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Can we trust our own memories? | “Remote Contact” interview outtake w/ Lauren Haunts (Monday Bonus) · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  I want to show you something. Are you ready?
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  Yes. Maybe. I got an outtake from the film. It
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  is a Paranormal Lens exclusive. Welcome to our
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  podcast where we take deep dives looking at various
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  topics through a paranormal lens. Okay, so this
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  outtake I want to show you guys. It's a three
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  minute clip and get ready for a mindfuck. Ooh.
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  Okay. Angela's definitely more intrigued in...
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  I'm very intrigued. I mean, I am too, but like...
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  Okay, so to backtrack. Had an incredible interview
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  with Lauren Hans, who built the residence chamber
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  at Madison Seminary, which we filmed inside,
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  and it became a large part of... sort of our
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  track in doing our ongoing experiments that we
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  just released in a film streaming on paraflix
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  called remote contact we were doing these vr
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  experiments doing like ss sessions with a vr
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  headset um and things took a turn because we
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  were already leaning more and more and more into
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  the meditative angle of it that like the ss session
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  the sweeping stations and being in this immersive
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  environment can put someone in a more meditative
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  state to potentially experience more activity
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  and have potentially more heightened or psychic
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  activity, which we were experiencing doing our
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  experiments. So when we arrived at MadCon, because
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  we filmed this whole film at two events over
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  the course of like three weeks, and we arrived
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  at MadCon and I decided, no, I'm going to ditch
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  the Estes method. And instead, do the VR headset,
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  which we go into way more detail in the previous
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  episode. This is a continuation of it. Listen
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  to the previous episode to hear all about the
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  prior experiments and what we're doing and everything.
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  Or watch a film, even better. I decided to ditch
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  the SS session and instead do the VR headset
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  experiment with Lauren's guided meditation. Through
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  the residence chamber at Madison Seminary. So
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  that's where she came into the picture. We had
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  a great interview over Zoom a couple weeks later.
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  Not everything could make it into the film. Of
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  course. Like we said in the last episode, we've
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  tried to keep this as focused as possible without
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  waxing poetry and going off on our typical, you
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  know, existential deep dives into... I mean,
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  that's how we are. But... This had to be focused
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  if we wanted, I think at least, if we wanted
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  as many people to participate as possible and
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  just understand the gist of what we were doing.
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  This could have been a very different film if
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  I included this, and I knew I had to include
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  this. This was like the most, I don't even know.
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  It had me thinking more than anything else in
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  the interview, and I was bummed I couldn't include
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  it, and I knew we had to use it here. It's three
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  minutes long. I'm just going to play it for you
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  guys, and we'll talk about this. lauren haunts
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  we were talking about the residence chamber and
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  this is about to just veer into existential mind
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  territory which we love um the uh part of the
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  interview that you did with her yeah yeah this
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  is part of the interview okay okay our brains
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  will do and and people will they hate they they
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  they will hate when i say things like You could
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  be remembering that in a way that you want to
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  remember it and not how it actually happened.
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  Like our neuroplasticity, our brains will either
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  create a memory or change a memory based on either
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  our personal beliefs, our trauma, even sometimes
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  our preferences. So like if you were at a haunted
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  location, think about your most like visceral
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  paranormal experience. Even if other people were
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  there, that could have not happened. That could
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  have been you wanting that experience so badly
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  that your brain was like, oh, maybe we did have
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  that experience. Okay, let's log that memory.
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  We're good. That's exactly how you remembered
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  it. And I don't talk about this often just because
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  it's such a point of contention for paranormal
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  people. But there is a lot of truth in if you
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  want to experience the paranormal, you will.
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  If you want to experience the paranormal, if
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  you really want to, you will. Or if you really
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  fear it, you're going to experience something
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  that's frightening. Or... If you really feel
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  it, you may never experience something paranormal
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  because your brain inputs a different memory
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  if you see something fucked up. One of the first
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  times that in like my adult life that I hit a
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  deer, I still can try to recall that experience
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  and my brain does not allow me to see it. I can
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  remember seeing the deer the next day on the
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  side of the road. I can remember the police verifying
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  it was a deer. I can remember the fact that there
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  was tufts of fur in the front of my vehicle.
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  But when I actually try to remember it happening,
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  my brain inputs a big, huge piece of sheet metal
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  with rust on it, like floating into the frame.
