
  There's a whole list of reasons why the Cybertruck won't be going to Europe.
• 31:57
  Let's face it.
• 31:58
  Tanya's mentioned it before.
• 31:59
  The overall size of the vehicle.
• 32:01
  Shipping it from California to Europe.
• 32:04
  There's a lot of obstacles in that.
• 32:05
  But if we get lucky, it could get lost at sea on a shipping container ship.
• 32:10
  We would lose hundreds of them.
• 32:12
  That only happens to Porsches and Lamborghinis.
• 32:14
  There's all these obstacles getting it through the European version of like the
• 32:19
  DOT and getting it approved and, you know, safety testing and all that kind of stuff
• 32:23
  is a lot more strict than it is over here.
• 32:25
  Granted, they don't have to worry about the emission side because
• 32:27
  it's an EV, but do they have the charging network to support it?
• 32:31
  You know, all those kinds of things.
• 32:32
  Do we have the charging network to support?
• 32:34
  Well, I wasn't going to get into that.
• 32:36
  Also, there's an issue with the gross vehicle weight being
• 32:39
  between 8 and 9, 000 pounds.
• 32:42
  So four and four and a half tons.
• 32:44
  That's also a problem with Europe.
• 32:45
  It's just too big.
• 32:47
  It's just too heavy.
• 32:48
  The issue that the Cybertruck is just gross, regardless of gross vehicle weight.
• 32:52
  It's just gross.
• 32:53
  And that sort of leads into our final article about the Cybertruck.
• 32:56
  Elon Musk, and I quote, we dug our own grave with the Cybertruck.
• 33:01
  I guess it was shortly after he announced, Oh, it's coming in November.
• 33:03
  And then, Oh, we dug our own grave on this.
• 33:06
  Basically like, yeah, this is a bad idea, but we're doing it anyway.
• 33:11
  What kind of business sense is that though?
• 33:13
  And I mean, we're past the point of no return, right?
• 33:15
  I guess there's enough people that want this that they're going to build it.
• 33:19
  It's still a year and a half from being cash positive.
• 33:22
  He said scaling the production is still a problem.
• 33:25
  So to your point, Brad, if you'd actually click yes to that order, it'll
• 33:28
  be a couple of years till you see it.
• 33:29
  Probably.
• 33:30
  If you place that order, how much of a deposit do you have to put down?
• 33:33
  When I did the estimator, it was 4, 500.
• 33:36
  Do you start paying on it right away?
• 33:38
  You haven't taken delivery of your Cybertruck.
• 33:40
  You're not going to finalize the loan until there's a VIN number.
• 33:42
  Are you sure?
• 33:43
  Because they can generate a soft VIN number and reserve it for you and say,
• 33:47
  this is going to be your chassis number.
• 33:49
  But a bank is not going to fund that loan until there's an actual vehicle.
• 33:53
  That they could repossess when you don't pay.
• 33:55
  You're using logic, my friend.
• 33:56
  You're going to go through the Tesla financing corporation.
• 34:00
  Oh, that's right.
• 34:01
  That's right.
• 34:01
  And they can repossess unicorns and glitter.
• 34:04
  That's right.
• 34:05
  It's like software.
• 34:06
  I'm going to generate you a license key, but your trial hasn't started yet.
• 34:09
  Oh, you mean how they generate stock value?
• 34:12
  They'll just generate it out of thin air.
• 34:14
  So they're going to allot you your VIN.
• 34:16
  You're going to start paying on a truck that you're not
• 34:17
  going to receive for two years.
• 34:18
  I think this is a good deal.
• 34:20
  That means I'm two years into my seven year loan.
• 34:23
  And all of a sudden, when I get the truck, it's a five year loan.
• 34:26
  And don't forget, it's an armed loan, so it's adjustable rate.
• 34:30
  So wait a minute, when I buy it at the 100, 000 or whatever, does that mean,
• 34:35
  I haven't technically driven it off the lot, but when I actually take possession,
• 34:39
  does it mean it's worth 30, 000?
• 34:41
  Yeah, because you have two years of depreciation.
• 34:43
  But not two years of wear and tear.
• 34:44
  I would tell you this, if you were in a different state of life, I'd say send it.
• 34:49
  Let's make this happen.
• 34:50
  You gotta get this Cybertruck.
• 34:51
  It's just gotta happen, right?
• 34:53
  Just go for it.
• 34:53
  We got a little homework to do here.
• 34:55
  I don't think I've convinced you properly to buy this truck.
• 34:58
  I don't think I could convince anybody to buy this truck.
• 35:00
  Honestly.
• 35:01
  I don't think Elon Musk can convince anybody to buy this truck.
• 35:05
  What are you talking about?
• 35:05
  I don't see why they have volume in production issues when there aren't going
• 35:10
  to need to make that many because not that many people are going to take delivery.
• 35:13
  Demand is artificially high.
• 35:15
  Just like generating those VIN numbers.
• 35:16
  Yeah, everybody put in 100 on a whim.
• 35:20
  Cause like, Oh, it's a fucking hundred dollars.
• 35:21
  Who cares if the truck ends up, you know, shit in the bed or
• 35:24
  they never make it or whatever.
• 35:25
  I lost a hundred dollars.
• 35:26
  Who cares?
• 35:27
  Is that how you've rationalized it for yourself?
• 35:29
  Have you just said I've wasted a hundred dollars on a lot of other things?
• 35:33
  And let it go.
• 35:34
  Or do you think you can get your money back?
• 35:36
  Do you think you can unload this Cybertruck allotment?
• 35:39
  Getting the money back versus unloading the Cybertruck allotment are two different
• 35:42
  things, because when I first signed up for it, it was a refundable deposit.
• 35:48
  So I should be able to technically call up Tesla and say, Hey, you know what?
• 35:51
  Nevermind.
• 35:53
  Can I have my a hundred dollars please?
• 35:54
  Wait, wait, wait.
• 35:54
  You said call up Tesla.
• 35:56
  You could talk to a human.
• 35:58
  Yeah.
• 35:58
  I'm going to call him up on the cyber webs.
• 36:00
  I'm going to use my neural net right to Elon.
• 36:04
  And he's going to cut me a check for a hundred dollars minus a
• 36:07
  hundred dollars processing fee.
• 36:09
  So he's going to mail me a check for like 15 cents.
• 36:11
  If nothing else.
• 36:13
  They should be paying you interest on the a hundred dollars.
• 36:15
  It should be like a bond.
• 36:16
  I was going to say it should be like, yeah, a hundred dollars plus
• 36:19
  5 percent interest over five years.
• 36:20
  So I'll take that.
• 36:21
  Exactly.
• 36:22
  You loaned the Tesla foundation a hundred bucks.
• 36:25
  It was a charitable donation.
• 36:26
  You want your money back?
• 36:27
  I aided in their stock valuation and their inflated cash
• 36:31
  position and stock valuation.
• 36:32
  Oh, it was great.
• 36:33
  Freaking mess there too.
• 36:34
  And he took that money and bought X.
• 36:37
  I don't mean, I don't mean ecstasy, although he probably bought that too.
• 36:40
  X insert variable here, right?
• 36:42
  Yeah.
• 36:42
  Well, let's put a pin in this Tesla talk.
• 36:44
  Let's put a bird shit in this Cybertruck talk.
• 36:46
  Yeah, exactly.
• 36:48
  We'll put a pin in this.
• 36:49
  We'll come back to Tesla a little bit later in the show, but we
• 36:53
  need to switch over and talk about Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche news.
• 36:57
  And I've got one piece of hot hatch information for you, and I've said
• 37:01
  it before, the end of Volkswagen's.
• 37:05
  Rain in the hot hatch world was upon us.
• 37:08
  The end is nigh.
• 37:10
  We saw it when they said we're doing away with the two door.
• 37:14
  We're doing away with the turbo four cylinders because we're
• 37:17
  going EV, blah, blah, blah.
• 37:19
  Now they finally said no more manual transmissions.
• 37:25
  That's it, folks.
• 37:26
  It's over.
• 37:27
  Is it just in the U.
• 37:28
  S.
• 37:29
  or is it globally?
• 37:29
  Worldwide.
• 37:30
  They have switched permanently to the DSG.
• 37:32
  2024 will be the last year that the Golf R, which over there they have the GTI 380,
• 37:39
  that will be sold with the stick shift.
• 37:40
  So this is it.
• 37:41
  This is the end.
• 37:42
  This is the end of the hot hatch era for Volkswagen as far as I'm concerned.
• 37:46
  So, as I said earlier, Brad, if you fits, you sits.
• 37:49
  If you want a hot hatch right now in the United States.
• 37:52
  HGR Corolla is where it's at because nobody else makes anything.
• 37:56
  The Veloster's gone.
• 37:57
  Honda hasn't made a hot hatch since I think you're civic in
• 38:00
  the nineties, but you know, Volkswagen is the last one out door.
• 38:03
  So we're left with Toyota.
• 38:04
  Toyota is making some really, really cool stuff.
• 38:06
  Toyota always doubles down when other people are going left.
• 38:09
  They always kind of double down.
• 38:11
  Stay right.
• 38:12
  They come out ahead.
• 38:13
  Yes.
• 38:13
  Always.
• 38:14
  Did you say the Veloster N is also losing the manual?
• 38:17
  The Veloster N, they stopped production.
• 38:19
  All together.
• 38:20
  So yeah, it's losing the manual, losing the car.
• 38:23
  What's going to happen in rally?
• 38:24
  There are already paddle shifters.
• 38:26
  Mainly kidding, but I was like, what type of cars are they going to use?
• 38:29
  But I guess they use the Ford Puma and the other cars overseas.
• 38:33
  Hyundai has the I 20.
• 38:35
  A slightly bigger version of, like, say, the Veloster.
• 38:38
  If the Veloster was the Yaris, the i20 is more like the Corolla,
• 38:42
  although they're very similar.
• 38:43
  They share, like, a lot of DNA.
• 38:44
  That's what they're using now.
• 38:46
  I could have that backwards, though.
• 38:47
  It could be smaller.
• 38:48
  It could be more like the Polo.
• 38:49
  You know, I don't pay that close of attention to the Hyundais that
• 38:52
  are outside of the United States.
• 38:53
  States, so it is what it is.
• 38:54
  So the next step for Volkswagen is to just get rid of the Tiguan
• 38:57
  and the GTI becomes the Tiguan.
• 38:59
  Well, the old Tiguan, you mean, because the new Tiguan is actually the old
• 39:03
  Touareg became the Atlas, whatever, right?
• 39:06
  It's all turtles, or maybe it's just turds all the way down.
• 39:09
  And it wasn't earlier this year or last year, they stopped offering the 3.
• 39:13
  2 liter as well.
• 39:14
  Wasn't everything going to the VR six.
• 39:16
  Died, yeah, a year or two ago, and that was a 3.
• 39:19
  6 liter.
• 39:19
  Yeah, that's what I meant, the BR.
• 39:21
  And so that was another death knell.
• 39:22
  They're getting out of the gasoline business.
• 39:24
  They've been saying for a while that they want to go all EV.
• 39:26
  And then as we reported last year, they, they fired the guy that
• 39:30
  came up with the retro designs, like the ID buzz and all that.
• 39:33
  And if you've noticed, they've gotten really quiet about that too.
• 39:36
  And it's just like, what the hell is going on?
• 39:38
  And some of the other things I've seen with respect to even stuff that's
• 39:41
  going on in Audi and Porsche, I'm like, Volkswagen has just lost their way.
• 39:45
  Yes, they are still in the top five largest manufacturers in the
• 39:49
  planet, but that's also by volume.
• 39:51
  They're a conglomerate.
• 39:52
  They own so many other brands that they can lose their ass on VW while they're
• 39:56
  making 97 percent of all 911s or GT3 RSs.
• 40:01
  Now or whatever this lunacy going on at Volkswagen and it's just like, okay
• 40:05
  guys, and unfortunately hot hatches are still really, really popular overseas.
• 40:10
  The French are still building them.
• 40:11
  The Japanese are still building them.
• 40:12
  They're just not bringing them here.
• 40:14
  I don't understand.
• 40:15
  And maybe I never will.
• 40:17
  Although I own an SUV myself.
• 40:19
  It is a glorified hatchback at the end of the day and it has its reasons and
• 40:22
  its purposes and I love my Jeep But I love a hot hatch a proper hot hatch that
• 40:27
  you could just go thrash on a mountain road or take to the track Put a couple
• 40:31
  bags of mulch in the back or whatever.
• 40:33
  There are a lot of fun.
• 40:34
  It's what makes driving fun I saw something on Instagram the other day.
• 40:37
  It was one of those throwback posts on somebody's account And
• 40:41
  it was one of the old Mark 5 GTI commercials, the unpimped Z auto.
• 40:47
  Oh yeah.
• 40:47
  With this, this really funky focus.
• 40:49
  And then they pushed the button and we unpimped Z auto and it's a Mark 5 GTI.
• 40:53
  I feel like Mark 5 and a little bit into Mark 6, that's the
• 40:57
  generation when Volkswagen.
• 40:59
  Completely lost their way.
• 41:00
  And now they're basically just GM.
• 41:02
  They've got no direction.
• 41:04
  They're just releasing junk that nobody really wants.
• 41:06
  They lost their funkiness, their identity.
• 41:09
  I think, as you said, their uniqueness, their creativity, it's sad.
• 41:12
  And unfortunately to fill that void, we're not getting the other European cars.
• 41:17
  I was hoping we were going to see that with Stellantis when they bought up
• 41:20
  the PSC, Peugeot and Citroen, right?
• 41:23
  Altogether.
• 41:23
  And I was hoping we'd see more of those cars.
• 41:25
  There was talk about Peugeot coming back to the United.
• 41:27
  How cool would it be to have 208 now and the 308 and some of those that they have?
• 41:32
  I mean, those cars are super cool and a lot of fun.
• 41:34
  And then bringing over, maybe that gives an opportunity for Renault to expand
• 41:39
  Nissan, which is in desperate need of a shot in the arm in terms of marketing.
• 41:44
  But ushering in Alpine, that A110, I would buy one tomorrow
• 41:49
  if they would sell that car here.
• 41:51
  Of course, we never get the good stuff, God forbid.
• 41:54
  You should just go out and get an RS6.
• 41:55
  It's a hard toss up, we've had that debate before.
• 41:57
  Alfa Romeo, RS6.
• 41:59
  I've had Audis before, I think I need something different.
• 42:02
  But, that does open up a conversation.
• 42:04
  Talking about cars that are going away.
• 42:05
  The manual transmission's going away, the Veloster's gone, the
• 42:07
  GTI's basically dead in my book.
• 42:09
  We need to talk about Stellantis.
• 42:12
  Oh, we're skipping over Mercedes Benz and BMW.
• 42:14
  Two car companies that I didn't know still existed.
• 42:17
  News alert.
• 42:17
  They don't have any news moving on.
• 42:21
  There's a lot of drum beating right now over at Chrysler and Dodge
• 42:25
  about the new 2025 Charger EV.
• 42:29
  There's a bunch of spy photos.
• 42:30
  Nothing.
• 42:30
  Different than you've seen before from the renderings and the car they had
• 42:34
  at CES and all that kind of stuff.
• 42:35
  So I don't really want to dive into that because there's
• 42:37
  nothing really new to report.
• 42:38
  But what's interesting at this time of the year, and especially next month, when
• 42:43
  we talk about cars that are going away this year, you know, new cars for 2024.
• 42:47
  And we'll touch on some of that as we go along here.
• 42:49
  One of the ones that they've already signed the death certificate on over
• 42:52
  at Stellantis is the Jeep Renegade.
• 42:55
  Because apparently, nobody's buying those cars.
• 42:57
  You know, if I was in the market, if I was a different person, I
• 43:00
  would actually be interested.
