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A Walk to Remember with Sam Varela · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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  Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy Zef and
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  Speaker 1: Best start changing it with the beck Del cast. Caitlin,
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  Speaker 1: I just wish that Jamie got her miracle? Are you
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  Speaker 1: talking about you, Jamie? I'm talking about or I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about Jamie Sullivan, Jamie, you know, the one with the
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  Speaker 1: brown hair. Okay, so you. I hope that she got
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  Speaker 1: her miracle. I hope that Jamie got her miracle too,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about you specifically. Well she did, it's you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your miracle. Oh my god. I this I liked, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: of all that, there's so many corny moments in A
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  Speaker 1: Walk to Remember, which is today's episode, and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to what this show is in a second. But I
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  Speaker 1: really some of the like flourish of bad writing, where
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  Speaker 1: there's like moments in this movie where the line is like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's like corny, but it's not bad. But then they'll
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  Speaker 1: add more to the line and it gets worse, like
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  Speaker 1: they could the priest should have just said she did,
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  Speaker 1: but then he said she did dot dot dot and
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  Speaker 1: like assuming. People in the audience were like, what does
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  Speaker 1: he mean by that? Because it was you? And and
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  Speaker 1: then Shane west cost Oh it was me. It was me, Okay, me,
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm never going to stop going to church.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bachtel cast a k A church. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: my name's Jamie Church Church. Oh God, just for for
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  Speaker 1: one week only. Welcome to the Bechtel Church. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Darante. And this
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  Speaker 1: is our little podcast where we we talked about your
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  Speaker 1: favorite at least favorite and also other movies using an
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  Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens, and we use the Bechtel test as
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  Speaker 1: a jumping off point. It initiates a larger conversation that
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  Speaker 1: will have and the Bechdel Test, of course, is a
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  Speaker 1: media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called
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  Speaker 1: the Bechtel Wallace Test. Our variation on the test requires
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  Speaker 1: that two people of any marginalized gender have names speak
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  Speaker 1: to each other about something other than a man. For
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  Speaker 1: ideally it's a meaningful, narratively relevant conversation yea which which
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  Speaker 1: does come into play with this movie in particular, where
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  Speaker 1: not to blow it. But there are women do speak
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  Speaker 1: to each other in this movie, but it's never very important.
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  Speaker 1: It's not very important when they're talking, unless I mean
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  Speaker 1: they're bullying Mandy Moore. The women are talking to each other,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, Mandy Moore sucks, and then other girls like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I hate her sweater, and you're like, I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's sort of Narratively, it's relevant. I suppose it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's relevant because but also for some reason, bullying doesn't
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  Speaker 1: affect Jamie, because Jamie's are famously impervious to bully. I
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  Speaker 1: know this from experience, having constantly tried to bully you,
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  Speaker 1: and it never works. I always just go I do
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  Speaker 1: with Mandy Mordez, I guess I go, they're so mature,
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  Speaker 1: they need God. That's what I do whenever someone tries
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  Speaker 1: to bully me. I said, you should come to my
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  Speaker 1: dad's church sometime. Yeah. Well, we're doing a walk to
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  Speaker 1: remember today and we have an incredible guest. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: She is a comedy producer. You can see her stuff
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  Speaker 1: at Naked Comedy dot org. It's Sam Farella. Welcome, Welcome,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to me. I don't want to spoil anything either,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have to say, I think I think
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  Speaker 1: there was one instance of the bully, of the of
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  Speaker 1: Jamie being cracked by the bullying, which might also be
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  Speaker 1: something relative to the name of this podcast. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That is true there because Belinda, I believe this movie.
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  Speaker 1: This movie is so like it's just like bizarre in
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  Speaker 1: so many ways where I it's the book takes place
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. The movie takes place allegedly in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, but it seems like it's still Everyone
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  Speaker 1: still looks like it's the nineteen fifties. Everyone's still dressed
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  Speaker 1: like Greaser's but they have Missy Elliott c ds. It
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  Speaker 1: was really bizarre, But yeah, there was. There was a
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  Speaker 1: Becktel test pass where Belinda says want a tik tak
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  Speaker 1: and Jamie says, no, thanks. There it is right there.
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  Speaker 1: It is it. If you argue that's not impactful, I
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  Speaker 1: have an whole essay high completely. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: those movies that I just simply forgot to pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to whether or not it passes the Bechdel test. But
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  Speaker 1: I do remember that exchange, and it's it's crucial to
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  Speaker 1: understanding the film. Right before some very two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: two photoshop bullying, which is one which is one of
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  Speaker 1: the main which I think is one of again one
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  Speaker 1: of the only things that firmly roots that movie in
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  Speaker 1: the late nineties, because I swear to God, like I
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  Speaker 1: think most of the movie could convincingly take place in
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  Speaker 1: any year in the second half, any decade of the
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  Speaker 1: twentieth century, except they have photoshop, and they have switch
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  Speaker 1: Foot and they have like that's about it, right, Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, Well I this movie. I'm gonna this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge. Uh Sam, what is your history
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  Speaker 1: with a walk to remember? Well, I have a very
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  Speaker 1: particular history. That is that I this movie I think
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  Speaker 1: was one of my first boyfriend's favorite movies. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was the one that brought it to me, brought
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  Speaker 1: it to the table, and you know, in high school
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  Speaker 1: seduction classic move I of course memorized only hope and
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  Speaker 1: saying it I think a few times, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: get in the mood. It's very complicated. I have a
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  Speaker 1: complicated romantic past. But um, definitely on the rewatch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: toxic Romance definitely made a lot more sense to my
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  Speaker 1: personal connection to this movie. So you would sing, wait,
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  Speaker 1: how does the song go and my hands and pray
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  Speaker 1: to be only yours. I pray to be only yours. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're oh, oh my god beautiful. If I ever had
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  Speaker 1: an SNL audition, it would be that one song, because
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  Speaker 1: I rememorized it that like, I've taken singing lessons since
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  Speaker 1: and tried to learn to sing that song, and they're
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  Speaker 1: like pointing out the issues. I'm like, but that's how
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  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore sings it. That's how I know how to
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  Speaker 1: sing it. That is the beauty of Mandy Moore in
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  Speaker 1: many ways, where she was a pop star who was
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily a great singer, but she was like a
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  Speaker 1: solid high school sopranos, so her songs are like not
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  Speaker 1: hard to sing if you were in choir, Like anyone
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  Speaker 1: in choire can sing Mandy Moore's entire discography no problem.
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  Speaker 1: Though I didn't know till this one, and my you know,
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  Speaker 1: subsequential obsession of googling a bunch of stuff. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that. I didn't know the Switchfoot story, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know this was originally a switch Foot song, which
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  Speaker 1: really blew my mind. It sounds weird. If you wait, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you would guess it's the other way around. They're covering her,
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  Speaker 1: but no, no, she's covering them. Who is switch Foot?
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  Speaker 1: What is that? Are they of? Like for real Christian
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  Speaker 1: band or they This was one of my googles. So
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  Speaker 1: they have come out as they are Christian and Faith
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  Speaker 1: not in format. They are not. They do not consider
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  Speaker 1: themselves Christian music. But it's highly debated online. But Faith
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  Speaker 1: not in format. Wow, that's good dodgy language. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess Mandy Moore was obsessed with them and
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  Speaker 1: turned the music supervisor of this production onto them, and
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  Speaker 1: they were like, we gotta have switch Foot. This is
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  Speaker 1: the sound of the movie. So there's four or five
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  Speaker 1: songs from Switchfoot on the soundtrack, which in an interview
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  Speaker 1: so that I watched again, I went real deep. Shane
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  Speaker 1: West said it might have gone platinum the album for this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. I couldn't um, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess Only Hope was a song that they
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  Speaker 1: had written even before the movie. This was just a
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  Speaker 1: song of theirs and they were like, that's her song
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  Speaker 1: for the movie. So at least if you hear a
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  Speaker 1: man singing it, it does read more Christian than in
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  Speaker 1: this movie where It is like some sort of sexual
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  Speaker 1: power play song. Also, the song gets performed in its
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  Speaker 1: entirety in the movie during a high school production of
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  Speaker 1: like twenties Mobster. What is that play about? What's going
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  Speaker 1: on in that play? Why would you sing that at
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  Speaker 1: a nightclub? Right? I went back to like rewatch the
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  Speaker 1: set uppre scene, and I still can't make answer tells
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  Speaker 1: of what sets up that song or why this mobster
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  Speaker 1: would be her only hope. I he was trying to
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  Speaker 1: remember a dream and then he got shocked by her
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  Speaker 1: body and then he just was like the song you
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  Speaker 1: messing for me? Yeah? Blew, my mind doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the play is about. There's a
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  Speaker 1: really long montage also where they're rehearsing for the play
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  Speaker 1: that's like edited in a way where you're like, what
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  Speaker 1: on earth am I watching? So? Yeah, the play is confusing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Sam, you have a you have a maybe a
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  Speaker 1: torrid history with this film, Jamie, what's your relationship in
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  Speaker 1: history with it? Um? It's not quite that level, but
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty intense where this I I loved this movie
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I don't think I saw
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  Speaker 1: it in theaters, but there. I remember my cousin telling me,
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  Speaker 1: which is in retrospect, it was like, this was not nice.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, she's like, Mandy Moore is in a
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  Speaker 1: movie and she has your name, and she has the
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  Speaker 1: same color hair as you. You have to see it.
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  Speaker 1: What she did not say is that she dies there,
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  Speaker 1: so so she and so I guess if you haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen A Walk to remember, Mandy Moore famously dies in
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  Speaker 1: the movie. But I but I remember like going to
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  Speaker 1: the movie not being like whenever like nine, not realizing
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  Speaker 1: that Mandy Moore was doomed, and being like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: this is so me. I'm not like the other girls.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Jamie, I have brown hair. And then
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  Speaker 1: in the like when it becomes clear that she's doomed,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this sucks. No one's ever no one's
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  Speaker 1: And then I've really turned on the movie hard. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, why would you have why would this be
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  Speaker 1: the only movie character named after me? And then she
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  Speaker 1: dies that said, I really I've seen this movie. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen it in easily ten years, but I saw
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  Speaker 1: it a lot when I was younger. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I I really I feel like this movie. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: not raised particularly religious at all, Like we went to church,
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  Speaker 1: but it just felt like, I don't know, it was
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  Speaker 1: I didn't grow up especially religious, and once I was
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  Speaker 1: like twelve, we just were like, well, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we've done the whole religion thing and we left. But
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  Speaker 1: this was as close to being religious as I ever got.
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  Speaker 1: Was being like A Walk to Remember is a really
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  Speaker 1: powerful story, you know, like it I really loved. I
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  Speaker 1: had a huge crush on Mandy Moore and Shane West
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  Speaker 1: and I just I really and oh oh. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing about this movie was that when I was little,
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  Speaker 1: I had like a one of those pull out of
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  Speaker 1: a magazine posters of Mandy Moore, and I forgot I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I might have brought this up on the
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  Speaker 1: show years ago, but I had this poster of Mandy
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  Speaker 1: Moore hanging in my room and I thought that she
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  Speaker 1: could see me and watch me, and I was so
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  Speaker 1: scared of the poster. So this would be in that
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  Speaker 1: time too, where I was like I was, I loved
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  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore and I wanted her on my wall, but
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  Speaker 1: I also was really scared of her because I thought
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  Speaker 1: she knew what I what I was doing amazing, And
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  Speaker 1: so eventually my mom took the poster down and I
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  Speaker 1: got mad, but she was just like, let's end this,
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  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore can't see you. It was it must have
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  Speaker 1: been one of those like bizarre pictures where it just
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  Speaker 1: like it. I felt like the eyes were following me.