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  hitting my car, flying up and then just flowing
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  off to the side of the road. And like, that's
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  all I can see. And when I try to say like, no,
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  I know it was a deer. It turns into this like
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  huge, like buck with like a big, big rack. But
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  it was like an adolescent, like it was a small
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  deer. And I have told that story so many times
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  because it was such a, like a brain fuck that
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  I was like, what else am I not remembering? Which
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  is why I now at shows, I bring logs that people
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  can buy. Because I'm like, if you're not writing
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  things down after they happen, not recording
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  them, not videotaping them, writing them down,
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  your experience, your personal experience, and
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  then don't look at it again. And then remind
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  yourself in 30 days to try to recall that and
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  then go back and read it and see if things changed.
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  Huh. I love that. So. Oh, goodness. This is this
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  is why we need. I've been like looking if any
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  of you guys know of a really good like person
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  who makes handmade journals. And I mean, like
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  big fat leather ones, handmade paper. I want
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  a specific vibe. But if I have this, we could
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  write down everything. I'll just I'll be the
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  person bringing this to like everywhere we go.
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  And I'm going to write down everything because.
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  That's such a good idea. Huh. I don't know how
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  to think about that. You know my immediate first
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  thought? I'm going to put the audio of this experience.
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  We already talked about it so many times. We're
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  not going to repeat the whole story again. So
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  I'm going to put the audio of us talking about
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  it from a previous episode for all the listeners
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  that don't know. Madison is another one of those
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  places. We've been investigated three times.
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  Each time something has happened that I didn't
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  think would ever happen. And the second time
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  we were there and it was in the morning. She
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  did a solo and she comes down and, you know,
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  she's just like, oh, the camera died. You know,
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  this camera died. where do i plug it in and then
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  she's like i also don't know how to turn this
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  one off can you turn this one off for me to then
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  charge it you know too because it's getting low
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  battery so i'm like yeah here let me show you
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  how to turn it off right after i turn the camera
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  off right after i turn the camera off to for
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  her to plug it in she starts walking away to
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  plug both cameras into the chargers we hear the
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  loudest woman talking it sounded like it sounded
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  like it was coming from an intercom yeah it sounded
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  like an intercom yeah so that's a weird thing
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  it sounded it sounded like amplified didn't sound
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  like it's coming through a speaker but it sounded
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  like like electronic but not like really electronic
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  it just sounded a little electronic like it was
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  ample just amplified or something it sounded
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  electronic key But wasn't coming from electronic.
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  Exactly. What was the voice? What did it say?
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  Yeah. So it was like further, further into the
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  tone. We needed to establish this. It sounded
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  like an EVP. Yeah. You know, this is weird, but
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  we comprehend EVPs differently than normal human
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  speech. So like on a recorder, if you hear me
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  say, what is your name? We hear that and we.
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  hear it as what is your name then when we hear
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  a ghost talking a spirit voice we all say what
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  did it say did it say this did it say that when
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  this voice came through sounded like it was amplified
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  through an intercom or something electronic without
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  being electronic we all look to each other what
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  did that say we didn't hear it like normal speech
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  you know what i mean but it sounded like it said
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  clear as day i'm here and then something we couldn't
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  make out i thought it said she's coming no no
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  it said i'm here and then i swear it said after
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  that in the prism but it said i'm here and then
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  something we couldn't make out yes yeah we were
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  debating what it what the second part said because
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  we couldn't hear it well because i mean we heard
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  a plane plane planes can be but it we couldn't
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  comprehend it because it was like an evp electronic
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  without being electronic amplified and Out of
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  nowhere. And we had nothing recording to be able
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  to re -listen to it. And then all of a sudden,
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  also, all of the cat balls on the table started
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  going off. Which were off. Which were not on.
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  They were off, yeah. And the EMF meters started
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  going nuts. They turned on by itself. Yeah. Yeah,
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  so the cat balls turned on and started going
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  off. EMF meters started going berserk. Every
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  device. We turned on Spirit Box and tried to
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  record a session. Everything was going off. It
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  was like a surge. And it's the weirdest, I still
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  can hear this voice in my head. It didn't make
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  sense. It was the loudest voice. Yeah, and literally,
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  like, within, I think it was even within two
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  minutes. Within a minute. Within a minute, yeah.
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  Becca had pulled up the driveway, so we ran out.
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  We're just like, is there an intercom in this
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  building? Yeah. Were you, like, telling us that
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  you're here or something? Yeah, like, is there
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  an intercom? Is that kind of what it seemed like?
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  No. Yeah. Because that's what we were thinking.
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  We were like, oh, she just rolled up. There must
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  be an intercom. Maybe she said, I'm here. Maybe
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  we heard her in some way. Maybe her car speaker
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  connected to a Bluetooth speaker in here somewhere.