• 43:02
  I really like the Renegade.
• 43:03
  To me, it reminds me, I know it's not the same and Tanya will poop on
• 43:06
  me, but it reminds me of like the U.
• 43:08
  S.
• 43:09
  version of like a Fiat Panda.
• 43:11
  It's a small, all wheel drive, manual transmission, just kind of runabout.
• 43:15
  Well, it's based on the 500X.
• 43:17
  So it's a Fiat underneath, and, you know, it had its own quirks and, and whatever,
• 43:21
  but yeah, to your point, I agree.
• 43:22
  It was the American version of the Panda.
• 43:24
  The European Panda, you know, has its own thing, and, and there is a new version
• 43:28
  of that coming out, as we've learned over the last couple of months, but, Tanya,
• 43:32
  I mean, if you were in the market for a new car, would you consider the Renegade?
• 43:36
  I rented one several years back in Hawaii, and it was quite nice for those purposes.
• 43:41
  Given the landscape of other vehicles.
• 43:44
  I mean, I would go test drive one.
• 43:46
  I don't know if I could actually buy one.
• 43:49
  Because there's a GR Corolla that she wants instead.
• 43:51
  I mean, I would also test drive one of those.
• 43:56
  I'm surprised you haven't bought one already.
• 43:57
  I don't need one.
• 43:59
  Yet.
• 43:59
  We're going to put yet on that.
• 44:00
  If you can't get that brake light working, you might need one.
• 44:03
  My brake light works wonderfully now.
• 44:05
  Thank you very much.
• 44:05
  And it wasn't the brake light that always worked, but my
• 44:08
  rear tail light is fantastic.
• 44:09
  Because her mechanic is fantastic.
• 44:11
  Well, you know, what else is a little bit of sad panda?
• 44:14
  Would you guys care to guess how many cars Fiat sold last year?
• 44:17
  None.
• 44:18
  Worldwide or just in the U.
• 44:20
  S.?
• 44:20
  Just in the U.
• 44:20
  S.
• 44:21
  Let's see.
• 44:21
  There are what?
• 44:22
  350 million Americans.
• 44:25
  I hardly see any 500s anywhere anymore.
• 44:28
  Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw a Fiat.
• 44:30
  You see one or two alphas.
• 44:32
  If that, I haven't seen one in a while.
• 44:34
  Uh, I would say 30.
• 44:37
  You're way under there, Bob.
• 44:39
  A hundred thousand.
• 44:40
  You're way over.
• 44:41
  Whoa.
• 44:42
  A hundred thousand.
• 44:42
  Fifteen thousand.
• 44:44
  No.
• 44:44
  I don't even think they brought a hundred thousand to the U.
• 44:46
  S.
• 44:47
  They sold 605 cars last year.
• 44:50
  For the entire brand.
• 44:52
  Just Fiat.
• 44:53
  Yes.
• 44:53
  Not Alfa is another thing.
• 44:54
  Countrywide.
• 44:55
  605 fiat.
• 44:57
  Can you believe that?
• 44:57
  Now I know our local fiat Alfa Romeo dealer here does not exist anymore.
• 45:02
  It got absorbed back into the Chrysler building that was already
• 45:06
  there and they use it as storage.
• 45:08
  There's not a single Alfa or Fiat on the lot.
• 45:10
  I think the next closest one is still like in Tyson's corner,
• 45:14
  like just off the beltway.
• 45:15
  Goes along with the death of hot hatches.
• 45:18
  There's why there's a death of hot hatches.
• 45:20
  Nobody wants something small like a Fiat 500.
• 45:22
  How many Honda Fits do you see around?
• 45:24
  Did they stop making the Honda Fit already?
• 45:25
  Yeah, they did.
• 45:26
  A couple years ago?
• 45:27
  Nobody wants a car that small.
• 45:29
  You know, they bring over stuff like the Hornet, which is really the Alpha Tonale.
• 45:34
  It's the same size as the Jeep Cherokee.
• 45:36
  Not the Grand Cherokee, the small Cherokee, which they're also
• 45:40
  talking about getting rid of.
• 45:41
  Okay, Fiat, you control everything.
• 45:44
  You pretty much own every company that's over there.
• 45:46
  You've got that big Maserati.
• 45:48
  SUV that nobody buys, why not Reba that as something and bring it out as a
• 45:54
  Hil luxe, uh, for a male that's bigger than the Stelvio and even the Stelvio,
• 45:59
  it's a gi on stilts, but it is cool it, and if you've seen them fixed up
• 46:03
  with big wheels and that you buy the Q4 version, they're pretty awesome.
• 46:07
  Where do you go see one?
• 46:09
  Where do you go buy one?
• 46:10
  I feel that Fiat suffers in the same way Nissan does.
• 46:13
  They don't know how to market themselves and they can't blame.
• 46:16
  Well, Oh, back in the sixties, when we brought the chink with Chanto to America,
• 46:20
  it was a turd and everybody hated it.
• 46:22
  And all the came from the factory with rusted panels, Fiat one
• 46:26
  31s and spiders and all one 24s and all that kind of stuff.
• 46:29
  Guys, it's a quality product.
• 46:31
  The Fiat 500 won best car of the year in Europe, like over and over and over
• 46:34
  again for like years running, but you have other stuff, you have other cars.
• 46:39
  Try to bring something over here.
• 46:41
  And I feel like it was all half hearted, but if they are slowly
• 46:45
  starting to peel back the offerings.
• 46:47
  What is the big parent Stellantis going to do longer term?
• 46:52
  What's their goal?
• 46:53
  Because Chrysler doesn't have anything but the van.
• 46:56
  Dodge has no cars right now because the Charger's dead and
• 46:59
  the Challenger's dead and the new Charger is like two years away.
• 47:02
  So they're selling Jeeps, but even there, they're cutting the Jeep line down to
• 47:06
  the Grand Cherokee and the Wagoneer.
• 47:08
  So what I'm wondering is, are we seeing the death of Stellantis in the U S?
• 47:13
  I think Stellantis is priming themselves to be bought by somebody else.
• 47:18
  Toyota's not going to touch them.
• 47:19
  General Motors doesn't want them.
• 47:21
  Ford doesn't want them.
• 47:22
  Volkswagen's not going to buy them.
• 47:23
  GM is all about buying shitty companies.
• 47:26
  GM will do it.
• 47:27
  GM will buy them.
• 47:28
  I love this stat.
• 47:29
  605 cars sold in the US.
• 47:32
  And an entire year out of 357 dealers.
• 47:35
  That's less than two cars per dealer.
• 47:37
  How did those dealers even stay open?
• 47:39
  I don't know, but it's terribly sad.
• 47:40
  I will say for Christmas, Henry got a box of Hot Wheels cars.
• 47:45
  And in it, one of his favorite cars is a little Fiat 500 that he calls a beetle.
• 47:51
  Because he also got an old like seventies beetle in that box as well.
• 47:55
  That's awesome.
• 47:56
  So he's got his beetle and then he's got his, his fetal.
• 47:59
  You know, we don't have a ton to talk about in terms of the rest of our domestic
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• 48:10
  What I came up with over the winter, you know, things.
• 48:12
  Again, are very quiet.
• 48:13
  There's an Italian company that's a modding C8 Corvettes.
• 48:17
  And I wanted to see what you guys thought.
• 48:19
  Modding them to do what?
• 48:20
  This new car is called the S1 Coupe by a company called Aries out of Modena.
• 48:26
  And they're rebodying the C8 Corvette.
• 48:29
  We've argued before that the C8 Corvette sort of looks like an NSX and a kind of
• 48:35
  rip off of a Ferrari and this and that.
• 48:37
  So there's a history in Italy of doing this.
• 48:39
  There's tons of Carazzorias.
• 48:41
  Out there that have rebodied cars, whether it's, you know, Zagato or
• 48:44
  Pininfarina or Scaglietti or Bertone or whatever, Aries are coming to the
• 48:49
  table and they said, we're going to put pen to paper and we're going to come
• 48:53
  up with a new body for the Corvette C8.
• 48:55
  I look at it, it's got gold wings and reminds me of a McLaren.
• 48:59
  Yeah.
• 48:59
  It's an Italian McLaren.
• 49:01
  The Gordon Murray, right?
• 49:02
  Same kind of thing.
• 49:03
  And I'm just like.
• 49:04
  I mean, it doesn't look bad as far as hyper looking cars go or something,
• 49:08
  but if someone just showed the picture to you, I would have no idea
• 49:12
  it had anything to do with Corvette.
• 49:13
  I think that's the point.
• 49:14
  You get the power plant and the drivetrain and all the awesome stuff of the
• 49:17
  Corvette, but you know, they sort of redid everything to include the interior, which
• 49:21
  this is a lot nicer and it looks to be a lot roomier and more comfortable than
• 49:26
  the C8 Corvette comes from the factory.
• 49:28
  If, Brad, you've sat in a C8, you know what it looks like with that.
• 49:30
  Funky dashboard with the buttons that go up the side towards the passenger
• 49:35
  seat and all that crazy stuff.
• 49:36
  It's kind of cramped.
• 49:37
  This looks like you could actually enjoy this car on a long drive.
• 49:40
  I'm not saying you can't enjoy a C8 Corvette on a long drive.
• 49:43
  I can't enjoy a C8 Corvette on a long drive.
• 49:45
  This looks way more comfortable.
• 49:47
  So I got to give him props in terms of their interior design.
• 49:50
  To your point, Tanya, it is hard to discern, especially from the back.
• 49:53
  To me, the back screams McLaren or Bugatti a little bit.
• 49:58
  I kind of like it.
• 49:59
  But then there's certain things I don't like.
• 50:01
  It's got these snouts over the rear trunk.
• 50:03
  I don't know if that's where the exhaust comes out.
• 50:05
  I don't understand what those holes are.
• 50:07
  Yeah, those are the exhaust.
• 50:08
  Those don't belong there.
• 50:10
  It kind of reminds me of a boat.
• 50:11
  It looks like they took the back of a McLaren P1.
• 50:14
  Because I think the P1 has the same kind of thing.
• 50:16
  I will say, in looking at this article, some of the pictures of some of their
• 50:19
  other projects, I am all about that Aries, Bentley, and all seeing coupe.
• 50:23
  Because it reminds me of the old Bentley's Bricklins or whatever.
• 50:25
  The one I gotta give my hat off to as you go down and look
• 50:29
  at this is the Aries Panther.
• 50:31
  That looks pretty sick.
• 50:32
  Yeah, that's an homage to the Pantera.
• 50:35
  And I was like, build that car.
• 50:38
  Whatever that is, I'm here for it all day long.
• 50:42
  That's based on the Huracan.
• 50:43
  Dude, that is way nicer than the Huracan.
• 50:46
  That is cool.
• 50:46
  Why can't Volkswagen build stuff like that?
• 50:48
  Because they're too busy taking manual transmission out of
• 50:51
  cars that people want to drive.
• 50:52
  I would put my money down on that Panther.
• 50:54
  That's really, really cool.
• 50:55
  I would too.
• 50:56
  We have a little bit of Asian domestic news.
• 50:59
  I've been following this build for a while.
• 51:01
  It's on Instagram.
• 51:03
  It's all over the place.
• 51:04
  It's a K24 Honda swapped Ferrari 308.
• 51:07
  Have you guys seen this car?
• 51:08
  Nope.
• 51:09
  Oh, dude, it's sick.
• 51:10
  Gorgeous car.
• 51:11
  It's a 308.
• 51:12
  So I don't feel bad.
• 51:13
  You know, people, oh my god, it's sacrilege.
• 51:15
  Oh, Ferrari, blah.
• 51:16
  308's the most mass produced Ferrari on the planet.
• 51:19
  It's like a Porsche 944.
• 51:20
  You're like, whatever, okay?
• 51:21
  It's indicative of the times, right, of the late 70s, early 80s.
• 51:24
  It was also the car that kept Ferrari out of bankruptcy, much
• 51:28
  like the 944 did for Porsche.
• 51:29
  Unfortunately, all the work and effort and all the years I followed
• 51:32
  these guys building this K24 Honda swap Ferrari, yep, boop, is dead.
• 51:36
  They blew it up at a grid life global time attack event or whatever.
• 51:40
  And that's the end of that.
• 51:41
  But it went out in a heroic ball of white smoke.
• 51:45
  Did it oil start?
• 51:46
  Cause all the comments are saying that you can't do that without a proper.
• 51:49
  So it will live on for another generation because they are going to do a less swap
• 51:55
  now, which again has oil cooling issues.
• 51:57
  So they need to make sure that it gets plenty of oil,
• 51:59
  but why didn't they do that?
• 52:01
  To begin with, they should do what we see at water fest all the time.
• 52:04
  They should do a VR swap.
• 52:05
  Those make a gajillion horsepower and they're pretty damn reliable.
• 52:09
  I can understand why they went with the Honda power plant drive train and all
• 52:12
  that, because a lot of people don't know that the 308 is actually transverse.
• 52:17
  And it's a V8 transverse, right?
• 52:19
  So think giant Fiat X1 9 at the end of the day.
• 52:21
  So a Ferrari V8, it's not small.
• 52:24
  It is in there sideways.
• 52:25
  So I'm kind of thinking like Fiero now in my head.
• 52:28
  If an LS fits, like you say, Brad, if I fits, I sits.
• 52:31
  I would have started with that.
• 52:32
  Yes, the Honda K motor, blah, blah, blah.
• 52:34
  But every K swap I've ever seen, whether it was Miatas or other stuff,
• 52:38
  and even this, they sort of all end in somebody crying in a bowl of Wheaties.
• 52:42
  If you're going to build, especially a drift car, go V8 or go home.
• 52:46
  Unless it's a straight six from Nissan back in the day, but you're
• 52:48
  going to pay a mint for that.
• 52:49
  So now I'm going to start looking at 308 costs.
• 52:52
  You don't, they've gone up a lot since I'm sure they have.
• 52:56
  I'm sure they have.
• 52:56
  I'll stick to the nine 44s, nine 24s.
• 52:59
  You mean other random new.
• 53:02
  News.
• 53:02
  That's right.
• 53:03
  Random new EVs and concept cars.
• 53:05
  So what's hot for 2024?
• 53:07
  You know, we're going to talk about this more in February as more of these reports
• 53:11
  come out from all over the industry.
• 53:13
  But there's about 10, 12 cars here on this list that people are
• 53:16
  jonesed about right out of the gate.
• 53:18
  We're looking at the Heidi buzz.
• 53:20
  Which, again, I haven't heard a whole lot about whether or not and how you
• 53:24
  can buy it if it's really coming.
• 53:26
  I mean, yes, I saw one in person at Car Week and it is super cool.
• 53:30
  It's a lot bigger than I thought it would be.
• 53:32
  I like a lot of the features and stuff that's going into it.
• 53:34
  I'm excited that it might be coming out.
• 53:37
  The question is When?
• 53:38
  How?
• 53:39
  Where?
• 53:39
  Can I order one?
• 53:40
  I need more details.
• 53:41
  I need more firm numbers and more information.
• 53:44
  We got the new Land Cruiser.
• 53:45
  Brad, you're a Toyota guy.
• 53:46
  What do you think?
• 53:47
  It's smaller than the one it's replacing.
• 53:50
  I don't know.
• 53:50
  I'm not a fan.
• 53:51
  It looks like a cross between the FJ Cruiser and the 4Runner.
• 53:55
  I don't like it.
• 53:55
  I'll stick with my Tundra and our Sienna.
• 53:58
  I mean, the rest of the list is Kind of unexciting or cars that
• 54:01
  we already know about, right?
• 54:02
  The Volvo XC 30, the New Forester hybrid that we talked about last year.
• 54:06
  You've got the GR cars and all that, but there's one in particular here that goes
• 54:12
  back to one of Tonya's favorite actors.