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  Speaker 1: That was the thing. It was like a Mona Lisa
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, so maybe Moore is my Mona Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: That's my history with the movie, Caitlin, with your history
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  Speaker 1: with a walk to remember, I don't have an extensive one.
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  Speaker 1: This movie came out when I was a sophomore or
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  Speaker 1: junior in high school sometime around then, so I was
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  Speaker 1: like peak demographic for this movie. But this was also
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  Speaker 1: when I was very firmly like I don't like girl things,
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  Speaker 1: no things. So this movie came out and it was
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  Speaker 1: a huge hit among my friends, and I saw it
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  Speaker 1: because of that. Probably it's like a sleepover or just
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're hanging out and we watched it
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, this movie is not for me.
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  Speaker 1: And that was really the only time I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Part of Stone, I am my truly. My heart is
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  Speaker 1: a lump of coal in my chest, and I have
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  Speaker 1: no feelings. I'm sure I was like moved by it,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know this. That's my history with it
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  Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, this movie exists, I'll watch
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  Speaker 1: it once in two thousand two and then never again.
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  Speaker 1: So but watching it back was interesting, and I will
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  Speaker 1: say that it is while it's still has its issues,
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  Speaker 1: it's less full of issues than I thought it would
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  Speaker 1: be for a teen movie that comes out in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand two, I would agree with that. Yeah, it had
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  Speaker 1: it held up better than I was expecting, which isn't
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  Speaker 1: to say that it super holds up, but it for
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  Speaker 1: what it was. Where I like Christian E teen movie
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Sparks early two thousand's, you would think that it
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  Speaker 1: would be much worse than it actually did. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is my favorite of the Nicholas Sparks adaptations I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: This remains my favorite one. I um took it upon
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  Speaker 1: myself to just here's what I'll suggests the listeners do
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  Speaker 1: google Nicholas Sparks movies, and I think like eleven different
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  Speaker 1: things come up because he's had many adaptations of his
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  Speaker 1: novels into movies, and all of the posters will just
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  Speaker 1: like be right there in front of you all side
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  Speaker 1: by side every poster is identical. Wait, this is funny.
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  Speaker 1: You can also google the Nicholas Sparks collection that just
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  Speaker 1: has all four has like four matching posters as its cover.
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  Speaker 1: Two straight white people with their heads really close together. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: either facing away from each other or facing towards each other.
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  Speaker 1: Like some of them they're like face to face. Other
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  Speaker 1: ones like the man is behind the woman. They're all
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  Speaker 1: in some kind of like warm pink or yellow. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of heads are being grabbed to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: grabbing of heads. Richard Gear is grabbing Diane Lane's head
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  Speaker 1: for Knights of Road, Danty. He's like like a real vice.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with safe Haven, which is I think Josh Dumel,
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  Speaker 1: And then I don't know who the lady, who the
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  Speaker 1: woman is in it. I don't know what half of
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  Speaker 1: these are. Yeah, I don't know safe Haven. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the best of Me. I don't know the Lucky One.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the longest ride these there's so many.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen the Lucky One because I will watch to
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  Speaker 1: anything that zac Efron is in. Do you guys know
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  Speaker 1: if the other Nicholas Sparks movies are as religious? I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get a clear answer on the Internet. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's not really because I've I've seen probably half of
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  Speaker 1: these and the only one I've seen multiple times is
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  Speaker 1: The Notebook and now A Walk to Remember. But of
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  Speaker 1: the other ones, I think they're not. The religious over
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  Speaker 1: or undertones are not quite there the way they are
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  Speaker 1: in the Walk to Remember, at least for the ones
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  Speaker 1: I've seen. I kind of wonder where that comes from,
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  Speaker 1: like because I don't I might have read the book
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  Speaker 1: when I was in like junior high or something. I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember anything about it. I know a lot was changed,
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  Speaker 1: but I wonder if like the book is as like
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  Speaker 1: bonking you with the like have faith in people message,
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  Speaker 1: because I know that she was religious the person that's
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  Speaker 1: based off of, and she did have a Bible she
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  Speaker 1: gave away kind of thing. But I tried all the Googles.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything to be like, why is this
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  Speaker 1: movie so not just religio just but like like it's
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  Speaker 1: hammering you with the moral elements of religion. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: who paid for this? Like what's happening? Well? I did
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  Speaker 1: a like google of Nicholas Sparks and his life to
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  Speaker 1: see if there's been anything of note, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: like he personally is quite religious and founded a Christian
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  Speaker 1: school which tried to form an l g B t
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  Speaker 1: Q club, which he then tried to ban, know what, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then students were protesting that, and then he banned
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  Speaker 1: the protests of it, so like he can't ban protests.
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  Speaker 1: What did you see his quote about it? Yeah? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god. And then sometime later he backtracked on all
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  Speaker 1: this and he's like, no, wait, I'm an ally, and
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  Speaker 1: the reason that my school has no diversity in it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the school. It's these
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  Speaker 1: other flimsy reasons. So he like saying all this problematic
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  Speaker 1: stuff in like I don't know or something, and then
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  Speaker 1: he's walked it all back and been like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually an ally. Please let me still have a career. Like,
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  Speaker 1: but did you see the quote where he was like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need this. He was the reason he said
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  Speaker 1: the reason he banned those organizations was because essentially it
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  Speaker 1: was we don't need these out and open these kind
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  Speaker 1: of clubs like they have always been gays in Catholicism.
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  Speaker 1: They just handled it more delicately and like that was
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  Speaker 1: his stance on it was like, stay in the closet
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  Speaker 1: and we'll all get along. Yikes, that's such horseshit, especially
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  Speaker 1: because it's like this, this movie is directed by an
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  Speaker 1: openly gay man who was openly gay at the time
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  Speaker 1: the movie was directed. I believe, like it's like, yeah, god,
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  Speaker 1: that's so. I mean, I guess I'm not surprised that
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Sparks fucking sucks, but I did not know that
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  Speaker 1: portion of his life. That's horrible. Yeah, his his history
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  Speaker 1: isn't great, but now he's an ally so everything's fine.
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  Speaker 1: All's well, that ends Well, we just need a movie
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  Speaker 1: poster of like the same sex couple holding their heads. Yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: we need we need someone grabbing someone else's head. Um,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but it's a queer movie this time. That'll fix everything.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That one everything, You know what would really fix everything?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: If we gave Nicholas Sparked more money. I think that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: would fix everything. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Why don't we
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: take a quick break and then come back and do
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the recap and we're back. Okay, all right, so let's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: shall we shall we get into it. Let's get into it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So we meet Landon Carter. That's Shane West. He's with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: his friends, who are these popular kids who are mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and Landon gets in trouble after a classmate of theirs
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: gets hurt because of a prank all the popular kids
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: pulled on him, brutal. Just quick quick reminder at the top,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Shane West is a stage name. Shane West's actual name
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is Shannon Bruce Snaith. I did not know that. It's
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite celebrity facts is his name is
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Shannon Snaith, And so they were like, that's not gonna work.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: We need I think it would be fun if he
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: was just allowed to be Shannon Snaith. I also think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone else picked up on this, or
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: if I'm just being tall girl syndrome. I also think
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that Shane West is shorter than Mandy Moore. His height
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: fluctuates throughout the movie, and I think that the movie
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: does not like the movie is very rigid and its values.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And I think that they also must have said, we
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: can't have a male lead who is shorter than our
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: female lead due to societal pressures, because anymore is five ten.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Shane West is six ft allegedly, but but that's impossible
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: because he's shorter than her in anything where you can
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: see his feet, he is shorter than her. Any scene
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: where you cannot see his feet, he is taller than her,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: meaning that he's wearing some sort of acting shoes acting
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: shoes or they they stuck him on like an apple box?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Is that what those are called? And yeah, you want
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to go rewatch the dance scene. It's the dancing where
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's most obvious because she's teaching him how to dance,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, he's shorter than her. I never
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: see that in movies. Why didn't I notice that? And
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: then it cuts to the next scene and he's taller
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: than her in the next scene, and I was like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: why can't men just be five seven? Sometimes it's fine, relax,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm sorry I have so many deep dive facts.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But fun fact, along with other parts of this set,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of the sets were from like Dawson's Creek
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and other highly popular areas or a filming zone. But
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so whatever that water basins that they did this first
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: prank at, apparently it was full of like algae and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: eels and they had scula divers clearing the water for
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the stunt. So like, just to put us in Shane
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: West and whoever that guy's names had. They're diving and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: swimming and eels, their belly flopping straight into an eel. Holy,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that is dangerous. Once you I, I did know about
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the Dawson's Creek stuff, and like, once you've I watched
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: two seasons of that when I was sick, like two
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: years ago, And once you know it's the same high school,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you can't unsee it. You're like, oh, I've I've seen
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: drama in these halls before. Okay, So then we meet
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Jamie Sullivan, who is Mandy Moore. She's very religious, her
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: father is a reverend. She sings in the church choir,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. She is also popular, unlike Landon Carter,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and she gets mocked by Landon's friends because she's not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: stylish and she wears the same sweater every day, which
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is also for one of the that was from the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: real person. Okay, so the real person is based off
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of Nicholas Sparks's sister, right, Yes, who in my favorite
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: power move never read his book. It did. Yeah, she
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: said she didn't want to know how it ended, which
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like he took as a sweet sentiment and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I took as a burn she's just like, um, look,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I've only got so much time and I'm not wasting it. Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I thought it was. I didn't realize. This was my
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: first time realizing that it was at least based on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a true story. But there are deviations where I believe
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: his sister was thirty when she passed away, and then
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in the book, I guess that it's not specified that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Jamie eyes that. It's just it says. This is what
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page says. I'm like, I don't really know
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: what this means, but it said that it is ambiguous
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: whether Jamie died or simply disappeared into the shadow world.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know what hang on, wait, wait, hang on, Now,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that is not unlike the ending of Titanic, where Rose
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was it a dream the shadow world. I did, in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: fact make some notes about the similarities between this movie
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and Titanic. Amazing spoiler Switchfoot says the word Titanic. Yes,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they do, amazing. I have some parallels I would like
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to draw between A Walk to Remember and another movie,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: which I will I will reveal. I guess now it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like there's no reason to hold back any longer. Okay,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else noticed this or thought this.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But the way Shane West looks in this movie, to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: me is identical to the way Robert Pattinson looks in Twilight.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: He looks exactly like Edward Cullen to me, I get
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I see it for him to like notice this pale,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: brown haired, bookish girl, be really mean to her at first,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and then be like, hey, maybe we could be friends,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and then they start dating and fall in love. Except
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that's basically Twilight. Jamie Sullivan, I will say, in defense
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of Jamie Sullivan, she at least has some semblance of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a backbone, unlike Bella Swan who just does whatever Edward
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Collin tells her to do. At least Jamie Sullivan is like, no,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you can't be my secret friend, get out of here. True,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that was like good for her. Most movies in two
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thousand two were not doing that. That's true. They're like, okay,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: we can be friends. This is a secret, Like fuck you,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Shane West. But I was the whole Both times I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: rewatched this movie to prep for this episode, I was like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, am I just watching Edward Cullen right now.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: The resemblance is simply uncanny. True, I see it anyway. So,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: because Landon has gotten in trouble for this prank, he
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: has to do a bunch of community service, which includes
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: tutoring underprivileged students at a nearby sychool. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the coding there is yikes. And then also he has
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to participate in the school play, which he gets cast
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: as like the lead of. And I'm just like, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: when you're in trouble with the law and your punishment
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: is to be the lead in a high school theater production,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: which also, like, aside from the fact that that is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: completely absurd and like it just makes no sense. On
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: top of that, that sucks for all the theater kids
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: who told in the first scene it's like, oh, they're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: really into it. Like it's not like they're desperate for
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: people to audition for this part. There's a room full
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of people who want this part, and they're like, no,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Shane West, you have to do a really bad job