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  We were thinking of everything. There isn't anything
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  like that in there. And I had Adam check the
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  security camera in there. It was off. completely
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  off not doing anything and doesn't even have
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  a speaker option none of the security cameras
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  in the building have speaker options none of
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  the um point of sales uh you know kind of tablets
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  they had or anything because they have everything
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  in there in storage we looked like the radio
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  we opened every cabinet we could find there was
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  no electronics on or anything that could make
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  that sound anyways but it was literally filled
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  the room It sounded like the loudest disembodied
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  voice. Like in the room. I'm here in the prism.
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  So we're back. I just played them a clip of I'm
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  here in the prism. Oh god. In that clip we just
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  listened to we were even debating what it said.
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  We all heard prism but we didn't hear like we
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  couldn't figure out we're like what did it say
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  i'm here and uh i want you we couldn't figure
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  out yeah yes what if didn't happen or what if
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  it was less significant of a moment than any
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  of us remember to be and us talking about it
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  so many times morph our recollection of that
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  experience and hold it on a higher pedestal than
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  it ought to be because i said That it's the most
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  significant paranormal experience and the only
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  one that I think was a true ghost out of, like,
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  every investigation. And what if there was a
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  perfectly plausible explanation and we all...
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  I don't even know if we all experienced the same
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  thing that I experienced. Well, we definitely
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  all experienced the same thing. Like, we all
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  talked about it. But we still... What if... What
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  have you guys heard? Because we all heard prism,
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  but the first part we couldn't make out. No.
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  Well, no. We all heard I'm here. I'm here. It's
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  the second part that we couldn't decide what
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  it said. You're the one who thought it said in
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  the prism. In the prism. This is only proving
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  the point. This is proving the point. Prism was
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  the clearest part of the whole thing to me. See,
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  that part wasn't clear to the rest of us. Yeah,
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  and that wasn't clear to us. Okay, so this has
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  proven the point. This has proven the point.
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  What if all three of us heard a different phrase
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  being stated then? And just, the more we talk
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  about it, one of us, probably me, said, I'm here
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  in a prism, and we all, like, in hindsight, because
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  there's no documentation of this, was like, yeah,
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  that's totally what it said. What if I was wrong?
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  Well, because, I mean, to me, Like, it makes
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  sense that we didn't really hear all the same
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  thing. Because, like, you said, it sounded digital.
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  And to me, that's like, whenever we're listening
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  to the spirit box out loud, it sounds, you know,
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  distorted. And sometimes when we hear something,
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  we all interpret it differently. So, like, that's
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  how I felt about it. I felt that... we all heard
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  I'm here as clear as day. Yeah. And there was
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  something afterwards that none of us could really
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  make out. And this is the first time I'm learning
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  that Ben, you, you said that like the prism or
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  in the prism or something, whatever, it's the
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  clearest part that you remember. I don't remember
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  that part at all. I don't even remember you saying
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  that in the moment. Like when we all ran out
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  to like, talk to becca about it like we were
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  all like did you announce yourself did you say
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  i'm here did you like call on an intercom or
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  something like because we all heard i'm here
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  and then after the fact now like when we recorded
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  that episode you're like yeah oh i heard in the
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  prism and it's like where did this come from
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  i don't remember this we need to write this stuff
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  down so the first time you need my journal The
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  first film we did after the web series, which
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  was like 200 episodes, and we capped it off with
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  this short film, it kind of focused on this one
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  moment. Neither of you were there for this initial
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  investigation, but you went back later. At Roseburg
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  Park, the most haunted place we've been, there
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  was this moment during this random investigation
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  that wasn't even supposed to happen. We just
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  found a random place because the investigation
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  got canceled. Ended up going back many times
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  with both of you. But during that initial investigation,
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  three things happened at the same time. And of
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  the four people present, none of us experienced
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  the same combination of the three things. I heard
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  a gunshot. Two other people did not hear that
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  gunshot. One other person did. The other person
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  heard the gunshot. Also saw... something, so
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  traumatic that they blacked it out of their mind.
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  They said initially, I saw something, but to
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  this day, if you ask them about it, they can't
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  recall, and they don't even say, I didn't see
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  anything, what are you talking about? And then
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  they got pushed, and I barely caught it on camera,
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  whipping around after running, hearing gunshots,
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  them getting pushed to the ground by an unseen
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  force, and then they had scratches up and down
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  their arm. That person quit investigating for
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  good after that. It was that intense for them.