• 54:15
  He drove one of these cars back in the day.
• 54:17
  Tell us about one of Patrick Stewart's favorite cars.
• 54:19
  Probably what the Integra should have been instead of, of the new
• 54:23
  TSX, the Honda Prelude, which isn't.
• 54:26
  official.
• 54:27
  It's kind of like a teaser.
• 54:29
  There's no firm plan that that's actually going to get built,
• 54:32
  but the render is a two door.
• 54:34
  Not that I would call it a hot hatch, but it is a two door panda.
• 54:38
  This thing is fire.
• 54:40
  The old Preludes, I've driven Brian's Gen 2.
• 54:43
  They're fun cars.
• 54:45
  They had their own, that was the H block motor, like all this kind of
• 54:48
  stuff, you know, they didn't share any parts with a lot of other cars with the
• 54:51
  prelude was just kind of its own thing.
• 54:54
  As you've told me, Patrick Stewart, you know, captain Picard owned a
• 54:57
  prelude way back when this new one, you're a hundred percent, right?
• 55:00
  This should be.
• 55:01
  The Integra.
• 55:03
  This is super cool, and I hope Honda builds it.
• 55:05
  It should be the Integra, and it should compete with the, uh, GR86.
• 55:09
  What would really be the icing on the cake is if Honda would put the Civic Type
• 55:13
  R motor in this, and for once in a very long time, ditch the front wheel drive.
• 55:19
  Build this as a rear wheel drive, use the S2000 drivetrain or some variant thereof.
• 55:25
  Give us a proper sports coupe, and this thing will be killer.
• 55:30
  I can see this thing selling and flying off the shelves.
• 55:33
  You're going to have these Hondas running neck and neck with the Supras
• 55:36
  and the GR 86s and all those things.
• 55:39
  But the design from these angles, I really like it.
• 55:42
  I want to see more pictures of it, but I think this is super
• 55:45
  cool that Honda is going this way.
• 55:46
  And they need something because as Tanya said before, they've
• 55:49
  been kind of boring up until now.
• 55:51
  Like Volkswagen or GM.
• 55:53
  Does anybody want to buy any cars from any of these brands?
• 55:55
  GM has the Corvette.
• 55:57
  They killed the Camaro.
• 55:58
  Volkswagen has the GTI, which they're killing slowly.
• 56:01
  They're bleeding that thing to death, but it's sort of like, I
• 56:04
  hate to say like cars and vacuum cleaners sometimes are very similar.
• 56:07
  Like you're looking at some of these brands, you're going black
• 56:10
  and Decker shark, whatever Bissell.
• 56:12
  And then you got like these other, that's a Dyson.
• 56:15
  Look at that.
• 56:16
  Right.
• 56:16
  It's so futuristic and so different.
• 56:17
  We joke that cars aren't appliances, but.
• 56:20
  I feel like they're boiling them down to the point where you could
• 56:23
  just change the label on them.
• 56:25
  You still know the quality difference, but every once in a while, it's like,
• 56:28
  do you buy the Roomba or do you buy the Ecovac Electrolux Electrolux?
• 56:33
  Yeah.
• 56:33
  Okay.
• 56:34
  It's like buying a Packard.
• 56:35
  Talked earlier about the Cybertruck.
• 56:37
  Here's the list of the EVs that are eligible for instant tax rebates.
• 56:41
  As of the 1st of January, it's basically every Chevy model.
• 56:45
  Ford, Lightning, and the Tesla's.
• 56:47
  There you go.
• 56:48
  And it used to be, you'd get the 7, 500 tax credit.
• 56:52
  I'm sure they've changed that number by now.
• 56:53
  If the vehicle was built in the United States.
• 56:56
  So then it was okay.
• 56:58
  That limited the field to let's say the plants that exist in like Tennessee and
• 57:03
  the Carolinas and Kentucky and all that.
• 57:05
  That's how like Toyota and BMW and Volkswagen were getting away with, Oh,
• 57:09
  well you can still get the tax credit versus like, Oh, you buy a Chrysler.
• 57:11
  It's built in Detroit.
• 57:12
  Blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 57:13
  What they did is they changed the law so that it's now EVs with battery
• 57:19
  materials manufactured in China are not eligible for the tax credit.
• 57:24
  So we've taken that first window and now we've made it even narrower.
• 57:28
  And to your point, Tanya, it's the GM stuff, a couple of Fords.
• 57:32
  And the Tesla's.
• 57:33
  And so the list is getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
• 57:36
  But the price of the EVs hasn't come down, although they have fluctuated.
• 57:39
  A lot of the incentive to get people to buy them is now going away, or they're
• 57:43
  making it more difficult to buy these EVs by not giving you that government rebate.
• 57:49
  Which is funny because considering how the government was trying
• 57:51
  to push everybody to buy EVs.
• 57:53
  Just a short time ago.
• 57:55
  I still feel that it's going to come full circle at some point.
• 57:58
  We're all going to be driving diesels.
• 58:00
  Nah, hybrid isn't as bad.
• 58:00
  Diesel's dead, unfortunately, except in the big, bigger trucks.
• 58:04
  And again, Toyota has doubled down and created more hybrids.
• 58:08
  Exactly.
• 58:09
  You know, I hate to say it because I'm a ride or die.
• 58:12
  VAG fan, and it's losing its appeal.
• 58:15
  I'm disillusioned with them at this point.
• 58:17
  There's nothing that they sell that I'm really that interested in.
• 58:19
  But when I look at Toyota, to your point, they're the trendsetter.
• 58:22
  Now it used to be Volkswagen.
• 58:24
  It used to be a lot of other companies that were bucking the mold and saying, ah,
• 58:27
  we're going to rewrite the history books.
• 58:28
  This is how it's done.
• 58:29
  Now it's Toyota.
• 58:30
  And to your point, if you want the answers of what the future is,
• 58:34
  look to Toyota for those answers.
• 58:36
  If Toyota is not going full EV, they have like one car that's full
• 58:40
  EV, and they're going to make like.
• 58:41
  Three of them to your point, they were doubling down on hybrid.
• 58:45
  Hybrid is going to be the answer.
• 58:47
  All this other stuff is like a proof of concept.
• 58:50
  So buy your Rivians and buy your Teslas, do whatever you want to do.
• 58:52
  Live your best life.
• 58:53
  That's fine.
• 58:54
  Eventually, just like in the 1920s, we had all these boutique manufacturers
• 58:58
  out there, but where are they today?
• 59:00
  Where can you go buy a Studebaker or an Oldsmobile or a Packard, all these names,
• 59:05
  they're on the winds of history anymore.
• 59:07
  And I think you're going to see that with Rivian and Tesla, Lucid, and a
• 59:11
  lot of these other brands, as they get absorbed for their intellectual property
• 59:14
  and their patents by the bigger brands.
• 59:16
  And eventually a new big three will emerge that is concentrated
• 59:20
  in a alternative fuel space.
• 59:23
  Brad, you're a hundred percent right.
• 59:25
  Look to Toyota for those answers.
• 59:27
  today.
• 59:28
  We just talk about a car company that I am sad to not see anymore.
• 59:32
  Who's that?
• 59:33
  That's Mitsubishi.
• 59:34
  They still make HVAC and ductless air conditioning systems.
• 59:37
  They make the all wheel drive SUV, AUV, SAV, Eclipse.
• 59:44
  Is that their only car?
• 59:45
  I think.
• 59:45
  When did they disappear?
• 59:47
  I can't remember the last time I actually saw one Mitsubishi.
• 59:49
  I rented a Mitsubishi in Texas, like, two years ago.
• 59:52
  Why?
• 59:53
  It was the only thing available when I went to go kick something up off the lot.
• 59:56
  It was a Lancer Cross something or other, some goofy thing with a CVT, and it
• 1:00:02
  literally made 140 horsepower normally.
• 1:00:06
  like, you know, like a small tank.
• 1:00:07
  It was pathetic and it was horrible.
• 1:00:09
  And I was like, this Mitsubishi is why you have died in the United States.
• 1:00:14
  You cannot put stuff like this out.
• 1:00:16
  Now I get, Oh, we're not going to, you know, put a motor in it.
• 1:00:19
  That's like the Lancer evolution.
• 1:00:20
  But at this point, everybody's got freaking turbochargers on everything.
• 1:00:24
  You can't put out a 4, 000 pound CUV with a normally aspirated one, six,
• 1:00:30
  that makes less than 200 horsepower.
• 1:00:32
  That's insane.
• 1:00:33
  No, not in this country.
• 1:00:34
  Maybe the.
• 1:00:35
  put around like the little cities in Europe or something,
• 1:00:37
  but not here where you got to drive cross country or something.
• 1:00:40
  I was so tempted to go to the local Walgreens and get shoe polish, which
• 1:00:46
  I think you can still buy these days.
• 1:00:47
  And right on the back, the struggle is real because anytime you
• 1:00:51
  merged, you were better off getting out behind it and pushing it.
• 1:00:54
  I mean, it was just pathetic.
• 1:00:55
  Absolutely pathetic.
• 1:00:56
  And the build quality was just junk.
• 1:00:58
  I actually sat down and started writing an article about it.
• 1:01:01
  I just got frustrated doing that.
• 1:01:03
  And I was like, nobody's going to care.
• 1:01:04
  It's Mitsubishi.
• 1:01:05
  Where's the last dealership in America?
• 1:01:07
  Like, it's like the last blockbuster.
• 1:01:09
  There's going to be one in like Nome, Alaska, where you can still
• 1:01:13
  buy a Mitsubishi and that'll be it.
• 1:01:15
  You'll be able to buy Fiats and Mitsubishis next to each other.
• 1:01:17
  It's like junks are us.
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  Well, it's time we talk about your favorite section, Brad.
• 1:02:05
  It's time for a little bit of Lost and Found.
• 1:02:08
  Lost and Found.
• 1:02:09
  Scour of the internet to tell you all what is available.
• 1:02:12
  Oh boy, what have we got?
• 1:02:14
  It's been a minute.
• 1:02:15
  I will say that 1988 Cadillac DeVille is gone!
• 1:02:18
  It's gone!
• 1:02:19
  No longer on the list.
• 1:02:20
  Somebody either bought it or turned it into cash for clunkers.
• 1:02:23
  Something happened, but it is no longer available.
• 1:02:26
  I'm still waiting for our sponsor check from gray Chevrolet.
• 1:02:29
  That's all I'm saying.
• 1:02:30
  We help sell.
• 1:02:30
  I know, I know, I know.
• 1:02:31
  You know, we give them a spot every month and we still have received nothing,
• 1:02:35
  the oldest vehicle you can buy on cars.
• 1:02:38
  com.
• 1:02:38
  Brand new.
• 1:02:39
  Again, this is because people don't know how to use the internet, but the brand new
• 1:02:44
  car is a 2000 Volkswagen Jetta GLS TDI.
• 1:02:48
  Oh, and then you get a 2001 Pathfinder that Ford GT is still
• 1:02:52
  out there, 2008 Shelby GT 500.
• 1:02:54
  You know what we haven't heard of in a while?
• 1:02:56
  HHRs, Dodge Darts, and Vipers.
• 1:02:59
  That hasn't shown up on the list in a while.
• 1:03:01
  2014 Dodge SRT Viper GTS in lime green for the cool price of 249, 000.
• 1:03:08
  You know, I'm glad you brought that up because you know what I found
• 1:03:11
  that's going to start replacing Vipers as leftovers on the lot.
• 1:03:14
  That's going to be at your local Honda dealership when you go out.
• 1:03:17
  To put your deposit on your prelude.
• 1:03:19
  So what's taking the place of the Viper now?
• 1:03:21
  The NSX.
• 1:03:22
  The NSX went out of production a couple of years ago, right?
• 1:03:25
  How many did they sell last year?
• 1:03:26
  They sold five, but I'm not surprised.
• 1:03:30
  It's a low production supercar.
• 1:03:32
  How many Vipers did they sell in a given year?
• 1:03:34
  What?
• 1:03:35
  12, 13, something like that.
• 1:03:36
  It's the nature of the beast.
• 1:03:38
  They're priced accordingly.
• 1:03:39
  They don't need to sell very many of them.
• 1:03:41
  They're super fucking expensive to begin with 350, 000.
• 1:03:44
  Not surprised that they only sold.
• 1:03:46
  Five.
• 1:03:46
  You mentioned brands that you don't hear about anymore.
• 1:03:49
  This one is right up your alley.
• 1:03:51
  Pontiac.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  What about Pontiac?
• 1:03:53
  Apparently you can buy a nice Pontiac vibe.
• 1:03:57
  25.
• 1:04:01
  No.
• 1:04:01
  25, 000 the SEMA car looks like it's lower to some suspension,
• 1:04:07
  just a mini sub box in the back.
• 1:04:09
  Okay.
• 1:04:09
  What is so special about this car?
• 1:04:11
  It's orange.
• 1:04:12
  That's what's special about it.
• 1:04:13
  Yes.
• 1:04:14
  And it's not a manual.
• 1:04:15
  I think there was a certain percentage of these that were manual.
• 1:04:17
  And what people forget about the vibe is it's the Toyota matrix.
• 1:04:21
  It's the same car rebadged.
• 1:04:23
  It was a deal that Toyota had going on with GM.
• 1:04:25
  I don't know if people forget that they choose not to remember.
• 1:04:28
  Oh yeah.
• 1:04:29
  That's how it works.
• 1:04:30
  Okay.
• 1:04:31
  Choose not to remember that.
• 1:04:32
  It's clean.
• 1:04:33
  The only problem is it's an auto tragic.
• 1:04:35
  To your point, I don't know that I'd spend 25 bucks on this, but okay, sure.
• 1:04:39
  When was the last time you saw a Pontiac vibe?
• 1:04:41
  There's a reason for that.
• 1:04:44
  There's a reason like Mark 4, Mark 5 Volkswagens are still running
• 1:04:47
  around, but Pontiac vibes are not.
• 1:04:49
  Not so much.
• 1:04:50
  I didn't like its vibes.
• 1:04:51
  Speaking of cars that are still running around, couldn't
• 1:04:53
  believe this when I read it.
• 1:04:54
  Honda will lease you a 10 year old car because the new ones are too expensive.
• 1:04:58
  What?
• 1:04:59
  So 10 year old cars are not available for leasing, but five year old cars,
• 1:05:04
  CPO, are available for leasing.
• 1:05:05
  It says here, while Honda TrueUse launched in 2022, it does include pre
• 1:05:10
  owned vehicles up to 10 years old.
• 1:05:12
  They are not available for leasing.
• 1:05:14
  Reading, comprehension.
• 1:05:16
  But that's written terribly.
• 1:05:18
  Okay, so you can lease a 5 or 10 year old Honda Accord.
• 1:05:22
  Why?
• 1:05:22
  So here's what I'm thinking to myself.
• 1:05:24
  If the new cars are so expensive, why don't we just lower the price?
• 1:05:28
  Am I totally, like, off my rocker here?
• 1:05:30
  Am I speaking alien language?
• 1:05:33
  Hello.
• 1:05:34
  And they have this funky like warranty policy where it's like, where they're
• 1:05:37
  finding these low mileage Hondas.
• 1:05:38
  I don't know.
• 1:05:39
  They've gotta be CPO cars.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  CP program and 86,000 miles of non powertrain coverage, or 84 months and a
• 1:05:46
  hundred thousand miles per powertrain.
• 1:05:48
  And I'm like, what?
• 1:05:49
  No, just lower the freaking price of the new one because what kind of
• 1:05:53
  price tag are you putting on this?
• 1:05:55
  Accurate TSX or whatever it is you're trying to sell me.
• 1:05:58
  Let's say that's 30, 000 if you multiply out the lease, you know, and all the,
• 1:06:02
  all the stuff that goes along with that.