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: as punishment, Like why does everyone need to suffer through
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Shannon Snaith's acting, Because like he committed a crime, he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: also committed a crime, didn't you guys? Have that um
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: drama teacher who she cast her children as. All the stars.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's not that uncommon for school the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: high school theater to be corrupted by those in power.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I had we had, like our our high school drama
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: instructor with like cast football players to like try to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: get to like yeah, yeah, I mean like that. That
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: is like definitely, at least in my experience, something that
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: happens Jamie. That is what happened in this movie right
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: right there, just like oh, jocks, you get to cut
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the line in every area of life apparently, and it's well, okay,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I guess the rest of us will just die. I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I like that. In the play, Mandy Moore, Moore is
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: wearing a prom dress underneath a trench coat. What an
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: interesting reveal. That wasn't a trench coat, that was like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a cult coat. That was a cloaked like weird ass
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: CULTI cloak, and underneath it it's like a two thousand
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and two prom dress and you're just like, all right,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: oh gosh. So Jamie is also involved in these activities,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: so she and Landon keep running into each other, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: one day she gives him a ride home after the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: school play rehearsal. She tells him about this to do
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: list that she has, but she won't tell him what
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: number one on the list is. Then he wants her
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to help him run lines for the play and she's like, okay,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I'll help, but you have to promise not to fall
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in love with me. Oh my god. Okay. That that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: really sent me back because I think that that was
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the first time I've ever heard that line in a movie,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: even though it's in so many movies, And it's the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: funniest thing anyone can say to another person because how
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: many if people have said that in real life, how
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: many times has the other person actually been interested in them?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like zero. That's gonna be a really funny
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: bit that I'm going to start doing where a friends
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: just like, Hey, I haven't seen you in a while.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go get coffee? And I'll be like, okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: but you have to promise not to fall in off
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: with him. Oh my god. She said. There are parts
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of JV's character that I don't like, dislike, but they
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: feel a little dissonant where she's like made out to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, she's like a misfit, but she acts
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: with such confidence in moments like that where I'm like
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: this is cool girl ship, Like what's going on where
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: like I feel like the like uncooled girl at school
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't say you have to promise not to fall in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: love with me, but I appreciate that she does. She
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: takes a stand for all uncool girls. And I'm sure
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that at least one person who saw that movie who
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't cool then said that at school and humiliated themselves.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So I know that they made a really big effort
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to avoid like some character tropes, um specifically the glasses.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: They insisted no glasses. Yeah, I just feel like her
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: charisma is like the taking off of the glasses, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: whenever she turned, whenever she's like unusually flirty for this
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like Bible girl, it's like, okay, that's the glasses coming off, right.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't dislike that she is confident in herself.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It just like I guess maybe it was just like, oh,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have expected like the least cool girl at
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: school to be like fuck you and then or like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: or like on the date where she they have that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: like erotic temporary tattoo moment that I totally forgot about,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: like Titanic hot car scene, hot Carr, the Christian version
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of the Titanic scene where they're like, it's temporary. It's temporary.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: He's going to blow on it, but he's not touching her.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: When he blows on it, it's hot. It is hot
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: when he blows on the temporary tattoo. Okay anyway, So
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: she's like, don't fall in love with me, and he's like, yeah, right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that won't be a problem, and then they start running
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: lines together at her house. Her dad, by the way,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: does not like this landing fellow. No um, Also, isn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it it's Peter Coyote too, Yes, who I like sometimes
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: learn who that is and then I promptly forget. He's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: an iconic. I feel like he's he has that experience
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a lot. He's just a famous character actor. He is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: an ET. He's in He's in a lot of ship.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: He's an Aaron Brockovich. He's in all sorts of ship.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And then you see him, you're like, oh, that guy. Anyways. Also,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Landon's mom is played by Daryl Hannah in the worst
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: way I've ever seen in my life. By the way,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you read the Wikipedia, you saw the savage commentary on her. Yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: then wait about her that she got like lip injections
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and that whole thing, and they're really focused on her wig.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They really well because it's I saw like a bunch
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of different explanations for that. I thought, I like what
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: my takeaway was that they the wig was bad, but
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I guess that she was so like famously blonde that
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: they're like, I guess they made a lot of famous
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: blonde women into Brunett's in this movie, because Brunette equals
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: dramatic turn or it did in two thousand and two.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Brunette equals agency, right, Brunette equals a little little more serious. Yeah, Okay.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So Jamie and Landon are hanging out their running lines together.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: It seems like maybe they could be friends. But then
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: he's a jerk to her at school so that he
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: can seem cool in front of his cool friends, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Jamie's like, you're a jerk, and we cannot be friends.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Love that for her, she's really taking a stand for now,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: for now. But then Landon starts to get serious about
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the school play, about his role as a tutor, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: then the school play happens. Jamie a k a. Mandy
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Moore sings that song and she's so breathy. I love her,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I love her, and and she loves switch Foot and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: she loves switch I'm like, that's the those teen girl
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: because she's, like, I think, like a rare example of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a teen girl playing a teenager in a movie, even
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: though no one, I don't think any of the other
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: teenagers are actual teenagers, but Mandy Moore is. No. I mean,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are going to mention
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it later, but you know, Shane West was twenty three
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: at the time of filming and Mandy was seventeen. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: he was like eight full years older than her, which
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: is uh not not great good based on what happens
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: next in the story, which is they're on stage together
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in the play and they kiss, and then they kissed
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other times throughout the movie they sure do,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but this but this first kiss is forced because it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not in the play. It's not in the script. It's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a surprise kiss, yes, which they had to rehearse on
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: their first day. Yeah, I and it's it seems like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore and Mandy Moore has uh I mean, she
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: she came out with a bunch of me too stuff
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that isn't relevant to the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: content of this episode, but she seems to still be
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: friends with Shane West. I feel like that that's more
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of a fault of the production for like putting them
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in this scenario in the first place, Like that's just
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: especially for a teen actor and then an adult, like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: that's that's just irresponsible on the productions. And they knew
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that they had crushes on each other, and the production
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: knew they had crushes on each other, and he I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: don't again, I didn't see anything about anything you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: storied taking place. It's they were had to crush on
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: each other. They never dated um and Shane was, you know,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: teaching her how to act because she didn't know how
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to act. So it's a little there's a little a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: little weird, there's a little I yeah, I read that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: he taught her what a what a mark was and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: how to hit it. He was like, oh, poor Mandy Moore,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: she didn't know. I guess that this movie was shot
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: before The Princess Diaries because that's like her first credit,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: but it was shot after. Yeah, yeah, okay, which is
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I I liked it. In the early two thousand's there
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore was given us more range than a lot
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: of teen actresses because she played sweet Girl and she
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: played bully right, because she's she's mean and Saved and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Princess Diaries, but she's an angel from heaven in this movie, right,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And then in both Saved and A Walk to Remember,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: she plays a very devout Christian character, but on two
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: very different ends of a of that spectrum. And now
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: she's on a TV show that my mom talks about
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: on the phone all the time that I'm never gonna
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: watch this is us, Yeah, exactly. Okay, So they kiss
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: on stage and then Landon's like, wait a minute, do
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I like Jamie? Do I want to be with her?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: He's breaking the one rule. He's falling in love with her,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to a rule breaker. You know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he's a bad boy. He's canonically a bad boy. He
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: almost kills a student in the first scene. Yeah, but
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he does go visit him in the hospital and say sorry,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: so that redeems him question mark um, even though the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: student is like not understandably not very receptive to the apologies, like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. I don't know why
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be your friend. You like push me
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: off of a cliff, or like whatevers a bed of eels.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Jamie is like rejecting him and pushing him away,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and she's like, you don't know how to be a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: good friend. So then he tries harder. He gives her
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a new sweater. He stands up for her when his
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: friends play that photoshop related prank on her at school, which, truly,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen the movie, just like look up
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that scene because it's even like, even though it's like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: from a plot standpoint of like, oh my god, your
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: heart goes out to her and and maybe that would
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: be a horrible thing to happen to you in two
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: thousand too, but if that happened to me now, I'd
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: be like, uh so, what is the joke here? It's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: such a bad photoshop. It's like it's more embarrassing for
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the person who photo shopped it than for her. But
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I do feel like that scene really captures the like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: cruel scene laugh that like still haunts me to this day. Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: you run into that in real life. Oh boy, all
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: logic goes out the window. You're scarred, that's true. Yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So he defends her and stands up for her when
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: this happens, and then he asks her out on a date,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: but her dad doesn't let her date, so then Landon
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: asks her dad permission to take her out, which he
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: relents to. So then they go out to dinner, they dance.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It is revealed that Shane West is shorter than Mandy Moore. No, no, no,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we don't know it in that scene. It's then we don't.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It's after we find out she's sick, and then he says,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you too, to dance, and that montage that's where you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: learn he is. He is a couple inches shorter than her,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: hasn't He asked his mom to teach him how to dance? There, Yeah,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the dances before because the leukemia reveal is like, to me,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: where the movie totally shifted. Well, sure, yea once our
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: protagonist is doomed, yes, but yeah, maybe I'm messing up
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the order. It's whatever. In there's a scene in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: middle of a montage where she teaches him how to
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: dance and you can see both of their full bodies
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, he's shorter than her because you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: can't wear your acting shoes in a full body shot.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, because she teaches his mom. He asked
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: his mom to teach him when they later dance on
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the balcony with no door, right right right right the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: balcony door. Yes, it's that's fascinated me for years. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: didn't pick up on it, just like you're gonna make
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: this sickly girl climb out a window to look at
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: her stars all the balcony with no doors. I wonder
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: if it's like if it's like a an Aladdin kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of deal where it's just a curtain that leads into
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a room. No, it's it's just four windows. They also
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: are looking through a telescope that he builds right in
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: front of her, Like you would think that he would
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: have done that as like a surprise gift, but he
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: just like sets up a workshop outside of her house,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and it's like, don't look, I love it what I'm doing.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: This movie is so goofy and corny in so many
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: ways where you just have to be constantly suspending your logic.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Where there's like one scene where you find out what
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Jamie's ambition in life is, which is to like witness
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a miracle. But you find out because Shane West happens
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to be going through the yearbook at home alone, Like
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: why is he doing that he's just we're to believe
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: he's just sitting at home, like to day night, better
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: look through my yearbook, like I don't want to break
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: your mind, But I feel like that might be one
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of a few instances in this film where traditionally he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: would then in a real world start checking off. And
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that can't be alluded to at all. Know, he's just
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like a plot point. She wants a miracle, does she?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: She wants for it all. Wait, I'm gonna klen as
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you continue to summarse, I'm gonna just just to put
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: my own mind at ease. I'm going to screen cap these. Uh,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: these shame west height toscripancy is to share with the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: class because I swear to God, I swear to God,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it's the thing. Yes please um. So, meanwhile, they go
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: out to dinner, they dance. He helps her knock some
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: stuff off of her to do list, like to be
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: in two places at once and to get a tattoo.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: That scene is really sweet, It is pretty nice. It's
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: so corny, but the I remember the two places at
