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The Rita Panahi Show | 17 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panahy Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to The Rita Panahy Show. Coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight, Aussies kept in the dark on four major
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Speaker 2: terrorism plots in the past nine months. My panel will
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Speaker 2: cover that and the day's other top headlines. Could the
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Speaker 2: NT supply the entire country with gas for centuries? Professor
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Speaker 2: Ian Plymer will share his thoughts on that. Josh Hammer
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Speaker 2: will have the latest from the US, including the hard
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Speaker 2: left ideologues who want to regulate AI. And more details
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Speaker 2: about the lone holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey Schofield will bring us the details later in the hour.
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Speaker 2: And lefties losing it features Pink Floyd's Roger Waters launching
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Speaker 2: an attack on Ed Sheeran for being apolitical.
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Speaker 3: And there's people, many of them sadly little, excuse me,
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Speaker 3: I nearly used the F word then, pricks like you
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Speaker 3: who do the wrong thing.
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Speaker 2: But first, the public has been kept in the dark
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Speaker 2: on four major terrorism plots which have been foiled by
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Speaker 2: ASIO since the Bondi massacre. That's four major terror plots already.
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Speaker 2: foiled in just nine months and Asia only classifies terrorism
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Speaker 2: plots as major when an attack is imminent or its
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Speaker 2: planning is at an advanced stage. We also didn't know
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Speaker 2: that five males, including three teenagers, have been charged over
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Speaker 2: the disrupted attacks. AGO Director-General Mike Burgess said that Australia's
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Speaker 2: terrorism threat level remained at probable, but the rating does
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Speaker 2: not tell the full story. He also said in a
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Speaker 2: statement last week that Australia's increasingly polarised community was making
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Speaker 2: politically motivated violence more likely. He said the conflict in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East contributed to this, fuelling frustration and anger,
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Speaker 2: as did social media algorithms that amplified and accelerated grievance narratives.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now for more on this is News Corp
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Speaker 2: senior writer Patrick Carlyon and Menzies Research Centre senior fellow
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Speaker 2: Nick Cater. Patrick, why were Australians kept in the dark
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Speaker 2: about these planned attacks?
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Speaker 4: I have no idea. We need to know. We're entitled
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Speaker 4: to know. And, I mean, you talk about four major threats.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think there was 15 or 16 serious
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Speaker 4: threats as well. And we're talking, what, nine months since Bondi.
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Speaker 4: I think the federal government has an obligation to the
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Speaker 4: Australian people to explain what these threats are, how they're
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Speaker 4: dealing with it. whether we should be afraid. I mean,
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Speaker 4: what can be more important than the protection of your
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Speaker 4: own citizens?
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Speaker 2: It does seem we've been kept in the dark, Nick.
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Speaker 2: The ASIO boss, Mike Burgess, has also talked about how
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Speaker 2: his warnings were not given sufficient weight after he raised
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Speaker 2: the threat level to probable back in 2024. Is this
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Speaker 2: a funding issue when it comes to ASIO or is
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Speaker 2: there an ideological issue here, a reluctance to admit that
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Speaker 2: we do have a growing threat that exists inside the country,
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Speaker 2: a domestic threat?
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Speaker 5: Clearly there's a funding issue. No question about that. ASIO
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Speaker 5: and the AFP and the other security organisations have much,
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Speaker 5: much more work to do now to keep on top
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Speaker 5: of these terrorism threats and the number of dubious individuals
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Speaker 5: we have in this country. And there's no indication that
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Speaker 5: the government's taking this at all seriously. I think this
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Speaker 5: really does go to the prime minister. The prime minister
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Speaker 5: seems to show no interest in this topic whatsoever. He
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Speaker 5: only comes to it when he's forced to. His response
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Speaker 5: to the Bondi attack last year, of course, was troubling,
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Speaker 5: to say the least. He just seemed to be... It
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Speaker 5: was just something that had happened. You know, he wasn't
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Speaker 5: going to get terribly involved in it, it seemed to me,
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Speaker 5: at first, until he was forced to. But the prime
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Speaker 5: minister needs to show leadership here because... Ordinary people will
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Speaker 5: be very, very troubled that we had four terrorist threats
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Speaker 5: that were imminent that were prevented. Thank goodness they were prevented.
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Speaker 5: But where was the Prime Minister warning people, reassuring them
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Speaker 5: that the Australian government was doing all it could to
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Speaker 5: protect them? You know, it is just frankly scary that
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Speaker 5: you hear nothing from the government on this topic unless
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Speaker 5: they're forced to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: And we should know where this threat is coming from.
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Speaker 2: Is there an ideology behind it? Is it coming from
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Speaker 2: multiple different sources? Is it a consistent threat from one
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Speaker 2: recognised source? We've just got no idea. So how can
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Speaker 2: we possibly have a debate about this with knowledge of
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Speaker 2: the facts without knowing that? And I do wonder whether
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Speaker 2: that's why this has been kept on the wraps because
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Speaker 2: they think this will incite the sort of debate they
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Speaker 2: don't want to hear.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, absolutely.
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Speaker 4: I mean, as you pointed out in the intro, one
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Speaker 4: of these accused wannabe terrorists is 13 years old. I mean,
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Speaker 4: what's going on? One was 15, one was 16. We
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Speaker 4: need to understand what's going on. I did interview Chrissy Barrett,
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Speaker 4: the head of the AFP, a couple of months ago,
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Speaker 4: and broadly speaking, she said much the same thing. The
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Speaker 4: number and the levels of threats are multiplying for lots
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Speaker 4: and lots of reasons. It's unprecedented, the threats that we
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Speaker 4: face at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Now, Aussie householders are staring down the barrel of three
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Speaker 2: more interest rate hikes and a Possible plunge into recession.
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Speaker 2: The RBA is all but certain to hit Australians with
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Speaker 2: a fourth rate hike this year. At its September 29 meeting,
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Speaker 2: it comes as the International Monetary Fund issued a plea
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Speaker 2: for the Australian government to stop its spending splurge. Nick,
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Speaker 2: the IMF has warned economic growth could fall to 1.6%
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Speaker 2: in 2027 while inflation... remains elevated. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 2: the worst scenario you could think of.
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Speaker 5: You've got a government that just doesn't seem to be fixed,
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Speaker 5: have its mind fixed on inflation. It seems to want
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Speaker 5: to leave the Reserve Bank to do all the work.
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Speaker 5: And in effect, that means making us, you know, people
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Speaker 5: with mortgages do all the work by pushing up interest rates.
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Speaker 5: Government spending, I think Jim Chalmers has reluctantly admitted that
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Speaker 5: government spending might be a little bit to blame for inflation.
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Speaker 5: I tell you what, inflation always begins in Canberra. It
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Speaker 5: begins with government spending. And this government, of course, is
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Speaker 5: spending more than any other government in peacetime. That is
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Speaker 5: feeding through to inflation. And the government has to deal
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Speaker 5: with that at its source, which means some serious pullback
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Speaker 5: on government spending and the number of government employees. That's
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Speaker 5: what's forcing interest rates up. And it's what's causing the
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Speaker 5: pain for households and driving down the property market.
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Speaker 2: Well, the property market is in peril as it is, Patrick.