• 1:06:04
  Why can't I buy a new Accord for 30 grand?
• 1:06:06
  Why does a new Accord have to be 50, 000?
• 1:06:08
  It doesn't make any sense.
• 1:06:10
  So I will say I did go to a Toyota dealership once many years ago, back in,
• 1:06:15
  it was the mid 2000s, early to mid 2000s.
• 1:06:17
  The reason I went to the dealership is because they had a used Toyota
• 1:06:20
  Supra on the lot, like a 96, 97 Supra.
• 1:06:23
  They wanted to lease a used Toyota Supra because they were trying to
• 1:06:27
  sell it for 45, 000 or 50, 000 or whatever, because it was in the height
• 1:06:31
  of the whole fast and furious craze.
• 1:06:34
  And they were trying to lease me this car.
• 1:06:35
  And he said, Oh yeah, you can't buy it.
• 1:06:37
  We can lease it to you.
• 1:06:38
  No, thank you.
• 1:06:39
  I don't think so.
• 1:06:40
  I'm not going to lease any car, let alone a tuner car, but still leasing a used car.
• 1:06:45
  I agree with your point.
• 1:06:46
  Why not just make the cars cheaper?
• 1:06:48
  I guess they're doing this because of the crazy auto market.
• 1:06:51
  The crazy auto loan rates right now.
• 1:06:53
  People are priced out of vehicles that they normally would have been able to buy.
• 1:06:56
  You remember when we had a take it to the bank moment?
• 1:06:59
  It's that would Andrew buy this car?
• 1:07:01
  This next one is a hundred percent a take it to the bank moment.
• 1:07:05
  Dude, I totally would have bought this car.
• 1:07:06
  Oh, come on.
• 1:07:07
  Why not?
• 1:07:08
  Headline reads, Someone willingly paid 16, 000 for a Maserati
• 1:07:12
  Ghibli on Cars and Bids.
• 1:07:14
  What's wrong with the Ghibli?
• 1:07:15
  For 16, 000?
• 1:07:16
  What is wrong with the Ghibli?
• 1:07:18
  That's what I'm asking, what's wrong with the Ghibli?
• 1:07:19
  It needs 66, 000 worth of maintenance.
• 1:07:22
  That's what it needs.
• 1:07:23
  Oh yeah, I see.
• 1:07:24
  400 oil changes, 1, 200 brake jobs.
• 1:07:26
  But if you can do this stuff yourself You're gonna order parts
• 1:07:29
  for your Ghibli on Rock Auto?
• 1:07:30
  Did you see those door panels?
• 1:07:32
  This car looks like it was in a flood.
• 1:07:34
  And Andrew bought a flood Mercedes.
• 1:07:36
  And it wasn't Piece of junk.
• 1:07:38
  He lost money on that car.
• 1:07:39
  What is wrong with these door cards?
• 1:07:41
  It says here 3, 500 to repair the door cards at an upholstery shop because
• 1:07:46
  you're paying the Maserati tax on everything you touch on this car.
• 1:07:50
  What you do is you go to the junkyard, you find a Dodge Charger.
• 1:07:54
  Which is the same car, and then you take the door cards out of the Dodge
• 1:07:58
  Charger and put them in your Ghibli.
• 1:08:00
  And I would buy a Chrysler 300 and be done with this because they're all aliezoic
• 1:08:04
  era Mercedes at the end of the day.
• 1:08:05
  I don't know.
• 1:08:06
  This is junk, man.
• 1:08:07
  I wouldn't go near this with somebody else's 16, 000.
• 1:08:11
  I'm sorry, Andrew would buy this car though.
• 1:08:13
  So let's call him up, see if he'll go get this thing and we can all
• 1:08:16
  go hoon around in a Maserati.
• 1:08:18
  He already bought a car.
• 1:08:19
  Got that Viper.
• 1:08:19
  It's just as bad.
• 1:08:20
  No, he's, he's got the, the Lexus.
• 1:08:22
  He got a Lexus?
• 1:08:23
  Was it the RC Coupe?
• 1:08:25
  Was it in a fire, a flood?
• 1:08:27
  Did it have locusts?
• 1:08:28
  What other of the seven plagues did it suffer?
• 1:08:31
  Well, it's got Andrew ownership, the eighth plague.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  So he's going to take it to the track and something's going to break on it.
• 1:08:37
  Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  And then he's going to flip it for more money than he bought
• 1:08:39
  because he's got the touch.
• 1:08:40
  Brilliant.
• 1:08:41
  Unfortunately, now it's time that we return to our conversation about
• 1:08:44
  Tesla because we would be remiss if we didn't talk about Elon.
• 1:08:47
  Oh yes.
• 1:08:49
  That's exactly who I want to talk about.
• 1:08:51
  Who cares about this guy and who cares about his boring company?
• 1:08:54
  How boring.
• 1:08:55
  Like this is still a thing you and your freaking like we're going to tunnel under
• 1:09:00
  everything and then we're going to have.
• 1:09:02
  Tesla robo taxis in Vegas.
• 1:09:05
  And, oh yeah, it's like two blocks and it's people driving
• 1:09:09
  the Teslas in the tunnels.
• 1:09:11
  Autonomous self driving level zero.
• 1:09:14
  That's when you dropped the car.
• 1:09:15
  Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Why don't you just leave the keys in it?
• 1:09:17
  Let me drive through the tunnel.
• 1:09:18
  I like how people say this was a good idea.
• 1:09:21
  They wanted it to work.
• 1:09:23
  They should have made the tunnel so you could drive completely like in a loop.
• 1:09:26
  So you just drive up on the wall and go around the loop.
• 1:09:29
  Like a loop, a loop.
• 1:09:30
  That's what he's calling the Hyperloop.
• 1:09:33
  It's like a rollercoaster.
• 1:09:34
  I get it.
• 1:09:35
  The Tesla Hyperloop.
• 1:09:37
  It's a ride at Six Flags.
• 1:09:38
  It all makes sense now.
• 1:09:40
  I don't even think the Teslas are fast enough to overcome.
• 1:09:43
  The forces needed to make it through the loop to loop the cyber truck can do it.
• 1:09:47
  , I don't know, zero to 40 miles an hour.
• 1:09:50
  They got it.
• 1:09:50
  It's just a shame they weigh 20,000 pounds.
• 1:09:53
  The thing about the boring company, that's hilarious and I can't
• 1:09:56
  believe to Tonya's point that this made news again seven years.
• 1:10:00
  We've been kicking this coffee can down the road.
• 1:10:02
  And how far have they made it, Tanya?
• 1:10:04
  A total of what?
• 1:10:05
  Apparently 2.
• 1:10:07
  4 miles.
• 1:10:07
  I mean, that's money well spent.
• 1:10:11
  It didn't take seven years to build a 2.
• 1:10:13
  4 miles.
• 1:10:14
  So how much is being spent to go nowhere?
• 1:10:16
  I mean, I guess you need to spend it.
• 1:10:19
  And I think the subtitle sort of sums up a lot of these projects, right?
• 1:10:23
  They're pet projects for a multi billionaire who's
• 1:10:25
  just like, I got an idea.
• 1:10:26
  Let me fart out, you know, a hundred million dollars and you
• 1:10:29
  can go do this thing for me.
• 1:10:30
  It says the boring company is years behind schedule and employees.
• 1:10:35
  say it's because musk had a good idea but failed to execute well it also talks
• 1:10:39
  about that like there's huge turnover because all the engineers just leave
• 1:10:42
  because the engineers are grounded in reality and he's not it sounds like and
• 1:10:47
  so if you're telling somebody this doesn't work for xyz or you know you need to
• 1:10:51
  do this abc blah blah blah and it costs this much he's like no after a while
• 1:10:55
  you're gonna be like deuces i have better things to go do isn't that the origin
• 1:10:59
  story of lucid But we haven't heard of the boring company equivalent boring 2.
• 1:11:05
  0 or not boring company.
• 1:11:07
  That's actually doing something.
• 1:11:09
  Oh, wait, it's every other person's already built a tunnel
• 1:11:12
  and a subway underground.
• 1:11:14
  Everybody keeps asking me about BYD.
• 1:11:17
  What about their presence in America?
• 1:11:19
  Is that going to happen?
• 1:11:21
  You know, I haven't seen too much on that lately.
• 1:11:23
  They are a force to be reckoned with.
• 1:11:25
  They have more global EV share than Tesla does right now, so keep an eye on them.
• 1:11:30
  BYD in America I think is a whole other political issue that remains to be seen.
• 1:11:35
  In terms of the rest of the world, obviously they got more latitude.
• 1:11:38
  But I think one of the telltale signs is this next one.
• 1:11:41
  All these rental car companies that started taking huge orders for EVs,
• 1:11:47
  specifically Teslas, because they were going to turn over their fleets of
• 1:11:49
  gas and diesel vehicles to electric.
• 1:11:53
  Sixt, S I X T, which is a very large rental company
• 1:11:57
  in Europe, a German company.
• 1:11:59
  They, like Hertz here in America, had taken huge orders for Teslas,
• 1:12:03
  and now are selling them all off.
• 1:12:06
  Because apparently the repair costs are way too much to be sustainable.
• 1:12:10
  And not that they're abandoning their quest to have 90 percent of
• 1:12:15
  their rental fleet BEVs, they're just abandoning Tesla for, to your point,
• 1:12:20
  BYD, the Chinese automaker, who's apparently not only more affordable
• 1:12:25
  just to buy the car, but also their repair costs are much more affordable.
• 1:12:30
  Because they look like normal cars.
• 1:12:33
  They're probably mass produced like normal cars.
• 1:12:36
  Good for Sixt.
• 1:12:37
  And Hertz is also selling off.
• 1:12:39
  The Tesla fleet that they had purchased, presumably for similar reasons.
• 1:12:43
  I guess all those Tom Brady advertisements didn't work for him.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  Right.
• 1:12:48
  Let's go.
• 1:12:49
  I want to interview the guy that thought that was a good idea.
• 1:12:53
  I want to pick that person's brain and be like.
• 1:12:55
  Here you are a year later, two years later, have a long spin.
• 1:12:58
  Cause we're still in this sort of like COVID time warp.
• 1:13:01
  You thought this was a good idea?
• 1:13:03
  Go big or go home.
• 1:13:04
  Sometimes you gotta swing for the fences to make a home run.
• 1:13:07
  Takes money to make money.
• 1:13:08
  You miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take.
• 1:13:10
  So he was shooting from three courts away.
• 1:13:13
  Was the 7, 500 tax credit only for individuals or were companies?
• 1:13:20
  Like Hertz who were buying these cars eligible for that
• 1:13:23
  on a per car basis as well.
• 1:13:25
  I don't remember.
• 1:13:26
  I thought that was for personal cars.
• 1:13:29
  I'm wondering if they, as well as Sixt out there in Germany, I wonder if these people
• 1:13:34
  were expecting Some sort of government funding or kickback or something, and
• 1:13:39
  it either never came or the juice wasn't worth the squeeze or something like that.
• 1:13:45
  My cynical mind is trying to figure out if there were some underlying reasons
• 1:13:49
  as to why they were buying these cars.
• 1:13:52
  Well, we have to dig into that a little bit further, but I do have a
• 1:13:54
  question for Tanya, Chevy Impala or Tesla model three is a rental car.
• 1:14:00
  Oh man.
• 1:14:02
  That's hard.
• 1:14:04
  I might just not go on the trip.
• 1:14:06
  Uber, Uber.
• 1:14:08
  Uber is the answer.
• 1:14:09
  What if your Uber is driving a Tesla?
• 1:14:12
  You know, Hey, I have been in a Model S Uber before.
• 1:14:15
  More than likely your Uber is driving a Nissan Maxima
• 1:14:18
  or they're driving an Ultima.
• 1:14:19
  Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Well, going back to our showcase, Brad Tesla, Cybertruck,
• 1:14:23
  or sweet frog franchise.
• 1:14:26
  It depends on where you put the sweet frog, because they, they
• 1:14:30
  do not succeed in all places.
• 1:14:34
  Just like the Tesla does not succeed in the North.
• 1:14:36
  Talking about not succeeding.
• 1:14:38
  This next one had me rubbing my temples.
• 1:14:40
  This one's a little bit of clickbait 1.
• 1:14:42
  2 million mile Tesla with 13 motor replacements and three
• 1:14:46
  battery pack replacements.
• 1:14:47
  And it's like, this was one of the early initial model S's that were built.
• 1:14:52
  That apparently were also known to have somewhat defective, let's say, parts.
• 1:14:56
  And if you dig into it, most of the stuff was fixed under warranty.
• 1:15:01
  And like the final battery that got put in or the last battery that got replaced
• 1:15:05
  went like 900, 000 miles if eventually they got it right through the years.
• 1:15:10
  Then it's like, is this really that big of a deal?
• 1:15:12
  I don't know, like, what's really the truth and where the parts are breaking?
• 1:15:15
  Like, this guy is an outlier.
• 1:15:17
  I don't think there's enough Teslas on the road with people driving 100,
• 1:15:20
  000 miles to understand, are these rear motors breaking still this
• 1:15:25
  consistently, or in this low mileage?
• 1:15:28
  I'm kind of like, meh about this.
• 1:15:30
  One of your first cars that was a piece of garbage anyway, had garbage
• 1:15:33
  parts in it, and then somewhere along the line, you put less garbage
• 1:15:36
  parts in, and it works better.
• 1:15:38
  Like, okay, yes, growing pains.
• 1:15:40
  I don't see too many Model S's on the road anymore, do you guys?
• 1:15:43
  Every once in a while.
• 1:15:44
  I see more Lucid Airs than I do Model S's now.
• 1:15:46
  You know what?
• 1:15:47
  Honestly, they all frickin look the same a lot, but I can't tell
• 1:15:50
  what the hell it is, and I don't even look at it, so I'm not sure.
• 1:15:53
  I think every once in a while, yes.
• 1:15:54
  I think the Model Y is the best selling Tesla right now or something like that.
• 1:15:58
  And I do see a ton of those kind of everywhere I go.
• 1:16:01
  But even the Model 3s is probably the next most popular.
• 1:16:04
  But Model Ss, when I read this article, I was like, Do they
• 1:16:06
  even make that car anymore?
• 1:16:08
  Because it has been about like 10 years since it came out.
• 1:16:10
  And I'm just like, I haven't seen one in a long time.
• 1:16:14
  I still do.
• 1:16:14
  Part I have not seen is the Model X.
• 1:16:17
  I can't remember the last time I saw a Model X.
• 1:16:19
  Did they stop production of that finally?
• 1:16:21
  They didn't, those are really kind of hard to tell between the Model
• 1:16:25
  Y and the X though, when you see them on the road, like if you're
• 1:16:28
  not really paying attention, like if you're just like glancing and seeing
• 1:16:32
  stuff, they all look so similar.
• 1:16:34
  Like we said earlier, the new Model 3 is coming with a facelift.
• 1:16:38
  It's a little more angular.
• 1:16:40
  Is it?
• 1:16:40
  I'm like, I fricking looked at it.
• 1:16:41
  I'm like, I don't pay enough attention to any of these cars to tell the difference.
• 1:16:46
  I'm like, does it look different?
• 1:16:48
  It still has that.
• 1:16:49
  Smashed Botox front face.
• 1:16:51
  It's a little less platypus than the original one.
• 1:16:54
  Maybe, I don't know.
• 1:16:56
  Before we move on, I will say about this article, this 1.
• 1:16:59
  2 million mile Tesla, Toyota called, they said, been there,
• 1:17:02
  done that with general maintenance.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  And Volvo said the same thing too.
• 1:17:06
  It's like, come on, man.
• 1:17:07
  Take your 13 motors and your three batteries.
• 1:17:10
  You could have bought this car probably 10 times over.