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: once seemed really vividly because Maddie Moore gets so excited,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, who so cute? And then they kiss and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: he tells her he loves her, and she's like, I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: told you not to fall in love with me. Are
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: we going to know? He had one job? And then
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: her dad is like, Jamie, you have to be fair
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to him before things get worse, and we're like, huh,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: what does that mean, which we find out shortly. But
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: before that, Jamie and Landen Star gaze together and then
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: she tells him the number one thing on her list,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: which is to get married in the church where her
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: parents got married. And then the big reveal, which is
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that she tells him that she is sick with leukemia
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and that she has stopped responding to treatment, the implication
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: being that she does not have long to live. And
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: then he broods for a while. God, but then he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: goes to his Okay, this scene is just story logic wise,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it is so silly. Where he goes to his He has,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of course, because every movie has to be about fathers
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and sons for some reason. Yes, he has a bad
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: relationship with his dad, who's like a doctor, but he
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: left and it's all very like vague divorced parents stuff.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But he goes to his dad's house and it's like,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend is dying of cancer? Can you save her?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And his dad's kind of like, well, no, there's not
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a cure for cancer that's known, and Shane West responds
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: by being like, you were never there for me, Like
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but these two, these two things
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: are sort of unrelated, you know. Also, his dad's like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not an oncologist. I'm a cardiologist. For someone who
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: wants to be a doctor, he really did not understand
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: anything about medicine at this point. True, it's so funny
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that whole scene because then it's like a million years
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: of brooding and Shane West driving around in his cool,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: cool car and it's like, dude, listen, like, your dad
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: is not the right kind of doctor. Like the situation
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is still very sad, but like, of the many things
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that maybe your father's faults, this is not one of them.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Is not one of them. So yeah, he's brooding for
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a while, he's driving around in his Camaro, and then
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: he comes back around and he's like, Jamie, baby, I'm
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere. And then one day she collapses and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: is rushed to the hospital and Landon stays by her
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: side until she's able to go home. Because Landon's dad
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: arranges to pay for her private home care, which is
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: really nice, and I guess a more realistic thing that
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: he can do instead of knowing the care for cancer
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. I forgot about that plot point and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I liked it. I thought that was very nice. But
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I also feel like that whole dad plotline, like I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: don't really care about it at all, except for the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: moment where at the wedding that's about to happen. The
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: way that his dad looks at him at his wedding
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: is so she looks like he's about to burst into tears.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know who this man is.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Like what am I looking at? Anyways? I'm getting handed well,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so then, uh, what's his name? Landon asks Jamie to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: marry him so that she can accomplish the number one
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: thing on her list. So they get married, and then
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Landon's voiceover explains that they have a beautiful summer together
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and that she passes away a few months after their wedding,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and then we get a flash forward to four years
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: later where Landon pays a visit to Jamie's father. He
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: has gotten into medical school. Hopefully, He's like, he's hopefully
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: made amends with his dad to be like, I'm so sorry.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't know how doctors worked when I was seventeen. Whoops,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I overreacted my back. And then Jamie's father is like Landon,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: by the way, Jamie did find her miracle and it
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: was you. And then there's some more voice over about
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: how Landon will always love Jamie and he'll always feel
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: their love. So that's the story. Let's take another break
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and we'll come back to discuss, and we're back. M hmmm,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: We're I feel like we've we've actually covered a fear
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: amount of ground. Actually the recap, yeah, we have. Since
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we were briefly talking about like the fathers and sons thing,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I wanted to just say a little bit about that,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: which is to me, it feels like the big emotional
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: beat of this movie. That's like the big like tear jerker.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Everyone in the audience is crying. Is that moment where
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Landon goes to his dad to say, thank you for
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: paying for my girlfriends like private home care. Because he's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: he's crying. They hug each other. The music swells like
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: lingers on this moment for quite a while, and the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: cinematic language tells you that that's the big crime moment,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: and then a short time later, couldn't care less Jamie
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: dies off screen. We only know about a via voiceover.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: It is not played for like that big tear jerker
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: moment the same way, which I'm kind of surprised I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: watching it back. I guess it would have really emotionally
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: wrecked me at any age to like I didn't want
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: to like see her die, But they do wrap it
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: up so quick. I guess. I don't know the argument
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: there is, like it goes out on a high note,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like you see her like she's accomplished her life's goal
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of getting married, and and then it's like, well, you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that choice. Yeah, I just I found it really kind
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of bizarre that the big tear jerker beat of the
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: movie is the like father son reconciliation rather than the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: death of the woman that the main character loves. I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: feel like the tormal shift I was saying with the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: leukemia was actually like more I feel like when the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: movie kind of became what I understand might be more
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like the book, where you know the book is like
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: clear that it's coming from Landon's perspective, and the book
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: is kind of well Nicholas Barks's Uh. When Nicholas Barks
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: spoke about writing the book, it was like he equally
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: wanted to like it wasn't really about Jamie. Like when
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: he read the book, his thoughts are like her husband
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: was such a miracle, Like who would marry a girl
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they know is going to die? Like this guy needs
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to be celebrated. Like that's kind of where he was
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: coming from. And so I feel like that would make
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: sense then why his big emotional opening is what's important.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Jamie taught him how to feel, and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: now he feels with his dad. I agree, And I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: feel like that is like the big true or or
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest trophy issues with this movie. Right.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: It's like it in I mean, I think even from
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: like a screenwriting sampoint, it's clearly Landon's story, but it
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: but it like uses the trope that that has been
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in a lot of movies and stories over the over
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: time of like a woman dies to like teach a
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: guy how to kind of be a better person. Like
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: that is ultimately the narrative function of like Jamie in
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: this world at these And I don't mean to, like,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you know, because because I know that Nicholas Sparks's sister
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: inspired this, but it's not her life story. She was
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a different person living at a different time, who was
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: in her late twenties, not in high school, you know.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And I like the way this movie was adapted clearly
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: falls into that trope of like Jamie, while I feel
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like Jamie is like a better developed character than most
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: young women who are put in that role, and like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: there are things that I was kind of not like
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: impressed as a little bit strong, but I was surprised
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that there was a lot about Jamie that like she
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: didn't do the the grease thing or the what the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like she's all that thing where she totally changed and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: at the end she's popular, like she does stay. She
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: she changes a little bit, but like for the most part,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: she's pretty consistent and like she's always church girl and
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: she's not gonna like change what her values are. And
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: for the for the most part, like I thought that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's a little bit different, but she
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: still ultimately is like sacrificed and what the takeaway feels
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like And now Shane West knows that he can go
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to med school and he doesn't need to be a
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: high school bully. And it's like, well, was it worth it?
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Was it really worth it? I don't know, right, Yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that is such a trope where the function of a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: lot of female characters, whether or not they die depends
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: on kind of the story, but the function of a
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: lot of the of characters. It's sort of like the
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: burden is on women to teach men how to be
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a good person and like how to feel feelings and stuff.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know too much, Like I I do recognize
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: this trope, I don't know too much about it, like uh, scholarly.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like this kind of has to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: do with the religious overtones too, because I feel like
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the tone it's basically like it feels like this movie
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: is celebrating the mercy that land In bestows upon Jamie,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: and it's really about like his like not only his transformation,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: but like how much he put into this relationship by
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: being with a person with leukemia, which feels very ablest,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: but also like the idea of mercy. Like even in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the Bible, you know, women are often literally just plotlines
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: for male characters in the Bible. Um, so I feel
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: like there's also that aspect of it that, like I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: guess only hearing you talk about the trope really connected
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: the two for me. And when I was googling, like
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I was trying to find out what the genre is
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of like Christian movies, and the only thing I could
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: find that was like scholarly was connecting them to the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: religious melodramas like plays and stuff. Um, So it feels
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: like this, even though I could not find any confirmation
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: why this was so Christian or that this is even
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: seemed to be considered a Christian film, it's not on
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: pure Flix. I just feel like it's definitely that we
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: have to do a pure Flix. I only found that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: from this it's oh yeah, there. I think I'm pretty sure.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Maggie may Fish has covered a couple of movies on
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: her YouTube channel that are I think they were originally
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: on pure Flix. But like Rob Schneider appears in a
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: lot of pure Flix movies, there's like it's it's it's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. It's Christian Netflix, but it
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: just sounds absolutely wild, which I did watch again, I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: went on too deep of the dive. I did watch
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a YouTube clip of the VHS commercials from the VHS
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: release of this film, um, and they did include a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: preview for a movie that is on Pure Flix. So
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: again I'm like, where is this Christian money coming from?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And why is it unngogle able? Like it's very strange.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I it is. I mean, I guess I I didn't
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: go back and do the full like recap. I feel
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like for a very mainstream, successful movie, this movie is
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: unusually Christian, where, if you know, the further you go
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: back in American movies, I like, the more Christian outwardly
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Christian they get, and more you like you see the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: themes of mercy and faith come up more often. But
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: by the early two thousands, I feel like it is
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: kind of a usual. I don't know but that, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but you think like Saved came
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: out after this and that is very critical of Christianity,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like that was more common by that point.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I will say that, and this is
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: coming from someone who was raised as an atheist and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: tends to shy away from Christian media or any like
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: entertainment that has strong Christian under or overtones. I didn't
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: necessarily I didn't mind the Christianity in this or like
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the I didn't mind the religious themes in this because
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: none of the characters who have a strong Christian faith
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: are using their faith to justify toxic attitudes and ideologies
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that some Christians have, such as you know, homophobia, transphobia, racism,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: anti choice, anti bodily autonomy, you know, all that stuff.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And when I'm critical of religion, it's those displays of
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: toxicity and intolerance that I'm critical of. But we don't
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: see any of that in this movie. The characters aren't
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: doing anything like that. They're just you know, living their
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: lives and not hurting anybody or being prejudiced towards anybody.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But there's not really anyone to be prejudice of, you know,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: because everyone is straight at this high school. Well, but
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: there's also there maybe people of color, and that's not
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: counting if they reuse background actors, Like I think, to me,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: it's like I could get into the headspace of this
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: being like, I agree with you, it's not used. When
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you were talking, it made me think of Josie and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the Pussycats, Like I feel like religion in this movie
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: is like product placement in that where it's like almost like, no,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: we get it, like we're putting it in front of there,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: but then because it's religious and like, but wait, maybe
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know, it feels sinister, but that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: might just be because the church is weird. I kind
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of I I agree with with what you're both saying
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: where I felt like the way that Christianity was presented
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: in this movie was pretty inoffensive. But then I was like,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but maybe that's not good, you know, because because this
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: movie I don't I don't know, And ultimately it's it's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I get kind of like lost in the sauce there
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: because it's like either someone is not really thinking about