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  The two other people present, neither of them
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  heard the gunshot like the two of us did. But
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  they saw a face hovering above the person right
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  before they got thrown to the ground. And I,
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  in the moment, this is only like the fourth or
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  fifth investigation or something stupid like
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  that that I ever did. But I had the foresight
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  to say, because they said, I saw something. And
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  I said, stop right there. You said something.
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  Separate and draw, because they're both like
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  artists. Separate and draw. what you saw and
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  they both decided to draw a face and the same
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  exact face so we need to start doing that more
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  of if we hear something we just need to write
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  it down write it down stop write it down compare
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  notes then don't look at it like lauren said
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  and a month later on this podcast or something
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  we'll come together and discuss it and see if
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  our individual recollections match up with each
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  other and our own written account from the moment
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  I like this idea. I like this a lot. Did that
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  even cross your mind when she was talking I'm
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  here in the prism stuff? Where did your mind
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  go, Brie? It didn't really go to any specific
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  instance for me, unfortunately. It was just interesting
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  because I hadn't really heard anything like that
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  before. Yeah. Did it give you a chill? It kind
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  of... It didn't give me a chill, but it gave
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  me like a... It kind of scrambled my brain a
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  little bit. It gave me a chill, yeah. I know.
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  I just don't understand how it was possible.
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  Something so clear, like it was in the room with
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  us. Yeah. i mean the one person who was investigating
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  with us didn't even believe anything happened
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  yeah there was another person in the room that
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  didn't hear anything at all no i don't think
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  they they didn't hear anything they were just
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  like that wasn't anything like they didn't hear
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  words they didn't they're just like that was
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  just like a radio going off or something like
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  that wasn't yeah that didn't happen like that
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  that wasn't anything paranormal Yeah, they're
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  just sitting in the room reading a book and you're
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  like, oh, that was just a radio. That was just
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  your phone. This was the most like prominent
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  action we've had like since being here. And they're
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  like, no, it didn't happen. Like it happened,
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  but that wasn't normal. Nothing like exciting
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  or prominent. Yeah. And that's Madison Seminary.
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  Every time we've investigated it like three and
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  a half times. Every time something insane happens,
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  like, because that will stick with us for the
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  entirety of our investigating. The stuff I filmed
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  in an experience in a residence chamber was certainly
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  one of the most impactful moments investigating.
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  That was the stuff that happened. Watch the film,
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  Remote Contact. It's all in there. I don't want
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  to spoil. I have to be diligent about this stuff
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  to get people to watch it. Like I said in the
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  last episode, if you listen to an hour of us
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  rambling about dumb shit on here, you can really
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  muster up the time to watch a 40 minute film.
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  It's not that deep. There's not that many cheese
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  layers. Not going to get lost in the sauce. It's
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  a straightforward film. Yes. Surprisingly straightforward.
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  Straightforward, but leaves a lot of room for
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  wonder and experimentation. It still gets woo
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  -woo, but not in the woo -woo way you'd expect.
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  Not our normal woo -woo. Not normal woo -woo.
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  I feel like meditation isn't that woo -woo anymore.
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  No, a lot of people do it. Okay, so this will
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  probably be a shorter one. It's just like a bonus
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  episode. I don't know. Final thoughts. I, when
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  I interviewed Lauren and that came up, I don't
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  even know how it came up, but we're just in the
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  flow. You know, unlike this podcast, we're in
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  the flow. And it's when I talk to everyone else
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  that we have a flow. When I talk to you hooligans,
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  there's a. We hooligans. There's no flow to be
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  found, but yeah, I was like this. If. if a different
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  film a different version of remote contact is
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  out there in another dimension where we have
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  this clip in there then it goes into like this
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  little like five minute like little black and
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  white vignette where we reflect on previous experiences
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  at madison seminary in black and white with like
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  contemplative music and then this poem comes
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  on screen and then like we're like is this even
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  arm the memories can the memories even be trusted
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  is this even how we remembered um but none of
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  our memories are real let's just say that i'd
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  be really curious like next time we're doing
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  an investigation somewhere something really crazy
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  happens taking out our journal we're all we're
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  writing our own um thoughts our own opinions
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  about what happened and look at it three days
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  later yep be if it's the same for each of us
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  and when we do look at it we'll do it through
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  a paranormal lens yes you're on the podcast hence
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  the title normal lens let's just cut to the outro
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  thanks for listening to this week's episode of
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  us out to more listeners We appreciate each and
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  every one of you, and we'll see you next Thursday
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  for another paranormal deep dive.