• 1:17:13
  What I was disappointed in.
• 1:17:15
  Well, and I guess if it was under warranty, then it.
• 1:17:17
  Didn't necessarily cost that guy much, but I'm like, how much did this Tesla
• 1:17:21
  cost you right over the last 10 years or whatever, 14 motors later, if you
• 1:17:26
  didn't have warranty or some sort of extended warranty plan, but even how
• 1:17:30
  much did they pay out to have this done?
• 1:17:31
  How much downtime did this guy incur?
• 1:17:34
  So let's say this is his only vehicle.
• 1:17:36
  It's not like a hop, skip and a jump to change these parts.
• 1:17:39
  So what was he driving while his Tesla was out of service?
• 1:17:42
  Probably driving his Volkswagen Polo.
• 1:17:49
  Well, this next one is just another didoey whistleblower says autopilot is not
• 1:17:54
  safe enough to be used on public roads.
• 1:17:56
  It's like, okay, I don't need to read the rest of this.
• 1:17:58
  I don't care.
• 1:17:59
  We're just trying to get you spun up.
• 1:18:00
  That's all it is.
• 1:18:01
  We're trying to get a rise out of you, Tanya.
• 1:18:03
  Get on your soapbox.
• 1:18:05
  I'm getting desensitized.
• 1:18:06
  We need something else.
• 1:18:08
  How do we get Tanya excited?
• 1:18:09
  You know, this next one would have me excited.
• 1:18:11
  We talked about the cyber truck and how the stainless steel bird poop
• 1:18:15
  and hair and maintenance of all that stuff and barkeeper's friend and all
• 1:18:18
  that Tesla is making this move now.
• 1:18:21
  And I think it's a cost saving maneuver because painting a
• 1:18:25
  car is actually very expensive.
• 1:18:26
  People are just paint the car and, you know, clear coat it.
• 1:18:29
  So paint shops can cost multiples of millions of dollars to do that.
• 1:18:33
  And now they're talking about wrapping their car.
• 1:18:36
  I mean, from the factory, so you can pick a rap, you know, whatever style
• 1:18:39
  you want, all this kind of thing.
• 1:18:41
  And reports are coming in that the rap quality might be as bad as the paint.
• 1:18:46
  This costs 8, 000 and that's cheaper than a paint job because if you
• 1:18:51
  went to somebody third party and had it painted, I'd think you could
• 1:18:55
  paint your car for that under that.
• 1:18:56
  But that's what the team of folks and you got to count the
• 1:18:59
  labor hours and the prep time.
• 1:19:00
  So on your fricking assembly line, it should be more cost effective.
• 1:19:05
  It's cheaper to wrap because the one robot can do the whole car in one shot.
• 1:19:08
  They prime it, wrap it, it's out.
• 1:19:10
  If you have to do multi stage painting and then the time it takes
• 1:19:14
  to cure the paint, clear the paint, buff the paint, finish the paint.
• 1:19:18
  Man, nowadays they turn around a paint job in like a.
• 1:19:22
  And they're terrible.
• 1:19:23
  If only there was a car manufacturing process that really zeroed in and
• 1:19:29
  just had this process down of making cars mass produced and painting them
• 1:19:35
  and getting them through assembly and to the market really quickly.
• 1:19:39
  Has anybody been able to do that yet?
• 1:19:41
  Not in a hundred years, my friend.
• 1:19:42
  Here you go.
• 1:19:43
  And this article even says you could go to a local body shop who
• 1:19:46
  could wrap a compact crossover car for size comparison for 3, 500.
• 1:19:51
  So what are they charging you for eight grand?
• 1:19:53
  That seems really expensive for what you're getting.
• 1:19:56
  Cyber wrapped.
• 1:19:56
  I'm sorry.
• 1:19:57
  Like I'm pretty sure the assembly line paint job would be cheaper.
• 1:20:01
  But think about it.
• 1:20:01
  You can get your cyber truck wrapped.
• 1:20:03
  In a stainless steel wrap, then you don't get the fingerprints on
• 1:20:07
  it, but it still looks the same.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  And then apparently people are complaining that there's bubbles
• 1:20:12
  and like missing pieces to the wrap.
• 1:20:14
  So the robots need to be Lego robots that can go to 0.
• 1:20:21
  0000001 micron tolerance when they layer the wrap on your car.
• 1:20:24
  But think about it this way.
• 1:20:25
  If you wrap the cyber truck, it solves the panel gap problem because
• 1:20:30
  you wrap right up for the gaps.
• 1:20:32
  And now they're sealed!
• 1:20:33
  And it looks like one smooth panel.
• 1:20:34
  He has solved the problem!
• 1:20:36
  And then when you open the door, the whole wrap rips apart.
• 1:20:39
  It looks like the wraps are ripping apart anyway.
• 1:20:41
  Well, yeah.
• 1:20:43
  No, no, no.
• 1:20:44
  It's a distressed look.
• 1:20:46
  Oh, it's distressed.
• 1:20:47
  It's patina.
• 1:20:49
  It's all the rage now.
• 1:20:51
  It's antiquing.
• 1:20:52
  I'm going to save my 8, 000.
• 1:20:54
  I'm going to go to Mako and I'm going to get the 350 on sale holiday paint job.
• 1:21:01
  What a mess.
• 1:21:02
  I'm not suggesting you go that cheap on your paint job, but there's something
• 1:21:07
  in between 350, 000 and 8, 000.
• 1:21:09
  What are we up to next?
• 1:21:10
  Yeah.
• 1:21:10
  Tesla raps about his paint jobs.
• 1:21:13
  He started his own price war with himself and he can't win it.
• 1:21:16
  This is the freaking hokey pokey that Tesla's been doing.
• 1:21:20
  You know, again, let's raise the price 200 percent and then
• 1:21:23
  we'll give you 50 percent off.
• 1:21:24
  It's like all this back and forth.
• 1:21:25
  I still don't know how much a Tesla three actually costs.
• 1:21:29
  Going back to our point about the Cybertruck, is it 50 grand?
• 1:21:32
  Is it price adjusted for inflation?
• 1:21:34
  Because it's been 10 years since they talked about it.
• 1:21:36
  And you know that when Brad bought his Cybertruck allotment,
• 1:21:39
  what is the price of these cars?
• 1:21:41
  And so.
• 1:21:42
  And to your point, Brad, even about the stock valuation, how can any of the, the
• 1:21:47
  investors keep track of this stuff too?
• 1:21:49
  If one minute we're selling a car for 35 grand and then we're selling
• 1:21:52
  it for 65 grand and then tomorrow it's 12, it's all over the map.
• 1:21:56
  They need to get this figured out.
• 1:21:57
  So they lowered the price to hit vehicle deliveries.
• 1:22:00
  But then they met expectations on the revenue side, but they also
• 1:22:04
  still didn't make deliveries.
• 1:22:05
  What the fuck are they doing?
• 1:22:07
  This screams of Ponzi scheme.
• 1:22:09
  This is like a Bernie Madoff special here.
• 1:22:12
  All right.
• 1:22:12
  That's how I feel about all those tech companies out there in Silicon Valley.
• 1:22:16
  It's all inflated bullshit.
• 1:22:18
  And I've said it before.
• 1:22:19
  Tesla is a software company, not a car company.
• 1:22:21
  They operate like a software company and it's a mess.
• 1:22:24
  For sure.
• 1:22:24
  But now they're going to get into the food business.
• 1:22:27
  Next thing you know, there'll be the Tesla show on the food network.
• 1:22:30
  Have you heard of this drive through restaurant thing
• 1:22:33
  that you don't drive through?
• 1:22:35
  First I said, how stupid?
• 1:22:36
  And then I said, well, while you're sitting there for 45 minutes, charging
• 1:22:40
  your Tesla or however long it takes, I mean, yeah, you go get a bite to eat.
• 1:22:44
  And then there's like a movie theater too, or something.
• 1:22:46
  So there you go.
• 1:22:48
  Make it an event.
• 1:22:49
  It's a whole experience just to recharge your car.
• 1:22:52
  We're taking all these old ideas and repurposing them as brand new innovations.
• 1:22:57
  You hit the nail on the head.
• 1:22:58
  It is like a Howard Johnson's the same idea was a place to go to stop.
• 1:23:03
  And I'm like, Oh my God.
• 1:23:05
  But I'm wondering if we're talking about the build quality,
• 1:23:08
  what's the food quality?
• 1:23:09
  Could it be like, it's not the Alto grill in Italy, right?
• 1:23:14
  It's crusty.
• 1:23:14
  He's crusty.
• 1:23:18
  My question is, if you don't have a Tesla, can you still eat there?
• 1:23:22
  Will there be parking in a gas pump for my tundra?
• 1:23:26
  If it's anything like what we heard about here in the last
• 1:23:29
  couple of weeks, about those.
• 1:23:30
  Tesla's getting frozen at the charging stations and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:23:34
  There's going to be gridlock.
• 1:23:35
  What are they going to do?
• 1:23:36
  Build a Bucky's where there's like 200 spots so that everybody can charge.
• 1:23:40
  There's going to be a line around the block.
• 1:23:41
  They're proposing this one in Hollywood.
• 1:23:43
  Are you kidding me with all the Tesla's that there are in Los Angeles?
• 1:23:47
  It's going to be successful, but it's also going to be super inefficient.
• 1:23:50
  It's sort of like when you go to a theme park and there's only one rollercoaster
• 1:23:54
  train running when there should be four.
• 1:23:57
  They're probably going to sell like all organic, vegan, animal free foods
• 1:24:02
  for the fruit food people in Hollywood.
• 1:24:03
  They're going to sell electrons.
• 1:24:05
  See, there'll be this like asterix in it.
• 1:24:07
  It's fine print.
• 1:24:07
  It's really not.
• 1:24:08
  It's food for humans.
• 1:24:09
  It's food for your Tesla.
• 1:24:10
  I would love to have a scoop of ice cream right now, but instead I think we're going
• 1:24:14
  to get the inside scoop on the Tesla Semi.
• 1:24:17
  Oh wait, there's more Tesla news.
• 1:24:19
  Apparently it's a hot mess.
• 1:24:20
  You're kidding me, right?
• 1:24:23
  I mean, I've never, I haven't seen one on the road.
• 1:24:25
  at all.
• 1:24:26
  I mean, not that I guess I would expect to, because I'd imagine so few.
• 1:24:29
  Didn't Pepsi buy them or something like that?
• 1:24:31
  Yes, PepsiCo, I think, was one of the first.
• 1:24:33
  Is it PepsiCo, Frito Lay?
• 1:24:34
  Are they the same or are they different?
• 1:24:36
  I think they're the same.
• 1:24:36
  Both of them, I think, took early orders and apparently some PepsiCo
• 1:24:40
  employee that must have been driving one has described it as a disaster.
• 1:24:44
  That does 400 miles at best with around the clock servicing by Tesla engineers.
• 1:24:49
  Wow.
• 1:24:50
  That sounds like a cost effective approach.
• 1:24:52
  It's going to save the world, remember?
• 1:24:54
  The Tesla Semi is going to revolutionize the trucking industry.
• 1:24:58
  In their defense.
• 1:25:00
  You gotta start somewhere.
• 1:25:02
  Somebody's gotta break the mold.
• 1:25:03
  Yes, I agree with that.
• 1:25:04
  But my bigger question is, how many of the trucks Did Pepsi return?
• 1:25:08
  I don't know.
• 1:25:09
  So they're back to gas guzzling diesels.
• 1:25:11
  I know we had Carrie Weisher on the show a while back and she's
• 1:25:15
  from the trucking industry.
• 1:25:16
  And she's sort of alluded to some changes that are happening amongst the big
• 1:25:19
  companies, you know, like Freightliner and Mac and all those, again, this is where I
• 1:25:23
  make the argument to be able to move the weight that we move in America, because
• 1:25:26
  we don't use trains in the same way we did, let's say a hundred years ago, you
• 1:25:30
  know, to move stuff around the country.
• 1:25:31
  Although we still use trains.
• 1:25:33
  I don't know why trucks didn't adopt diesel electric hybrids.
• 1:25:37
  50 years ago, the technology was already there and we've said many times before
• 1:25:41
  we're doing all this carbon offset stuff that we're doing the middle class
• 1:25:46
  average person with their Honda Civic and whatever is paying the price for
• 1:25:50
  these semi trucks and school buses and Metro buses that are belching black smoke
• 1:25:55
  out every time they go down the road.
• 1:25:57
  And it's sort of like.
• 1:25:59
  Why can't we speed up the process of getting new hybrid technology,
• 1:26:04
  not EVs, into these trucks?
• 1:26:07
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:26:08
  Tesla isn't using special grade truck parts for the Tesla Semi, i.
• 1:26:12
  e.
• 1:26:12
  weight and energy grade, heavy duty parts.
• 1:26:14
  Tesla is using car parts on the Semi, which is why it breaks down so often.
• 1:26:20
  That can't be true.
• 1:26:21
  Tesla's using Home Depot parts.
• 1:26:25
  You're right.
• 1:26:25
  This is the thing that really gets me.
• 1:26:27
  PepsiCo did a 500 mile trip with the Tesla Semi from California to
• 1:26:32
  Phoenix, but it was just for PR.
• 1:26:34
  The batteries completely burned out, which is why on these PR trips, they bring
• 1:26:39
  three Tesla Semis, with two of them being towed by diesel Semi trucks, and then
• 1:26:45
  they swap them out when the battery dies.
• 1:26:48
  Oh my god.
• 1:26:49
  It's like the Formula E, where the pit stop is they swap out the car,
• 1:26:53
  Pepsi's swapping out the trucks.
• 1:26:54
  That's really good for their logistics.
• 1:26:56
  Maybe that's the plan.
• 1:26:57
  You just have a bunch of the cabs, like, at certain checkpoints along the
• 1:27:01
  highway, and then you pull up to one, you drop the load, the other freshly
• 1:27:06
  non burned up battery cab pulls it in.
• 1:27:09
  Grabs the load and then keeps going until the next one.
• 1:27:12
  It's like a relay race.
• 1:27:13
  Yeah.
• 1:27:14
  Pass the baton.
• 1:27:15
  Then they're using pouch battery cells made in Nevada, which
• 1:27:19
  get damaged in heavy rains.
• 1:27:21
  Here is the best.
• 1:27:22
  None of the Tesla semi drivers care about the fact that the semi can accelerate
• 1:27:26
  to 60 miles an hour in 20 seconds.
• 1:27:29
  God damn.
• 1:27:31
  Yeah, because I want my like 20 ton of cumming thing to accelerate.
• 1:27:35
  in 20 seconds at 60 miles an hour and how quickly is it stopping?
• 1:27:39
  People commenting on the Tesla Isemi said it might help in passing other trucks,
• 1:27:42
  but PepsiCo's employees said nobody cared.
• 1:27:45
  Tesla uses the tri motor system from the Model S X Flad on one axle of the Semi,
• 1:27:50
  which seems both dangerous and needless.
• 1:27:52
  Given the lack of concern among semi users for a quick acceleration.
• 1:27:55
  Wow.
• 1:27:56
  What's funny is when the Tesla was first introduced in 2017, they
• 1:28:00
  touted zero to 60 in five seconds, first 20 seconds for a diesel semi.
• 1:28:06
  So now the actual drivers are saying it's going zero to 60 in 20 seconds.
• 1:28:10
  I wonder if that's empty or loaded.
• 1:28:12
  It's towing on 9 11.
• 1:28:15
  That right there, you built a semi truck capable of a zero to 60 in 20 seconds.
• 1:28:21
  Why?
• 1:28:22
  You're not grounded in reality.
• 1:28:23
  It does not need to go zero to 60 in 20 seconds.
• 1:28:27
  No, it needs to be safe and it needs to be able to walk and it needs to be durable.