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Speaker 2: Another interest rate increase is really going to shake the
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Speaker 2: housing sector to its core. It's seeing the sorts of
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Speaker 2: falls we haven't seen in 40 years. And mortgage holders
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Speaker 2: are under enormous duress. I do wonder about what another
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Speaker 2: interest rate increase is going to do, because you look
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Speaker 2: at how many increases we've had, what that means as
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Speaker 2: far as a weekly impost on the household budget, you
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Speaker 2: can understand why people are hurting.
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Speaker 4: Oh, look, people are hurting now. You put up another
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Speaker 4: interest rate rise, they're going to hurt more and put
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Speaker 4: up another one after that. And you've got to look
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Speaker 4: at the reasons why this is happening. I mean, the
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Speaker 4: housing market is in chaos, primarily because of the uncertainty
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Speaker 4: created by the budget tax reforms. You have a government
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Speaker 4: that's sort of playing this parallel narrative at the same time, saying, well,
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Speaker 4: everything's OK, it'll all settle down. You put up interest
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Speaker 4: rates again, it's not going to settle down. It's going
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Speaker 4: to get harder and harder.
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Speaker 2: It is a mess at the moment. Now, Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke unveiled the government's migration plan at the
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Speaker 2: National Press Club today. Labor says it will clamp down
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Speaker 2: on the ability of those on student visas to bring
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Speaker 2: in family members. Of the 337,000 student visas granted last
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Speaker 2: financial year, 46,000 were for spouses and dependents. But have
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Speaker 2: a listen to the minister's claim that the impact of
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Speaker 2: migration on housing is minimal.
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Speaker 6: Housing and the housing shortage we have is not caused
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Speaker 6: by immigration. But immigration needs to be part of the
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Speaker 6: solution for the housing crisis.
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Speaker 2: That's a bit of a word salad there, Patrick. Immigration
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Speaker 2: doesn't cause housing crisis, but it still has to be
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Speaker 2: part of the solution. What did you make of that?
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Speaker 4: Look, that doesn't pass the pub test, does it? I mean,
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Speaker 4: if you have more people in the country, then you
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Speaker 4: need more houses. And that puts pressure on so many levels,
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Speaker 4: you know, for the people who are already here. Of
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Speaker 4: course immigration puts pressure on housing. I mean, it is
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Speaker 4: ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely. And I want to play you a clip
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Speaker 2: from Housing Minister Claire O'Neill, who really struggled on Sunrise
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Speaker 2: when being questioned by Natalie Barr over Labor's damaging policies.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: Low-income young person in our country is half as likely
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Speaker 7: to own their own home.
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Speaker 8: Claire, I have to stop you there. We all know.
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Speaker 9: There's a housing problem. The question here is what we're
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Speaker 9: doing to fix it. And you have builders saying there's
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Speaker 9: weaker traffic through their display homes. There are fewer inquiries.
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Speaker 9: There are fewer people signing up. I want your response
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Speaker 9: to that, please.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: And the answer to that is that there is a
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Speaker 7: lot going on in the housing market at the moment.
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Speaker 7: We've had three... interest rate rises.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 7: And the biggest thing that drives how many homes we
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Speaker 7: build in this country from year to year is actually
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Speaker 7: what goes on with interest rates.
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Speaker 9: Three months on, when all the housing industry people are
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Speaker 9: saying this isn't working, new home sales are tanking, are
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Speaker 9: you sitting back and saying it's not working or are
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Speaker 9: you saying give it time?
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Speaker 7: Well, sorry, Nat, I don't agree with your characterisation of
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Speaker 7: the comments.
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Speaker 8: It's not mine.
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Speaker 7: I don't agree with your characterisation of the comments.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really, it's not a characterisation. It's the statistics.
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Speaker 2: It's indisputable, Nick. Since the budget, we've seen a crash
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Speaker 2: in the housing market. We've seen a crash in new
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Speaker 2: homes being built. We've seen fewer people borrowing to buy property,
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Speaker 2: including fewer first home buyers. And yet you've got Claire
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Speaker 2: O'Neill there seeming to think, well, everything's just going according
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Speaker 2: to plan.
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Speaker 5: Her line is, there's a lot going on in the
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Speaker 5: housing market. Look, I'll stop you right there, Claire. There
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Speaker 5: is nothing going on in the housing market.
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Speaker 1: That's the problem.
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Speaker 5: There are no It would be a buyer's market, except
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Speaker 5: there are no buyers. There is inactivity in the property market.
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Speaker 5: Houses are not moving, or if they are, they're going
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Speaker 5: at much cheaper prices than they were going. And that's
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Speaker 5: your problem. There's not enough turnover in the housing market.
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Speaker 5: That's why investing in new homes is why people can't
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Speaker 5: build new homes right now, because the economics don't stack up.
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Speaker 5: If you've got to sit on that place for a
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Speaker 5: long time, if you're going to be taking less in
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Speaker 5: than you thought you were, Look, they've stuffed this one up,
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Speaker 5: haven't they? When are they going to admit it? We
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Speaker 5: have stuffed up the housing market. We might try something different. But,
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Speaker 5: of course, that's not really Labor's style, is it, these days?
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Speaker 2: It's just the utter denial. I mean, they denied for
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Speaker 2: a long time that they were even crashing the market.
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Speaker 2: Then they pretended that, oh, no, falling prices are a
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Speaker 2: good thing. We should be celebrating Australians going backwards in
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Speaker 2: their net worth. And now they're just pretending... you know,
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Speaker 2: this new data is just a certain characterisation. It's some
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Speaker 2: sort of a narrative that's being pushed as opposed to
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Speaker 2: stats that are not very positive for this country. Now,
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Speaker 2: talking about stats that aren't positive, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has
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Speaker 2: backflipped on the government's approach to forecasting productivity. He has
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Speaker 2: dumped the 20-year average previously used to set productivity forecasts
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Speaker 2: and reverted to the coalition-era 30-year average forecast It means
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Speaker 2: the government will avoid an embarrassing downgrade in its medium-term
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Speaker 2: productivity projections in its upcoming intergenerational report. Treasury forecast productivity
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Speaker 2: to grow by an average of 1.2% over the next
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Speaker 2: four decades, but economists say it will be closer to 0.7%. Nick,
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers wasn't previously a fan of this 30-year average forecast.
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Speaker 2: In fact, he called it rubbish. But now his government
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Speaker 2: is switching to it.
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Speaker 5: Productivity has been pretty much flat, if not going backwards
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Speaker 5: since COVID, right? That's five years. So to predict that
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Speaker 5: it's going to go at 1.2% for the next 40
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Speaker 5: years is plainly absurd. You pluck that figure out of
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Speaker 5: thin air. But that means that the whole intergenerational report
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Speaker 5: is totally meaningless. Because if you can't get productivity right,
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Speaker 5: if you don't factor in the right degree of productivity,
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Speaker 5: you've no idea how how much people will be earning
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Speaker 5: in 40 years' time, how much the government will have
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Speaker 5: been able to pay down debt, if any, whether the
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Speaker 5: government is going to be able to afford health and
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Speaker 5: all the other services that it's offering. You know, with
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Speaker 5: a figure like this just plucked out of thin air...