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: it very hard, or someone's thinking about it really hard.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Has it in the way that like Christian and He's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: presented in this movie, because I feel like it is.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: It's you know, like less harmful tenants that are being
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: used in this movie of like forgiveness and like give
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: people a chance, And I mean the way that that's
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: kind of implemented does lend itself to a lot of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Shane was toxic behavior kind of being forgiven a little
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to christ Like maybe, but but it does I don't know. Yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Like ultimately I'm like I do. I do remember recognizing
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that there were christian elements to this story, but I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: think because someone else pointed it out to me. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: don't think I would have gotten there on my own,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: but there was like a parent or someone who was
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's like churchy ship makes me sick
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: or like whatever, But like, how did we not pick
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it up as a kid? It was just kind of there. Well,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: how how old were the two of you? Because like
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that was the only thing I remembered about this movie.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's the movie about the girl
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: with cancer and she's very devoutly Christian like that. That
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: was like the main thing I remembered about this movie.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I was your age, but I was, you know, not
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: aware of my bisexuality at the time, So I was
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: just horny this whole movie, and that was all I
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: could see. I was nine, so I didn't know shit
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: about shit. I just wanted people kissing and singing. Uh.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: But but I do I mean, it's like, I don't know.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I think that there's definitely arguments for both sides of
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the way that Christianity is presented in this movie, where
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that the negative aspects of Christianity didn't enter
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the plot, but also it feels bizarre to just ignore
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: them as if they don't exist, and it's like it's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: it's completely uncritical presentation of Christianity to the point where
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like they almost like reverse a priest trope
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that you like. When you start watching the movie, you're like, oh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you know her, her dad is by nature of his job,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: very religious, so he's going to be very a Steve
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want her to date. But it turns
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: out the reason that he doesn't want her to date
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: is not just because he's a priest. It's because he
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't like she's also sick and there's like other things
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: going on that we don't know. So I feel like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: that the movie kind of makes the priest look better
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: as the movie goes on, because you're like, oh, he's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: not being mean because of religion. He's being mean because
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: his daughter is really sick and he doesn't know what
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: to do, like which kind of I don't know. For
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: me on this rewatch made me not be like, oh,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: he should be restricting his daughter's behavior, but at least
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: it gave some context and it wasn't just the trope
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: of like religious dad equals controlling and oppressive. The more
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we talk about this, I wonder because the first time
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: we see the father, who is the pastor at the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: only church in town where all the bad kids go, no,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: but when we meet him, it's the mom. The line
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: right before is the mom saying you need a father,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and she's talking about how he doesn't talk to his dad,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and then it us to him. And now I'm just thinking, like,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: because Mandy Moore didn't know how to act. Apparently Shane
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: West taught her the Marker thing, but she was very
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: natural and this was her first film. Like I wonder
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: if the like not intention but like I wonder if
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it hadn't been her, would we be reading more into
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: like how the pastor kind of becomes his father figure,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and like how their relationship is actually more about like
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: both of them men, like learning how to have a son,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: learning how to have a father, learning how to be
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: family with boys. And Mandy Moore was just so good
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: at the role that she was given that that kind
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of got pushed aside for more of like us caring
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: about Jamie. Like I feel like we as the audience
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: care a lot more about Jamie than it feels like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the script in like intended or pushed for. Yeah, I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: mean she really is, Like I think Mandy Moore's performance
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: does hold up in this movie. She's so Mandy Moore,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Like she's just so Flee and you're even when the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: character is like kind of all over the place, You're like,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for I wanted to hit her mark. I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to take off her scary cloak and sing a song.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Um I I agree with you, Sam, I think that, Yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: there are certain I hadn't even it hadn't even occurred
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: to me that the priest kind of ends up taking
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: on this fatherly role. I mean, what is the Bible
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: but yet another story about fathers and sons true, the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: ultimate one maybe the Father's son and the Holy Spirit
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: is Mandy wo wow. I bet that's Cannon. That's gotta
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: be Cane. I mean, that's Catholic. Nicholas Sparks is Catholic.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Print It all makes sense. And I do think that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: there's like it's implied or I feel like the story
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: is suggesting that the reason that Shane West character is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: such a rebel, bad bad kid, you know, like on
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the wrong side of the tracks at the beginning of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the movie is because his parents are divorced. There is
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: a part where Daryl Hannah says to Shane West's character,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, you need a father, because she's trying to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: get him to forgive his dad, who he's estranged with,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and she's like a boy needs us dad kind of thing,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and which I think is like kind of mean to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: her character because she seems to be a really good
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: mom who really cares about her son, and like, we
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: don't really the only thing we know is that something's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: going on over their lips. Her hair is a mess,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: but she loves And the other thing you know is
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: that she loves and is very supportive of Shane West.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Like the way he's acting out would not suggest that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: he like that the parent he lives with is very
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: doting and caring about him. I don't know. I just
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: thought that was like he ends with an evil boy
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: he's friends with, like a truly evil boy. That boy
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: was really evil. Yeah. I don't know that character's name,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: but I don't need it. We're talking about the guy
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: that like later in the cafeteria, he's like, get away
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: from me, man, Like we're through. He's the guy. Yeah,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that broke up with Shane West and You're like, who
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: are you? Yeah, I was like, who the hell is
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: this man? No idea. UM. What I want to make
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: clear here is that and I don't know a whole
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: lot about the teachings of Christianity, not having grown up
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: in the church but sick, but like, I want to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: make it clear that, like, there are many Christians, including
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: many listeners of this podcast, who because I want to
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: avoid making any sweeping generalizations about religious people and Christians specifically,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: because again, there are a lot of Christians who are
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: very tolerant and very progressive and who are the opposite
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: of that kind of stereotypical Bible thumping religious right that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I think some people have come to associate Christianity with.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: And this is this is like kind of one of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: the best depictions of Christianity because it does like you said,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have any opportunities for the bad stuff. It's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: all just about kindness and love and coming together. It
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: is very Christian in the true sense of the word.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I think my my fascination with it just comes from
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: not the religion and not the um, not people who
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: are religious, but from the way that the Church operates
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: specifically the Roman Catholic Church. So that's kind of where
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: my perspective comes in of like, it's not the word,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and it's not the people that are in my opinion,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: that's not really where the problem lies as much as
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the people who are administering things and the specific you know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: we all know about the Roman Catholic Church. There's lots
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to be suspective, right, It's more, Yeah, it's the institution
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of religion that or the people who use Christianity as
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: an excuse to perpetuate their own bigotry. Like that's obviously
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: what there is to be critical about, not the things
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: that Jesus taught and promoted according to the Bible, and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: not the idea of the religion itself kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's more like the indoctrination, which could be said of
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: any organization. To me, that's always what's fascinating and any
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: organized religion too. Yeah, but there's always some sort of
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: indoctrination process for different organizations, and that always fascinates me,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Like how do you take a nonbeliever to a believer? Right?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: And it's I mean, in Jamie's case, it's almost certainly
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: that she's just like indoctrination since birth stuff. Um either
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: that or she is like there is a lot of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: argument for and again it's like, yeah, the the the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: elements of Christianity that are presented in this movie are
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: not bad things necessarily. It's like Jamie is presented as
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: this as this very like almost like a very christlike
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: figure who is extremely forgiving of the people around her,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to the point we're coming from a teenager, You're like, huh, Like, uh,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: you know, is very forgiving, has faith in people's ability
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: to grow and change in a way that most teenagers
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: do not. Uh, and on and on and then and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: then she's sacrifice at the end of the movie, and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: then her love exists in the wind, and I'm like,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: she's basically the Jesus of the movie. And I don't
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: hate It's like I do like Jav's character. I like her.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for her. I like when I don't know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: even just like remembering seeing the movie as a kid
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: and like watching for all of its flaws, Like as
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: a kid seeing the like girl who's like a little
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: different be asked like you don't care what people think
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of you? And she just says no. I was like
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, Like, even though it's maybe not
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: the most realistic reaction, that's a cool thing to see
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: in a movie if you're like a kind of weird
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: kid where you're like, wow, this girl doesn't give a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: ship and like, I don't know, there are things to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: be said for for the way her characters presented. It's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: not hyper realistic teen chit, but like, nothing in this
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: movie is she's a superhuman Christian angel sent from God
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: to sing choir songs in the play. Yeah, she's not
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a real person. I guess what I'll say is like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: that is how I viewed the movie too, and I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: feel like it would still be that movie without the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: religious element. So that's my only question is like it
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: feels layered on in a way that I wonder why.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder how religious his sister was, like, or how
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: big of a part of her story that was. Yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: all I could find was that she did carry a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Bible around. But like they even took the Bible out
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: of this film. They made it a book full of
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: quotes like Dolly Parton. I like Dolly Parton. I was like, wow,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Jesus thought Dolly Parton was really smart, because that's what
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Jamie said, did Dolly Parton fund this movie? Oh my god?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: What if Dolly Parton Christian? Yeah? Okay, I did not.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I guess I don't know anything about
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: her relige. I don't know. I just other than the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: fact that she's Miley Cyrus's godmother. Miley Cyrus another Nicholas
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Sparks star. Oh that's true. Which one is that? That's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the last song? Question mark? I'm pretty sure I saw
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: that in theaters. Is that the one Channing Tatum isn't
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: or is that a different movie? I think so? Oh no, wait,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: he's I hope not. Wait he's like kind of old
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: for her, isn't he? No? I think that it's Isn't
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that how she met her? The guy that she married
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: was through that Nicholas Sparks movie. And it's Chris Hemsworth's brother.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it's Liam Hemsworth. Okay, so the okay,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: what's the Channing Oh the Channing Tatum one is Dear John?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Which is him? Cyphrid God? So many white actors? Uh? Wild?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to talk really quick about
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: another character slash storyline that I found baffling and maybe
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I'll say it not necessary to the movie, which is
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Langdon's ex girlfriend or Landon. I keep wanting to say
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Langdon as in Robert Langdon from another Christian text, the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code. Oh my gosh, we did bring up
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Mona Lisa earlier, so I always have Da Vinci Code
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: on the brain Baby, I'll never stop. But the whole
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: thing was so so the deal with I don't think
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: she even came up really in the summary because she
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't need to be in the movie. I left her
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: out of the of the summary. So her deal is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: what's her name? Her name is like Barbara, have no idea, Josephine, Belinda, Belinda, Belinda,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: so Belinda, which again I'm like, what year is this
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: movie taking place in. Belinda is Shane West's ex girl
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: friend who wants to get back together with him, but
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: he's not interested. She is really forcing the issue. She
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: gets very jealous of Jamie when it becomes clear that
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Shane West is interested in Jamie. She does the photoshop
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: praying Jamie's hurt, and then Belinda later apologizes to Shane
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: West about that, but not to Jamie, who is in
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: the adjacent I think she's like, right, there isn't she like,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't she apologize to Shane West for what she did
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: to Jamie in front of Jamie's house, And it's like,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: you need to apologize to her? Oh okay, I was like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: she needs apologize to Jamie. All of those guys none
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: of them apologized to Jamie. They all apologize to him, right,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: No one apologizes to the right people in this movie,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: because we'll get to this later. But when we talk
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: about like the relationship between Landon and Jamie, but she