• 1:28:31
  Their use case, exactly.
• 1:28:32
  It's like, I need to go distance.
• 1:28:34
  I need longevity.
• 1:28:36
  I also need safety.
• 1:28:37
  I need to hopefully be able to stop when you have a huge payload
• 1:28:42
  of tens of thousands of pounds.
• 1:28:44
  Whatever.
• 1:28:45
  There's also a bunch of talk right now too about these new sodium batteries.
• 1:28:48
  There's some stuff coming from Panasonic.
• 1:28:50
  There's some alternatives to this.
• 1:28:52
  Some people are saying that we don't need the sodium batteries,
• 1:28:54
  we don't need these other techno.
• 1:28:56
  There's a lot of shaking of the tree right now, and even though
• 1:28:58
  Tesla's been at the front of this battery technology for a while, and
• 1:29:01
  I still think the the long term game.
• 1:29:04
  The long con here has been to sell everybody their battery technology in
• 1:29:08
  the same way that Toyota has licensed their hybrid technology to most of
• 1:29:12
  the automotive industry at this point.
• 1:29:13
  But I don't see it coming if we're revolutionizing the battery technology.
• 1:29:17
  Still, I don't think lithium ion is the answer.
• 1:29:19
  We've talked about that before, and this just proves the point and the bigger the
• 1:29:23
  object gets, whether it's the cyber truck.
• 1:29:26
  Or the semi, we're not getting the range out of them that we're looking for.
• 1:29:30
  And this isn't a range anxiety thing.
• 1:29:32
  This isn't an infrastructure thing.
• 1:29:34
  Like we were arguing about, you know, three years ago, this is the
• 1:29:37
  efficacy of these vehicles at a point of stupidity, where it's just
• 1:29:41
  like, stick with what you've got.
• 1:29:43
  And this is why you haven't seen one yet.
• 1:29:46
  Yeah, they haven't made it yet.
• 1:29:47
  Well, now that you all have.
• 1:29:49
  Thoroughly lowered my expectations.
• 1:29:51
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:29:53
  Talk about something a little more fun.
• 1:29:57
  What did you guys, did you guys get anything good for Christmas?
• 1:29:59
  I got a leaf blower.
• 1:30:00
  A gasoline leaf blower.
• 1:30:02
  I got a Mercedes Lego set.
• 1:30:05
  Yeah.
• 1:30:06
  Well, you know, in our holiday shopping guide, we talked a lot about some
• 1:30:10
  really cool gifts that you could get.
• 1:30:11
  I mean, we talked about the crazy stuff, model cars and Legos and
• 1:30:14
  watches and clothing and shoes and books and you name it, right?
• 1:30:18
  Well, there was a list that came out that was sort of the antithesis
• 1:30:21
  of our holiday shopping guide.
• 1:30:23
  The worst gifts you could have received this Christmas.
• 1:30:27
  Did you guys take a look at this list?
• 1:30:28
  Some of these are.
• 1:30:29
  Pretty funny.
• 1:30:30
  Dodge Charger Shelby.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah, because I want a Chevy belt buckle.
• 1:30:34
  You know what?
• 1:30:35
  Those giant carbos are really expensive.
• 1:30:39
  Hundreds of dollars.
• 1:30:41
  That ain't no joke if you actually got somebody one of those.
• 1:30:43
  There was an event one time and we had cars on site and they were
• 1:30:47
  Promotional lottery, you know, whatever cars people were gonna put in
• 1:30:52
  sweepstakes or whatever to get them.
• 1:30:53
  They were making a donation that they would not get refunded.
• 1:30:55
  Yeah, I got you.
• 1:30:56
  Yes, but like the dealers they brought the bows to put on the car and they
• 1:31:00
  were like do not mess these bows up Like it was like a whole thing.
• 1:31:05
  They're like hundreds of dollars just for the one bow.
• 1:31:08
  They ain't cheap I love the useless multi function system.
• 1:31:12
  I actually got my dad one for his truck a couple years ago The wrong polish knob.
• 1:31:17
  I like this one, right?
• 1:31:19
  Because did you read the sub caption for this?
• 1:31:21
  And it says, a Mugen 5 speed shift knob.
• 1:31:24
  My car has a 6 speed and is German.
• 1:31:28
  And I was like, that's awesome.
• 1:31:30
  I love the ram.
• 1:31:32
  T shirt that was clearly bought at Walmart and the dream cars calendar, like who
• 1:31:37
  gives people paper calendars anymore?
• 1:31:38
  You know, I get my free one from SCCA every year.
• 1:31:41
  Don't buy me a calendar, but I think my favorite is that last
• 1:31:44
  one where it's GM parking only.
• 1:31:47
  And it's a picture of a Mustang.
• 1:31:51
  Obviously they couldn't tell the difference between
• 1:31:53
  the Mustang and the Camaro.
• 1:31:54
  And we've talked about that before.
• 1:31:56
  I think that's a gag gift.
• 1:31:58
  Speaking of gags.
• 1:32:00
  Tonya, you brought this next one to my attention.
• 1:32:02
  Oh yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Did you watch the clip?
• 1:32:04
  You were silent on it.
• 1:32:05
  I'm like, wow, I stuck this out into the world and like nobody commented on it.
• 1:32:09
  I was like, let me crawl back under my hole here.
• 1:32:12
  I saved it specifically.
• 1:32:15
  For this moment.
• 1:32:16
  I don't know how we missed this, but we need to review this movie
• 1:32:20
  with Steve and Izzy, right?
• 1:32:22
  The movie we're talking about is senior moment, starring William Shatner.
• 1:32:27
  It's epic.
• 1:32:28
  He's like a retired test pilot or something.
• 1:32:31
  And he's senior now and whatever.
• 1:32:34
  And like, he's out in his like three 56 or something in California.
• 1:32:38
  And like he rolls up next to somebody in a stoplight and is all like let's do
• 1:32:42
  this and like he's like drag racing And I think he's like 360s and across a parking
• 1:32:48
  lot or something I don't know basically gets his like license revoked and then
• 1:32:51
  it's this whole thing of him like trying to get his I think driver's license
• 1:32:55
  back and then like meet some woman who I think is into cars too or something.
• 1:32:59
  And he ends up like on a racetrack with her.
• 1:33:01
  It's like this whole thing.
• 1:33:03
  I'm like, what is going on?
• 1:33:05
  This is awesome.
• 1:33:07
  How did we miss this in the middle of COVID?
• 1:33:09
  It was 2021.
• 1:33:11
  Exactly.
• 1:33:11
  Must've been a straight to TV streaming movie.
• 1:33:14
  There was nothing in the hallmark channel, but we are definitely
• 1:33:17
  going to revisit this movie.
• 1:33:19
  We're going to pick this apart.
• 1:33:20
  We're going to get together with Stephen Izzy.
• 1:33:21
  And I think this is going to be epic.
• 1:33:23
  Thank you, Tanya.
• 1:33:24
  We have found the next movie to review.
• 1:33:26
  Not only William Shatner, but Jean Smart is like the woman in the
• 1:33:31
  movie and Jean Smart is hilarious.
• 1:33:33
  If anybody like follows her, I mean, she's been around forever in everything.
• 1:33:37
  Really good actress.
• 1:33:38
  Hilarious.
• 1:33:39
  There's some spots for Christopher Wooley too.
• 1:33:41
  Now this is going to be awesome.
• 1:33:42
  We're going to have a lot of fun with this one.
• 1:33:43
  So folks, spoiler alert, in the future, there will be a review
• 1:33:47
  of Senior Moment on Break Fix.
• 1:33:48
  So we're looking forward to doing that with Steve and Izzy.
• 1:33:50
  So thank you, Tanya, for that.
• 1:33:52
  But since we're talking about TV and movie right now, one of the
• 1:33:55
  announcements that came out here over the winter, and I don't know if.
• 1:33:57
  Anybody's actually surprised or if anybody actually cares anymore, but top
• 1:34:02
  gear has been suspended indefinitely.
• 1:34:05
  I thought that already happened like three years ago.
• 1:34:06
  No, no, no.
• 1:34:07
  Officially off the air.
• 1:34:08
  Wah, wah, wah.
• 1:34:10
  Until it comes back.
• 1:34:11
  I mean, I never knew when it was on or how to watch it after, for whatever
• 1:34:15
  reason, when I stopped with cable and I didn't get BBC America anymore.
• 1:34:19
  I had no idea how to get it.
• 1:34:21
  So I just stopped watching it.
• 1:34:22
  And Netflix lost its relationship with the BBC and then sort of got it back.
• 1:34:26
  You know, COVID messed all that stuff up and then Britbox picked it up and
• 1:34:30
  then certain other places you can get BBC America through like Philo and
• 1:34:33
  things like that, but I lost interest once Clarkson Hammond and May were gone.
• 1:34:37
  And then the grand tour was such a disappointment that you're just
• 1:34:40
  like, man, I don't care anymore.
• 1:34:42
  You know, there's still even some grand tour specials that I haven't watched.
• 1:34:45
  And I remind myself periodically, I'm like, Oh, I should watch something.
• 1:34:48
  And I'm like, Oh, I should watch the Scandi flick.
• 1:34:50
  Nah, I'll just watch reruns of Star Trek instead because it's
• 1:34:53
  like, I just don't care anymore.
• 1:34:55
  You know, there's so much other interesting stuff out there to talk
• 1:34:58
  about, whether it's Tex Mex Motors or the new season of Car Masters, which
• 1:35:03
  you can go back into our older episodes this month, William Ross and I sat down
• 1:35:07
  and reviewed season five of Car Masters.
• 1:35:09
  Cause there's some controversy there in the Ferrari world.
• 1:35:12
  And you know, there's a lot of other stuff that's gotten my attention.
• 1:35:15
  And so going back to watch.
• 1:35:16
  The same old shtick is whatever.
• 1:35:19
  And sadly, Top Gear America was not good.
• 1:35:22
  Top Gear Australia was short lived.
• 1:35:24
  I really enjoyed that.
• 1:35:25
  And then the new, they kept changing the team, except for, you know, Joey
• 1:35:29
  from Friends, you know, on Top Gear.
• 1:35:31
  And it's just like, whatever, who cares anymore?
• 1:35:34
  I thought Matt LeBlanc was actually pretty good.
• 1:35:36
  That's why they kept him around.
• 1:35:37
  Everybody else, it was like a revolving door until, you know, they
• 1:35:39
  got Chris Harris and all those guys.
• 1:35:41
  And even Chris Harris has got his own thing going on.
• 1:35:44
  But if you're a fan of his podcast.
• 1:35:46
  Even that doesn't have any sort of cadence anymore.
• 1:35:49
  It's like, oh, well, three months have gone by and he puts out another episode.
• 1:35:51
  And you're like, all right, whatever.
• 1:35:52
  And I get that he's busy doing his thing, but I think we've all sort of moved on.
• 1:35:58
  And the new generation of petrolheads aren't consuming
• 1:36:01
  this sort of media on TV anymore.
• 1:36:03
  They're consuming it on YouTube.
• 1:36:04
  So between Hoovy's Garage and Whistle and Diesel and all those guys, I
• 1:36:08
  mean, there's a million different channels you could be watching on
• 1:36:11
  YouTube and getting car reviews.
• 1:36:13
  And getting access to stuff and people hooning around and playing the fool.
• 1:36:17
  And speaking of hooning around, we also saw in the last couple of
• 1:36:20
  months, the dissolution of Hoonigan.
• 1:36:22
  All the OG guys from Hoonigan are gone.
• 1:36:25
  Like just the last one, I think it was last week said he's out, he's done.
• 1:36:29
  And so you're seeing a turnover right now in the market, in this
• 1:36:34
  automobile entertainment sector, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:36:37
  So we're going to keep doing our thing like we always have,
• 1:36:40
  but I'm curious to see what.
• 1:36:42
  Props out here in the next couple of years, if anything at all, our four
• 1:36:46
  listeners are happy that we're going to continue on arbitrage rated for listeners.
• 1:36:50
  All right.
• 1:36:50
  So be real lowered expectations, right?
• 1:36:53
  The whole thing is sort of like, wow, that caught me by surprise.
• 1:36:56
  Didn't know that was a thing, whatever.
• 1:36:58
  And you know, we.
• 1:36:59
  Made fun of this movie for such a long time.
• 1:37:03
  Oh, this is a joke, whatever.
• 1:37:04
  I had the opportunity to watch the Gran Turismo movie because I was
• 1:37:09
  delayed on a flight and I was like, well, I got a couple hours to kill.
• 1:37:11
  It's free on the airline.
• 1:37:13
  I might as well watch it.
• 1:37:14
  I went into it with low expectations as the point of this segment.
• 1:37:18
  And I came away.
• 1:37:20
  And I know you guys saw it as well.
• 1:37:21
  And I want to get your hot takes.
• 1:37:23
  I thought it was good.
• 1:37:23
  I thought it was entertaining.
• 1:37:25
  I saw it in IMAX.
• 1:37:26
  It's just something to do on a Wednesday night or something.
• 1:37:29
  I thought it was good.
• 1:37:30
  One thing I did note the Instagram personality, Amelia, I can't remember
• 1:37:35
  her last name, but she was one of the drivers in the, in the movie.
• 1:37:39
  So congratulations to her for getting a, uh, an acting gig like that.
• 1:37:42
  Good job.
• 1:37:43
  I thought it was interesting.
• 1:37:44
  I don't think it had anything to do with how that whole situation really went down,
• 1:37:49
  but it was entertaining, which I think is the whole point of a movie to begin with.
• 1:37:52
  It's supposed to be entertaining and I was entertained.
• 1:37:54
  So the thumbs up.
• 1:37:55
  Exactly.
• 1:37:56
  And I think it gave us a glimpse into the NISMO program at the time.
• 1:38:00
  It gave us a glimpse into the GT Academy and loosely based on true events.
• 1:38:04
  Now, Jan, the main character was actually in the movie and did
• 1:38:07
  his own stunt driving, which was cool, you know, on that part.
• 1:38:10
  Somebody else pointed out to me, you know, when he went through the GT
• 1:38:14
  Academy, the GTR was not available.
• 1:38:15
  He was in 350Zs.
• 1:38:17
  I don't think that the GTR wasn't available, but he didn't use it.
• 1:38:20
  Well, nobody wants to watch a movie with, you know, 20 year old Nissan 350Zs in it,
• 1:38:23
  although it would have been kind of cool.
• 1:38:25
  Yeah, I would have.
• 1:38:25
  I would have too.
• 1:38:26
  I would have preferred that.
• 1:38:27
  It would have been more exciting.
• 1:38:28
  They should have used black Honda Civics with underglow.
• 1:38:32
  They weren't actually trying to make a documentary, so there you
• 1:38:35
  have it, because they should have actually used what he drove because
• 1:38:37
  those cars are still available.
• 1:38:39
  It can be found.
• 1:38:40
  And I did have somebody ask me recently.
• 1:38:42
  I think Tanya, you're with me when, when it happened, they were like,
• 1:38:44
  so did they really win Lamont?
• 1:38:46
  The amateur class?
• 1:38:47
  Yeah, but not Lamont.
• 1:38:49
  So I was like, I'm not going to sit here and explain how sports
• 1:38:51
  car endurance racing works.
• 1:38:52
  So I just kind of nodded my head and smiled like an idiot.
• 1:38:55
  And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure did.
• 1:38:57
  And unfortunately that's the takeaway from the movie.
• 1:38:59
  It's going to give people this certain impression because once you
• 1:39:02
  put up that thing that says based on true events, how do you know
• 1:39:04
  what's fact and what's fiction?
• 1:39:06
  Tanya, we talked about this.
• 1:39:07
  His coach, the chief engineer guy, that guy did not exist.