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Speaker 5: The whole thing is meaningless. And for Jim Chalmers to
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Speaker 5: adopt it just to make him look a little bit
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Speaker 5: better next week, nobody's fooled by this. We all know
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Speaker 5: what productivity is doing. We all know the effects on
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Speaker 5: real wages and standards of living.
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Speaker 2: Patrick, the government's rather optimistic forecast is apparently due to
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Speaker 2: the assumption that AI is going to deliver a massive
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Speaker 2: economic boost for the country. It's a rather... big assumption
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Speaker 2: to make at this point, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, economists say it's probably not going to
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Speaker 4: have a huge impact. Look at the world at the moment.
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Speaker 4: Every country in the world is scrambling to try and
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Speaker 4: get on top of the AI sort of thing in
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Speaker 4: a massive way. In Australia, we want data centres to
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Speaker 4: be run on renewable energy. We've got all sorts of
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Speaker 4: regulations that would make it far less welcoming for these
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Speaker 4: big companies doing the AI thing. to come to Australia.
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Speaker 4: The idea that this is going to fix everything is,
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Speaker 4: at the moment, seems nonsensical.
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Speaker 2: It is. It is, absolutely. And talking about nonsensical, let's
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Speaker 2: check in on the Greens. They posted this video in
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Speaker 2: solidarity with rapper Macklemore, who has been dropped from Ed
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Speaker 2: Sheeran's concert due to his anti-Israel activism. Nick, I think
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Speaker 2: the Greens have too much time on their hands if
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Speaker 2: this is what they're doing as far as their social
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Speaker 2: media output.
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Speaker 5: I'm beginning to feel nostalgic for the days when they
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Speaker 5: just used to hug trees, Rita. I mean, they were
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Speaker 5: sort of harmless then, weren't they? But now, look, they've
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Speaker 5: gone on this anti- Israel line and it is horrible.
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Speaker 5: It is horrible the direction the Greens have taken over
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Speaker 5: Palestine and to support these idiots, you know. Words fail
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Speaker 5: me on this lot.
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Speaker 2: Patrick, if they were supporting an artist who had done blackface,
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Speaker 2: for example, there would be outrage. But Macklemore, Macklemore isn't
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Speaker 2: just someone who gets on stage and says free Palestine.
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Speaker 2: He's dressed up in what... People in the Jewish community
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Speaker 2: consider Jew face with a hooked nose and the hair
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Speaker 2: and really engaged in some ugly activism, it has to
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Speaker 2: be said.
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Speaker 4: Look, the only good thing about that post is no
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Speaker 4: whooshies were in it, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: No, that's a Labor thing.
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Speaker 1: Yes, true.
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Speaker 2: That's Annika Wells' specialty. No whooshies were.
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Speaker 4: Heard in the making of that post. Look, I agree
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Speaker 4: with what Nick was saying. I mean, the Greens coming
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Speaker 4: up to the election, the hateful rhetoric, it really made
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Speaker 4: Jewish people unsafe in Australia. It was reckless, it was
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Speaker 4: irresponsible and ultimately it was infantile. I'd like to think
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Speaker 4: that that's why they tanked in the last election.
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Speaker 2: Patrick Carline, Nick Cater, thank you for your time. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Liberals have promised to construct a pipeline to connect
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Speaker 2: the Beedaloo Basin to homes and businesses in the eastern states.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to Senator Jacinta Nambajimpa-Price and former
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Speaker 2: PM Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 4: The Northern Territory has enough gas to supply the whole
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Speaker 4: of Australia for the next 200 years.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And it's coming out of the Beetaloo as we speak.
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Speaker 2: The problem with that is that we needed to get
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Speaker 2: to the rest of the country. Joining me now is
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Speaker 2: esteemed geologist, author and executive director at Hancock Energy, Professor
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Speaker 2: Ian Plymer. Ian, does the NT have enough gas to
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Speaker 2: supply the whole country for decades, perhaps centuries?
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Speaker 1: Well, it does.
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Speaker 11: And in Australia, we have thousands of years of gas
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Speaker 11: sitting not only in the Beteloo, but sitting in the
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Speaker 11: Bowen Basin, sitting in the Surat Basin, sitting in the
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Speaker 11: Otway Basin of Victoria, sitting in the Gippsland Basin of Victoria,
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Speaker 11: sitting in the Perth Basin. We have thousands of years
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Speaker 11: of gas in this country. However, we have a government
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Speaker 11: that is absolutely hostile to making energy cheap. And that
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Speaker 11: energy could be bought to people and we could have
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Speaker 11: cheap energy, which would then stimulate manufacturing, which would then
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Speaker 11: stimulate employment. We have one state, your state, Rita, that
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Speaker 11: is constitutionally banned fracking and We have old oil fields
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Speaker 11: in Victoria and in Queensland and South Australia, which we
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Speaker 11: could get the remaining gas and oil out of by fracking.
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Speaker 11: We can only do this in the Northern Territory, and
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Speaker 11: it's an absolute shame that we've had a Labour government
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Speaker 11: and very much for a long period of time supported
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Speaker 11: by the Liberals and having an energy policy that was
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Speaker 11: sending this country bankrupt. So that gas needs to be
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Speaker 11: used rather than exporting it. We could bring it to Australia.
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Speaker 11: We have very long pipelines already from Moomba into South Australia,
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Speaker 11: from Moomba into Victoria and from Moomba through Queensland into
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Speaker 11: New South Wales, we already have long pipelines.
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Speaker 1: We have the technology for doing it.
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Speaker 11: We just don't have the will for doing it and
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Speaker 11: we're wasting bucket loads of money subsidising sea breezes and sunbeams,
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Speaker 11: subsidising all sorts of things which are an absolute waste
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Speaker 11: of money. So I think the word beta-loo... From the
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Speaker 11: ancient Aboriginal language, it means wasting taxpayers' money. That's what
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Speaker 11: the word B2B meant in the past. So let's not
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Speaker 11: do it in the future and let's get energy to
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Speaker 11: where we need it.
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Speaker 2: But even talking about utilising this valuable resource has the
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Speaker 2: activist class up in arms. They're warning of a climate bomb.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this piece in the taxpayer-funded
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Speaker 2: The Conversation. It has the headline, Gas from the Beedaloo
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Speaker 2: Basin Will Only Pour Fuel on the Climate Change Fire.
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Speaker 2: And the author, Lily O'Neill, writes, No amount of jobs
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Speaker 2: or money can compensate for this devastating future. By turning
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Speaker 2: on the Bitterloo tap, we risk watching the climate crisis
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Speaker 2: worsen before our very eyes. Very emotive there. Ian, this author,
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Speaker 2: Lily O'Neill, is a Senior Research Fellow for Melbourne Climate Futures,
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Speaker 2: also a legal researcher focused on energy transition, climate repair
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Speaker 2: and environmental regulation. Now you're a leading geologist. I've got
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Speaker 2: to ask for your analysis on what you just heard.
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Speaker 11: Well, I would ask a very simple question of her.
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Speaker 11: Please show me the evidence that human emissions of carbon
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Speaker 11: dioxide drive global warming.