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: apolo gize is to him after he gets mad that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: she has cancer and she's like, I'm so sorry that
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I have cancer. I should have told you sooner. And
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: he's like it's okay, Well that's like he's not. He's like, no,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you doubt you're perfect, You're eighteen, and then she runs away.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: He doesn't chase her. Instead, he drives to a mysterious
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: city where his dad is and then he drives into
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: the night, and then the one person of color main
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: character in the film, Eric comes to check and Rand
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: the most like the most hyper sexual racist depiction and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: also the best, the most complex of the group, and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: the best friend of them all. It seems yes, so
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: quick sidebar about that character. So that's Eric. He easily
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: he falls into the black best friend trope because he's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Landon's best friend. He has characterized in a very harmful
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: trophy way in which he in basically every scene he's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: in is making comments that are extremely like sexually aggressive,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and that's really all we know about that character. So
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: that's bad. It's really frustrating. Yeah, it's like falling into
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: all of the tropes of the black best friend is
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: like we know nothing about him other than he is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: there to deliver, you know, Devil's advocate views on what's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: going on to Shane West. Like he'll come in and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: be like, well, well, what if Jamie isn't the love
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: of your life? And Shane West is like, never she is,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: and he's like all right, like there, he's just like
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: there to like he's only there to demonstrate at various
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: scenes in the movie that Shane West is changing as
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: a character, like that's the only and Eric, I guess
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you could argue changes a little bit where he becomes
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: less of an asshole unless of a bully about the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: fact that Shane West is dating Jamie, But that's such
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: a small change. That's only in relation to his friend,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Like you know nothing about him outside of that it. Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: it's it sucks because I don't I don't think I've
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: seen that actor in anything else. But I enjoyed his performance.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I thought it was fun. I read that he and
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Shane West made up that really long handshake that they do,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: which I was like, well, that's fun. I guess that's
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the only time in the film that smoking is alluded to,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: which I thought was an interesting bad boy trope. Yeah,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: they do a little like smoking weed thing. That actor's
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: name is al Thompson. He's been working pretty steadily, it seems,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: over the years, So good for him. Okay, I just
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I just saw his Wikipedia page was a stub so
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: and that was where my research ended. I think he
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: does a lot of TV in mostly kind of like
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: small bit roles kind of thing, got it. But yeah,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: so I thought like his performance was really fun and
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: there was room to include him more meaningfully where he like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like why not get rid of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the like girlfriend ex girlfriend, like evil girl side plot,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and like make room for the best friend. I like,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: all of his scenes are enjoyable, but he only exists
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: in relation to Land in right, Like, I agree that girl.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was an ex girlfriend until
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I looked on Wikipedia. Um, I just knew that she
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: was some girl who wanted to be with him somehow.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: One thing I noticed that I don't. I might just
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: be drawing a string to nowhere. But did you notice
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: how when she does apologize, she's wearing a pink sweater,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: just like the one that he gave Jamie. WHOA, I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: didn't not notice that. I don't know if that's like
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: her signal like now she's a good person too or whatever.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Everyone who wears a pink sweater is a good person.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Amazing God. So back to the Jamie does apologize to Shane.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: That so after that scene where he's talking to Eric
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: and they like have a little bit of a reckon
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: silly and I think that's the that part of the movie.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: But then Jamie comes up to Landed as he's like
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: fixing his Camaro and she's like, I'm sorry, I should
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: have told you sooner, and he's like shrug, let's kiss,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: and it's like, why are you apologizing Jamie? Yeah, anyway,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: it was That's like another one of the more obvious,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: like ablest scenes where it's like you ditched her, you
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: didn't support her when she was like coming out with
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: this big news, and now you're like, she makes a
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: joke like something about dying. Does anybody remember? Yeah, she says.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: He's like, are you scared? And she says to death
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: and then he's like geez, and she's like, lighten up.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I'm the one who's dying. I can joke about this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: if I want. She's like, can you can chill for
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a second. So and so that was on a tangent
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: of no one apologizing to Jamie right when it's she's
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: owed several apologies, but everyone's like, oh, she's she's so
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: christ Like, she'll forgive. I guess I'll just apologize to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: a random person who has nothing to do with the situation,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: or I'll make her apologize to me for some reason,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Like it is. It is frustrating, and I feel like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that is like one of the something we haven't really
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: gotten to yet is just like, especially in the early
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: days of this relationship, just like how toxic and fraud
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: this relationship is from the jump, and how Jamie's extreme
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: willingness to forgive and believe that people can change absolves
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: him of this behavior in a way that he never
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: really meaningfully apologizes for. Where at the beginning of the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: like for the whole first half hour of the movie
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: before he's like, Okay, I want to be in this
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: play and I want to work with you. Up unto
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that point, he is like mean to her. He's like,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I know I've known you my whole life, but I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: don't I don't give a shit about you, essentially, and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: then once he realizes, oh, I do like her, he
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: comes the most Like the moment that I didn't remember
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: in the movie that I was like, how dare you
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: was when he goes to her house and asks her
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: to be his friend but in secret so you can
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: still be popular. And I was like, the fucking nerve
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: like that for me is where I'm like, no matter
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: how forgiving a person I am, I'm tapping out right there.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: That is that is a horrible thing to do, to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: even attempt to do. It's also like you said, like
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: what time period are you in? Like I could see
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: in the fifties a guy asking that, like, you know,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: how it is I'm the popular guy. I don't know,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what voice that was, but you know,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I'm the popular kid. We all know the rules of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the high school. Like, I feel like that would have
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: been much more nineteen fifties, where it's like, you know,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: this relationship, it's so common to us, but not in
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, and it's like, I'm glad that Jamie
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: tells him to funk off in that moment and she's like,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, but but the fact that he still gets
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: a second chance without really apologizing and just by being like, hey,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I've decided to be your friend publicly, like that is
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: very warranting of a second fuck you. But she's like, Okay,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: let's try it, you know. But she's Jesus, so it's hard, right,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And he's like, but I got you this sweater. Everything's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: fine now, right. Um. We talked about this on the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast episode and other episodes. But like
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: the the idea of like the burden of forgiveness, often
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: in a like hetero romantic context, is often placed on
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: the woman to forgive the man for his often toxic
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: bad behavior, which again we see a lot of in
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: this movie, where for the first several of their interactions
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: he's really mean to her, he makes fun of her,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you're carrying around this bible, you loser
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: with your one sweater, you like stars and planets. Gross,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Like he's like bullying her for the random ist ship.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, how dare you have an interest in astronomy.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never seen someone bullied for this before.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: This is interesting and I like that. She's like, yeah, sure,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: I'm the pastor's daughter, but but science does exist as
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: like okay, movie not not not too bad. And then
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: there's that scene where he, even after he starts to
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: fall for her, he comes at her after school and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: like tells her how she feels. And then plot wise,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: that ends up being that he's right where he's like,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: you're hiding behind religion and astronomy and all this stuff.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Like he just names all of her interests and it's like,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: and that's what you're doing instead of admitting that you're
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: in love with me? And then and then she's like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, maybe he's onto something. And we're like
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: what you just like you can like things and have
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: a crush on an asshole. I was gonna say again,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: coming from the horny lens that I first viewed this in,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: it was like I don't care he's hot and now
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: he's into me, Like I feel like my my horny
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: brain doesn't doesn't register. And I do feel like this movie.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons I want to talk about it
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: was just because, like the thing you're saying about forgiveness
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: coming from the woman, I feel like a lot of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: tropes that are in this movie can contribute to like
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity in the way that a boy would interpret it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: And I know with the guy who my that first
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: boyfriend that was obsessed with this movie, you know, had
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of a lot of the toxic romantic kind of ideas
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: of like, no, I'm making the romance for you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I broke up with him and he did not take
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: it well like I guess trigger warning. But nothing happened.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, just like how this is the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: perfect this the way the tropes are in this movie
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: are like the perfect timeline and the perfect way it
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: could go. But a lot of the habits that are
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: being reinforced, you know, can be used in a toxic
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: way in other situations. Yeah, and then another one that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I mean we haven't specifically defined, but something that happens
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: is that he basically he just wears her down the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: way that we've seen in tons and tons of movies,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: and this seems to be a Nicholas Sparks thing that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: he recycles over and over again. Because he's writing very
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: popular heterosexual love stories, there's probably a lot of that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: going on. But that's like the Notebook, Oh gosh, one
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: oh one. So we see that with the Landing character.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: She keeps saying, no, we can't be friends. You've treated
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: me badly, leave me alone, and then he keeps coming
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: back around and basically trying to sweeten her up with
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: gifts and friendship. And it's like what get away quick
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: comment was when he was first trying to get back
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: in her good graces after I forget what thing he did,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: but where he was like bringing her flowers obviously every day.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, you know this girl is
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: dying and now you've made her house to look like
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: a memorial. Like take a step back, maybe, thinking through Landing,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: like she's not dead yet, She's not right because they're okay.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: So there are kind of two separate times where he
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: needs to or he's trying to redeem himself. The first
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: time when he realizes he likes her and he's actually
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: trying to get with her. Then they get together and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: they profess their love for each other, and then when
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: she tells him I have leukemia, I'm dying, and he
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: flips his ship about it and is like, why didn't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: you tell me this sooner? You owed telling me this?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: And then he like storms off, and then we don't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: even know how she reacts to that, because the movie
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: does not check in with her at all during this period.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: We just watch him brooding for like and minutes of
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: screen time that it is dead for not knowing the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: cure to cancer right. And then when he finally does
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: come back around, he talks to her dad. He doesn't
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: even talk to her at first. He's just like, don't worry,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. Tell Jamie, can you pass along
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the message? It's like, well, can you talk to her
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: face to face and apologize to her? But instead of
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: that happening, when they do finally come face to face,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: she's the one to apologize to him, and it's just like,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: are you joking me right now? So bless Her dad
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: was also in that, like telling her like, you gotta
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: tell him before it's too late. Like obviously that messaging
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: was not just coming from Landed, it was coming from
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the people around her, right. Well, That's like part of
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: what I find frustrating about the love story in this movie,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: because it's not like I don't know I it's not
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: like you can't in life start with like, you know,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: how do I want to phrase this? I feel like
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: this this movie could have been an interesting opportunity to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: write someone someone's behavior meaningfully changing and a way that
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: could have felt authentic, and also could have like been
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: sort of a character map for young for young people
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: who especially young men watching this movie, because it's not
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: like even in the context of the movie, I don't
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: doubt at any point that Landon cares about Jamie, and
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I don't doubt that you know that teenage boys very
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: often are deflective towards people that they're attracted to, especially
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: in a hetero context, and like whatever. It's like that's
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: something that I experienced in high schools, Like so when
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I had a crush on not being nice to me
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: and then like having to apologize and over time like
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: maybe of a friendship build, but it's like you have
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: to especially with like movies for young people, I feel