• 1:39:11
  Obviously he had a whole team of people he was working with, but that one character,
• 1:39:15
  they needed him to move the story forward.
• 1:39:17
  I'm assuming Orlando Bloom's character sort of existed.
• 1:39:21
  That character existed.
• 1:39:22
  The things I took away from it, and I think you guys probably did too, is
• 1:39:25
  the driving sequences, the wide line and the late apex and all this stuff.
• 1:39:29
  And I was like, what in.
• 1:39:32
  Physics.
• 1:39:32
  Are you talking about sometimes I take the line and it's faster than the
• 1:39:36
  preferred line around the racetrack.
• 1:39:38
  And I'm like, offline passing is one thing, but all this nonsense,
• 1:39:42
  I'm like, dude, you're losing speed.
• 1:39:44
  Yeah.
• 1:39:44
  The further you get away from the apex, the longer you're making the track.
• 1:39:47
  Like, what are you talking about?
• 1:39:49
  You're not going to carry more speed on the exit.
• 1:39:51
  Just centrifugal force.
• 1:39:52
  It's not going to work period.
• 1:39:54
  At that moment, I had to stop myself because I was getting agitated and
• 1:39:57
  I'm like, nope, stop, it's a movie.
• 1:39:58
  Stop thinking about it.
• 1:39:59
  Just go with it.
• 1:40:00
  What kind of killed me though, was every race ended the same way.
• 1:40:05
  Two centimeters.
• 1:40:06
  Ugh.
• 1:40:07
  Difference, nose to nose.
• 1:40:08
  Like an episode of the Dukes of Hazzard where the car is midair
• 1:40:12
  and they just, See y'all next week!
• 1:40:13
  And you're like, come on, man.
• 1:40:15
  Everything's a photo finish in this movie and it's just super annoying.
• 1:40:18
  Drama.
• 1:40:19
  Oh yeah, okay, whatever.
• 1:40:20
  But, did you guys do some car spotting?
• 1:40:23
  Because there was something super cool that I appreciate the movie for.
• 1:40:26
  What did Jans It's dad drive.
• 1:40:28
  I know.
• 1:40:29
  I know.
• 1:40:29
  I was there.
• 1:40:30
  His dad drove a BR6 Corrado.
• 1:40:33
  How awesome is that?
• 1:40:34
  Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Yeah.
• 1:40:35
  That car came on the screen.
• 1:40:36
  I was like, boom.
• 1:40:37
  I'm here for this.
• 1:40:38
  Now the stupid driving sequence, you know, trying to evade
• 1:40:41
  the cops and all that stuff.
• 1:40:42
  I was like, okay.
• 1:40:43
  We owned a Corrado.
• 1:40:44
  I've driven Corrados.
• 1:40:45
  I drove my dad's Corrado.
• 1:40:46
  I learned how to drive on a Corrado.
• 1:40:49
  It doesn't do that, but okay.
• 1:40:51
  Okay.
• 1:40:51
  Maybe in the right hands it does.
• 1:40:53
  Yeah.
• 1:40:53
  And the right hands of my controller on need for speed underground.
• 1:40:56
  It sure does, but not in real life.
• 1:41:00
  It must not have had glazed rotors.
• 1:41:02
  Oh man.
• 1:41:03
  Oh God.
• 1:41:04
  Oh yeah.
• 1:41:05
  I wrecked cause I had glazed rotors.
• 1:41:06
  No, you did it.
• 1:41:07
  Yes, he did.
• 1:41:08
  Oh god.
• 1:41:09
  Because Gran Turismo on PlayStation 2 simulated glazed rotors a lot or whatever.
• 1:41:15
  Yeah, it was so dumb.
• 1:41:16
  So dumb.
• 1:41:17
  It's so realistic.
• 1:41:18
  It's so realistic.
• 1:41:20
  I just wrote a whole article about simulation racing and the realism and how
• 1:41:24
  games have changed all this kind of stuff.
• 1:41:25
  So I'm not going to go on my soapbox about that.
• 1:41:27
  I just encourage people to go to our website.
• 1:41:29
  It's like GTMotorsports.
• 1:41:30
  org and read about it.
• 1:41:31
  It's been an interesting adventure going into that, but Tanya and I recently sat
• 1:41:35
  down and watch Road to Glory, which is the group B story as told by Lancia.
• 1:41:41
  That too, we were doing fact checking while we're watching the movie.
• 1:41:45
  It's like, did that really happen to Walter Rural?
• 1:41:47
  Like, and then, you know, Michelle Mutant drives me nuts.
• 1:41:50
  Some of the acting was just whatever, but the movie itself was actually quite good.
• 1:41:54
  And I'm going to watch it again.
• 1:41:55
  I want my kids to watch.
• 1:41:56
  It didn't get good scores on Rotten Tomatoes.
• 1:41:59
  Tanya and I talked about that and it's like, who's the person
• 1:42:02
  doing the judging of this?
• 1:42:03
  Are these automotive enthusiasts?
• 1:42:05
  Are these rally fans?
• 1:42:06
  Or is it just a bunch of people going, Ah, this movie sucked.
• 1:42:08
  I didn't like it.
• 1:42:08
  I thought it was dumb.
• 1:42:09
  Growing up in the groupie era, watching these races and whatnot.
• 1:42:12
  I thought it was a good way to dramatize and sort of water down the
• 1:42:18
  struggle between Lancia and Audi.
• 1:42:20
  Yeah, they interweaved some real footage in there in a nice
• 1:42:24
  way, which was nice to see.
• 1:42:26
  Overall, the movie was entertaining, I would say questionable in terms of what
• 1:42:32
  was truly factual versus dramatization.
• 1:42:35
  And I think even the closing credits where it said, you know, based on true
• 1:42:39
  events, there was some other turn of phrase that was used that made it sound
• 1:42:43
  like it was more inspired by than based on loosely interpreted or something.
• 1:42:49
  There was definitely a disclaimer there, and it was an homage to the
• 1:42:53
  era, but it wasn't in the same way as when we reviewed the Lamborghini
• 1:42:56
  movie where you're like, This is fake.
• 1:42:59
  Don't take this as any sort of fact.
• 1:43:01
  I'd be curious to, like, find some information around, because Walter Rorel
• 1:43:05
  was a huge focal point in the movie.
• 1:43:09
  And honestly, I guess I don't really know much about him.
• 1:43:11
  But the way he was depicted, I was a little surprised by, I guess I just had an
• 1:43:15
  assumption of his personal true character.
• 1:43:18
  And it was a bit of an antithesis to that.
• 1:43:20
  So I'd be interested to see, did they actually have his buy in and
• 1:43:24
  support of the way he was represented.
• 1:43:26
  And a lot of us, especially in the Audi community, regard Walter Wuerl
• 1:43:30
  like he's a god up on Mount Olympus.
• 1:43:32
  You know, he's a hero amongst men.
• 1:43:34
  The way they painted him, you're like, man, he's a jerk.
• 1:43:36
  But I've read some articles, like in the Quattro Quarterly and stuff like that,
• 1:43:40
  where they've done these winter driving events with Walter, and I've seen some
• 1:43:43
  interviews with him and Hans Stuck.
• 1:43:45
  He seems like a nice guy.
• 1:43:46
  I don't know, maybe that's because of age.
• 1:43:48
  Maybe back then when he was younger, he was like, I'm the hot shoe.
• 1:43:51
  Everybody wants me to drive on their team.
• 1:43:53
  And so he could play these games.
• 1:43:55
  Like they sort of portrayed him doing where it's like, I'm going to drive the
• 1:43:57
  races I want to drive and to hell with the rest of your season kind of thing.
• 1:44:01
  And it really put.
• 1:44:02
  Launch on a bad spot again, if you're a race fan and you want to learn a
• 1:44:06
  little bit about rally and you want to get a taste for group B without
• 1:44:09
  watching mockumentaries and stuff like the killer B years and some of
• 1:44:13
  these other films that are out there.
• 1:44:14
  This was a good telling from an angle that hasn't been told before.
• 1:44:19
  Normally you get the Audi side of things and the Ford RS 200 and you don't
• 1:44:22
  really hear about launcher too much.
• 1:44:24
  So it was nice.
• 1:44:25
  to have a different perspective on the whole era.
• 1:44:28
  Now, I will say, I haven't gotten the opportunity to
• 1:44:30
  watch the Ferrari movie yet.
• 1:44:31
  I've been told, go in with an open mind, again, be entertained.
• 1:44:35
  So, we've got a bunch of these movies right now where it's sort of like, take
• 1:44:37
  them on face value, be entertained.
• 1:44:39
  Again, I miss the chance to see Ferrari in theaters.
• 1:44:42
  I am going to watch it and hopefully we can get together and talk about
• 1:44:46
  it, maybe review that with Steven Izzy as well, because, you know,
• 1:44:49
  there is that Hollywood aspect.
• 1:44:50
  Of the new Ferrari movie as well.
• 1:44:52
  But I've heard good things about it, so I'm excited to see that.
• 1:44:55
  So hopefully by next time, you know, we'll be able to talk
• 1:44:57
  about it a little bit more.
• 1:44:59
  But before we close out, lowered expectations, Brad, we have a
• 1:45:02
  nominee for the uncool wall.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah, . This is like the eagle eye hammer thrust right here.
• 1:45:09
  This is like the Jeep Patriot.
• 1:45:13
  It looks like the old Cherokee.
• 1:45:14
  I don't know what that is.
• 1:45:15
  The Liberty or the Patriot.
• 1:45:19
  Compass.
• 1:45:20
  That's the other one I was thinking.
• 1:45:20
  Let's read the name of this thing, shall we?
• 1:45:23
  It says here, the extremely rare and bizarre Italian coach
• 1:45:27
  built Hummer, H one T-Rex.
• 1:45:30
  It has nothing to do with a Hummer has.
• 1:45:32
  Has that person ever seen a Hummer?
• 1:45:33
  It's obviously a Jeep.
• 1:45:35
  This thing is horrendous for every Aries coach builder to build something
• 1:45:39
  that people might actually want.
• 1:45:41
  There's this.
• 1:45:43
  Will.
• 1:45:43
  I am coach builder.
• 1:45:46
  That is absolutely absurd.
• 1:45:49
  I don't get it.
• 1:45:50
  And that's just it.
• 1:45:51
  And so what I love about this is when I saw this, I laughed out loud.
• 1:45:55
  And then I said, man, Oh man, we finally got the La Forza for the new era.
• 1:46:01
  Cause if you remember that SUV handcrafted Italian made from like.
• 1:46:06
  A lot of parts out of Russia or whatever, like this is the same thing, you know,
• 1:46:10
  move it forward about 10, 20 years.
• 1:46:12
  It's abysmal.
• 1:46:13
  I mean, there's no other way to put this absolutely horrendous.
• 1:46:17
  It just proves that there's an ass for every seat because
• 1:46:20
  somebody bought this thing.
• 1:46:21
  So what's better, this or the multi blood?
• 1:46:23
  I mean, I'd buy this before I.
• 1:46:25
  Took over your Cybertruck allotment.
• 1:46:29
  Is that a circle sunroof?
• 1:46:30
  You don't have to unpack it really.
• 1:46:32
  It just gets worse.
• 1:46:33
  The more you look at it.
• 1:46:35
  We do have rich people thangs.
• 1:46:38
  Picture that I found Michael Jordan, allegedly a picture of him unveiling
• 1:46:42
  at some point, his car collection at the time of this picture, the
• 1:46:47
  second most expensive in the world.
• 1:46:48
  I don't know if that's true anymore.
• 1:46:50
  Probably not.
• 1:46:51
  But what was interesting was immediately.
• 1:46:54
  Where my eyes went by like the front row of red Ferraris with
• 1:46:57
  the rally cars on the left side.
• 1:47:00
  Yeah.
• 1:47:00
  You get the three random rally cars.
• 1:47:02
  Yes.
• 1:47:03
  Well, not just random.
• 1:47:04
  Some of the most iconic ones in history.
• 1:47:06
  Random as some of these are not like the others.
• 1:47:08
  Yes.
• 1:47:09
  Okay.
• 1:47:10
  But let's look at what they are for what they are.
• 1:47:13
  The Audi S1 Evo 2 Pikes Peak car.
• 1:47:16
  The Delta S4.
• 1:47:18
  And at 037, I'm like, holy crap.
• 1:47:21
  Those are three of the most iconic rally cars of all time.
• 1:47:24
  And if you look closely, you can't identify all the cars in this mix.
• 1:47:28
  I mean, you can point out the Countach and the 550 convertible
• 1:47:31
  in the back and the 599.
• 1:47:33
  There's a Miura, there's a R390 Nissan GT1 street version.
• 1:47:38
  He's got two EB110s.
• 1:47:40
  There's some cool stuff.
• 1:47:42
  He's got two 550 convertibles.
• 1:47:44
  And then I think the other.
• 1:47:45
  Newer Ferrari, there's like a convertible 599 or FXX or,
• 1:47:51
  yeah, Fiorano or one of those.
• 1:47:52
  Yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Yeah.
• 1:47:53
  I think it's Fiorano.
• 1:47:54
  And then the orange cars looks like an XJ220 with a wing.
• 1:47:57
  Yeah.
• 1:47:58
  That's what I was thinking too.
• 1:47:59
  So that's an XJ220LM if it has that on it.
• 1:48:02
  Each of the Ferrari halo cars, the 288 GTO, the F40 and the F50.
• 1:48:07
  If this is true, I don't know.
• 1:48:08
  That's a hell of a collection.
• 1:48:10
  Whoever it belongs to, or maybe it's all Photoshop.
• 1:48:14
  It's his Forza Garage, Project Cars here or whatever.
• 1:48:17
  That's what my Forza Garage looks like.
• 1:48:19
  100 percent it does.
• 1:48:20
  My Forza Garage would have a Fiat Panda in it.
• 1:48:23
  And an Eagle Talon.
• 1:48:24
  I can only imagine that Michael Jordan has some cool cars.
• 1:48:28
  That's all I'm going to say about this.
• 1:48:29
  So whether this is real or fiction, I'm good with it one way or the other.
• 1:48:33
  Well, now it's time we go down south.
• 1:48:36
  Talk about alligators and meat.
• 1:48:39
  Florida man.
• 1:48:52
  Except I don't think we ever do and this is what happens when
• 1:48:55
  somebody else does Florida man.
• 1:48:58
  Cause I don't know what this one has to do with anything other than being
• 1:49:02
  part of stupid criminal files, but if you're going to rob a Walmart,
• 1:49:06
  don't do it when 75 police officers are there for a shop with a cop day.
• 1:49:10
  Just saying.
• 1:49:12
  Don't rob Walmart in general, but if you're going to, cause you're stupid,
• 1:49:16
  don't do it when the PO is there.
• 1:49:20
  It says 727.
• 1:49:22
  I read that 72, 000.
• 1:49:25
  I was like, who would be thinking of 72, 000 worth of shit at Walmart?
• 1:49:29
  It's one of everything in the store.
• 1:49:32
  So don't do that.
• 1:49:33
  I'm not sure where the car relation is.
• 1:49:35
  It's holiday Florida, man.
• 1:49:37
  You see, that's the importance of it.
• 1:49:39
  Okay.
• 1:49:39
  Maybe there were Hot Wheels in the 727 worth of shit.
• 1:49:43
  Guarantee you there were.
• 1:49:44
  Probably some Power Wheels.
• 1:49:45
  Well, that's how they were moving the merchandise.
• 1:49:49
  That would have been a good story.
• 1:49:50
  Woman driving power wheels with seven hundred, uh, with six hundred and fifty.
• 1:49:56
  You gotta count the power wheels in there.
• 1:49:58
  Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  Anyway.
• 1:50:00
  Moving on.
• 1:50:01
  This next one's much better.