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Speaker 1: It has never been done.
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Speaker 11: And if we could show the evidence, you'd also have
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Speaker 11: to show that the natural emissions, which are 97% of the.
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Speaker 1: Total, don't drive global warming.
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Speaker 11: Now, I've got 4,500 billion years to deal with climate.
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Speaker 11: And we look at past climates when we've had ice
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Speaker 11: ages and the carbon dioxide content was almost 1,000 times
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Speaker 11: higher than now. We could not possibly have carbon dioxide
20:48
Speaker 11: drive global warming if we've got high carbon dioxide atmospheres
20:52
Speaker 11: with glaciation.
20:53
Speaker 12: So.
20:55
Speaker 1: That is demonstrably wrong.
20:57
Speaker 11: And we have never been able to see any evidence
21:01
Speaker 11: that human.
21:02
Speaker 1: Emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming.
21:05
Speaker 11: And if we did have the evidence and if we
21:07
Speaker 11: did have human emissions driving global warming, then it's nothing
21:11
Speaker 11: to worry about because we humans thrive when it's warm
21:14
Speaker 11: and we pop off the perch when it's cold. So
21:17
Speaker 11: we are being fed absolute nonsense. This is costing this
21:20
Speaker 11: country billions. These people don't know elementary science. They don't
21:25
Speaker 11: know about the past. They don't know that we've got
21:28
Speaker 11: cycles of climate, that the best time to be alive is.
21:31
Speaker 1: Now or in the medieval warming. Previous warm times, we
21:34
Speaker 1: died off.
21:35
Speaker 11: That's when that great ball of heat in the sky
21:37
Speaker 11: called the sun wasn't very active. This lady is demonstrating
21:41
Speaker 11: crass ignorance and she is the result of a dumbing
21:44
Speaker 11: down of an education system. She needs to learn a
21:47
Speaker 11: little bit of science and put her activism aside and
21:50
Speaker 11: start to use knowledge and speak the truth.
21:54
Speaker 1: Wow.
21:55
Speaker 2: Okay. You've... Absolutely.
21:59
Speaker 11: Yes.
22:00
Speaker 2: You know what? I'm going to invite her on this
22:02
Speaker 2: program to debate you. And if she's happy to come here,
22:07
Speaker 2: I'm going to give her equal time and equal opportunity
22:11
Speaker 2: to articulate her position. So let's see if she takes
22:14
Speaker 2: up the offer.
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Speaker 1: The invitation is accepted.
22:18
Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll see if she accepts it as well. Now,
22:21
Speaker 2: Google has signed its first nuclear deal outside of the
22:24
Speaker 2: United States. The company will invest at least $ 20 billion
22:28
Speaker 2: in AI infrastructure in Finland. This includes a 22-year purchase
22:34
Speaker 2: agreement for up to 50% of the energy output of
22:37
Speaker 2: one of the country's two nuclear plants. The company will
22:41
Speaker 2: use the power from the plants to power its data centres.
22:45
Speaker 2: I do wonder what that means for Australia with our
22:49
Speaker 2: nuclear ban. Are we going to be left behind in
22:52
Speaker 2: the AI age?
22:53
Speaker 1: Well, of course we are. We're going to miss the boat.
22:56
Speaker 1: We have extraordinary expensive energy.
22:59
Speaker 11: Our energy comes from sunbeams and sea breezes, so you
23:02
Speaker 11: can't run these AI facilities 24-7.
23:05
Speaker 1: You can't run batteries longer than a couple of hours.
23:08
Speaker 11: So where are we going to get the power from
23:09
Speaker 11: and who's going to actually make the financial investment when
23:12
Speaker 11: our energy is far, far more expensive than Finland's? And
23:16
Speaker 11: Finland has recently put in nuclear reactors and they have
23:19
Speaker 11: greatly reduced the cost of energy in Finland. It's no
23:22
Speaker 11: wonder that AI companies are going to a place where
23:25
Speaker 11: the energy is 24-7, 365, where it's cheap and where
23:29
Speaker 11: they've got a receptive government.
23:31
Speaker 1: All we've got with our government.
23:33
Speaker 11: Is saying, oh, we're going to get with the latest
23:35
Speaker 11: AI and they haven't done the simple sums. And that
23:38
Speaker 11: is we don't have the energy at a reasonable cost
23:41
Speaker 11: to run an AI centre. We're a dry continent. We
23:44
Speaker 11: also don't have enough water to cool an AI centre.
23:47
Speaker 11: So these people are saying, look over here, look over here,
23:51
Speaker 11: while our economy is going backwards.
23:53
Speaker 1: That's the game. Look somewhere else.
23:57
Speaker 2: Professor Ian Plymer, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
24:01
Speaker 2: Still to come, lefties losing it past the latest from
24:05
Speaker 2: the US, including the hard left ideologues who want to
24:09
Speaker 2: regulate AI. Josh Hammer is up next. Welcome back. It's
24:22
Speaker 2: time for Lefty's Losing It, and let's start in the
24:26
Speaker 2: great state of Texas and check in on the incredible
24:30
Speaker 2: transformation of Democrat weirdo James Tallarico.
24:34
Speaker 1: God is non-binary.
24:38
Speaker 4: In Genesis 1.26, God speaks of God's self as God.
24:43
Speaker 1: In the plural.
24:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what the man who wants to represent
24:47
Speaker 2: Texas in the Senate said. But then he went through
24:51
Speaker 2: this remarkable transformation.
24:53
Speaker 13: Said there are six biological sexes.
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Speaker 1: Do you still believe that standing here with me right now?
24:59
Speaker 6: No, I've missed the mark on some of my past statements.
25:02
Speaker 1: I will be the first to admit it.
25:04
Speaker 10: What I meant is that there are two sexes and
25:06
Speaker 10: then there's a small percentage of people.
25:08
Speaker 1: With genetic abnormalities.
25:10
Speaker 2: But you can only fake it for so long. Watch
25:13
Speaker 2: here as he does not even hesitate when he's asked
25:17
Speaker 2: who his favorite drag queen is.
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Speaker 7: Who's your favorite drag queen in Texas?
25:21
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, probably Alyssa Edwards.
25:22
Speaker 7: Alyssa Edwards, I love Mikey Mays.
25:24
Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
25:25
Speaker 2: Yep, so relatable. Just the average Texan dude who has
25:29
Speaker 2: a favorite drag queen. Now to Ed Sheeran, who has
25:32
Speaker 2: been the subject of an absolute almighty pile-on after Macklemore
25:38
Speaker 2: was sacked for using Sheeran's stage to preach politics. Here
25:43
Speaker 2: is Pink Floyd's Roger Waters laying the boots into Ed Sheeran.
25:48
Speaker 3: Anyway, Ed, never mind all that. I just have a
25:50
Speaker 3: little message for you. There's two kinds of people in
25:53
Speaker 3: this world. There's people who do the right thing. The
25:57
Speaker 3: rapper Macklemore would be one of those people. And there's people,
26:02
Speaker 3: many of them sadly little, excuse me, I nearly used
26:06
Speaker 3: the F word then, pricks like you who do.
26:09
Speaker 1: The wrong thing.