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: like there is some responsibility to like really track that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: journey in a way that is responsible and not just
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: like randomly putting the onus on Jamie to be the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: world's most forgiving person. And I don't think that it's
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: like impossible if this story were written differently or a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: little more deliberately, I don't think it would be impossible
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: to get Landing from the beginning of the story to
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: a place where maybe he has meaningfully earned Jamie's trust.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: But that's just like not how we see the story
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: play how or is or is very choppy, uh in
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: the way it plays out. I do wonder how much
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: how much that has to do with her maybe not
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: being available, Like I know that she's a teen so
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: she can only work ten hours a day, and they
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: shot this in thirty nine days, So I wonder, Like
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: at first, I was like, I think this has to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: go back to the you know, kind of Christian ethics
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: that they're displaying in this where it doesn't make it
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for that storyline to really get into Jamie.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: But also maybe Mandy Moore decided to mount one day
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: because it does seem like after her leukemia diagnosis, like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: she has that scene in the bed, but really she's
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: kind of gone from the movie at that point. She's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: like not an active heart, Like she only says like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: thank you for thank your dad, and like a look
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: at this comment. And then does she She doesn't mean
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: to say I do. She just like hugs him and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: then they're married, right, yeah they don't did they even
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: get married? Uh we don't know? Yeah, why aren't we
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: checking in to see like how she feels about like
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: she knows that she's dying, Like, and there's a part
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: where she says something like I don't need a reason
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: to be angry with God, Like can we explore that's
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: a cool Like that's an interesting thing to bring up
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: of like a crisis of faith for a priest daughter,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: like and it's all set up, but instead, Yeah, I
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: fel like the movie diverts and ends up focusing on
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: boring land and side plots and and gives a shit
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: about because it should be a movie that's about her,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: not about him. I hate to keep bringing up religion,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: but again, like that is very Jesus, Like like Jesus
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: had crisis of faith, but he never lost a faith.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: He would just be like, Dad, what's this God? Damn it? Yeah?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know. It's it's like Jamie is
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: perfect to a fault. But the moments that you see
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: her human side and the movie doesn't seem interested in
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: exploring when it's like watching it back this time, those
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: are the most interesting moments where she is affected by
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: how people treat her and she is angry that she
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: is dying, and like there there are like she does
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: have these really human emotions. But then she Yeah, I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: guess like in the christ like way you're describing Sam,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: she just kind of like transcends them off screen. Then
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: it's like and it's all and it's all good, and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Shane West went to medical school the end, right, I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's but I still like it. I
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: don't know. And there's um I wanted to go through
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: the product ship the people behind this production. So there
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: is people we've discussed on the show before. There is
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: a female screenwriter here. Her name is Karen Jansen. Uh.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: This is another Denise dn Novi movie who I know
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: has come up on the show a lot. She seems interesting. Yeah,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: she was like a millennial childhood shape er big time.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: She I think we talked about her kind of extensively
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: because she got both Little Women's the Winona one and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: the Greta Girlwig one made but a quick rundown In
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: case you forgot who, Denise says, uh some of some
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: of the hits Edward says, her Hands Nightmare before Christmas,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: both of the Little Women's, Practical Magic, Walk to Remember
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: What a Girl Wants, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, New
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: York Minutes, Failed, Mary Kay Nashley movie Uh, and Crazy
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Stupid Love, which we just discussed on the show. So
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: she's behind a lot, a lot, a lot of big movies,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: and even I mean in a lot a lot of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: them are movies that are specifically marketed at teen girls.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: But I feel like a Watch to Remember even stands
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: out in her catalog because it seems like the only
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: kind of aggressively Christian movie in this in this catalog.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: And then I just try to shout out that the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: director of this movie, uh and openly gay director who's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: who was openly gay at the time of this movie. Uh.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Started as a choreographer, then switched into directing. Also directed
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: The Wedding Planner, which we've covered on Marion. Yeah. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: the Hairspray, the two thousand seven one. Uh, he just
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: directed What Men Want, which everyone didn't like. And uh,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: he's also directing something that I wasn't aware existed, which
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: is a sequel to Enchanted starring Ammy Adams. The final
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: fun fact about the director, whose name is Adam Shankman,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: which I don't think I've said um, is that he
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: officiated Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. His wedding.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I know they're also still married. They've been married for
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: twenty years. Dishwasher commercial what there's a dishwasher commercial where
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: they're like making a bunch of innuendoes about doing it
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: every night and then it's like, yeah, we run our
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: dishwasher every night. It saves water, and like that, I
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: and this. I don't hopefully this is but like I
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: think I can. I confuse their marriage with Carson Daly
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: and Tera read a lot, because it's like brunette guy,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: blonde lady and Carson whatever. That other relationship definitely didn't last,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: but it was a big deal. Freddie Prince Jr. And
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller three names, you know, six names between
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: the two of them. It's destined to last. Yeah, of course,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I hope they're washing dishes right now. Also, that's really
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they have how many years has it been
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: since they've done a dish. Let's be real, seriously, use
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: a dishwasher. That's true, that's because they use the dishwasher.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Another quick behind the scenes thing. This movie was edited
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: by a woman, Emma E. Hiccox's shout out to Emma. Yeah, oh,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to say. We called attention
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: to this, I think in the recap. But there is
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: a surprise kiss in this movie. That's a really really
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: sneaky surprise kiss because I didn't even realize it was
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: a surprise kiss until my second rewatch. But it's when
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: in the play Landing kisses Jamie after she sings her song.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: And I originally just thought that that was like a
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: scripted part of the play that the high school student
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: playwright wrote into the thing. But then I picked up
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: on a line that the playwright says on my second
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: rewatch where he's like, oh, interesting, rewrite you did their landing,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, he's referring to the kiss. Yeah,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: he's surprise kissed her on stage in front of everybody.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Feel like Mandy acted out the way you would a
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: actual surprise kiss, Like she didn't seem psyched. There is
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: a look of shock and surprise on her face, which
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I I guess just chalked that up to like, oh,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: this is probably her first kiss ever and that's why
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: she's reacting that way. But then I was like, oh, wait, no,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that was a surprise kiss and she wasn't expecting it
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: and he just used the school play as an excuse
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: to kiss her. Also, I feel like the cringe eest
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: part of this movie for me is when he's like, uh,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: when she takes off her cloak. To me, that was
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable moment. He forgot all of his lines,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: so ridiculous this whole I mean the fact, and that
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: was like, I think one of the closer moments to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: like a true trophy, Like wow, I didn't realize that
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore is very like Western beauty standards beautiful before
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: she removed this colloak like what are you doing? Um? Anyways? Yeah, um,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: does anyone have anything else they would like to talk about?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I have to click things. I just I appreciated that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: the music. They used the music to indicate bad kids,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, in a very old man kind of way.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: The first the first the whole first scene up until
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: when the bullied kid gets there, I could barely hear
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: because the music was blaring so loud. And then that's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: a recurring theme with Landon wearing blasting headphones, and it
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: just seemed like a get off my lawn kind of person.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: That indicated that part of the script that made me
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: and you laugh, right because the bad boy kids, like
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: they're heavy metal rock and roll music. Yeah, and a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, a lot of the with that
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: scene where they're flipping the radio thing, it's like no mercy,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: like just like still biblical, but like the best side
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: of it, right, he's yeah, he's listening to his devil
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: music and she's listening to her god music. Yeah. And
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: then the only other thing was that, oh two things.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: One also in the VHS commercials, there was a commercial
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: for a O L online and in the trailer for
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: this film it does have like below the rating like
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: a O L keyword a walk to remember for when
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: we still didn't know how to search things. I just
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: thought that was a nice time capsule. It was a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: simple time. My last thing was that I kept reading
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: about how this film was released in theaters, but then
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: also released in a family edited version, and I could
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: not find what that means, Like what was edited out
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: of this version for the family edited version. Maybe the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: handshake between Landon and Eric where they reference smoking weed.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if they just edited out that guy
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: and made it a fully cast right, because he's always
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: making again, very sexually aggressive comments and jokes. So yeah,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: maybe they just eliminated that character altogether. I guess just
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: if your fans can sound off that was it still
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: bugs me. I just want to know what is what
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: was edited out? Yeah, it's true. I'm curious. Yeah, this
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: has to be the kind of movie this this movie,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I can't I wonder, it's hard. It's hard to describe
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: how it's like that, like I know it when I
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: see it kind of thing. But you can tell when
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: a movie when a lot hit the cutting room floor,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: and this movie seems like the kind of movie where
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: a lot hit the cutting room floor. They did say
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: that they did a lot of cuts to make sure
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: it was PG not PG thirteen, one of which was
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: cutting Shane singing to Mandy in the hospital only Hope,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: which I would like to hear. How did that make
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: a PG thirteen. Is that too sexy? Made it too depressing? Oh?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: It was too sad? Okay. I thought it was like
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: in a PG the movie you can only say shit
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: or fuck once, and you can also only sing only
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: hope one, oh my god, or it's adult. Yeah that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: was all I had. All right, Well, I believe the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: movie on some technicalities, passes the Bechtel test, but I
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: think that the bullying, it's only it only passes in
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: scenes where Jamie is being actively bullied, which, now that
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: we've talked it through, is a like narratively significant thing
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: that happens. It's just sad, Yeah, I think it is.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: I think the passing is literally just a photoshop scene
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: when Belinda has to like get her to follow her
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: to the cafeteria, right, and then like we see Jamie
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: almost make a female friend and then actually, no, she's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: not allowed to have any female friends. Sorry, James. I
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: remember the lines now. It was like, Jamie, you would
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: look really pretty with makeup here, come with me? Do
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: you want to? Oh my god? It really is like
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: the one of the worst passes we've ever had is
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: even an egg. Right. She's basically like, your face is bad.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Your breath is bad. Come with me so that I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: can keep bullying you. Yeah, come to the table so
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: I can keep bullying you with all my cool friends.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Also like to like fourteen people go to that school
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: that just all of it's so bizarre. I feel like
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: I saw fourteen kids that went to the entire school
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and all of them hate Jamie. You know, Jamie does
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: seem to have a friend who is the other co
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: star of the school play. Oh yeah, but we don't
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: know that character's name. I don't even think we don't
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: know anything about her. She barely says anything. Let Jamie
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: have a friend. Seriously, I did love how her friend
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: was like the perfect drama nerd. Yeah, you know, highly identifiable.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: And it's like that seems like and you would think that,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: like it seems like Jamie is kind of like well
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: liked by the drama club. We have no reasoning that
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: she isn't. So it's like, why can't we see her
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: thriving outside of this relationship with Shane West a little bit?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: And also you would now that I'm like, wouldn't they
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: have visited her as she was dying? They appeared to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: be her friends, right, I will say it sounded like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: she had kept her diagnosis secret from everyone from outside
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: of her father. That's true. So by the wedding, did
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: they know she's sick? I don't know. I mean they
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: know because of the gossip, Like Shane West kind of
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: blew up her prophecy, right because all all his friends
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: find out about it. Damn they all come around and
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I was such a jerk before.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I know that. My personal experience, not with cancer, but
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: with like major injuries and stuff is like I did
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: have a tendency to isolate. I still do. Also could
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: be depression and stuff, but like that's like me inferring