• 1:50:02
  I didn't know the Danes were so foolish.
• 1:50:04
  You know why this is important?
• 1:50:06
  We literally talked about this a couple drive thrus back where we said
• 1:50:10
  we've never had Danish people in the Florida Man segment and the universe.
• 1:50:15
  Provided the donor provides.
• 1:50:17
  Ah, this intrepid soul thought that they were going to keep their EV battery.
• 1:50:24
  It's not disclosed which EV this is.
• 1:50:26
  Let's just assume it's a Tesla.
• 1:50:28
  Their electric vehicle, they wanted to keep the battery warm during the
• 1:50:34
  below freezing overnight temperatures.
• 1:50:37
  What do you think they did?
• 1:50:38
  Have a garage?
• 1:50:40
  Have a heated garage?
• 1:50:41
  Maybe they exist, I don't know, like, blanket?
• 1:50:44
  Like, the diesel engines you can get?
• 1:50:46
  The warming blankets?
• 1:50:47
  I think it's probably a bad idea on the battery in general, and that
• 1:50:50
  you can't get that, but this guy thought putting a toaster on the
• 1:50:53
  highest setting possible under the car, presumably touching the battery.
• 1:51:01
  It was a good idea.
• 1:51:03
  The whole damn thing burnt to the ground.
• 1:51:05
  It worked.
• 1:51:06
  The battery was warm.
• 1:51:07
  The battery was warm.
• 1:51:08
  The battery was warm.
• 1:51:09
  That's all you can ask for.
• 1:51:11
  It was warm for quite a while too.
• 1:51:13
  I applaud his ingenuity.
• 1:51:15
  I love the subheading here.
• 1:51:17
  Danish police say they strongly discourage this practice.
• 1:51:21
  To me that implies that it's happened more than once.
• 1:51:25
  There's a run on people heating their EVs with toasters?
• 1:51:28
  Or space heaters or something?
• 1:51:30
  Space heaters, yeah.
• 1:51:31
  So this begs the question, my diesel has a plug with an engine warmer
• 1:51:37
  that I can plug in in the winter.
• 1:51:38
  You've got an engine block heater.
• 1:51:39
  Yeah, so.
• 1:51:40
  The electric car is already plugged in.
• 1:51:42
  Why aren't the manufacturers creating a system that pulls the electricity from
• 1:51:46
  the wall and keeps the batteries at a temperature that is comfortable for
• 1:51:50
  them in these sub below temperatures?
• 1:51:52
  Well, I don't get it here.
• 1:51:53
  What possesses people?
• 1:51:54
  It would use too much battery power to keep the battery warm, but it's
• 1:51:57
  plugged in or you live somewhere where it's like sub Arctic temperatures.
• 1:52:03
  Don't have an EV because they're not going to be great.
• 1:52:05
  I mean, bless you for thinking of the environment in terms of
• 1:52:08
  emissions from your tailpipe.
• 1:52:10
  But how many pollutants does a melting EV put into the atmosphere?
• 1:52:14
  That's what I want to know.
• 1:52:16
  They probably can never recoup that.
• 1:52:18
  All the toxins that got released in the burning of that vehicle.
• 1:52:22
  That's a government grant.
• 1:52:24
  I would be okay with subsidizing.
• 1:52:26
  Let's do a study on when a Tesla burns to the ground, how many hydrocarbons
• 1:52:31
  does that put into the atmosphere?
• 1:52:33
  But EVs burn to the ground far less often than ICE vehicles.
• 1:52:38
  Tell me they burn cleaner.
• 1:52:39
  That's all I want to know.
• 1:52:40
  Yeah, that's the clean incineration of your vehicle.
• 1:52:44
  All right, this next one had a video with it, but the video doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:52:49
  So it's really hard to understand what's actually happening.
• 1:52:51
  Somebody driving a dump truck abandoned it on the highway.
• 1:52:55
  And then almost got plowed into by a cement truck.
• 1:52:58
  But also, did you notice in the photograph, they
• 1:53:00
  put a spotlight on the guy.
• 1:53:02
  What's in the left lane that he almost got hit by as well?
• 1:53:04
  Well, that's who recorded the video.
• 1:53:06
  A Tesla dash cam caught it.
• 1:53:08
  See, it's Tesla's everywhere.
• 1:53:09
  Without seeing the video, it's hard to say what actually we're
• 1:53:13
  supposed to get out of this.
• 1:53:14
  Because one photo, the dump truck was literally just.
• 1:53:17
  Stopped in a lane of traffic and it's a foggy situation.
• 1:53:20
  I don't necessarily blame him for wanting to get out of the car.
• 1:53:23
  Are you safe?
• 1:53:24
  Stop dead in a lane of moving traffic.
• 1:53:26
  You're safer in the car than out.
• 1:53:28
  I don't know if you are or not.
• 1:53:30
  I call this the Tony Stewart rule.
• 1:53:32
  We learned this at the track all the time.
• 1:53:34
  Never get out of the vehicle unless it's on fire, and if it is, go somewhere safe.
• 1:53:40
  Again, what possesses people to do shit like this?
• 1:53:43
  I still feel like it's safer to be in a vehicle on the highway than to
• 1:53:47
  be out of the vehicle on the highway.
• 1:53:49
  Suspended on a bridge like that?
• 1:53:50
  You're stuck.
• 1:53:51
  But if you were somewhere where you could go over the Jersey wall behind a guardrail
• 1:53:55
  and be far away from your vehicle, I'd say it's safer to get the hell out than
• 1:53:59
  have some asshole who's texting rear end you because that happens all the time.
• 1:54:02
  In that instance.
• 1:54:03
  Yes, I would say so.
• 1:54:04
  But this guy clearly didn't have any situational awareness to see.
• 1:54:08
  I mean, yes, he's on a bridge.
• 1:54:09
  Where the fuck is he going to go?
• 1:54:10
  Some people in the comments who saw the video were like, the cement
• 1:54:13
  truck was headed straight for him.
• 1:54:15
  If you saw cement truck heading straight for you, what would you do?
• 1:54:17
  Stand there?
• 1:54:18
  I don't know.
• 1:54:19
  Well, no, I wouldn't be out of the car, period.
• 1:54:21
  I'll say this in closing.
• 1:54:22
  We'll never know except for the few photographs that are lingering around,
• 1:54:25
  because not only was the video taken down, to Tanya's point, if you read closely
• 1:54:30
  the warning from YouTube, it's not just like, Oh, the user, the author creator of
• 1:54:34
  this video has remove this or whatever.
• 1:54:36
  It literally says the video is no longer available because the
• 1:54:39
  YouTube account associated with the video has been terminated.
• 1:54:43
  I don't know what that means.
• 1:54:44
  Something really egregious happened here.
• 1:54:46
  Like I don't really know.
• 1:54:47
  So I don't think it was a publicity stunt or anything, but it is a public
• 1:54:51
  service announcement in the sense that to Tanya's point, if you're
• 1:54:54
  on a bridge, you're sort of stuck.
• 1:54:55
  But I tend to agree that if you can get your vehicle.
• 1:54:59
  Off the road as it's becoming incapacitated and you can get away from
• 1:55:03
  your car with your cell phone, you're probably better off over the wall in
• 1:55:08
  the woods as far away from it because that chance that the truck driver
• 1:55:13
  or that another Tesla or whatever it is, isn't paying attention and hits
• 1:55:17
  you could be pretty high these days.
• 1:55:18
  So when you do exit, don't do like this guy, don't exit into traffic,
• 1:55:23
  crawl across your interior, you know, exit out the passenger side,
• 1:55:26
  especially if you're in the right shoulder, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:55:28
  Use common sense at the end of the day.
• 1:55:30
  And finally, this last one, who needs the Tesla semi?
• 1:55:34
  You must've been planning this because you hook up your, what is this?
• 1:55:38
  A model model?
• 1:55:38
  Why you're able to hitch it randomly to the 53 foot trailer.
• 1:55:43
  Like what was this?
• 1:55:44
  Daniel, is that possible that your hitch just can connect?
• 1:55:48
  You must've purposely planned this and like had time to make sure you had
• 1:55:51
  the correct hitch to mate with this.
• 1:55:53
  trailer he got the right attachments and jerry rigged something onto the trail
• 1:55:57
  was that in the foundation edition maybe this is in the tri mode or cyber beast
• 1:56:01
  edition did you see the tiktok video though like this was done on purpose
• 1:56:05
  i'm guessing that the trailer yeah it's empty it was 100 percent done on
• 1:56:09
  purpose there he is doing like Three miles an hour towing this thing and then
• 1:56:13
  he turns across traffic, but it did it.
• 1:56:15
  He's pulling it.
• 1:56:16
  And that's the thing about towing, right?
• 1:56:18
  I mean, we joke all the time about the Europeans and they'll tow a
• 1:56:21
  vacation camper van behind them with a Seat Ibiza or whatever the
• 1:56:25
  1600, you know, four cylinder.
• 1:56:27
  But the thing is, once you overcome the inertia and you start rolling
• 1:56:31
  a lot of the big trucks, it's sort of a waste in the sense.
• 1:56:34
  And I understand the science that he's proving here that you don't need an F.
• 1:56:38
  475 triple diesel, you know, smokestacks and all this stuff.
• 1:56:43
  Did the batteries burn up?
• 1:56:44
  Right.
• 1:56:44
  You put a lot of stress on that Model Y at the end of the day.
• 1:56:47
  And that's where the big trucks have the advantage.
• 1:56:49
  They can pull a lot of weight with ease.
• 1:56:53
  But once you're rolling at 50 miles an hour.
• 1:56:55
  The most important thing at that point is how big are your brakes?
• 1:56:58
  How quickly can you stop that weight?
• 1:57:00
  But once you've overcome the inertia, eh, it's all about the same, right?
• 1:57:04
  I'll give credit where credit is due.
• 1:57:06
  As stupid as this is, the Tesla Y did it, but I don't know if he
• 1:57:10
  was carrying pillows in the back.
• 1:57:12
  The weight of an unladen trailer is heavy.
• 1:57:14
  It did it, but we don't know that that Tesla's gonna go another
• 1:57:18
  100 miles down the road before.
• 1:57:20
  It's under warranty, 13 motors later, it'll be fine.
• 1:57:24
  We already know this.
• 1:57:25
  If you go back to the PepsiCo Tesla semi truck that it couldn't
• 1:57:28
  do 400 miles, it burned itself up.
• 1:57:30
  It probably had an empty payload and it burned the batteries up in the
• 1:57:34
  motor or whatever for going 400 miles.
• 1:57:36
  It's allegedly designed to be a tractor trailer.
• 1:57:39
  And this thing pulled a trailer.
• 1:57:41
  I don't know.
• 1:57:41
  Oh, you said it before the Tesla semi is built with car parts.
• 1:57:45
  What you saw here is this is the Tesla semi.
• 1:57:48
  You just put the bigger body on top of the model Y and you
• 1:57:52
  have the semi weight reduction.
• 1:57:55
  This is Tesla semi 2.
• 1:57:56
  0.
• 1:57:57
  This is the Tesla semi superleggera.
• 1:58:01
  You get the plaid edition, then you get the speed key, triple
• 1:58:05
  motors, the whole nine yards.
• 1:58:06
  Could the model Y do zero to 16, 20 seconds?
• 1:58:09
  With the trailer.
• 1:58:10
  Yeah.
• 1:58:10
  A hundred percent.
• 1:58:11
  That rounds out our Florida man for the winter, Tanya.
• 1:58:14
  I'm looking forward to, as we come out of the winter freeze, what
• 1:58:18
  will blossom in the great state.
• 1:58:20
  State of Florida for us, you know, great stories that we get
• 1:58:22
  to tell throughout the year.
• 1:58:23
  So looking forward to it.
• 1:58:24
  And for those of you that are missing out on a great Florida man
• 1:58:26
  stories, go back to last month.
• 1:58:28
  We did our best of Florida man stories from the year, incorporating
• 1:58:32
  some new stuff in there too, that you haven't had heard before.
• 1:58:34
  So it was a lot of fun.
• 1:58:36
  So hopefully if you didn't catch it, go back and listen to it.
• 1:58:38
  And if you did, we hope we put a smile on your face, more to come
• 1:58:41
  from Florida man throughout the year.
• 1:58:43
  But now it's time to go behind the pit wall, talk about sports news.
• 1:58:48
  Of which we have none on this list because it's the middle of winter and
• 1:58:51
  the seasons really haven't kicked off.
• 1:58:53
  There's no formula one right now.
• 1:58:55
  You know, everything's really still in its gestation period.
• 1:58:57
  The only event that I can think of that's of importance or significance
• 1:59:01
  right now is kicking off the sports car and endurance series.
• 1:59:05
  At the end of January at the Rolex 24 hours.
• 1:59:09
  So I'm really looking forward to watching Rolex from the
• 1:59:12
  comfort of my couch this year.
• 1:59:13
  As we talked about last year, it's a great way to kick off the year.
• 1:59:16
  And I am also looking forward to my membership to the ACO, getting access
• 1:59:21
  to the WEC races leading up to Le Mans.
• 1:59:24
  And then, you know, I'm thinking.
• 1:59:25
  Maybe we'll go back to Rhode Atlanta for petite again this year.
• 1:59:28
  That was a lot of fun last year.
• 1:59:29
  It was great getting together with friends down there, making new
• 1:59:32
  friends while I was down there.
• 1:59:33
  Really looking forward to the sports car and endurance scheduled this year.
• 1:59:36
  And as a bonus, some of our new co hosts on break fix that'll be
• 1:59:41
  coming on throughout the year that you'll get to hear their voices.
• 1:59:44
  A couple of us are actually rally fans.
• 1:59:46
  So we're going to be doing some like quarterly rally recaps instead of doing
• 1:59:49
  it inside of the drive thru episode.
• 1:59:51
  So you can totally fast forward and skip over those episodes
• 1:59:54
  if you're not interested.
• 1:59:55
  But if you want to learn more about WRC, we're going to be doing
• 1:59:59
  some specials throughout the year.
• 2:00:00
  So I'm really looking forward to doing some coverage with some
• 2:00:03
  other fans of rally this year.
• 2:00:06
  You guys have any events that you're looking forward to?
• 2:00:08
  Any news, any rumblings in formula one?
• 2:00:10
  I mean, all the new livery press events are being set up and McLaren just
• 2:00:16
  dropped a bomb on everybody and release.
• 2:00:17
  There's just randomly that looks like last year's and the year before.
• 2:00:21
  Yeah.
• 2:00:21
  All the cars always look like the year before.
• 2:00:24
  The only one that'll be different this year, I guess, is Alfa
• 2:00:27
  Romeo is no longer Alfa Romeo.
• 2:00:29
  They're steak.
• 2:00:31
  Yeah.
• 2:00:31
  That's a cool name.
• 2:00:32
  That's a gap year, right?
• 2:00:34
  Until Audi comes on next.
• 2:00:35
  Year possibly.
• 2:00:36
  Is Audi still coming?
• 2:00:37
  I don't know.
• 2:00:37
  Is Andretti buying Haas?
• 2:00:39
  I mean, there's all that drama too, right?
• 2:00:40
  No.
• 2:00:40
  , I mean, yeah, not true bombshell.
• 2:00:43
  I guess in F1 right now is that Gunther Steiner is no longer the principal
• 2:00:48
  for Haas who gives a crap good.
• 2:00:50
  Like why did Gene keep him as long as he did?
• 2:00:52
  Because of the ratings are drive to survive.
• 2:00:54
  Yeah, he was a personality.
• 2:00:56
  Force or a farce.
• 2:00:58
  I don't know.
• 2:00:58
  One of the two.
• 2:00:59
  I like them.
• 2:01:00
  I like them.
• 2:01:00
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• 2:01:05
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• 2:01:43
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