26:11
Speaker 2: And the latest star to join the pilot against Ed
26:14
Speaker 2: Sheeran for the crime of being apolitical is Wicked star
26:19
Speaker 2: Marissa Bode who had this to say. Ed Sheeran, my
26:22
Speaker 2: legs may not work like they used to be for.
26:24
Speaker 8: But at least I have a f * * *
26:25
Speaker 8: ing line.
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Speaker 14: Free Palestine, b.
26:27
Speaker 12: * * * h.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Article 3 Project Senior Counsel and
26:31
Speaker 2: Shulman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Centre. Josh Hammer,
26:36
Speaker 2: Marisa Bode may feel tough calling Ed Sheeran a B,
26:41
Speaker 2: but she identifies as queer and no amount of saying
26:45
Speaker 2: free Palestine is going to save her if she ever
26:48
Speaker 2: goes to Gaza. The LGBTQIA community isn't exactly welcome there.
26:55
Speaker 14: No, I think that's a bit of an understatement, Rita,
26:57
Speaker 14: as you and I both know from having studied this
26:58
Speaker 14: issue a long time. Look, this whole Macklemore, Ed Sheeran fallout,
27:03
Speaker 14: on the one hand, it makes you want to pull
27:05
Speaker 14: your hair out in angst. On the other hand, it's
27:07
Speaker 14: actually quite delectable because what you see is you see
27:10
Speaker 14: someone who is choosing to politicize an event that clearly
27:14
Speaker 14: should not be politicized. And he is paying a price
27:17
Speaker 14: for it as he should. There's been a lot of
27:19
Speaker 14: chatter here in the United States about the First Amendment
27:21
Speaker 14: and your right to free speech. And as a lawyer,
27:24
Speaker 14: I have some thoughts on that question, as you can
27:25
Speaker 14: probably imagine. Well, it turns out that the First Amendment
27:28
Speaker 14: was written when it comes to the government. So the
27:30
Speaker 14: government here in the United States cannot censor you, cannot
27:33
Speaker 14: abridge your freedom of speech. But it's a very different
27:36
Speaker 14: conversation than talking about a situation like this, where you
27:39
Speaker 14: are warming up for Ed Sheeran, playing in front of
27:41
Speaker 14: massive NFL football stadiums and the like. And these are
27:45
Speaker 14: private property venues. You don't have a First Amendment right
27:49
Speaker 14: to march into MetLife Stadium or Yankee Stadium or or
27:52
Speaker 14: AT & T Stadium, or the Dallas Cowboys player, or
27:54
Speaker 14: anywhere else. You don't have a right to walk in
27:56
Speaker 14: there and to use that platform to shout whatever kind
27:59
Speaker 14: of nonsense you possibly want to shout. But, you know,
28:03
Speaker 14: zooming out a little bit, Rita, my other takeaway on
28:05
Speaker 14: this is that this whole broader topic when it comes
28:08
Speaker 14: to Hamas, when it comes to quote-unquote free Palestine, I
28:11
Speaker 14: can't help but think also about the Lindsay Clancy trial
28:14
Speaker 14: that we just saw, and I'll explain why. Because both
28:17
Speaker 14: of these issues, I think, underscore that there is a
28:19
Speaker 14: growing pro-death situation fetishization cult that is happening in the
28:23
Speaker 14: United States and dare I say throughout the broader West.
28:25
Speaker 14: In the Lindsay Clancy trial, we saw people who were
28:28
Speaker 14: cheering for a woman who literally admitted to murdering her
28:31
Speaker 14: three children. Well, what is quote unquote free Palestine if
28:34
Speaker 14: not one gigantic death cult? So you see this now
28:37
Speaker 14: playing off across all the issues, whether it's late-term abortion,
28:40
Speaker 14: whether it's the assassination culture, the attempts to cheer on
28:45
Speaker 14: the assassination of people like my friend Charlie Kirk, whether
28:48
Speaker 14: it's this free Palestine thing. This is a very, very
28:50
Speaker 14: dastardly rise in a pro-death sentiment rising in America, and
28:55
Speaker 14: we ignore it. I think we're at our grave peril.
28:59
Speaker 2: But what about the argument that Macklemore should be entitled
29:03
Speaker 2: to say what he wants on stage? And if people
29:06
Speaker 2: don't want to hear that, then they can choose not
29:08
Speaker 2: to buy tickets to a concert he's appearing on. The
29:13
Speaker 2: notion that he is a victim of cancel culture, what's
29:16
Speaker 2: your response to that?
29:19
Speaker 14: Yeah, so Rita, I've actually been one of the conservatives
29:21
Speaker 14: on the American right who's been outspoken now saying that
29:24
Speaker 14: I think my fellow conservatives have tended to overplay the
29:28
Speaker 14: whole cancel culture theme for some years now. The reality
29:32
Speaker 14: is that there actually are some individuals and really more specifically,
29:35
Speaker 14: there are some viewpoints that should be canceled. Let's take
29:38
Speaker 14: an even more simple example. Let's say that you are
29:40
Speaker 14: in a school. Let's say that you're teaching history to
29:43
Speaker 14: high schoolers at some elite private school in New York,
29:46
Speaker 14: Los Angeles, or whatever. Well, if you think that America
29:49
Speaker 14: was the bad guy in World War II, you probably
29:52
Speaker 14: should not be teaching history to a bunch of would-be
29:55
Speaker 14: future American leaders. And to say that you shouldn't do that,
29:58
Speaker 14: or to fire a teacher who comes out as a
30:00
Speaker 14: Nazi apologist or an apologist for Imperial Japan or whatever,
30:04
Speaker 14: that's not cancel culture. That's actually just doing the right
30:07
Speaker 14: and correct thing. Now, again, in this case, Macklemore has
30:11
Speaker 14: social media. He can go on Instagram, X, whatever, and
30:14
Speaker 14: say whatever he wants to say. But he doesn't have
30:17
Speaker 14: the right to go into a place like Gillette Stadium,
30:20
Speaker 14: which is owned by Robert Kraft, the owner of the
30:21
Speaker 14: New England Patriots, and to say whatever he wants to say.
30:24
Speaker 14: You can say whatever you want to say on a
30:25
Speaker 14: government sidewalk. It's a very different conversation than saying it
30:28
Speaker 14: in a private venue. So it's a very different way
30:31
Speaker 14: of viewing the issue, I think.
30:33
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And he was the... opening act for Ed Sheeran.
30:38
Speaker 2: So the argument could also be made it wasn't even
30:40
Speaker 2: really his stage. He was taking a much bigger star
30:44
Speaker 2: stage and having the opportunity to speak to stadiums that
30:47
Speaker 2: he would never be able to fill by himself. Now,
30:51
Speaker 2: this is a disturbing report from the New York Post.
30:55
Speaker 2: Anthropics CEO Dario Amode claims he has found an outside
31:01
Speaker 2: team that can regulate AI and make sure it doesn't
31:05
Speaker 2: destroy the world. And have a look at the team.
31:08
Speaker 2: This is just full of hard left ideologues. These are
31:12
Speaker 2: globalists who believe in open borders, genderless pronouns and promote
31:18
Speaker 2: what they call effective altruism. Josh, this looks like a
31:23
Speaker 2: case of the cure being worse than the disease.