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: that is her reasoning, It isn't the Only thing we
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: know for the movie is that she was like I
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: found out two years ago. I didn't want people to
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: treat me weird and I was cool until I met you. Right. Ah,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: so much unexplained, right, But if yeah, but if we
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: knew more about her character or saw things more from
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: her point of view, we would have a better sense
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: of what the circumstances were there. So we just don't know,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: because we don't even know. She was really unpopular. The
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: popular kids just didn't like her right, but it's like, yeah,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's you can be disliked by popular kids and
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: still be the coolest kid in the drama club, like
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: or that star club that she ran that we saw
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: that one. See. Well, that kind of like brings us
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: to the nipple scale because I feel like, ultimately, for me, uh,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: this movie would have worked a lot better for me
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: if it had been centered around her and not Landing.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: You don't even need to get rid of Landing for
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: my I'm like, okay, it's a heteroteene romance whatever, like,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: but but there's no reason other than the movie the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: story is being told by Nicholas Sparks's authorial voice, that
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: the story is being told by Landon at all, Like
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I don't it shouldn't be told by him. He can
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: be there, but it can't be his story. I don't
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: know which. Again, it makes her her burn his sister's
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: burned so much like I don't want you telling the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: world about my life. I'm not going to read this
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: interpretation you had of me. So shall we shall we?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Shall we bust out that nipple scale. Let's do it.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Zero to five nipples based on examining the movie through
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens. I'm going to give this movie,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a one and a half, maybe
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: a two, maybe somewhere split in the middle of that.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's not high. It really adheres
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: to a lot of the tropes of like the teen
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: romance genre of like a boy nigging and being cruel
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: to a girl and wearing her down when he does
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: decide that she's worthy of him, and then falling in
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: love and still being shitty to her a lot of
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: the time. And yeah, the fact that, like you said, Jimmie,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: it's that it's told from his point of view, even
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: though he doesn't have an interesting perspective on this narrative
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: at all. And I would much rather learn, like know
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: about what a like very devoutly Christian girl how she
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: feels about having a terminal illness. That's a way more
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: interesting story. I don't give a shit about landing like anyway.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a lot of missteps, at least,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: though it doesn't fall into the territory of like a
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: million racist and homophobic jokes that get made in a
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: lot of comparable movies of this era. But like, obviously
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: that bars so low that like, the movie doesn't deserve
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: to be congratulated for not doing that, but that but
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: that's why I was like, Oh, it's not as problematic
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: as I thought it was going to be. They compressed
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: it all into that one person, into Eric. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: um for justice for Eric. So yeah, that it's it's
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: not the worst example we've seen, but it's certainly not great.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: So I'll give it. I'll give it one and a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: half nipples. I'll give one nipple to Jamie Loftist. I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: was gonna say this episode has been very stressful for
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: me overall. You guys, I keep being like, um, and
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I'll get I'll give one nipple to you Jamie, and
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: my half nipple too. And wait, how does the song go?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of listening to this and we're all
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: singing it in wildly different keys, and they're like, I'm
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: gonna have to like edit it so it like actually
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: sinks up because I think, could you please pitch correct
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: all three of us that were singing. Of course, I'll
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: put some auto tune onto at least my voice, because
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: I have the worst singing voice. Um. Yeah, so that
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: amazing song gets my half Nickel and uh yeah one
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, I'll do one and a half
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: as well. I feel like, and I agree with We're
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: coming from Caitlin. I feel like this movie like shouldn't
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: be congratulated for what it dodges. I think the truly
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: the one thing that I felt like, oh, this movie
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: seems to be intentionally dodging this trope is the fact
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: that Jamie doesn't get this big makeover at any point
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: for core. You know, she doesn't do ah like Sandy
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: from Grease thing. She just like her personality changes, and
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: I think all of the asshole popular kids think she's
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: cool and you're like, why are we here? Um? But
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like Jamie retains her core values and qualities
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: and is loved for them, which I feel like is
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: a generally more positive message than most teen movies we're
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: giving us at that time. That is, I think like
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: the main strength of the movie, which I think I read,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: was the director's hard choice, Like he made that a
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: strong rule, like I don't want to do a reveal.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do shank Man, all right, Yeah
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: that makes me really happen, Like yeah, I I totally.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've I think I criticized this movie
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: pretty from a lot of ankles, um Ultimately, I it
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: holds up way better than I thought it would. This
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: will not be the last time I watched this movie.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: It feels it's just like a very comfort movie to watch.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, her dream is to get married
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: will Gross whatever her right. I wish that we had
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: seen a more a better characterization of Landon's character and
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't so centered around him, because outside of
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's not really fair to Jamie's character,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: it also like everything else going on in Landon's life
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: is really boring to me, and I don't care about
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: him and his father, except I love the scene where
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: he's mad at his father for not knowing the cure
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: to cancer. That's hilarious, but I don't care. It's also
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: another example of like a male redemption story, and not
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: that those can't be done well and aren't valuable, but
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think this was done well, nor was this
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: redemption earned to me, so I think it could have
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: been earned, which is kind of frustrating. It could have
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: been earned, but it wasn't. The way that the story
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: plays out, but iconic Mandy Moore performance. Love her, love
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: her high school soprano voice. That is literally a voice
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: you would hear on stage in a high school as
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore style, like she is not singing from the
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: diaphragm at all, like it is it is. I love it.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Those were some of the things my voice teacher was
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: trying to correct right there, like trying not to sound
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: like Mandy Moore. But it's so easy to sound if
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: you just I don't know. I highly recommend Mandy Moore
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite karaoke go toos because it's
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: so easy and it's so effective. I'm sure something to
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: give it one and a half and I'll give one
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: to Jamie Sullivan and then I'll give the other half
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: to Darryl Hannah's wig. Oh yes, good Sam, what about you? Yeah?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I still on this viewing where I also
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: did you know an obsessive deep dive? Um. I'm really
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: just taking away and wanting to rewatch the film again
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: from the lens of you know, the brother of a
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: dying woman who's obsessed with her husband who's going out
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: of his way to marry a dead person. I feel
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: like that are dying person. Um, I feel like that
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: really makes everything make a little more sense. Um. And
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: I you know, I am gonna go high. I'm gonna
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: give it to nipples, and I'm going to give those
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: nipples to every person who got horny during this movie
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: as a kid or as an adult or whatever. Um,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: because I do feel like, you know, I I don't
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: know how I feel as an adult in the entertainment
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: industry about they're being real chemistry between a sixteen seventeen
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: year old and a twenty three year old, but it is,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: it is palpable, and for me it was a big
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: bisexual awakening. And I can't imagine I'm the only one
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: sure you're not. Yeah, It's like, it's just that the
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: industry should not present opportunities for that to be the
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: case for a under a age actor and a of
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: age actor. That should never be a thing where they're
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: on screen together in a romantic context and where the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: crew is you know, aware there, everyone's aware of a
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: romance forming I r L and not inhibiting that because
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: it helps the performance, right, So if you had an awakening,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: it's not your fault, it's but it is the fault
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: of the production for making those casting choices you're so anyway,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: maybe it will make you feel better to know that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: this movie made Mandy Moore get back into her religion.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: So if you're feeling guilty about her horny nous, it
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: seems like she might have. She got she got to horny,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: and then she's like, I need to go, I need
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: to find God again. She wasn't. The horny nous didn't
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: take her down a wicked path. I love great Andy Moore.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I hope she's not shitty is because I just I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: love her. Although she was famously for a while watching
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Me Asleep, which I didn't care for. That's kind of
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of mean, and she's never apologized for that,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: which I do think is very telling of her character.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I did very briefly meet her one time. She did
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: a show at Nerd Melt and I saw her and
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: showed her where the green room was. So she was
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: very nice, she seems to me in that moment, So
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: that means she's nice to everyone all the time forever.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: That is how that works. Thank you so much for
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: being here, Sam, This was such a blast. I'm so
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: glad we did this movie. Thank you for having me.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: I'm so honored. To be here. This is one of
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts and I love having these discussions. I
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: r l or on pod and I appreciate you guys
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity to kind of process this home
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: now as an adult. Oh anytime, any time, come on back.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, I had one more connection to Titanic. Yes,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: so we have the hot car, we have somebody dying
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: slowly and yeah switch Foot mentions Titanic that those are
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: my three got it? Yeah it's Cannon. Well there's I
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: would say there aren't enough Titanic connections in this movie,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: but that's just me. Yeah, I could have I could
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: have staid to have a couple more and there was
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: room for it. And yeah they were they were like
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: weren't they seaside or somehow? There were boats there were
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: there were both. There's water, they go into the water.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: They belly Some characters belly flop into the water in
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: both movies. There is there are there are near near
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: fatal belly flops, and there's a and there's a wearing
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: down relationship that we're rooting for and who is Belinda?
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: But cal Hockley played by Billy's Andrew makes you think,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: makes you think Billy Zane should have been in this movie.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Alfred Molina could have played the priest Dad no offense
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Peter Coyote, but he's already played. He was a priest
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: in Chuckle Law, so I guess he was like no, wait, no,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: he was the mayor in Chuckle Law. He was a
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: priest in the Da Vinci Code. Back to Da Vinci. Yes,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: oh my god, langdon, langdon. The Da Vinci code is Apple.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Never forget code was the word apple. I'm never I'm
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: never going to get over that. Sorry, Uh Sam? Where
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  Speaker 1: can people follow you online and check out your stuff? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I do live events online events this last year, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, as things start to open, maybe more live
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  Speaker 1: events in New York and l A as it's safe
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  Speaker 1: my shows. My website is naked Comedy dot org. My
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  Speaker 1: Twitter is at Naked Underscore Comedy. My Insta is at
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  Speaker 1: Naked Comedy and yeah, support me if you can. I
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  Speaker 1: try to do inclusive shows of people from all backgrounds.
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  Speaker 1: I try to make sure that my performers are paid,
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  Speaker 1: and I just am a solo entrepreneur trying to make
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  Speaker 1: a modest, very modest living while supporting my fellow comedy friends.
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  Speaker 1: Because comedy inspires me one of the greatest in the game. Also,
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  Speaker 1: to be clear, just to set the record straight, I
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  Speaker 1: named Naked Comedy after Naked Juice, so it's like authentic.
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  Speaker 1: So just so if you're like, who's this naked comedy
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  Speaker 1: chick like criticizing Christianity and talking about being horny, actually
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  Speaker 1: it's not. That's not the vibe of all my stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can find us on mine on all of the platforms,
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter, on Instagram, not on TikTok, and probably never
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok. Honestly, I don't. I used to download another application,
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  Speaker 1: so complan. You can find us on Bechtel Cast on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. You can sign up for our patreon
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  Speaker 1: ak Matreon, in which you will get to bonus episodes
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  Speaker 1: a month for only a mere five dollars, And there's
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  Speaker 1: almost a hundred episodes hanging out there on on the Matreon.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot going on. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: when you guys release a few Matron episodes to the
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  Speaker 1: free feed. I didn't know that that Matreon was primarily
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  Speaker 1: recorded in bed. I feel like that's a big selling point.
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  Speaker 1: I hopefully we can get back. We can get back
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  Speaker 1: there because we it's been a year since we've recorded
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  Speaker 1: Matreons in Caitlymb's bed specifically. Yeah, like you know, we'll
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  Speaker 1: get back. It's been a really long time, but it's
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  Speaker 1: been eighty four years. It's been eighty four years and
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  Speaker 1: we can still smell the fresh paint. Thanks for tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone will be here next week. Bye bye. Yeah