31:27
Speaker 14: You know, this whole AI conversation, Rita, is just the
31:30
Speaker 14: most frustrating thing that I have probably seen in years.
31:33
Speaker 14: And I will explain why. Because on the one hand,
31:36
Speaker 14: these AI CEOs are literally the worst salesmen I have
31:41
Speaker 14: ever seen in the history of sales. There literally ought
31:43
Speaker 14: to be a Harvard Business School case study about how
31:46
Speaker 14: to not market and sell your product. You basically have
31:49
Speaker 14: Dario Amadei of Anthropa, who is saying that his product
31:52
Speaker 14: could end humanity. You have Sam Altman of OpenAI saying,
31:56
Speaker 14: who has been described by a former OpenAI board member
32:01
Speaker 14: as being a sociopath who simply does not care about
32:04
Speaker 14: humanity in general. I mean, what these CEOs are basically
32:07
Speaker 14: saying is that our products could literally destroy mankind, and
32:10
Speaker 14: we're definitely going to kill your job, but don't worry,
32:12
Speaker 14: you should totally trust us and do whatever we say,
32:15
Speaker 14: even if we want to now essentially lock in our
32:18
Speaker 14: market share gains and box out competition and essentially engage
32:23
Speaker 14: in regulatory capture. which is what Dario Amadei, Sam Altman,
32:26
Speaker 14: and fortunately Elon Musk have more recently been peddling. On
32:30
Speaker 14: the other hand, what makes this more frustrating is that
32:33
Speaker 14: I think AI is actually important. And I do think
32:36
Speaker 14: that America should have the innovative edge in artificial intelligence. Now,
32:40
Speaker 14: there are a lot of folks here who are apologists
32:42
Speaker 14: for the AI industry. who say, oh, you know, we're
32:44
Speaker 14: in a competition with China. And that's true. I actually
32:46
Speaker 14: accept that talking point to an extent. That's not an end-all, be-all.
32:50
Speaker 14: There are indeed some problems with AI. I have some
32:53
Speaker 14: ethical concerns personally. So our attorney general here in Florida,
32:56
Speaker 14: James Uthmeyer, for instance, is suing Sam Altman and OpenAI
33:00
Speaker 14: because ChatGPT apparently was giving real answers to teenage girls saying,
33:04
Speaker 14: how do I harm myself? That's a very clear example
33:06
Speaker 14: of a terrible thing that should not happen. So there
33:09
Speaker 14: are ethical reasons to be concerned, but that's not a
33:12
Speaker 14: reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. AI,
33:15
Speaker 14: much like the computer, much like the internet, I mean, frankly,
33:18
Speaker 14: much like the light bulb, the steam engine, the printing press,
33:20
Speaker 14: there's a very long line, Rita. of technological advancements going
33:24
Speaker 14: back hundreds and hundreds of years that people were very
33:27
Speaker 14: scared at first, but in the long run ended up
33:29
Speaker 14: benefiting humanity. That's not a reason to not have prudent regulations,
33:33
Speaker 14: prudent guardrails, but I think that the level of hysteria
33:36
Speaker 14: right now is a little over the top. But get
33:39
Speaker 14: back to your question, Dario Amadei and people like him,
33:42
Speaker 14: they are not helping their cause, to put it mildly.
33:46
Speaker 2: No, and the last thing you want is Silicon Valley's
33:51
Speaker 2: worldview imposed on everybody else through AI, because that is
33:55
Speaker 2: a warped way of looking at things. Now, interest rates, Josh,
34:00
Speaker 2: in the US have gone up for the first time
34:01
Speaker 2: in three years, more than three years. The Federal Reserve's
34:05
Speaker 2: decision was unanimous and there could be further increases. Josh,
34:11
Speaker 2: this is not going to please President Trump.
34:15
Speaker 14: No, and Trump actually has already come out swinging. I
34:17
Speaker 14: believe he posted on Truth Social saying that our interest
34:20
Speaker 14: rates should be going down and not up. This is unsurprising.
34:22
Speaker 14: Donald Trump has been a low interest rate, easy money
34:25
Speaker 14: kind of guy for his entire public career. His views
34:29
Speaker 14: on trade deficits and monetary policy have oftentimes... been quite
34:34
Speaker 14: opposite to that of the longstanding Republican conservative establishment here
34:38
Speaker 14: in the United States. Rita, I personally think, for whatever
34:41
Speaker 14: it's worth, that this was the correct decision on the merits.
34:43
Speaker 14: Inflation has been stubbornly high for too long. The Federal
34:46
Speaker 14: Reserve has a 2%. inflation target. We have not seen 2%.
34:50
Speaker 14: I mean, really, I guess, basically since Donald Trump's first presidency,
34:55
Speaker 14: it's been over that in the entirety of the Biden
34:57
Speaker 14: era and the entirety of the second Trump era. Admittedly,
35:00
Speaker 14: the second Trump term has been way lower than the
35:02
Speaker 14: Biden term, but we still are not getting close to
35:04
Speaker 14: that 2% target. Now, a lot of folks say, OK,
35:07
Speaker 14: if you raise interest rates, that could have the effect
35:09
Speaker 14: of chilling the economy. Well, in theory, that's really the
35:12
Speaker 14: role for Congress. That's the role for fiscal policy when
35:14
Speaker 14: it comes to cutting taxes or deregulation or any number
35:17
Speaker 14: of other things that Congress can do to try to
35:19
Speaker 14: jumpstart the economy. There's really only one institution in Washington
35:23
Speaker 14: that has a direct, direct ability to control inflation in
35:27
Speaker 14: the short term. In the long term, Congress can cut deficits,
35:29
Speaker 14: cut the debt. But in the short term, it really
35:31
Speaker 14: does fall on the Federal Reserve to try to get
35:33
Speaker 14: inflation under control. Inflation is the historical great ruler of societies.
35:37
Speaker 14: It is the silent tax that all Americans pay. And
35:40
Speaker 14: maybe I'm crazy, but I haven't had a thing that
35:41
Speaker 14: Kevin Warsh and the Federal Reserve actually did the right
35:43
Speaker 14: thing to say when it comes to the interest rate.
35:46
Speaker 2: Now, before you go, a former Texas Army National Guard
35:51
Speaker 2: soldier calls themselves Chloe Shapiro, a man who identifies as
35:56
Speaker 2: a transgender woman. They've spoken out about the treatment they
36:01
Speaker 2: received after President Donald Trump was elected. And as we know,
36:06
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump promised to ban transgender individuals from serving
36:11
Speaker 2: in the United States military. Have a listen to this.
36:14
Speaker 1: And it was rough.
36:15
Speaker 5: It was scary.
36:16
Speaker 8: You know, there was plenty of nights I've cried.
36:19
Speaker 14: I legitimately, I'm like, I knew my career, you know,
36:23
Speaker 14: my career was over.
36:24
Speaker 5: This was the love.
36:25
Speaker 14: Of my life.
36:27
Speaker 2: Josh, Chloe is launching legal action. The timing of the
36:31
Speaker 2: media coverage is interesting. Is this one of those 80-20
36:36
Speaker 2: issues or could this possibly hurt the GOP leading up
36:40
Speaker 2: to the midterms?
36:41
Speaker 14: So, Rita, every time that a story like this comes
36:43
Speaker 14: across the transom, my first thought is, what is Xi
36:47
Speaker 14: Jinping thinking? Like, literally, what is Xi Jinping and the
36:51
Speaker 14: Chinese Communist Party thinking looking at that video? I mean,
36:55
Speaker 14: he is probably laughing his rear end off for hours
36:59
Speaker 14: on end deep in the heart of the Forbidden City
37:02
Speaker 14: in Beijing. I mean, what an absolute joke America looks
37:05
Speaker 14: like when you have individuals like this who are begging
37:09
Speaker 14: to serve in the military and apparently, as you mentioned,
37:12
Speaker 14: are considering a lawsuit to try to get back into
37:16
Speaker 14: the military. It's absolutely gone. The military has literally one purpose.
37:21
Speaker 14: There is one purpose of the United States military, to
37:24
Speaker 14: be the most lethal and efficient killing machine in the
37:28
Speaker 14: history of killing machines. That's essentially all it is. And
37:32
Speaker 14: anything that ever undermines that goal should be shelved aside
37:38
Speaker 14: to the exclusion so we can actually focus on the
37:40
Speaker 14: one goal. There have been any number of policies over
37:43
Speaker 14: the past 10, 15 years going back to the Obama
37:46
Speaker 14: administration that have tended to undermine that one goal. So
37:49
Speaker 14: for instance, Barack Obama tended to undermine the rules of engagement.
37:53
Speaker 14: He actually also repealed Bill Clinton's don't ask, don't tell policy, which,
37:56
Speaker 14: if I'm being honest, I thought it was actually a
37:58
Speaker 14: perfectly reasonable policy, given the fact that, again, the Army
38:01
Speaker 14: is not there for social experimentation. It's just there to
38:03
Speaker 14: be a lethal, inefficient killing machine. But, I mean, this,
38:06
Speaker 14: I mean, what a joke. I mean, what an absolute
38:08
Speaker 14: horrific joke. And on the merits, on the actual politics
38:11
Speaker 14: of it, yes, this is an 80-20. It's probably even
38:13
Speaker 14: a 90-10 issue. I mean, the transgender stuff does not
38:16
Speaker 14: play well with Americans in general, and it definitely does
38:18
Speaker 14: not play well, Rita, when you're talking about the military,
38:20
Speaker 14: for heaven's sake.
38:23
Speaker 2: It doesn't, and yet the Democrats cannot let go of it.
38:27
Speaker 2: They're still clinging on to it, except I did see
38:29
Speaker 2: Tallarico in Texas. He did a massive backflip saying that
38:35
Speaker 2: there are two genders now. He previously had all other
38:40
Speaker 2: numbers that he was quoting, but he seems to have
38:44
Speaker 2: had a lightbulb moment. Josh, are you buying that?
38:50
Speaker 14: Uh, no, I'm not buying that. In fact, actually, after
38:54
Speaker 14: Talrico said that read, I don't know if you caught this.
38:56
Speaker 14: He was actually asked to interview who his favorite drag
38:59
Speaker 14: queen performer is. And he had an answer. He answered,
39:02
Speaker 14: he answered, he answered like within like a millisecond.
39:05
Speaker 15: Yeah.
39:05
Speaker 14: Like, like he had an answer ready to go. He
39:07
Speaker 14: literally knew his favorite drag queen performer better than he
39:10
Speaker 14: probably knows his own tax plans like that, which says
39:13
Speaker 14: all you need to know about the absolute fraud that
39:14
Speaker 14: is James Talrico.
39:17
Speaker 2: Josh, thank you for your time.
39:19
Speaker 14: Really appreciate it.
39:21
Speaker 2: Still to come, more details about the lone holdout juror
39:24
Speaker 2: in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial. Kinsey Schofield has the details.
39:37
Speaker 2: Welcome back. And we have finally heard from the lone juror,
39:42
Speaker 2: the holdout juror who held the line to ensure a
39:45
Speaker 2: mistrial in to ensure Lindsay Clancy did not get away
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Speaker 2: with murdering three helpless children. In the past week, we've
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Speaker 2: heard plenty from the other jurors. They have demonstrated beyond
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Speaker 2: any doubt that they did not assess this case on
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Speaker 2: its merits. They acted like leftist activists who wanted to
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Speaker 2: use this trial, use the brutal murder of three children,
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Speaker 2: to make a political statement about making things better for women.
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Speaker 8: We knew.
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Speaker 13: that this was a turning point and this would be
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Speaker 13: something that could change something to make it better for
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Speaker 13: other women in the future, for other families. You know,
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Speaker 13: justice for those children is this never happening again.
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Speaker 2: No, justice for those three children would be a jury
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Speaker 2: with a decency and honesty to actually consider the evidence
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Speaker 2: to hold the person who took their lives in horrific
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Speaker 2: fashion responsible. And now we learn from the holdout juror
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Speaker 2: that the bulk of this jury had made up their
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Speaker 2: mind on day one. They had made up their mind
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Speaker 2: on day one to acquit. Fugitive TV host Ray Marcel
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Speaker 2: says he spoke with the holdout juror, the lone person
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Speaker 2: of colour. Let's hear what he had to say.
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Speaker 10: He said that from day one, he said eight of them,
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Speaker 10: were going for Lindsey Clancy, not guilty. That was on
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Speaker 10: day one. And then on, and eight were going not guilty.
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Speaker 10: Two were for guilty. And two didn't know. They didn't
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Speaker 10: make up their mind. Now that was on day one.
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Speaker 10: He told me that the eight that on day one
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Speaker 10: were going for a Lindsey, not guilty. He said to him,
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Speaker 10: those eight felt, he felt like they were activists. He
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Speaker 10: felt like they were activists is what he told me.
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Speaker 10: And every day he said they would vote. Every day
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Speaker 10: they would vote. He said the eight that felt that
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Speaker 10: Lindsay was not guilty were trying to convince the other four, hey,
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Speaker 10: Lindsay's not guilty. They were doing their best to convince.
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Speaker 2: That's accurate. Then this is an even bigger miscarriage of
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Speaker 2: justice than we first thought. And that meant that lone
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Speaker 2: juror is an even bigger American hero. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: is the host of the Kinsey Schofield Unfiltered podcast, Kinsey.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of these latest revelations?
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Speaker 8: Well, they're pretty frightening.
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Speaker 15: I mean, if this account is true, it completely changes
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Speaker 15: the conversation we've been having about the holdout juror. We
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Speaker 15: spent the last week hearing that he was unreasonable, that
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Speaker 15: he wouldn't listen.
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Speaker 8: He was the problem.
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Speaker 15: Now he says eight jurors walked into deliberations essentially wanting
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Speaker 15: the acquittal from the start. A jury isn't supposed to
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Speaker 15: be a focus group for social reform. You're not there
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Speaker 15: to fix the mental health system. You're not there to
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Speaker 15: make a statement about motherhood. You're there to consider the
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Speaker 15: evidence and apply the law. Three little children were killed.
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Speaker 15: Those babies deserve to remain at the center of the story.
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Speaker 2: And CBS has teased its interview with Patrick Clancy. Let's
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Speaker 2: have a look.
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Speaker 1: We're ready?
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Speaker 6: We're good?
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Speaker 1: We're rolling. We're rolling.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey, Patrick Clancy, the father of those children, has been
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Speaker 2: terribly maligned. He's been called a monster. He's been called
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Speaker 2: a murderer. He has been defamed over and over again.
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Speaker 2: And just a multitude of women, including some high-profile women,
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Speaker 2: have openly blamed him for this triple murder.
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Speaker 8: It's horrendous. I mean, he lost all three of his children.
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Speaker 15: Then somehow the Internet decided that wasn't horrific enough and
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Speaker 15: started inventing conspiracy theories about him. There's absolutely no evidence
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Speaker 15: that Patrick murdered his children. In fact, you know, his ex-wife,
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Speaker 15: she admits to it. He came home and discovered something unimaginable.
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Speaker 15: You can debate his testimony. You can debate his continued
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Speaker 15: compassion for his ex-wife. But blaming a grieving father for
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Speaker 15: murders he didn't commit is grotesque. And sometimes the internet
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Speaker 15: desperately needs a reality check.
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Speaker 2: And the likes of Lisa Renner, actress Lisa Renner, who
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Speaker 2: has repeatedly posted online accusing Patrick Clancy of murder. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that to me is incredible that you could be so
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Speaker 2: idiotic because that's a straight out defamation case right there
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Speaker 2: if he chooses to pursue that. Kinsey, let's turn our
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Speaker 2: attention to the royals and Buckingham Palace has responded to
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Speaker 2: allegations that Prince Charles had pent up contempt for Diana
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Speaker 2: following her tragic death. Charles Spencer, Diana's brother, has revealed
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Speaker 2: in his forthcoming memoir that Charles allegedly told him that
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Speaker 2: the princess would be forgotten soon enough after her death.
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Speaker 2: A Buckingham Palace spokesman has released a statement saying... While
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Speaker 2: we do not comment on books as a matter of principle,
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Speaker 2: His Majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief
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Speaker 2: can cloud reason, affect judgment and colour memory in ways
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Speaker 2: others do not recognise, even many years after such a loss.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey Page Six is reporting that Prince Harry was made
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Speaker 2: aware of his uncle's claims ahead of this upcoming publication.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that inevitably raises the question, how does Harry feel
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Speaker 15: about it? Because Harry spent years publicly talking about the
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Speaker 15: trauma surrounding his mother's death. He also has written very
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Speaker 15: candidly about his father. But this is a serious allegation
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Speaker 15: about King Charles made nearly 30 years after the fact
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Speaker 15: at a time when the king is living and fighting cancer.
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Speaker 8: He's living with cancer. He's fighting. And if Harry knew
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Speaker 8: this was.
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Speaker 15: Coming and had concerns about it, Apparently those concerns weren't
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Speaker 15: enough to stop his uncle from publishing it. And if
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Speaker 15: he didn't have concerns about it, that's interesting too. And
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Speaker 15: Harry's supposedly trying to rebuild a relationship with his father.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be very interesting how he approaches it
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Speaker 2: in the media, whether he, whatever he feels is going
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Speaker 2: to keep that to himself or whether he's going to
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Speaker 2: release a statement, do a podcast or do another reality show.
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Speaker 2: God knows what's going to happen with those two. And
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Harry and Meghan because
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Speaker 2: we've spoken about their children being pulled from school within
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Speaker 2: a couple of days over security fears. And it's now
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Speaker 2: been revealed that the Duchess of Sussex's phone number was
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Speaker 2: leaked in a WhatsApp chat for school parents. Her phone
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Speaker 2: number was allegedly shared multiple times. Kinsey, what evidence is
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Speaker 2: there of this breach of privacy?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, there does appear to have been a genuine privacy breach.
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Speaker 15: A screenshot from the parents WhatsApp group chat has circulated
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Speaker 15: outside of the group and exposed the phone number associated
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Speaker 15: with Megan. I mean, joining the parents WhatsApp group is
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Speaker 15: a completely normal mom thing to do.
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Speaker 8: But what an introduction to the British school system. Two
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Speaker 8: days later. at one school, security convoy chaos.
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Speaker 15: A new school and now Meghan's phone number is circulating
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Speaker 15: all over the internet. At this rate, Archie and Lily
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Speaker 15: are going to need their own crisis management team before
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Speaker 15: half term.
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Speaker 2: Now I've been waiting to speak to you about this
47:23
Speaker 2: next story. Tom Cruise has been unveiled as GQ's October
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Speaker 2: cover star. It's been 20 years since the actor last
47:32
Speaker 2: appeared on the cover. And he also sat down with
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Speaker 2: the magazine to speak about some of his dangerous, dangerous stunts.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think you could look at my life and go,
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Speaker 12: I like standing on the edge of a cliff, physically
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Speaker 12: and metaphorically, meaning I look at life as an adventure.
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Speaker 3: And I always have.
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Speaker 12: I want to understand people. I want to understand life
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Speaker 12: and cultures. And if I wonder what are those people,
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Speaker 12: how do they feel? Do they think the way I do?
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Speaker 12: Do they laugh at the same thing? How do I
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Speaker 12: connect with them?
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Speaker 2: Kinsey, you've got to say he's looking pretty incredible for 64.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, apparently the real Mission Impossible is aging.
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Speaker 8: Forget the stunts at 64. Taking your shirt off for
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Speaker 8: GQ is the stunt. He looks better at 64 than
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Speaker 8: most men look. in their eight year olds, um, hinge.
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Speaker 15: Profile photo, you know, I think so much of his
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Speaker 15: outsides are a reflection of his insides. And he seems
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Speaker 15: like a genuinely grateful human that constantly focuses on the positive.
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Speaker 15: You just saw an example of that in that interview.
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Speaker 15: And I do think that that's why he radiates that
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Speaker 15: joyfulness and that peacefulness on the outside.
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Speaker 2: Now, before you go, Travis Kelsey has been named as
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Speaker 2: a victim in a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme. Illegal immigrant
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Speaker 2: Siddharth Jawahar pleaded guilty to three counts of wire fraud
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Speaker 2: and has been sentenced to 11 years behind bars. Prosecutors
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Speaker 2: say he collected more than $ 35 million from investors and
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Speaker 2: used some of the money to repay earlier clients and
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Speaker 2: fund luxury expenses. Kinsey, do we know how much Travis
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Speaker 2: Kelsey lost?
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Speaker 8: We don't know how much he lost because prosecutors haven't disclosed.
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Speaker 15: That. Maybe they will potentially in the future, but apparently
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Speaker 15: even marrying Taylor Swift doesn't protect you from bad financial advice.
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Speaker 8: $ 35 million went into this scheme. Only about $ 10 million.
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Speaker 15: Was actually invested. The Taylor writes songs about red flags.
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Speaker 15: It's time for Travis to start listening to them.
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Speaker 2: Good advice there, Kinsey Schofield. Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: And that's all the time we have. Late Edition is
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Speaker 2: up next. Good night.